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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re[2]: [OT]crackers on the prowl in India
by Nikhil Karkera 12 Jul '02

12 Jul '02

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 Vinay Pai wrote : > > "I'll not call crackers hackers again" >all puristic abt the whole hacker/cracker thing. Words in >spoken >languages mean whatever a majority (in fact any sufficiently >large >group) of ppl say... and like it or not, to a majority of people >a >hacker is the same as what the purists insist muct be called a >"cracker". Haven't Hindi words like jungle, guru, mantra etc. >have been >accepted as legitimate english words bcos so many >english-speaking >folks use them? > >Shouldn't the age-old "adapt or die" maxim apply here too? I agree. The media will continue to refer to 'crackers' as 'hackers'. That's the language their readers understand. Then more people will start (mis)calling crackers as hackers. It's a cumulative effect. <flame-proof> I understand a hacker's sentiments about this, but wouldn't it be easier for hackers to call themselves something else? </flame-proof> Warm Regards, Nikhil. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Checkpoint Vs Cisco Vs Astaro
by Poonam P 12 Jul '02

12 Jul '02

Hello, This is a late response to the previous thread on checkpoint, where it was mentioned that Cisco was #1 followed by Checkpoint.... but I thaught otheriwse.. Who is market leader Checkpoint or Cisco ?? How is Astaro, has anybody heard of this FW, how good is it... when compared to Checkpoint & Cisco. Persoanl views please... & pls do not get into any arguments. thanks Poonam. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Yahoo Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ny OBJECTIONS to settin up groupware on this domain...
by Amol Hatwar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

> If ny1 has ny objections/suggestions towards settin ^^^^^^^^^^ what objections? It's high time we got the job done Trevor. Thanks for takin out time :) -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Userfriendly
by Suhit Kelkar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

I agree with Mr Pathak. We use Windows as the frame of reference as to userfriendliness. _But_ forcing customers to upgrade to newer versions of office suites by making newer versions incompatible with older ones is not userfriendliness. Setting standards and then exploiting them is not userfriendliness either. Stifling competitors by withholding technologies from the market restricts your choice and is most unfriendly. I started off with Windows. Suhit Kelkar -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] squid (sun cache raq) problem
by Amol Hatwar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 Hiten Desai wrote : >Hi! >My ISP is giving me old stale files >every time with his sun cache raq >is there anyway to detect it >(wht is the ip of cache raq) >is there anyway to bypass it ?? >or chocke it up >so that he removes it ?? >or just bypass it most of the times > >Thanks > >Hiten. you ISP seems to have a bad cachin policy *this is serious stuff* mail this to your ISP instead. I don't think there's much you can do except that. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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[amitk@**********.edu: [LIP]Linux advanced programming book]
by Ravindra Jaju 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

This might be useful! -- jaju

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KDE3 help
by Sachin 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

hi there i have tried to install KDE3 from the rpms that KDE site has given on their site but it gives dependacy problem can any body suggest me what rpm(s) needed to solve this dependacy problem. thanx in advance sachin ------------------------OUTPUT of -[#rpm -Uvh *.rpm] --------------------- /etc/X11/xdm/Xwilling is needed by kdebase-3.0.0-2 Xconfigurator < 4.9.42-1 conflicts with hwdata-0.9-1 gimp >= 1.2 is needed by kdesdk-gimp-3.0.0-2 initscripts <= 5.30-1 conflicts with chkconfig-1.3.4-1 kdemultimedia is needed by autorun-2.61-1 libXft.so.1 is needed by PyQt-3.1-1 libXrender.so.1 is needed by PyQt-3.1-1 libcrypto.so.2 is needed by PyQt-3.1-1 libfreetype.so.6 is needed by PyQt-3.1-1 libgtkembedmoz.so is needed by kdebindings-kmozilla-3.0.0-1 libgtksuperwin.so is needed by kdebindings-kmozilla-3.0.0-1 libk5crypto.so.3 is needed by qt-PostgreSQL-3.0.3-5 libkrb5.so.3 is needed by qt-PostgreSQL-3.0.3-5 liblber.so.2 is needed by kdebase-3.0.0-2 libldap.so.2 is needed by kdebase-3.0.0-2 libnspr4.so is needed by kdebindings-kmozilla-3.0.0-1 libodbc.so.1 is needed by qt-ODBC-3.0.3-5 libpisock.so.4 is needed by kdepim-pilot-3.0.0-1 libplc4.so is needed by kdebindings-kmozilla-3.0.0-1 libplds4.so is needed by kdebindings-kmozilla-3.0.0-1 libpq.so.2 is needed by qt-PostgreSQL-3.0.3-5 librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by kdeadmin-3.0.0-2 librpmbuild-4.0.4.so is needed by kdeadmin-3.0.0-2 libsane.so.1 is needed by libkscan-3.0.0-3 libsasl.so.7 is needed by kdebase-3.0.0-2 libssl.so.2 is needed by PyQt-3.1-1 mozilla is needed by kdebindings-kmozilla-3.0.0-1 openssh-clients is needed by kdessh-3.0.0-1 openssl is needed by kde2-compat-2.2.2-1 pcre-devel is needed by kdelibs-devel-3.0.0-4 pkgconfig is needed by gphoto2-devel-2.0-2 sane-backends is needed by kooka-3.0.0-3 sane-backends is needed by libkscan-3.0.0-3 timidity++ is needed by kmidi-3.0.0-1 -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= sachin(a)mediaibc.com MediaIBC ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= Eighty percent of married men cheat in America. The rest cheat in Europe. -- Jackie Mason ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

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Mozilla tweaks, anyone?
by Tahir Hashmi 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

Hi folks! Could anyone give me some tips on how to tweak mozilla to respond faster? Since I have lots of RAM, I'm ok if some processes stay in the background eating up memory. Galeon has this nice option of starting it in 'server mode' that can be started up at login but it's pretty light-weight so it doesn't make much of a difference. Is there something in mozilla like this? Atleast mozilla --help didn't show it. TIA -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Samba Printer Setup Problem
by Rupesh 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

I am using Redhat 7.2 and I have configured Samba 2.2.5-1. I my Network Places, I am able to view my Linux Server and access my shared directories, here I get the option of Printers and Faxes, when I try to Add Printer I get the following error message. " You dont have sufficient privileges a add a printer on "\\SambaServer". Do you want to run this command as a different user? " What could be the reason for this error message, though I am able to access the shared directories on SambaServer from my Network Places. TIA. -Rupesh

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Linux in Marathi
by jitendra 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

If any ILUG-BOM members are interested , they may join a meeting on Saturday at IIT where some are meeting. This is in response to an appeal made in ArthVrittant article on Stallman, by Anil Shaligram on 18 March issue of Loksatta. Some of the ideas that came up while thinking about Marathi Linux There are 3 levels of work in Marathi-isation 1> Applications like office software: Free softwares like a>StarOffice , which are quite a good substitute for MS-Office and available in Linux : b> GIS softwares like GRASS or MYWorld useful for urgent problms like water and environment c> educational softwares Like LOGO, STARLOGO, Model-It, Worldwatcher, DrGenius We need to translate the labels and messages and documentations and tutorials, multi-lingual CDs with multimedia. 2>Creating application in Marathi: Using gtk, glade emacs etc. 3> Working at the OS level : Creating labels/message table in marathi. NCST has already done a large part for Hindi, some in Marathi too. We also need to create mass awereness thru newspaper article in all the press. We should ask our local cybercafe to have marathi software loaded. AKRUTI have agrred to support anyone helping. Similarly other Marathi and Indian language developers can be asked to make offers. This would make the idea of working in Indian language a day-to-day affair without too much cost. jitendra For details contact jitendras(a)vsnl.com

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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Userfriendly
by Amol Hatwar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 Philip S Tellis wrote : >On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > > > If you put linux on a pc, properly installed and setup, a >normal (non > > geek / non techie ?) user will not have problems with it. *snip* Perhaps you missed my point, I repeat Windows _is_ user friendly because it is usable. I couldn't adapt to a Mandrake distro from RHL myself. -AH. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re[2]: [OT]crackers on the prowl in India
by Vinay Pai 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

> "I'll not call crackers hackers again" Call me a heretic... but IMHO its rather silly how ppl try to get all puristic abt the whole hacker/cracker thing. Words in spoken languages mean whatever a majority (in fact any sufficiently large group) of ppl say... and like it or not, to a majority of people a hacker is the same as what the purists insist muct be called a "cracker". Haven't Hindi words like jungle, guru, mantra etc. have been accepted as legitimate english words bcos so many english-speaking folks use them? Shouldn't the age-old "adapt or die" maxim apply here too?

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Tips and tricks: learn GNU/Linux through one-stanza trails
by Frederick Noronha 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

TIPS AND TRICKS: LEARN GNU/LINUX THROUGH ONE-STANZA TRAILS By Frederick Noronha YOU NEED not get lost while finding your way through GNU/Linux, the alternative computer operating system that started off with a rather geeky air about it. Because of its rather-techie reputation, some still look at this OS with trepidation. But that not be so, says a network started from India and aptly called LOST. LOST, short for Linux One Stanza Tip, tries to make it easier for newbies and techies alike to find their way more easily through the maze of secrets that this powerful -- but still little difficult-to-get-started-on -- operating system holds out. Explains one founder-member, Suresh Ramasubramanian: "It started when (one of the key persons) U.S.M. Bish had this great idea. FAQs or frequently-asked questions are asked and repeated so many times. Several people anyway don't really bother to google (i.e. simply visit the search-engine www.google.com), or go to a web-page-based FAQs. They expect answers by e-mail." This team of Indian geeks wanting to 'spread the word' and ensure a faster learning-curve for GNU/Linux came up with an idea. Their solution was to start slipping a FAQ into the e-mail signature -- randomized so that a new, short GNU/Linux tip turns up each time. This, in short, resulted in LOST, or Linux One Stanza Tip. Says Bish, with a touch of irony, while explaining the origins: "This herring got caught spontaneously, while we were fishing for trout!" Thing began sometime in July 2001 on the Linux-India-Help mailing list. This list is part of the Linux-India network, that was set up by volunteers within India and abroad, and aims to help promote the 'free software' GNU/Linux operating system within this part of South Asia. There was a long thread (or discussion, going by slang used on electronic mailing-lists) on "finger-holding" for newbies. Egged on, a few LOST promoters decided to put some common queries that crop up "time and time again" into small "HOWTO" documents. (HOWTOs explain just what their name says, how-to do certain technical tasks with GNU/Linux.) They then felt the need to make these available via some Internet server, so that they could be pointed to a common resource. To start, the team consisted of Suresh "SRS" Ramasubramanian <mallet(a)efn.org>, Rajesh Fowkar <rfowkar(a)goatelecom.com>, Sriram Karra <karra(a)cs.utah.edu> and USM Bish <usmbish(a)hclinfinet.com> Initially, they would simply 'copy' their e-mail to each other. But, as the volume increased SRS setup a "howtos" mailing list up in August 2001. "We were first writing documents, which could help newbies with their trials and tribulations with Linux. We still are at the job, and we look at each others contributions for refinements and additions ... more heads the better. Soon other folk joined in. Howtos, though on a low key, is still progressing. It is the trout that we are still fishing for," says Bish. Writing long documents, which were put up on sites, didn't really help much. Bish recalls reading that readership of email 'sigs' (the few lines tucked at the end of every e-mail message) was about 80% whereas all other forms put together inclusive of banner ads, site-info ... and spam accounted for the rest. So he floated this idea of using short info-containing 'sigs' of howtos to disseminate Linux related knowledge. "This in education parlance is called passive dissemination of Info", says Bish. Just for some background: GNU/Linux is a computer operating system that is gaining growing acceptance in a country like India, which has considerable software skills but ironically can't afford the comparatively unreal prices of much of the proprietorial software put out in the global market. After the operating system was put together in the 'early nineties, it first trickled into this country. Then, in 1997, the Internet opened up to the commonman, making it possible for collaboration across the country, and for the speedier dissemination of information. In between, prominent mainstream Indian computer magazines like 'PC-Quest' pushed GNU/Linux forward by circulating tens of thousands of copies of this computer operating system via CDs. They continue putting out tens of thousands of GNU/Linux copies into the hands of eager computer enthusiasts, as do magazines like 'DeveloperIQ' and 'Digit' (formerly 'Chip'). Now, the circle seems to be getting complete: early adopters of GNU/Linux are showing signs of passing on skills to new-users. Bish says he would perhaps be amongst the first users of GNU/Linux (since '95) in India, and had quite a few hints and tips collected over the years. "It was a matter of putting a few samples for perusal, then some brain-storming on the "howtos", and to get the catch-word LOST (Linux-One-Stanza-Tips). It also took a bit more effort to get the format together. Then we were on the road. By the time LOST was put up for the first time in September 2001, we were about a dozen folk (working on the) howtos," he recalls. The first LOST tips were put up on Bish's home page, along with the other documents that he wrote (like the HDI -- How Do I -- series). This is at: http://geocities.com/usmbish/ The first few were posted on LIH (the Linux-India Help mailing list), and it caught the attention of people on the list. Contributions started coming in. "We did not publicize over other lists because there was much more work to be done before we could actually call it a project to be proud of," says Bish. The tips were getting ready -- or would accumulate gradually. But implementation was a different ball game altogether. It was possible to use random signature-generating software like 'fortune' or 'randsig' for LOST sigs. But the team felt the need to develop something so that signature placement would be by choice -- either a LOST tip or some other sig. Bish started writing the script rotator, and then gen-sig. These are bash scripts only, but did the job fine. Its fans say 'rotator' is arguably among the most versatile signature rotation software on the Net. It caters for signatures from multiple sig sets, PGP/gnupg and reserved signature placement. It also allows for sigs from databases like LOST, that could be fixed or random. There were other scripts needed too. This was needed for the manipulation of LOST snippets to other formats. Binand wrote the script "lgrep" to search for LOSTs by keywords, Sriram has been writing an elisp script for interfacing with emacs. Sayamindu wrote a PHP script to place random LOSTs on web pages, which is working on his home page. Once set in motion, things continued. It was at this stage in Oct-Nov 2001 that LOSTs started taking the shape of a project. By December 2001, the project was accepted by Sourceforge. On New Year's Day 2002, Bish put up the first tarball on lost.sourceforge.net, and by January 15, 2002, an announcement was made on Linux-India-Help. Then, the number of snippets had swelled to 250, from the original 50 that was first put up on the home page in September 2001. Currently, the number of LOST tips has crossed 300. There are nine 'scripts' up too. Over time, this number is expected to grow. Help is welcome from everywhere. "It is a good idea, sort of. It can take contributions from almost anybody, can be used by almost anybody. It kind of gives people a short, nice-to-know tip -- like the tips that pop up in KDE or other applications on startup," says Suresh. This comes to you, of course, via email. You end up feeling grateful, say, to Rajesh Fowkar of Goa, when an email sent on some other subject also contains a useful tip sent out from one GNU/Linux enthusiast to another. How do LOSTs look like? Here, for instance, is one tip that comes from Rahul Torvi: ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Command line shortcuts (clear) LOST #310 Tired of typing in "clear" every time you want the screen to be cleared ? Press [Ctrl-L] ... This works for most shells, (except for ash, bsh and ksh) ####<rtorvi(a)vsnl.net>######################################### Most of the participation in LOST currently comes from India. By some coincidence, and because it originated there, those pushing the list forward are regulars from Linux India Help. "People like Bish, Rajesh Fowkar, Binand Raj, Dileep Kumar (MDK), etc. I haven't contributed more than two or three LOSTs -- I just host the mailing list for LOST," says Suresh. He gives full credit to "Bish's fertile brain" for originating the idea. Like many other 'free software' GNU/Linux projects, it grew through word-of-mouth. Goa-based Rajesh Fowkar disagrees. Says he: "Suresh's contribution is next best only to Bish's." Like in many volunteer-driven projects evolving in the GNU/Linux spirit, the fight is not so much to gain credit at the individual level, but to spread the benefits around generously and appreciate each other's contribution. Suresh suggests that a project like this has far greater potential than currently met. His strategy: expand it as far as possible, submit it to Freshmeat (the site freshmeat.net that announces new GNU/Linux projects) so that more people get a look at it, and want to participate." Just a few months old, there already are some memorable times of this project which members remember. One moment was when some fine soul found a LOST signature on a mailing list, about an onboard modem, and posted to the list in Spanish. Lucky his error messages were in English and some of the volunteers were actually able to help him from distant India. (ENDS) NOTE: To join the LOST mailing list, visit http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/howtos -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com Email fred(a)bytesforall.org * Mobile +9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference

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something wrong in resolv.conf
by akshaysalkar 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

could some one tell me what i should put in /etc/resolv.conf i seem to be forgetting/misplacing somethings. i have my net connection with vsnl..which i connect using dial up wvdial my ethernet card is also there. and dns also configured but when dns and ethernet is up it does not connect to internet however when i disable ethernet and then try connection it works my /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver 202.54.1.30 nameserver 202.54.1.18 nameserver 192.168.0.1 Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Project Resource centre
by Amol Hatwar 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

> Also, plan to speak to a couple of corporates who > > use snort, as to what > > their requirements from an IDS admin perpective, > > would be...hope to > > kickstart corporate involvement in the PRC with this > > project. Will speak to > > them over the next couple of days *snip* You can convince any corporate if you show them RoI, more business and cost savings. If it still doesn't work try using a celeb :) --AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Projects TODO list -
by Amol Hatwar 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

It works perfectly on the i386 as well. IIRC, someone even ported it to 16bit Intel processors. > >Indeed sir. >P-100z was an over-kill IMHO. I was thinking more in line of 386 >& 486 machines. The motherboards of these can almost be had for >free. And all I was talking about was custom compiling the >kernels so that they are small and fast. More important was >collecting useful software which will work on these machines. *snip* Did anyone think about experiments in clustering? -AH. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: RE: [ILUG-BOM] Lets get started...watz the delay for...???
by Amol Hatwar 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

> > > > zope error is coming up > Trevor ... lets think again? Why use software that we don't understand and troubleshoot. Imagine, the fuse going out when things get hot. Let's keep the try-out phase aside and move to something that we can handle. --AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT]crackers on the prowl in India
by Amol Hatwar 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

> > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp? > > artid=14971142 > >They've got to be told those are crackers, not hackers. When will >the >dimwits understand? ^^^^^^^^^ When I wrote a book on Computer Security, my editors changed the crackers back to hackers-under the pretext of readability. But then I asked how does black-hat hacker sound? They changed the crackers everywhere :). -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Userfriendly
by Amol Hatwar 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

>dont agree!!! >the top never learns/does anything anyways...dont u know >abt the Dilbert Principle?!! rofl ... that was a bone tickler. It's long been established if companies must survive today, they must adapt to change. Change scares us all. But I am more scared about the inability and *Indian indifference* to change. -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Problem with default init level
by Nikhil 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

Hello Luggers, I have RH 7.2 on my machine. In my /etc/inittab file the default init level is set to 5. Still my system boots up to text based login. my X server starts up just fine when i manually start it. Can somebody please help me with this? Thanks, Nikhil. ===== Nikhil Kale Software Engineer Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] something wrong in resolv.conf
by Himanshu Shukla 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Why do u think that this is a problem of resolv.conf? It looks absolutely fine to me. This could well be a routing problem. Maybe your wvdial configuration such that it does not automatically set the correct route. Check `route -n`, when u use wvdial, and see if the external IP assigned to u shows up as the default gateway. On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, akshaysalkar wrote: > could some one tell me what i should put in /etc/resolv.conf > i seem to be forgetting/misplacing somethings. > i have my net connection with vsnl..which i connect using dial up wvdial > my ethernet card is also there. > and dns also configured > > but when dns and ethernet is up it does not connect to internet > however when i disable ethernet and then try connection it works > > my /etc/resolv.conf has > > nameserver 202.54.1.30 > nameserver 202.54.1.18 > nameserver 192.168.0.1 - -- Regards, | Cybertech Networks Pvt. Ltd. | email: himanshu(a)cnpl.co.in Himanshu | Web: http://www.cnpl.co.in | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iEYEARECAAYFAj0sHdgACgkQU1ohqIKr1nPmTQCcDMOvUPwjqooLvdmEajVYIgDs n4wAn0HtZ/BiJ9H9A5OOC8BYycR7fHMP =Rl8B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Lets get started...watz the delay for...???
by Sunil.Vikram＠silverline.com 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

zope error is coming up -----Original Message----- From: Himanshu Shukla [mailto:himanshu@cnpl.co.in] Sent: Tue 7/9/2002 6:05 PM To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Cc: Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lets get started...watz the delay for...??? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9 Jul 2002, Amol Hatwar wrote: > >--> http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/Volunteer/ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I tried registering > here for a lot of time. I gave up. Have you people pounded the > thing enough?. > Same here :-( - -- Regards, | Cybertech Networks Pvt. Ltd. | email: himanshu(a)cnpl.co.in Himanshu | Web: http://www.cnpl.co.in | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iEYEARECAAYFAj0q2HgACgkQU1ohqIKr1nOGKgCeNB6HDt2YUl+HyxLty1A1Zbhx 8TkAnRfydWdIxykCx7xYj46dwTUyNI/4 =aLyd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Projects TODO list -
by Q u a s i 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

At 09:45 AM 7/8/02 +0530, you wrote: >On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > > What about customising the Kernel and a distribution to work on Low end > > (read obsolete) PC's like P-100s ? These machines are available very > >The kernel already works perfectly on Pentium class machines. It works >perfectly on the i386 as well. IIRC, someone even ported it to 16bit >Intel processors. Indeed sir. P-100z was an over-kill IMHO. I was thinking more in line of 386 & 486 machines. The motherboards of these can almost be had for free. And all I was talking about was custom compiling the kernels so that they are small and fast. More important was collecting useful software which will work on these machines. I think we should start collecting old vga/hercules/cga monitors, RAM, mainboards, peripherals etc.. 386 upwards they can be sufficiently useful. If a central place is defined, I am willing to put in time every week for this project. just musing... quasi

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RE: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Userfriendly
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 09:47, Amarendra Godbole (Intl Vendor) wrote: > Yes, the only hitch here is, someone needs to setup the box first, > before moms and dads start using them. But that is a very fair price to > pay, considering the other option. ;-) Even that isn't such a big hitch ... ever seen mom's and dad's doing a Windows install on a clean disc? In one day?? Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. -----------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Userfriendly
by Amarendra Godbole (Intl Vendor) 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

> A normal user basically uses internet, email and MsOffice for > most of the > work he does on the PC at home and office. AT most, add music > + videos to > it. That all, Linux does as good as windows, if not better. Your point taken. I setup the Linux machine for my mom, and taught her how to use StarOffice, Kmail, and Netscape Navigator. That was all she wanted, and she is very happy the way KDE serves her. I don't even expect her to know any of the commands, or what is `root' ;-) She has her own user, and does all her work on the RHL 7.2 machine. No hassels till now. Yes, the only hitch here is, someone needs to setup the box first, before moms and dads start using them. But that is a very fair price to pay, considering the other option. ;-) Cheers, --amar -- Amarendra A. Godbole / Microsoft ``Services For UNIX'' / These opinions are _MINE_. If anything can go wrong, _FIX_ it. (To hell with MURPHY)

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[OT] After the crackers have done their work
by Vinayak Hegde 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

Hi luggers, Read the latest issue of linux gazette and check what it has to say about this. It talks of postmortem analysis of a cracker attack. here is the link to the article fromthe latest issue. http://www.tldp.org/LDP/LG/current/tougher.html relevant urls for the same (post mortem forensic analysis): http://www.porcupine.org/forensics/tct.html http://www.honeynet.org/ --> vinayak hegde ############################################ # Linux - The choice of the GNU Generation # ############################################ __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lets get started...watz the delay for...???
by Amol Hatwar 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

> With lots of help from Dr Nag we have been able to >get Wiki and Volunteer up and running. > >--> http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/wiki/ >--> http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/Volunteer/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I tried registering here for a lot of time. I gave up. Have you people pounded the thing enough?. -AH. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] an important concern for the PRC
by Nikhil Karkera 09 Jul '02

09 Jul '02

On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote : [snip] >It is important to let people know and realise how much can be >achieved on >Linux, how easy it is for end users to operate and what software >is >available. I have started inviting friends over to come and have >a look at >how it works on my PC to get an idea of what it can do. > > This is a really important concern for Linux. Though it is >powerful > > and flexible ,most people are not aware of it's advantages. >Most of the > > people think it's a *cheap software* which is not worth >working on or Unfortunately this is quite true. I teach students doing their MSc in s/w systems, and I was amazed at their ignorance about free software. Since I teach software engineering, we've taken up GNU/Linux as a case study for this subject. I get the feeling it has aroused their interest in free s/w. One student asked me, "If it's so great, which I can see it is, how come we never knew about it?". I also wish to encourage these students to take up GNU/Linux related final-semester projects, where I hope the PRC will assist me. Warm regards, Nikhil. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lets get started...watz the delay for...???
by Amol Hatwar 09 Jul '02

09 Jul '02

OK now the join form ain't working :(. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lets get started...watz the delay for...???
by Himanshu Shukla 09 Jul '02

09 Jul '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9 Jul 2002, Amol Hatwar wrote: > >--> http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/Volunteer/ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I tried registering > here for a lot of time. I gave up. Have you people pounded the > thing enough?. > Same here :-( - -- Regards, | Cybertech Networks Pvt. Ltd. | email: himanshu(a)cnpl.co.in Himanshu | Web: http://www.cnpl.co.in | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iEYEARECAAYFAj0q2HgACgkQU1ohqIKr1nOGKgCeNB6HDt2YUl+HyxLty1A1Zbhx 8TkAnRfydWdIxykCx7xYj46dwTUyNI/4 =aLyd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] About RHCE Exam
by Himanshu Shukla 09 Jul '02

09 Jul '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Niraj, I had taken this exam on RH 6.2 sometime last year. It was then conducted at NIIT, Khar centre only. I doubt if they conduct it any more. The exam is a lab oriented, 5 hours in all, with 1 hour theory. You are certified only if your overall score is greater than 80 %, with no less than 50% in any of the modules. Because of the license agreements of the exam, I cannot give you any more info. On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Niraj Kumar wrote: > Hi all, > I am thinking of taking RHCE exam but I don't have > much info about it. If anybody in this list has taken > this exam , please provide me some useful information. > Also where in Bombay/Pune this is conducted ? > - -- Regards, | Cybertech Networks Pvt. Ltd. | email: himanshu(a)cnpl.co.in Himanshu | Web: http://www.cnpl.co.in | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iEYEARECAAYFAj0q2CkACgkQU1ohqIKr1nPYpgCgttjKFYHrHpr+5mYSvOTTWCeq 2+EAnRE9PVxLWBk16MuUPjJZRJv22Bmw =6Y7a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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News Extract from EcoTimes: ELX
by Darshan.Wakchaure＠lntinfotech.com 09 Jul '02

09 Jul '02

Everyone's Linux, Maxil to launch ELX Power SUNIL RAJANALA TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ TUESDAY, JULY 09, 2002 2:37:56 AM ] HYDERABAD: Everyone's Linux (ELX) in association with Maxil Technology Solutions, US, is gearing up to launch a Linux-based operating system, ELX Power desktop version across North America, Europe, Latin America and Australia by end-July this year. ELX is India's first commercial Linux-based Operating System, which matches Windows by every feature and provides the additional advantages of Linux's robustness and security. The Linux operating system has been developed by Hyderabad-based Everyone's Linux, formerly 3T solutions. Speaking to ET, Maxil Technology's MIS director, Raj Kosaraju said, the soft launch of ELX Power Desktop Version 1.0 took place during late June this year across North America including Canada. By the third week of July, the product will find its way into markets of Europe, Latin America, South Africa, Australia and the rest of the world, he said. ELX also plans to launch the product in India during August for just Rs 900 for Indian customers. To strengthen the relationship, Maxil proposes to enter into a joint venture by participating in ELX equity. "Right now, we are not a JV but we are planning to enter into equity participation in the near future. We are actually a strategic marketing alliance partner to ELX and are working towards handling a global marketing initiative through our network partners all across the globe. We are planning to invest quite substantially in ELX in the next few months to scale up the operations to meet a growing demand," Mr Raj said. He said Maxil will be investing to the tune of Rs 50 lakh immediately in the next three months and subsequently bring in additional funds keeping in line with business volumes and sales forecasts. The revenue model is based on a 55:45 ratio with Maxil sharing 45 percent with ELX from the revenues that accrue in terms of overall product sales. The advertising and promotional costs along with infrastructure and overheads will be borne by Maxil. Meanwhile, talks are on with a Canada based hardware manufacturer to bundle the operating system with the hardware. The name has not been divulged because the discussions are still in the early stages. Just as Walmart sells Lindows (Linux) based desktops which are much cheaper than big brands, Maxil is trying for a venture to make desktops available at 30-40 per cent less than the regular PC, Mr Kosaraju said. He said during the test phase, the pre-release version of ELX had 89,000 free downloads between April and June 2002, with most of the downloads from educational institutions, colleges, and universities. He expects to sell around 5000 units in the US during next three months and 10,000 by the year-end. Further releases of the power desktop version are being planned with ELX Power Desktop 1.0 Light scheduled for release during November, followed by ELX Desktop 1.1 version during 2003. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=15402221

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Require Linux marketing talented personalities....
by Sanjay Gurav 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Hi, Linux Group users, On behalf of newly formed company "TechnoInfosys" I would like to invite Linux talented marketing personalities to join the company, to bring revolutionary in Linux in Mumbai and india... Company will be preferring Linux IT knowledge marketing people for our Linux based solutions and Services to be offered to Indian and MNC Companies and Corporates. People who are preferring to join our team of Linux. Should kindly send in your resume at sanjay(a)technoinfosys.com or call Mr. Sanjay Gurav at TechnoInfosys Techno Infosys A Div. of Technofinvestrade (I) Pvt. Ltd. 101/108, Arenja Arcade, Sector-17, Vashi, Navi Mumbai. India - 400 705. Tel : 91-22-7910977 / 0978 E-mail : sanjay(a)technoinfosys.com " Let bring Linux to top level in IT of India "

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] an important concern for the PRC
by lilo＠zeenext.com 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

On 7 Jul 2002 07:57:26 -0000 "Gurpreet Singh" wrote: > hello luggerz > this is an important concern for the PRC. [snip] > Gurpreet and Krunal This is a really important concern for Linux. Though it is powerful and flexible ,most people are not aware of it's advantages. Most of the people think it's a *cheap software* which is not worth working on or they have the impression that it is too hard to work with and only for geeks. This is contrary to the facts. Unfortunately your teachers seem to be among the ignorant lot. But luggers the fact is most of the people actually fall into these categories whether we like it or not. Hence the need for Installation fests and initiation of people into linux by some means to dispell these notions. Count me in if something is to be done in this regard. I feel we have to something on this count and popularise linux among the masses. --> vinayak hegde __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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PRC
by aarjav 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Hello luggers, Which projects are currently part of the PRC ? Is there a url where I can find descriptions of these ? I have returned from the wild after a long time. Thus the ignorance. Adios Aarjav Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Re:[ILUG-BOM] Programming in Linux
by Rajendra Shastrakar(Raj) 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

> From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" <scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Programming in Linux -- Setting up a Project Resource Center for > Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:59:11 +0530 > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > No, > I spoke of VB since I know how to program in it. > > If there are better languages, tell me about it and where I can get a crash > course in it > Not sure what you want,If you want a platform independent GUI toolkit .. i suggest wxpython (www.wxpython.org) and if ur used to VB there is a RAD tool for wxpython called boa-contructor ( boa-constructor.sourceforge.net ).BTW both these pakages are already with most distributions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- /* Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? */ /* Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? */ /* BSD: Are you guys coming,or what? */ Rajendra Shastrakar ( Raj): shastrakar(a)gnu.org.in HomeLink: http://rajns.freezope.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Programming in Linux -- Setting up a Project Resource Center for
by Tahir Hashmi 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:12:57 Scrap wrote: >languages ? Is there some VB like language in Linux ? Try Kylix - http://www.borland.com/kylix/. I haven't used it myself, though. --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed > >Regards >Saswata > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sameer Shinde" <s2sameer(a)hotmail.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 5:09 AM >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Setting up a Project Resource Center for Students >all over India...IMP > > >> Dear Linuxers, >> Hi after a long back, >> >> I, also, want to contribute my efforts to some of the linux >> projects. Before that I want to tell u few things about me. >> >> I don't know much about the linux b'coz >> I'm learning the linux by myself ( just by trial & error method ) >> & to be very honest to you I don't know much programing >> languages like, php, perl, java & many other, wht u ppl know >> & most probably will be working in. I just know html (in which >> my web site is), C ( wht I learned in my college )& little of C++ >> ( wht I'm learning by my self ). b'coz I always being interested >> in doing some real life projects but never get any chance. >> >> Even I don't know the kernel compilation. But still I want to >> work with u ppl (may be small part ) on some projects. B'coz >> I'm very much sure that, if I get a chance to work on some >> project, I can learn & can work with you. >> >> >> P.S. >> I don't know wht u guys will think about me after reading >> this but, still I want to work on some of the projects with U. >> Here is a link to my resume which I think helpful to u ppl. >> http://www.geocities.com/s9sameer/resume.htm >> >> Thanks & waiting for reply of u guys, >> SAMEER :) >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> My Messenger IDs : >> MSN : s2sameer Yahoo! : s9sameer >> RediffBol : s2sameer Indiatimes : s2sameer >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> One person with belief is equal to a force of 99 who only have interest. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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telnet fails to port 25
by akshaysalkar 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

when i try to telnet 192.168.0.1 25 it says connection refused why? however my telnet 127.0.0.1 25 does accept the connection why so? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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an important concern for the PRC
by Gurpreet Singh 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

hello luggerz this is an important concern for the PRC. this has happened with us wont like it to happen with someone else. we had taken up the Boot CD project to be our final yr project. but our teachers here at college have turned that down, sayiing they expect something more out of us. so now there shud be some means to select the projects that shud be posted on the PRC. PS: sorry trevor, we tried our best to convince but... Gurpreet and Krunal _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: [LIH] /etc/pam.d/wvdial
by Philip S Tellis 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Well, there was thread on this last week, and it may also be useful to others, so I'm posting it. To let all users use wvdial without giving them root password or making wvdial setuid root, do this (tested on RH6.0) 1. put your wvdial binary in /usr/sbin or /usr/local/sbin (your pref) make sure permissions are no more than 755 (-rwxr-xr-x) 2. create /etc/pam.d/wvdial with the following: #%PAM-1.0 auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_rootok.so auth required /lib/security/pam_console.so #auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so account required /lib/security/pam_permit.so The line with pam_pwdb is commented out. If you want wvdial to prompt for user's password (not root password), then uncomment that line. 3. create /etc/security/console.apps/wvdial with the following: PROGRAM=/usr/sbin/wvdial (or /usr/local/sbin/wvdial depending...) 4. create a symlink from /usr/bin/consolehelper to /usr/bin/wvdial (or /usr/local/bin/wvdial) 5. run wvdial as a normal user. -- Can't open /usr/fortunes. Lid stuck on cookie jar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] running a continuos shell script
by Tahir Hashmi 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:50:09 akshaysalkar wrote: >how to have a shell script that will keep running continuously as a running process? > Give the full path of the script as the last line. --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Project Resource Center
by Amol Hatwar 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 Shankar Ramchandran wrote : ><snip> >A suggestion: if the initial projects at PRC could be syncronised >with the >Modules of PGDST .. i feel we can really bank on the vast no >PGDST students > There are even more students who are _not_ doing PGDST. To have reach we have to be generic enough and yet foucused ... and most importantly totally impartial towards courses and students. -AH. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Projects TODO list
by MALHAR PUJAR 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Hello group, respected seniours and my friends, here i present you the list(to be grown) of project names that can be done. I would request my friends to modify, comment and strongly request to add names to list. so that many pepls having interest and expert in some domain can come forward. =========================================== switch(choice) { case networks: 1>XKMS Network Security. break; case applications: 1> A powerful word Processor (WYSIWYG) default: break; } Thaning you JAI HIND --MALHAR-- NCST-BANGALORE.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] an important concern for the PRC
by lilo＠zeenext.com 07 Jul '02

07 Jul '02

On 7 Jul 2002 07:57:26 -0000 "Gurpreet Singh" wrote: > hello luggerz > this is an important concern for the PRC. [snip] > Gurpreet and Krunal This is a really important concern for Linux. Though it is powerful and flexible ,most people are not aware of it's advantages. Most of the people think it's a *cheap software* which is not worth working on or they have the impression that it is too hard to work with and only for geeks. This is contrary to the facts. Unfortunately your teachers seem to be among the ignorant lot. But luggers the fact is most of the people actually fall into these categories whether we like it or not. Hence the need for Installation fests and initiation of people into linux by some means to dispell these notions. Count me in if something is to be done in this regard. I feel we have to something on this count and popularise linux among the masses. --> vinayak hegde __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] using qmail to download mails
by akshaysalkar 07 Jul '02

07 Jul '02

so is it that qmail can only download mails related to the domain name? ie. fetching mails for that registered domain. where does it fetch mails from? linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: On Sat, Jul 06, 2002 at 12:51:45PM +0530, akshaysalkar wrote: > is it possible to use qmail to download mails from the vsnl mail account? no. -- jaju _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Woody
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 07 Jul '02

07 Jul '02

On Saturday 06 July 2002 00:18, you wrote: > Hi! > > Does anyone have a set of Debian 2.2r6 potato > CDs/ISO images that I can have a copy? I shall be > equally satisfied if I get the 3.0 Woody. Woody-i386-1.iso Woody-i386-2.iso Woody-i386-3.iso Woody-i386-4.iso 5, 6 & 7 should be ready by 14th Ph. 5770864 5796698 9820624902 rgds jtdesouza(a)yahoo.com

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pacct
by Poonam P 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

Hi, In my /var/log i have a file called "pacct". What is the file and what appli. is it related to ... Its file size is very huge... can I delete this file. Thx. Poonam ________________________________________________________________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Yahoo Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos.yahoo.com

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qmail fetching remote mails?
by akshaysalkar 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

hi i have my pop3 mail server at a remote location. and i dial up to the server and then download my mails, using either outlook or netscape. now what i wanted to know is can i use qmail to fetch the mails from the remote mail server and store and forward them locally? if so how? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Re: Disk Driver Overlay and Loadlin clash at MBR! help
by Vinay Pai 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

I think you can fix your problem by installing LILO or Grub on some partition rather than the MBR and making that the active partition. for example if your HDD is /dev/hda and you have Windoze on /dev/hda1 and Linux on /dev/hda2, put Grub on /dev/hda2 and DDO on /dev/hda (the MBR). Then use FDISK to set /dev/hda2 as the active partition. I think this should work. If not I do have a few slightly more complicated workarounds in mind. > I had installed disk manager of samsung to support my new 40 GB HDD as > my motherboard bios dont support large capacity drives. So a DDO was > installed at MBR of my OLD 8 GB HDD > Now i installed Linux 7.3 and installed GRUB at MBR of my old 8GB HDD. Now > when i boot up..GRUB gives me options of linux and windows both..but since > the DDO is not activated( i guess it is overwritten by GRUB at MBR)...i can > no longer access my HDD. > Now Diskmanager has option to install DDO at MBR again...but if i do that > linux GRUB will be overwritten..wot shld i do?? > i want linux and windows both with my 40 GB HDD access

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using qmail to download mails
by akshaysalkar 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

is it possible to use qmail to download mails from the vsnl mail account? how to do it? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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ftp.iitb.ac.in ( request )
by Ravindra Jaju 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

Hi all. ftp.iitb.ac.in mirrors debian ( i386 ), linux kernels ( v2.2, 2.4 and 2.5 ) and GNU ( updated almost daily ). Please try it out ( esp. the Debian users ), and give feedback. This is an alpha/beta run. -- jaju

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Debian CDs/ISOs
by Vikas Madhavan Alathur 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

Hi! Does anyone have a set of Debian 2.2r6 potato CDs/ISO images that I can have a copy? I shall be equally satisfied if I get the 3.0 Woody. I need it rather urgently to setup a cluster in my school. If someone who has access to a permanent internet connection and is able to download it for me, that will be greatly apppreciated. I can also bring my laptop over and copy it if that is OK with you. I can also pay a reasonable sum to someone who can make it available to me. Please reply to my email account. Thank you. Vikas.

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Little Favour
by Vijay Kumar Sharma 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

hi I am vijay , while looking in the net for the solution of the problem i faced in solaris installation , i came across you. i am getting the same message what you got long back . So if had got any solution for the same problem , please forward that to me also as i am in urgent need of that thanks in advance iam using P4 1.6Mz, 384MB, 40GB, system with LG CD-WRITER and Sony Floppy Drive vijay Problem : ----------------- Warning : ACPI Tables not in Reclaim Memory (next screen) Warning : Resource Conflict - both devices are added Non - ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00 - 9FFFF, FEE0000-FEF7FFF, FEF8000-FEFFFFF, FEC0000-FEDFFFF, FFF00000-FFFFFFF ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00-9FFFF, E0000-EFFFF, 40FFC00-FEFFFF --------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing Linux on laptop
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

well... thanx for all the options..but i would bide some time before experimenting with any thing.meanwhile i will buy a 2nd hand desktop, thngs that ignorant people give for a throw away price and run linux on it. btw.. i tried to use partition magic , the only partitioning software which supports win xp but i dont think i used it properly.so i am yet stuck with one partition. i was not able to change the boot sequence to run my linux bootable on the laptop by going to SetUp by pressing DEL in XP.how come? regards -NDK >At 05:23 PM 7/3/02 +0000, you wrote: >>On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 Nikhil D. Kikkeri wrote : >>>hello, >>> >>>is it true that in order to install Linux on a laptop/desktop which comes >>>pre-loaded with WinXP i have to format the ENTIRE hard drive? >>> >>>if so, is there a way i can avoid formatting the hard disk? > >ummm... you may try the following - but only just before you decide to >format, sabbe? Meaning this is only a very long shot, and should only be >tried as an experiment. > >If you have multiple partitions then you have almost no problems... > >But if you have only one partition then ta da! >Defrag main partition asking it to arrange programs so that they start >faster. > >Boot from a Linux cd and fire up fdsik. >Note the partition ID >Delete this main primary partition. >Create a smaller primary partition and give it the above ID >note that the starting cylinder of your original partition and this newly >created 'smaller' partition must be the same. >Create another partition in the remaining space for whatever OS you like... >:D >Write to disk and exit fdisk and reboot into Winxp >There is a chance that scandisk will run and crib about a corrupt fat and >correct it. Then you are in luck >... else continue with the format. :D > >quasi > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Contributing Simputer apps...
by Frederick Noronha 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

>From ksvivek(a)picopeta.com Fri Jul 5 22:06:06 2002 Hi, I already have a simputer project registered at Source forge; If there is a basic idea about what one wants to do; I can create a module under that name and give CVS access for the same. Now, there should be one person who will take personal responsibility for the module; I can help in initial coordination; till the person can completely handle the module by himself. Also all developer discussions should be made on the simputer-devel mailing list; to ensure that non-technical subscribers of this mailing list are not affected. First let one person decide what application he/she is interested in creating; and then send me a mail, with his source forge ID; I will add him/her as a developer and development can start. Thanx and Regards, Vivek -- Vivek K S (ksvivek(a)picopeta.com), Ph: +91-80-3618184 PicoPeta Simputers Pvt. Ltd., http://www.picopeta.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe from this group, send an email to: simputer-subscribe(a)egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Projects TODO list -
by Amol Hatwar 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 Q u a s i wrote : >What about customising the Kernel and a distribution to work on >Low end (read obsolete) PC's like P-100s ? These machines are >available very cheaply and if they can be made available to >poorer Schools... If companies could be contacted and convinced >to denote their obsolete stuff for the cause... in any case most >of the times old things are sold for scrap. Ahbijeet P. More are you listening? This sounds like a job for you. I wonder why do the giants sleep sometimes :) -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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configuring laptop in linux
by Girish Hanchate 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

Hi, I have installed RH 7.2 on compaq pressario laptop. But i am not able to configure gui in that. I tried with all permitation combination. It has got Trident Cyber Blade display card. But if i select this card from list the screen gets blank & laptop gets hanged. Details of laptop is as follows Compaq Presario Model 1200. Rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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how can i increase the performance of linux
by upendra gandhi 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Hi all i'm upendra here can anybo.. here tell me how to increase the perforamance of linux 7.0RH i have 64mb ram P2 350 ok / 1028mb swap 129mb theses only parttitions thanks all the best upendra ===== upendra gandhi http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing Linux on laptop
by Amol Hatwar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 Nikhil D. Kikkeri wrote : >hello, > >is it true that in order to install Linux on a laptop/desktop >which comes pre-loaded with WinXP i have to format the ENTIRE >hard drive? > >if so, is there a way i can avoid formatting the hard disk? sad but true. the structures for storing files *file systems aren't the same*. The file system that can be read through Linux is FAT, but it has poor security features. >are there any generic V.90 56k software modem drivers available >for Linux which would be used for software modems of all makes? sadly again, the hardware interface differs ... and vendors are just waking up. Matter of time I guess ... But you are always good with an external modem. I have seen a case with a helpless friend with a hole burnt into his computer motherboard when a lightning struck his telephone pole. :). Regards, --AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] running a continuos shell script
by Amol Hatwar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

>how to have a shell script that will keep running continuously as >a running process? ./script-name & & gives you back the shell, script runs as a process > >ie. it should re-run if the code in the script has finished its >execution. recall the script from within the script itself. This can be used notoriously ... I deem that you will be sensible enough :) -AH. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Projects TODO list
by Amol Hatwar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote : >Still willing to do it. I think I can spend the required time. Can u estimate how much time will be required :D? >The main problem with an accounts type of software is that while >it is easy >enough to create in the first place, it is necessary to evolve >it......Add >more features and let the software mature. That is what makes the >project >long-term Making code short-term makes any project long term :). Saswata ... from what you say I guess you are really serious. Why not try installing GNUCash and noting down what you don't like and how it should be adapted to the Indian Environment. Dive into the code if possible ... Investigate. If you still remain as comitted and serious, you have my hands at the keyboard for your project :). Regards, --AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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.Iso file corrupted. please help!!
by Monil Chheda - [domains.eliteral.com] 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Hello , Thank you for your prevoius help. I downloaded the valhalla-i386-disc1.iso from redhat mirror sites. But , on running md5sum , i didnt get the correct checksum for the disc. Can anyone tell me how to usr rsync utility to get the correct checksum ? I would be helpful to you . Best Regards, Monil Chheda. =========================== http://www.eliteral.com http://domains.eliteral.com =========================== If it happens once, it's a bug. If it happens twice, it's a feature. If it happens more than twice, it's a design philosophy. ========================================================

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Urgent RHL
by Amol Hatwar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Can someone send me a recent RHL distro at Nagpur. I trashed my CDs while travelling. I'll bear costs. I need all of the CDs on an urgent basis. Thanks. -AH. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Projects TODO list
by Amol Hatwar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

> Well then letz add gnucash to the list. I am sure >we'll find studentz interestin in hackin it...to >customise if for our Indian needs. *chop* Good Idea Trevor. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] configuring laptop in linux
by Amol Hatwar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

>I have installed RH 7.2 on compaq pressario laptop. >But i am not able to configure gui in that. I tried >with all permitation combination. It has got Trident >Cyber Blade display card. But if i select this card > from list the screen gets blank & laptop gets hanged. >Details of laptop is as follows >Compaq Presario Model 1200. >Rgds >girish Shoot the mail to Compaq Girish. For Laptops that do Linux I think IBM Thinkpads, and Dell Inspirons are much better. -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Projects TODO list
by Amol Hatwar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 Scrap wrote : >Just going to check on sourceforge.net. > >As for the time and efforts, I think I (and other in the firm) >can and will >manage it. I hope it iwll be fun too. I admire your courage friend :). --AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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how to make script run continuos?
by akshaysalkar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Does any1 know how to make a shell script a continuos running process. ie. make it continuously running? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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running a continuos shell script
by akshaysalkar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

how to have a shell script that will keep running continuously as a running process? ie. it should re-run if the code in the script has finished its execution. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing Linux on laptop
by Q u a s i 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

At 10:05 AM 7/4/02 +0530, you wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Nikhil D. Kikkeri wrote: > > > is it true that in order to install Linux on a laptop/desktop which > > comes pre-loaded with WinXP i have to format the ENTIRE hard drive? > >try fips. don't know if it works on XP, but you could give it a try. do you have an option of installing XP on either FAT32 or NTFS ? 'Cause if it is FAT* then fips ought to work... q

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wIndianpendence!
by Suhit Kelkar 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Hi, After reading about the American linux community's wIndependence declaration, shouldn't there be something of the kind here,too? An wIndianpendence celebration on August 15? Come on ILUG_BOM! Perhaps an installfest, it would be something that gnu/linux newbies and new ILUG members [like me ;)] would enjoy. Regards, Suhit Kelkar -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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need a very simple qmail log reporter
by Poonam P 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Hello, I have searched freshmeat, sourceforge, linux.org/apps but I still cannot locate a simple Qmail log reporter which can give me just 4 simple things... <from> <to> <delivery Status> <date time> Can someone with more exp help me on this please ... Thanks. Poonam ________________________________________________________________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Yahoo Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] nythin else to increase security at my NOC..???
by lilo＠zeenext.com 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Try using nmap to scan the ports and see if any unncessary services are not running in the background. Also check the CPU usage and see if someone is using your machine to launch an attack or do some simple number crunching. regards vinayak hegde __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: root access from console
by Tahir Hashmi 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:44:29 Amish Mehta wrote: >That's cool! How do you do that? Btw your reasoning is valid, >but that website gave no reason/explanation for doing that. > >Amish. > >Tahir Hashmi wrote: >There are >>many setups where the ttys are all connected to the server >>externally. We have such a setup in AMU. So, it's quite possible that >>tty1 (say) is located in the SysAd's chamber. Get the point? Also [snip] I never did that! The Computer Centre of my University had a Unix Lab with that kind of a set-up and I never got around to know how it was done coz our SysAd was somewhat unapproachable :p Anyway, if you give me some time I'll try to get this info from them. Aah! those VT100s - guys who worked in there were a respected lot! That's where I got hooked on to Linux. That makes me think of getting the word of PRC to AMU too. There's an Aligarh Linux Users' Group out there which was quite active till I left around the same time last year. I hope they're more active now. --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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Re: Think my servers got cracked........any ideas..??
by Vinay Pai 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

>Jul 1 15:41:24 paranux2 sshd[22177]: Accepted password >for ROOT from 61.11.13.154 port 62560 61.11.13.154 sounds like it might be from Dishnet DSL IP block... this means the actual user will be NATted from behind this IP. Anyhow if you've only been logging in with SSH your root password was never sent unencrypted. Hence its pretty unlikely that anyone could have gotten your password in just two tries! A cracker clever enough to launch a man-in-the-middle attack or something would also know enough to erase the logs and cover his/her tracks! I think it may be a false alarm. Just check if the admin (or you!) logged in from a cable connection somewhere!

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Can somebody help me in newsletters ?
by Vishwanath V 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

Hi luggers, Can anybody suggest me a appication for sendind newsletters to huge no of mail id's and monitor the activity of newsletters ? Happy Hacking :) ________________________________________________________________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Yahoo Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos.yahoo.com

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[OFFTOPIC] Some one wants to know more about ILUG BOM meetings
by Ritesh H Shukla 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

Hi, I am sorr for the delay in replying. I have myself been to very few meetings. I have forwarded you mail to Navin Dhanuka who has beeen a regular navindhanuka(a)mac.com Also, you can contact people like Phillip Tellis who is a regular for both the mail list and the meetings The last time i remember trevor warren was telling us about his attempts or plans to make a different kinds of distributions to increase the awareness of linux amongst Engineering students. We do a lot of stuff and its quite informal. -Ritesh --- Suhit Kelkar <suhit(a)linuxmail.org> wrote: > Hi Mr Ritesh Shukla, > > I am a new member of ILUG_BOM, and I have not > attended a meeting yet. Could you please tell me > what happens at the meetings? > > I am Suhit Kelkar, 21, a freelance journalist > currently with the Asian Age newspaper. I run RH 7.1 > dual-booted with Win 98, on a Cyrix MII-300 w/ 128 > mb ram and a 20 gb hdd. While I don't have > experience, I think GNU/linux is fast getting ready > for the desktop. > > Looking forward to hearing from you, > > Suhit Kelkar. > -- > Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org > > > Powered by Outblaze __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Projects TODO list
by Amol Hatwar 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

>I head a Cost Accounting firm. I think if you want to do things >to make >Linux more popular with Corporate users, we will need more of >common office >use software. Accounting & Linux gr8 saswata u have come far. If you wish to add an "Accounting Software" to your list of >project, I will be willing to put in time to coordinate it (of >course, >someone here will have to tell me how this coordinating is >done). Thats nice ... but let me warn you it will be a lot of time if you wanna see accounting on Linux. If you have hours to give explain standards and protocols ... perhaps lead a team, I am sure people will help you out. As a suggestion why not go to sourceforge.net and find out whats already there. Regards, --AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] nythin else to increase security at my NOC..???
by Tahir Hashmi 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:28:54 Trevor Warren wrote: > >shifted the ssh port. Nythin else that wwould >complement the security of the boxen atmy NOC..?? > Read "Maximum Linux Security" by Anonymous (Techmedia) and "Securing and Optimizing Linux" http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3 You may also try nntp://comp.os.linux.security but you'd find a lot of fluff there. --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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Re: root access from console
by Amish Mehta 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

That's cool! How do you do that? Btw your reasoning is valid, but that website gave no reason/explanation for doing that. Amish. Tahir Hashmi wrote: There are >many setups where the ttys are all connected to the server >externally. We have such a setup in AMU. So, it's quite possible that >tty1 (say) is located in the SysAd's chamber. Get the point? Also >check >http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/ch… 41.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] squid (sun cache raq) problem
by Amol Hatwar 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

just struck me *old hacks* telnet somewhere and then use lynx. Or pester someone for setting up VNC if your connection is phat :) -Regards, AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] root access from console(was Re: Think my servers got cracked....
by Tahir Hashmi 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:47:41 Amish Mehta wrote: > >because if person has access to tty2, tty3..etc he also has access >to tty1 too. So might as well allow(infact deny for more security) [snip] This is true for the typical Linux installation on a PC. There are many setups where the ttys are all connected to the server externally. We have such a setup in AMU. So, it's quite possible that tty1 (say) is located in the SysAd's chamber. Get the point? Also check http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/ch… --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Think my servers got cracked........any ideas..??
by Tahir Hashmi 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:54:54 Philip S Tellis wrote: >On Thu, 4 Jul 2002, Tahir Hashmi wrote: > >> - Disable logins from all consoles except one, say, tty1 (check out >> /etc/securetty) > >Then how do you work with multiple interactive applications >simultaneously? > Oops! I meant to say "Disable _root_ logins..." --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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root access from console(was Re: Think my servers got cracked....)
by Amish Mehta 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

Tahir Hashmi wrote: > - Disable logins from all consoles except one, say, tty1 (check out > /etc/securetty) Doesnt make sense to allow root access only from console tty1 because if person has access to tty2, tty3..etc he also has access to tty1 too. So might as well allow(infact deny for more security) root access from all console ttyN. Use 'su - root' after logging in as normal user. Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Project Resource Center
by Amol Hatwar 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

>target a couple of magazines and speak to its editor about what >we are >trying to achieve with this. I will work on Network Computing and >Chip >magazine. What Chip? It's Digit now :D. If you can't get through at Digit get in touch with me. Get in touch with Deccan Herald too. Bangalore is a huge place for picking up talent. >b. We need to be present at some high-profile technology >events..maybe as a speaker on GNU, GPL, or just about the Project >Resource >Center. We also ought to start talking about technology >topics-and >identifying ourselves as members of the ILUG Project Resource >Center(ILUG-PRC)..this will put some highlight on the PRC. Can >someone take >the responsibility of finding out what events are coming up? >Nasscom may be >a good source of such information. Please guys..Do cooperate with >us on this >one....... > >c. We need to do a survey of what is a valid project..the >feedback >form is a good idea, trevor. Some of us need to go to each of our >target >institutions and speak to the students there and the >professors/teachers. >Who will be part of this team..People.. please come forward. schools prefer working with successful ex-students. everyone for their own alma-mater. :) > >d. Since I think at least a few students from such >institutions >would already be members of the ILUG, they should come forward >and be the >ambassadors of the ILUG in their institutions. Vishal.can u do >this in >NCST?.Guys.calling the rest of u once again. small team of devoted fellas is better. Negative Energy gets too much to handle. I think we must start small initially. Spreading without a spine will get us down. -- AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Think my servers got cracked........any ideas..??
by Tahir Hashmi 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:20:40 Trevor Warren wrote: > I tried reverse lookin up this IP...but to no avail. Reverse lookup fails for hosts behind firewalls and hosts with synamically assigned IPs. I take these few steps for my system's security: - No Telnet/FTP - SSH doesn't allow root login. You login as a normal user and su to - root. - Disable logins from all consoles except one, say, tty1 (check out /etc/securetty) - Some of the files like /etc/securetty should not be readable by 'others'. This is mostly a policy decision between user liberty and reduction in system vulnerability and I prefer to keep most files readable. However, it makes lot of sense to deny perms on files like /etc/securetty, /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/sysconfig/* - run an updated scanner like nessus periodically to check for vulnerabilities - keep a tab on security updates issued by the vendor of your distro Finally refer to "Maximum Linux Security" by Anonymous for more exotic tips or read the "Securing and Optimizing Red Hat Linux" Guide on www.tldp.org --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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Caveats with gnome-terminal (gnome-core-1.4.1)
by Philip S Tellis 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

For those of you who use gnome-terminal to start console applications from gnome, bear in mind that it no longer accepts quotes around multi word application names. So: gnome-terminal -e "pine -i" now becomes gnome-terminal -e pine -i but gnome-terminal -e "pine" still works. -- Speak the truth. That is always much easier, and is often the most powerful argument. -Bene Gesserit Axiom

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Can somebody help me in newsletters ?
by Vishwanath V 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

I had been trying with my custom made perl scripts. But the analysis part seems to b tricky. Like keeping track of users and invalid mail id's ? On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Vishwanath V wrote: > Can anybody suggest me a appication for > sendind newsletters to huge no of mail id's and > monitor the activity of newsletters ? From: Philip S Tellis <philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> >what have you tried already? ________________________________________________________________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Yahoo Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos.yahoo.com

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Installing Linux on laptop
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

hello, is it true that in order to install Linux on a laptop/desktop which comes pre-loaded with WinXP i have to format the ENTIRE hard drive? if so, is there a way i can avoid formatting the hard disk? are there any generic V.90 56k software modem drivers available for Linux which would be used for software modems of all makes? TIA -NDK _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Is it actually Running.......i.e. Telnet / FTP services..?
by Desai Ashish 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

Hi� Luggers, As I installed/configured Telnet / FTP server in RH Linux 7.2 If I checks it by following command of processes then it is showing me that the �xinetd� service is running. And if I checks it by �nmapfe� utility the scanning is showing me that Telnet and FTP ports are open in Red color. I m going to logon as a user ROOT to LOCALHOST with its password for Telnet session it gives me following error : telnet localhost or telnet 127.0.0.1 Login : root Password : Login incorrect Connection closed by foreign host. And in FTP session when logon as a user ROOT with its password it gives me following error : ftp localhost or ftp 127.0.0.1 Login : root Password : 530 Login incorrect Login failed. It is also not allowing me to Telnet Linux machine (192.168.0.1) from Windows machine (192.168.0.2) It gives me following error : For Telnet : Could not open a connection to 192.168.0.1 For FTP : ftp >ftp:connect:10071 ftp> But if I give ls command then it shows me �not connected� msg. As my Configuration files are concern they are here for u people to review /etc/xinetd.conf defaults { instances = 60 log_type = SYSLOG authpriv log_on_failure = HOST } includedir /etc/xinetd.d /etc/xinetd.d/telnet service telnet { disable = no flags = REUSE socket_type = stream wait = no user = root server = /usr/sbin/in.xinetd log_on_failure += USERID no_access = 10.0..0.1/24 log_on_success += PID HOST EXIT access_times = 09:45-16:30 } /etc/xinetd.d/wu-ftp service ftp { socket_type = stream wait = no user = root server = /usr/sbin/in.ftpd server_args = -l -a log_on_success += DURATION USERID log_on_failure += USERID nice = 10 disable = yes } /etc/hosts.allow ALL:ALL@ALL /etc/hosts.deny (This file is Empty) But as I Telnet / FTP my Localhost by any other User then it is allowing me to connect and also gets connected. So, after reviewing this plz. Suggest me where should I make change to resolve this problem. Regards, [Ashish Desai] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Soul Search] Free Software wizard in Gujarat
by Amol Hatwar 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

>I want to know if any one in the list, or any one who knows a >free software enthisiast in Gujarat, who knows free DBMSs like >MySQL and willing to work for an international project, and >knows >the locality well. No gurantees ... but I will try, can u send in the details to me? -Ah amolhatwar at rediffmail dot com _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Project Resource Center....TODO list
by Amol Hatwar 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 Shankar Ramchandran wrote : > Dear all >We need more projects to offer.and mentors for those projects as >well..We >are doing quite pathetically on this front..Nevertheless, my >contribution to >the project list > > 1. A management interface for the Snort IDS. From what I >understand of the >industry, this is one piece of GPL software companies are ready >to go in >for.Largely , this is because snort is being regarded as a >quality product, >the best of whats available.What snort lacks is a management >interface that >lets the IDS admin update signatures, edit signatures, change >configurations >of his sensors in an enterprise environment through a nice,easy, >GUI kind of >way. This is a project that corporates will be interested in, I >am sure. > >2. A network monitoring, system.again something that is visual, >polished and >easy to use.. Again this is an area where companies >compromise..since their >budget is extinguished after buying desktops, servers, firewalls >and >Microsoft licenses ;-). They will jump if they can get a GPLed >project free. > >3. Policy Management tool - something that can be used to manage >security >policies..with system roles and responsibilities.auditor, sys-ad, >user etc. >I am not sure about this since this will require a knowledge base >that needs >to remain updated. ur ideas all good :). Keep the neurons ticking :) Regards, -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Setting up a Project Resource Center for Students all over India...IMP
by Amol Hatwar 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

> I don't know much about the linux b'coz >I'm learning the linux by myself ( just by trial & error method >) aahh sameer welcome aboard ... :) >& to be very honest to you I don't know much programing >languages like, php, perl, java & many other, wht u ppl know >& most probably will be working in. I just know html (in >which >my web site is), C ( wht I learned in my college )& little of >C++ >( wht I'm learning by my self ). b'coz I always being >interested >in doing some real life projects but never get any chance. *chop* OK ... u asked for it sameer. I am taking _note_ of what you just said, and adding your name to my project *PHP based*. Just gimme a nod :) -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] NCST [was: Project Resource Center]
by Amol Hatwar 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 Philip S Tellis wrote : >On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, vishal gupta wrote: > > > mean when i speak to my friends at NCST centers ..i should be >able to > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >ok, just FYI, the C in NCST stands for Centre, not Center. We >are >Indian. ewww attitude eh? Never defeat someone with style when you can do it with substance. -AH. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Squeeze Linux into Xbox, win $200,000
by Amol Hatwar 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

>A software development project aimed at getting the Linux >operating system to run on Microsoft's >Xbox is offering a larger incentive for would-be developers--to >the tune of $200,000. *snip* haha thanks for the intersting bits Navin :). Best Wishes, --AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] PRC & BootCD
by Amol Hatwar 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

>to get a few books on Open Source to be donated towards the >Resource Mitul, thats gr8 news. I am a bit of a writer too, perhaps I cud help. Thanks for the effort mate, Keep rollin' -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Setting up a Project Resource Center for Students all over India...IMP
by Amol Hatwar 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

> A humble request.......can u set this up @ some >server of urs.......ASAP, & send us the URL to hav >this 1 checked out. It will vry1 a lot good. I wish I could, my project is still in design ... :( *sniff* --------------------------------------------------------- Measure twice, cut once. - Ancient Chineese Proverb _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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PRC & BootCD
by Gurpreet Singh 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

hello luggerz stuff going on here is real interesting for us. we are a group of 3 in final yr comp engg and were looking for a project when we met trevor who helped us with it and showed us some work. the Project Resource Center seems exciting. we spoke to trevor abt it in detail. we'd like to breal some ice now. we'll take up the resposibilty of making a list of projects if u ppl tell us a few places wher we can find them. we'll have the PRC up n running as soon as possible. trevor had three long term projects for us to choose from and the BootCD one sounded good. we take that up guys... do keep the guidance flowing... Gurpreet & Krunal _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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PRC
by Gurpreet Singh 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

lemme anweer this trvor style ;) > From: "Shankar Ramchandran" <shankar_ramchan(a)vsnl.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] PRC & BootCD >Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:21:32 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Dear Gurpreet/ Kunal > >Good going guys. All the best for the BootCD project. >If you are willing to take up the responsibility of creating the >project >list...great... >As a start, I guess you can speak to students and teachers from >1. IIT >2. VJTI >3. NCST >4. University of Mumbai (They have a number of courses, i hear) [snip] do wee need to go to colleges to find projects , wee seem to be helping them finding some?? >5. Graduate Colleges [ There is this Vocational Course in >Computer >Applications which requires them to do software deveopment >projects]. >6. Corporates [ any ideas whom to approach first, we also need to >finalise >what the ILUG-PRC responsibilities will be in relation to doing >projects for >corporates] > >I think these should give us sufficient information on the kind >of projects [snip] wee dont mind going all these places but will this be fruitful?? i doubt >that can be done, and what the ILUG needs to do to make those >projects >valid. Further, it would be helpful if we understand what a >project will >mean for different institutions. > >- Shankar R [snip] an cant wee get a few of them from the email archive of this mauling list?? Gurpreet & Krunal _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.com/rediffin/

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Driver for Sis650
by santoshm 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

I am using RED HAT linux 7.2 , I am not able t o get driver for sis650 video adapter. Could you please tell me if there are any clone drivers that can work, or where can I get the driver. ---------------Original Message------------------ From: Philip S Tellis <philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Driver for Sis650 In-Reply-To: 1025675014santoshm(a)tatanova.com Sender: linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Errors-To: linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in List-Help: <mailto:linuxers-request@mm.ilug-bom.org.in?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in> List-Subscribe: <http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers>, <mailto:linuxers-request@mm.ilug-bom.org.in?subject=subscribe>List-Id: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India <linuxers.mm.ilug-bom.org.in>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers>, <mailto:linuxers-request@mm.ilug-bom.org.in?subject=unsubscribe>List-Archive: <http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:56:25 +0530 (IST) On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, santoshm wrote: > I was installing Linux 7.2 on HCL based Beanstalk machine with 1.6 GHz. While I cannot fix your problem, I feel it is my responsibility to inform you that linux is currently in version 2.4.18 (stable), and hence you cannot possibly be using linux 7.2. You are probably referring to a version of one of the distributions, like SuSE linux 7.2, or Mandrake linux 7.2, or Slackware linux 7.2, (assuming these exist) or something else. -- Don't diddle code to make it faster - find a better algorithm. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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qmail questions?
by akshaysalkar 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

does any1 know why the qmail /var/qmail is the root of the qmail file structure? i mean doesnt that go agains the unix file structure. since /bin/ etc files get stored in /var/ ? wouldnt it have been prefered if it would have been /usr/qmail or something ? also what bout the MUA's supporting qmail for POP mail access. which ones support qmail? what bout outlook and netscape? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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