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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:46, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > >On Saturday 01 January 2005 10:51, Saswata Banerjee wrote: > >>you seem to have lost the context here. Manoj is not talking of > >>large businesses but small players without tech skill. > >>Pricing is decided by competition and you do not have luxary of > >>adding up all costs. The cost has to be minimise. > > > >U are trying to compete with robbery. where does the question of > You have again missed the basics and the point. > We talk of piracy. And we talk of helping a cyber cafe owner switch > to linux. To make him switch you talk of cost of MS software. But > he is getting the software free due to piracy. What alternate is > there ? I did not miss the point at all. If u accept that cafewalla's pirated software cost is zero and let him get away with that, then the only cost left is the downtime due to viruses and security issues. Security is not exactly a priority for cybercafes. So the service guy comes in at off peak hrs. (not sure if there is such a thing tho) and formats and reinstalls stuff on lets say 2 pcs - that's 1.5 hrs. And he does this on a regular basis. So a linux guy will now have to charge less than this. I am quite sure that the Linux guy has opportunity to make a lot more money than this. So the economics of ignoring piracy is a very bad thing for GNU/Linux > The bank HAS to buy the software and pay so he will be > willing to switch to linux to save cost. The cyber cafe has no such > compulsion because for him paying the hafta is a cheaper way out. I assure you hafta has great buoyancy and rises faster than a rocket. So it is a good (yeah the sickness is getting to me) thing. > He cannot pay for the software he needs ?? > because it will take his cost up which he cannot afford. H But u r offering him a very affordable alternative. Only thing is his customer does not care and neither does he since gyping billy boy is not in his equation. Security, reliability etc work when the owner is the enduser. This is true even for banks and other organisations. Go to the It dept. and they will give u a trillion reasons for the status quo. Go to the end user and things change dramatically. However even this has changed to point where the generalisation is not true. > > Think commercials. Nothing else will work. All other approaches > will only result in people wasting their valuable tme which can be > put to better use. Exactly. The cyber cafe seems to me a waste of time as a commercial propostion unless someone is willing to work at slave labour rates. Or add the cyber cafe revenue as opportunity bonus to an existing linux service catering to more up market clients by using the cybercafe as a training ground. The advocacy for cafewalas thingy by the lugs does not gel. It will be better addressed by (????????????????)

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Re: Device drivers
by santosh rao 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pankaj Dekate <whoispankaj(a)gmail.com> > To: hemendra jain <jain_hemendra123(a)rediffmail.com>, "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:58:49 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux device driver program. > > > > In that regards,would like to form a team of enthusiasts who are interested in writing Linux Device Drivers. > > > what about newbies in linux device drivers?are they allowed? > > Pankaj hi pankaj, i agree with u pankaj, wht about newbis like us. like me for example. i also would like to try and learn as much more as possible about linux and kernel programmin. wht about us ? how can we be more involved in projects like this. and just for information, "writing device drivers" for which hardware ? -- "He who fights monsters should look to it that he himself does not become one." - Friedrich Nietzche regards santosh rao

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic now quite OT
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

On Tuesday 04 January 2005 15:09, Rony Bill wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 11:06, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Dear Jude, > > We are deviating from the original topic. This is, the ease of > installation and setup of M$ compared to Linux. We are not. The original topic was 1) is windows popular because it is easy / better / secure yak yak to use Ans. No windowss not easy, ( i still cant install my LICENSED win98 properly - it keeps crashing - and I do have the experience 24 yrs in the pc industry starting with z80 2 Mhz sbc, then the miracle - I assembled an 8088-4.77 that is 4770000 Hz 128KB ram with GW basic in 32k rom and 10MB hd, and a keyboard that would put a gladiator's shield to shame - sob jaane kahan gaye woh din. And the mouse came 4 months later without a driver i wrote an assembly lang driver hah ha) better, or even popular it is become so because of illegal bussiness practices. The long list of court cases shows why (but ofcourse u have to read and understand that link rather than click here and there randomly ) 2) Is it ok to use pirate software particularly by small bussinesses Ans. It is not and not just because u have a completely superior, orders of magnitude cheaper completely legal alternative. 3) Random points about providing service without ability to do so Ans. Dont do ANYTHING without ability particularly when u charge for the thing. 4) Stupid attempts to paper over piracy for personal gain Ans. Rebuttal of this and to show that the pirate needs no mercy at all. 5) Simplistic and totally wrong inference about kernel, distro, hardware, drivers, and applications. Ans: get informed before diving into the deep end. The rebuttal requires the reader have basic understanding of these issues. And finally why am i flogging this topic so much. Ans. because u and many others shifting from windows to GNU/linux just dont seem to understand the difference between fact and your version of it. Nor do you realise that u are doing nobody a favour in switching over to GNU/linux. And that lack of knowledge and skill can be easily corrected with only a little effort. And if u are doing bussiness the rules changed a few yrs ago. Amen

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

On Tuesday 04 January 2005 00:46, Rony Bill wrote: > On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 12:00, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > In short M$ is widely used not because it's easy but because of a > > whole history of piracy and illegal practices. And they did not > > make the pc popular. It was the low cost Taiwanese manufacturer > > who provided a platform for software like dos, wordstar, > > wordperfect, lotus123, gemplus, dbase, Turbo pascal, etc. And > > they existed BEFORE msdos and windows3.0. > > They have existed but it is windows that became a household name. Did u bother to read that link. If not here it is once again. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20041228040645419 Read it before u try to enter a debate. > Go to the various homes and small offices and ask them what is > windows and ask them the list of the above mentioned software. How > windows became popular, by begging, borrowing or stealing is > besides the point. That is the point. And the key argument on wether M$ became popular due to ease of use, innovative technology or plain old theving and skullduggery. > > I had faced a panic situation when I wiped out a client's partition > table in order to simply remove a partition virus. His tally, mail > and docs were in it. Luckily I recovered the files and saved my ass > and even got paid for it. I am not claiming that windows is the > best, I am only saying its the simplest to learn and get familiar > with. Give newbies linux to install, configure and use and do the > same experiment with windows. Newbies are not supposed to install and configure YOU are supposed to install and configure the system as per his requirements. > > Thats the whole issue Mr. Holmes. By the way my name is Jude Terrence D'souza (Terrence to most) > I don't need a REAL education in > computers and software to learn windows. Its simple to pick up and > easy to get around. I never went to any class to learn windows. That is why I said u need to educate yourself about computers and oses Windows is not an OS it is honey pot for worms and viruses. I would not ask my worst enemy to "educate" himself in windows. > > Egos and high pedestals will get us nowhere. But lack of knowledge and refusal to learn will get u somewhere - to the bottom of a very deep hole. > Programmers are very intelligent and smart and should be worshipped > as Gods. Like the > one for Amitabh Bachan, we can even build temples dedicated to > them. But we should not forget that the most endearing and popular > actors are those that became one with the masses, who felt the > pulse of the masses and gave the masses what they wanted. More nonsense. U place the real facts as they are. The masses will make a choice as opposed to hiding things and publishing ads on tv in Hindi about security of -oh-so-wormerful windows.Piracy has got nothing to do with civil disobdience. Since u are so woefully misinformed here is the difference. Piracy is when u take something which does not belong to you AND is explicitly prohibited by law AND u have an alternative for whatever it is u were pirating AND u hide the fact. Civil disobdience is protesting some law which takes away your right as given to you under the constitution AND u do so in the open AND u make it a point to inform the authorities about your protest. Now as a champion of piracy let's see u pirate a copy of windows at Churchgate (or Azad Maidan asumming u could get your other friendly pirates in sufficient numbers to participate), preceeded by a press release and letter to NASSCOM, M$, Cybercafe owners assoc., etc. That would qualify you in a few yrs time to be put on a pedestal. It also shows that u are all ready to greedily take what the FOSS community and programmer offers without wanting to acknowledge their contributions or making the slightest effort to learn and overcome your limited and incomplete understanding of computers, oses, and the history and politics behind the current state of affairs in the computing industry. I have only pity for the likes of u. When I started using FOSS I too was (almost) in the same boat as u but I took the effort and time to get my facts in place before offering opinions based on wrong information. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

//Your message to Linuxers awaits moderator approval From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in To: sherlock(a)vsnl.com Your mail to 'Linuxers' with the subject Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic now quite OT Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.// Moderator could u please release this to the list. The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 9058 bytes with a limit of 7 KB On Wednesday 05 January 2005 18:56, Ashish Saboo wrote: Please do not cc me i am already on the list. > Terrence, > I for one certainly look forward for a " Real Education " & > this is the reason I am on this mailing list. Here I am > highlighting and not advocating the reason of why most opt for > Piracy. Great. > The Cyber cafe people are not alone in this piracy game > but over 70% of windows XP installation in India are not paid . Do > read this interesting article by Rishab Aiyer Ghosh > http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue8_12/ghosh/ > > While in USA it will cost a mere 0.19 times a common man's monthly > earning but in India it is 1.70 Months earning ! ie approx 9 times > costly . despite it The piracy rate is 25% in US v/s 70% in India. > Ever Wonder why 70% of people are ready to steal ? . > By taking the shortcut they may have ensured their survival but > have self restrained their progress. and when you seek redressal , > you need to obey the system, This one act has stopped many to be a > part of the main stream. The only way out for this is as you > suggest whack them well & the outcome is many are leaving this > opportunity . So what many more will see opportunity and come in with the right skills and without pirating. If any thing it will gett better for FOSS. > The ultimate loser may not be the small entrepreneur > but the whole IT Industry. How come??. More Foss users is going to improve the situation by retaining wealth within the area generating the service. > While a Home computer may at best > support 4 users. The Internet cafes offer the multiplier effect Yeah I am not disputing that > . FLOSS has its advantage , provided you > techies sieze the opportunity. Most already have. Welcome to the real world ;-). >. Let me know we have our wish list ready :) My mail addressing precisely this is in moderation due to size. Moderator could u please post it to the list rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic now quite OT
by Vickram Crishna 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

At 12:06 PM +0530 1/5/05, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: >On Tuesday 04 January 2005 15:09, Rony Bill wrote: >> On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 11:06, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > >> >> Dear Jude, >> >> We are deviating from the original topic. This is, the ease of >> installation and setup of M$ compared to Linux. > >We are not. The original topic was >1) is windows popular because it is easy / better / secure yak >yak to use >Ans. No windowss not easy, Although the subject line has now been added to with three magic words (incl one acronym), I beg to differ: the original topic was the suggested use of the LUG physical meets to interface with others who have what I defined was a very real need. Yes, windows is not easy, but when you are pirating, then if one pirate copy does not work for whatever reason, then you get another that does. We all have a fairly clear idea of how this pirate stuff began, but that is water under the bridge now. Is the legal alternative a practical alternative, will it maintain or lower the total cost of doing business? >2) Is it ok to use pirate software particularly by small bussinesses >Ans. It is not and not just because u have a completely superior, >orders of magnitude cheaper completely legal alternative. And here you have an opportunity, with the small businessperson coming forward to you, asking for help to get out of this uncomfortable situation. >3) Random points about providing service without ability to do so >Ans. Dont do ANYTHING without ability particularly when u charge >for the thing. But who is charging? Does anyone here think that the local service levels for any flavours of GNU/Linux OSes is satisfactory? (I don't include so-called Enterprise systems, because that is not aimed at this target group in the first place). I am suggesting this as one step for creating another layer of small businesspeople, those who can add value to the small businesspeople set of entrepreneurs (without, as someone caustically suggested a couple of days back, becoming super-techies themselves). Surely some people on this list are confident enough of their skills? Does everyone need to rise up to their level, even when that is not their main thing in life? >) Stupid attempts to paper over piracy for personal gain >Ans. Rebuttal of this and to show that the pirate needs no mercy >at all. What do you call personal gain? There must be some very rich cybercafe owners out there, but we aren't talking about them. We are talking about small businesspeople. They don't make a lot of money, they don't have a lot of money. But they will pay some real money to minimise the real costs they have to bear for being in business. >5) Simplistic and totally wrong inference about kernel, distro, >hardware, drivers, and applications. >Ans: get informed before diving into the deep end. The rebuttal >requires the reader have basic understanding of these issues. > >And finally why am i flogging this topic so much. >Ans. because u and many others shifting from windows to GNU/linux >just dont seem to understand the difference between fact and your >version of it. Nor do you realise that u are doing nobody a favour >in switching over to GNU/linux. And that lack of knowledge and >skill can be easily corrected with only a little effort. And if u >are doing bussiness the rules changed a few yrs ago. I think some of you may have read Ashish Saboo's mail a few days back. I don't think that his attempt to pull together a coalition of small businesspeople needed such a supercilious set of responses. Either everyone on this list has got some good well-paying secure jobs, or you have all forgotten what it takes to run a business in India from scratch. Although the history of cybercafes is quite recent (I believe they just celebrated the decade anniversary of the first one, in London), there are quite a few people who think that this innovation is at least as powerful and potentially far more powerful than the PCO. I am one of them, as you may have guessed. I see absolutely no reason that a business based on fairly inexpensive consumer devices should require a PhD in computer science at the entry level - and given a working life of three to four years for the average small businessperson - certainly there is no reason for the vast majority of them to acquire such indepth tech knowledge - unless the fundas of the business are genuinely too complex. Goodbye ICT, in that case, but maybe none of you here are interested in what that is. It irks me no end to read about the ham-handed way our government (both state and central) goes about frequently changing the rules of the game for cybercafe owners (for all users of ICT actually, but the main bloc of commercial users are cybercafes). Against such inevitable and wayward externalities, one simple solution is for persons with a little more tech knowledge to band together to offer - for a fee, no-one is suggesting anything else. What will the fees be, who will charge them, what is the service offering - are you waiting for NASSCOM or IMC or the Mumbai Police to define this for you, or are you willing to come together and work with a group of these small businesspeople - for all you know, some are your neighbours - and work this out for yourself? If not at a LUG, maybe this isn't the best time and place, then the alternative already suggested is CDAC at Nariman Point, on a suitable day. And if this list isn't a suitable place to discuss the real world, then perhaps anyone who does volunteer a little time and effort to kick this off can put together a different list where the right solution can emerge. -- Vickram

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux device driver program.
by hemendra jain 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote : >But that still does not answer the quuestion a full fledged device driver for what?? >As the name suggests a device driver has to drive a device like >a jtag driver for in circuit emulation and debugging >usb modem driver for nokiaxyz phone >driver for mytimetravelcard No specific device. Anybody whose got knowledge in any specific device driver would be fine. The main motive is to understand the internal intracacies which are common to a lot of device drivers. >If u have a particular device in mind ppl can check the hardware resources available and join in. In this case, I think the person who's got exp. in this domain would be in a good position to suggest the hardware and related things. Rgds, Hemendra Jain On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote : >On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:45, hemendra jain wrote: > > Yes Raseel, you are right. A full-fledged device driver is what I > > meant. I think people who are experienced/inexperienced can join in > > so that it is helpful for everyone. > >But that still does not answer the quuestion a full fledged device driver for what?? >As the name suggests a device driver has to drive a device like >a jtag driver for in circuit emulation and debugging >usb modem driver for nokiaxyz phone >driver for mytimetravelcard > >If u have a particular device in mind ppl can check the hardware resources available and join in. > >And mailing to the list is good enough. No need to cc anyone unless specifically requested. > >rgds >jtd > > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Looking back at 2004.
by Amish Munshi 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

Hello All, Source : http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 Development application of the year We judged ease of use, documentation, maturity of tools, and ease of deployment. Those magical programs facilitate the creativity flow from the hands of the programmers. A good development application or framework allows someone with an idea and some know-how to do his part to change how people interact with their data. *Winner*: Mono <http://www.go-mono.com> The Mono Project develops a common language runtime environment and development tools that aim to conform with Microsoft's .NET framework. The pace of Mono's development and maturation as a platform has been very rapid and has encouraged the creation of a plethora of tools and applications targeting the Mono runtime and built with the Mono development toolset. It has made the language C# increasingly popular for rapid application development <http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20040715.ars> on Linux. Additionally, development tools such as MonoDevelop <http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20040805.ars/1> have been written and continue to improve rapidly to provide the closest thing to an ideal RAD environment for Linux. Most improved in the community Sometimes it doesn't matter what you brought to the game to start with. There is always room for improvement and occasionally a group manages to pull together in such a significant way to make you completely forgive or at least forget any previous awfulness. *Winner*: Novell <http://www.novell.com> Novell has long been a fixture in the IT community, but this year they managed to dive headfirst into the Linux field and produced a lot of excitement. From their acquisition of SuSE, their managing of the Ximian project, and continued development on projects like iFolder, Novell has really turned on the awesome, and we look forward to seeing their continued progress in the year to come. Oh, and iFolder. Did I mention iFolder? iFolder. Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux device driver program.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:45, hemendra jain wrote: > Yes Raseel, you are right. A full-fledged device driver is what I > meant. I think people who are experienced/inexperienced can join in > so that it is helpful for everyone. But that still does not answer the quuestion a full fledged device driver for what?? As the name suggests a device driver has to drive a device like a jtag driver for in circuit emulation and debugging usb modem driver for nokiaxyz phone driver for mytimetravelcard If u have a particular device in mind ppl can check the hardware resources available and join in. And mailing to the list is good enough. No need to cc anyone unless specifically requested. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

On Saturday 01 January 2005 10:51, Saswata Banerjee wrote: > you seem to have lost the context here. Manoj is not talking of > large businesses but small players without tech skill. > Pricing is decided by competition and you do not have luxary of > adding up all costs. The cost has to be minimise. U are trying to compete with robbery. where does the question of size come into this. If the cafewalla (or a bank) could get away with it he would chain u to his office and make u work for free as his serf. The point here is that if someone decides that the risk in doing something illegal / immoral / unethical is low enough they will do it. So beat him with the legal stick. When that hurts he will look at alternates. Now GNU & friends can compete. This is exactly the position that M$ (and many other businesses) is in - working a broken system by shifting costs to the rest of society. This also (IMHO) is the difference between opensource and free software. Opensource more or less accepts the current broken state of affairs in society.GNU realises that the system is broken and needs to be fixed. Practical issues come later fixing the system comes first. > > Nor does it make sense to tell them that they cannot do business > without skills. They are doing it and making adequate profits. U dont. U walk away and let the havaldar do his bit. The bottomline will correct itself and if the guy can add he will compare your quote with M$ and figure it out. rgds jtd

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(INFO) Link to ebooks on php , mysql, etc..
by lawrence_d＠sifycorp.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Hi, Cud be useful to some ppl .... http://www.computer-tutorials.org/ebooks.html

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linux device driver program.
by hemendra jain 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Hi All, This is Hemendra. I am writing for the first time. I have a bit of knowledge in writing Linux Device Drivers. Would like to expand this area. In that regards,would like to form a team of enthusiasts who are interested in writing Linux Device Drivers. Thanx Hemendra Jain

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux device driver program.
by Raseel Bhagat 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Hey sherlock, I think you misinterpreted, what Mr.Jain has to say. I think he, like myself wants to write a full-fledged device driver in linux. Not the amateurish "Hello World" LKMs or a pseudo-device driver as is explained in the Rubini and Corbet. He, I assume, like myself, wants to undertake a full-fledged device driver project(for just about anything), so that he gets a hands-on experience in writing drivers for actual, real-world devices. I hope I am right Hemendra !!! Btw, I am ready to be a part of the team,as although I myself have good-enough knowldege of Linux internals and Device drivers, I have never actually written a driver for anything and as such would very much like to. Thanking You, Raseel Bhagat On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote : >On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:36, hemendra jain wrote: > > Hi All, > > This is Hemendra. I am writing for the first time. > > I have a bit of knowledge in writing Linux Device Drivers. Would > > like to expand this area. > > > > In that regards,would like to form a team of enthusiasts who are > > interested in writing Linux Device Drivers. > >device drivers for what ? > > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Raseel Bhagat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux device driver program.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:36, hemendra jain wrote: > Hi All, > This is Hemendra. I am writing for the first time. > I have a bit of knowledge in writing Linux Device Drivers. Would > like to expand this area. > > In that regards,would like to form a team of enthusiasts who are > interested in writing Linux Device Drivers. device drivers for what ?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] debian sarge mirror/iso's
by Kartik Mistry 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

-- Guntupalli Karunakar <karunakar(a)freedomink.org> wrote: >THough i have the PCQuest Debian DVD, not sure if it has Gnome 2.8 & >kde 3.3 . Hi, It has Gnome 2.6 !! and unstable ! --Kartik Kartik Mistry +91-22-28990490,28990507 _____________________________________________________________ LinuxTimes.Net --> Open Source to everyone.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] can FOSS grow food [was new year resolution]
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:13, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 03 January 2005 06:22 pm, Vinayak Hegde wrote: > > > > In a country where drinking water and food are still major > > > > issues, contributing to free software is least of the > > > > troubles. > > education, mapping resources, crop planning, watershed management, > eliminating middle men in marketing, bringing transparency to > administration, knowledge base development, sharing experiences > over rural areas, disaster management - just a few areas, this and > many more can be done efficiently and at low cost by FOSS - no, > maybe you cant grow food on computers and write programs to make > drinking water come out of floppy drives - but you can grow more > food, distribute it more efficiently, tap more water sources, > conserve the existings ones with FOSS. Remember knowledge is power > and FOSS has immense potential to disseminate knowledge among the > rural people Well said. In fact the key to governance is open flow of information. This aspect is anthema to all organisation with hidden agendas, be it government, public or private. Poverty exist not because of lack of resources but because of bad distribution mainly caused by restricitions on free flow of capital and people. The moment u have someone controlling capital not belonging to him u have the the framework for corruption and wheeling dealing. Add restrictions on information flow in the name of national security - you cant photograph the dirty decrepit rly station - and u have the making of a Soviet style concentration camp country with grandiose monuments and speeches and other rubbish - N. Korea, Burma even India of the Indira days are examples. rgds jtd

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CISSP training intstitute in Mumbai
by Hitesh Prajapati 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] new year resolution
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

On Monday 03 January 2005 18:00, Vinayak Hegde wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:54:01 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves > > <lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com> wrote: > > On Monday 03 January 2005 04:19 pm, you wrote: > > i think that the key word is 'self-taught'. ppl who have taught > > themselves are more likely to contribute - but the majority of > Programmers can collaborate with people from other professions and > write software for them. It is a well established fact that FOSS > does not work well in most niche areas unless some experts from > that field write software for themselves or collaborate with > programmers. > examples include complex software for astronomy, medical imaging, > software that controls particle accelators, biomechanics etc. There are ample areas where FOSS contributes in niche markets. In fact that is exactly where the BIG opportunity lies. U have all the tools and building blocks in place to build a killer app. Morover the apps indicated above are used by organisations with plenty of moolah (very often taxpayers money). U will require the expert though. That is where contacts come in. Also in a natgeo programme related to astro physics I clearly remember that the scientist's pc had a gnome desktop on which he displayed various stuff. So astronomy apps are available on GNU/Linux. > > > since this segment typically uses pirated M$, they are not > > dissatisfied enough to look for an alternative as happens abroad. Are u referring to the scientific community in India?. Most are Government funded and NASSCOM would have already paid a courtesy visit. If they havent it's your opportunity staring at u. Novell / RH are u tuned in here. > FOSS doesn't offer many alternatives for "niche areas". FOSS > thrives when there is a huge userbase and active people giving > feedback. FOSS stutters where there is a small and very specialised > userbase. There are notable exceptions to this though. Most projects start with a small dedicated user and programmer base. Very often the initial code is horrible and the design worse. But it starts to solve a needling problem. By the time it is even partly ready pogrammers from other foss projects (pieces of which are being used in the new project ) start giving useful inputs and recieving new insights. These projects are barely known outside their community. Eg. BBC's (yes The BBC) DIRAC video codec which has far greater potential than the current media hyped MPEG4. Or Xorp which promises to better CISCO's ios. Or linuxbios which can ..... and rule the world. If the project solves a problem it does not stutter. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

On Saturday 01 January 2005 21:44, Rony Bill wrote: > > If linux is to be made more popular and user friendly, it will have > to reach out to the people and not vice versa. It was the > simplicity and ease of use of Windows that made computers popular > in India You need to read before u post. Read here http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20041228040645419 for starters. In short M$ is widely used not because it's easy but because of a whole history of piracy and illegal practices. And they did not make the pc popular. It was the low cost Taiwanese manufacturer who provided a platform for software like dos, wordstar, wordperfect, lotus123, gemplus, dbase, Turbo pascal, etc. And they existed BEFORE msdos and windows3.0. > and Asia and most programmers including linux ones have > their foundations in Windows. Before we learn about higher level > languages and programming, we first learn to start and shut down > windows and to hold a mouse. Then we find out about other OSs and > begin to curse Windows. How many of you learnt their first use of > computers without Windows or DOS ? Go get a REAL education in computers and software (u really need it). And u curse windows because it converts simple reasonable folks into homicidal maniacs (That is true I almost got whacked many yrs ago when CIH virus wiped out a clients FAT table - his "do number" recievables were on the disk). > > Linux does not have a unity of platform and this is a major > setback, that makes its different distros doing different things -- snip all the baloney-- As i said earlier Go get a REAL education in computers and software u really really need it. rgds jtd

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Fwd: GNU Hurd K8 CDs etc
by Anurag 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

[In case if someone is interested in GNU Hurd, its K8 CDs have been uploaded. this release supports partitions bigger than 2GB size -- Anurag] -- ----------------------------------------------- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix. ----- Original message ----- From: "Philip Charles" <philipc(a)copyleft.co.nz> To: "debian-hurd mailing list" <debian-hurd(a)lists.debian.org> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:48:38 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: K8 CDs etc I know it is a bad time of the year, but the K8 CD iso's are being uploaded to gnuab.org at the moment. The first image 70% on its way. All four should have been uploaded in about 40 hours. 16 KB/s upload Ahhg... The tarball and mini-iso have already been uploaded. I hope that Guillem Jover is not on holiday. The DVD just completed its testing an hour or so ago, it is too big to upload and will have to be posted. Main features. The 2GB partition limit has gone. The tests were made on a 20 GB partition. The 2+ years old mkfs in the GNU/Linux installation system creates the filesystem on the large partitions nicely. This means that the Linux installer has not had to be modified and so remains at "K". nano is broken and so nano-tiny has replaced it in baseGNU and the tarball, so remember the "-tiny" bit when invoking the editor. The GNU archive overflows the DVD by about 300MB. There are eight CD images, but as usual only the first four are being made available. The K8 disc set at least matches the quality of the K7 set which IMO was the best I had produced to date. The quality of a disc set is largely determined by the quality of the packages and the overall state of the official Debian and gnuab archives. As usual, comments and suggestions are welcome. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818 Fax +64 3 488 2875 Mobile 025 267 9420 philipc(a)copyleft.co.nz - preferred. philipc(a)debian.org I sell GNU/Linux & GNU/Hurd CDs & DVDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by Ashish Saboo 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

Hello all ! I just joined in the mailing list. my keenness in understanding technology brought me into cyber cafe operations for a while. Currently I am offering my bit in representing the small independnet Cyber cafe operators. If members permit me I would like to present the cyber Cafe model . Its been a unique to all third world country where low income levle / low literacy but sharp entrepreneurial instinct blosomed the commercial telecentres in less thna 6 years made them as common sight as that of a barber shop or a cobbler. Our estimates put over 30% of netizens in less developed countries depend on cafes for net access as a shared / pay per usage model & for the many waiting to embarace the Internet, they act as cradle to digital society. I have read the numerous responses to vickram's post & felt like there is a a gap in understanding some of our friends carry here & what cyber cafe operators feel . Before I am permited to go in detail , I offer a few points / clarification in the hope it offers some insight to the FLOSS entrpreneurs #> for many like me the reason to be in a cyber cafe business is because they are clueless to hat technology offer an opportunity & its the best way to acquaint the tricks, few maintain the status quo beyond 3 years at best & they hop to better allied business. like hardware/ data processing/ web development / training. We estimate there are less than 25% stand alone cyber Cafes. ie offer on net access. #> What interest a cafe operator or any business man is a solution , which ever technology gets them is fine. #> Most of us did not have a complete & visible choice - I can buy the license copy of OS & Office but then what about other add on softwares which has made it a must for operating a Public access computer ? The cost of logging & a content filter software avaialble costs equal to 3 months gross revenue above all the economics of operating a browsing centre would go for a toss. #> I did see some of the proxy servers and other black boxes from Linux and they actually frightened me - little support / little awareness. So given a choice if I am forced to be at mercy to some big daddy , why not the biggest or accesible one. & worst the different versions of os confused a hell out of me , where each one had to be compromised on. #> Contarary to the view a business man is ready to pay a decent amount and be within the ambit of law then nothing. here the choice has beet the devil & the deep sea. MS is too costly which make a mass civil disobedience widely acknowledged. & the Linux variants with The free tag actually puts a brake - What matter more is sales & support and add on developers network. Owning a unlicensed copy may let him operate his business profitably but deep within he is afraid to be haunted and hence most of them choose to stay annonymous . which has been detrimental in getting better work opportunities. we are talking of e-governance / digital network etc. & BTW most of the cafe operators are whacked by the moral police & content piracy watch dogs. tHe Cafe owner knows his guilt and silently pays off . or walks out of the business unfortunaltey need for ubiquity of commmuting do not make great headlines so who cares , maybe until its too late. A fairly priced and a broadbase support will actually open new market vistas both for consumer & developers. I think there are many issues which you have raised & I cannot answer them all in a single mail . If permitted , I would love to meet you and share our views. and have some real education too. Warm wishes for a bright 2005 !! Ashish Saboo President Association of Public Internet Access Provider (ApiAp) The voice of independent Cyber cafe operators URL: http://www.apiap.cybernook.net Blog: http://apiap.blogspot.com

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Multiple default routes!
by Ashok Iyer 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

Hi, I am using a RH 9.0 host. I know that multiple 'default' routes do not make sense. But still I can add multiple default routes via 'route add default gw <ip-address> command. Is this some feature that I do not understand? I guess that the behaviour will be as follows if I have 'two default routes'. If the first default gateway is reachable, the packets will be routed through that gateway. If it is unreachable, the packets will be routed through the other gateway. This may be totally incorrect, but I really cannot think of any other possibility. Regards, Ashok http://www.patni.com World-Wide Partnerships. World-Class Solutions. _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message may contain proprietary, confidential or legally privileged information for the sole use of the person or entity to whom this message was originally addressed. Any review, e-transmission dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error kindly delete this e-mail from your records. If it appears that this mail has been forwarded to you without proper authority, please notify us immediately at netadmin(a)patni.com and delete this mail. _____________________________________________________________________

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Multiple default routes!
by Ashok Iyer 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

> Actually, its a perfectly legal situation. But software like route AFAIK > does'nt allow you to set multiple routes. > You can use iproute command to do that. > You can give routing priorities also etc. > HTH > Supreet Ashok Iyer wrote: >Hi, > >I am using a RH 9.0 host. >I know that multiple 'default' routes do not make sense. But still >I can add multiple default routes via 'route add default gw <ip-address> >command. Is this some feature that I do not understand? > >I guess that the behaviour will be as follows if I have 'two default >routes'. If the first default gateway is reachable, the packets will >be routed through that gateway. If it is unreachable, the packets will >be routed through the other gateway. > >This may be totally incorrect, but I really cannot think of any other >possibility. > > >Regards, >Ashok 'route ' does allow to set multiple default gateways. For e.g. route add default gw x.x.x.x and then route add default gw y.y.y.y This is where I am confused. Since this facility is provided, what is it useful for? I am facing a problem due to this, in that I am unable to ping out of my subnet when the DHCP servers of the two subnets each assign a default gateway to my machine. So I have two default gateways. Regards, Ashok http://www.patni.com World-Wide Partnerships. World-Class Solutions. _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message may contain proprietary, confidential or legally privileged information for the sole use of the person or entity to whom this message was originally addressed. Any review, e-transmission dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error kindly delete this e-mail from your records. If it appears that this mail has been forwarded to you without proper authority, please notify us immediately at netadmin(a)patni.com and delete this mail. _____________________________________________________________________

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January 9, 2005 GLUG meet
by Venkatesh Hariharan 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

The January 9th GLUG meet will be held at Netcore's Parel office [1] at 3PM. The topic for this GLUG meet is Open Source Architecture and the speaker will be Satish Mohan of Red Hat. This GLUG meet will also see us giving a farewell to G Karunakar, the technical lead for the Indlinux.org project. Karunakar has played a tremendous role in resolving the technical issues around Indian language computing and his expertise has been sought by FLOSS localization groups in Nepal, Bhutan and other countries. We will sorely miss him and wish him the best for his future plans. Wish you all a happy 2005! Venky [1] Directions to Netcore (www.netcore.co.in) Office Address: Netcore Solutions Pvt. Ltd. 402, Peninsula Chambers, Ganpat Rao Kadam Marg, Lower Parel (West), Mumbai 400 013. India. Tel: +91 (22) 5662 8000 Directions to reach our office: The nearest train stations are Lower Parel (Western Line, about 10 mins walk) and Currey Road (Central Line, about 20 mins walk). If you are coming from Mahalaxmi Station, take Senapati Bapat Marg (Tulsi Pipe Road), you will pass Phoenix Mills on the left. Do not take the flyover. Keep going staight next to the flyover (below), and at the 4-way intersection (there is a traffic light), make a left, and then an immediate right into Peninsula Corporate Park. In the complex (you will see two buildings under construction), come to Peninsula Chambers, a 6-storeyed glass building with a cell tower on the top. We are on the 4th floor. >From Worli Naka, make a left onto Ganpat Rao Kadam Marg, go past Shriram Mills. We are ahead of A-Z Industrial estate towards the intersection with Senapati Bapat Marg (Tulsi Pipe Road). You will see an entrance on the left for Peninsula Corporate Park. In the complex (you will see two buildings under construction), come to Peninsula Chambers, a 6-storeyed glass building with a cell tower on the top. We are on the 4th floor. >From Dadar (Western railway) station side, if you are coming on Senapati Bapat Marg (Tulsi Pipe Road), don't take the flyover which starts at Kamala Mills. Go below it, and make a right at the next junction. This is Ganpat Rao Kadam Marg. Make a right into Peninsula Corporate Park. In the complex (you will see two buildings under construction), come to Peninsula Chambers, a 6-storeyed glass building with a cell tower on the top. We are on the 4th floor. Our building is right next to Orange and behind Piramal/Wellspring Hospital. We are in the same building as Airtel, JWT, Mindshare, Amarchand Mangaldas, Kotak Mahindra Insurance and ICICI OneSource. Parking is available in the basement - the first level has 10 parking slots for Netcore (numbers 1-10). -0-

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Re: Personal Diary software for Linux
by VC Bothra 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

I'll recommend a blogging tool for maintaining a diary / personal log. Wordpress is a PHP / MySQL blogging tool having a vibrant community and large installed base. Its licensed under GPL. http://www.wordpress.org/ Veer. http://www.blogstreet.com/ Blog Profile, RSS Ecosystem, Blog Tops, Search and Directory

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Kernel files
by Amit D Karia 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi all, I would like to know some thing abt kernel image files Kernal files are located at two places one in /boot partition nd the other on /usr/lib parition which is the actual nd which is the image file do ,,,, which is the source to compile the file regs,, Amit

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Personal Diary software for Linux
by Ninad 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi Is there a personal diary like software for Linux It should show the current day/date and time and one can write the daily happenings/events etc in it which will be stored. Thanks and Regards Ninad Bapat

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Different sender name in messages send by mail
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Dear Amish Munshi You may be using mailx instead of mail command. I get following error (i.e syntax of mail command) when it is run as you suggested #cat email.txt | mail -s "subject" -r sender(a)domain1.com receiver(a)domain2.com mail: invalid option -- r Usage: mail [-iInv] [-s subject] [-c cc-addr] [-b bcc-addr] to-addr ... [- sendmail-options ...] mail [-iInNv] -f [name] mail [-iInNv] [-u user] Bilal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

On Friday 31 December 2004 18:50, Manoj Ovhal wrote: > Around three years back I was using Linux as a router for one cyber > cafe in Goa, > I encountered different problems with Linux. I left Goa, and our strange. I have used GNU/Linux as the os for a router, loadbalancer (Trevor remember that ;-) ), desktop, videoconfernece appliance, ATM control and god only knows what else. The load balancer installation has been booted accidentally once since the installation 3 yrs?? ago.) Never faced a problem in any of the above. And these include business critical apps in a bank. Another one currently on is a call center using nothing but GNU/Linux. Dont blame GNU if u do not have the guts to learn it well. GNU/Linux beats the S@#$ out of everything else. Some apps sometimes lack eyecandy but a little coding remedies that. And if u are offering a service or product YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for providing the missing bits. > company left the maintenance contract with the cyber cafe. Some > body else walked into the maintenace contract & they simply > installed Windows with DLinks Internet Sharer. > The list of problems > 1) Customer Support & maintenance is not possible until & unless > there is someone skilled in Linux. Do u expect to pick the next MS certified zombie and get a job done? Most of them dont know classes of internet addresses. U have to get the skillset or know the stuff to run a bussiness. Are Linux skills expensive? on a per man metric - yes. On a productivity metric - no. One Linux guy can easily handle 8 to 10 small to medium networks. The number of visits required reduces rapidly with time as opposed to exponential increase with m$. Further because of M$ product vulnerabilities service calls tend to bunch and peak together. > 2) Though We used Linux as a router, other PCs were with windows > only. > 3) I got many problems while configuring it as I was also > very much new in Linux at that time. I couldnt get help from > anywhere in Goa.(I am talking about three years back). Many times I > have to find help myself. Its like swimming in a sea without enoghh > knowledge of swimming. U said it. Dont offer a boat ride to others unless u can swim very well. If u thought that u can make a bussiness of GNU/Linux by buying two elcheapo cds u are very mistaken. > 4) ... It means one PC is fully blocked only as a > router, means loss of around Rs. 400 a day. Heard of a cisco router. A low end router costed upwards of Rs.50000 then and required a CCNA to install and maintain. 50000 for a static router. Even now a pc with linux is a better router. > 5) Many sites are specially designed to work with IE. > > I dont think the situation is changed so much now a days also. The situation is this 1) without hard work, knowledge and money to build and run a bussiness u are doomed. 2) Costing is tricky if u do not factor in all the variables. 3) In the long term GNU/Linux is a far cheaper, secure and hassle free foundation for running a bussiness. And the above is not about to change in the forseeable future. In this thread we find a hundred silly excuses for laziness. Be happy that u have been given every tool u can imagine to learn, build and run a bussiness or skill without spending a penny and an environment filled with helpful people and which does not require doing anything illegal or immoral to succeed. You have been empowered to help yourself and others (who are not so disgustingly lazy). I have had replies to my problems from the developers of complex stuff like gnomemeeting and features added on request - but after i have run thru page after page of google and mail archives. And if u find problems work on eliminating those by aquiring skilled people or aquiring the skill and by not whinning. rgds jtd

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Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by Vickram Crishna 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Dear Mumbai Linuxers May I suggest a topic for the meeting? This is to meet an urgent and very real need of a service group that I happen to think is particularly important to India, and Mumbai as well. The service group is cybercafe operators. Currently, as many of you know, cybercafes are very tiny outfits, aside from the hyped up Sifys and Webworlds, which are just a handful. Most of these outfits use Windows in various flavors - I hesitate to call it MS Windows, for the simple reason that most copies are in fact pirated and of poor quality (now, now, let's not get ;-) nasty everyone, about the quality of the native product). As a result, when the police get into one of their sudden spurts of public spirit and barge into these little corner shops, enthusiastically rounding up customers and owners indiscriminately, while purportedly looking for offcolour downloads and spies around every corner, they have a very easy and genuine excuse for harassment - illegal software. The current level of hafta is around one month's gross revenue for a small cafe, renewable whenever the local officer concerned gets transferred and a new one comes around hungry. So what's the solution, and how can we help? Most of these businesses are really small, and are quite technically unequipped to deal with issues of software and hardware. They depend on small assemblers for their low cost machines, and this usually means the machines come preloaded with some form of Windows OS, and the usual slew of applications that customers want. I don't know what cybercafe customers actually want by way of applications, and I suspect that not many of us do either. What I am suggesting is that we turn the LUG meet into a session where representatives of both cybercafes and small assemblers can come, with the objective being to make a wish-list. We need to find out what the statistically typical hardware configuration is, what the commonly used applications are, and to make a distro that will install on most cybercafe machines. This distro can be duplicated either by members for a small fee, or turned over to the cybercafe reps at some point, or distributed through Mumbai IT magazines, or whatever. These points need to be worked out in consultation with the target audience ie., the owners and the assemblers. Idea is of course ease of use for both cybercafe owners and for the assemblers, who as you know are hardly aware that there are any choices in OS other than Windows. I think that although the owners are really very small businesses, and as a group quite unorganised, we may possibly be able to create a set of local micro-businesses for members doing this (keeping the distros updated and uniform over time). I am thinking not just of the task of making readymade distros, but of low cost training (neighborhood informal training schools) for assemblers and their techies. If this idea sounds interesting to you all, please do offer your yeas or nays here on the list. Dr Jitu Shah is already sensitised to this matter, and has I understand offered the use of the C-DAC offices in Nariman Point (capacity 60 persons seating) for a meeting on the subject. 9 Jan sounds like a good date for such a meeting, kicking off the new year on a very positive and socially useful manner. I do hope that some or all of you agree. >On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 11:49, Amish Munshi wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Where can we have the meeting on 9th? >> What is the agenda? >> >> Amish. > >We can do this at MET this time--around 60 of their students are likely >to attend. Satish Mohan of Red Hat is willing to talk on Open Source >Architecture. This talk was also given at the Calcutta LUG and around >100 people attended. > >Venky -- Vickram

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IRC server for ILUG-Mumbai !
by Saurabh Sawant 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi guys, Since the website http://www.ilug-bom.org.in is hosted on a server at TIFR ( i think so ) , can we have an IRC server set up there so that, there can be more interaction, fast responses and good discussions ? As for improving the ettiquete of this mailing list , we can invite people who make mistakes to a room at IRC and teach them the proper way. And also, i think it will also compliment this wonderful mailing list. I request Sir Nagarjuna to look into this. Regards, Saurabh Sawant ! :) _________________________________________________________________ The hottest products! The coolest discounts! http://www.msn.co.in/shopping Get them all at MSN Shopping!

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debian sarge mirror/iso's
by Guntupalli Karunakar 01 Jan '05

01 Jan '05

Hi, anyone having debian mirror(sarge) or iso's. I want the most recent one which includes KDE 3.3.x & Gnome 2.8.x atleast. I can get my HDD to copy it or take ISO's on CD. THough i have the PCQuest Debian DVD, not sure if it has Gnome 2.8 & kde 3.3 . Regards, Karunakar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by BIJU KRISHNAN 01 Jan '05

01 Jan '05

Dear Vickram, You have a great idea...! Well a year ago, I and my friend decided to sell proxy solutions to these small time cafe's and faced the following problems 1. The small cyber cafe's cannot afford to provide one stand-alone machine for the proxy set-up. Normally they set-up win/analog/free proxy on a machine and allow users to use it during peak hours. 2. A entire GNU\Linux cyber cafe setup has the most daunting task (others may disagree) of a browser which supports all sites just like IE....we may agree that IE is insecure...but most of the sites are optimised for IE..! Opera is the best but then its paid..! 3. Cyber cafe accounting software is also needed, the present ones are all windows based, there are a couple of projects on freshmeat but have'nt found success implementing them, maybe need to invest more man hours. 4. Messengers with similiar LOOK FEEL AND FUNCTIONALITY..! 5. VOIP dialer applications to run on the OS. There are more such avenues where the LUG can play an immediate and active role. 1. I had got first hand reports of management students who received Laptops with Suse loaded feeling uncomfortable and loading WinXP in them. This hapenned at MET too..! 2. Educating pupils in schools and colleges too can ensure Linux Domination by 2007. 3. We had a Marketing exec who used RedHat 9.0 for a year as a desktop but couldnt convince himself and others for extending it, since Word docs were'nt the same when they viewed it in OOffice. People like me have to be blamed....i have to follow the TALK LESS WORK MORE regimen immediately. My new year resolution would be to act more in spreading awareness about GNU\Linux, we have to make life easier on GNU\Linux than on windows if we were to ever dream of a secure. I have succesfully helped many of my friends who are IT managers in non-IT firms to atleast bring about a foot in the door for GNU\Linux and can use more contacts and reach to convince others too. Although I'am not so sure of my work schedule next week , i would try my level best if we can have a user interaction and a wish list ready in the meet. WISHING ALL LUG members A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR. bye rgds BIJU __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Using NVIDIA GeForce2 MX with kernel 2.6.6+
by Philip Tellis 01 Jan '05

01 Jan '05

Thought some people around these parts may be interested in this: http://bluesmoon.blogspot.com/2004/12/nvidia-geforce-mx-2-with-linux-266.ht…

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by Kenneth Gonsalves 01 Jan '05

01 Jan '05

On Saturday 01 January 2005 04:21 pm, you wrote: > you seem to have lost the context here. Manoj is not talking of large > businesses but small players without tech skill. > > Pricing is decided by competition and you do not have luxary of adding up > all costs. The cost has to be minimise. > > Nor does it make sense to tell them that they cannot do business without > skills. They are doing it and making adequate profits. > > This is top posted since interleaved reply does not make sense. even the top posted reply doesnt make sense - the OP has made one of the best posts i have ever seen (although he needs to do something about his line length) kg

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by Saswata Banerjee 01 Jan '05

01 Jan '05

you seem to have lost the context here. Manoj is not talking of large businesses but small players without tech skill. Pricing is decided by competition and you do not have luxary of adding up all costs. The cost has to be minimise. Nor does it make sense to tell them that they cannot do business without skills. They are doing it and making adequate profits. This is top posted since interleaved reply does not make sense. Saswata sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: __________ >On Friday 31 December 2004 18:50, Manoj Ovhal wrote: >> Around three years back I was using Linux as a router for one cyber >> cafe in Goa, >> I encountered different problems with Linux. I left Goa, and our > >strange. I have used GNU/Linux as the os for a router, loadbalancer (Trevor remember that ;-) ), desktop, videoconfernece appliance, ATM control and god only knows what else. The load balancer installation has been booted accidentally once since the installation 3 yrs?? ago.) Never faced a problem in any of the above. And these include business critical apps in a bank. >Another one currently on is a call center using nothing but GNU/Linux. >Dont blame GNU if u do not have the guts to learn it well. >GNU/Linux beats the S@#$ out of everything else. Some apps sometimes lack eyecandy but a little coding remedies that. And if u are offering a service or product YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for providing the missing bits. > >> company left the maintenance contract with the cyber cafe. Some >> body else walked into the maintenace contract & they simply >> installed Windows with DLinks Internet Sharer. >> The list of problems >> 1) Customer Support & maintenance is not possible until & unless >> there is someone skilled in Linux. >Do u expect to pick the next MS certified zombie and get a job done? Most of them dont know classes of internet addresses. U have to get the skillset or know the stuff to run a bussiness. >Are Linux skills expensive? on a per man metric - yes. On a productivity metric - no. One Linux guy can easily handle 8 to 10 small to medium networks. The number of visits required reduces rapidly with time as opposed to exponential increase with m$. Further because of M$ product vulnerabilities service calls tend to bunch and peak together. > >> 2) Though We used Linux as a router, other PCs were with windows >> only. >> 3) I got many problems while configuring it as I was also >> very much new in Linux at that time. I couldnt get help from >> anywhere in Goa.(I am talking about three years back). Many times I >> have to find help myself. Its like swimming in a sea without enoghh >> knowledge of swimming. > >U said it. Dont offer a boat ride to others unless u can swim very well. If u thought that u can make a bussiness of GNU/Linux by buying two elcheapo cds u are very mistaken. > >> 4) ... It means one PC is fully blocked only as a >> router, means loss of around Rs. 400 a day. > >Heard of a cisco router. A low end router costed upwards of Rs.50000 then and required a CCNA to install and maintain. 50000 for a static router. Even now a pc with linux is a better router. > >> 5) Many sites are specially designed to work with IE. >> >> I dont think the situation is changed so much now a days also. > >The situation is this >1) without hard work, knowledge and money to build and run a bussiness u are doomed. >2) Costing is tricky if u do not factor in all the variables. >3) In the long term GNU/Linux is a far cheaper, secure and hassle free foundation for running a bussiness. > >And the above is not about to change in the forseeable future. > >In this thread we find a hundred silly excuses for laziness. Be happy that u have been given every tool u can imagine to learn, build and run a bussiness or skill without spending a penny and an environment filled with helpful people and which does not require doing anything illegal or immoral to succeed. >You have been empowered to help yourself and others (who are not so disgustingly lazy). > >I have had replies to my problems from the developers of complex stuff like gnomemeeting and features added on request - but after i have run thru page after page of google and mail archives. > >And if u find problems work on eliminating those by aquiring skilled people or aquiring the skill and by not whinning. > >rgds >jtd > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >--- message truncated ---

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Different sender name in messages send by mail
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

Dear Amish Munshi Recommended syntax is not working. Bilal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] we need help on extraction of ISO from CD!!
by Kartik Mistry 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

--- "Anurag" <anurag(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in> wrote: >Guys, keep in touch with Amish. He is the CD remastering >expert. > >Amish, extract_compressed_fs works properly on Knoppix 3.6. and >there's no version mismatch with cloop either in Knoppix 3.6. >These people didn't tell which version of knoppix they're >extracting. >Anurag It'seems that there is not enough space (i.e. swap or RAM of ~1GB) and atleast Free space of 3 to ~4 GB. Thanks, Kartik Mistry GNU/Linux Developer, kartikm.blogspot.com +91-22-28990490,28990507 _____________________________________________________________ LinuxTimes.Net --> Open Source to everyone.

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we need help on extraction of ISO from CD!!
by TIFR students 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

we are encountering the following error while extracting an ISO image from Knoppix CD.somebody help!! $ extract_compressed_fs /cdrom/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX > /knx/source/first.iso 30369 blocks of size 65536. preamble: #!/bin/sh #V2.0 Format modprobe cloop file=$0 && mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/cloop/ $1 exit $? Block 0 length 0 => 65536 Uncomp: not enough out room 0 Help!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Different sender name in messages send by mail command.
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

Hello All If log in as root (or run a root cron job) and send a content of file lets say xyz.txt by using following command cat xyz.txt | mail -s "subject" touser(a)gomainname.com then my message is delivered to destination as showing "root" is the sender. Is there anyone who can suggest me to add another sender name without logging as that user? Regards, Bilal Ahmed

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

On Friday 31 December 2004 10:19, Vickram Crishna wrote: > The service group is cybercafe operators. Afaik a session was held in the past for assemblers and cybercafe owners. > Most of these outfits use Windows in various flavors - I hesitate > to call it MS Windows, for the simple reason that most copies are > in fact pirated and of poor quality (now, now, let's not get ;-) > nasty everyone, about the quality of the native product). Sheesh. There goes a chance for some sick jokes ;-). > > they have a very easy and genuine excuse for > harassment - illegal software. The current level of hafta is around > one month's gross revenue for a small cafe, How does the cop compute that?? > So what's the solution, and how can we help? Solution is 1) to use legal software 2) Do not get into a business on which u are clueless 3) Call the cops every time a cybercafe uses pirated stuff. A few hits with the hafta stick is a very good education. > Most of these businesses are really small, and are quite > technically unequipped to deal with issues of software and > hardware. Yeah nice qualification to run a bussiness whose service is delivered on hardware and software. Your intentions are laudable, but U cant help. As u stated in the rest of your mail It's not the owner / assembler but the customer who decides what os is on the pc. And given the level of zombieness around it will be sometime before things change, at that point things will resolve themselves. Availability of distros is not a problem. Availability of skill is only a little more of a problem. However to people who think nothing of piracy, paying money for skill is anthema. Go offer your service to a cybercafewalla and see. In fact offer him your services for free and see. All the piffle about poor and skill etc is rubbish. They are fully clued in on the piracy issue and have made a conscious decision to gyp someone (oh my heart bleeds for the OTHER CONVICTED PIRATE). It's the cops who have discovered a new avenue for revenue. I use a knoppix cd when i am in a cyber cafe. Recently in Goa a cybercafe had dual boot machines with RH. rgds jtd

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Passwd encryptions
by Amit D Karia 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hi would like to know abt this command of red hat linux grub-md5-crypt its easy to encrypt the passwd from this command but how to store the encrypted password ,,, And again is it possible to decrypt the passwd And also do let me know abt 'idecrypt'command is it possible to decrypt the passwd from the password Also tell me few others algorithams or commands of any flavor that would encrypt the normal text ,,, regs.. Amit karia

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fsck - Superblock has a bad ext3 journal (inode 8)
by Rishi 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hi I've got a kernel panic ... When I boot using a rescue CD and try fsck /dev/hda3 it says: Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... Superblock has a bad ext3 journal (inode 8) Clear? I have tried fsck -b option too ... no joy.. same error. All other partitions, 9 in all are fine... Only /dev/hda3 which is the / partition is reporting this error. Any way for me to recover this partition? What will happen if I type 'y' when prompted with 'Clear?' .. Will that loose any chance I have left in trying to recover the data from this partition? I suspect the / partition got full ... which may have caused this error to begin with... More than recovery of data, I'm interested in finding out if that was the case or not. Rishi

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Fecthmail and loal pop server setup
by komal 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hello, I am trying to setup Intranet mail server. I have successfully implemented Postfix mail server with SMTP AUTH. Now I want to setup local pop server so that user can download mail locally. I have two pop server say pop.abc.net and pop.pcq.net with two users with diffecrt user name and password. Fectchmail can be used to download mail from remote mail server. Now how to configure fetchmail to forward mails to local mail server. I know fecthmail can be run daemon mode. How to run fectchmail at startup time. If I set poll time for fetchmal for ten seconds and during that if that client, try to access mail what will happen? Thank you Komal

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Encourage questions..!
by gladwin.peter.burboz＠accenture.com 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hello All, I am new to this group and is a Java Developer (J2EE). Just hanging around as I sometimes do work on Linux and I like it. I completely agree with biju. Biju it's good to have such an inspiring member in the group. Sometimes members are so newbie that they are not able to put in appropriate search keywords thus getting huge listing in google which is of no use. In such case we need to help them. Amish I also agree with you. We do need to keep guys reminding that before posting simple questions one should try finding solution on their own. This helps to groom our members to become independent and gradually they can also start helping other members of group. Hey guys, I just wanted to know that if the next GLUG meet is at Netcore (Mumbai) then can I attend the same. My friend Nehal is also working over there [Hey NEHAL, are you listening? Are you too the member of this group? :))]. Always glads.... =============================================================== Biju Wrote: ----------- Dear All, I know its very irritating when people ask simple questions.....but from my point of view we should encourage all types of questions rather that pointing at google or man. Its true amish, that individuals do not utilise the existing information before shooting questions, but often most of my solutions come from existing replies on mailing lists all around the world, indexed by google. Preassumptions on how the member utilizes the information or on whether he/she uses it or not is not worthwhile probing into. Maybe the enlightened can provide exact links for a particular topic to reduce the time taken for searches. As for the question on Connecting to a Win2k using sambav3, my suggestion is using LinNeighborhood http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/redirect.php?id_download=9855 I personally use it to browse the network..! bye rgds biju =============================================================== This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Encourage questions..!
by lawrence_d＠sifycorp.com 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Quoting Srinivasan Krishnan <skrishnan(a)primus.ca>: > On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 09:57, Philip Tellis wrote: > > Sometime Today, BIJU KRISHNAN assembled some asciibets to say: > > > > > I know its very irritating when people ask simple questions.....but > > > > from my point of view we should encourage all types of questions > > > > It isn't just irritating, it is an inefficient waste of resources. > > > > Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. > > Teach him to fish, and he will never go hungry. > > > > Encourage the right questions. Don't encourage laziness (except when > > > it promotes reusability :). > I agree with the whole fishing adage, but that would mean ...U dont need to give a direct reply to a simple Q, but atleast point the guy in the right direction to get his ans...and not totally ignore it all together. After all he might not have the time or bandwidth to go run queries around the place and hence had to turn to this LUG as a last resort. - Lawrence.

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Encourage questions..!
by BIJU KRISHNAN 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Dear All, I know its very irritating when people ask simple questions.....but from my point of view we should encourage all types of questions rather that pointing at google or man. Its true amish, that individuals do not utilise the existing information before shooting questions, but often most of my solutions come from existing replies on mailing lists all around the world, indexed by google. Preassumptions on how the member utilizes the information or on whether he/she uses it or not is not worthwhile probing into. Maybe the enlightened can provide exact links for a particular topic to reduce the time taken for searches. As for the question on Connecting to a Win2k using sambav3, my suggestion is using LinNeighborhood http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/redirect.php?id_download=9855 I personally use it to browse the network..! bye rgds biju __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Passwd encryptions
by King S 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

From: "Amit D Karia" To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: 29 Dec 2004 12:19:08 -0000 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Passwd encryptions Hi would like to know abt this command of red hat linux grub-md5-crypt its easy to encrypt the passwd from this command but how to store the encrypted password ,,, And again is it possible to decrypt the passwd And also do let me know abt 'idecrypt'command is it possible to decrypt the passwd from the password Also tell me few others algorithams or commands of any flavor that would encrypt the normal text ,,, regs.. Hi, MD5 is not a enryption standard it just provides a "fingerprint" or message digest of a message of arbitrary length. The difficulty of coming up with any message having a given message digest is on the order of 2^128 operations,So basically its a one way encryption but it has a known collision weakness. idecrypt is used to decrypt encrypted responses from a pidentd server with DES encryption. grub-md5-crypt is just used to get the fingerprint of the user pass to protect grub modification there are lots of encryption standards like blowfish ,md4,md5 ,SHA1 ,SHA2 ,DES and Triple DES, Serpent , twofish and famous CRC !! Hope this clarify. King --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do?

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Passwd encryptions
by King S 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

From: "Amit D Karia" To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: 29 Dec 2004 12:19:08 -0000 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Passwd encryptions Hi would like to know abt this command of red hat linux grub-md5-crypt its easy to encrypt the passwd from this command but how to store the encrypted password ,,, And again is it possible to decrypt the passwd And also do let me know abt 'idecrypt'command is it possible to decrypt the passwd from the password Also tell me few others algorithams or commands of any flavor that would encrypt the normal text ,,, regs.. Hi, MD5 is not a enryption standard it just provides a "fingerprint" or message digest of a message of arbitrary length. The difficulty of coming up with any message having a given message digest is on the order of 2^128 operations,So basically its a one way encryption but it has a known collision weakness. idecrypt is used to decrypt encrypted responses from a pidentd server with DES encryption. grub-md5-crypt is just used to get the fingerprint of the user pass to protect grub modification there are lots of encryption standards like blowfish ,md4,md5 ,SHA1 ,SHA2 ,DES and Triple DES, Serpent , twofish and famous CRC !! Hope this clarify. King --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today!

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[ILUG-BOM] How to unistall packages in debian along configuration files.
by Santosh Laxman Kyadari 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hi, This is santosh K. It would be thankfull If any one tell me how to uninstall packages in debian along with configuration files of the package. I have tried apt-get --purge remove exim4. But this does not delete the conf. files. and more on I would like to know how to see the installed packages in debian. Any help in this regards will be thankfull. Regards, Santosh K.

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How to : convinience package (or virtual package)
by tifr stud 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

We need to know the following. How to create a virtual or convinience package for debian web site listing. For example a package called 'kdeedu' contains all the educational packages like khangman,kalzium etc. What they have done is kdeedu has dependencies on all the packages that constitute kdeedu itself. Is that how u create a virtual package?? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

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indic avsap released
by Kenneth Gonsalves 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

hi, avsap for italian tamil hindi gujarati telugu is now out: http://avsap.sourceforge.net telugu and gujarati have not been tested, but should work. A big thanks to Karunakar and his team for all the help given regards kg

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Venue for meeting at 9th.
by Amish Munshi 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Hello all, Where can we have the meeting on 9th? What is the agenda? Amish.

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samba and windows 2000
by komal 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

How to use Samba 3.0 as a client of Windows 2000 server? Thank you Komal

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(Commercial) Network Admin - Mumbai
by pitcom＠vsnl.com 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Mumbai - LUG There is an opening for a network admin full-time. The candidate should be graduate with 2 years relevant experience. Reply with present position and salary drawn. The opening is immidiate. Regards Kamlesh Shah Kamlesh Shah, E-comm Consultant Parth Information Technology www.parthinfo.net Email:pitcom@vsnl.com M:+919850430676

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preview
by Kenneth Gonsalves 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

coming shortly to a sourceforge mirror near you avsap: open source financial accounting in english, tamil, hindi, italian - and, hopefully bangla, telugu, malayalam, german ... regards kg dont expect konkani

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CUPS / Dell 720 / SAMBA / Adobe Printing Qs
by Shahed 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Hi All, I have been trying from the last 2 days to configure my Dell 720 (Lexmark 615) printer to work with Linux + Windows (SMB) I am using SuSE 9.2, with CUPS. I have finally managed to get it to work perfectly on Linux, and on Windows using the Adobe Generic Postscript Printer. On Linux, I have it setup the printer through CUPS, with the appropriate Lexmark driver. (Color works fine) On Windows, I could only set it up, with the Adobe driver. The problem is that there is no Color. I have the Windows Driver for the printer, but it does not seem to work with CUPS. Any ideas on how I can get color working, or better, if I can get the native Windows Driver to work ? Also, on the cups site, the windows driver is not available for download (??) Thanks. Shahed

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A Query !!
by Rony Bill 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Dear Friends, Has anyone from the group actually used the Epson LX-300 dot matrix printer on Linux, with good print quality in Open Office, Evoluion and other software? If so which is that Linux version? After finally managing to get a printout in Open Office, I am again stuck in Evolution. It does not print. It not only throws out the paper but the empty roller keeps rolling for some time and I am scared it may cause overload to the motors or control circuit. Both these programs are too good but its a pity they can't print decently. I even downloaded OO 1.1.3 from the net but it still does not improve print quality, which is terrible. LX 300 is a very common SOHO printer. Regards, Rony.

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Hylafax on Fedora Core 3
by Sujeet Bhatt 26 Dec '04

26 Dec '04

Is anyone running hylafax on Fedora Core 3? No rpms seems to be available for this distribution and attempts to compile from source throw up the following error: t.c:1: error: too few arguments to function `strftime' make: *** [t] Error 1 Any help appreciated. Sujeet /"When I don't make a decision, it's not that I don't think about it. I think about it and make a decision not to make a decision." /- P.V. Narsimha Rao

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] easy debian installation
by Sameer Niphadkar 25 Dec '04

25 Dec '04

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 Satya wrote : >On Fri, Dec 24, 2004 at 07:13:18PM +0500, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > >On Friday 24 December 2004 14:43, Sajid ali Baig wrote: > >> hi, > >> Which flavour of debian is easy to install. > >Personally, I like unstable (sarge? sid? I don't know). Sid is the most unstable one (similar to fedora test), followed by Sarge (similar to fedora core) and then Woody (the robust server type OS). Frankly if you are using a gerneral purpose OS you can very well go for Sid as it is the most latest one. Go for Sarge if you want a more stable OS for mail,web,ftp server. Woody is mostly comparable to any solid Unix or Enterprise Server OS. All these funny names have been derived from the movie "Toy Story" Remember there was even a Potatoe! > >Similarly knoppix (single live cd. (the latest version is two live cds) , woody (rock stable) and other debian based distros. > >Knoppix is more of a live-CD thing, but I hear you can get it to install >itself on the hard drive. After that, tweak the /etc/sources.list and >you've got whichever debian you want. No other live CD can be compared to Knoppix - consider it as the best if you are trying Linux for the first time. You may even try the newer MEPIS which is based on Debian and has a good setup. > >> How many CDs are essential. > >Depends on use again, but the first three are enough for the vast majority. The others cds 7 for woody and 10 for sarge (afaik) have stuff like development libraries and electronic, chemical and other engineering stuff. >Once you have a basic system installed from disc 1, you can tweak >sources.list and get whatever you want off the net. apt-get (install:update:upgrade) As simple as that >I think the other discs contain special boot images in case disc1 >doesn't work for you. > > >> are the CDs at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/ > >> good enough(easy to install. > > > >All debian distros are the same. But check the mirror update policy. some of them might be a few weeks out of sync. For the CDs check the MD5 sum if you want to be absolutely sure Sameer >Satya. http://www.thesatya.com/ >Fig Newton: The force required to accelerate a fig 39.37 inches/sec. > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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[Announce] Picture gallery for GLUG meets!
by Anurag 25 Dec '04

25 Dec '04

Greetings, ILUG-BOM now has a picture gallery for uploading pictures of our GLUG meets and various other activities we organize. I have already uploaded pictures from past few GLUG meets. Please visit : http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/pics/ -Anurag ----------------------------------------------- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Partition table problems...
by ~~~ Rohan ~~~ 25 Dec '04

25 Dec '04

Hello, I know there are hundreds of questions about fixing the partition table. But mine, i suppose is a peculiar case. My disk structure is something like this: 1) Disk 1 - 10GB /dev/hda (partitioned into C:, volgroup00 for FC3, /boot for FC3 ) 2) Disk 2 - 40GB /dev/hdb (partitioned into D:,E:, F:) Windows, Knoppix HD-Install, and even distros like Suse can read data off /dev/hdb1(2,3..) and of course off /dev/hda. However the problem comes when installing distros. Whenever it comes to partitioning step, i *always* get a message saying "/dev/hdb: This disk is not initialised. Dow u want to format? This will erase entire disk" on RedHat and "This disk cannot be read. Please format it. Ignore this messgae if u are not planning to install Suse on this partition." on suse. Also, Partition Magic and QtParted cannot read the partitions on this disk. QtParted just hangs, and Partition Magic 6.0 on startup says that this disk need to be repaired. Sad I donot know whats up, but my guess is that it is due to corrupted partition table. Is there any way to repair the partition table, without damaging the data already stored on this disk? I mean, isnt it surprising that data can be read / written perfectly on this disk? What is the problem? Also, in addition to this question, does QtParted support resizing and modifying data on a partition without damaging the data? Rohan. -- Rohan Dhruva Visit my blog: http://www.rohandhruva.tk/ ____________________________ Want to help Linux's cause? Join the Freedom Computing Group at Wanna help Linux? Join the Freedom Computing Group Now @ Official Website: http://www.freedomcomputing.tk/ To Join or unsubscribe: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/floss

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] easy debian installation
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

On Friday 24 December 2004 14:43, Sajid ali Baig wrote: > hi, > Which flavour of debian is easy to install. Depends on what you want to use it for. But sarge from PCQ dvd was very easy for desktop use. Similarly knoppix (single live cd. (the latest version is two live cds) , woody (rock stable) and other debian based distros. Although sarge is working very well for me, it is not advisable for newbies. > How many CDs are essential. Depends on use again, but the first three are enough for the vast majority. The others cds 7 for woody and 10 for sarge (afaik) have stuff like development libraries and electronic, chemical and other engineering stuff. > > are the CDs at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/ > good enough(easy to install. All debian distros are the same. But check the mirror update policy. some of them might be a few weeks out of sync.

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easy debian installation
by Sajid ali Baig 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

hi, Which flavour of debian is easy to install.How many CDs are essential. are the CDs at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/ good enough(easy to install.

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Mono success story
by Amish Munshi 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

By using Mono to port its software to Linux, Völcker has opened a new market to serve customers running both Windows and Linux platforms. Using Mono as its development platform, instead of Java, has reduced the company’s testing time by 60 percent and eliminated the need to hire 5-10 new programmers. Migrating to Linux is also paying off for its customers who are gaining all the benefits of an open source network, as well as an enormous reduction in server licensing costs. "Linux is now ready for the enterprise and is no longer a single server solution," said Bauer. "Our customers can easily integrate Windows and Linux servers and clients to reduce costs, and we are able to create software for both platforms. Not a lot of companies are doing this, so Mono gives us a competitive advantage." Complete article available at http://www.novell.com/success/volcker.html Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] tar relocation errors
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

On Thursday 23 December 2004 17:14, Gabin Kattukaran wrote: > hi, > has anyone encountered relocation errors from tar while > installing debian sarge? if you have is there some simple way > around this? No. Three installations so far (using pcq dvd). No problems at all. rgds jtd

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[ Info ] Novell Certified Linux Salesperson
by SeekingGyan 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

Hi Group Novell has a Novell Certified Linux Salesperson test which any one can take for free. It tests you on concepts of opensource paradigm and providing complete solution other novell products that run on Linux.The test last about 90 mins with 40 objective questions which normall one can complete in less than 40 mins :) On passing the test you get a printable pdf certificate and i guess a logo that one can use on their resume / website. There is a four module course in pdf and video format for learning. Though some reading on product catalog of Novell products running on Linux is recommended for good score It is a value add for techno-sales executives in organisations who aim to make it big selling in this new evolving paradigm. I guess this is the first of its type in the free software paradigm that too free so no harm taking it right ? The courseware is available here http://www.novell.com/partners/channel/academy/cls_course.html and one can take the test here https://register.novell.com/webexam/?action=selectexam&lcode=enu Happy Computing Harsh

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tar relocation errors
by Gabin Kattukaran 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

hi, has anyone encountered relocation errors from tar while installing debian sarge? if you have is there some simple way around this? -gabin here's the relevant portion from /var/log/messages ---- /var/log/messages tar: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 127 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1_i386.deb (--install): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 tar: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 127 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.7_i386.deb (--install): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.7_i386.deb --- -- you will soon forget this.

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problem with fedora booting
by Pankaj Dekate 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

Hi all, I am facing this typical problem with Fedora core 3 . I did not face this problem with any of previous Redhat distros. I have a 40 gb hdd of which 32 is usable. My partitioning is as follows: 1) C:\ ------- 4gb 2) D:\---------10gb 3) E:\---------remaining I installed windowsxp in C: Then i installed fedora core 3 by deleting D: partition and have /boot ,swap and root partition for fedora core 3.I installed grub in the MBR. The installation went fine.But when i rebooted it brought me to the grub command line I did not get the grub OS selection screen. I tried giving the root partition on the grub command line.But it always told me that it lies outside the cylinder range.This problem never happened with previous versions of redhat or fedora. I also tried with other setup. After starting the installation of Fedora I deleted all the partitions and installed Fedora core 3 within the first 2 gb with /boot,swap and root partition.This was a minimal install.Grub was installed in MBR Then i installed Fedora core 1 after fedora core 3 using the same /boot and swap as that of fedora core3.I did not install grub for fedora core 1.Instead i modified the /boot/grub/grub.conf to include the 2.4.22 kernel of Fedora core1. This time it gave me the OS selection screen with both kernels.I could boot into Fedora core3 but not into fedora core1.It still gave me that the root partition is out of boot cylinder range. Can anyone help me out? Pankaj

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mail server
by Sameer Niphadkar 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 Amit D Karia wrote : > >Hi, >I Use Redhat as my daily use not for proffesional use but in future i mite Want to know which mail server would be appropriate to use ,, In future i mite start using SUSE as desktop system also let me know abt that as well SUSE 9.1 is very good in terms of KISS and robustness as a server. For desktop - I'd recommend MEPIS (based on Debian) or Yoper linux rgds Sameer

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Need RedHat Cds
by Yasar Curtay 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

hii guys , is there anyone around who can give me the latest version of redhat or maybe fedora core stable one.. let me know. or maybe can anyone point me out where i can buy it off. thanx yasar

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Mail server
by Amit D Karia 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

Hi, I Use Redhat as my daily use not for proffesional use but in future i mite Want to know which mail server would be appropriate to use ,, In future i mite start using SUSE as desktop system also let me know abt that as well

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[ILUG-BOM] Fwd: reminder: Open Source Software - participants survey
by Nagarjuna G. 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

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Document for Apache setup with Mono
by Amish Munshi 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

Greetings, I have uploaded an article on how to setup Mono with Apache at http://www.munshi.biz/mono/ Feel free to get back to me regarding any issues related to the document. Amish.

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Torvalds: A Solaris skeptic
by Sameer Niphadkar 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

Chk this out http://news.com.com/2008-1082-5498799.html?tag=yt rgds Sameer

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problem with vsftpd server
by BIRARI NILESH SHANKAR _02322005_ 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

Hi junta when i tried to connect my pc using ftp client then following message appeared GSAPI error major :-an invalid name was supplied GSSAPI error major: An invalid name was supplied 2 GSSAPI error minor: Cannot determine realm for numeric host address 3 GSSAPI error: parsing name 4 name parsed <ftp(a)10.129.85.50> 5 6 GSSAPI error major: An invalid name was supplied 7 GSSAPI error minor: Cannot determine realm for numeric host address 8 GSSAPI error: parsing name 9 name parsed <host(a)10.129.85.50> 10 11 GSSAPI authentication failed 12 Kerberos V4 krb_mk_req failed: You have no tickets cached 13 Login failed. 530 Must perform authentication before identifying USER. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. my vsftpd and xinetd services are running. i can connect to my pc using ssh but not ftp. please help me out. thanks in advance regards Nilesh -- *-------------------------------------------------------* NILESH BIRARI H-12, A-307 Mtech RELIABILITY ENGG http://www.ee.iitb.ac.in/uma/~nileshb

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Restrict Access to Oracle
by Sneh D 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

Hi, i had followed the same approach.First I checked whether the SQLNET service is listed in /etc/services.It was not , so i added an entry to the same.Next I denied access to this service in hosts.deny for a particular IP , but still the machine with the specified IP(the one to whom the SQLNET service was denied) is able to connect to oracle.The service is not listed in xinetd.d.What shud i do next ? How do i locate the file related to the SQLNET service ? Regards, Sneh. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 crisppy f wrote : > --- Sneh D <my_linux(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have Oracle Server Installed on RHEL on an IBM > > Server.I want to restrict access to oracle from > > specific machines on the network.I tried denying > > access to the SQLNET service by adding an entry into > > the /etc/hosts.deny file,but it isn't working.Now I > > don't know how to achieve this.I'll be greatful if > > anyone on the list helps me out ith this. > > Regards, > > SD. > >your approach should be.... > >1.you should deny for SQLNET service for all users in >host.deny and then in host.allow give access to >specific users. > >2. make sure this service is under xinetd and if not >then host.allow or deny file will not work as you >want. > >3. if 1 not work and this service is under xinetd.d >then open file related to sqlnet service and there in >section where disable = no is mentioned there in the >list you can specify the directive--- >only_from = host/network range. > >i hoope this will work otherwise mail if required... > > > > -- > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online >Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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[ job ] Linux Positions at Novell
by SeekingGyan 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

Hello Got this mail from HR of Onward Novell ------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are currently having 1 open position at Delhi. We require Engineering graduates with 3-4 years experience with good communication skill and tech experience as given below. If any of your friends are interested, pls forward their resumes. Job profile: You would have to work in a project team which will work with Government Customers on Linux Solutions. There are 2 aspects of the role: 1) Understanding hardware components & concepts - hands on experience in programming languages like C, C++, memory handling - Knowledge of interface controllers - experience in configuring and writing device drivers 2) Understanding Linux platform - Ability to install / configure Linux on servers & desktops - apply kernal patches and re-compile the kernal to enable additional functionality - compile & configure device drivers / kernal modules You would be placed at a client in Delhi for 2 years as a Novell representative. Regards, Evet ------------------------------------------------ Interested persons please send in ur resumes OFF THE LIST Thanks Harsh

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Restrict Access to Oracle
by noel seq 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

From: Sneh D <my_linux(a)rediffmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:37:19 PM Hi all, I have Oracle Server Installed on RHEL on an IBM Server.I want to restrict access to oracle from specific machines on the network.I tried denying access to the SQLNET service by adding an entry into the /etc/hosts.deny file,but it isn't working.Now I don't know how to achieve this.I'll be greatful if anyone on the list helps me out ith this. Regards, SD. Hi Sneh, You need to populate protocol.ora with the necessary ip addresses. Oracle will deny those ip's access to the database. This is a part of oracle networking. Check metalink for more on this. Noel _________________________________________________________________ Chat with 1000s of singles. http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Let BharatMatrimony.com's Instant Messenger show you how.

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Mail replies offline : coming together for LPI
by BIJU KRISHNAN 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

Dear All, December is full of festivities, so we a group of friends were unable to devote study time for the Dec 17th LPI. If we get together in numbers of 15-20 the officials suggest that we could have a on-demand-exam. Me and a few of my friends have decided that we could go for an exam on >>Jan 15<<, we would like to know if anybody in LUG is interested in joining us so that we can request for a seperate ondemand exam. Request : Please mail me on bijucyborg(a)rediffmail.com, if you are interested in joining us for a ondemand LPI exam on 15th Jan. The group can also share info and material on LPI. bye rgds biju __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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[ANNOUNCE] ibmonitor release version 1.3
by Rohan Romanus Almeida 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

HI, ibmonitor - an interactive bandwidth monitor ibmonitor is an interactive linux console application which shows bandwidth consumed and total data transferred on all interfaces. Its main features are: - Shows received, transmitted and total bandwidth of each interface - Calculates and displays the combined value of all interfaces - Displays total data transferred per interface in KB/MB/GB - Bandwidth Values can be displayed in Kbits/sec(Kbps) and/or KBytes/sec(KBps) - Can show maximum bandwidth consumed on each interface since start of utility - Can show average bandwidth consumption on each interface since start of utility - The output with all features (max, avg and display in Kbps and KBps) easily fits on a 80x24 console or xterm - Can interactively change its output display format depending on key pressed by user. Changes since v1.2 - Sleep interval is now more accurate as we are subtracting the time taken for the code to run from it - ibmonitor requires Perl module Time::HiRes Main site: http://ibmonitor.sourceforge.net Download: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ibmonitor/ibmonitor-1.3.tar.gz?download __ Rohan

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Restrict Access to Oracle
by Sneh D 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

Hi all, I have Oracle Server Installed on RHEL on an IBM Server.I want to restrict access to oracle from specific machines on the network.I tried denying access to the SQLNET service by adding an entry into the /etc/hosts.deny file,but it isn't working.Now I don't know how to achieve this.I'll be greatful if anyone on the list helps me out ith this. Regards, SD.

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checkout this
by Sachin Rase 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

http://www.google.co.in/firefox -- -- Sachin Rase GNU\Linux enthusiast 91-9819246569

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Minutes: December GLUG-Meet @ IIT
by Anurag 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

*Minutes of December GLUG-Meet @ KReSIT - IIT* The GNU/Linux Users Group of Mumbai held its December GLUG meet at KReSIT - IIT Bombay on 19th December 2004. This meet was attended by about 25 people coming from all over the city. Following discussions and talk were held: -> *Python Programming - by Steve* Steve Fernandes from Ensim specially came down form Pune to give a talk on Python. Python is an upcoming language which is being considered by many as an ideal programming language which a beginner and people from non-programming background can start with. Python, which was originally developed by scientists and mathematicians has many inherent advantages that makes it favored for a lot of applications. Python is used in a large number of places like redhat's config tools as well as complex and heavy applications like Zope and GNU Mailman. A Python program flows like poetry, hence it is easy to read and self documenting. Please see homepage for full presentation slides of Python talk. By the way, the language "Python" is named after the BBC show ``Monty Python's Flying Circus'' and has nothing to do with nasty reptiles. -> *Mono - by Amish* Amish Munshi from Novell gave a talk on Mono. Mono is being very agressively developed and is soon going to reach its 2.0 version in mid 2005. Amish started with the basics of .Net platform, howto write-compile programs using Mono and howto host ASP.NET applications with Apache. Amish has written a nice document explaining procdures invloved in configuring Mono with Apache. Amish, can you upload it and give us its link ? Amish gave away SuSE DVDs to select gluggers who asked the best question :-) -------- * Details of next GLUG meet: Date: 9 Jan 2005. Venue: -> Let's have another poll! Please see homepage for updates on next GLUG meet. -Anurag -- ----------------------------------------------- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Re: Problem with dialing the internet, xserver
by Ketan Padegaonkar 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

Hi All, I installed debian sarge on my PC today, and suddenly I discovered a lot of new problems. 1. I am not able to dial the internet using kppp, it connects and says pppd died (return code 1) 2. wvdial "cannot detect dialtone", although I can clearly hear it from the modem. 3. x server does not start up. It does _not_ throw an error, however the screen blanks out, but the frequency is _not_ out of range(the monitor does _not_ blink). The modem and X was working fine until the morning, when I was using FC2. Can anybody help? -- Ketan Padegaonkar

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Apache 1.3.33 problem
by Sandesh Singh 18 Dec '04

18 Dec '04

I compiled apache 1.3.33 and installed it in /usr/local/apache. But the website is not showing up. Firefox says the connection was refused (I am typing in 'http://localhost/'). If I try to view the status using the 'apachectl' application, here's the output I get : [root@localhost htdocs]# ../bin/apachectl status ERROR at dump.c:188: Network is unreachable 'netstat -a' shows the following output : Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 0 *:http *:* LISTEN I am running Fedora Core 3 with mostly the default options (firewall and everything). I haven't installed the pre-packaged httpd. Somehow, I don't feel this is an Apache problem, it seems that I am just not able to connect to it. Thanks in advance. -- [ Sandy ] There are two types of thieves. There are the thieves that want a car. And there are thieves that want one particular car. Against the first type, any security measure that makes your car harder to steal than the car next to it is good. Against the second type, even a sophisticated GPS tracking system might not be enough. http://sandesh247.blogspot.com/

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installing modem
by Kenny Chamber 18 Dec '04

18 Dec '04

How to install modem for dialup connection ? i followed all the steps from Linux everything goes fine but its not dialling. ----------------------- Kenny Chamber http://gem-hs.org/contact.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] help in installation
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 Dec '04

18 Dec '04

On Saturday 18 December 2004 09:55, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Saturday 18 December 2004 01:00 am, you wrote: > > Dear Mumbai Linuxers: > > > > I have decided to take the plunge by migrating to a GNU-Linux > > desktop, and have just bought a 240MB/40GB/1.66GHz AMD Athlon for > > you dont need help - just get the mandrake10 cds, put the first one > in the drive and keep clicking with the mouse Since mandrake packs a lot of cutting edge stuff it tends to be unstable (as per web reviews). And a dvd install is much faster and easier. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] help in installation
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 Dec '04

18 Dec '04

On Saturday 18 December 2004 01:00, Shekhar Krishnan wrote: > Dear Mumbai Linuxers: > > I have decided to take the plunge by migrating to a GNU-Linux > desktop, and have just bought a 240MB/40GB/1.66GHz AMD Athlon for > this purpose, to work alongside my Powerbook running Mac OSX. I > need someone to help me install and configure the new machine with > a Linux distribution and basic set of applications, and and would > also like to discuss my options and choices in this regard. I presume u have already cased out your application requirements, if not do that first.Mailing your requirements to this list is one option.Getting your box to the lug meet is another. And to my office at Kanjurmarg a third. all three are frreee. U should have also checked the peripherals for linux compatibility particularly sound and video. I just installed debian sarge from the PCQ Debian dvd on a new elcheapo laptop. It is fast, stable and absolutely easy to install. Infact i found the expert install a trifle irritating (thought easier for a newbie) while partitioning as u require more key presses than the plain old cfdisk. IMHO in a production environment stability and continued subsequent maintanence (very minimal but neccessary) is most important. The debian apt packaging system and hundreds of fast mirrors make maintanence a breeze - even for a nontechie newbie. Debian packaging policy also insists on stability over other factors (except freedom). And since u are going to pay someone to install insist on debian - the commercial-politic free distro. Also i have found the reiserfs file system to be astoundingly reliable - 8 to 10 power outs a day for the past 6 mths without any file corruption. In a world without Gates who needs windows - welcome to happy hassle free computing. rgds jtd

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help in installation
by Shekhar Krishnan 18 Dec '04

18 Dec '04

Dear Mumbai Linuxers: I have decided to take the plunge by migrating to a GNU-Linux desktop, and have just bought a 240MB/40GB/1.66GHz AMD Athlon for this purpose, to work alongside my Powerbook running Mac OSX. I need someone to help me install and configure the new machine with a Linux distribution and basic set of applications, and and would also like to discuss my options and choices in this regard. I am wondering if someone on the list can visit my studio in Dadar to help with the installation over the next few days, and discuss how much remuneration is appropriate for the work. I am going away on 25 December and will not return to Mumbai until mid-February and wanted to do it before leaving, in the coming week. If you can help me, please contact me via e-mail on shekhar(a)crit.org.in or call me on +91.98200.45529. Thanks, S.K. _____ Shekhar Krishnan 9, Supriya, 2nd Floor Plot 709, Parsee Colony Road no.4 Dadar, Mumbai 400014 India http://crit.org.in/members/shekhar

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[ILUG-BOM] Archives of firewalls@lists.gnac.net/firewalls@greatcircle.com wanted
by Devdas Bhagat 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

Apologies for the cross post. Replies requested offlist. I would like to obtain copies of the archives in compressed format (from beginning to 2001 end). Anyone with copies of the archives of firewall-wizards from 1998 to 2002 is also requested to send them. (I know of the web based archives. I want full archives with headers if possible, rather than writing a bot to scrape the web pages). Devdas Bhagat

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[Fwd: GLUG meet at IIT on 19th December]
by Anurag Patel 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

----- Forwarded message from Venkatesh Hariharan <venky1(a)vsnl.com> -----i Envelope-to: anurag(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:50:43 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: GLUG meet at IIT on 19th December] From: Venkatesh Hariharan <venky1(a)vsnl.com> Reply-To: venky1(a)vsnl.com To: anurag(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in Cc: nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in X-Keywords: X-UID: 110 *December GLUG meet notice* Content-Description: Forwarded message - GLUG meet at IIT on 19th December Subject: GLUG meet at IIT on 19th December From: "Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan" <venky(a)redhat.com> To: Mumbai India GNU/Linux Users Group <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Cc: Steve Fernandes <lonetwin(a)yahoo.com> Dear All, The next GLUG meet will be held at IIT Bombay from 3PM-5PM. The two topics discussed at thus GLUG meet are Python and Mono. Steve Fernandes of Ensim will be specially coming down from Pune to Mumbai to share his knowledge of Python with this group. A special thanks to him from the group for taking the trouble of coming all the way to Mumbai. Many people have suggested Python as the ideal language from the Open Source world for imparting programming skills to students and a better alternative to using proprietary tools like Visual Basic. As a community, we need to examine alternatives to proprietary software and suggest alternatives from the open source world. Therefore, we need to evangelize the usage of languages like Python in education, academia and for software development. Amish Munshi of Novell will be talking on Mono, a subject that has generated a lot of traffic on this list. The venue for the meeting will be KReSIT at IIT Mumbai. The directions are enclosed below and also available online at http://www.iitb.ac.in/campus/howto/iitblayout.html (KReSIT is #37 on the map). Getting to IIT Bombay ===================== IIT Bombay is located in an area called Powai in the Central suburb called KanjurMarg in Mumbai. The best way of reaching there is by a combination of Road and Rail. Mumbai has two main suburban train tracks respectively called after the Central and Western Railways. The suburban trains of Mumbai are called 'local' trains. If you are on the Central Railway, get down at Kanjurmarg or Vikhroli and take an auto to IIT. The auto will take around Rs. 15 - 20. To board any of the buses, you'll have to walk slightly till a bus stop on the main L.B.S.Road and take any Andheri/Borivali bound bus. The fare is around Rs. 3. If you are coming from the Western Railways, get down at Andheri and take any of the buses going to Mulund from the eastern side of the railway station. The fare would be roughly Rs. 6. Alternatively, you could take an auto which will take around Rs. 55 to IIT. Getting to KReSIT within IIT ============================ The new KReSIT building is now fully operational - one of the most impressive structures in the IIT-Bombay campus! The KReSIT building is the first big structure one comes across when entering IIT. Approximately a 5 minute walk from the Main Gate, it is situated on the right side of the road after Hostel 10 and the wide road going right to the Y-Point gate. It is equally close to the Y-Point gate; turn right after entering the Campus, and take the first left where you will see the Central School Ground. Continue walking and enter the second gate on the right. You can see the white and blue KReSIT building right away! Note that the building is not connected to the long corridor that links all the department building. See you all there on Sunday! Venky -- Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan Head-Open Source Affairs Red Hat IndiaPvt. Ltd 135, Mittal Towers 13th Floor, B Wing Nariman Point Mumbai 400021 India Tel: +91-22-2288-1326/27 Fax: +91-22-2288-1318 Mobile: +91-98214-47800 E-mail: venky(a)redhat.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ----------------------------------------------- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Ubuntu Linux.
by Rajen M. Parekh 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

Hi all, I have 4 extra sets of Ubuntu Linux (1 installation cd + 1 live cd). Let me know if anyone is interested. Regards, Rajen. -- All power corrupts, but we need electricity.

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[ILUG-BOM] COMMERCIAL: Job Opening: a) Senior PHP Programmer b)Trainee c) Content developer
by Abhishek Daga 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

We at Open Source Technologies, are expanding our team and are looking for some experienced,talented individuals to join us. We are a Startup based in South Mumbai and focusing on PHP/MySQL based web development on the linux platform. The details of the positions open are as follows: Senior Programmer/Project Lead: (Ref Code: PHP001) 2+ Years of experience in web development using PHP/MySQL. Experience on the linux and FreeBSD platforms highly desirable. Ability to work independently as well as guide and train new recruits. Excellent documentation and communication skills. Ability to work within deadlines. Experience with Squirrelmail Customization, Smarty, CVS, PHPMyAdmin, PHPLDAPAdmin, PHPCollab a definite plus. Experience with Regular Expressions. JavaScript and HTML hands on experience a plus. Knowledge of Perl and/or Shell scripting desirable. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Trainee/Junior Programmer: (Ref Code: TRN001) 0-6 Months of web development experience using PHP/MySQL. highly motivated individual who would set new standards for himself/herself. Ability to work long hours to meet challenging goals. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Online Marketing Expert and Content Developer (Ref Code: MECD001) The ideal candidate will have excellent command over written and spoken English. The primary responsibility of the individual would be to develop technical content to be published online. The candidate will also be responsible for undertaking marketing exercises such as implementing link exchange programs and directory listings. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ All Vacancies need to be filled immediately and renumeration will not be a bar for the ideal candidate. Regards, Abhishek Daga Open Source Technologies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mono session on 19th
by Kartik Mistry 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

hi, Thanks to all.. --- Rajeev Sharma <rajeev1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >1. Mono Kick Start >by Hans-Juergen Schoenig, Ewald Geschwinde, Hans-Jurgen Schonig >2.Mono: A Developer's Notebook book bypasses the talk and theory, and >jumps right into Mono 1.0. >3.Few more are listed here >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596007922/osnews-20/102-8183121-176… First two is available in India ? I like no.2 ... --kartik _____________________________________________________________ LinuxTimes.Net --> Open Source to everyone.

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SSH
by Nadiem 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

Hello Linuxers, Whenever I try to ssh form my rh9 box to other boxen on the network, the fingerprinting fails. The error given is "cannot create directory /home/foo/.ssh". This directory is, ofcourse, required to store the fingerprint (known_hosts) and dsa keys. I verified the perms on the directories and even tried creating the directory manually, but no go. My ultimate aim is to setup ssh without keys, so that a user can ssh to/from my box without being prompted for passwords or passphrases. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Nadiem __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mono session on 19th
by Kartik Mistry 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

hi, Amish, Waiting for your session ! Well, I asked Harsh for any books on Mono, he suggested me to read doc. of Mono but, I need some books that can be use as base before jumping into Mono World. What is prerequistics for Mono development ? I'm totally new to .Net and c#. Could you please bring a copy of a cd that contains latest Mono stuffs ? Thanks, Kartik Mistry Linux Developer, kartikm.blogspot.com +91-22-28990490,28990507 --- lists(a)munshi.biz wrote: Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Mono session on 19th Greetings, I will be taking a session on Intro to Mono, it will include the following. 1. Setting up Mono. 2. Working of Mono. 3. Commands/Tools available with Mono. 4. Setting up of Apache with Mono for hosting ASP.NET pages. Above session will last for approximately 90 min. GUI applications with mono will be taken in some future session. Venue and time will be mailed in a seperate mail. Amish. _____________________________________________________________ LinuxTimes.Net --> Open Source to everyone.

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Mono session on 19th
by lists＠munshi.biz 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Greetings, I will be taking a session on Intro to Mono, it will include the following. 1. Setting up Mono. 2. Working of Mono. 3. Commands/Tools available with Mono. 4. Setting up of Apache with Mono for hosting ASP.NET pages. Above session will last for approximately 90 min. GUI applications with mono will be taken in some future session. Venue and time will be mailed in a seperate mail. Amish.

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Open Office Printer
by Rony Bill 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Dear Luggers, My printer queue name is 'LX300' and device is a local printer /dev/lp0. What command should I add in the command line for the open office printer setup? I tried lpr, lp -d LX300, lpr -d LX300 but nothing seems to work. The test page in the OO printer setup simply ejects the page out. The Red Hat printer setup prints the test page properly. Any help will be most appreciated. I finally figured it out upto this point from googling the net, but this is the last hurdle. Regards, Rony.

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[ILUG-BOM] IOSN.net ... FLOSS primers, localisation toolket, project workspace
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

>From IOSN.net The IOSN is producing a series of primers on Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). The primers serve as introductory documents to FOSS in general, as well as covering particular topic areas in greater detail. Their purpose is to raise FOSS awareness, particularly among policy-makers, practitioners and educators. * FOSS General Introduction Primer * FOSS in Education Primer * FOSS Government and Policy Primer * FOSS Licensing Primer Draft for public review and feedback. Localization Toolkit IOSN is in the process of developing localization toolkits that will aid localization of FOSS software. Project workspace For localization projects that require an online presence and workspace, contact us so that you can host and manage your project on IOSN. If you already have a project, let us know so that localization projects in different countries can collaborate on localization efforts. * Localization resources Resources Training Materials IOSN also produces free training materials for Free/Open Software. Training materials for end users are currently in development. * User Guide to Using the Linux Desktop This user guide is meant as an introductory guide for a user to use a modern personal computer (PC) running the Linux operating system. The main aim is to provide a self-learning guide on how to use a modern Linux desktop system. It assumes that the user has no prior knowledge of Linux or PC usage. * Other Linux and Free/Open Source Software training resources iosn-general Mailing List The goals of the mailing list is to help foster more regional communication and co-operation. Especially to provide a channel in which users from countries where FOSS is relatively unknown can get help from the international FOSS community, as well as help each other. If you would still like to be part of this community, you can subscribe via the link given below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha http://fn-floss.notlong.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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