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Fwd: fedora for ARM
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lennert Buytenhek <buytenh(a)wantstofly.org> Date: 02-Jun-2007 08:59 Subject: fedora for ARM To: fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com Hi all, I haven't been active on this mailing list since 2004 or so, so let me (re-)introduce myself. I'm Lennert Buytenhek, and I live in the Netherlands. As far as open source contributions go (other things I've done probably aren't very interesting), in the past I have written an ext2 resizer (called ext2resize), contributed ext2 support to PartEd, rewrote the bridging support in Linux 2.3.something, hacked on User Mode Linux, and a bunch of other stuff, and these days, among other things, I am occasionally seen hacking on ARM Linux kernel Things. Recently, I produced an unofficial (but-seems-to-work-all-right) port of FC6 to the ARM architecture (after having ported FC2/3/4 to ARM in the past): http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/fedora/ The current set of diffs[*][**] is available for inspection here: http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/fedora/diffs/ I'm posting here because I would really really like to get the relevant diffs merged back into Fedora. I believe that ARM is well-supported in the various upstream projects that Fedora packages, and so this should be a relatively painless process (if you look at the diffs referenced above, most diffs are actually only spec file changes to cope with the addition of a new architecture.) I'll follow up with a mail with thoughts about secondary architectures. thanks, Lennert [*] Some of which were produced by Russell King (ARM Linux kernel maintainer) or Ralph Siemsen (Netwinder project.) [**] NB: not necessarily the same set that we'll end up submitting for inclusion. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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Re:A meet next week
by Easwar Hariharan 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

> > > > > Mohan Nayaka wrote: > > > On 6/1/07, Easwar Hariharan <meindian523(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> I would like to know more about it too....... > > >> > > > Then shed your fears and install it! > > > > I have the Fedora 7 i386 ISO available (fedora has a DVD iso only), > > contact me off-list if one can come to goregaon along with something to > > copy it on (i do not have access to a dvd-writer as of now). The iso > > size is close to 3GB. I thought this thread was supposed to decide the timing and location of the meet. ;) It's going OT day-by-day....... I'm busy downloading the F7 x86_64 DVD iso, so can carry it across to > the venue. maybe i can even show you all a test install on a lappy that > i carry with me. Anyways, i'm just waiting for my connection to get > upgraded > to 1mbps (happening round the 11th of june, then i'll get my hands dirty > with > pungi and build my own *everything* 2-3 DVD install, a-la debian. Where's Nagarjuna?He's got to take the call regarding when and where the meet will take place..... Regards, Easwar

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RGF-Sarai CSDS programme for short-term FLOSS fellowships
by Frederick Noronha 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Call for proposals: RGF-Sarai, CSDS, short-term FLOSS fellowships 1 Introduction The Sarai programme of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi (http://www.sarai. net) is pleased to announce fellowships for projects related to Free/Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS) activities. This year, we have partnered with the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation (RGF) who are providing support for work in the specific area of computing, and localisation in five Indian languages, namely, Assamese, Hindi, Kashmiri, Oriya, and Urdu. We also invite proposals from projects in other FLOSS areas, especially ones that are relevant to educational, social, and community needs. Any project that meets the criteria given below is eligible for the fellowships, but we are particularly interested in: o Indian language computing, including work on fonts, rendering, locales, input methods, spell-checking, etc., as well as in advanced technologies like OCR, handwriting recognition, and speech-to-text. o Localisation into Indian languages of user interfaces, and translation of help documents for FLOSS applications. o In the interest of sustained development, we would like to see the enhancement of, and extensions for projects funded as part of past Sarai FLOSS fellowships. In particular, we draw attention to NewsRack (http://newsrack.in), Hindawi (http://www.indicybers.com), and ApnaOpus (http://apnaopus.var.cc). o Documentation for users of FLOSS tools, particularly in the area of Indian language computing. The production of video tutorials would be welcome. o Development of graphics, multimedia, and publishing tools. This would include applications for audio/video editing, animation, and desktop publishing. Enhancement of existing FLOSS tools is especially encouraged. o Putting together, distributing, and supporting a complete Indian language distribution, using FLOSS operating systems, and tools. o Collaboration software, and groupware solutions. o Writing Linux device drivers, and front-ends for common hardware, such as wireless cards, graphics cards, scanners, and printers. The other significant difference from past practice is that we will be asking for more of a collaborative approach from the fellows, both among one another, and with people at Sarai. The collaboration need not be in the actual development, but can consist of an ongoing conversation about one's work, its direction, and current status. While this has been an implicit expectation in the past, this time we are making the requirement explicit. The exact details of these will be worked out with the selected fellows, but will include things like discussions over IRC, email, and postings on the Sarai Project Resource Centre (PRC) mailing list. Fellows will also be asked to prepare a timeline for the projects, with intermediate milestones, and will be expected to adhere to them. 2 Applying for the fellowships We invite students, developers, researchers, and practitioners interested in the FLOSS arena to apply for the fellowships. While there is no prescribed format for the applications, we expect them to be in sufficient detail for a reviewer to sensibly evaluate them. Attention to details, such as a plan of work that addresses what is possible to accomplish within the limited project period, a projection of how the work might be continued after that, and a discussion of the possible impact of the project, is strongly recommended. In particular, we will look favourably on projects aimed at eventual deployment, rather than development per se. Please mail your application, along with a resume, to floss at sarai.net , with the subject line of "RGF-Sarai FLOSS fellowships". As this information is intended to be public, also subscribe to the PRC mailing list at https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc, and post a copy there, failing which your final proposal will be forwarded there by one of us. Enquiries are invited at floss at sarai.net , and on the PRC list, including questions on how to frame proposals. The last date of submission is midnight IST on Sun., June 25th, 2007. The projects will run for a total of about six months, with a final workshop to be held at Sarai, CSDS, Delhi, where the fellows will be expected to present a summary of their work. Besides this, as part of our engagement with the RGF, we will be holding workshops in regional locations, and the FLOSS fellows will be asked to be present at events local to them. The total amount of the fellowship will be Rs. 70, 000. Conditions and other details see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa

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Re: * Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by jtd 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

On Friday 01 June 2007 14:28, Praveen A wrote: > 2007/6/1, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org>: > > this is pure BS. No one migrates to foss/linux because of > > freedom. They migrate because it works. The guys who are mouthing > > off about freedom have been struggling for 20 years to build a > > kernel While the observation from the "effect" side is true AND a view from the technical side is also true the fact is that technical "superiority" lasts for a tiny fraction of the lifetime of a software package and is at best a very limited view of reality. The fact is that technical superiority is the result of freedom to collaborate, which is completely lacking in closed software. This inspite of closed software having vastly larger numbers and resources for both users and developers. Infact the entire edifice of closed software based on actively restricting collaboration and is so shaky it's a wonder it has managed to survive so long. The irony is that most of the apps bringing in revenue are the one trying to enable chargeable collaboration in every sphere. Further the technical superiority argument is a red herring and the "failure" of hurd and thousands of other open software are because of innumerable factors that has nothing to do with freedom. The visibility of failure is also due to the openeness of development. Has any body counted the number of failed efforts of closed companies?. In the oganisations i have seen in the past the ratio was 1 success for 5 failures. And by FOSS standards these successes would at best been labeled alpha software. Like all things free, it's value is realised when someone else has to pick the tab for the cleanup - be it air, water or freedom. Let's not mixup cause and effect. While one is fully justified in using some arbitary dfinition of success / tech superiority etc in ones metrics One cannot subvert freedom as a result of these measurements so that the stats look good. -- Rgds JTD

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A meet next week
by Nagarjuna G. 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

My collaborator in the SELF project, and President of FSF Europe, Georg Greve, will be visiting HBCSE, TIFR next week, from monday to thursday. He is in India from 3rd June till 15th June. He leads the free software movement in Europe. He was to come for the SELF Conference during February, but due to problems with planning he could not make it. Please let me know which day should we have a meeting in Mumbai. And friends in other locations, let me know if you like to invite him for an event, we can explore a possibility. more about him at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_C._F._Greve SELF Project http://selfproject.eu -- Nagarjuna G.

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install ubuntu without cdrom
by Kamal Paryani 31 May '07

31 May '07

hi i need to install ubuntu on a PIII laptop of which the cdrom drive is bad the laptop does not support booting from external usb cdroms in windows world i would have removed the laptop hard disk and connected it to other pc make it bootable and transfer the setup cab files on to it , put it back on the laptop and run setup but i a dont know how it can be done in linux can i connect this hard disk to some other machine install ubuntu and then put it back in the laptop and then would ubuntu re-detect all the hardware or any other idea help ?? thanks regards

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A Full Aubuntu.
by Praveen A 31 May '07

31 May '07

continuing with my earlier reply 2007/5/29, Vihan Pandey <vihanpandey(a)gmail.com>: > - Ubuntu translations does not respect upstream, they are forks. The > Rosetta translations don't go upstream (It is good in one way since > the quality of the translations are very poor)Again, do you have a web > link that states this? "However, by studying and taking part in the translation of KDE to Norwegian I have reached something like a tentative, partial and temporary "conclusion". That conclusion, to put it very briefly, is that there is something ... (fishy?) about Launchpad. Now, here is the story that has led me to this ad hoc and provisional conclusion." http://charismacode.blogspot.com/2007/01/powers-and-repositories-ubuntu-and… It has the details of the experiment he did. "Rosetta acts and exists as if it is independent of upstream." - again the same study. > > > So for me gNewSense, Debian, Fedora ... are much more important than > > Ubuntu (but again it is better than Windows, Suse ...). > > As a Debian user myself, i would rather give Debian to someone wanting > to to startup with GNU/Linux, however i don't want them to break their > heads on building drivers in their 1st attempt at install. Nor do i > want to restrict them by saying it will work only if you have this > hardware it works else it won't - in fact that gives them the > impression that it is me that is conditioning their freedom :-) We are almost there to have complete Free Softwares and if we lose now, why did we do it all along? we could all have sit content with proprietary software. > > > Freedom aspect > > is not the top priority for Ubuntu (Ubuntu website highlights Free of > > Cost availability). > > agreed. That is why I said I cannot recommend ubuntu to anyone. > > no, i meant - has anyone asked Canonical why is Launchpad not Free Software ? There has been discussions on this. Again from the study: "Over time, it will be open sourced. Right now we compete with Progeny and Red Hat and other companies, so we need to have a unique offering to do so effectively, and that's Launchpad. There are already libraries and tools in LP that we have open sourced on request, especially in Rosetta, the translation infrastructure. ..." Mark Shuttleworth "... to me, the only logical conclusion to that is that LaunchPad will be free when Canonical/Ubuntu are the only players in the market, or when Canonical's current business model fails and they switch to a different one. Which is fine: if you write some software from scratch, it's your choice what you do with it; but unless you're an underpants gnome or a slashdot commenter, the above doesn't qualify as a "plan" to free LaunchPad." - Anthony Towns, previous debian project leader. > > > Debian uses only Free Software for its infrastructure and it promises > > to give back to the community any new tools created. > > agreed. I believe that is a very important quality for a member in the Free Software community. If all they do is take everything in and not give anything back then that is not good for the community. > > > see the wiki link. It is not just launchpad, the entire data stored in > > the infrastructure is in proprietary format (Remember the case of > > bitkeeper). > > Well, at the end of the day it got dumped for git and if all you say > is true for launchpad it won't last very long either. is it a prediction? > i would rather give Debian to someone over any other distro ANY day, > only one can't do that all the time. If everyone i met was a techie > and willing to > go the extra mile - yes it works, only life isn't always like that. > The normal non > techie user DOES count. I'm working on debian to make it easier for new users, so are many. > > Sometimes it not so bad if you hold a child's hand while it is > learning to walk :-) I would love to do it myself rather than depending on someone else. > > > You will have to use a non-free program to participate in ubuntu > > development and your contributions will be stored in a proprietary > > format, you could retrieve it only through that program (remember > > bitkeeper). > > i do and i also remember how it was chucked out and replaced by git. Do you know why it was chucked out? the bitkeeper guys said, enough you can't use it any more. Here the case is different. Both guys are the same. Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign

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Apple agrees to DRM free music on the iTunes store
by Vihan Pandey 31 May '07

31 May '07

Hello everyone, Apple has finally succeeded in convincing EMI(a major record label :-) to keep its music DRM free and available on the iTunes store. It's good to see that Steve Jobs managed to convince them to do it :-) http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html Its a step in the right direction, i hope more will follow :-) i really wish they would take out a Free Software version of iTunes now :-) /me hopes... Regard, - vihan

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Fwd: [Ilug-cal-discuss] [Fwd: [ilugd] [Commercial] TYPO3/PHP Developer]
by Pradeepto Bhattacharya 31 May '07

31 May '07

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Kartik Mistry 31 May '07

31 May '07

Mrugesh Karnik wrote: > > > what about gnewsense? > > All these `freedom fighters' should not use Ubuntu. It provides access to > non-free software. Ditch. It's not listed on GNU's list of free > distributions. Use only one of the free distros listed there, none other. If > you don't follow that, shut up and stop preaching about freedom and blah > blah. Freedom comes with right to choose whatever you want. Non-Free too. Provide access and comes with default-non-free-stuffs are different things (If you can understand it). So, Speakup and don't shut up. Raise your voice, dudes. <Add some blah blah... n times here> -- -------------------------------------------------------- Kartik Mistry | Eng: kartikmistry.org/blog 0xD1028C8D | Guj: kartikm.wordpress.com --------------------------------------------------------

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by Roshan 31 May '07

31 May '07

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Sachin Gopal 31 May '07

31 May '07

Fact is free or not Ubuntu seems to have done a lot for free software by just being insanely (hyperbole) popular. Stick to one ideology and you are doomed to be one with the dinosaurs as there is no change. hypocrisy is a boon and a curse to our society -- live with it! -- Regards, Sachin Gopal Indian Pneumatic & Hydraulic Co. Pvt Ltd.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 31 May '07

31 May '07

> "Over time, it will be open sourced. Right now we compete with Progeny > and Red Hat and other companies, so we need to have a unique offering > to do so effectively, and that's Launchpad. There are already libraries and > tools in LP that we have open sourced on request, especially in Rosetta, > the translation infrastructure. ..." MarkShuttleworth http://progeny.com/ It seems that Canonical is closer to its goal of being the 'unique' (read monopoly) company that it wants to be. No matter what the reason is for Progeny to cease operations, the end result is that there is one less competitor for Canonical. Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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Re:Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, Dhawal wrote: pebkac: "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair", this IMO is the > reason for most lost/overwritten data.. > > Read my previous mail again.. > > An empty directory with a lost+found is generally seen for an empty > partition.. perhaps the /home that you see from mandriva and the one you > see from knoppix are different.. > > Compare the output of the "mount" and "df -h" command.. in both cases. I can't now,coz I deleted my partitions and remade them,thus destroying any possible rootkits. Rony wrote: > /home folder does not need special root privileges to read. Why did you > not see the /home files as Mandriva's root? Knoppix root can read files > of normally working distros. If you had a bad installation there is a > good possibility that your file system is corrupted. If you are using a > separate home partition, is it exclusively used for Mandriva or did you > use it for another distro too? Try doing a clean install by formating > all your partitions needed for Mandriva. As far as installation is > concerned Mandriva installs flawlessly. If your copy of media is bad, > get another one. If you can't get another one, let me know. 1st Question:I don't know.I am a newbie,remember? 2nd Q:My home partition is exclusively Mandriva's. The clean install is already done.....will try to get another media to make sure whether it's the media or something else.... Regards, Easwar

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Re:Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, Kenneth wrote: > have you been rootkitted? I don't think so.I have downloaded only music and the flash-plugin for FF rpm. > BTW,Right now,it doesn't matter,since my home was on cd,i deleted my > mandriva partitions and remade them and reinstalled. > Lucky you,looks like it's my copy of the DVD that has a problem.BTW,I have never had a completely unhindered install.Always the Mandriva theme is not properly installed.Could that be a part of the reason? > Dhawal wrote: > An empty directory with a lost+found is generally seen for an empty > > > partition.. perhaps the /home that you see from mandriva and the one > > you see from knoppix are different.. > > When I see from mandriva,i click on the home icon on my desktop and when I > see from knoppix,i click on the home partition (hda6),I don't think that's > abnormal. ;) > Easwar, see my reply to your earlier mail. Data doesn't get > lost/overwritten randomly.. it is mostly pebkac. What's pebkac?It was not lost/overwritten,it was not visible within Mandriva ie it had a physical existence but was not visible within Mandriva but visible from Konsole of Knoppix live cd. > Rony wrote: > > Your hard disk could be getting baddy baddy or FS is corrupted. BTW, > > what is an luser account and how different is it from user? > > > The luser account is the same as the user account. > > > Again, corrupted files? > > > Please see the next sentence or para.I chowned my way there.It was > inaccessible because i was not the owner.(I was Knoppix root,NOT Mandriva > root) > > Regards, > Easwar >

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RE:Let's Call MS's bluff
by Easwar Hariharan 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, Add your names to the Sue Me First MS list at: http://digitaltippingpoint.com/wiki/index.php?title=SMFM_list_page_11 It is a list already upto page 11 where linuxers put up their names,distro,PC config and purpose of use of Linux and call MS's bluff that Linux contains proprietary(read as MS) code and is emulating development path of Windows......it should actually be the other way round.....;) Regards, Easwar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Vihan Pandey 30 May '07

30 May '07

> > To paraphrase what GNU has said : We must not judge all of a person by just > > part of what they do. > > I thought he was the founder (and main funder) of Ubuntu and Canonical. He is and he has also repeatedly praised the Free Software philosophy and DOES support efforts regarding the same. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki > I, for one, don't use Ubuntu anymore, don't recommend it any more > until they fix these issues that's your freedom to choose. > http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pravs/What_Ubuntu_should_do_to_regain_my_con… here how i reply to that : - It does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux - It does not give importance to Freedom. what exactly are you referring to here? Yes their primary goal is giving GNU/Linux to the masses and yes they do make freedom secondary. Only making freedom secondary does NOT imply that they ignore it all together. You cannot compare them to a M$. - "Ubuntu is and always will be free of charge." there is no guarantee that it will remain Free Software After the M$ Novell deal and a not fully ready GPL v3 yet, how many projects can guarantee that they will remain Free Software? - On the contrary, they have clearly stated their willingness to include non-free softwares in their distribution. They do include proprietary drivers so new users can use the system, but other than that what other non free software are they packaging into Ubuntu? - They don't believe in Free Software. Free Software is only for software which other people develop (Launchpad is non-free software), we will have a commercial advantage in keeping launchpad proprietary, we might release it if we can't make much money out of it. If you want to contribute to Ubuntu you will have to use a non-free software which stores your data in a proprietary format. Is this your opinion or did a Canonical/Ubuntu representative say this? If yes please do give that link as well. - Ubuntu translations does not respect upstream, they are forks. The Rosetta translations don't go upstream (It is good in one way since the quality of the translations are very poor)Again, do you have a web link that states this? Also, didn't you say your concern was Ubuntu's ``lack of respect of freedom/GNU" and not their software quality. If that was true why are you mentioning this point at all? > So for me gNewSense, Debian, Fedora ... are much more important than > Ubuntu (but again it is better than Windows, Suse ...). As a Debian user myself, i would rather give Debian to someone wanting to to startup with GNU/Linux, however i don't want them to break their heads on building drivers in their 1st attempt at install. Nor do i want to restrict them by saying it will work only if you have this hardware it works else it won't - in fact that gives them the impression that it is me that is conditioning their freedom :-) > Freedom aspect > is not the top priority for Ubuntu (Ubuntu website highlights Free of > Cost availability). agreed. > > By the way - has anyone done this so far? > > > > I didn't get it. Did you mean anyone released their distro infrastructure? no, i meant - has anyone asked Canonical why is Launchpad not Free Software ? > Debian uses only Free Software for its infrastructure and it promises > to give back to the community any new tools created. agreed. > "When we write new components of the Debian system, we will license > them in a manner consistent with the Debian Free Software Guidelines." > http://www.us.debian.org/social_contract agreed and respected. > see the wiki link. It is not just launchpad, the entire data stored in > the infrastructure is in proprietary format (Remember the case of > bitkeeper). Well, at the end of the day it got dumped for git and if all you say is true for launchpad it won't last very long either. > And Ubuntu does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux. > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/linux-gnu-freedom.html agreed. > So for me Ubuntu is down the list of Free Software distributions and I > would support all distributions that gives Freedom more importance > than ease of use/technical merit. i would rather give Debian to someone over any other distro ANY day, only one can't do that all the time. If everyone i met was a techie and willing to go the extra mile - yes it works, only life isn't always like that. The normal non techie user DOES count. Sometimes it not so bad if you hold a child's hand while it is learning to walk :-) > You will have to use a non-free program to participate in ubuntu > development and your contributions will be stored in a proprietary > format, you could retrieve it only through that program (remember > bitkeeper). i do and i also remember how it was chucked out and replaced by git. > Again I have no personal hatred against Mark Shuttleworth. i never said so :-) > He has done > a wonderful job in getting GNU/Linux to masses and he is a great > speaker and amazingly good at convincing people. agreed. > But that doesn't mean > I have to agree to everything he does. absolute agreement :-) Regards, - vihan

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[COMMERCIAL] Software Engineer - i18n position in Red Hat (Pune)
by Rahul Bhalerao 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, The job details are as follows: Division: Red Hat Location: Pune, IN Travel Involved: Not Specified Job Type: Full Time Job Level: 2+ years experience Education: Bachelors Degree or Equivalent Skills: Category: Engineering Compensation: Not Specified Position Summary: Designs, modifies, develops, writes and implements software programming applications. Supports and/or installs software applications. Focuses on developing and maintaining applications used in the internationalization and localization of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, specifically for their native Language use. Essential Duties and Responsibilities: * Implement and maintain applications specific to their native language, such as input methods * Perform native language specific quality assurance of Linux Desktops * Participate in weekly team meetings and coordinate activities with dependant teams Requirements To perform this job successfully, an individual must be able to perform each essential duty satisfactorily. * Bachelors Degree majoring in Information Technology or Computer Science or Arts/Languages. * Minimum of two years related experience and/or training; or equivalent combination of education and experience. * Ability to read and interpret English language technical documents. Ability to speak native language and business level English * Computer Skills: Previous experience developing Linux Desktop applications. Understanding and experience with object-oriented design and coding. Experience developing applications for GTK/GNOME and QT/KDE. Knowledge of basic Software Engineering concepts: development models, testing, and documentation. Interested candidates may send their CVs in Open Document format to smohan(a)redhat.com with "Software Engineer (i18n)" in the subject line.

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Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, I have had a prety bad experience with Mandriva 07.I have lost THREE luser accounts and all my docs,pics and music twice coz the third time today,I used a Knoppix 5.0 live CD.The typical error message is that the $HOME/._dmrc file or something like that is being ignored coz either i either don't own my HOME or it does not exist at all! Another paradox is that when I login to mandriva with root (/root) as my home directory,my /home is empty except for an empty lost+found folder but when I browse to the same location thru the Knoppix live CD,it showed me my stuff though it was inaccessible to me.I 'su'ed to root in Konsole in live CD,chowned the Home folder,umounted the D: partition and mounted it with - w.Though I now have all my stuff safely burned onto a CD,can someone please help me out of this repetitive problem?Also,can someone help with a proper and complete installation of Mandriva on my system(personal presence would be preferred ;-)). Regards, Easwar PS:Sorry for the long mail

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New to mailing list....help required.
by Ahmed Vasgare 29 May '07

29 May '07

Hi all, I am new to the mailing list. I will try to keep myself updated through this. Regards & Prosperity. Ahmed Vasgare.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Vihan Pandey 29 May '07

29 May '07

> > To paraphrase what GNU has said : We must not judge all of a person by just > > part of what they do. > > I thought he was the founder (and main funder) of Ubuntu and Canonical. He is and he has also repeatedly praised the Free Software philosophy and DOES support efforts regarding the same. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki > > Mark Shuttleworth has AFAIK - NEVER done anything to harm/hurt Free > > Software. The only thing one can do is continue requesting Canonical to > > release launchpad as Free Software and if they are not doing it for some > > reason to kindly state that. > > > > I, for one, don't use Ubuntu anymore, don't recommend it any more > until they fix these issues that's your freedom to choose. > http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pravs/What_Ubuntu_should_do_to_regain_my_con… here how i reply to that : - It does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux - It does not give importance to Freedom. what exactly are you referring to here? Yes their primary goal is giving GNU/Linux to the masses and yes they do make freedom secondary. Only making freedom secondary does NOT imply that they ignore it all together. You cannot compare them to a M$. - "Ubuntu is and always will be free of charge." there is no guarantee that it will remain Free Software After the M$ Novell deal and a not fully ready GPL v3 yet, how many projects can guarantee that they will remain Free Software? - On the contrary, they have clearly stated their willingness to include non-free softwares in their distribution. They do include proprietary drivers so new users can use the system, but other than that what other non free software are they packaging into Ubuntu? - They don't believe in Free Software. Free Software is only for software which other people develop (Launchpad is non-free software), we will have a commercial advantage in keeping launchpad proprietary, we might release it if we can't make much money out of it. If you want to contribute to Ubuntu you will have to use a non-free software which stores your data in a proprietary format. Is this your opinion or did a Canonical/Ubuntu representative say this? If yes please do give that link as well. - Ubuntu translations does not respect upstream, they are forks. The Rosetta translations don't go upstream (It is good in one way since the quality of the translations are very poor)Again, do you have a web link that states this? > So for me gNewSense, Debian, Fedora ... are much more important than > Ubuntu (but again it is better than Windows, Suse ...). As a Debian user myself, i would rather give Debian to someone wanting to to startup with GNU/Linux, however i don't want them to break their heads on building drivers in their 1st attempt at install. Nor do i want to restrict them by saying it will work only if you have this hardware it works else it won't - in fact that gives them the impression that it is me that is conditioning their freedom :-) > Freedom aspect > is not the top priority for Ubuntu (Ubuntu website highlights Free of > Cost availability). agreed. > > By the way - has anyone done this so far? > > > > I didn't get it. Did you mean anyone released their distro infrastructure? no, i meant - has anyone asked Canonical why is Launchpad not Free Software ? > Debian uses only Free Software for its infrastructure and it promises > to give back to the community any new tools created. agreed. > "When we write new components of the Debian system, we will license > them in a manner consistent with the Debian Free Software Guidelines." > http://www.us.debian.org/social_contract agreed and respected. > see the wiki link. It is not just launchpad, the entire data stored in > the infrastructure is in proprietary format (Remember the case of > bitkeeper). Well, at the end of the day it got dumped for git and if all you say is true for launchpad it won't last very long either. > And Ubuntu does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux. > "Calling this variant of the GNU system "Linux" plays into the hands > of people who choose their software based only on technical advantage, > not caring whether it respects their freedom. There are people like > Barr, that want their software "free from ideology" and criticize > anyone that says freedom matters. There are people like Torvalds that > will pressure our community into use of a non-free program, and > challenge anyone who complains to provide a (technically) better > program immediately or shut up. There are people who say that > technical decisions should not be "politicized" by consideration of > their social consequences." > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/linux-gnu-freedom.html agreed. > So for me Ubuntu is down the list of Free Software distributions and I > would support all distributions that gives Freedom more importance > than ease of use/technical merit. i would rather give Debian to someone over any other distro ANY day, only one can't do that all the time. If everyone i met was a techie and willing to go the extra mile - yes it works, only life isn't always like that. The normal non techie user DOES count. Sometimes it not so bad if you hold a child's hand while it is learning to walk :-) > You will have to use a non-free program to participate in ubuntu > development and your contributions will be stored in a proprietary > format, you could retrieve it only through that program (remember > bitkeeper). i do and i also remember how it was chucked out and replaced by git. > Again I have no personal hatred against Mark Shuttleworth. i never said so :-) > He has done > a wonderful job in getting GNU/Linux to masses and he is a great > speaker and amazingly good at convincing people. agreed. > But that doesn't mean > I have to agree to everything he does. absolute agreement :-) Regards, - vihan

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[COMMERCIAL] System z Solutions Architect opening at Red Hat
by Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay 29 May '07

29 May '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A System z Solutions Architect is instrumental in assisting the sales team's selling efforts with specific focus on the IBM System z platform. The SA works closely with the Field Sales Reps to understand and execute sales strategies in the field to both IBM & Red Hat customers. This position requires the ability to interact with both Red Hat & IBM's field sales and technical teams, and with end customers. In this role, the SA must add significant value to the regional sales teams by delivering comprehensive Red Hat value solutions to meet the needs and unique requirements of end customers who are considering or who have invested in the System z platform. Further, the System z SA must be able to provide technical input into the creation of Educational & Training materials, as well as assisting in the development of Marketing material. Key Responsibilities Provides pre-sales technical support activities in the field – RFP responses, end customer calls, etc. Makes presentations, demonstrations, and evaluations, as needed, on all aspects of products as they relate to zSeries. Understands a wide base of hardware platforms and software technologies, but has specific focus on the System z platform. Assists sales teams in assessing potential application of Red Hat's products and partner's products to meet customer needs. Provides follow-up support in disseminating technical information on specific applications to IBM's field technical teams. Key Requirements Comfortable with solution selling process in enterprise software market. Must possess excellent interpersonal and organizational skills. Must have excellent written, oral communication, and be proficient in presentation and client facing skills. Must have the ability to work in the field in remote offices, and be self-managing with excellent time management skills. Must be self-disciplined and have the ability to work independently and as part of a team. Has proficient, well-rounded experience in technical consultative selling up to C level executives. Knowledgeable with open source technologies. 5 + years experience as a Sales Engineer. 5 + years experience with the System z (formerly S/390) platform 3 + years experience in Linux/UNIX system administration/integration/development Interested candidates may send their CVs in Open Document Format to mkamble at redhat dot com with [System z Solutions Architect] in subject line - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGW88nXQZpNTcrCzMRAgZZAKCS2w549WNzQpr/y/r7fG49QoJ6twCfciLs E0fYlPijpVtsMIAwzDjmYt4= =toPy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re:Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 29 May '07

29 May '07

Hi, I am using Mandriva 07 installed from a LFY DVD.It's the free version. I have not used any other distro as yet coz I am still a newbie. Regards, Easwar

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[OT] Measure of OT
by Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay 29 May '07

29 May '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has someone on this list calculated how many mails/first-individual-replies to OP it takes for a thread to become either OT or drag in elements of recently concluded threads ? Around a couple of years back on iLUG-Cal the count was that within 5 individual replies the thread takes a turn... :) - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGW3kEXQZpNTcrCzMRAuEeAKCo5dmOZ6GJprnaNY2HjVqCrLgifwCeMhi3 66hpQd8/9zDVinR1GjE4VGs= =UDyu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[OT] Oops for my previous mail
by abhishek 28 May '07

28 May '07

Sorry all of the Linuxers for my previous mail. -- With Regards Abhishek Amberkar ---------------------- There is no Operating System but `GNU' and `Linux' is one of its kernels.

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