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Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

Talking about giving out your email IDs to an unknown service... Well Yahoo, Google, etc.. were all unknown when they first started off. Weren't they? Yahoo! does ask for your alternate email ID. Does it not? Now what if they start giving off the alternate ID to spammers or some such elements? What happens then? You start victimizing all those poor souls? I have used Meebo, and I know people who still actively use it. NEVER ONCE have they felt comromised by Meebo. Obviously that does not make Meebo the example of honesty and purity, but it does call for some respect. I need to use Meebo, because I think most IM clients for GNU/Linux are useless. Yes useless. The list includes GNU Freetalk, GAIM, Kopete, X-Chat, Irssi, etc.. I know this sounds obnoxious but I will give you my reasons for saying this. I spend most of my time on the Internet behind a firewall that is very restrictive and seems to have most of the ports (including Jabber, IRC) blocked. But the thing is the Yahoo! messenger for WIndoze and GTalk client for Windoze all work. They both work just like that... out of the box. But GAIM does not, neither does Freetalk, neither does Kopete. I know there is no magic involved (this list had once lectured me on this... although I was never told something I did not know before). The apparent reason is that the ports used by these clients all seem to be blocked. But then why does the Windoze clients not get any obstruction? Why? Obviously the Jabber, Yahoo, MSN, etc. protocols have nothing to do with WIndoze or GNU/Linux. But the thing is that it does NOT work on GNU/Linux. Why??? I am not an expert on these protocols. Atleast not yet. Maybe I will become one soon, but the fact is why cant one use GAIM to do Gtalk, Yahoo, Jabber when on the same network people are having a gala time using the same services on Windoze? Why?? This where Meebo comes in. If we want to popularise GNU/Linux, then it is not a GREAT idea to tell people: "Hey this is Free Software, use it. Its great, its secure, its cooler. But give up chatting." For the non-wizard Meebo is the saviour. One cant explain a non-wizard the intricacies of firewalls, ports, etc.. They (to some extent that includes me) just need a working system. At the end of it all, I still use GNU Freetalk and BitchX and Irssi but I have to do it by sshing into a public shell server, but thats a solution which cant be applied to all. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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DHCP but no server
by Rony Bill 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Hello All, Today I tried out an experiment on a client's cablenet connection in windows. It was a pppoe connection with no static or dynamic ip assigned to the ethernet card, only a list of dns servers. By default the card was set to dhcp but since there was no dhcp server existing, the system would take time to search for a server before loading the full desktop. After a futile search, windows by default assigns a fake ip of 169.XXX.168.XXX and a mask of 255.255.0.0. The real ip, gateway is assigned by the pppoe. I set the system to static ip and gave the same fake ip and subnet. This solved the problem of the system hanging around for dhcp and the pppoe would then do its required job of enabling internet access. The same trick could be tried out for linux based systems in similar cablenet situations so that they don't hang around for dhcp servers. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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[COMMERCIAL] Linux System and Device Driver Programming from Professionals
by Concepts Systems 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

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REVIEW: Building clouds... in cyberspace
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

Building clouds... in cyberspace -- Building Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP Jim Bumgardner O'Reilly Ebook in PDF format 2006 ISBN: 0596527942 Pp 48 $9.99 US, $12.99 CAN http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/tagclouds/ -- Review by Frederick Noronha Tag clouds? What are those? O'Reilly's new e-book 'Building Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP' by Jim Bumgardner explains a concept every serious user of cyberspace would have at least heard of. Says Bumbardner: "Tag clouds are everywhere on the Web these days. First popularized by the web sites Flickr, Technorati, and del.icio.us, these amorphous clumps of words now appear on a slwe of web sites as visual evidence of their membership in the elite corps of 'Web 2.0'." Wikipedia says: "A tag cloud (more traditionally known as a weighted list in the field of visual design) is a visual depiction of content tags used on a website. Often, more frequently used tags are depicted in a larger font or otherwise emphasized, while the displayed order is generally alphabetical. Thus both finding a tag by alphabet and by popularity is possible. Selecting a single tag within a tag cloud will generally lead to a collection of items that are associated with that tag." If you're a content person like this reviewer, why bother at all about all this stuff? As long as I get my neatly-laid out keywords that give me a clue of what's where, why worry? But then, someone has to do the job of getting the tag clouds to work. And that's where this book is born out of a need. It may be a fad. But one which has "real merits" when used popularly, as Bumgardner explains. This e-book analyses what is and isn't a tag cloud. It offers design tips for using them effectively, and also shows how to collect tags and display them in the tag cloud format. Interesting background on issues like craiglist's weighted cities list, and statistically improbable phrases (SIPs) or capitalized phrases (CAPs) lists provided by Amazon.com. SIP has word order corelating to the improbability of the phrase. In the CAP list, the word order relates to the frequency with which the phrase appears in the book. After some interesting history about tag clouds -- which takes us to Flickr (who doesn't know this photography-sharing web site?), tag roots in the blogging community, and Jim Flanagan's Zeitgeist idea -- things start to get technical. There's code, graphs and how-tos.Time for me to leave it to techies, who prefer raw coding to merely writing book reviews!

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YUM and Pirut
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

I find both YUM and Pirut quite slow as compared to APT and Synaptic. I don't think this has anything to do with my Internet connection, since I have used APT (and Synaptic) on the very same machine and connection as YUM and Pirut. Is this really an issue with YUM? Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by BombayNews 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

Wouldn't it be better if someone took a simple version of linux like Ubuntu Dapper (actually that's the only flavor I know!!) threw in another CD with Automatix, PLF repositories and a few desktop icons that can be installed with one click after OS is fired up. Suddenly the first-time user of linux would have a very workable competitor to Windows XP. What do people here think of this? Shiv Kumar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

>> trouble with its Wifi, one had trouble with both its CD-ROM and Wifi, >> and one has issues with the sound-card. >> >> None of these are highly sophisticated H/W (imagine trouble with CD-ROM). >> > I would just have returned those as defective. *If it doesn't work, > return it*. > Your problem was most likely with the motherboard though. But in atleast two of the cases the problem got solved with the very latest versions of GNU/Linux. The Wifi card which was not working in FC5 started functioning in Ubuntu Dapper and the latest Knoppix, while the unresponsive CD-ROM had no problems in the latest Knoppix. It is true that geeks & hackers with some effort can fix most of these issues. I don't claim to be a geek, but I feel even those belonging to the 'uber' class would not always have the time to manually rectify their hardware problems. After all, 'out-of-the-box' is a good thing to have, and Ubuntu has achieved it to a large extent. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 06 Aug '06

06 Aug '06

> I always thought that as time has gone by, driver support for > GNU/Linux (barring a few troublesome manufacturers like ATI, Lexmark, > etc.) has been fairly good. What kind of drivers are you talking about > that should be sold on CDs? > If you're talking about driver CDs like you have for motherboards, > mice, etc then that's the manufacturer's headache. Generally every > distro that is released has up-to-date drivers for the latest hardware > (provided they're stable). What more are you looking for? Although it may appear so, it is not so simple always. Acer is one manufacturer whose hardware is always troublesome on GNU/Linux. It might be Acer's fault that they ship non-standard H/W, but I feel the FOSS world needs to do something about this. I have seen 4 Acer systems, all laptops. One whose battery was not detected, one had trouble with its Wifi, one had trouble with both its CD-ROM and Wifi, and one has issues with the sound-card. None of these are highly sophisticated H/W (imagine trouble with CD-ROM). Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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GNU Sourceinstall
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 06 Aug '06

06 Aug '06

Following is taken from today's digest from info-gnu announcing release of GNU Sourceinstall 2.2: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:01:33 -0400 From: Claudio Fontana <claudio(a)gnu.org> Subject: Source Installer 2.2 released To: info-gnu(a)gnu.org Message-ID: <20060805070133.GA7147@fencepost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GNU Source Installer 2.2 released --------------------------------- This is to announce the availability of libsrcinst-2.2, sourceinstall-2.2, sourceinstall-gtk-2.2. GNU Source Installer is a package manager for GNU policies-compliant source packages. This release offers bugfixes and new functionality. For a complete list of changes, see the ChangeLogs for each component: http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/sourceinstall2/libsrcinst/ChangeLog?roo… http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/sourceinstall2/sourceinstall/ChangeLog?… http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/sourceinstall2/sourceinstall-gtk/Change… For more information see the home page at http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall or the project page at http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/sourceinstall Downloads are available on ftp.gnu.org: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/libsrcinst-2.2.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-2.2.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.2.tar.gz Install in this order. Signatures: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/libsrcinst-2.2.tar.gz.sig ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-2.2.tar.gz.sig ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.2.tar.gz.sig Signed by Claudio Fontana: http://savannah.gnu.org/users/sick_soul You can keep up with the latest development code by using CVS (see savannah project page), or fetching the latest CVS builds on ftp.gnu.org. -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> wont be able to do it - give her mandrake or ubuntu and it will be a > breeze. Debian GNU/Linux is even difficult to pronounce let alone > install. I wonder why they dont say Ubuntu GNU/Linux or Redhat GNU/ > Linux or Umm.... my Chinese friend finds it difficult to pronounce your name, or for that matter mine. That does not mean its difficult to converse with him. Atleast I don't find so. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> What's ubergeeks? (Kdict could not find it for me ;) ) Uber stands for 'super' in German, I suppose. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu
by kunal gangar 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

Hello, I am also using Pacenet internet in Mumbai. I have installed Novell's Suse Enterprise Linux and haven't been able to connect to the net. Please tell me how do I connect it? I have installed etherenet but im not able to know the numbers. Any help would be appreciated. Regards. Kunal Gangar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> huh? i usually use yum to install stuff. for drivers i download the RPMs > and install them if they're not provided by yum. Rest other times its > generally: ./configure && make && make install for me :). Also, there > was something called as sourceinstall. A nice project. Dont knnow what > became of it. Sourceinstall is still being developed. Its a GNU package now and Clauio Fontana is the maintainer. Although I do not use due to my storage limitations, I have seen brisk activity on the sourceinstall lists. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Roshan 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> Its mainly the applications .. i dont think the os > is of importance to > people as long as they can get their work done and > find help when > needed. Arent' there enough applications in most distros. It is a long list. > Linux will take off in a big way if the big distro > manufacturers like > RedHat ( Fedora ) and Novel ( Open SuSe ) provide > self installing driver > packages for their distros based on the latest > available motherboards. Fair enough. > GNU/Linux is only for geeks - that too, ubergeeks. > Because only a > ubergeek can distinguish between GNU/Linux and linux > - or worry about > the difference. What's ubergeeks? (Kdict could not find it for me ;) ) > For the rest are things like Ubuntu, > Mandriva, Suse > which work out of the box - the only thing > preventing them from > dominating is inertia Do they for every hardware? > No, not quality but compatibility. What will they do > with a free OS that will not > be 100% compatible to their needs? Yes, compatibility with different hardware. For any _normal_ user who surfs the web, uses Word Processor, spreadsheet cannot sit down and type commands to configure different hardware. Looking at the replies to the list, 1. Techies should not be lazy to migrate 2. Extensive Driver support and hardware compatibility for devices is required. 3. Software / Applications are compatible. But users need to be informed that .odt (or .sxw) and .doc are file formats for OOo and MS-Office. But OOo have wide variety of options. There's Kopete / GAIM for IM. 4. Awareness in general terms of what is "free" and what is "quality". 5. Community support and awareness through modes that would reach many. (FM Radio / Magazines / TV?) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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FC5 64-bit DVD needed
by Mahesh Gurav 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

Hi, I am new to this group and I need the FC5 64-bit DVD. Is there anyone who can give it to me. My e-mail id is leomahesh02(a)yahoo.com Any help will be highly appreciated. Thank you. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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Sorry
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

Please ignore my last post. It was a mistake on my part. Apologies, Debarshi -- , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / ): :( :o_o: "-" Copyright (C) 2001, Free Software Foundation, Inc. http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-ascii.html

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CVS Update
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

The CVS has been updated. a. bug-fixes in relationtype.py b. getAttributes() removed from baseclass.py c. getNeighbourhood() enhanced to do the job of getAttributes Happy hacking, Debarshi -- , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / ): :( :o_o: "-" Copyright (C) 2001, Free Software Foundation, Inc. http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-ascii.html

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Regarding a Library Function in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.0 (Manoj Bohara)
by Manoj Bohara 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

Hello everybody , I am porting an application from hp-ux to red hat enterprise linux 3.0 . in one of the source codes there is this conversion done of a decimal number to a number with a given base . which is called the string representation of the decimal number . the function is ltoastr . syntax : ltoastr(long integer , base ) ex : ltoastr(157 . 16) . this is will convert the number 157 to its base 16 representation . this is a library function and its in HP-Unix . i need a similar function which provides the same functionality in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.0 . I am trying to find t it . However if anyone knows about it would you plz pass on the same information at manoj.bohara(a)wipro.com . I will be highly obliged . Regards Manoj Bohar wipro technologies . Manoj Bohara "If we try , we risk failure but if we don't we ensure it . " --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] YUM and Pirut
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

>>> I find both YUM and Pirut quite slow as compared to APT and >>> Synaptic. I don't think this has anything to do with my Internet >>> connection, since I have used APT (and Synaptic) on the very same >>> machine and connection as YUM and Pirut. Is this really an issue >>> with YUM? >> >> With Yum IMO. Pirut uses Yum. > Thats right. Rohan, yes, yum is pretty slow compared to apt. Why dont > you install apt for fedora? When I first started this thread few days back, my objective was not to find a faster alternative for YUM on Fedora. I had been using Synaptic and APT on Fedora Core 2, but stopped doing so after upgrading to FC5. Partly due to my laziness, and partly due to the fact that I read APT support will slowly be discontinued in Fedora. After all if YUM is being promoted (Pirut was written for YUM replacing system-config-packages) by the Fedora Project, it should have something in it after all. What I would like to know is WHY YUM is slower than APT is at all it is. Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Anyone going for FOSS.IN -> 3 people
by Kartik Mistry 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

On 7/30/06, Mitul Limbani <mitul(a)enterux.com> wrote: > 70+ ppl, hmm lets start with the count. > > > 1) Anand (fill your email) 2) Mitul Limbani <mitul(a)enterux.com> > > > if ((going_to_foss_2006) && (from_mumbai)) > { > echo "Your name and email"; echo "Increment Subject line counter by 1"; > } > else { echo "dont bother"; > } +1 Kartik Mistry but may be by --------f---l---y-------> -- Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------- Kartik Mistry | kartik.freemind.in 0xD1028C8D | kartikm.wordpress.com -----------------------------------------------------------

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Error executing brlmonitor.....
by Naveen Kumar 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

Hi, I am getting the following error when try to execute brlmonitor cmk-ossd-moebiuscurve:/home/naveenk# /usr/lib/gnopernicus/brlmonitor -p 1089 -m braille ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (brlmonitor:2812): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. uid mismatch uid mismatch ...................... ...................... uid mismatch uid mismatch (brlmonitor:2812): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Can not open socket! (brlmonitor:2812): gnopernicus-CRITICAL **: file brlmon.c: line 220 (main): assertion `rv' failed ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please help me with the solution................. -- Naveen Kumar Project Engineer Open Source Software Division( http://ossrc.org.in/ ) C-DAC Mumbai ( http://www.cdacmumbai.in/ ) ( http://moebiuscurve.livejournal.com/ )

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Software for drawing graphs.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

Hi, Is there a GNU/Linux package that can draw graphs of values dynamically generated by a program? Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Survey on FLOSS - please help
by Vickram Crishna 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

http://flossworld.org/survey/dev_open.php I got a mail from Rishab Aiyer Ghosh about this survey: please do publicise and encourage people to fill it in wherever possible, it seems India is one out of 8 countries surveyed, where the response has been quite inadequate so far. Possibly this survey has been posted here before, but clearly it didn't have enough effect, so please excuse me for posting the link again, in that case. --- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Routing between 2 private networks.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

> Did you try man route ?? I did. You must have seen the link I attached (proof of an attempt to do my home-work). I would not have asked if I understood how to execute the solution given there. > Please do your home work well before posting on list. > Here for your ignorance am pasting output directly from "man route" You are making unnecessary presumptions. I might not know a lot about routing tables, but I dont like being addressed like this. . > route add -net 192.57.66.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw ipx4 [root@Sunflower ~]# route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw ipx4 ipx4: Host name lookup failure [root@Sunflower ~]# Thats what I get. > This command adds the net "192.57.66.x" to be gatewayed through the > former route to the SLIP interface." I read this line. I dont know what is SLIP. Would this enable the packets to return successfully to the 192.168.0.x network? They are able to reach the 172.16.16.x network from 192.168.0.x but enable to return back. > What does he do if he reboots the server or restarts the network service? Fortunately I know how to do this. One has to make an entry into one of the start-up scripts in /etc/init.d/... or /etc/rc.d... I dont remember the exact file, but I think I will be able to do it. Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Ubuntu 6.06 DVD
by Vivek J. Patankar 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

Does anyone have the DVD release of Dapper Drake? Please mail me off list if you would be able to burn me a copy. -- Regards Vivek Registered Linux User #374218 Livin' The iLife ~ http://www.ilifenet.net

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The most active GLUG in Bangalore ??
by suhas prabhu 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

Dear GLUGers, Can anyone please tell me which is the most active GLUG in Bangalore ?? I have recently shifted to Bangalore and I miss the Mumbai LUG very much. I did search on the net but blug.in seems to be old and not-so-updated. Also it seems to be inactive.... Please help. Regards, Suhas

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Software for drawing graphs.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

> xmgrace..(now called. grace)...but i have found gnuplot to be more appealing > and robust..... > Harish Thanks to you too... Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software for drawing graphs.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

Thanks to Kenneth and Prasanta for the help. I had heard about GNUPlot before from Atanuda (don't know whether he is on the list or not), but never knew about PIL. Will try it out though. Thanks a lot, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Routing between 2 private networks.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

http://www.tutorialsall.com/SLACKWARE/routing-between/ I have exactly the problem as the one in the above link. I also believe that the solution (the one by Eric Hameleers) is also the same: "configure your internet router with an additional return static route for the "hidden" network segment". The current status of the router (a FC5 box): [root@Sunflower ~]# echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [root@Sunflower ~]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:C0:9F:4A:62:A8 inet addr:172.16.16.144 Bcast:172.16.19.255 Mask:255.255.252.0 inet6 addr: fe80::2c0:9fff:fe4a:62a8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:149195 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:10836 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:16685165 (15.9 MiB) TX bytes:3077530 (2.9 MiB) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xc800 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:F1:36:27:6F inet addr:192.168.0.144 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::20c:f1ff:fe36:276f/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:11971 errors:393 dropped:385 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:9938 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:3405233 (3.2 MiB) TX bytes:3280636 (3.1 MiB) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe000 Memory:e0204000-e0204fff lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:14811 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:14811 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:10120532 (9.6 MiB) TX bytes:10120532 (9.6 MiB) [root@Sunflower ~]# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 172.16.16.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.252.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 0.0.0.0 172.16.16.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 [root@Sunflower ~]# I need machines on the 192.168.0.x network to be able to access the proxy 172.16.16.2 on the 172.16.16.x network. The router is 172.16.16.144. I have set 192.168.0.144 as the gateway on the 192.168.0.x machines. The machines on the 192.168.0.x network can ping each other, can ping 172.16.16.144, but not any other machine on 172.16.16.x. It seems that the outward packets are getting routed but they are lost on the way back to the 192.168.0.x network. What would be the exact 'route' command to fix this. I would like to avoid the iptables/ipchains and the NAT way of setting this up. Please help. Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Fw: [silk] flossworld survey of indian FLOSS community
by Devdas Bhagat 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

----- Forwarded message from Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <rishab(a)dxm.org> ----- From: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <rishab(a)dxm.org> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:01:35 +0200 To: India-Gii <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Cc: silklist(a)lists.hserus.net Subject: [silk] flossworld survey of indian FLOSS community X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Reply-To: silklist(a)lists.hserus.net hi all, for the people here involved in the indian free software/open source community, i'd appreciate it if you could help publicise this survey we're conducting as part of the FLOSSWORLD project (flossworld.org) - we're studying 8 countries with customised but comparable surveys, and india is one of them with a poor response so far. please post it to LUGs, project mailing lists etc where you haven't seen it already? http://flossworld.org/survey/dev_open.php thanks a lot! best, rishab ----- End forwarded message -----

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cgi images not showing up
by ryan coelho 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Hi, I am not able to get an image in my cgi / html script Contains cgi shell scripts not perl but if anyone has perl is also a welcome Can anyone help please ..... Regards Ryan

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Hindawi@Linux now available for download
by Abhishek Choudhary 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

The first ever complete Indic computer programming suite has now been successfully ported to Linux. It supports Hindi BASIC, Hindi C, Hindi C++, Hindi Java (tm), Hindi LEX, Hindi YACC, and Hindi ASSEMBLY languages. Hindawi@Linux also includes an email client to send and receive mail in Hindi using Romenagri. This has a benefit that those who have this client will see the Hindi email in Devnagri, while all other mail clients will show it in the Roman / Rose script. Currently available clients would show garbage if the proper encoding was not available. Kindly visit the following link for screen shots and downloads. http://www.indicybers.com/HindawiLinux/ You may contact Abhishek Choudhary, the developer of Hindawi, Romenagri and related software at hi_pedler(a)yahoo.com or call him on +91-9980340138 (for support please email; congratulatory calls are welcome and so are contributory calls). Regards, Abhishek

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misleading advertisement
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Dear Ms Fletcher I am in possession of your mailed offer advertising PC guides entitled "At Home With Your PC". On reading this, together with the sample guides enclosed, it appears that the material you are selling (at a huge discount from the advertised price) is a 'helpful guide' aimed at home users of personal computers running versions of the Microsoft Windows operating systems. However, this clarification appears nowhere in the text of the offer, which only refers to PCs as though the term 'PC' implies solely such devices. There is no mention at all of GNU/Linux or Macintosh or any other widely used operating system for personal computers, which in themselves are not (for your information) confined to a single operating system, and definitely not solely to versions of a proprietary operating system that constitute a virtual monopoly of consumer's mindspace, probably due in large part to such misleading public messages purveyed by prominent media organisations. In fact, you do not even mention the trademark 'Microsoft Windows' or its equivalent, thus implying in substance that there are no alternative systems in existence. It is only on reading the 'sample guides' in detail that it becomes clear that your offer relates only to use of Microsoft Windows and additional computer applications such as Microsoft Word and Microsoft Excel sold by the same company. In very fine print (and at right angles to the normal text), the guide pages carry a certificate that the content of the guide has information pertinent to home users of computers running Windows 95 (not correctly trademarked Microsoft Windows 95) and above. There is no such disclaimer in the text or margins of your offer letter. I find this a shocking misuse of the goodwill that the Reader's Digest has built up over the years, one that supports free choice for the consumer to purchase goods and services, without being misguided by the media. I am copying this mail, in protest, to public service lists relating to the use of computers in India, and to users of alternate operating systems. I trust that others will be informed in time of the limitations of your offer and be able to make an informed judgment regarding their own purchase decisions. Unfortunately I do not immediately have at hand the mailing address of the Consumer Society of India or of the Advertising Standards Council of India, who also should be informed. I do hope you will immediately either unconditionally withdraw this partisan offer, or suspend it until your editorial team can expand your offering to users of alternate systems, or make it clear that your offer is indeed limited as described, explaining exactly why you have chosen in this case to withhold important information, thus relaxing your journalistic independence. Sincerely Vickram Crishna

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Re: Anyone going for FOSS.IN
by Network Accelerator 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Hi, What is the agenda for this year FOSS.IN? Thanks indeed.

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List Guidelines
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Dear Anurag and List Admins, Based on your statement below:- "List Members, Please keep the focus of your mails on linux and related technologies, and do not post replies to potential trouble makers." Could you please clarify more on the term `related technologies' with reference to linux or FOSS? Does any new idea or concept for any technology that has a potential use of Linux or FOSS in the future come under this category? Why is the presenter of such ideas being branded as a trouble maker? If the list members break rules and post anti-Govt. or communal replies, why is the OP being punished for it. Tomorrow if an on-topic discussion diverts into such replies, will the OP still be held responsible for that? My observation of this list as well as the general attitude of Indians towards scientific development is that we are not cut out to develop new technologies or inventions. We are destined to be slaves and coolies of technologies that are handed down to us by our foreign masters. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Neural Networks + Linux
by Dinesh Joshi 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Hi list, I am currently learning neural networks as a hobby. I would like to implement them in C and on Linux. I have googled around and there seems to be immense data on them yet its all theoretical. I am currently learning the BPN algorithm whose logic I am able to understand but the math is a bit tough. I would like to know if there is/are some book / website / white papers which talk about Neural Networks from implementation / performance point of view. Oh yes, it would be great help if the math is explained in simpler terms :) I've gotten links / pdfs if anybody is interested I can post them here ( not PDFs ofcourse ). Thanks. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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[OT] Laptops - AMD Sempron v/s Intel Celeron
by Arun Khan 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Want to buy a "budget" laptop. The CPU choices are AMD Mobile Sempron 3000+ (1.8GHz, 128K L2 cache) and Intel Mobile Celeron (1.6GHz, 1MB L2 cache). Given resp. units have 512MB system RAM (w/ 128M for video) and comparable HDD, which CPU is likely to give better performance? TIA. -- Arun Khan

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Anyone going for FOSS.IN
by आनंद (Anand M R) 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

The dates of this year's FOSS.In have been announced as November 24/25/26. Is anyone planning to go from mumbai ?

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extracting metadata from media
by Arjun Jain 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Hi everyone, I am trying to extract meta data from various file formats, viz JPEG, BMP, GIF, PSD and AVI, MPEG and MP3. I was trying to look for a generic library which would support all (or most) of the given file formats. The only library(C/C++) I could find was libextractor but I couldn't use it because I want it to work on both platforms. Thus, For MP3 i am using id3lib and for JPEG exiv2lib. I would be grateful if anyone could point me to libraries which extract metadata from the other file formats (viz BMP, GIF, PSD and AVI, MPEG). TIA, Regards, aj -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Arjun Jain, Development Engineer PI Corporation (http://picorp.com) http://arjunjain.net Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rvcelug/ -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Python Learning
by Sameer Niphadkar 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Hello guys, We wish to implement our project in python as it is one of the most robust open programming language. So can you give us some guidelines from where we can start our learning. We have got our hands on two books 1) Learning Python - O'reilly Pub (Lot of theoratical stuff) 2) Python Complete Refrence - (again lot of theory). Since we have good experience with programming, it would be great if we can start with Python coding directly. Any pointers ? regards Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Having a gateway outside the network
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 29 Jul '06

29 Jul '06

Hi, I was installing Ubuntu for my fiancee and found a strange little problem when configuring her network. Her IP address is 172.20.x.x and her gatway is 10.10.10.2. Ubuntu cried out loud about the gateway not being part of the network and didn't let me configure that way. What I did was add a startup script that added a direct route to the gateway first and then added the default gateway just after the interface is initialized (I removed the gateway line from /etc/network/interfaces). While this works, this seemed a very ugly fix to me. This odd network setting "Just Works" on Windows. Is there an easier way to do this that I'm missing out on? I've also tried adding the "up route add..." line in /etc/network/interfaces. That doesn't seem to work. Thanks, Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] YUM issues
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

>> http_proxy, ftp_proxy variables in /etc/profile as: >> export http_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" >> export https_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" > I am no expert, but should not there be a "/" after the proxy port? We > also use squid proxy, and have been told that the "/" is essential. Well it seems you are an expert after all. Adding the "/" and tinckering with the timeout value in yum.conf has got YUM working for me. Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] YUM issues
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

>> [Errno 4] IOError: <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name >> resolution')> > I think that there is a problem with your dns server. No I do not think so, since wget is working absolutely fine, and so is Firefox. Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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OLPC rejected by GOI
by jtd 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/75968 OLPC is not useful for the target audience. Classrooms and teachers is what we need. according to the HR development mandarins. -- "It may actually be detrimental to the growth of creative and analytical abilities of the child," the secretary added. Classrooms and teachers were more urgently needed than "fancy tools," Never mind that the schools already built exist on paper and the teachers are pure vapour. Same old logic about radio, tv and phones being luxury products "we need drinking water and medicine" went the refrain in a thankfully bygone era. Rgds JTD

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[OT] Apache URL Rewriting
by Joel A Divekar 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

Hi All I need help on URL rewriting under Apache 2.0.x. I need to do following : a) When following request is received by Apache http://127.0.0.1:85/spot?s=25&format=text/html it should be rewritten and called as http://100.100.100.100:85/spot?s=111&format=text/html with the following settings in my httpd.conf I am able to get ip address changed but no luck with the s=25 to s=111. I am running out of time and can anybody guide as I am not too good with regular expression. <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.+) http://100.100.100.100:85/$1 </IfModule> Regards Joel 9867572484

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Neural Networks + Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

>> Well, I learnt Artificial Neural Networks back in 3rd semester as an >> optional subject. One of my classmates (in fact he is my former >> roomie), [name deleted] <arjuns[email deleted]> started writing a C++ > If that was my name and email, I'd be pissed off. Well, it was neither your name nor your email. I do have the permission to provide his email ID on this list. Comments like these are not needed and should be avoided in the aftermath of the horrible flame wars and OT mails that flooded the list. Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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YUM issues
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

I am using Fedora Core 5, and am behind a Squid proxy. I have set the http_proxy, ftp_proxy variables in /etc/profile as: export http_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" export https_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" export ftp_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" export socks_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" My /etc/wgetrc looks like: #http_proxy = http://proxy.yoyodyne.com:18023/ #ftp_proxy = http://proxy.yoyodyne.com:18023/ use_proxy = on Since the proxy variables are already set in /etc/profile I have not set them here. Moreover wget can successfully download files from the Internet. My /etc/yum.conf looks like: [main] proxy=http://172.16.16.2 proxy_username=mmh3 proxy_password=mmh3 cachedir=/var/cache/yum keepcache=0 debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 obsoletes=1 gpgcheck=0 plugins=1 metadata_expire=1800 timeout=7 However I get: [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ sudo yum list Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up repositories updates [1/4] http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/i386/repo…: [Errno 4] IOError: <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')> Trying other mirror. Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: updates failure: repodata/repomd.xml from updates: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Error: failure: repodata/repomd.xml from updates: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ The same XML file http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/i386/repo… can be successfully downloaded by wget and seen by Firefox. So why the error? Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: lug meet
by Roshan 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

> On 7/23/06, Roshan <d_rosh2001(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote: > > I'm interested to meet LUG members. The last I had > > attended was in February. :( > Hehe, you think that was far back? The last I > attended was back in 2002 :P Oh..that is way back! > Are colleges (Ruparel, Bhavans, etc.) not open to > LUG meets anymore? Shouldn't they be? Perhaps, this will create more awareness among college students atleast. > They happen in the Eastern subrubs, rather than > central Mumbai. I am a > bit too far off to attend a meet sadly. Is there any "fixed" place for the lug meet? Just curious __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Share your views with LFY: CommunitySpeak Episode 3
by Janani Gopalakrishnan 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

Hello all, Greetings from the Linux For You magazine team! As you all know, two months ago we launched a new initiative called CommunitySpeak where we pose a question to various ILUG mailing lists and publish the top five responses (selected by our technical editors) in the magazine. Thanks to all those who responded to last month's question. The best among the responses received are to be published in the August 2006 issue of LFY. We have contacted the chosen respondents off-list. This month we have chosen the topic: "What does one gain from participating in an open source project that he/she does not gain from a regular work environment?" What's your take on this? Our eyes and ears are wide open and we are waiting to listen to your views. Please write to us at writetojanani(a)gmail.com with a CC to atul.goel(a)efyindia.com, before 5th August 2006. The top five responses will be published in the September 2006 issue of Linux for You. Look forward to your responses. Thanks, Janani Gopalakrishnan, Freelance Writer Atul Goel, Asst. Associate Editor, LFY He who controls others may be powerful but he who has mastered himself is mightier still. - Lao Tsu

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Neural Networks + Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

> I would like to know if there is/are some book / > website / white papers which talk about Neural Networks from > implementation / performance point of view. Oh yes, it would be great > help if the math is explained in simpler terms :) Well, I learnt Artificial Neural Networks back in 3rd semester as an optional subject. One of my classmates (in fact he is my former roomie), Arjun Shankar <arjunsha(a)gmail.com> started writing a C++ library for ANN. It was very simply written. The project was hosted in Savannah but the codes are not yet available there due to network restrictions in our campus proxy. I hope you will be able to solve your doubts with Arjun's help. Cheers, Debarshi -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Where is the Space gone ??
by Francis 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

I installed Fedora Core 5 all worked well , got the latest version of Eclipse downloaded and it seems I have run out of space to extract it . I have the 3 questions : 1. how much space is alloted to each folder by default as the folders seem to show a free space value . 2. how do I resize the space alloted to the folders by default . 3. how do I check to see how much space each folder in / is using ?? here is the output of : df -a -H Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 8.8G 8.2G 95M 99% / proc 0 0 0 - /proc sysfs 0 0 0 - /sys devpts 0 0 0 - /dev/pts /dev/hda3 104M 18M 82M 18% /boot tmpfs 248M 0 248M 0% /dev/shm none 0 0 0 - /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc sunrpc 0 0 0 - /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs automount(pid1774) 0 0 0 - /net /dev/fuse 49G 47G 1.8G 97% /root/mydocuments /dev/fuse 22G 14G 8.1G 63% /c Cheers , Francis

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Making Sendmail co-exist with ListManager
by Rohit V Bhute 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

We have installed Lyris ListManager on a Redhat AS 3 server. It uses ports 25 (for mailing) and 82 (for web-based admin). We also want to run Sendmail on this server so that mails can be sent using the PHP mail() function. How do we configure an alternative port for the Sendmail server? The second (major) problem is that the Sendmail user was deleted as part of hardening the system (since Sendmail was not need at the time). Now, we find that starting and stopping Sendmail is not smooth at all. The Sendmail client (sm-client) shows its status as "service stopped but subsys locked". Any hints/prods in the right direction are welcome. -- Rohit V. Bhute http://blog.rvbhute.org

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Biometrics for PAN using FOSS
by Sameer N Ingole 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

Hi, Just saw this: Biometrics for PAN The Income Tax department seeks inputs from organizations engaged in providing biometric solutions to ensure uniqueness of Permanent Account Number (PAN). http://incometaxindia.gov.in/archive/bio1907_19072006.doc Are there any companies that provide such solutions using FOSS in India? It might be useful for them. -- Sameer N. Ingole http://weblogic.noroot.org/ --- Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

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Re: Offline Dictionary
by Roshan 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

> Perhaps you did not search enough. > http://stardict.sourceforge.net/ > (This requires libglib 2.0 or above) I read this at wikipedia but assumed, it ran only over DICT protocol. Thanks for the link. > Don't know about WORDWEB but stardict works great. > You are using way too old Linux pal. Resolving > dependencies on your > version of Linux will be headache. I'll try and resolve dependencies, if any. I know, I am using way too old GNU/Linux. I plan to buy a new HDD next month and would be installing Fedora Core 5 and Kubuntu on it. Possibly, would be successful on dual booting. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Offline Dictionary
by Chirag Wazir 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

Hi, Roshan wrote: > I have been searching for offline dictionaries.... > .... Is there something similar to "Word Web?" WordWeb is based on the WordNet project at Princeton. Take a look at http://wordnet.princeton.edu WordNet itself works cross-platform & there are various third-party GUIs available (a little googling will help), and APIs in most common languages if you want to roll your own. Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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Offline Dictionary
by Roshan 25 Jul '06

25 Jul '06

Hello List, I have been searching for offline dictionaries for Redhat Linux 9.0. I haven't been able to search one. By default, I have Kdict with KDE, but it requires an internet connection. Though, I should not be saying this, but in Windows, there is a software called WORDWEB that is free as in "free bear". Is there something similar to "Word Web?" __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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HyperLinks to UNC Paths not working in Firefox
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Infra, Energy) 25 Jul '06

25 Jul '06

Hi everyone the problem is identical to this guy's post... www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t85763-unc-path-hyperlink-syntax.html If anyone can figure out the unbelievably precise solution, please enlighten me. I have a html page (served by ASP.NET.. that shouldn't matter right ;) ) which has a hyperlink to a UNC Share. so <a id="something" href="file://///WinMachine/Share/Dir1/File.ext">Text</a> I needed 5 slashes for Firefox. IE worked with some internal magic. Now here's the strange part. With the above syntax, the URL works in IE. It shows up in FireFox but doesn't work i.e. Click (nothing happens), right click menu (doesn't function). If I copy the link, open a new tab and paste it there, the Run_Or_Save dialog comes up (expected behavior) Next if I save the HTML locally and open it up in firefox, then the links work straight out of the page. Spent the last 3 hours to get this thing work identically in both browsers... I have already tried the checkloaduri thing mentioned here. No luck! http://jspwiki.org/wiki/FAQGeneral#section-FAQGeneral-LinkingToUNCPaths If anyone can help.. please do :) -- Gishu

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Fourth International GPLv3 Conference
by Anurag 25 Jul '06

25 Jul '06

Free Software Foundation of India is hosting the Fourth International GPLv3 Conference in Bangalore, this August 23-24, 2006. Please go through the mail in case you are interested in participating in the event. Anurag ----- Forwarded message from Arun M <arun(a)gnu.org.in> ----- Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:18:15 +0530 From: Arun M <arun(a)gnu.org.in> Subject: [Fsf-friends] Fourth International Conference To: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in>, fsf-press(a)gnu.org.in Reply-To: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bangalore to Host the Fourth International Conference on GPLv3 India will host the Fourth International GPLv3 Conference in Bangalore, this August 23-24, 2006. A part of the world-wide drive to create awareness about the upcoming version three of the GNU General Public License (GPLv3), the two-day conference is expected to draw delegates from across the communities - legal, bureaucrat and academia. While the first day will see Richard M Stallman and Eben Moglen, the original architects of the GPLv3 license, communicating latest updates on the GPLv3 final draft, the second day holds panel discussions on localisation, awareness and adoption of GPLv3 and threat of Digital Restrictions Management (DRM). The event to be held at the Indian Institute of Management - Bangalore is a sequence to the Third International GPLv3 Conference that took place in Barcelona, Spain. Similar events have already been held in the USA and Brazil. The international GPLv3 conferences are part of a year-long public consultation process to update the GNU General Public License (GPL). The version 3 of the GPL, essentially, takes into account changes in terms of legal and technical environment, in which software licenses operate, and the need to increase protection against new threats such as software patents and Digital Restrictions Management (DRM). The worldwide awareness drive for GPLv3, is to ensure that, all users of software distributed under its terms, have the freedom to examine, share, and modify that software. For registration kindly visit GPLv3 conference website http://gplv3.gnu.org.in For Details, kindly contact: Arun M (FSF-I) arun(a)gnu.org.in Prof Rahul De' (IIM-B) rahul(a)iimb.ernet.in Abhas Abhinav (FSUG-Bangalore) abhas(a)deeproot.co.in Venue: IIM-B Date: 23, 24 August, 2006 Contact numbers: Abhas Abhinav (FSUG-Bangalore) #080-41124785 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends ----- End forwarded message -----

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[Fw: [Fsf-friends] Fourth International Conference:]
by Anurag 25 Jul '06

25 Jul '06

Free Software Foundation of India is hosting the Fourth International GPLv3 Conference in Bangalore, this August 23-24, 2006. Please go through the mail in case you are interested in participating in the event. -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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[COMMERCIAL]Finalising RTLinux/Device Driver details
by hemendra jain 25 Jul '06

25 Jul '06

Dear Friends, I require certain info to decide on the timings,dates,days and other information. Plz replay back with Yes/No and Relevant info wherever required. --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. I want to join RTLinux course: Yes/No 2. I want to join Linux Device Driver course: Yes/No 3. I want to join both the courses: Yes/No 4. My days preference a. Sat alone - Yes/No b. Sun alone - Yes/No c. Sat and Sun - Yes/No d. Any day - Yes/No 5. Timings: a. 9 to 2pm b. 2.30 to 7.00 pm 6. Personal Info: a. Your name : b. email addr: c. contact info: - Mb no - Off/Resi no IMP: Depending upon the majority all the details would be decided and communicated to every one. Once the details are decided, all the people would be called in prior to starting of the lectures for fees,notes and other details. --------------------------------------------------------------------- About the course: Venue: Byculla(E), 5 mins from the station, Opp. Jain Temple, Seth Motisha lane(Love Lane) Land Mark: Byculla Police Station Course duration: 30 to 35 bhrs Timings,days and dates: Yet to be finalised. Course Fees: Rs. 3000/- each course Timings: Either 9 to 2pm OR 2.30 to 7.30 pm, still to be decided. Rgds, SN Embedded Hemendra Jain (98205 65918) snembedded(a)yahoo.com

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Skype on Linux
by Dinesh Joshi 24 Jul '06

24 Jul '06

Hi guys, I've installed Skype-1.2.0.18 on my FC2 system. It worked out of the box. But the problem is that voice breaks a lot to such an extent that a decent conversation becomes impossible. I am NATed behind my own router. I've forwarded all ports above 1024 and allowed UDP on them. I have 64Kbps connection but the latency is high on my connection. I get more like 48-56Kbps speeds. As I understand Skype isn't very bandwidth efficient. Can someone point me to a better VoIP software or some hacks so that Skype plays nicely with my connection? Thanks. -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Indian governments blocking blogspot, geocities,
by Amish Mehta 24 Jul '06

24 Jul '06

Philip Tellis wrote: > >Sometime on Jul 20, Amish Mehta assembled some asciibets to say: > >> 1) Make your DNS server host blogspot.com and redirect ALL port 53 >> traffic to it and block blockedblog.blogspot.com requests. > > User can use an alternate DNS server Well thats why I said redirect port 53. When port 53 is redirected alternate DNS would not work as user expects. >> 3) Just like ip_conntrack_ftp module which tracks PORT commands, >> develope ip_conntrack_http module which tracks HTTP "Host:" header >> and blocks the blocked sites. > > User can use HTTP/1.0 which does not require the Host: header unless > going through a proxy. General users do not know how to do all that. There are many other ways to access sites too. Anonymous proxies (not necessarily running on port 80), SOCKS and all which is too tough to block. But most of people do not know all that. And if one is expert to do that, which means that person is doing something which is banned by Government and hence illegal so can get himself arrested. Amish.

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Commercial: JOb Opening for the post of GM - IT (domain: Open Source)
by AISHWARYA 23 Jul '06

23 Jul '06

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Re: lug meet
by Roshan 23 Jul '06

23 Jul '06

> I'd been trying to arrange for an alternate venue > this time, at Press > Club instead of HBCSE. I was unable to coordinate > with Mr. Shiv as he > went to aurangabad on an assignment. So, as of today > its undecided if > we are going to have lug meet (this weekend is > surely no possible). > > I'll let the list know if there is any progress in > this regard. Btw, > would it be okay to have meet at HBCSE instead of an > alternate venue? It is ok if it is at HBCSE. I say this because I live in Ghatkopar. I'm interested to meet LUG members. The last I had attended was in February. :( __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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CG Technology Meetup: Rhythm & Hues India
by Samuel Nair 23 Jul '06

23 Jul '06

Hi, This might be interesting to people who want to know about how a VFX company uses Linux. Rhythm & Hues has worked on movies like 'Chronicles of Narnia', 'Superman Returns' and many more. http://www.asifaindia.com/ Rhythm & Hues India home page: www.rhythm.in Sam!!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Indian governments blocking blogspot, geocities,
by Amish Mehta 23 Jul '06

23 Jul '06

Devdas Bhagat wrote: > >On 20/07/06 09:06 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> On 20-Jul-06, at 12:50 AM, Harsh Busa wrote: >> >> >saw on some TV channel that govt is refining the order to only certain >> >blogs of blogspot and parts of other sites. >> >> which cant be done >> >It *can*. It isn't impossible. Just economically infeasible. > >Devdas Bhagat Three ways to do this and not at all expensive: 1) Make your DNS server host blogspot.com and redirect ALL port 53 traffic to it and block blockedblog.blogspot.com requests. 2) Use transparent proxy which also does SNAT, back to original IP for outgoing packets. 3) Just like ip_conntrack_ftp module which tracks PORT commands, develope ip_conntrack_http module which tracks HTTP "Host:" header and blocks the blocked sites. 3rd option seems to be much more easy (and technically sound as it would require no redirection/NAT) once code is developed and can also be implemented on router chip. Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Wireless LAN hacking.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

>> I am trying to configure my Wireless LAN in such a way that it can >> route packets from other nodes to a access points, so that nodes >> outside the reach of the access point can route their packets through >> my card. I understand that I need to put my card into Ad-hoc mode for >> this to work. >> >> However, >> # iwconfig eth1 mode Ad-Hoc >> # service network restart >> fails to look up IP information for my card. DHCP is configured in >> the network. I have tried to put the card in Auto and Repeater mode >> too through iwconfig, with the same results. Funnily the >> configuration file at /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth1 >> still showed the mode as Managed even when I had set it to Repeater. >> Manually changing the setting did not yield anything fruitful. >> >> I am using Fedora Core 5, 2.6.16 kernel, and my card only supports >> 802.11b not 802.11g. >> >> Any idea? > Ok...did you check whether your wifi card is binding with the other > node? Unless it binds, it wont get an IP address. How do I check that? Cheers, Debarshi -- -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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lug meet
by Philip Tellis 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

is there a lug meet this weekend? btw, the website still advertises the april lug meet. philip

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Linus does not matter to the World anymore ?
by Raseel Bhagat 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

Wassup ppl, The following article contains 2 lists : People who matter most in the World and the people who don't. Interestingly, Linus Torvalds , the President of Sony and Rob Malda (who gave us Slashdot) are in the latter list. http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/21/technology/10dontmatter.biz2/index.htm Thanks, Rasee. Raseel http://osd.byethost8.com/ http://raseel.livejournal.com

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Fwd: Can anyone here convert a miniDV to Ogg Theora?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Stallman <rms(a)gnu.org> Date: 21-Jul-2006 21:51 Subject: Can anyone here convert a miniDV to Ogg Theora? To: gnu-prog(a)gnu.org If you know how to do this, please send me email. _______________________________________________ GNU Maintainers Announcement List gnu-prog(a)gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-prog -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Fwd: Indian governments blocking blogspot, geocities, and other sites.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

Here is RMS' reaction on coming to know about the recent blockages by Indian ISPs. Cheers, Debarshi ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Stallman <rms(a)gnu.org> Date: 18-Jul-2006 19:07 Subject: Re: Indian governments blocking blogspot, geocities, and other sites. To: Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray <debarshi.ray(a)gmail.com> Thanks. Doesn't India recognize human rights that would prohibit this censorship?

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Your 2p on vmsplice() [was Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus does not matter to the World anymore ?]
by Mohan Nayaka 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

On 7/19/06, Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 19 Jul 2006 06:18:00 -0000, Raseel Bhagat > <raseelbhagat(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/21/technology/10dontmatter.biz2/index.htmHasLi… really outgrown Linus? He still seems to exercise a lot of > control to try and keep the kernel slim. The recent COW vs vmsplice() > debate for example. Here it is: > > http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 > > > Siddhesh > > PS: Rob Malda (CmdrTaco) of Slashdot is also on that list. > > -- > http://siddhesh.tk > > -- > http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > Hi Tanmay, your thoughts on this? (i mean the vmsplice issue) i only understood that part where Linus slams page table invalidates on other processors in the system. i will read up about this (vm) & see. Regards, Mohan S N -- There will be plenty of time to rest in the grave. - Paul Erdos

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Technology against terrorism.
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

Hello All, I have been pondering over some ideas to use technology against terrorism. Please keep this thread related to technology only without getting into Govt. bashing. The ideas have been borrowed from the old kings and emperors as well as server room security. The first part deals with providing wireless ID cards to all citizens of India, starting with all the cities and going into the villages. These cards can be radio, magnetic or plain optical like the bar code stickers that are momentarily scanned before a red light scanner. The optical option is the cheapest and is already used in shops for making final bills. Every railway station complex should be sealed and everyone entering the station must produce their ID card to be scanned for keeping a record of everyone entering and exiting the complex. Along with that, they must face a camera that records their faces too. No ID card means no entry. The same security system can be used in all public complexes like Govt. offices, schools, colleges. Even BEST buses can be fillted with these scanners at the entrance and exit of the bus. Anyway, most buses are single decker and allow only one thin person or half fat person to enter at a time. That way we will also learn to queue properly and the passengers can get in like humans instead of being herded like cattle by the conductors doing an early `ting ting'. The other part is to use the security system that old kings and emperors used. They created walled cities where entry and exit was restricted by guards manning the fort gates. All major cities can put up an international-border grade barbed wire fence with gates for entry and exit. Everyone entering and exiting the city must provide an ID card and also be photographed for records. Some system should also be in place for outstation trains to go through this check. Every foreigner who lands in India must get a temporary ID card made at the airport to be used just like other Indian ID cards. Whenever there is any terrorist strike or a major armed robbery/dacoity etc., the gates will be shut for some hours, preventing the culprits from simply walking away and catching the next train to freedom. This is inconvenient, but a good deterrent. Extra checking will be done after that to scan all those who leave after any attack. Well thats all for now, any comments or suggestions? Positive or negative, all invited. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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SELF project at HBCSE, TIFR
by Nagarjuna G. 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

The forwarded mail informs about the project that HBCSE, TIFR will be part of in promoting free software and generating documentation. If free software hackers are intersted in joining the team please send me a mail off the list, with a note saying in what way can you contribute. The link http://www.selfproject.eu/ and http://www.selfproject.eu/kickoff provides more info. Nagarjuna ----- Forwarded message from Wouter Tebbens <w.tebbens(a)staff.isoc.nl> ----- > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:10:35 +0200 > From: Wouter Tebbens <w.tebbens(a)staff.isoc.nl> > Subject: [Self-l] Completely booked SELF Conference in The Hague (10 july) > To: SELF mailinglist <self-l(a)selfplatform.org> > Reply-To: w.tebbens(a)staff.isoc.nl, > General SELF mailinglist <self-l(a)selfplatform.org> > Organization: ISOC-SELF > User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 > > Many of you have been there on this very inspiring first SELF Conference and > kick-off of the project. For those of you who have missed it, find here a > short summary, and links to presentations on the website: > > http://www.selfproject.eu/kickoff > > On Monday the 10th of July Internet Society Netherlands organised in The Hague > a completely booked conference about Free Software and education and how the > creation of open content revolutionizes our societies. Vice-mayor of the City > of The Hague, Frits Huffnagel opened the day with an inspiring speech about > the need for innovation through the use of Free Software > > Speakers were amongst others: > > * Jan Willem Broekema (OSOSS) > > * dr. Nagarjuna G. > (project leader Knowledge platforms Homi Bhabha Center for Science > Education, India) > > * Georg Greve (president FSF Europe, Germany) > > See his bio or download presentation PDF > * Mathias Klang (project leader Creative Commons Sweden) > > * David Megias (coordinator Master Free Software UOC, Spain) > > * Wouter Tebbens (Internet Society Nederland, project leader SELF) > > Besides there were panel discussions with national and international experts, > like prof. dr. Paul Klint (CWI), drs. Marja Verstelle (Leiden University), > Joep van Nieuwstadt (Exin), Jonas ?berg (Free Software Foundation Europe), > Martijn Verver (VPRO New Media), Thijs Chanowski, Michael van Wetering > (KennisNet), Leo Besemer (ECDL), Tom Dousma (SURF) and prof. Kees Stuurman > (University of Tilburg). > > The event marked at the same time the official launch of the ambitious SELF > project that will setup an international platform for educational and > training material about Free Software and Open Standards with the financial > support from the European Commission. > > The focus of the platform is on material about Free Software and knowledge > creation about open standards. ISOC.nl leads the international consortium > with strong partners from the rest of Europe (amongst which some universities > and the Free Software Foundation Europe), India and Argentina. S.E.L.F. > stands for Science, Education and Learning in Freedom. > > This first SELF Conference was supported by the Open Source agency from the > Dutch goverment, Programme OSOSS, the city of The Hague and the European > Commission. > > _______________________________________________ > Self-l mailing list > Self-l(a)selfplatform.org > http://mail.selfplatform.org/mailman/listinfo/self-l_selfplatform.org ----- End forwarded message -----

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Can we have some GNU/Linux discussions here ? [OT]
by Mitul Limbani 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

Over the past two weeks its getting worse. List Admins, please moderate the list for all things that dont talk of GNU/Linux. Well feel free to moderate this mail too, but if it reaches the list, then I am requesting fella Gnuers to stop posting things that are completely irrevalant to the above topic. Please REFRAIN from posting on threads which are already overdue to close, we respect your right of expression, but this is not the forum to post about the same. Thanks & Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder & CEO, Enterux Solutions, The Enterprise Linux Company (TM), www.enterux.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [COMMERCIAL]Embedded Systems training
by hemendra jain 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

>What exactly is "embedded Systems training" An embedded system has specific requirements and performs pre-defined tasks, unlike a general-purpose personal computer. Simple e.g: Microntroller.. We can program 8051 to control a particular task - say monitor an intrusion and sound an alarm.. So, all the circuitry,including 8051 chip would together form an Embedded Systems to achieve a predefined task. Nowadays,Embedded Systems encpmpasses a lot of things like RTOS, for controlling a Real Time System... Device Drivers for controlling devices.. e.g PCI, USB-based ------------------------------------------- >Since we have taken the trouble to reply and your >credibility is in doubt? I can provide the required certificate and references..... --------------------------------------- >why dont u post the course details in a >single mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The courses we offer have the following benefits: -----------------------------------------------------------------------Course Fees: Both the courses Rs 3000/- Courses would be held : Saturday OR/AND Sunday, Course duration: Approx 30 ~ 35 hours. --------------------------------------------------------------------- RTLinux: topics covered 1. Basics of Real Time systems. 2. Types of Real Time systems 3. Need of an RTOS ,Role of an RTOS 4. Basics of an RTOS 5. OS Concepts 6. RTLinux Installation 7. RTLinux Architecture 8. Pthread programming 9. RTLinux programming 10. RTLinux practicals: Using a simple LED board with interrupts. -----------------------------------------------------------------------What we provide: 1. RTLinux CDs 2. Embedded CD: 3. RT Notes: -----------------------------------------------------------------------Projects: We have various project materials for RTLinux Assistance would be given to the students who are interested but would not be part of the curriculum. -------------------------------------------------------------------- About me: I have taught in Soft Origin, Dadar for a period Jan - June, 2005. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >That way those interested will get in touch, doubting >thomases like me and Mukund will try and shred it in one go, and many >others will jump to defend you. > I absolutely agree with you JTD and clarification is the only way we can sort out things... --------------------------------------------- For SN Embedded: Hemendra Jain (98205 65918)

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Wireless LAN hacking.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

I am trying to configure my Wireless LAN in such a way that it can route packets from other nodes to a access points, so that nodes outside the reach of the access point can route their packets through my card. I understand that I need to put my card into Ad-hoc mode for this to work. However, # iwconfig eth1 mode Ad-Hoc # service network restart fails to look up IP information for my card. DHCP is configured in the network. I have tried to put the card in Auto and Repeater mode too through iwconfig, with the same results. Funnily the configuration file at /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth1 still showed the mode as Managed even when I had set it to Repeater. Manually changing the setting did not yield anything fruitful. I am using Fedora Core 5, 2.6.16 kernel, and my card only supports 802.11b not 802.11g. Any idea? Thanks, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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[COMMERCIAL]Embedded Systems training
by hemendra jain 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

Hi Friends, We are into arranging Embedded Systems training. Current courses offered: 1. RTLinux (RTOS) 2. Linux Device Driver. Students who are interested in making careers in Embedded Systems. This course would be of immense help. Courses would be taught by industry professionals. -The RATES we offer are comparatively CHEAPER. Have QUERIES ? Hemendra Jain (98205 65918) We also provide 8051 and Other RTOS training .

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Indian governments blocking blogspot, geocities,
by Amish Mehta 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 20/07/06 12:49 +0530, Amish Mehta wrote: >> Three ways to do this and not at all expensive: >> 1) Make your DNS server host blogspot.com and redirect ALL >> port 53 traffic to it and block blockedblog.blogspot.com >> requests. > If you want to be authoritative for blogspot.com, then you > have to deal with every domain under it as well. You would > merely want to be authoritative for blockedhost.blogspot.com, > which is trivially circumventable with /etc/hosts. blockedblog is just an example. /etc/hosts wont work as you need entry for each subdomain. DNS wildcards or DNS forwarders can be setup easily. >> 2) Use transparent proxy which also does SNAT, back to >> original IP for outgoing packets. > And which works at Gigabit speeds and has vendor backing. Didnt get you, but anyway this wasn't my recommended way either. But can work for small ISPs. >> 3) Just like ip_conntrack_ftp module which tracks PORT commands, >> develop ip_conntrack_http module which tracks HTTP "Host:" >> header and blocks the blocked sites. > And then make the system even more complex by routing stuff > to a Linux box. Unless you think that ISPs run Linux boxes for > their ATM and SONET circuits? This is an idea/method (with ip_conntrack as analogy). And doesnt generally pertain to Linux. Many routers do protocol (VPN, Skype, MSN etc) based "packet" filtering. Writing a code for HTTP filtering and implementing it on chip is no big deal. I dont think it adds any kind of complexity. a) Idea is capture packet on port 80. b) Analyse "Host:" header. c) Check acl d) Block or pass. Amish.

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[OT] Blogspot back online
by Aparna Appaiah 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

FYI, I have just observed that my ISP (MTNL Mumbai) allows me to view pages at Blogspot.com. However, when I tried the blocked pages, I got a "Connection refused". Aparna -- Aparna Appaiah

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[COMMERCIAL]Linux Course contents
by hemendra jain 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

Dear Friends, We are a start-up Embedded Systems training: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SN Embedded Systems. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The contents for the course on Linux Device Drivers 1. Device Driver Fundamentals 2 Module Programming in Linux 3 Writing a Character Device Driver 4 New Interface for Character Drivers in 2.6 kernel 5 Blocking IO 6 Handling Memory 7 Interrupt Handling 8 Basics of PCI bus 9 Writing a PCI driver (USB drivers and network drivers can also be discussed if required) -------------------------------------------------------------------- What we provide: 1. Linux CDs - Which includes a Red Hat 8.0/9.0 for students to install and practice Linux Device Driver programming at home. 2. Embedded CD: Which includes - Linux Device Driver concepts - Linux Commands - Linux Installation Guide - Various Device Driver Module examples 3. Notes: which covers - Linux Device Driver - the basics, concepts,architecture and programming examples -------------------------------------------------------------------- Courses would be held : Saturday OR/AND Sunday Course Fees: Rs. 3000/- Course duration: Approx 30 ~ 35 hours. Have queries ? contact us. For SN Embedded: Hemendra Jain (98205 65918) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 jtd wrote : >On Thursday 20 July 2006 10:29 pm, Mitul Limbani wrote: > > > This would be like asking a woodcutter to give away the art of > > cutting wood along with axe. > > > > Wood Cutter would only be interested to train on how to cut wood > > the best way and not the Axe :) > >More like drawings for making good axe for use with our certified and >proven great techniqe. Not exactly giving away the axe. > >-- >Rgds >JTD > >-- >http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Offtopic and Irrelevant Threads
by Linuxers Admin 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

Dear List Members, In the past two weeks we've been having way too many irrelevent threads which have degnerated into threads condemning indian government, actions taken by police, bomb blasts and terrorism, hindu/muslim unity, other random issues. These threads have absolutely no relevence on a GLUG mailing list. In the spirit of freedom and mutual understanding, i request the list members themselves to refrain from posting threads which are absolutely irrelevant or communal in nature. Please do not force the list administrator to implement content blocking on this mailing list. -- thanks List Admin

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [COMMERCIAL]Embedded Systems training
by hemendra jain 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

>Well, if you really want to teach embedded system, visit my web site> >http://betacomp.com/embedded.html for embedded hardware running >linux. As I said earlier in Bombay if you surf News papers, Embedded Systems Training, mostly includes training in RTOS,8051,etc... That is why the term "Embedded Systems" is used so that It would be easy for people to identify the courses normally offered. I also agree, Embedded Linux is a part of Embedded Systems. Rgds, Hemendra Jain (98205 65918) On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 Mukund Deshmukh wrote : > >Why fool the innocent souls.... > >Well Mukund, I had taught in Embedded Systems Institutes and know how much >it costs just to get training in RTOS. > > >Rgds, > >Hemendra Jain > > >Well, if you really want to teach embedded system, visit my web site >http://betacomp.com/embedded.html for embedded hardware running linux. > >Best Regards, > >Mukund Deshmukh. >Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd >10/1, IT Park, Parsodi, >Nagpur-440022 >Cell - 9422113746 > > > > >-- >http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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[jobs] [commercial] sys admin
by Harsh Busa 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

There is opening for System Administrator for Pinstorm Technologies [ pinstorm.com ] Job Requirements · Ability to understand technical problems, and to make quick decisions. · Redhat / SUSE / Ubuntu Linux administration · Working knowledge of Windows administration · Soft Skills o Strong interest in technology. o Able to make decisions regarding technology o Excellent verbal and written communication skills.. The Job Installation, Configuration & Management Configuration and administration Linux systems. Monitoring servers & services Log monitoring & reporting. Troubleshooting complex panic issues. Automation:Identifying manual/repetitive tasks and automating it. Documentation : Documenting processes, troubleshooting information, problems and their resolutions. Research & Development Constantly self-update technical know-how with respect to hosting industry. Understand tools & technologies used by system administrators. Experience 1-2 yrs experience in Linux System Administration. Please mail directly to resume(a)pinstorm.com subject [JOBS] System Admin Regards Harsh Busa -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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[OT] [Humour] on block-heads
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

>From an American friend on another list: Based on the fact that the US has captured terrorist documents, how long before we can reasonably expect to see the Indian government prohibiting pen and paper from being sold? :) Ken DiPietro New-ISP.net/NextGenCommunications.net Wireless solutions - not concessions.

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Samba problem in FC5
by ssnilu2001＠rediffmail.com 20 Jul '06

20 Jul '06

HiI have installed FC5 on one system. When I access in windows PC after few seconds it stops accing that PC. When I saw in Net Watcher of that windows system then i found hundred connections from my Linux PC. Because of this that windows PC goes out from LAN.What should i do to stop this ?Please helpRegardsNeelesh

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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [COMMERCIAL]Embedded Systems training
by hemendra jain 20 Jul '06

20 Jul '06

Dear Mukund, >Embedded Linux refers to the use of the Linux operating system in >embedded >systems such as cell phones, Pads, media player handsets, and other >consumer electronics devices. I did not mention Embedded Linux. It is Embedded Systems Training, as popularly know in Bombay. And under that a lot of courses are conducted - RTLinux - Linux Device Driver are part of it. >Why fool the innocent souls.... Well Mukund, I had taught in Embedded Systems Institutes and know how much it costs just to get training in RTOS. Rgds, Hemendra Jain On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 Mukund Deshmukh wrote : >Dear Hemendra Jain > > > >What hardware? > >And why not uclinux, ecos? > > >For RTLinux, the development host and target machine could be the same.. >e.g say Intel machine. So , it does not require >any particular type of >hardware. > > > >Then what is embedded for ? > >As per the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_Linux) definition of >embedded linux is > >Embedded Linux refers to the use of the Linux operating system in embedded >systems such as cell phones, Pads, media player handsets, and other >consumer electronics devices. > >Why fool the innocent souls.... > > >Best Regards, > >Mukund Deshmukh. >Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd >10/1, IT Park, Parsodi, >Nagpur-440022 >Cell - 9422113746 > > > > > > > >-- >http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [COMMERCIAL]Embedded Systems training
by hemendra jain 20 Jul '06

20 Jul '06

Dear Mukund, >What hardware? >And why not uclinux, ecos? For RTLinux, the development host and target machine could be the same.. e.g say Intel machine. So , it does not require any particular type of hardware. Rgds, Hemendra Jain 98205 65918 (SN Embedded) On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 Mukund Deshmukh wrote : > >Hi Friends, > > We are into arranging Embedded Systems training. > > >Current courses offered: > > >1. RTLinux (RTOS) > >2. Linux Device Driver. > >What hardware? >And why not uclinux, ecos? > > >Best Regards, > >Mukund Deshmukh. >Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd >10/1, IT Park, Parsodi, >Nagpur-440022 >Cell - 9422113746 > > > >-- >http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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[Commercial]RTLinux course
by hemendra jain 20 Jul '06

20 Jul '06

Dear Friends, We are a start-up Embedded Systems training: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SN Embedded Systems. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The courses we offer have the following benefits: -----------------------------------------------------------------------Course Fees: Both the courses Rs 3000/- Courses would be held : Saturday OR/AND Sunday, Course duration: Approx 30 ~ 35 hours. --------------------------------------------------------------------- RTLinux: topics covered 1. Basics of Real Time systems. 2. Types of Real Time systems 3. Need of an RTOS ,Role of an RTOS 4. Basics of an RTOS 5. OS Concepts 6. RTLinux Installation 7. RTLinux Architecture 8. Pthread programming 9. RTLinux programming 10. RTLinux practicals: Using a simple LED board with interrupts. -----------------------------------------------------------------------What we provide: 1. RTLinux CDs 2. Embedded CD: 3. RT Notes: -----------------------------------------------------------------------Projects: We have various project materials for RTLinux Assistance would be given to the students who are interested but would not be part of the curriculum. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Have queries ? contact us. For SN Embedded: Hemendra Jain (98205 65918)

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pass on to friends and publicise ...
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 20 Jul '06

20 Jul '06

Friends and sympathisers have created the http://www.inblog.net solution for indian bloggers and internet users, and please forward this to your contacts as well. fyi, check: http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2006/07/19/inblogsnet-slap-the-block-for-india… Vickram

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OpenGL X Desktop
by Mrugesh Karnik 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Check this beauty out: http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi Mrugesh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus does not matter to the World anymore ?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

> where is Richard Stallman..?... he is who popularized open source and the > founder of GNU and FOSS.. but he is not there on any of the list.. Richard M. Stallman did not popularize Open Source. He is the founder of GNU and the pioneer of the Free Software Movement. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html Regards, Debarshi ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Indian governments blocking blogspot, geocities, and other sites.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

>> Here is RMS' reaction on coming to know about the recent blockages by >> Indian ISPs. > I know it sucks but what is TOR good for then ;) What is TOR? Regards, Debarshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Indian governments blocking blogspot, geocities, and other sites.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Check out http://www.pkblogs.com/. Cheers, Debarshi

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ifup & ifdown
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

> Just curious to know, what do the ifup and ifdown commands do? Can they be used? They are scripts to bring a network interface up and down. ifup eth0 <=> ifconfig eth0 up ifdown eth0 <=> ifconfig eth0 down However I have never opened the ifup and ifdown scripts to make sure that they are identical to the ifconfig commands above. Cheers, Debarshi

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[Commercial] AMC for Linux based systems
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Hi guys, Please let me know if there are any GNU/Linux AMC guys for home/small businesses. I have two computers that will need attending to, mostly for troubleshooting and regular updates while I'm away. I live in Mira Road. Please contact me offlist with rates and service details. Thanks and Regards, Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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Disabling DHCP at startup
by Aparna Appaiah 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Dear List, I connect and disconnect to the internet using etc/init.d/networking start|stop. When I switch on my PC, DHCP automatically gets connected at startup. How can I avoid this? I am using Debian Sarge. Regards, Aparna -- Aparna Appaiah

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Linux not allowed in DCA
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Hi guys, They are back at it again. The Department of Company Affair (DCA) is a part of the ministry of finance. They have converted all their offline sysetems, forms, etc to online where you can make applications, file documents, etc connected with private and public limited companies. To make life simpler, they have come up with the concept of a PFO (an outsourced Public Front Office). That means, if you are qualified and meet their criteria, you can set up a small facility (you need 2-5 pcs, scanners, internet connection, etc) where people can come and use your facility to do the online with with DCA. First, people who do not have things like digital signature can use the facility to get their work done, and those who do not want to spend time figuring out how to use the system can come and use your facilty as your office staff will fill it in for them. There will be no need for anyone to go to the Registror of Companies (ROC) or the office of DCA. This will become more important in smaller cities where ROC office is not there and currently people are travelling to ROC offices. Also the PFO will help in issue of Company Director Identity numbers, digital signatures, etc. The rules for this has been issued in June 2006 as a part of the DCA-21 project. The rules specifically say that you MUST have PCs with Windows XP or Windows 2000 professional loaded on the PCs or you are not eligible for setting up the front office. So, you can not use a Linux based system though it would be more than able to do what the DCA PFO is being asked to do. I hope Dr. Nagarjuna and others can take this up to the government. I can provide anyone who needs, a copy of the rules as they have been published in the Management Accounting Journal. Regards Saswata

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[Commercial] System Administrator
by Jeetendra 18 Jul '06

18 Jul '06

Mumabi - LUG, There is opening for System Administrator Level 1 in my company Job Requirements · Ability to understand technical problems, and to make quick decisions. · Ability to work in shifts · Redhat ES Linux server administration · Windows 2000/2003 server administration · Soft Skills o Strong interest in technology. o Able to make decisions regarding technology o Understanding of strategic plan of organization o Understanding of organizations mission o Excellent verbal and written communication skills. o Strong customer service and computer skills. o Initiatives The Job Installation, Configuration & Management Configuration and administration of all corporate Windows and Linux systems. Monitoring servers & services Applying patches as released. Log monitoring & reporting. Troubleshooting complex support issues. Help desk management Handle customer calls & support requests. Handle in-house user requests. Automation Identifying manual/repetitive tasks and automating it. Documentation Documenting processes, troubleshooting information, problems and their resolutions. Vendor management Co-ordinate with data centers to troubleshoot network, system & hardware problems. Co-ordinate with ISP's, Office infrastructure related vendors in resolving issues related to Internet connectivity, Phone lines etc. Escalate problems internally to superiors as well as with vendors superiors according to the escalation charts defined. Research & Development Constantly self-update technical know-how with respect to hosting industry. Understand tools & technologies used by system administrators. Miscellaneous tasks Coordinating with developers and getting bugs fixed, features added. Following technical processes. Handle delegated tasks. Experience 0-1.5 yrs experience in Linux/Windows System Administration. Past experience in a hosting company preferable. Interested candidate please send e-mails on follwoing e-mail ID: jeetendra.p(a)directi.com Regards Jeetendra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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LFY Debian DVD
by jtd 18 Jul '06

18 Jul '06

Works as usual. Except that alsa seems to have a problem. Upgraded kernel to 2.6.17-3. everything ok. I wanted sdiscover to skip probing the pci bus. but disable pci in discover.conf. discover-autoskip.conf and discover.conf-2.6 does not seem to have any effect. -- Rgds JTD

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