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Re: Ayttm GTK2 Port
by Kartik Mistry 24 Mar '07

24 Mar '07

Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: > The gtk2 port of Ayttm is in CVS. You can check it out from the > gtk2-port branch. (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ayttm) Hi, Can you give exact location where gtk2 branch is? ayttm-gtk2 branch seems very old (last commit was 2 years ago!) http://ayttm.cvs.sourceforge.net/ayttm/ayttm-gtk2/ ~ Kartik

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Fwd: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
by Mitul Limbani 24 Mar '07

24 Mar '07

Hello fella linuxers, This is the email that have recieved from the Cyber Cafe Association President, As I am currently not in India, it would be great if a few luggers can meetup and discuss how we can move step further in a positive direction with Floss. Thanks & Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder & CEO, Enterux Solutions, The Enterprise Linux Company (TM), www.enterux.com ----- Forwarded message from contact(a)apiap.org ----- Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:21:12 +0530 From: Ashish Saboo <contact(a)apiap.org> Reply-To: contact(a)apiap.org Subject: on cyber cafe os issue To: Mitul Limbani <mitul(a)enterux.com> Dear Mitul, Thanks for your concern. Yes its unfortunate that the license scheme for cyber cafe in Mumbai has been a contentious issue. The cost for license is very high so many can't afford it . so either they will go out of business or go underground. either way it is the loss of Mumbaikers who depend on Internet cafes and the enforcement department in tracking down the grey cyber cafes . It will unintentionally criminalise many. The way out may be if the cyber cafe operators are exposed alternative option in software which fits their budget. atleast they will have a choice. Here FOSS advocates to have a role to make others aware that they do exist. Internet Cafes can be a big partner do remember 40% of Indian netizens depend on Cyber cafe . & just less than 5% of Indians are aware of Internet. cheers & best wishes Ashish Saboo President Association of Public ICT Tools Access Provider URL : http://www.apiap.org Blog: http://apiap.blogspot.com News: http://internetcafenews.blogspot.com alt email : apiap(a)rediffmail.com ----- End forwarded message -----

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Ayttm GTK2 Port
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 24 Mar '07

24 Mar '07

Hi, The gtk2 port of Ayttm is in CVS. You can check it out from the gtk2-port branch. (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ayttm) -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk

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Forbes.com: Toppling Linux
by Dinesh Shah 23 Mar '07

23 Mar '07

Software radical Richard Stallman helped build the Linux revolution. Now he threatens to tear it apart. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104_print.html -- --Dinesh Shah :-)

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[ANNOUNCE] Freedel 2007
by Raj Mathur 22 Mar '07

22 Mar '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ILUG Delhi is proud to announce yet another incarnation of it's annual FLOSS event, Freedel 2007. Book: September 28 and 29 (Friday and Saturday) to be in Delhi and join us for 2 days of FLOSS, fun, feasting and freaking out. Some of the changes you will notice when you join us Freedel this year are: Topic and level driven. All talks and workshops will be categorised into one of the following streams: - - System administration - - Collaboration and Communications - - Scientific and Research Tools - - Native Language Computing - - Legal aspects of FLOSS (licensing, DRM, policy, etc.) - - FLOSS in India, community, etc. Within each stream, all talks and workshops will be categorised by relevance to Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced users of FLOSS. No matter what your experience with FLOSS, there will be something of interest to you. Variety of talks. Freedel 2007 will have a wide range of items on the agenda, including seminar-style talks, BoF sessions, in-depth workshops and panel discussions. Suggestions on items to include in the agenda are always welcome. Community driven. We are actively inviting LUGs and other interested bodies to work with us on Freedel 2007 from Day 1 and become part of a larger effort. Expect a formal announcement for participation soon. New partner. In 2004 it was Jamia Hamdard, in 2005 PHDCCI and in 2006 JNU. Who's the Freedel partner going to be in 2007? Well, I can't tell you just yet, but keep your ears, and eyes and minds open :) We're discussing partnership with an eminent body, and hope to have things finalised by the end of this month. Suggestions? Questions? Willingness to participate? General chit-chat about the event? Please join the Freedel mailing list at: freedel(a)etc.kandalaya.org To subscribe, send an empty message to mailto:freedel-request@etc.kandalaya.org?subject=subscribe with just the word subscribe in the subject line. Please report any issues to me. Please forward to any fora you think this message may be relevant. Look forward to your joining us! Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGAnwQyWjQ78xo0X8RAibrAJ4pw63GacVCw77+swzkCNivjEZ4rwCfWKa1 Doa/0QJUZpleynlJafFKXgI= =8PHI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[Fwd: [ilugd] [ANNOUNCE] Freedel 2007]
by Parthan 22 Mar '07

22 Mar '07

-- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan [Blog] http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com [Album] http://flickr.com/photos/techno_freak/

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Minutes of March GLUG-Meet @ Netmagic, Goregaon
by Roshan 22 Mar '07

22 Mar '07

Hello All, Anurag has compiled the minutes of the meet with contributions from me. ------------------------------------------------- *Minutes of March GLUG-Meet @ Netmagic, Goregaon* The GNU/Linux Users Group of Mumbai held its March 2007 GLUG meet on 18th March 2007 at Netmagic Solutions, Goregaon. This meet was attended by about 16 people coming from all over the city. Following talks and discussions were held. * Xen - A Brief Introducion Anurag started with a small introduction on Xen hypervisor and getting started with a debian guest. He demonstrated how to get a base guest working on an ubuntu system running on xen enabled kernel. * NRCFOSS - Activities Kenneth talked about NRCFOSS and the activities it has been doing in the field of education -- Tea, Coffee, Soft drinks and Snacks sessions followed accompanied with random discussions on random topics. * Python - Getting started Krishnakant took a hands on session on how effective python can be as a teaching tool for beginner programmers. He demonstrated how simple and quick python can be to teach complex concepts like OOP programming. And another eventful GLUG meet came to an end. Many thanks to Dhawal and Netmagic solutions for arranging everything. --------------------------------------------- For a detailed version, you can visit the following URL at the wiki http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/18Mar2007 (Phew! Finally the wiki is up and running ;) ) -- FSF of India Associate Fellow http://www.gnu.org.in http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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KDE 4.0 Release Schedule.
by Pradeepto Bhattacharya 21 Mar '07

21 Mar '07

Hi, I have been asked many times about KDE 4.0 release date and such. Often, I didnot have the *exact* and *correct* reply. 4MLOC to port and maintain can't be joke and I didn't want to give any false positives to anybody. I am sure some of you have faced this problem as well. Anyways, incase you are not a regular on the dot, this is for you [1]. KDE 4.0 release schedule was published a while back. [1] http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/ Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://in.kde.org Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india

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RE: is this foss?
by james mathew 21 Mar '07

21 Mar '07

>In all these cases, it is custom built software with one client. But >suppose state A had released the code and made it available. Would'nt >B and C save a large sum by re-using what A had released and >modifying it to suit local conditions. Or suppose state C had >released the code and made it available? Wouldnt that be FOSS inspite >of the fact that it is written using proprietary tools and runs on a >proprietary platform? While agreeing that the benifits of Free Software cannot be fully exploited unless unrestricted sharing of code takes place, it is not a cakewalk as my friend imagines. It's a result of real dedicated work at the grassroots. People relaxing on top of utopian clouds may find it difficult to imbibe the intricateimplementaion strategies. The migration can take place only by gradually building up confidence. We can't expect the govts to blindly endorse Free Software by being seduced by its philosophy alone. We have to show them that it is indeed a working model. The book about which we are discussing here clearly states that it is a compilation of 'FOSS based' projects in the PSEs of Kerala. Please understand that we are talking about 'FOSS based' projects and nothing else. So we now have some solid working models to substantiate our campaigning. Now don't think that we are absolutely complacent about all that we have done. We are very much interested in taking this to the next level and this issue is addressed in the draft of the current IT policy. <quote> 8.4 The Government is of the view that knowledge generated through public funding should be freely available to the public. Facilities will be developed to ensure the same. </quote> Once this draft is finalised, all the issues that my friend is being worried about can be put to rest. >So when we talk of spreading FOSS, are we talking of spreading the usage of the foss tools and platform or are we >talking of spreading the culture of sharing of code? It should be a mix of both >In my opinion, the tools and platform >are irrelevant - the criterion is: is the code shared or not. If so, >it is foss, if not it is proprietary. Which means i would prefer a >government that commissions code in VB and shares it to a government that does it in python and doesnt share it. Abolutely misguided opinion. >The companies that bid for these contracts oppose the sharing for the >simple reason that they follow the proprietary profit model of write >once, sell many times and feel sharing will eat into their profits. Please understand that paying once for a custom made software(of which they will have absolute control) is far better than giving huge amounts as license fees to propreitary companies. >> say in a trivial sense that it's Free Software. There's only one user >> and that user is free. No user has been subjugated; no one is being >> mistreated in this way. Of course there are always other ethical >> issues that might enter the situation. There are many ethical issues >> in life, but in this one particular ethical issue, at least in that >> case, nothing wrong is being done. >this is not really relevant as we are talking not of individuals but >of public bodies Please note that a 'user' need not be an indivudual. >>Here all Govt./Aided >> high schools use "Free Software", >could you elaborate on this? What free software do they use? Is the >syllabus available for perusal? Please have a look link for some details. http://www.rediff.com/money/2006/sep/02microsoft.htm James -- HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

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USBView
by Mohan Nayaka 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Another debugging aid for USB devices : from gregkh http://www.kroah.com/linux/usb/ It depends on gtk1.2 though. Regards, Mohan S N -- Never look up when dragons fly overhead.

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beautiful
by Vihan Pandey 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

*sigh* there are few pieces of text that can touch people in today's world. This is one of them. Check Out : http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/1999/11/30/lions/index.html Regards, - vihan

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Python Book link (plus OT)
by Roshan 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Hello List, Before you assume anything, this isn't related to changing my nick on #l-i, or something of that sort. ;) I had heard about python, sometime ago and today's talk on python just influenced to do a google search on it. Luckily found a link and thought it was worth sharing. http://www.byteofpython.info/read/index.html [OT] BTW, "Thanks for hosting GLUG Meet - Dhawal" The minutes will be up on the wiki (if it is up and running), or atleast on the home page of glug-bom.org within few days. [/OT] -- FSF of India Associate Fellow http://www.gnu.org.in To err, may be human, but the reverse is not true. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Selecting PPPOE Access Concentrator
by Aniket Bharaswadkar 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

> > Dear friends... > my pppoe cant login to the server due to wrong information about > access concentrator, > > when i pppoe-discover services on my one and only eth0 interface, it > displays 3 services and 3 access concentrators. > > by default it is selecting the wrong AC and Service, and I want to > select 3rd service > > how do i select the correct one of them and log in success fully > > Thanks > If using Ubuntu , edit the file "/etc/ppp/pppoe" . In that there is option to specify the access conc name . If using fedora , "system-config-network" GUI will do the trick for you. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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Selecting PPPOE Access Concentrator
by (रेवंत) Revan t Nandgaonkar 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Dear friends... my pppoe cant login to the server due to wrong information about access concentrator, when i pppoe-discover services on my one and only eth0 interface, it displays 3 services and 3 access concentrators. by default it is selecting the wrong AC and Service, and I want to select 3rd service how do i select the correct one of them and log in success fully Thanks

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Airtel Data Card on Ubuntu
by Javed Rahman 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Hi, Has anyone used an AirTel Data Card on Ubuntu to access the internet? Any tips on how to do this? I haven't bought the card yet. I just wanna make sure it works before i buy it. Just in case this is helpful : I am using ubuntu edgy on a sony vaio vgn-fe48g. Thanks in advance, Javed.

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[Commercial] Web developers / programmers needed
by Prayas Abhinav 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Hi All, We need web programmers for some projects. Details about the company / position are given below.Those who are interested may send CVs to media.apricot(a)gmail.com. best wishes, Prayas Abhinav (for Apricot Media) ---- <<Company:>> Apricot Media is a production house based in Mumbai with strong interests in new media. We have produced numerous programmes for television. "Business Baazigar" was a recent reality based programme which was aired on ZEE TV. Presently, we are expanding our reach to young, NRI and other audiences through developing web-based interfaces. We are seeking web programmers / developers for our team for these projects. <<Description:>> We have initiated some inter-connected web projects broadly related to online video, online communities, social entrepreneurship etc. Programmers with the following skills can write to us: << Requirement: >> * Deep experience developing web applications using Linux/Apache/mySQL/PHP (LAMP) * Excellent CSS/HTML/JavaScript skills * Web 2.0, AJAX experience - AJAX frameworks - Prototype, DOJO, Cake PHP etc * Performance and monitoring of php application * Strong knowledge of current web standards & browser/platform compatibility issues * Curiousity to learn about new web technologies and approaches Salary is competitive and negotiable. Pls send your CV to media.apricot(a)gmail.com. Our office is at Lokhandwala Circle, Andheri (W), Mumbai.

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Swathanthra Malayalam Computing in Google Summer of Code
by Praveen A 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Hi, Students want to contribute to Free Software and earn some money during this summer can apply for Google Summer or Code with Swathanthra Malayalam Computing. Students can apply for working on one of these ideas (Especially adding more Indian languages to Dhvani text to speech engine). http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/SMC/SoC/2007 Regards Praveen -- പ്രവീണ്‍ അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില്‍ Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign

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GNOWSYS project in google summer of code
by Nagarjuna G. 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Students willing to join google's summer of code may want to consider contributing to GNOWSYS or other GNU projects listed at http://www.gnu.org/software/soc-projects/ideas.html. Those students who are selected for the project will be compensated by Google of which a small amount will also be contributed to FSF. Those of you who wish to spend your holiday time for learning, earning and contributing to free software, you can use this opportunity. Nagarjuna

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Vijay has Tagged you! :)
by Philip Tellis 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Vijay Alluru wrote: > Vijay A has added you as a friend > Is Vijay A your friend? > > Please respond or Vijay may think you said no :( If Vijay _is_ a friend of someone on this list, please let him know that he is no longer a member of this list.

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Members at GLUG-BOM March 2007 meet
by Roshan 18 Mar '07

18 Mar '07

Hello All, (Except the host) Add your name as a reply to this email if you are attending the meet on 18th March at 2 PM. BTW, the topics haven't been decided yet (except one I guess)! Is one allowed to carry a distro CD to the location? If yes, please get a few copies of Ubuntu / Kubuntu 6.10 -- FSF of India Associate Fellow http://www.gnu.org.in Continue to live as you would, without troubling others :) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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glug-bom.org's home page (suggestion)
by Roshan 17 Mar '07

17 Mar '07

Hello List, In the last week, I went through a few pages on gnu.org and found the link to GNU/Linux User Group, Bombay as http://www.ilug-bom.org.in which, as informed has expired, and also does not offer redirection. I sent an email to the webmaster change it to glug-bom.org and the same has been reflected now. I have a small suggestion for the home page, not sure whether it is really a great idea, but seems to be reasonably good to me. An image from the Picture Gallery could be in place of the meet's summary that would randomly change each time a user visits the website / refreshes the home page. Every month's meet summary could be put up at the same location for a few days (may be <=3 days). It will also be put up on the wiki. -- FSF of India Associate Fellow http://www.gnu.org.in http://www.india.gov.in __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Vijay has Tagged you! :)
by Vijay Alluru 17 Mar '07

17 Mar '07

[imgsrv.php?uid=25067574] Vijay A, 57 India Vijay A has added you as a friend Is Vijay A your friend? Please respond or Vijay may think you said no :( [1]Click here to unsubscribe from Tagged, P.O. Box 193152 San Francisco, CA 94119-3152 References Visible links 1. http://www.taggedmail.com/no_more.html?unsem=linuxers%40mm.ilug-bom.org.in&… Hidden links: 2. http://www.taggedmail.com/welcome.html?conn=1vkej902l&ect=41cn2u5&tId=13006… 3. http://www.taggedmail.com/welcome.html?conn=1vkej902l&ect=41cn2u5&tId=13006…

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Help:LPI examination
by laxxi25 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Hi, I want to give the LPI exams.Could anyone please tell me how do i go about giving this exam.Where are the exam centers in Mumbai.How do i prepare for the exams etc.. Regards Laxmikant S Gatcchi Have you checked out the new-look www.indiatimes.com yet?

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Google Summer of Code http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html
by Frederick Noronha 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html Google Summer of Code Google Summer of Code 2007 is on! We are now accepting student applications. We've also published some additional web app documentation for mentors and organization administrators. All the information for participants in Google Summer of Code 2007, including student abstracts and other information provided by them, is available by visiting the individual mentoring organization pages below. Mentoring Organizations Participating in Google Summer of Code 2007 AbiSource (ideas) Adium (ideas) Aqsis Team (ideas) Ardour (ideas) ArgoUML (ideas) Audacious Media Player (ideas) Bazaar (ideas) BBC Research (ideas) Beagle (ideas) Blender Foundation (ideas) Boost C++ (ideas) BZFlag (ideas) Casetta (ideas) Center for the Study of Complex Systems (CSCS), University of Michigan (ideas) CLAM ( at the Universitat Pompeu Fabra) (ideas) Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (ideas) Coppermine Photo Gallery (ideas) coresystems GmbH (ideas) Creative Commons (ideas) Crystal Space (ideas) Debian (ideas) Detached Solutions (ideas) Dojo Foundation (ideas) Drupal (ideas) DSpace (ideas) Eclipse (ideas) Etherboot Project (ideas) eXist (ideas) FANN - The Fast Artificial Neural Network Library (ideas) FFmpeg (ideas) Fityk (ideas) FreeBSD (ideas) Freenet Project Inc (ideas) Freevo (ideas) Gaim (ideas) Gallery (ideas) GCC (ideas) Geeklog (ideas) GenMAPP (ideas) Gentoo Foundation (ideas) Git Development Community (ideas) GNOME (ideas) GNU Project (ideas) GnuCash (ideas) GNUstep (ideas) Google (ideas) Haiku (ideas) Handhelds.org (ideas) Haskell.org (ideas) hugin / panotools (ideas) IEM - Institute of Electronic Music and Acoustics, Graz (ideas) ikiwiki (ideas) Inkscape (ideas) Internet2 (ideas) Jikes RVM (ideas) Joomla! (ideas) K-3D (ideas) KDE (ideas) Lanka Software Foundation (ideas) Liblime (ideas) LispNYC.org (ideas) LLVM Compiler Infrastructure (ideas) MacPorts (ideas) maemo (ideas) MetaBrainz Foundation (ideas) Mixxx (ideas) MoinMoin Wiki Project (ideas) Mono Project (ideas) Moodle (ideas) Mozilla Foundation (ideas) MySQL AB (ideas) National Evolutionary Synthesis Center (NESCent), Phyloinformatics Group (ideas) Nmap Security Scanner (ideas) OGRE (ideas) Open Security Foundation (OSVDB) (ideas) Open Source Applications Foundation (ideas) OpenICC (ideas) OpenMoko (ideas) OpenMRS (ideas) OpenOffice.org (ideas) OpenSolaris (ideas) Oregon State University Open Source Lab (OSU OSL) (ideas) OSCAR (ideas) OSGeo (ideas) PHP (ideas) Plan 9 from Bell Labs (ideas) PlanetMath (ideas) Plone Foundation (ideas) Portland State University (ideas) PostgreSQL project (ideas) Python Software Foundation (ideas) Robert H. Lurie Comprehensive Cancer Center of Northwestern University (ideas) Rockbox (ideas) Ruby Central, Inc. (ideas) Samba (ideas) SCons Foundation: Next-Generation Build Tool (ideas) Scribus Development Team (ideas) ScummVM (ideas) SilverStripe Limited (ideas) SIP Communicator (ideas) Sparse (ideas) Squeak (ideas) SquirrelMail (ideas) Subversion (ideas) Swarm Development Group (ideas) Swathanthra Malayalam Computing (ideas) Taste (ideas) The Apache Software Foundation (ideas) The Codehaus (ideas) The Electronic Frontier Foundation (ideas) The Fedora Project (ideas) The Free Software Initiative of Japan (ideas) The gEDA Project (ideas) The GGI Project (ideas) The NetBSD Project (ideas) The Space Telescope Science Institute (ideas) Thousand Parsec (ideas) Ubuntu (ideas) Umit Project (ideas) VideoLAN (ideas) Vim (ideas) Wikimedia Foundation (ideas) WinLibre (ideas) WordPress (ideas) wxPython (ideas) wxWidgets (ideas) X.Org (ideas) Xiph.org Foundation (ideas) XMMS2 (ideas) XMPP Standards Foundation (ideas) XWiki (ideas) Zope Foundation, Inc (ideas) We are no longer accepting applications from open source organizations. If you're feeling nostalgic, you can still access the Google Summer of Code 2005 and Google Summer of Code 2006 pages. We've also created a map (requires Google Earth) of all 2006 mentors and student participants for your perusal. Questions? Please peruse our FAQ and Terms of Service for more information about the program. If you still have questions, email us for support -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com What bloggers are saying about Goa: http://planet.goa-india.org/

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Reducing IT costs in Govt. Offices.
by Rony 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Hello All, The points raised by Kenneth got me thinking about this issue and came up with an idea for long term cost reduction in IT. Right now every Govt. office where the IT is implemented, has to be visited by experts who are aware of software installation as well as setup, in order to install as well as upgrade software. The offices also need sys-admins to manage admin level tasks. For an entire State, it can be a daunting task if new software packages are to be implemented over all its computers. So here is a concept that is a mix of advantages of all the current systems like Computer farms, Thin client, Network install and Raid5. There is a central server which is a very powerful machine. It is connected to various other smaller servers in different locations, via broadband or a private network and they in turn connect to other machines directly or again through sub-servers. The entire network is mapped properly. The central server is the only machine thats manually loaded with the full softwares. The other machines install themselves automatically in a cascading manner from top to bottom. The entire process is already mapped and programmed into the central server. As each of the sub-servers come up, they install the machines under them and so on. Since all the machines have their own HDDs, they run independent of their parent servers in case the servers break down. If any machine's HDD crashes, then it is simply replaced and it automatically updates itself over the network. The manpower used to maintain the systems need not be software savvy, only hardware guys. Every day when the user switches on the pc, it checks for updates/upgrades automatically through the network and is up to date without any manual effort. So only a small team of experts is actually sitting in the central server room installing software packages or upgrading them, whereas all the other systems get updated automatically down the line. A test lab is setup permanently in the central server premises where there is a small server-client network that works as a test system before the software is implemented on the central server. A hardware compatibility list can be sent to all departments so they purchase/replace hardware based on that list only. Once the setup is complete, it will be available to all vendors so in future they can create packages based on this structure only. The sys-admins too are few and centrally located in a call center and they do the necessary admin tasks on the systems. No user gets admin access. -- Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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