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Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Talking about giving out your email IDs to an unknown service... Well Yahoo, Google, etc.. were all unknown when they first started off. Weren't they? Yahoo! does ask for your alternate email ID. Does it not? Now what if they start giving off the alternate ID to spammers or some such elements? What happens then? You start victimizing all those poor souls? I have used Meebo, and I know people who still actively use it. NEVER ONCE have they felt comromised by Meebo. Obviously that does not make Meebo the example of honesty and purity, but it does call for some respect. I need to use Meebo, because I think most IM clients for GNU/Linux are useless. Yes useless. The list includes GNU Freetalk, GAIM, Kopete, X-Chat, Irssi, etc.. I know this sounds obnoxious but I will give you my reasons for saying this. I spend most of my time on the Internet behind a firewall that is very restrictive and seems to have most of the ports (including Jabber, IRC) blocked. But the thing is the Yahoo! messenger for WIndoze and GTalk client for Windoze all work. They both work just like that... out of the box. But GAIM does not, neither does Freetalk, neither does Kopete. I know there is no magic involved (this list had once lectured me on this... although I was never told something I did not know before). The apparent reason is that the ports used by these clients all seem to be blocked. But then why does the Windoze clients not get any obstruction? Why? Obviously the Jabber, Yahoo, MSN, etc. protocols have nothing to do with WIndoze or GNU/Linux. But the thing is that it does NOT work on GNU/Linux. Why??? I am not an expert on these protocols. Atleast not yet. Maybe I will become one soon, but the fact is why cant one use GAIM to do Gtalk, Yahoo, Jabber when on the same network people are having a gala time using the same services on Windoze? Why?? This where Meebo comes in. If we want to popularise GNU/Linux, then it is not a GREAT idea to tell people: "Hey this is Free Software, use it. Its great, its secure, its cooler. But give up chatting." For the non-wizard Meebo is the saviour. One cant explain a non-wizard the intricacies of firewalls, ports, etc.. They (to some extent that includes me) just need a working system. At the end of it all, I still use GNU Freetalk and BitchX and Irssi but I have to do it by sshing into a public shell server, but thats a solution which cant be applied to all. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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DHCP but no server
by Rony Bill 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Hello All, Today I tried out an experiment on a client's cablenet connection in windows. It was a pppoe connection with no static or dynamic ip assigned to the ethernet card, only a list of dns servers. By default the card was set to dhcp but since there was no dhcp server existing, the system would take time to search for a server before loading the full desktop. After a futile search, windows by default assigns a fake ip of 169.XXX.168.XXX and a mask of 255.255.0.0. The real ip, gateway is assigned by the pppoe. I set the system to static ip and gave the same fake ip and subnet. This solved the problem of the system hanging around for dhcp and the pppoe would then do its required job of enabling internet access. The same trick could be tried out for linux based systems in similar cablenet situations so that they don't hang around for dhcp servers. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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[COMMERCIAL] Linux System and Device Driver Programming from Professionals
by Concepts Systems 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

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REVIEW: Building clouds... in cyberspace
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Building clouds... in cyberspace -- Building Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP Jim Bumgardner O'Reilly Ebook in PDF format 2006 ISBN: 0596527942 Pp 48 $9.99 US, $12.99 CAN http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/tagclouds/ -- Review by Frederick Noronha Tag clouds? What are those? O'Reilly's new e-book 'Building Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP' by Jim Bumgardner explains a concept every serious user of cyberspace would have at least heard of. Says Bumbardner: "Tag clouds are everywhere on the Web these days. First popularized by the web sites Flickr, Technorati, and del.icio.us, these amorphous clumps of words now appear on a slwe of web sites as visual evidence of their membership in the elite corps of 'Web 2.0'." Wikipedia says: "A tag cloud (more traditionally known as a weighted list in the field of visual design) is a visual depiction of content tags used on a website. Often, more frequently used tags are depicted in a larger font or otherwise emphasized, while the displayed order is generally alphabetical. Thus both finding a tag by alphabet and by popularity is possible. Selecting a single tag within a tag cloud will generally lead to a collection of items that are associated with that tag." If you're a content person like this reviewer, why bother at all about all this stuff? As long as I get my neatly-laid out keywords that give me a clue of what's where, why worry? But then, someone has to do the job of getting the tag clouds to work. And that's where this book is born out of a need. It may be a fad. But one which has "real merits" when used popularly, as Bumgardner explains. This e-book analyses what is and isn't a tag cloud. It offers design tips for using them effectively, and also shows how to collect tags and display them in the tag cloud format. Interesting background on issues like craiglist's weighted cities list, and statistically improbable phrases (SIPs) or capitalized phrases (CAPs) lists provided by Amazon.com. SIP has word order corelating to the improbability of the phrase. In the CAP list, the word order relates to the frequency with which the phrase appears in the book. After some interesting history about tag clouds -- which takes us to Flickr (who doesn't know this photography-sharing web site?), tag roots in the blogging community, and Jim Flanagan's Zeitgeist idea -- things start to get technical. There's code, graphs and how-tos.Time for me to leave it to techies, who prefer raw coding to merely writing book reviews!

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YUM and Pirut
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

I find both YUM and Pirut quite slow as compared to APT and Synaptic. I don't think this has anything to do with my Internet connection, since I have used APT (and Synaptic) on the very same machine and connection as YUM and Pirut. Is this really an issue with YUM? Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by BombayNews 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

Wouldn't it be better if someone took a simple version of linux like Ubuntu Dapper (actually that's the only flavor I know!!) threw in another CD with Automatix, PLF repositories and a few desktop icons that can be installed with one click after OS is fired up. Suddenly the first-time user of linux would have a very workable competitor to Windows XP. What do people here think of this? Shiv Kumar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

>> trouble with its Wifi, one had trouble with both its CD-ROM and Wifi, >> and one has issues with the sound-card. >> >> None of these are highly sophisticated H/W (imagine trouble with CD-ROM). >> > I would just have returned those as defective. *If it doesn't work, > return it*. > Your problem was most likely with the motherboard though. But in atleast two of the cases the problem got solved with the very latest versions of GNU/Linux. The Wifi card which was not working in FC5 started functioning in Ubuntu Dapper and the latest Knoppix, while the unresponsive CD-ROM had no problems in the latest Knoppix. It is true that geeks & hackers with some effort can fix most of these issues. I don't claim to be a geek, but I feel even those belonging to the 'uber' class would not always have the time to manually rectify their hardware problems. After all, 'out-of-the-box' is a good thing to have, and Ubuntu has achieved it to a large extent. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 06 Aug '06

06 Aug '06

> I always thought that as time has gone by, driver support for > GNU/Linux (barring a few troublesome manufacturers like ATI, Lexmark, > etc.) has been fairly good. What kind of drivers are you talking about > that should be sold on CDs? > If you're talking about driver CDs like you have for motherboards, > mice, etc then that's the manufacturer's headache. Generally every > distro that is released has up-to-date drivers for the latest hardware > (provided they're stable). What more are you looking for? Although it may appear so, it is not so simple always. Acer is one manufacturer whose hardware is always troublesome on GNU/Linux. It might be Acer's fault that they ship non-standard H/W, but I feel the FOSS world needs to do something about this. I have seen 4 Acer systems, all laptops. One whose battery was not detected, one had trouble with its Wifi, one had trouble with both its CD-ROM and Wifi, and one has issues with the sound-card. None of these are highly sophisticated H/W (imagine trouble with CD-ROM). Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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GNU Sourceinstall
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 06 Aug '06

06 Aug '06

Following is taken from today's digest from info-gnu announcing release of GNU Sourceinstall 2.2: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:01:33 -0400 From: Claudio Fontana <claudio(a)gnu.org> Subject: Source Installer 2.2 released To: info-gnu(a)gnu.org Message-ID: <20060805070133.GA7147@fencepost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GNU Source Installer 2.2 released --------------------------------- This is to announce the availability of libsrcinst-2.2, sourceinstall-2.2, sourceinstall-gtk-2.2. GNU Source Installer is a package manager for GNU policies-compliant source packages. This release offers bugfixes and new functionality. For a complete list of changes, see the ChangeLogs for each component: http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/sourceinstall2/libsrcinst/ChangeLog?roo… http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/sourceinstall2/sourceinstall/ChangeLog?… http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/sourceinstall2/sourceinstall-gtk/Change… For more information see the home page at http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall or the project page at http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/sourceinstall Downloads are available on ftp.gnu.org: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/libsrcinst-2.2.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-2.2.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.2.tar.gz Install in this order. Signatures: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/libsrcinst-2.2.tar.gz.sig ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-2.2.tar.gz.sig ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.2.tar.gz.sig Signed by Claudio Fontana: http://savannah.gnu.org/users/sick_soul You can keep up with the latest development code by using CVS (see savannah project page), or fetching the latest CVS builds on ftp.gnu.org. -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> wont be able to do it - give her mandrake or ubuntu and it will be a > breeze. Debian GNU/Linux is even difficult to pronounce let alone > install. I wonder why they dont say Ubuntu GNU/Linux or Redhat GNU/ > Linux or Umm.... my Chinese friend finds it difficult to pronounce your name, or for that matter mine. That does not mean its difficult to converse with him. Atleast I don't find so. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> What's ubergeeks? (Kdict could not find it for me ;) ) Uber stands for 'super' in German, I suppose. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu
by kunal gangar 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

Hello, I am also using Pacenet internet in Mumbai. I have installed Novell's Suse Enterprise Linux and haven't been able to connect to the net. Please tell me how do I connect it? I have installed etherenet but im not able to know the numbers. Any help would be appreciated. Regards. Kunal Gangar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> huh? i usually use yum to install stuff. for drivers i download the RPMs > and install them if they're not provided by yum. Rest other times its > generally: ./configure && make && make install for me :). Also, there > was something called as sourceinstall. A nice project. Dont knnow what > became of it. Sourceinstall is still being developed. Its a GNU package now and Clauio Fontana is the maintainer. Although I do not use due to my storage limitations, I have seen brisk activity on the sourceinstall lists. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Roshan 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> Its mainly the applications .. i dont think the os > is of importance to > people as long as they can get their work done and > find help when > needed. Arent' there enough applications in most distros. It is a long list. > Linux will take off in a big way if the big distro > manufacturers like > RedHat ( Fedora ) and Novel ( Open SuSe ) provide > self installing driver > packages for their distros based on the latest > available motherboards. Fair enough. > GNU/Linux is only for geeks - that too, ubergeeks. > Because only a > ubergeek can distinguish between GNU/Linux and linux > - or worry about > the difference. What's ubergeeks? (Kdict could not find it for me ;) ) > For the rest are things like Ubuntu, > Mandriva, Suse > which work out of the box - the only thing > preventing them from > dominating is inertia Do they for every hardware? > No, not quality but compatibility. What will they do > with a free OS that will not > be 100% compatible to their needs? Yes, compatibility with different hardware. For any _normal_ user who surfs the web, uses Word Processor, spreadsheet cannot sit down and type commands to configure different hardware. Looking at the replies to the list, 1. Techies should not be lazy to migrate 2. Extensive Driver support and hardware compatibility for devices is required. 3. Software / Applications are compatible. But users need to be informed that .odt (or .sxw) and .doc are file formats for OOo and MS-Office. But OOo have wide variety of options. There's Kopete / GAIM for IM. 4. Awareness in general terms of what is "free" and what is "quality". 5. Community support and awareness through modes that would reach many. (FM Radio / Magazines / TV?) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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FC5 64-bit DVD needed
by Mahesh Gurav 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

Hi, I am new to this group and I need the FC5 64-bit DVD. Is there anyone who can give it to me. My e-mail id is leomahesh02(a)yahoo.com Any help will be highly appreciated. Thank you. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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Sorry
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

Please ignore my last post. It was a mistake on my part. Apologies, Debarshi -- , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / ): :( :o_o: "-" Copyright (C) 2001, Free Software Foundation, Inc. http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-ascii.html

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CVS Update
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

The CVS has been updated. a. bug-fixes in relationtype.py b. getAttributes() removed from baseclass.py c. getNeighbourhood() enhanced to do the job of getAttributes Happy hacking, Debarshi -- , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / ): :( :o_o: "-" Copyright (C) 2001, Free Software Foundation, Inc. http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-ascii.html

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Regarding a Library Function in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.0 (Manoj Bohara)
by Manoj Bohara 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

Hello everybody , I am porting an application from hp-ux to red hat enterprise linux 3.0 . in one of the source codes there is this conversion done of a decimal number to a number with a given base . which is called the string representation of the decimal number . the function is ltoastr . syntax : ltoastr(long integer , base ) ex : ltoastr(157 . 16) . this is will convert the number 157 to its base 16 representation . this is a library function and its in HP-Unix . i need a similar function which provides the same functionality in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.0 . I am trying to find t it . However if anyone knows about it would you plz pass on the same information at manoj.bohara(a)wipro.com . I will be highly obliged . Regards Manoj Bohar wipro technologies . Manoj Bohara "If we try , we risk failure but if we don't we ensure it . " --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] YUM and Pirut
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

>>> I find both YUM and Pirut quite slow as compared to APT and >>> Synaptic. I don't think this has anything to do with my Internet >>> connection, since I have used APT (and Synaptic) on the very same >>> machine and connection as YUM and Pirut. Is this really an issue >>> with YUM? >> >> With Yum IMO. Pirut uses Yum. > Thats right. Rohan, yes, yum is pretty slow compared to apt. Why dont > you install apt for fedora? When I first started this thread few days back, my objective was not to find a faster alternative for YUM on Fedora. I had been using Synaptic and APT on Fedora Core 2, but stopped doing so after upgrading to FC5. Partly due to my laziness, and partly due to the fact that I read APT support will slowly be discontinued in Fedora. After all if YUM is being promoted (Pirut was written for YUM replacing system-config-packages) by the Fedora Project, it should have something in it after all. What I would like to know is WHY YUM is slower than APT is at all it is. Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Anyone going for FOSS.IN -> 3 people
by Kartik Mistry 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

On 7/30/06, Mitul Limbani <mitul(a)enterux.com> wrote: > 70+ ppl, hmm lets start with the count. > > > 1) Anand (fill your email) 2) Mitul Limbani <mitul(a)enterux.com> > > > if ((going_to_foss_2006) && (from_mumbai)) > { > echo "Your name and email"; echo "Increment Subject line counter by 1"; > } > else { echo "dont bother"; > } +1 Kartik Mistry but may be by --------f---l---y-------> -- Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------- Kartik Mistry | kartik.freemind.in 0xD1028C8D | kartikm.wordpress.com -----------------------------------------------------------

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Error executing brlmonitor.....
by Naveen Kumar 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

Hi, I am getting the following error when try to execute brlmonitor cmk-ossd-moebiuscurve:/home/naveenk# /usr/lib/gnopernicus/brlmonitor -p 1089 -m braille ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (brlmonitor:2812): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. uid mismatch uid mismatch ...................... ...................... uid mismatch uid mismatch (brlmonitor:2812): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Can not open socket! (brlmonitor:2812): gnopernicus-CRITICAL **: file brlmon.c: line 220 (main): assertion `rv' failed ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please help me with the solution................. -- Naveen Kumar Project Engineer Open Source Software Division( http://ossrc.org.in/ ) C-DAC Mumbai ( http://www.cdacmumbai.in/ ) ( http://moebiuscurve.livejournal.com/ )

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Software for drawing graphs.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

Hi, Is there a GNU/Linux package that can draw graphs of values dynamically generated by a program? Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Survey on FLOSS - please help
by Vickram Crishna 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

http://flossworld.org/survey/dev_open.php I got a mail from Rishab Aiyer Ghosh about this survey: please do publicise and encourage people to fill it in wherever possible, it seems India is one out of 8 countries surveyed, where the response has been quite inadequate so far. Possibly this survey has been posted here before, but clearly it didn't have enough effect, so please excuse me for posting the link again, in that case. --- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Routing between 2 private networks.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

> Did you try man route ?? I did. You must have seen the link I attached (proof of an attempt to do my home-work). I would not have asked if I understood how to execute the solution given there. > Please do your home work well before posting on list. > Here for your ignorance am pasting output directly from "man route" You are making unnecessary presumptions. I might not know a lot about routing tables, but I dont like being addressed like this. . > route add -net 192.57.66.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw ipx4 [root@Sunflower ~]# route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw ipx4 ipx4: Host name lookup failure [root@Sunflower ~]# Thats what I get. > This command adds the net "192.57.66.x" to be gatewayed through the > former route to the SLIP interface." I read this line. I dont know what is SLIP. Would this enable the packets to return successfully to the 192.168.0.x network? They are able to reach the 172.16.16.x network from 192.168.0.x but enable to return back. > What does he do if he reboots the server or restarts the network service? Fortunately I know how to do this. One has to make an entry into one of the start-up scripts in /etc/init.d/... or /etc/rc.d... I dont remember the exact file, but I think I will be able to do it. Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Ubuntu 6.06 DVD
by Vivek J. Patankar 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

Does anyone have the DVD release of Dapper Drake? Please mail me off list if you would be able to burn me a copy. -- Regards Vivek Registered Linux User #374218 Livin' The iLife ~ http://www.ilifenet.net

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