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[Fwd: Re: [ilugc] Indian Language support under GNU\Linux / X]
by Sachin Rase 28 Dec '02

28 Dec '02

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GNUnify - The All India Free Software Festival
by N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

Hello Luggers, We the students of 'Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies and Research' (S.I.C.S.R.) want to contribute to the GNU project. With this aim in mind, we are organizing "GNUnify", with the whole hearted support of the management of our institute. Symbiosis Society needs no introduction, but since on the list there are also people from the international free software community, I would give a small introduction about Symbiosis & our institute. # About Symbiosis Established in 1971, primarily to promote world understanding between Indian and foreign students through education, Symbiosis International Cultural and Educational center runs seventeen academic institutions in various disciplines such as Management, Law, Computer, Journalism, Telecommunications, Arts, commerce and even Kindergarten, Primary and Secondary education. The student strength of Symbiosis is over 16,000 and students from over 32 different countries and from all states of India are presently pursuing education in different Symbiosis institutions. We in Symbiosis believe that "World is one Family". # About Our Institute. Since its inception in 1985, S.I.C.S.R is striving to give quality education to students through its several full-time & part-time affiliated and autonomous courses. From this year SICSR is a constituent of Symbiosis International Education Center (S.I.E.C), Deemed University. # About � GNUnify � The annual fest of SICSR � �Unify�, is composed of various cultural, academic events & contests. This year we are adding a new feather to our cap-GNUnify, our own way of contributing & encouraging the free software movement. HomePage: http://www.sicsr.ac.in [Note: Website will be up by 1st week of Jan 2003] E-Mail: gnunify(a)symbiosiscomputers.com # The Objective of GNUnify . To unify & encourage the efforts of GNU Developers across the country by awarding the best & motivating the rest. # Events under GNUnify 2003 are: 1. Code-Presentations (open for all) 1.1 App Dev (Web Apps, Biz Apps, Edu Capsules) 1.2 Embedded Linux 1.3 Network Programming 1.4 Kernel Development / Device Drivers 2. Paper-Presentations (open only for students) 2.1 General for e.g. .... Socio Economic Aspect of using GNU/Linux .... Does GNU/Linux make sense for India? .... Will China go ahead of India, if they turn to free-software? 2.2 Free Software B-Plan Contest The major concern of most developers is that since GNU is free there is little / no money to be earned out it. To disprove this a free s/w or gnu based B-plan contest. People submit their B-plans built around free s/w. 2.3 Technical for e.g. .... How to use Apache .... Migrating from ASP to PHP .... Wirel 3. Techie-Talks [Under Planning - We are inviing speakers from accross the country.] 4. Hands-on Workshops [Under Planning] 5. Install-Fest of GNU/Linux [Distributions: Debian, Redhat, Slackware, Mandrake, ...] 6. Movie Screenings. [RMS Public Lecture @ IIT-Mumbai & Linux-The Code Movie] Event Dates: 15 & 16 Feb 2003 Tentative Program for Day 1 !!! 15 Feb 2003 - Saturday 1. Hands-on-Workshops 2. Install Fest 3. Techie Talks 4. Movie Screenings Venue: SICSR (Atur Center) Tentative Program for Day 2 !!! 16 Feb 2003 - Sunday 1. Selected Paper Presentations 2. Selected Code-Project Presentations 3. Public Lecture by RMS (We await his confirmation.) 4. Prize Distribution Venue: Vishwa Bhawan Thanking You, Navin Dhanuka Student, Msc (CA) SYMBIOSIS INSTITUTE OF COMPUTER STUDIES & RESEARCH. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: basic help
by Parul Mathur 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:30:59 +0530 > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] basic help > From: Abhijeet More <abhijeetmore(a)rolta.net> > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 09:05:03PM +0530, rajeev rajpopat wrote: > > > > I am now looking for a book for the beginers - preferably in e form. > > Can someone suggest a site from where I can download the same. No less that 17 free online books on Linux for beginners are available at http://www.tcfb.com/freetechbooks/booklinux.html Books on Linux System Administration and Linux Application Development are also available at the same site. Parul

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Re: Making the baby HP Deskjets: 3320, 3325 or 3420 work with Linux?
by Parul Mathur 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:11:59 +0530 > From: "Baji J. Ram Rao" <ramrao(a)bajirao.com> > Organization: Bajirao Technologies Private Limited > To: linux-india-programmers(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Cc: Krishan <kris8ul(a)yahoo.com>, linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Making the baby HP Deskjets: 3320, 3325 or 3420 work with Linux? > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Experienced friends told us that Red Hat 7.3 and Red Hat 8.0 weren't > stable enough, so best avoided. We're currently committed to RedHat 7.2. Redhat 7.3 and 8.0 are not unstable in any way. In the bioinformatics division at TCS we are using all three versions and a significant speed-up has been reported for version 8.0 in CPU-intensive and memory-intensive applications that process huge amounts of protein and gene data. I know that there have been many negative reports of Redhat 8.0 but we use it day in and day out and not a single complaint. Try it yourself and don't let others prevent you from benefitting from the significant upgrades present in the new versions. After all, Redhat 7.2 is now roughly a year old. And do remember that the latest drivers come bundled with the latest releases. Parul

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Making the baby HP Deskjets: 3320, 3325 or 3420 work with Linux?
by Baji J. Ram Rao 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

Our Linux-based hospital software needs to support some budget HP deskjet printers. Experienced friends told us that Red Hat 7.3 and Red Hat 8.0 weren't stable enough, so best avoided. We're currently committed to RedHat 7.2. We had successfully used the HP Deskjet 880C and Deskjet 845C color inkjet printers, but today there are lower-priced printers. Right now,� we're trying to work with the latest budget entry-level printer, the HP Deskjet 3325 which sells for Rs. 3,899/- in Mumbai. It handles 1200x600 dpi color and prints a page in approx. 12 sec. The trouble is that while older deskjets could handle PCL, the new Deskjet 3325 can only handle LIDIL (Lightweight Imaging Device Interface Language). What about Linux drivers? Linux support comes in the form of the "hpijs" driver starting version 1.3. The driver supports resolutions only up to 600 dpi. The bigger deskjets: 3820, 5550, 6122, 995C and big daddy 1220C all support HP PCL 3 and thrive on the drivers that come with the RH7.2 distro. Anyone have experience in making the baby Deskjets: 3320, 3325 or 3420 work with Linux? Ram Rao <ramrao(a)bajirao.com> Bajirao Technologies Pvt. Ltd., Chembur, Mumbai 400071

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squid proxy server problem
by tejinder saroha 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

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basic help
by rajeev rajpopat 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

Hi I have set up PCQuest Linux on my machine. The installation was smooth except for a hitch in seting up the modem. After some efforts I managed to get the modem to work. I am now looking for a book for the beginers - preferably in e form. Can someone suggest a site from where I can download the same. Thanks in advance Rajeev

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Motorola SM56 modem not detected and depmod error
by sameer shinde 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #750 - 14 msgs
by Rajiv S Banerji 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

........snip............. From: Jayesh Samant <samantjayesh(a)softhome.net> I am stuck with an Motorola SM56 internal modem, which works as a charm in windows. However my Redhat 8.0 system does not seem to detect it. Any clues... -- snip Will only work with RH 7.1 [kernel 2.4.2-2] . Discontinued from then onwards. Install 7.1 or Mandrake. Brgds Rajiv

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Linux India Initiative
by Nagarjuna G. 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Ministry of Information Technology organized a meeting, called `Linux India Initiative' where more than 40 people from various depts of govt IITs, NCST, BARC, CDAC, NIC, main companies like IBM, redhat, netcore, exocore etc., and also from the state govts (secreatary level representatives.) It was rather surprising that there is so much of awareness in the Govt circles. This meeting tookplace in Delhi in the Electronics Niketan close to the Nehru Stadium on Lodhi Road. Mr. S. Ramakrishnan (popularly known as Ramki) made the only presentation in the meeting. His presentation displayed that he did his home work very well, and the presentation was comprehensive. He listed various advantages of using OSS. He made it clear in the beginning itself that Linux actually stands for GNU/Linux, and so it should be understood as inclusive of GNU and not exclusive. Later Mr. Shaw (secretary MIT) chaired the meeting that went on from 3pm to 6.15pm. He took notes of almost all the speakers points and appeared serious. Prof. Sivakumar from IIT Mumbai, Barua of IIT Gauhati, were the prominent members from the Academia. Issues such as support, GUI, security, localization, took the attention of most speakers. Also since the Chairman explicilty asked every one to respond to GUI and security concerns. Keyur Shroff from NCST made a brief presentation on localization work being done at NCST, and Atul Chitnis of Exocore also made very good points. Two volumes containing several documents downloaded from the internet are circulated to the participatns. This also included some pages from our own website. I represented the users community and FSF India. The points mentioned by me were as follows: General Comments: Why cost should not be the sole reason for promoting the use of Free (Swatantra) Software? Most people argue in favor of Free Software because of the cost factor. This should not be the sole reason for promoting free software. Achieving self-reliance is often very pain-staking and difficult path. India's success stories in Space and Atomic energy are good illustrations in this regard. We don't and we should not do `cost of ownership' analysis on our path towards self-reliance. We should run for the values enshrined in our constitution, such as `self-reliance', even if they are expensive. Incidentally, though, free software is several times economical than Proprietary software. Why the expression `Linux India Initiative' is not appropriate? The term `Linux' refers to only one of the free kernels available, though the most popular. `BSD' does not use the Linux kernel, but is also a free OS. Another free kernel called HURD is also being developed by the GNU community. Since most applications that run on GNU/Linux also run on several OSs, including MS Windows, it is not appropriate to use only `Linux.' We should promote the use of free software even on propreitary OS. Most users who are already using MS windows can also use most of free software, though it is desirable to use a free OS in the long run. My suggestion is to use `Swatantra Software Initiative'. One of the main reasons why we should go for using Free Software is not merely because of the economic implications, but its use gives the users freedom, and self-reliance. The English expression ``Free Software Initiative'' also is not appropriate because, the term `free' is ambiguous, for in most widely used contexts it refers to `free of cost/charge'. Since India is committed to self-reliance it will be appropriate to use `Swatantra'. There are a few blocks in the road of taking Swatantra software to various corners of ICT use, such as the following: Using documents encoded in proprietary format, preventing free usage of data across different OS. This also encourages monopoly and facilitates lock-in. Most IT training institutions provide training mostly emphasizing or exclusively on proprietary applications. The syllabus in several colleges and Universities knowingly or unknowingly mentions not the neutral descriptions of what the student is supposed to learn, but names of proprietary applications. E.g., Excell in place of spreadsheets, or Ms-Word in place of word processor, Oracle in place of SQL, etc. At least in all Govt controlled institutions a policy should be made against this practice. A policy decision/discussion should happen regarding the software that is being developed within the Govt organizations, and its possible release under GPL or similar protected forms of free software license. The Annexure-I already contains several broad issues for discussion. Having supported the spread of Free software in the country for several years, and keeping in mind my expertise and the mandate of the institution (Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai) where I am working, I wish to contribute in whatever form on the following: Setting up of Resource Centres SIG in Education sector (including schools) Introduction in curricula of engineering colleges, universities and colleges. I do hope that some thing meaningful will come out of this Initiative. Mr. Ramki also mentioned in the notes that are curculated that setting up of foundations like FSF India. Nagarjuna

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Qmail relaying
by Amish Munshi 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hi all, I want to check if my qmail installation is relaying mails for other hosts. I do a simple check like telnet localhost 25 MAIL FROM:someone@nonlocal.com RCPT TO:someother@nonlocal.com {output is relaying allowed this is ok since it is a local telnet and I have 127.0.0.1:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" in /etc/tcp.smtp} Next I do a telnet 10.10.12.21 25 (my private IP) MAIL FROM:someone@nonlocal.com RCPT TO:someother@nonlocal.com {output is 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)} So can I conclude that the external mails are not being relayed? But now the problem starts. qmailctl stat gives : /service/qmail-pop3d: up (pid 22067) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-pop3d/log: up (pid 22066) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-send: up (pid 22062) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-send/log: up (pid 22063) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-smtpd: up (pid 22064) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-smtpd/log: up (pid 22065) 9174 seconds messages in queue: 32 messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 0 And the messages are for external hosts, 20 Dec 2002 03:09:33 GMT #58808 4955 <> remote bounce.1194.39868523(a)bounce.bnb4.com 19 Dec 2002 17:21:14 GMT #58786 3714 <> remote adp501(a)friendly984send.com 20 Dec 2002 03:13:21 GMT #58809 5443 <> remote pro(a)speedsoffrslistings873009118273.com 19 Dec 2002 11:04:45 GMT #58787 23375 <> remote gbw135(a)isp3845mailer45.com 20 Dec 2002 04:11:52 GMT #58810 3563 <> remote adp124(a)friend284mail.com So my server is probably relaying mails, most seem to be bouncing mails. My /var/log/qmail/current is having entries like @400000003e02aa63234a85e4 delivery 98: deferral: Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/ @400000003e02aa63234aa13c status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Thanks in advance. Bye.

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[COMMERCIAL] Require PHP / Perl Developers
by Unitek Careers 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

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A C factorial Problem
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

HI friends I was experimenting with a common c factorial problem when I got a totally unexpected result. here is the program # include <stdio.h> main(){ int fact; int x; fact=factorial(6); printf ("%i\n",fff()); } int factorial(int x){ if(x>1) return(x*factorial(x-1)); } int fff () { ; } Naturally I was expecting 1 as the answer. But I am getting the answer 720 which is 6!. If I comment the 5th line fact=factorial(6); I am getting the expected result "1". The normal explanation for this is memory leak. Can anyone please tell me what is happening and are you too getting the same result. I am using redhat linux 7.3 with gcc 2.96 regards Abhijeet D Mhatre

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RMS in Mumbai 12-15th
by Nagarjuna G. 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

RMS (Richard Stallman) could visit Mumbai between 12-15th if all of us are interested in taking care of a good program. We can take this opportunity to shapeup our PRC attempts and revitalize the group, and have a public lecture as well as special meetings with developers. He will be going to Puna on 16th for the gnunify. Let me know this quickly so that I will tell him that we are ready. Nagarjuna

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Internal Modem
by Jayesh Samant 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hello GNU/Linux lovers, I am stuck with an Motorola SM56 internal modem, which works as a charm in windows. However my Redhat 8.0 system does not seem to detect it. Any clues... -- Best regards, Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net

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files ending with ~
by Amish Munshi 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hello, For some strange reason only files with ~work well. For example I edit modify.php as "vi modify.php" then save and exit (:wq), then there will be a file modify.php and modify.php~, modify.php is updated file, but when I visit using apache (on a local machine) then it used the other file modify.php~ and not modify.php. I thought this was some temporary problem so I rebooted, but that did not help. Any guesses why this is happening? "cat modify.php" and "cat modify.php~" display proper results. A filename~ file is always created whenever I change any file. Bye.

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Apache
by Amish Munshi 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hi, Is it possible to log to more than one files. I have many virtual hosts and I would like to log their activity in seperate files. I have already done this and it is working fine. Now I also want the logs to go in a single file along with the individual logs for each host. For example I log activity of virtualhost1.com in /home/virtualhost1.com/logs virtualhost2.com in /home/virtualhost2.com/logs. Now I want the same logs to go to var/log/httpd/virtuallogs as well. So, I can monitor the activity of the server. How can I do this. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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squirrelmail
by slash_axl_rose_upen 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

hi all trying to setup here squirrelmail on RH linux 7.1 can any buddy please elaborate me the detailed steps i have to take in confguring that right from version i have to use please mail on personal id bye thnx in advance and merry xmas __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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(no subject)
by satyajit balkrishna saste 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Wanted some help on Dhcpd.conf configuration.I am setting up a cluster of 3 nodes.However when slave node has to boot from the masters CDROM an error message is given saying 'Unable to mount.Some portmapper error' Echo soon -Satyajit saste

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merry christmas!
by Pradnyesh Sawant 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hello, a very merry christmas 2 all luggers! is there any way 2 disable the "single" argument that can be passed 2 the kernel at boot time? -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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Great Opportunity : Linux Initiative by Government
by jitendra 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Dear Luggers and ASHAites, Academia and policymakers Three cheers to Nagarjuna for his intervention in Linux Initiative. (see his note below) A few thoughts on the occasion. That the Govt is thinking about gnu/linux is a great sign. It was always the case that many bureacrats , particularly from the era of 'self-reliance' know well that the world wide success of IT developers of India is rooted in the spirit and commitment of self-reliance nurtured in the early deacdes after independence. I am sorry to say that such a spirit is now seen only occasinally. Perhaps the self-reliance may have got entwined with narrow chauvinism rather than the grand democratic principle that (m. k.) gandhi demonstrtated and articulated. In a globalising world chauvinism may be an anachronism. I am afraid baby was thrown along with bathwater. The most important responsibilty on those of us who want to see the survival and growth of freedom is thus to set practical examples of such commitment to the universal principles . The government patronage to self reliance may ebb and flow . What will survive is the power distributed to many. In our context that power is freedom of knowledge and more particularly quality education, access to information and ability to communicate and ability to associate. Several developments in the IT make all this easier. Efforts are needed to make this ACTUAL. Let us create really good alternatives that can reach the masses. e-governance and education touch the masses immediately. I for one would appeal to all the techys to look into the field of education which is rapidly deteriorating and where the computers are being massively disused but it is an area where (public and private) financial resources are not in short supply.Language technologies will play a major role in the spread here. I identify the following steps in this direction. 1. Create the awareness of potential of computers to radically enhance the learning ability of children .(advocay with sound undersatnding of learning process in the age of computer) 2. Make teachers capable of allowing children to learn their subjects (not a new subject called computer) even without they being themselves experts in computers.(teacher training) 3. Localise and translate the software that is already available in english(collaboratively) (refer www.ofset.org, LetUS program of NorthWestern Univ, LOGO etc.) 4. Encourage/support the creation of local software.(overcome current hiccups of writing systems for indian scripts on computers on linux and then make computation in indian languages) It is not possible to convince myself that such an initiative can be effective with any thing other than free software foundation. This can be done only by those who can bring educationists/techys/bureaucrats on a common platform.. Can some of us meet sometime to work out some plans on these lines. jitendra Nagarjuna wrote on 25 Dec: Ministry of Information Technology organized a meeting, called `Linux India Initiative' where more than 40 people from various depts of govt IITs, NCST, BARC, CDAC, NIC, main companies like IBM, redhat, netcore, exocore etc., and also from the state govts (secreatary level representatives.) It was rather surprising that there is so much of awareness in the Govt circles. This meeting tookplace in Delhi in the Electronics Niketan close to the Nehru Stadium on Lodhi Road. Mr. S. Ramakrishnan (popularly known as Ramki) made the only presentation in the meeting. His presentation displayed that he did his home work very well, and the presentation was comprehensive. He listed various advantages of using OSS. He made it clear in the beginning itself that Linux actually stands for GNU/Linux, and so it should be understood as inclusive of GNU and not exclusive. Later Mr. Shaw (secretary MIT) chaired the meeting that went on from 3pm to 6.15pm. He took notes of almost all the speakers points and appeared serious. Prof. Sivakumar from IIT Mumbai, Barua of IIT Gauhati, were the prominent members from the Academia. Issues such as support, GUI, security, localization, took the attention of most speakers. Also since the Chairman explicilty asked every one to respond to GUI and security concerns. Keyur Shroff from NCST made a brief presentation on localization work being done at NCST, and Atul Chitnis of Exocore also made very good points. Two volumes containing several documents downloaded from the internet are circulated to the participatns. This also included some pages from our own website. I represented the users community and FSF India. The points mentioned by me were as follows: General Comments: Why cost should not be the sole reason for promoting the use of Free (Swatantra) Software? Most people argue in favor of Free Software because of the cost factor. This should not be the sole reason for promoting free software. Achieving self-reliance is often very pain-staking and difficult path. India's success stories in Space and Atomic energy are good illustrations in this regard. We don't and we should not do `cost of ownership' analysis on our path towards self-reliance. We should run for the values enshrined in our constitution, such as `self-reliance', even if they are expensive. Incidentally, though, free software is several times economical than Proprietary software. Why the expression `Linux India Initiative' is not appropriate? The term `Linux' refers to only one of the free kernels available, though the most popular. `BSD' does not use the Linux kernel, but is also a free OS. Another free kernel called HURD is also being developed by the GNU community. Since most applications that run on GNU/Linux also run on several OSs, including MS Windows, it is not appropriate to use only `Linux.' We should promote the use of free software even on propreitary OS. Most users who are already using MS windows can also use most of free software, though it is desirable to use a free OS in the long run. My suggestion is to use `Swatantra Software Initiative'. One of the main reasons why we should go for using Free Software is not merely because of the economic implications, but its use gives the users freedom, and self-reliance. The English expression ``Free Software Initiative'' also is not appropriate because, the term `free' is ambiguous, for in most widely used contexts it refers to `free of cost/charge'. Since India is committed to self-reliance it will be appropriate to use `Swatantra'. There are a few blocks in the road of taking Swatantra software to various corners of ICT use, such as the following: Using documents encoded in proprietary format, preventing free usage of data across different OS. This also encourages monopoly and facilitates lock-in. Most IT training institutions provide training mostly emphasizing or exclusively on proprietary applications. The syllabus in several colleges and Universities knowingly or unknowingly mentions not the neutral descriptions of what the student is supposed to learn, but names of proprietary applications. E.g., Excell in place of spreadsheets, or Ms-Word in place of word processor, Oracle in place of SQL, etc. At least in all Govt controlled institutions a policy should be made against this practice. A policy decision/discussion should happen regarding the software that is being developed within the Govt organizations, and its possible release under GPL or similar protected forms of free software license. The Annexure-I already contains several broad issues for discussion. Having supported the spread of Free software in the country for several years, and keeping in mind my expertise and the mandate of the institution (Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai) where I am working, I wish to contribute in whatever form on the following: Setting up of Resource Centres SIG in Education sector (including schools) Introduction in curricula of engineering colleges, universities and colleges.

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GUIs v/s CLI
by Satya 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

I hear a lot of discussion about how the Linux GUI should be more user-friendly, and how all programs should have a good GUI, etc. I have one need in a GUI: consistency! But here's my main point: I see too many programs now that require X to be installed, when the program doesn't need X. Why? Why? Don't do that. This has been a rant. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> Press any key to continue or any other key to quit

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RMS in Mumbai 12-15th of FEB
by Nagarjuna G. 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the dates are 12-15th Feb 2003. Nagarjuna

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai 12-15th
by chetan v ingle 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

This is reply to Nagarjuna sir, I am chetan lug user , Well I am interested in having program with Stallman.My request is to keep program on sunday. let us know the schedule. Thanx for this info. chetan Ingle >Message: 14 >Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:52:39 +0530 > From: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in> >To: ILUG Bombay MList <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai 12-15th >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > >RMS (Richard Stallman) could visit Mumbai between 12-15th if all >of us >are interested in taking care of a good program. We can take >this >opportunity to shapeup our PRC attempts and revitalize the group, >and >have a public lecture as well as special meetings with >developers. He >will be going to Puna on 16th for the gnunify. > >Let me know this quickly so that I will tell him that we are >ready. > >Nagarjuna >

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what is .sft file extention
by romi jk 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

hi can anybody tell me what is .sft file extention and what application is it used and how do i open it (i have a cd of some small linux distribution and it contains a file called elite.sft but cant open it) thnkx in advance Rohit ------------------------------------------------- Sify Mail - now with Anti-virus protection powered by Trend Micro, USA. Know more at http://mail.sify.com Sunny`s column,World Cup Schedule, Scorecards, The cricket Store and much much more!! http://www.khel.com/worldcup/

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