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[OT?] Net Radio Website
by Rony 12 Jan '09

12 Jan '09

Hello, Here is a nice radio station that plays songs 24/7, listed year wise. It runs in Linux without any problems. www.tropicalglen.com -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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ceasefire on the mumbai list
by Suhit Kelkar 12 Jan '09

12 Jan '09

One constructive step in these flamewars would be for the involved parties to take a respite. Declare a ceasefire, even if unilateral. Then there will be no retaliation to spark in turn your counter-retaliation. There is no need to take names. If there are universally respected persons on this list, please, step in as mediators.

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Changes in list moderation policy and appointment of new moderator(s)
by Dinesh Shah (દિન ેશ શાહ/द िनेश शाह) 11 Jan '09

11 Jan '09

List, After due diligence, List Administrators and Moderators have decided the following changes in List Moderation policy. All existing and new members will be removed from default moderation and only offending members will be put under moderation after a member violates any list guidelines. The moderator(s) will warn the offenders twice privately followed by a public warning before putting the offending member on moderation. The above policy change is to improve the participation from all members and remove the delays caused due to default moderation policy. All members, existing and new, are requested to go through the list guidelines once more and comply with the guidelines while posting to the list. We are also pleased to announce Mehul Ved as our newest moderator for the list. We also welcome Nicholas Alphonso as our new Wiki Admin. He is a regular contributer to Wikipedia as well. Looking forward to more action on the list! With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Blog-1: http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ Blog-2: http://dineshah.blogspot.com/ Douglas William Jerrold - "The only athletic sport I ever mastered was backgammon."

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Newbie here
by Rock Buddy 11 Jan '09

11 Jan '09

Hi all, I am a newbie here. I wonder if this is the right place to raise this query. I wish to know how does RHCE certification really helps. I am RHCE myself. The classes don't really help much beyond the scope of the exam and the hands on experience one can get is when some employer is willing to accept a fresher. In recent times, I noticed the trend asking for minimum 6months of Linux experience. I remember the time when RHCE certified professionals were in short supply but with the word spreading fast there is a glut and that, coupled with recession has taken a toll on how much an RHCE certified guy earns. There are some who earn as Rs 7000 to 8000 PM. Are the times indeed so bad or the companies are just exploiting? Regards

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New groups - Was--> Re: Changes in list moderation policy and appointment of new moderator(s)
by Ravindra Jaju 10 Jan '09

10 Jan '09

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ravindra Jaju wrote: > > > Instead of dividing or partitioning the group, form your own group as > per the requirement. Why break someone else's creation. > I'd like to point out some examples which support my point. A school has many grades, and multiple divisions per grade. As an analogy - not all students use the same classroom. You might suggest that each thread is a 'virtual classroom' of its own - but that's not true IMHO. Since it's all mixed, the extra effort it takes to filter out the interesting from the not-so-interesting (all this is very subjective - we are not saying these are good and bad respectively) - makes people really interested in specific causes lose interest. Moreover, the list is fairly open - not moderated by draconian power-clingers. Many new people keep joining, and not all are well-versed with list etiquettes and/or the levels are wildly varying. IMHO, again, I believe a community can thrive when there are clear paths for people to *grow* systematically along some well-defined paths (rather than people left fending for themselves) - this is suggestive, and of course people are always allowed in an open community to set their own standards and paths, and ask for/earn support. High noise-to-signal ratios can reduce efficiencies and over a period of time make people disinterested. I can certainly vouch for the fact that about 8 years ago, the level on this list was much better than what it has been in the small duration now that I've been a part again. My 2 paise. Thanks, jaju

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linuxers Digest, Vol 69, Issue 7
by Dinesh OBareja 09 Jan '09

09 Jan '09

Who says that non-Indians can spell good ! While bad spelling is bad how can you pass judgment on a whole nation ? So typical of the majority of my dear educated friends who castigate the country and our habits at the drop of the hat. My apologies to the list for sounding so harsh but how does it matter if I make my own acronym .... if it did not make sense you can just ask what it means (be sure it will not hurt your ego to show that you did not know what it meant !) HAND Dinesh PS: HAND = Have A Nice Day ! --- linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: On Wednesday 07 Jan 2009 5:56:53 pm Harsh Busa wrote: > > After due diligence, List Administrators and Moderators have decided the > > following changes in List Moderation policy. > > can u pls review and discuss if the list policy / guidelines need to be > revisited ? s/u/you/ s/pls/please/ when will us Indians learn to spell? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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Promoting a FOSS license --- to propose to major software vendors -- to promote understanding (not war between FOSS and corporate)
by Erach 07 Jan '09

07 Jan '09

Hi, There are five ages of man. Infanthood, childhood, teenager, householder, oldman. Now, when does wisdom come --- when you wish you had been better and renounced everything and regret everything bad you did. But as an infant, child, teenager, householder, and even as an old man ------ you do need to ACQUIRE things to live and die. So why are you renouncing acquisition ---- it is only greed you renounce. So why not come up with the INDIAN SOFTWARE NO GREED LICENSE for both corporates and the indian FOSS movement. For instance : 1. for copyrights: To be freely used, at HOW MUCH PAYMENT (free or nominal or one day's wages or one minute's wages of a person), for any purpose whatsoever ------ provided the purpose is good and ethical and moral. NOT MERELY To be freely used, at no cost, for any purpose whatsoever --------------------------------------- SO FOR SOFTWARE ---- stripping off the legalese --- what points do you want to embed in your FOSS license ------- and why is FOSS seeking war with the commercial movement by seeking to destroy the commercial movement. 1. The software should be open-source. 2. Perhaps x% of the code can be hidden for commercial or security reasons. 3. The entire software should be open. 4. You can use the software for any purpose whatsoever or only those that are ethical, legal, and promote understanding. 5. WAR is not renounced because one day you may need the weapons of war to defend the human race against extra-terrestrials in faster than light travel -------------- or perhaps war is renounced by the users of the software ------ or perhaps the companies that make weapons cannot use this software ------------------------- this is a highly contentious statement ---------------------------- tread with care --------- what about war against computers, war against living beings, war against dogs, war against bacteria. 6. The software should be backwards compatible for 3 months. I mean ---------- the LINUX users mailing list in Mumbai has over 1000 members ------------ and you cannot write your own license. Erach

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looking for Red Hat trainer ..
by Dinesh OBareja 07 Jan '09

07 Jan '09

Hi Are you into Linux training ? I am seeking to connect with someone who can undertake RH training for a small internal group. Thanks Dinesh

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A brief and precise copyright for software and books is needed
by Erach 07 Jan '09

07 Jan '09

Hi, Since the FOSS movement in India is gathering strength WE NEED TO PROPOSE OUR COPYRIGHT / LICENSE to the companies so we can understand them without any lawyer required. How is this copyright ? (C) Erach A. Irani, 2008. Can be freely used in part or in whole for any purpose whatsoever. Or (C) Erach A. Irani, 2008 Can be freely used, with or without payment of any kind, in part or in whole, for any purpose whatsoever. Erach

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Looking for internship opportunity on open source technologies in Mumbai
by Jai Vora 02 Jan '09

02 Jan '09

Hello, Im a final year student , looking for internship on open source technologies in Mumbai . I have skills in C,C++,Java, PHP, MySQL, Ruby ,JavaScript , Ajax etc.. . If there is someone who has internship opportunity at their company then please let me know . I can then mail you my resume or get in touch with u . Thank You.

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Interview with Gimp developer Martin Nordholts
by Praveen A 02 Jan '09

02 Jan '09

Many long requested features coming up. Now catching up fast with photoshop features. Read on for what is in store for upcoming gimp versions. http://jcornuz.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/an-exclusive-interview-with-martin-… -- പ്രവീണ്‍ അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില്‍ <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call! <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign

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Linux addiction !!!
by Neelesh Gurjar 01 Jan '09

01 Jan '09

Linux Addiction !!! I work in NGO @ Panvel. Here I switched one department (20-25 Users) 0n Linux 3 years back. They use OpenOffice 2.2, Tally 7.2 (Linux Ver), Kmail, Firefox and Write & Font software with using Wine. Today When I ask in one department in organization that "Can we switch over to Windows? As some body is donating Licensing cost for those PCs" All users said "No, We can't work on Windows now. We need only Linux"... I got pleasant surprised by their reply. I thought that they will switch to Windows. Three years back when I was pushing these users to work on Linux. I had to explain them advantages of Linux. They faced lots of issues in their daily work. Some of them I could resolved easily, some of them took a long time, In some cases they had to change their working style. But now when they are using it for last 2.5 years without any issue, they dont want to go back to Windows. They said that they forgot how to work on Windows. .... They got addicted to Linux now..... :) People say that Linux is not user friendly and cannot be used for Desktops for general users. Now I can surely say, if management plans to use Linux in offices, users & admins work hard on it without having windows in mind then they can switch to Linux. Offcourse proffessional companies like Adobe, Corel, Font making companies should make applications for Linux. -- Regards NeeleshG LINUX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity

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Sync Nokia E50 with Acer Aspire One (Kubuntu 8.10) with USB cable and what this has to do with GPL
by Sanjay Singhvi 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

Comrades, I had asked for help on the above topic about 8 issues ago (Vol. 68, issue 47). I seem to have been drowned out in a semi-legal debate on GPL licensing. My own view is that all knowledge, and therefore all source-code (like all land and all means of production) is, in fact free. It is only the capitalist-imperialist system that makes us pay for what has been acquired by loot at some stage. Hence the only reasonable (and, therefore, ethical) response, is to take all this back by force (or guile) to the extent that one requires it to survive and to the extent that this is possible while, at the same time, fighting to change the system altogether. Hence I blatantly copied pirated copies of M$ for as long as I could. I had thought that M$ turns such a blind eye to pirating only because they don't really care about the "small" pirate. However, now I feel that it is a part of M$ strategy to kill other platforms like Linux! As long as M$ is available free of cost from pirated copies, people will not seriously turn to Linux and other platforms. M$ is backed by millions in advertising. Now with little pushes like the "Genuineadvantage" update which was automatically sent to all XP systems since the past two years or so, M$ has started gently edging the users, especially the large ones, towards paying up! I think that Linuxers must look upon this as an opportunity. We cannot, for obvious reasons, advertise like M$. We must push the new distros, with all their genuine advantages, to the people (read computer users) at large. Our methods of propaganda will, perforce have to be popular. We cannot advertise in the electronic and print media. We can, however, have free demos in schools, colleges and other places. Lists like this can be more active in providing help and alternative solutions. We can start publicising as to which corporations support Linux, like Skype and which do not, like Nokia. Which brings me to my original question. Can anyone help me to sync my Nokia E50 with my laptop (Acer Aspire One - Kubuntu 8.10) through USB? The details of my query can be found at Vol. 68, issue 47. I presume that my query was merely drowned out in the more pressing debate on intellectual property rights. I make this plea merely to remind fellow-listers that I still await a response - anxiously and eagerly. Thanks again in advance.

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OSM edits for 2008
by Kenneth Gonsalves 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

check it out: http://itoworld.blogspot.com/2008/12/openstreetmap-animation-for-2008.html -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] QT Licensing - Was--> Re: The virtualbox license --- clarification from the FAQ --
by Prashant Verma 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

At 07:40 PM 12/31/2008, Ravindra Jaju wrote: >On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> wrote: > > > > Perhaps we can stop discussing that particular issue (what is the Qt > > licence) now? > > > >The reason behind this thread was incorrect interpretation vis-a-vis >multiple-licensing policies. >Why should the length of the thread be a criterion for stopping a >discussion? Maybe I missed it, but did Raju claim anywhere that this thread is too long? (No sir, this is a teensy-weensy thread, so please keep adding emails to it :P ) >You have the privilege to ignore, delete or mark these mails as spam! :) When a thread annoys me, I put in a filter to mark all emails in the thread as "Read", and thus they don't stick out in my mailbox. Just thought I would share. Happy New Year. If you can, please forget about licenses for a few hours and focus on ushering in the New Year :D

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QT Licensing - Was--> Re: The virtualbox license --- clarification from the FAQ --
by Ravindra Jaju 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Faraz Shahbazker < faraz.shahbazker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > And more .. clearly contradicting: > > > http://trolltech.com/developer/faqs/192?hotspoturl=http%3A//trolltech.com/d… > > http://trolltech.com/developer/faqs/191?hotspoturl=http%3A//trolltech.com/d… > > Hi. I don't (yet) see a contradiction. Opera bought licenses from QT, hence they can produce closed-source software. The reason Opera bought license(s) was to keep their own stuff (ie - the browser) built on top of QT and other things closely guarded. The important entity to consider in this entire picture is Trolltech - they own all copyrights to the code. So, they have a model wherein they take money from someone (Opera) and give them the permission to not release the browser's code. Trolltech - the copyright owner - has _also_ given the general public which wishes to use QT under open licenses the right to do anything with QT as long as they comply with those terms. GPL v2 and v3 happen to be two such licenses Trolltech is happy to license under, to such users. Trolltech - the _owner_ - has the right to choose any license for distributing their code. _Once_ the code 'leaves their premises' under a certain license (say, GPL) - all further derivations will need to conform to that (and compatible) licenses. So, there's a 'restrictive tree' as you move down - with Trolltech at the root - as a way of 'visualizing' this. My take on the entire issue - 2 paise! Best wishes, jaju

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QT license - Was --> Re: The virtualbox license --- clarification from the FAQ --
by Ravindra Jaju 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 5:02 PM, jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> wrote: > While your contention is correct (ref your second para), that is not > what i am getting at. What i am saying is that troltech's contention > that i cannot commercially distribute gpl software is rubbish. > Trolltech is implying that i cannot sell gpl software because their > licence is gpl + restrictions. I'd really like to see where Trolltech is making such a claim. And, let me quote from their file, found in their codebase (OPENSOURCE-NOTICE.TXT) <begin> If you, your company or your organization derive commercial benefit from Trolltech's products and do not wish to release your complete source code, you are required to purchase the appropriate number of commercial licenses. <end> Nothing here which says you can NOT commercially exploit the GPL version of QT. Only if you wish to hold back the source, you need to purchase appropriate commercial licenses from QT. What's missing? Best wishes, jaju

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Can somebody tell me how to get 3 years compatibility on ALL packages of LINUX and Windows on ONE machine
by Erach 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

Hi, What do I do ? I have a machine with 786 MB of RAM. If it was Windows, I could use ALL my purchased packages on it for 3 years --- till the Windows was replaced ------------- I assume. Now, LINUX supporters say, over 3000 packages free. So, Kubuntu LINUX 8.0.4 is installed on my machine in MAY. Do I download (I did not) 3 DVDS of entire possible packages with that release. CANONICAL guarantees SECURITY updates for 3 years. I tried installing UBUNTU 8.10 on my system. IT did not install. Then I thought ---- let me use VIRTUALBOX. The FAQ on virtualbox license says I can manually install it on as many machines as I want. (On SUN's commercial release too), or I can let each user manually install virtualbox themselves. So what am I suppossed to do: 1. Install Virtualbox on my LINUX machine (or sorry, is it Windows machine for Windows packages). 2. Install more memory for each version of LINUX and sub-version I wish to run. 3. Tell my developers to forever keep upgrading the software to the latest version (of what may I ask). Erach

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction !!!
by debarshi.ray＠gmail.com 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

> Innovative and integrated User experience. As a developer, I still have not > come across development environment + documentation comparable to MSDN + > Visual Studio. Personally I find GNU Emacs to be a very good IDE. Otherwise did you have a look at Anjuta or KDevelop? What other development things did you look at? > I work on a C++ product that works on few platforms (Solaris, Win32/64, > Linux). Is this a GUI product. In that case Anjuta (for Gtk+) and KDevelop (for Qt) are good. For all other purposes Emacs is a good IDE, although I see hundreds of people achieve amazing results using a Vim/Shell/GDB/Valgrind/... combination, which can not really be called an IDE. :-) > Few things that Linux has innovated : > > 1. IPTABLES > 2. RaiserFS > 3. Live CD When I updated my AMD Athlon64 3200+ and VIA chipset based desktop to Fedora 10 x86_64, the kernel would crash 9 out of 10 times when I would try to boot it with a traceback indicating some problem with the driver for my Firewire PCI card. You know what, even then the boot process would recover, X would start, GDM would recover, and once I log into GNOME a nice little pop-up would come asking me that the kernel had encountered some problems and whether I would like to report this to kerneloops.org or not. Something called kexec and kdump at work behind the scenes. :-) Don't know whether other OSes have this or not, but then who cares? Cheers, Debarshi

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An appeal from Wikipedia founder, Jimmy Wales
by Pradeepto Bhattacharya 28 Dec '08

28 Dec '08

Hi, A very good friend and old timer of this lug - Vihan Pandey sent this to me and some others, and he rightly thinks this should be sent to the lug-list. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Letter/en?utm_source=2008_jimmy_… == Dear Reader, Today I am going to ask you to support Wikipedia with a donation. This might sound unusual: Why does one of the world's five most popular web properties ask for financial support from its users? Wikipedia is built differently from almost every other top 50 website. We have a small number of paid staff, just twenty-three. Wikipedia content is free to use by anyone for any purpose. Our annual expenses are less than six million dollars. Wikipedia is run by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, which I founded in 2003. At its core, Wikipedia is driven by a global community of more than 150,000 volunteers - all dedicated to sharing knowledge freely. Over almost eight years, these volunteers have contributed more than 11 million articles in 265 languages. More than 275 million people come to our website every month to access information, free of charge and free of advertising. But Wikipedia is more than a website. We share a common cause: Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment. Your donation helps us in several ways. Most importantly, you will help us cover the increasing cost of managing global traffic to one of the most popular websites on the Internet. Funds also help us improve the software that runs Wikipedia -- making it easier to search, easier to read, and easier to write for. We are committed to growing the free knowledge movement world-wide, by recruiting new volunteers, and building strategic partnerships with institutions of culture and learning. Wikipedia is different. It's the largest encyclopedia in history, written by volunteers. Like a national park or a school, we don't believe advertising should have a place in Wikipedia. We want to keep it free and strong, but we need the support of thousands of people like you. I invite you to join us: Your donation will help keep Wikipedia free for the whole world. Thank you, Jimmy Wales == Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india

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Slashdot: Indian GPS Cartographers Charged As Terrorists
by Praveen A 28 Dec '08

28 Dec '08

We have raised our doubts about this earlier here. But it is real now. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/18/2047203 Praveen -- പ്രവീണ്‍ അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില്‍ <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call! <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign

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on politeness
by Suhit Kelkar 28 Dec '08

28 Dec '08

Dear fellow gnu/linners I'm a faithful reader of this list, and an avid user of gnu/linux. In the past this forum has helped me solve my doubts, given me the feeling of community, and even landed me an assignment or two, as I am a freelance journalist. That is partly why I usually go over each and every post regardless of what it says. I say this as someone who cares. Do we want to be remembered for vituperation, inconsiderate ranting, at times even name-calling? An honourable forum member had mentioned, rightly, a while ago, that everything we write is archived away (doubtlessly cleared too, eventually). What example are we setting, then? Aren't we representatives of a misunderstood community with few active ambassadors? Should we be quarrelling among ourselves? Don't we (or, some of us) have a mission, defined adversaries, allies? Should there be quibbling between allies then? Aren't we evangelists? Doesn't that put the obligation of decent behaviour on us? What ambassador acts out of petulance? What sage calls his congregation dolts, or idiots? What example should we be setting? Should we call others stupid, lazy, unthinking, when we were such ourselves when we started out, and perhaps still are? A champion of free speech, Salman Rushdie, once wrote to the effect that what we despise in ourselves we hate in others. Should we funnel our fury into a name-calling binge directed at our fellow users? I hope you will appreciate this communication for what it is-- an appeal to the better sensibilities within all of us, to end the hateful heated repartee we've been seeing over the past few months. Thank you. Regards Suhit Kelkar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction!! | Office , Excise & CAD
by Sachin Gopalakrishnan 28 Dec '08

28 Dec '08

> There can never be a replacement for the crap that is M$office. Even a > brainless moron cant write such crap. > There are at least two SUPERIOR alternatives Openoffice and Koffice. I use ubuntu 8.04 as my desktop at home but i need excel at my workplace on my laptop. I have tried using OO (not tried K Office) but the spreadsheet tool just does not seem to work well enough especially after i have used excel, OO seems so dated and clunky in contrast. I must admit i have not tried the latest version though. There is no real Autocad replacement, even if there are like BRL-CAD, Varicad etc we do not get candidates for them. We tried Virtualbox. did not work very well, especially cumbersome when it came to sharing files on a network using Samba. I know there are other linux options for virtualization available like parallels and vmware but we are not in a position to experiment as of now especially after virtualbox. We use an MS Access based system (third party )for excise, i haven't come across any package in linux as a replacement though am sure one could be built. > For how many users? > about 5 in one unit .. SG

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Sync Nokia E50 with Korganizer and Kontact
by Sanjay Singhvi 28 Dec '08

28 Dec '08

Can anyone help me to sync a Nokia E50 phone with my laptop (Acer Aspire One - Kubuntu 8.10)? I need to do this by usb cable (since Aspire One does not have bluetooth inbuilt). Have checked out help on the net for bluetooth but there does not seem to be any for usb cable. When I tried to follow the tutorial on smoking linux for using pcsuite with Obextools, KMix crashed. (I have reported the bug to launchpad and it is now registered as 178063). Would appreciate any help. Thanking you in advance. Sanjay

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Kernel 2.6.27.8 = Goodbye IDE?
by Rony 26 Dec '08

26 Dec '08

Hello, I have twice compiled kernel 2.6.27.8 from source. During make it detects 5 problems but they don't look significant and 'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y' resolves this problem. However after booting from this kernel and its relative initrd.img, the process stops at devfs and kernel panic. The system is unable to read /lib/modules/[kernel]/modules.dep. IMHO this is basically an indicator of the ide drivers not working. During make menuconfig, I observed that the IDE modules can only be included as modules <M>, not 'in-built' in the kernel like <*>. In one section, the Help contents even mention that this option should not be used if your root system is on the IDE drive. This could mean that while the booting drive is not IDE ( means SATA ), the other drive detected after booting can be IDE. My system is an Intel 845 with IDE drives. Has anyone on this list successfully booted from 2.6.27.8 using an IDE HDD on an 845 chipset mobo? Do the new kernels mean goodbye to old hardware? Could this be one reason why K/Ubuntu 8.10 does not boot live into an old 845 chipset + IDE system? -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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