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Re: [ILUG-BOM] CNN interviews Linus Torvalds
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 May '06

21 May '06

>> http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/05/18/global.office.linustorvald >>s/ > Linus isn't really the father of the open source movement. RMS has a > lions share to say the least :) RMS was NEVER associated with the Open Source movement. He is the founder of the free software movement, the GNU Project and the Free Software Foundation, and none of these are part of the Open Source movement. Atleast not according to RMS. (And I am a RMS fan.) Debarshi

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[ot] mono laser printer recommendation?
by Abhishek Daga 21 May '06

21 May '06

hi, am looking for a mono laser printer (and/or multifunctional device) where the primary criteria is economy in running cost. my guess is that those toners that can be refilled with ease (as opposed to buying new cartridge each time) drastically brings down the cost. is that correct? if so then what are the printers that allow for this? Speaking of multifunctional devices, are they really compelling? especially the ones which have Fax and PC fax? the samsung multifunctional 4110 is only 2000 more than regular mono laser but without a fax. any recommendations based on first hand experience, highly solicited. thanks abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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ET:Microsoft and Open Source
by Nikhil Marathe 20 May '06

20 May '06

Today's economic times(pg 13) has an interbiew with some microsoft guy about the companies outlook to open source. It seems he didn't know what he was talking about. There are a few things which stand out. 1. "We see open source as a software development method" He undoubtedly has still not opened his eyes to the revolution 2. "We compete with OSS products" He continued to mention red hat, ibm and oracle. THey don't realise that the bigger threat is from the stuff that matters to the majority of the people. its projects like KDE and ubuntu leading to their gradual fall, the ones that matter to the common people, not products made by some company. 3. "OSS is at its peak" I thought we are still at the foot of the mountain (or a plateau since we never go down) while microsoft is finished climbing and now going down 4. "99% of devs work on drivers and such" Yes i suppose kde/gnome/etc are all device drivers offering a protocol to communicate with the user's brain. its not the kernel thats starting to matter these days, its the software on top of it. I have always been one who doesn't give a damn about enterprise level software. its not a big problem if linux doesn't reach there, it is almost never seen by Average Joe. the place where it matters on the desktop, the DE's, the search tools, the browsers, the multimedia. That is what is going to reinforce linux on the desktop, that is m$ biggest threat since most of their revenue comes from windows. M$ seriously has to wake up and reassess the situation, they are still stuck in the OSS situation of say 5 years ago. What are your views on the article. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Debian Hosting
by Anil Gupte 20 May '06

20 May '06

BlankTrying this again since my first message got munged. Can anyone recommend a reliable hosting provider on Debian in preferably in Pune? We need MySQL and the ability to do scripting/perl/PHP. Alternately any suggestions for possible co-location of a small server? Thanx, Anil Gupte

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Books on Debian
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 20 May '06

20 May '06

Hi Can you suggest me good books on debian administration Thanks in anticipation MAHESH DESHPANDE Trainer for Linux Installations, Linux for End Users.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ET:Microsoft and Open Source
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 20 May '06

20 May '06

>> Must we always draw comparisons with XP? True XP is the most commonly >> used desktop OS, but then someone who has not used XP at all (or >> atleast for quite some time) might think otherwise. I for myself find >> the absence of virtual desktops in XP very irritating! > Umm....I dont use XP. I use Linux 24x7. It is only at the college that I > am *forced* into using XP. Same for me too. :( ;) > But as I said, its very simple to use - even for first timers. Thats not quite true. It is 'simple' because many people use it, or in other words there is a Windows User Group everywhere. :D It might be 'difficult' setting up things in GNU/Linux, but if you think about the system hang-ups, reboots, viruses, etc. the situation changes. > And I find the absence of a full blown CLI in XP crippling :( Quite right. > I use FC5. Dunno what version of GNOME it uses but I certainly couldn't > find it in the right click menu or any of the preferences. I was told > ( on IRC ) that I'll have to edit some files in my home directory to > make that association. Sucks! I use FC5 too and it uses GNOME 2.14. You right click a file and there is an option to 'open this file in another application' in the drop-down menu. By the way I think there is no way to perform hover-select in single-click mode in Nautilus, as it used to be in WIndows. Regards, Debarshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ET:Microsoft and Open Source
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 20 May '06

20 May '06

> I have run the latest KDE / GNOME > and they are no where near the responsiveness, intuitiveness, > userfriendliness that XP's (or M$) GUI offer. Must we always draw comparisons with XP? True XP is the most commonly used desktop OS, but then someone who has not used XP at all (or atleast for quite some time) might think otherwise. I for myself find the absence of virtual desktops in XP very irritating! > I dont see any > userfriendliness being built into GNOME. As a concrete example, I still > cannot right click any file and associate it with an app. This has been > a standard in M$ GUI for like ever and even KDE guys added it a long > time ago. Yeah this is true. While using FC2, I could not find an easy way to edit the file-type and application associations. But the right-clicking functionality is now present in GNOME 2.14. > it still lacks > a good "control panel" (infact AFAIK it doesnt have one). KDE is far > far ahead of GNOME in this case. Thats again true. Not only that, I can not really differentiate between the logic behind placing an option in the preferences or administration sub-menu in the 'System' menu in GNOME. They look very similar to me. Any idea? By the way I know one Microsoft employee who claimed that Redhat is a very bad open-source company, while giving examples about the economic failures of FOSS based firms. He did not elaborate on Redhat though, although he gave the example of Mandrake going bankrupt. Wonder how good a proprietary software company M$ is? Regards, Debarshi

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Re: ET:Microsoft and Open Source
by Roshan 20 May '06

20 May '06

> 4) People are used to Corel Draw, Photoshop,.Net, Alternatives are there such as Scribus, GAIM, Mono Project but people are not aware. If someone joins any institute for DTP course, he would have to be taught using CorelDraw, Photoshop because, "most" of DTP providers use these. > The list can go on. Please everyone, do not discuss > the individual cases > as the intention is only to highlight the problems. I haven't. But, people who are a part of the list, would know their alternatives, though they cannot be "the" alternative. *snip* > kudos rony! You hit the nail on the head :) But you > need to agree that > KDE and GNOME still have a long way before they can > become as > userfriendly as Windows UI. This brings a thought to my mind. Question: The subscribers of this mailing list, have migrated from Windows to any Linux Distribution, OR have been using GNU/Linux right from the day he/she started learning computers? Because, there would be some people, who like the Windows GUI because they were introduced and taught about the GUI and they would generally resist a change from that GUI to KDE or GNOME. Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com

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[OT] Can CD/DVD writers be repaired?
by Arun K. Khan 20 May '06

20 May '06

I have a CD/DVD writer that does not read any medium. The physical function like eject/insert of the tray works OK. On insert, the external panel LED lights up a for a moment and then nothing. I suspect the LED/head is gone. I want to explore the option of getting it repaired. If you know of any place (in Mumbai) that handles such repairs please contact me off list. Thank you. TIA -- Arun Khan Linux is like a wigwam - no gates, no windows, apache inside

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[OT] Sendmail + LDAP HowTo.
by bimal pandit 19 May '06

19 May '06

Dear All, just to let people configure an email system, I have written an article on it and want that you should go through it, analyse and test it and help me to improve it further, while in case there is any error/mistake or correction is required please let me know. though I am not an expert but your valuable input will help me to understand the mailing system. SendMail + LDAP HowTo. http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/927 regards, Bimal Pandit

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video capture card & VHS to vcd.
by Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. 19 May '06

19 May '06

Hi, How do I go about recording video onto a cd or dvd from: 1. a vhs video cassette (must be able - this is the main purpose) 2. a tv broadcast (good if posible else ..) Actually I was talking to a friend of mine who would like to set this up. I offered to help him if it was a linux based solution. I have googled and found that a lot ot documentation seems to point to video capture cards and tv tuner cards with a certain amount of ambiguity. I have looked up the hardware compatibility lists, websites of mythtv, cinelerra, mjpegtools and a few more. he already has a pretty new machine w/ 2.4 G P4, 512 ram and a 80 GB hd of which we can give linux about 40 GB. He would like to do this professionally somewhere down the line and hence would not be averse to buying a good card. I want to know which card is a better bet, a video capture card or a tv tuner card. recording tv broadcasts though is not a priority or even a necessity, the aded ability would just be icing on the cake. Any personal experiences ? thanks a mil. Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K R Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. Why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together?

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[OT] About Plan 9
by Mohan Nayaka 19 May '06

19 May '06

Hi everyone. Just out of curiosity ; has anyone in this group tried out Plan 9 ? http://cm.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/download/ has a live CD. The ISO image is just 75.5 MB. i am downloading it. will try it out today. By the way I installed Dapper Beta 2 yesterday. Boot-up has improved in this release. The installer crashed in between. I put in a bug report & they said that this issue was rectified in the latest nightly build. All is well but no audio o/p :( (in DB2) Anyway, this seems to be a intermittent configuration configuration problem with xmms since 5.10 xmms seems to be fragile. The least mistake in configuring it makes it unusable. Any suggestions for a better music player ? I am now trying out kmplayer. Regards, Mohan S N -- There will be plenty of time to rest in the grave. - Paul Erdos

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Debian Hosting
by Anil Gupte 19 May '06

19 May '06

BlankCan anyone recommend a reliable hosting provider on Debian in preferably in Pune? We need MySQL and the ability to do scripting/perl/PHP. Alternately any suggestions for possible co-location of a small server? Thanx, Anil Gupte

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Chip FC5 bad ISOs.
by PenguinPuPPy 19 May '06

19 May '06

I am a subscriber of LFY and my experience with CD/DVD is also the same 30% to 40% of the time I get faulty CD/DVD's but hey are good enough to replace them though it make take upto 10 days.I have also communicated this to LFY to improve upon their CD quality but i guess what you said is right untill and unless there is a mass level complaint nothing seems to work.

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Future of OS
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 18 May '06

18 May '06

Hi REF the current discussions about M$ and their commitment to OSS.. Till today the OS has following attribs.. Most essential part of a computer for controlling access to h/w M$ dominant in OS So comtrols many applications ?? !! M$ has max profit in WORD (60% ?) So its not OS its APPS thts future Enter GOOGLE and its gmail services one of the MOST used apps (% ??) you(a)gmail.com is fantastic it is slowly being expanded to anynames(a)yourdomain.com That means for users of mail servers no installation no maintainance no spam ? If this becomes successful Google will be a dominant application server In such a scenario (in future) an OS will become equivalent to hardware just a tool to connect to the net. Then once you are on the net what matters which application is best by which suppliers. For mail and groupware I may connect to Google For Word or doc I may connect M$ That means no purchasing of Apps Now the BIG Question for the companies who are heavily dependant on their apps what ................ ANY TAKERS FOR THIS.... MAHESH DESHPANDE Trainer for Linux Installations, Linux for End Users.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] mono laser printer recommendation?
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 18 May '06

18 May '06

Hello All A thought on printers.... We generally have two types of print jobs 1. light jobs :- are usually needed "right now" typically 1-2 pages economy is not the criteria 2. Heavy jobs :- Its OK if we get the jobs next day, done from a Print Shop in Andheri or so.. SHOULD BE ECONOMICAL and preferably managable via e-mails.. This seems to be a good business proposal and very good for us who need heavy printing jobs If anybody knows such printer peopl pl let us know ONE MORE India could become a PRINT AND POST HUB FOR THE WORLD !!!!!!!!! Any Takers ;) MAHESH DESHPANDE Trainer for Linux Installations, Linux for End Users.

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Breaking News !
by Prabhat Sandheliya 18 May '06

18 May '06

Hi guys, I am sure you remember, the story I posted few days back, on the mailing list ( http://groups.google.com/group/lug-indore )about Ankit Fadia, "Ankit Fadia : The real picture " . There is a new twist in the story. :-) I sent this mail to various people, including one IT and Cyber Law expert, Deepti Chopra. She also felt that Mr Fadia is doing something fraud and misleading people. She talked to Certificate authority of India and questioned about the authenticity and credibility of the certificate. When I posted the original story to various people, I got many positive responses. I forwarded all those mails to Deepti and she passed them to the Certificate authority of India. Now the twist in the story. :-) Deepti just informed me that, she got positive reply from Certificate authority of India. They have issued a notice to Mr Fadia and CEO, Reliance Web World to stop the issuing certificates. Now we are also thinking about taking some legal action against Mr Fadia and Reliance Web World. Cheers to our victory over unethical business practice and fraud. :-) Do send me your suggestions and views. -- Prabhat Sandheliya --------------------------------------------------------------------- Promote Linux - Join mailing list : http://groups.google.com/group/lug-indore (Linux Users Group - Indore)

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Problem printing with Gnome/RH9
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 17 May '06

17 May '06

I am running gnome/RH9, and it has an annoying non-printing problem. When I bring up Print Manager (which turns out to be a gnome utility) it first says there are no printers and then helpfully asks if I would like to add any, using the Printer Configuration Tool. Upon clicking "yes", this comes up, immediately showing my HP DJ 840C exists and has a path already laid out. I can "Edit" this but there is nothing to add that I can see. When I close the edit box, I have the option to "Apply" the new settings, but even after doing so, the Print Manager fails to show me any printers. While I can print a test page from the configuration tool, I can't print anything else, meaning no documents created or viewed in OpenOffice, or pdfs or pix. How do I fix this problem?

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Re: Problem printing with Gnome/RH9
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 17 May '06

17 May '06

Quoting Siddhesh Poyarekar: > > While I can print a test page from the configuration tool, I can't print > > anything else, meaning no documents created or viewed in OpenOffice, or > pdfs or > > pix. > > > > How do I fix this problem? > Are you setting up openoffice to use the new printer? I think that is > required. I don't see any option like that. OpenOffice wants to use a 'generic' printer by default, because gnome can't see the attached printer, while the printer configurator can. These two parts of the total set don't seem to be sitting at the same table. In any case, it is not just OpenOffice, I can't print at all, except the test page (from the printer set-up tool within the configurator).

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Commercial - TAX Calculator
by TAC Forums 17 May '06

17 May '06

Hi We downloaded the tax calculation sheet from the link below. http://ynithya.com/taxcalc/TaxCalc_2006.xls We opened the said file in MS Excel, filled in all the necessary and required cells and it calculated the tax for us. However later when we opened the document in Open Office 2.0 the tax calculated was almost doubled without making any changes to the documents. We posted a query in the openoffice list and got the following reply. ========================================================== Have you re-written the macros in OOoBASIC? I think this task needs to be done before you can use this spreadsheet properly under OOo. To help you with this task, see the Cross-reference docs and tools at http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/index.html Remember, OOo does not use VB. ========================================================== Would anybody be interested in taking up this task and how much would it cost. Would appreciate an offline formal quotation for the same on the following email address support(a)theargoncompany.com. -- TAC Support Team

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Squirrelmail password changing option
by Ramang G 16 May '06

16 May '06

HI, I have installed squirrelmail successfully but iam not able to change the password .Any help? thanx in advance, Raman. --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

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Chip FC5 bad ISOs.
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 15 May '06

15 May '06

Hello All, The Chip DVD containing the FC5 ISOs has a bad disk_2 iso. Even the replacement dvd has the same problem. Has anyone else faced the same problem? Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] DSL not working in SUSE 10.0
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 15 May '06

15 May '06

> > > > I am going to install SUSE 10.1 in a few days. > x86-64 edition, by any chance? > Nopes I have SUSE 10.1 - i386 version . Just downloaded it. If anyone wants , please contact me , I can burn them for you after June 12th, after my exams end. Mail me off the list.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Ubuntu CDs and Debuging using gcc
by Roshan 15 May '06

15 May '06

> Dear All > > We ( K.J.Somaiya College of Engineering , > Vidyavihar Mumbai) are > organising Short Term Training Program on OPEN > SOURCE SOFTWARES : An > Effective Way Managing Engineering Education > between May 15 and May 26 > 2006. > We plan to distribute *Ubuntu Linux* to all > participants ( around 50) so > please guide me from where I will get those CDs of > Ubuntu Linux. Sir, It's a little late, for this. You could have got free CD's (as many as you wish) of Ubuntu Linux (packaged, with good paper covers) from http://shipit.ubuntu.com but, you had to order it atleast a month before. I am a student of S K Somaiya College of Arts, Science and Commerce, pursuing my T. Y. BSc (I. T.), and my university exams end tomorrow. If required, I can give a copy of Ubuntu 5.10 tomorrow, and you could make multiple copies of it on blank CD-R's and distribute. > One more problem please guide me *How to debug > using gcc* or any other > book for that because I plan deliver the > lecture on that topic. In one of my bookmarks, I had this link ... http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ Debugging-Options.html Hopefully, it should be helpful __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] DSL not working in SUSE 10.0
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 15 May '06

15 May '06

> > > > I have a similar connection with two different linux machines. Both need > different > methods to connect. One of the two methods can help you. > > I think you need to check the IP settings. Mostly your server is not > supporting > DHCP. so you need to find out the IP address you need for your ethernet > card > and > assign the same to it mannually. Before doing adsl-setup/adsl-start you > can > try : > # ifconfig eth0 [your IP address] > > 1. or better run network configuration service: > # system-config-network > and edit the configuration of your ethernet card(mostly eth0). Fill in the > IP address, > Subnet mask, and default gateway. I'm not sure if this service is > available > in SuSE. > > 2. Otherwise, if available you can try #netcardconfig and #pppoeconf > commands as well . > to do the same. > > PPPOE does not need any IP addresses to be put up. Its the same as dialup connection , the only additional parameter being that one has to specify "service name" along with username and password. You are confusing DHCP with PPPoE. Also PPPoE is not dependant on the IP address assigned to the LAN card , it can be anything or nothing. So you do not have to specify the Default Gateway , DNS etc ..its done automatically each time a connection is made. The easiest way to setup a PPPoE connection is as follows.... 1> run "/sbin/pppoe -A" from the terminal and note down the service name. 2>If you are using any RedHat system , just fire up "system-config-network" and in new connection select "XDSL" , enter username password and service name . 3> If using Ubuntu , do "sudo pppoeconf" and just follow the instructions on screen. Also remember that you have to set the MTU/MRU to 1492 or such value and _NOT_ 1500 for PPPoE to work properly. 4>In SUSE you can do it using Yast /Kinternet , I had done it once long time ago in SUSE 9.1 LIVE Cd. Dont remember the procedure exactly. If anyone can shed more light on this please....I am going to install SUSE 10.1 in a few days. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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