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Re: list going to the dogs
by Dot Dot 05 Apr '03

05 Apr '03

Hi Geeks, This is my first mail to the ILUG, but I do follow mails exchanged. With due respect to all of the luggers who expressed their views on this thread, I would like to point out something from a newbies point of view. 1. Please understand that we are new to Linux. We want help from LInux gurus like you to help us. And there are many of us, feeling reluctant to ask questions, because we dont know if they will sound silly. 2. Please dont intimidate us with strict rules for sending a mail to LUG mailing list. Let us feel free to ask questions, even if it looks like trivial to geeks. We understand that your time is valuable. But we would like to request you to take some time out to sort out our issues. I understand it when you get irritated seeing a mail seeking job. But let us be happy that there are people out there looking for a job in Linux. We are growing. Let us not think that they are not upto our standards. They didnt get a chance to understand Linux earlier. 3. We will be sad if you start a new mailing list for linux gurus. We will feel left alone. I thought we want to make people aware of Linux and encourage them to use it. Not to create groups of geeks and newbies. Please dont discriminate. Try to help us solve our trivial issues. 4. I personally will agree to categories. Let us give it a try. There is no need to enforce it strictly. The views expressed here doesn't implicate that any of the esteemed lugger thought low about the newbies. -- Newbie __________________________________________________________ Get Your Electric Email at http://webmail.electricmela.com

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IndLinux.org releases Hindi interface for Gnome
by Clinton Goveas 05 Apr '03

05 Apr '03

More news from the translation front. IndLinux.org has released a Hindi version of the Gnome interface, opening open source software up to the more than 400 million Hindi speakers globally. http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/04/04/2050257 Regards, Clinton Goveas http://www.clintongoveas.com --- "Life. Liberty. Pursuit of Happiness."

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Mandrake 9.0 help
by Sheetal Chopra 05 Apr '03

05 Apr '03

where I can find: > _ltmodem-kv-_2.4.19_24mdk.826a9-1.i586.rpm_ ? This appears to be the > needed driver to run an Intel/Agere AC '97 'winmodem' under Mandrake, > but despite searching I have not been able to find it, either in the > Mandrake CDs, nor on the internet. Thanx in advance Sheetal --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more

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[HUMOR] re netiquette warning of afterlife for wrong doers like spammers etc,
by Dinesh Bareja 05 Apr '03

05 Apr '03

Hi folks - we have been devoting a lot of our energies and bandwidth to newbies, geeks, top posting, spammers and whatever. I got this on another list I am subscribed to and I am sure you will find this a welcome change. Lets hope the wrong doers will be enlightened and will mend their ways once they read this !! And I marked the subject [HUMOR] to allow necessary *action* before or after reading this mail. Dinesh ------------- QUOTE ------------- A woman approached the Pearly Gates, and Saint Peter asked for her social security number. The woman told him, and Saint Peter typed on his workstation: pearly-gates:~/peter> grep 212-53-6432 /earth/human/status The computer responded: 212-53-6432 Cindy Smith cms(a)dragon.com!earth naughty pearly-gates:~/peter> Saint Peter then told her she was eternally damned, and that a minivan to hell would be arriving shortly. Cindy began to protest "but what did I do wrong? I loved my fellow neighbor as I loved myself, I was a kind, warm, gentle person! Surely there must be a mistake!" So, Saint Peter looked up on the files, and saw, lo and behold that she truly was a kind, warm, gentle person...until he saw the entry for jan 7, 1992-earth, which read: ***DAMNABLE VIOLATION #69*** Posted irrelevent article to newsgroup. After probing a little more, Saint Peter explained to the woman "It seems that on Janurary 7, 1992 you posted an article to Alt.religion.computers. This article gave no praise of Emacs, no snide remarks toward Microsoft, and not even a comment on the proper definition of 'hacker'! In fact, the article was not even relating to computers at all, and discussed, of all things, human religion! There wasn't even a reference to Bob or Discordianism, Zen, or the Tao of programming. Oh dear, this is terrible." "You see, heaven is a perfect place, and we only have room for the most perfect people. Ever since we ran the T-3 line up from New Jersey we've been particularly harsh on breakers of netettiquite. Didn't you read RFC-23654? The one proposing commandments 11 through 16?" He opened up an XTerm window and searched for some files. After a few moments, the laser printer spat out a crisp sheet of paper. It read: 11: Thou shalt not flame spelling or grammer. 12: Thou shalt not have a .sig file longer than 3 lines. 13: Thou shalt not send "All fags must die" messages to 19 random groups. 14: Thou shalt not request post a frequently asked question. 15: Thou shalt not post to a group without first reading a week's worth of posts, thereby avoiding irrelevent articles. 16: Thou shall not post administrative requests to the main list. When she was done, she began to stammer, but Saint Peter stopped her, saying "I'm sorry. There's nothing I can do. To register a complaint, you'll have to send mail to status-change-request(a)godvax.heaven.com. We have a group of cherubum who manage such requests. But don't send it to status-change(a)godvax.heaven.com, otherwise your request will be distribute to the whole mailing list. They *hate* that! In fact, there's some discussion about making that the 17th commandment..." At that point, a Dodge minivan drove up and came to a stop. Satan, in the form of an IBM salesperson, stepped out. "Welcome!", she said. "We've been waiting for you..." Cindy, almost in a trance, stepped into the minivan and was wisked away to the netherworld, a world of COBOL, System 36's, punch cards, incompatible network standards, and irresponsible news posters. Satan turned to Cindy, and smiled. "You'll like it here", she said, "We have netnews, but we've greatly simplified it. We have only one group, it's alt.talk.sci.comp.soc.rec.misc!" ------------- UNQUOTE ------------- Best wishes - Dinesh Bareja (M) +91 98203 90159 (T) +91 22 2878 9067 |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | ======== http://www.ideagrid.com ======= | | winning strategies ! simple ideas ! | | Open Source Products, Services & Training | |---------------------------------------------------------------------|

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Promotions etc. for workshop at SAKEC
by Ashok Iyer 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

Hello all, How do we go about with the promotions for the workshop? Most of the audience would not be having a clue of what GNU is all about. If enough awareness is not created about the workshop, the students would not be interested. I hope you understand. The college management does not know much about this either and hence cannot be relied upon to create awareness. If you can give some pointers on how to go about creating awareness, it would be really helpful. Regards, Ashok Iyer

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April GLUG meet venue?
by Kapil Karekar 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

Hi comrades :D I sincerely think that we should not shuffle around the venue for the monthly GLUG meet. This causes a lot of confusion ... to a lot of people. Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education (HBCSE) at Mankhurd is a good venue. Among all the venues used for previous meets it has been the best. There we have a good airconditioned lecture hall (Summer hai bhai ;-) ...), a projector and a PC available. There is no need to shuffle around the venue. If everybody agrees then I'll put up the notification on the GLUG website. let's not flood the list with one-liners saying "I agree". If anybody has any objection to the GLUG meet being held at HBCSE then we can discuss it like sensible adults :)) Happy Hacking, Kapil Karekar

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Govt. not to support Open Source alternatives
by Chrisil 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

Found this on /. LinuxWorld <http://www.linuxworld.com/> has an article <http://www.linuxworld.com/2003/0401.indiaopensource.html> with statements from the Minister of Information Technology and Communications of India stating that India is not going to support Open Source alternatives Government-wide. Look like the government dosen't want to take sides. But whether they are keeping the options open or closing doors is the question. Chrisil ===== "I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

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File and Samba Srvr
by Kamlesh Shah 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

Can some one list out the minimum installation required for debian to work as file server, basic authentication, w98 to be clients using Samba, execution of login script and optionally a wine to use windows applications. Regards K. Shah

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linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
by Amish Munshi 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, If we havec changed from ILUG to GLUG why cant we also change linuxers to something better? I guess when it is time to renew the domain name we can also change the ilug-bom.org.in to something better. If the domain name is requiring a renewal soon then we can change both the linuxers and ilug-bom.org.in together, also try to make the entire email address of mailing list a little short since newcomers do find it a little long due to 3 seperators in the email address. Bye. - -- Amish K. Munshi Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/imp for my public key. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jOxCbCDhioPGUZ4RAv5KAKCurt25rJdoJQU2NBSDtDPY0pMJYACgoo35 Txx9+Hso9bjhgT1KrvjWp8Q= =r4av -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Govt. not to support Open Source alternatives
by Matthew, Anu 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

M$ wont invest/spend if they dont foresee ample returns. In fact who would do in the corporate world? All the parties know that, I guess. Besides, the (un)-usual perks may be more lucrative to favour non-open-source alternatives. ~AM Found this on /. LinuxWorld <http://www.linuxworld.com/> has an article <http://www.linuxworld.com/2003/0401.indiaopensource.html> with statements from the Minister of Information Technology and Communications of India stating that India is not going to support Open Source alternatives Government-wide. Look like the government dosen't want to take sides. But whether they are keeping the options open or closing doors is the question.

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Meetings of April
by Amish Munshi 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, The April meeting is being sechduled on 13th of April. Someone had come with a proposal of SIES offering a venu for the meeting, if it is possible them do decide and let me know immidiately. I have unfortunately not been in touch with the mails on the list, but realized that a introduction on ZOPE is required. If any of you are conversant with ZOPE then please come forward and let me know. The other topic is going to be in Localization of GNU softwares by Proj. Jitendra Shah. Bye. - -- Amish K. Munshi In GNU we trust. Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/imp for my public key. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+ipD2bCDhioPGUZ4RAgA1AKCo9SAnXVQxTJKP7v9CsqFuxytJ5gCgmyQP osWQ0yRCpmRG1wrD/ZxE6oU= =xEgZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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problem running java code in jedit 4.1
by Rohit 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

I am using jedit 4.1 as a java editor on linux. The following piece of code compiles well using the JCompiler plugin to give a class file. > import java.io.*; > > class HelloWorld > { > public static void main(String args[]) > { > try > { > BufferedReader buf=new BufferedReader(new > InputStreamReader(System.in)); > > String s=" ",s1=" "; > System.out.print("Enter your string : "); > s1=buf.readLine(); > s+=s1; > > buf.close(); > System.out.println("Your string is : "+s); > } > catch(Exception e){} > > > } > } However when i try to run this program thru java command of Console plugin of Jedit ,it hangs out and i do not get any o/p. whn i try to run the same proram by java command line option of the generated class file it works well. So in shrt can someone suggest how do i tweak jedit to run my program within jedit and not going to the command line.

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Regarding FFP Tool...
by Vasu 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

all, Is there any opensource source code for calculating the Full Functional Point(FFP) and total estimation of the project. If anyone having any idea regarding this plz help me........ Thanx in Advance..all, -- With Best Regards, Vasu

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GLUG site updated
by Kapil Karekar 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Hi Luggers, The GLUG site has been updated ! Kapil Karekar - your friendly neighbourhood webmaster :-)) Appeal: If we have any experts of ZOPE on the list ... please contact me at: kapil {at} libretech {dot} com http://www.ilug-bom.org.in

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rsh issues
by GNUrpreet Singh 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

hi i had a small problem . i m actually using PVM in it and pvm inturn uses rsh for the communication between different nodes of a cluster. now the problem is that i am being able to rsh between the nodes using commands like [tony@micks tony]$ rsh tonylin [tony@tonylin tony]$ ls ***here micks n tonylin are the host names and tony is the user name**** this kind of a thing works fine, BUT there is another option in rsh such that we send only one command and it gets executed remotely, but i get an error like [tony@micks tony]$ rsh tonylin ls rcmd : socket : Permission Denied [tony@micks tony]$ now i even checked /var/log/messages on both the machines (micks and tonylin) but found no entry! pvm uses similar things thus i m not even being able to add a host on the virtual machine and it also gives the same error message. plz help me on this. GNUrpreet

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Improving the list
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

We were talking about improving the quality of this list, so here are some random suggestions that come to mind: o Introduce the list to new members; it always helps to have critical mass. o Ask list members what *they* expect from the list o Expand the admin team, allocating specific responsibilities to each o Set up another mailing list for linuxers-admin, to coordinate activities among the linuxers o Link up events/reports/happenings on *this* list with (i) other LUGs and FSUGs in and around Mumbai and within the rest of India and (ii) other international networks such as linux-announce(a)NEWS.ORNL.GOV This work should be specifically alloted to one or two persons o Encourage silent members to post o Lot of behind-the-scene emails to encourage more positive activity on the list o While getting angry is natural and a sign of youth, higher politeness levels could ensure better communication o Women members, who seem conspicuous by their absence, need special encouragement... Suggestions from others could take this debate forward. Greetings from Goa! FN -- Frederick Noronha : http://www.fredericknoronha.net : When we speak of free Freelance Journalist : http://www.bytesforall.org : software we refer to Ph 0091.832.2409490 : Cell 0 9822 122436 : freedom, not price.

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Looking for a YellowDog Linux 3.0 Installation CDs
by Clinton Goveas 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

I'd like to obtain the 3 Installation CDs of YellowDog Linux 3.0 for PPC. I plan to use them on my (Graphite, 1 USB, pre-2001) iBook, which is supposed to be supported. Can anyone provide it? Or, does "someone" know "anyone" who can? Please let me know. More info: http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/products/ydl.shtml Regards, Clinton Goveas http://www.clintongoveas.com --- "Life. Liberty. Pursuit of Happiness."

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UberGeek's Switch To Linux presentation (?)
by Clinton Goveas 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

I just thought I'd share this satirical presentation (by UberGeek.TV) with you guys, on why everyone should (not?) switch to GNU/Linux: http://www.ubergeek.tv/switchlinux/ Regards, Clinton Goveas http://www.clintongoveas.com --- "Life. Liberty. Pursuit of Happiness."

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Issues with Linksys wireless LAN card
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Hi all-- I run Mandrake 9.0 on my laptop.I have a linksys WPC 11 wireless (802.11b) card which i would like to make use of while working on Linux. I got the driver from Linksys and configured it such that I use pcmcia_cs instead of kernel PCMCIA code.the driver was compiled and successfully installed. i opened the wlan-ng.opts file to insert the SSID of the network which in my case is (SMU1911).The campus network uses DHCP. However modifing the file and restarting pcmcia did not help. I know for sure the device is installed because cardctl ident shows the device name correctly.Also when I try to connect from the Mandrake Control center I can see that although bytes are being received, no bytes are being sent. Is there anything that i failed to tweak.what else do i need to have a look at and modify? TIA rgds -NDK _________________________________________________________________ Vrroooom Fasten your seatbelts. http://server1.msn.co.in/msnSpecials/formula2003/index.asp Get set for F1 2003

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Again: Needed Help on Apache Configuration ASAP
by Prashant Parab 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Hi Aswin, If you are getting the page from your m/c that means apache is running. Check your IPCHAINS setting. I think you must have blocked other user to connect to your webserver. --Prashant

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lpr printing to a dot matrix printer, pls help on some finer aspects supposedly
by Rahul Saxena 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

we are sending a string to a lpr using FILE *prn = popen ( "lpr","w"); finally we do a pclose() this routine get called for some asynchronous event. the problem is that after every close or new open ( i dont know ) the lpr gives a page feed ( or form feed ) and runs to the next page. now the stuff we are printing is 5 lines long i dont want the whole page to go waste.. how do i stop this from happening. i tried keeping FILE *ptr as extern but it does not work ( should it work, ?? ) HELP !!! rahul

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module compilation problems
by Rahul Saxena 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

hello, i am trying to compile the ligitech quickcam driver for 2.4.20, it does not work beacuse some structures inside (kernel source) linux/usb.h have been changed. however when i changed all references to these old structures i am getting a undefined error for the structure. and i am including ( /usr/src/linux/include/linux/usb.h ) can anyone help out here. rahul

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Meeting of April UPDATED
by Amish Munshi 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, I just read the mail from Harsh, if Zope was covered in the last meeting then I guess we should have some other topic covered in the meeting. Anyone who can provide info on some other topic? Bye. - -- Amish K. Munshi God helps those who help themselves. Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/imp for my public key. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+ipFibCDhioPGUZ4RAtsgAJ0Xcvi/thMs4wB2YAYAcLdvM9RFbgCdGmbP 6jlTKZaWUuC+eAaUXW1SQSI= =tY1N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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top-posting
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Is it just me, or do people here really don't know what "top-posting" is and why its frowned upon? Sameer. --

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(no subject)
by amit kalyani 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

hello, I am having a dual system. I recently changed my IP adress of my computer. Now I want to reconfigure the IP addresss in my linux OS. Can anybody help me regarding this matter. thanks and regards, amit. Amit R. Kalyani M-Tech Civil (structures) Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, Powai, Mumbai-400076. Hostel 4, Room no: 379. phone:5721008,5720194. _______________________________________________________________________ Odomos - the only mosquito protection outside 4 walls - Click here to know more! http://r.rediff.com/r?http://clients.rediff.com/odomos/Odomos.htm&&odomos&&…

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