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Help to setup a small LINUX Server
by Richard Chang 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Hi All, First of all Disclaimer: The person writing this mail doesn't know how to write short mails. So, a request to please cooperate with him and forgive his ignorance. Then the problem: I am having a piece of hardware called the Wipro Ezynet Server. This is primarily a Linux based solution for cybercafes. It does not have port for connecting a VDU. I has two Ethernet interfaces, supposed to be remotely controlled using a web browser and does not have ports to connect the keyboard and mouse. The problem I am facing now is that the hard disk has crashed. I have misplaced the cd's and manual of the system. I have replaced the hard disks and now want to use it as an Internet gateway to connect our office LAN to the net. I don't know what to do and how to go about it. Once I tried loading RHL9 on to it. I took out the mbd and connected a pci vga card and succeeded in loading RHL. It has a small socket for connecting a kbd using a connector similar to the ones for mouse we used to have in P-I system. It has some kind of a card used to display the booting info on an LCD screen. The moment I reconnected the card, it just went bust. The card seems to know only the OS it came packaged with and seems to be the loader ( like lilo or grub) for the OS. Anyone have a better idea, how to get it up and running without connecting a VDU, KBD and MOUSE. Pls let me know. If required I will give the complete specs and picture of the system and what is inside. Without the LCD/card, we will not be able to know whether it has booted up or not and with it, it only looks for the OS it cam with. regards, rc

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Fwd: Dreamweaver
by Rishi 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Hello, Is there a free software alternative for dreamweaver? Regards Rishi ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Dreamweaver Date: Monday 30 May 2005 1:03 pm From: "Sangeeta Gokhale" To: "Rishi" Cc: "Bharti Flora" Hi Rishi, Can you help us out with finding a cheap way of buying Dreamweaver? If we manage to hire someone, we will use Gimp (instead of Photoshop) but Dreamweaver I think we will require. Thanks, Sangeeta

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FreeBSD Remote installation
by Rohit Baisakhiya 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

FYI visit http://www.daemonology.net/depenguinator/ cool tool for freebsd remote installation. -- Regards, Rohit Baisakhiya

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I Need SuSe latest
by onkar mahajan 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

I need urgently SuSe linux latest version. Plz help me. Onkar [##########]

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RIP doc format? well almost
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+adding+XML+files+to+Office+12/2100-7344_3-572… "Microsoft said Thursday that it will introduce new XML-based file formats for its Excel, PowerPoint and Word applications when the company launches its Office 12 software package next year. Company officials said the move to replace Microsoft's traditional binary file formats with XML-based versions as the default in Office 12 will let people more easily share information. Microsoft pledged that the shift to XML, or Extensible Markup Language, will decrease the size of many individual files and make documents created in its Office products more resistant to corruption. " How touching of them to discover their hereditary diseases and go public. Or is it that OASIS compatibility is already squeezing the family jewels. Wonder what new debilating side effects their medicine will produce. rgds jtd

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recover from kernel panic.....
by nitin bhosale 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

i have mandrake linux installed but all of a sudden it is giving me a kernel panic msg as below ------------------------------------------------- during normal booting mode : Kernel panic:no init found. try passing init=option to kernel ------------------------------------------------- during failsafe mode i get other error as below: Kernel panic: :VFS:unable to mount rootfs on hda5. ------------------------------------------------- why it gives two different msg in different modes.how do i recover it.does this happen du to some data loss during power failure or some other reason. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

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Fwd: Google sponsors Nmap summer student developers
by Puneet Lakhina 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fyodor <fyodor(a)insecure.org> Date: Jun 2, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: Google sponsors Nmap summer student developers To: nmap-hackers(a)insecure.org Hello everyone, Yesterday, Google announced their first Summer of Code program. This innovative and generous program provides $4,500 stipends to each of 200 university students to create or enhance open source software during their summer break. I am pleased to announce that Nmap is one of 40 open source projects that Google selected for this program. We would be pleased to work with one or more students to extend the power of Nmap. You get paid, gain valuable experience and a great resume booster, while the Nmap project and users benefit from your valuable contributions. You have until June 14 to apply if you are interested, though your chances may be better if you apply sooner. If you do fill out the application, please also send me the project description and a brief bio describing how your experience fits the project. Also let me know what school you attend. I have written up some project ideas, though you are free to submit whatever cool idea your heart desires. Here are the relevant URLs: Nmap Project Ideas: http://www.insecure.org/nmap/GoogleGrants.html Google's Summer of Code Page: http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html Participant FAQ: http://code.google.com/summfaq.html Application Form: http://code.google.com/soc_application.html Good luck! -Fyodor _______________________________________________ Sent through the nmap-hackers mailing list http://cgi.insecure.org/mailman/listinfo/nmap-hackers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Nokia 770
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 01:44, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > Hi guys, > i guess you all must have heard about Nokia 770 its a Linux based > Internet tablet that can use bluetooth Wi-FI to connect to the net > n has a host of other feature. And its dedicated for Internet i.e. > no phone. > I think it is targeting the wireless voip market, which could make GSM /CDMA cellular services as popular as horse-back transport. > > But one thing struck me about the nokia main site for the device( > www.nokia.com/770 <http://www.nokia.com/770>) it does not even > mention the term Linux or Open source. Dont know why that is?? Nokia having just emerged out of the dark cave, are testing the waters. The recent Nokia "patent gift" to the kernel is a case in point. As RMS said it seems to be one of the companies who try to give as little as possible in exchange for a cave full of FLOSS riches. The opening of it's patents itself was probably brought about by it's inability to distribute patent restricted code in the linux kernel, since this would place restrictions on a recipient and hence invalidate their licence to distribute the kernel. Thank RMS & saints for the gpl. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Nokia 770
by Puneet Lakhina 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

On 6/2/05, R. K. Rajeev <rajeevrk(a)myrealbox.com> wrote: > > Puneet Lakhina wrote: > > >Hi guys, > >i guess you all must have heard about Nokia 770 its a Linux based > Internet > >tablet that can use bluetooth Wi-FI to connect to the net n has a host of > >other feature. And its dedicated for Internet i.e. no phone. For > developers > >interested in it, it uses a development platform called > >maemo(www.maemo.org <http://www.maemo.org><http://www.maemo.org>). > >That is basically GTK+ only but with some modifications to make it > optimum > >for the mobile device. SO most of your GTK+ code should work wtht > >significant changes. CHeck out the maemo site it has a cool developer > >tutorial. > >But one thing struck me about the nokia main site for the device( > >www.nokia.com/770 <http://www.nokia.com/770> <http://www.nokia.com/770>) > it does not even mention the > >term Linux or Open source. Dont know why that is?? > > > > > Dear Puneet, > The linux mention is on the detailed features page... > http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,75023,00.html > Quote : > "The Nokia 770 Internet Tablet's software is upgradeable and currently > runs on the Linux-based Internet Tablet 2005 software edition. There is > a planned launch next year of an operating system upgrade – the Internet > Tablet 2006 software addition – that will support additional services, > including Internet telephony (VoIP) and Instant Messaging." > > Just my 2 bits. Hey ur right, i dont know i must have missed it, but i kinda did scrutinise it, and that mention that u say looks like something added seprately so i guess they added it in the last two three days... I dont know.. Anyways thanks for correcting me.. Regard's > Rajeev > > >Regards, > >Puneet > > > > > > >

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Nokia 770
by Puneet Lakhina 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Hi guys, i guess you all must have heard about Nokia 770 its a Linux based Internet tablet that can use bluetooth Wi-FI to connect to the net n has a host of other feature. And its dedicated for Internet i.e. no phone. For developers interested in it, it uses a development platform called maemo(www.maemo.org<http://www.maemo.org>). That is basically GTK+ only but with some modifications to make it optimum for the mobile device. SO most of your GTK+ code should work wtht significant changes. CHeck out the maemo site it has a cool developer tutorial. But one thing struck me about the nokia main site for the device( www.nokia.com/770 <http://www.nokia.com/770>) it does not even mention the term Linux or Open source. Dont know why that is?? Regards, Puneet

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Compile single module...
by Shreyas Phadnis 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Dear all, I made some modifications in the /usr/src/linux/drivers/ide/pci/sis5513.c file. It is the driver for my ide-controller. Now I would like to compile this file and load it as a module. "make sis5513" gives me erros. Please advise. Thank You, Shreyas Phadnis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help to setup a small LINUX Server
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 11:03, Richard Chang wrote: > Hi All, > I am having a piece of hardware called the Wipro Ezynet Server. Why not get the manual and cd from wipro? > I don't know what to do and how to go about it. Once I tried > loading RHL9 on to it. I took out the mbd and connected a pci vga > card and succeeded in loading RHL. That is the end of your problems no? Once u have RH9 running you can do whatever u want. > It has a small socket for > connecting a kbd using a connector similar to the ones for mouse we > used to have in P-I system. It has some kind of a card used to > display the booting info on an LCD screen. The moment I reconnected > the card, it just went bust. The card seems to know only the OS it > came packaged with and seems to be the loader ( like lilo or grub) > for the OS. Why do u need the LCD anyway. > > > > Anyone have a better idea, how to get it up and running without > connecting a VDU, KBD and MOUSE. U dont need kbd, mouse and vdu anyway. In fact that is how most hosts run. Just switch on and it will boot to it's default run level. If u need any additional services just add them to the default run level. rgds jtd

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samba and permission
by Komal 31 May '05

31 May '05

I'm using Fedora Core 1. I would like to mount a windows shared folder at fstab and allowing normal user to have read-write permissions. I have tried //192.168.0.1/linux /mnt/my_network_share/linux smbfs username=myusername,password=mypassword, default 0 0 //192.168.0.1/linux /mnt/my_network_share/linux smbfs username=myusername,password=mypassword,rw,uid=root,gid=root 0 0 Both of them will mount the drive, but normal users won't be able to write? How to i make it with write permission? What am i missing? Komal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SIS651 chipset story
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Monday 30 May 2005 22:10, Rony Bill wrote: > sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Firstly it seems to be linux compatible. > > http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_ab-t2301.html > > Our supplier recently advised us not to go for Asus mobos due to > bad (dealer) support problems, even though Asus is known for being > very good in mobos. Till now Mercury boards were being sold by us Is it via P4M266. what is the problem? I have two boards with power on problems. The battery (the regular suspect) was not the problem. will be sending both back. > as they reported minimum problems even in comparison with Intel > original boards. But lately their on board LAN keeps giving trouble Never had a problem with the lan check your RJ45 male. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Device Drivers, by Jonathan Corbet
by Raseel Bhagat 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Tue, 31 May 2005 sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote : >Available online >http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Maaan !!! I was just about keeping pace with LDD, 2nd Edition. I still have so much to cover and understand in 2.4 itself... so many things to explore... !!! Oh well !! So little time, SO much to do ;-) Raseel. Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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Linux Device Drivers, by Jonathan Corbet
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

Available online http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/

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DRM in I945 chipset
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

Time to vote with your wallet i suppose. AMD / VIA C3 it is for personal use until the air clears up. http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915 Using a mobo with the above will probably leave you exposed in a zillion ways. Even turning off the power is of no help. But for a private corporate network it has the potential to make the admins life interesting (maybe easy?). rgds jtd

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Fw: [Full-disclosure] Re: qmail security guarantee questioned
by Devdas Bhagat 31 May '05

31 May '05

This is currently only qmail on AMD64 with > 4GB of virtual memory, but people should upgrade anyway. Devdas Bhagat ----- Forwarded message from Georgi Guninski <guninski(a)guninski.com> ----- From: "Georgi Guninski" <guninski(a)guninski.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:00:22 -0400 To: <rgiambalvo(a)admin.giami.net> Cc: full-disclosure(a)lists.grok.org.uk, qmail(a)list.cr.yp.to Subject: [Full-disclosure] Re: qmail security guarantee questioned X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 12:35:48PM +0100, Justin Murdock wrote: > you have yet to demonstrate that this bug will allow the system to be > compromised - you'll be able to save a file in /var/qmail/queue, then > exec it, or a system binary - but you'll still be stuck with very poor > privileges. the program at: http://www.guninski.com/where_do_you_want_billg_to_go_today_4.html#qpopup executes code with root privileges via qmail-popup for me. the same commands zero writing bug. notes for the qmail fanatics: - this is not a dos, this is remote code execution with root privileges - with local access the offsets are easily found, so exploitation is very reliable in this case - djb gives installation instructions in INSTALL which allow root compromise - the payload consists of "int3" which produces trace trap for the microsoft certified solitaire experts (MCSEs) who can't get it -- where do you want bill gates to go today? _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SIS/ASUS Update
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Monday 30 May 2005 18:46, Sachin wrote: > hi > > UPDATE* Now recently the display freezes, i mean the > monitor turns off. Disable power saving in the bios and kernel. Or u may have forgot to set the "any key" in bios. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Way to go for Linux !!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Monday 30 May 2005 20:23, Erle Pereira wrote: > Richard Chang wrote: Ya Richard you got it finally (i hope) way to go. But the author apparently prefers to wear Horse blinkers. > > Here it is why > > > > http://www.linux-mag.com/content/view/1974/2303/ > > the author of that article has got a rather one-sided view And from the wrong end too. He's never heard about PDF. PDF is one of the standards in which to exchange documents. You do it by clicking an icon in openoffice. Do search for that feature in M$office. Will solve all problems of document exchange. Also the size of an Oo .sxw or sxc file is almost 1/3 of an M$ file. So why don't the bums in M$ spend some time to make their format similar to Oo. Besides it would become standards compliant. http://www.linuxworld.com/read/88713.htm > > my reply in short ... ever tried to hit a moving target? Trying to > make open-office write properly to a closed source format is > definetly not very high on the list of things to do (and _should_ > not be) while on the subject perhaps Richard will care to point out a source for M$ doc file format and M$office APIs. To get an idea of what we are blabbing about visit the url. http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList I do agree it's a different path from Richard's avowed noble goal of using without knowing how to. But nonetheless. He might also want to read (and inform the author too) http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-overview.html It will acquaint both with the goals and objectives of the Oo team. > { ...please lets not turn this thread into another philosophy > debate.. i only replied b/c i felt a few imp. details were left out > in the article. End this thread _here_ small correction Erle the most important points were left out in that article. This author has been publishing fud according to the folks on Groklaw. He had in the past published more balanced articles but seems to be going to the darkside. Perhaps a simple matter of Caviar and Champagne v/s freedom (yawn). Or maybe using without knowing as some love to say. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Way to go for Linux !!
by M.R.Anand 30 May '05

30 May '05

Well Interoperability is a problem, but its not cos of Linux or openoffice in particular. Can openoffice help it if M$ hasn't released the specs of the .doc format (atleast i couldnt find it even after extensive search on google, if any has then please let me know), besides openoffice atleast publishes the format it uses unlike M$ who like to "lock in" their customers. Interoperability will always be an issue as long as people are seeing to it that it is.Atleast with linux, its "open" about all formats and implementations. Even if others r not keen to reveal their implementation atleast the format should be revealed. What if the company were no longer in business, what happens to all the stuff thats "locked" now. This topic was touched my Dr. Nagarjuna also at the GLUG meet before this one (the one in which we had the HURD demo) The same argument applies to almost all (probably all) M$ products. So as long as you choose a closes solution u cannot complain about interoperability (according to me). Anand

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SIS651 chipset story
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 30 May '05

30 May '05

On Sunday 29 May 2005 21:34, Sachin wrote: > http://mayuripalharya.tripod.com/questionairre.html > > Hi All > Read a thread on ASUS/SIS and here is my story. Firstly it seems to be linux compatible. http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_ab-t2301.html > A year and 2 months before i bought a compaq s5030il > which has sis651 chipset 128 ram and p42.6ghz pre > loaded with turbo linux.In the first week it started > with sudden hangup. What kernel. Kernels below 2.4.19 could be a source of problems under very specific combination of conditions (but unlikely). After how much time does it stop. Run the board with some heavy load like kernel compile. If it hangs earlier u have a thermal problem. Use in a chilled room. Try a faster ram. or a slower cpu. Memtest should also help in identifying problems. also check for a bios update. Although linux does not use the bios it is possible that some device like the supervisory sensors could be causing a problem. also try disabling the onboard graphics and using a graphics card. If nothing else works write to the vendor pointing out that it does not work under windows and linux from the beginning and ask for a refund or better still credit for a new mobo. rgds jtd

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SIS651 chipset story
by Sachin 30 May '05

30 May '05

http://mayuripalharya.tripod.com/questionairre.html Hi All Read a thread on ASUS/SIS and here is my story. A year and 2 months before i bought a compaq s5030il which has sis651 chipset 128 ram and p42.6ghz pre loaded with turbo linux.In the first week it started with sudden hangup. Believe me Redington replaced the motherboard three times and the fourth time i took it to there office and i don't know what they did but it started working fine for a month and again now the same problem but i am left with no warranty on the system. The vendor even said it was because linux. There is no error at syslog, kernel log. Windows xp gives system error(102) and when error submitted states a Hardware failure. A reboot and the system may be fine for hours or sometimes in 20 to 30 minutes it will hang again. Can somebody help me with what could be the possibilty. Device manager shows everything fine. Is there any software like pc-doctor which can diagnose this problem which is a freeware in linux.Or can somebody guide me on this. I don't want to call redington guys because the maximum they would do is again replace the motherboard which they have done before. Can anybody assume what could be going wrong here or a way where the OS can exactly state which is the failing hardware. -- Sachin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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SIS/ASUS Update
by Sachin 30 May '05

30 May '05

hi UPDATE* Now recently the display freezes, i mean the monitor turns off. >What kernel. Kernels below 2.4.19 could be a source >of problems under very specific combination of >conditions (but unlikely). Kernel 2.6.11.6 >After how much time does it stop. Nothing specific may be half hour, some at startup and sometimes 3 to 4 hours. >Run the board with some heavy load like kernel compile.If it hangs earlier u have a thermal problem. Under normal temperature did 4 kernel compile and it had one hang. >Try a faster ram. or a slower cpu. Would try that >Memtest should also help in identifying problems. also check for a bios update. Although linux does not use the bios it is possible that some device like the supervisory sensors could be causing a problem. Would do that. And thanks for the advice. Sachin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: SIS651 chipset story
by Vickram Crishna 30 May '05

30 May '05

At 1:45 PM +0530 5/30/05, sherlock wrote: >On Sunday 29 May 2005 21:34, Sachin wrote: >> http://mayuripalharya.tripod.com/questionairre.html >> >> Hi All >> Read a thread on ASUS/SIS and here is my story. > >Firstly it seems to be linux compatible. >http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_ab-t2301.html > >> A year and 2 months before i bought a compaq s5030il >> which has sis651 chipset 128 ram and p42.6ghz pre >> loaded with turbo linux.In the first week it started >> with sudden hangup. > >What kernel. Kernels below 2.4.19 could be a source of problems under >very specific combination of conditions (but unlikely). >After how much time does it stop. >Run the board with some heavy load like kernel compile. >If it hangs earlier u have a thermal problem. Use in a chilled room. I've been having a similar peculiar problem, but the need for frequent rebooting has pointed me to the possible reason for failure: one hard disk (which just happens to be my system disk, with both Win98 and RH) keeps going off. On opening the box I find this disk is quite hot. My guess is it's heading towards failure. I plan to mirror it onto another disk at some point and save my data. It is definitely not an OS problem. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MySQL Migration Toolkit 1.0.7 beta Released
by Devdas Bhagat 30 May '05

30 May '05

On 29/05/05 17:58 +0530, Amol Hatwâr wrote: > > Oracle to mysql seems good. MySQL seems to be developing more n more day > > by day. > > > > Great going mysql !! > > > It's good to have features and all. But don't you think MySQL is killing > it's own competitive edge? > > Developers chose MySQL over others because it was lightweight; it was in > version 3.xx like a swiss-army knife. It is on it's way to becoming > elephantware. And I always thought it was because it was installed on webhosts and because PHP supported MySQL better than other databases. Lets see: relational integrity, stored procedures, triggers, acid compliance are just necessary features. Missing in MySQL 3.x. Does MySQL handle 30th February correctly? Devdas Bhagat

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Ruby vs Perl
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 30 May '05

30 May '05

Hi, Just ran into a prog lang that I didn't know.. Ruby - "the object oriented scripting language". Has anyone got to grips with this language. I just bought a book for Perl.. Is Ruby better than Perl or are they in two completely different worlds.. http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/20020101.html Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 30 May '05

30 May '05

On Sunday 29 May 2005 12:35, Trevor Warren wrote: > --- Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com> wrote: > > keep it on list - i for one am enjoying it > > [snip] > > No offence meant. But just cause we do not see eye > to eye on an issue however frivilous it may be we > choose to take it offline. > > In days when as a group we learnt.....we did toy > around with a lot more frivlous issues and that too > with no [ot] tags. > > Come on boys...rock and troll....oopsy..roll. Puneet and I agreed to disagree with two mails (offlist) of I-said-u -said and closed the thread. And actually GNU/Linux is becoming a bit too reliable (boring?). All my systems continue to roll without touching them. Hardly any tech issues. However the future is fraught with extreme danger due to proprietary companies - particularly M$ - lobbying for laws assigning themselves rights which usurp rights of the commons or fences off large areas of technology simply because somebody else got to filing patents first. Even worse fencing of technology which could be used for illegal acts in spite of the fact that such users are a microscopic subset of legit users, and the affected parties are big companies on a death spiral. They are equating knowledge with limited + non replicable resource - property. In reality the value of knowledge lies in it's non expendability and replicability. The original patent laws were created to benefit individuals by providing them a time limited period of monopoly, so that society and the creator could benefit from the IMPLEMENTATION of knowledge AND that knowledge become public. Patent law required that the patent be described in detail and with specificity. Over a period of time the whole system was turned on it's head so that companies became it's primary beneficiary and the patent paper itself was anything but detailed and specific. This bad situation was further twisted to patent business processes, software and algorithms (knowledge) thus trying to interfere with ones thought process. You can't think an alternate algo producing the same result. If you think this is idiotic be assured it IS NOT there are case against two doctors for discussing Hormone Replacement Therapy, which is patented by some company (HRT that is ). The excuse made by companies is that it costs a lot of money to create knowledge - which is directly contradicted by the evidence in the case of software. In the case of other knowledge like pharmaceuticals it could be shown that the major cost of identifying promising directions of research are borne by public bodies like universities. It's only the commercialization which is expensive, again much of that expense is marketing, distribution and legal costs - nothing to do with knowledge creation. The evidence is low cost drug mfgs in baruch / ankleshwar area often as low as 1/20th the cost of a branded equiv. The fight by the commons relies in the main on taking the moral high ground. Compromise this by condoning or justifying illegal behaviour and you will be delivering yourself a k.o. . In essence it's a slow slide to the Feudal age where a tyrant king and his overlords simply annexed large parts of the commons and made it private property and you paid a tithe to farm, or became a serf. Their power derived from wealth largely obtained by plundering peaceful wealthy communities. Sounds familiar?. rgds jtd

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X server trouble
by Puneet Lakhina 30 May '05

30 May '05

HI all, There was some problem with my xserver, it did not start after i installed java sdk 1.5. i think it was because of the space or something. anyway i removed that but now the problem is i have to login every time in text mode and i have too issue startx manually, using the command startx. How do i make it automatically do that and one more thing only gnome starts up. if i give startx kde it tries to start the x server but fails, any clues what could be the problem and how can i resolve it... Puneet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Trevor Warren 30 May '05

30 May '05

>thinking of it. But > I wanted to be doubly > sure that whatever I load into it runs for sure. > > Richard [snip] If you one of the techy types ready to "apt get get_my_freaking_package" then debian is for you else for eye-candy stick to rhel/suse. You may also try out FreeBSD/Solaris 10 which is somthing work toying around with if you haev the time. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: A question regarding LDAP
by Vickram Crishna 29 May '05

29 May '05

At 4:26 PM +0530 5/29/05, Vikrant Gaonkar wrote: >i have configured a master ldap with LDBM database and have also >configured 4 slave ldap's getting updated from this master. >now my problem is that these slave ldap's allow me to write on them >and if i give only read access to these slave ldap's then they dont >even give the master to update the database. >can anyone help me out with making the slave ldap's read only to >everybody else and write access only to the master. How about if you identify the master and slave database servers as users (presuming you will run the slaves and master on different machines), give only these users write access on both master and slaves, and read-only to everyone else - assuming you need to update the salve databases as well, otherwise just give the slaves write access to the master? -- Vickram

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Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 29 May '05

29 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 18:04, Puneet Lakhina wrote: Please take this off list if u want to continue, since I dont want to bore everyone with what we find interesting. On Friday 27 May 2005 18:04, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > > > Hey Sherlock, > > i know ur name is some jtd but m just helpin u stay in ur ambient > temperature. > And ya customers wisening up, if you deliver value to the custmore > than the most wise decision he made was hirin u?? You are mixing up getting customers and using illegal means to get customers. I jolly well know that getting customers (users) is important. Your tactic for getting them may include huge ad spends on BBC and Star telling potential customers blatant lies about how secure your software is or quietly working on already very secure software to make it even better. Getting customers illegally is bad for the customer and for other's business. But again it's not the business end of things that most people in the FLOSS eco system are interested in. It is usurping the commons and destroying it's value that we are worried about. M$ is the biggest and worst offender. There are / were others too Cisco, CherryOS, SCO, Forefront technologies (afair) etc. > And about M$ > loosing customers, thats just evolution as more n more players come > into the market and its good enough to survive the major market > holder will loose some share and thats where a company has to > innovate to stay in business. > I dont know if u know it or not but > "lets see where M$ will be if they keep their current behaviour. Current behaviour was in reference to ILLEGAL behaviour. Legal strategies and tactics are welcome and as you point out necessary. > And ya about makin illogical > observations - well if havin the customer s my first poriority > sounds illogical to you, u should be doin some readin not me.. You missed the point completely. It's about aquiring customers by illegal and unethical behaviour. Unethical is again subjective. To me an example of unethical tho perfectly legal behaviour is patetenting of prior art tech (fat file system, IS NOT, ) submarine patents. The fat file patents were overthrown but it costed the commons money and time to do so, both of which could have been more profitably spent. --chop the baloney about world peace, iraq, school education etc--- > > PS try changin ur email address u really are an embarrasment to the > name.. Somebody lost his cool -0 -that is a personal attack. But u obviously don't know me. and pls reply offlist if u want to continue discussing, i think we are wasting the commons resources. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A question regarding LDAP
by Animesh Singh 29 May '05

29 May '05

Evening Vikrant, > now my problem is that these slave ldap's allow me > to > write on them and if i give only read access to > these > slave ldap's then they dont even give the master to > update the database. > can anyone help me out with making the slave ldap's > read only to everybody else and write access only to > the master. define 2 acls ( one for replication, in read/write mode and another, in read only mode, for use ) Regards, Animesh. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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MySQL Migration Toolkit 1.0.7 beta Released
by Komal 29 May '05

29 May '05

MySQL Migration Toolkit 1.0.7 beta has been released. The MySQL Migration Toolkit is a powerful framework that enables you to quickly migrate your proprietary databases to MySQL. More information at: http://www.mysql.com/products/migration-toolkit You can download sources and binaries for Windows from: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/migration-toolkit This release adds support for MS SQL Server and addresses a number of bugs. All users are recommended to update to this new release. The list of new features includes - Support for MS SQL Server 2000 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Renaming of target schema objects The list of addressed bugs includes - Incomplete data transfer from some tables - Access BYTE and BIT not mapped to unsigned datatype - Datetime columns were missing time - Some Oracle/MS Access datatypes were not mapped Regards, Komal

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A question regarding LDAP
by Vikrant Gaonkar 29 May '05

29 May '05

Hi there, i have configured a master ldap with LDBM database and have also configured 4 slave ldap's getting updated from this master. now my problem is that these slave ldap's allow me to write on them and if i give only read access to these slave ldap's then they dont even give the master to update the database. can anyone help me out with making the slave ldap's read only to everybody else and write access only to the master. Regards Vikrant G ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A question regarding LDAP
by Trevor Warren 29 May '05

29 May '05

No idea about the config since its been quite soemtime me dirtied hands on with ldap. Did you check out the ACL's for slapd-slurpd?. Check the archives online pls. Also, the openldap mailing list may be a better place to get your queries answered if you do not get a satisfactory answer from any of the gurus here. HTH. Take care and have a great weekend dear. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Automatic generation of iptables rules based on country
by Komal 29 May '05

29 May '05

http://blacklist.linuxadmin.org/ Komal

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Morals and Ethics
by Puneet Lakhina 29 May '05

29 May '05

hi there sherlock, > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint >Oh god! how naive of me. I am eternally grateful to recieve this >gem of knowledge. Yea! wait till u get shafted by them. Or maybe >they have already got you by your paying them for the crap. Thats where the problem lies in this world, emotions. First of all cool it!!!! i may not have read all the books that u prob have , but i bet one of them has keepin ur cool as its what shall i say KEY POINTS. And while we are at business ethics my dear nice fella again excuse me for me not havin read all those books that u probably stack up , i just know one business ethic or moral or watever customer, and repeat customer, and more customers and if u havent made it out just yet il give u a hint its CUSTOMERS. And that M$ has more than any of our redhats or whatever hats. But please allow me to make it clear that m not a M$ evangalist. I just believe that u gotta acknowldege that foss cant match microsoft in every segment. Now u might say that the windows market share in desktop secotor is dropping but its somewhat like maruti u know itl drop but still they will have more than half of the market for atleast 10-15 years from now. And morals and ethics that went out of the window long time back not just from business but from our world in geenral. What else can explain the re-election of tyrant in the country of maximum of ur moral and ethical brothers(and sisters if i might say that). Now one thing more, the reason i have joined this mailing list is because i personally like using Linux and the community process asssociated with it and moreover i would like to get good at it..And i support the idea that people should have a choice. But i dont believe that a complete disregard for what a rival is doing will do any good to my cause. So dude chill, take it easy. And ya piracy where did i mention my likin of piracy? And thanks for the info which i was diein to get from a learned person like you about GNU/Linux. Thanks a lot.( With all ur sarcasm,i guess u got my point) > u got to play dirty and >Yep you wise fella. I am is loving u. Where do i buy that AK47 to >knock off competition. That is a bit violent?. How about knocking >them off for Rs.5850 + 11750 (winXP prof + office xp prof) and >any other of their stuff u find appetising, now that u know what >a rotten bunch they are. Now while two wrongs do not a right make, >it is much better than waiting to get short changed. And while we >are at it you can present the same argument to all and sundry and >add a mind numbing dent to the 3 billion hole caused by piracy in >Asia (according to their personal slave the BSF singapore). >Great guy you are. >Suggest you read some books on morals and business ethics before >making cockeyed observations. And stick to the right side of the >law by recommending a perfectly viable, completely legal, >no-bullshit alternative.No <http://alternative.No> not piracy - GNU/Linux.BTW it's >also legal (very sorry to spoil your fun). >> fines well the fines have been for anti monoply suites whr M$ which >> just reinforces the point that they v got power to do what they >> like wats 3 billion to microsoft nothin much i would say... >> and wat hapnd to the bundeled IE case against m$ doesnt look like >> there is much headway and netscape can go on reinventing itself >> from borrowed code, it aint doin any good >You really need to read. They have lost 70% of the webserver market, 70%????????? i dont know if we are switchin identites here but as far as i know M$ never had 70% of webserver market share. (Heard of apache - the most popular web server). Well probably those morals and ethics books dont have that bit... sorry >10% of the browser market since firefox hit them, 20% of the desktop >market in the last two yrs. Inspite of their illegal practices, >money, and fud. >But that is not enough. evertime u use or cause others to use M$ >products u are rewarding illegal and obnoxious behaviour either in >cash or by providing the next set of victims for exploitation. That >is the only lesson to be learnt. Regarding me causin others to use M$ i guess i made it clear that i upport the idea of havin a choice.. But i do believe that m$ will always be there as all users are not the same and never will be for some m$ is good for some linux is heaven. I guess u havent heard of this - Paanchon Ungliyan Barabar Nahin Hoti.(All fingers are not of the same size- in case u dont know hindi) Regards, Puneet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Italian, Venezulean voices favoue freeing knowledge
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 28 May '05

28 May '05

On Saturday 28 May 2005 15:35, Frederick Noronha wrote: > Free Software Foundation of India director Prof G Nagarjuna > stressed how India was able to fight-back attempts to make software > a patentable item. He said help for this endeavour had come from > enlightened politicians, the peoples' science movement, media and > others. Three cheers to Dr. Nag and the Enlightened politicians. Are we not safe for the time being from the IS NOT patent?. The EU directors are falling over themselves trying to permit software patents with a ridiculous condition known as "Technical effect" the said effect being produced when the software is run on a computing platform. Is there another platform on which software runs? All this inspite of stiff opposition from members and citizens. The last attempt to push the law thru was at a meeting of Fisheries and Agriculture (or some such), i am still trying to make the connection between fish and software. Probably only a fish would accept such red herring laws. rgds jtd

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Italian, Venezulean voices favoue freeing knowledge
by Frederick Noronha 28 May '05

28 May '05

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, May 28: Publicly-funded content must be openly available, and sharing knowledge only enhances its richness, Italian senator Fiorello Cortiana told a four-nation international conference held in the Kerala capital this morning. Eminent economist and former Venezuela minister for planning and development Dr Filipe Perez-Marti agreed, and stressed that participation, solidarity and wisdom would be the key three words that characterise a new global situation. Amidst praise for Kerala for organising this first ever south-to-south contact in the world of free software and free knowledge, speakers from Latin America (Venezuela, and Brazil), Italy and India explored ways of understanding their respective situations and possibilities for collaboration across the oceans. The Latin Americans were keen to hear about Kerala's attempts to look at take Free Software solutions to schools, through their IT@School project which aims to train about 200 master trainers, who will then train at least one teacher from each school in the state in the use of free software. Free Software Foundation of India director Prof G Nagarjuna stressed how India was able to fight-back attempts to make software a patentable item. He said help for this endeavour had come from enlightened politicians, the peoples' science movement, media and others. Latin American delegates spoke of how their firms including the Venezualan oil giant had opted for free software, both for more control over their work and avoid possibilities of sabotage in a crucial sector of the economy. Government of Brazil special advisor in the ministry of communications Antonio Bezerra de Albquerque Neto said Brazil was keen to build links with countries like India and China, and stressed that Free Software is a key means of in building a fairer society. SPACE executive secretary Satish Babu called this a fairly unique event and said Kerala had a good chance of building itself as a global destination of Free Software. SPACE chairperson Prof K R Srivathsan termed Free Software a natural way for the scientific community to play around with. Former musician turned Free Software activist Juan Carlos Gentile said he hoped this first-ever meet of its kind would lead to many things to come. Kerala IT secretary PH Kurian said ideas of sharing knowledge were not alien to India, and cited the case of Gautam Buddha who used the people's language to spread his message. Kerala began this four-nation meet on Saturday morning, and it aims to take the ideas of free software to different realms of society, which can gain from the power of sharing knowledge and culture. SPACE, the Thiruvananthapuram-based Society for the Promotion of Alternative Computing and Environment, is co-organiser of this event with the global NGO Hipatia (www.hipatia.net) and the Free Software Foundation-India (www.fsf.org.in). Organisers say that the international free software movement has shown a new way of knowledge creation and social ownership. They're keen to explore how the free software model can be applied to fields as diverse as governance, digital inclusion, development and culture. (ENDS) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Indigo not so open as .NET Framework?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 28 May '05

28 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 20:37, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > > May M$ burn in hell >:( Sometime ago there was a thread on advantages of Mono (was it Amol Hatwar). Not everyone on the list was convinced about it's advantages. I personally felt that a broader eco system would not be bad, especially since M$ was shouting from the roof top that .Net was free and open. On checking I found out that most of .Net is patent encumbered. Seems that unless i am willing to pay per seat + time limited protection money i am really digging my self into a hole. However the Mono project might still be of use if only to highlight the dangers of flirting with the vampire. My bet is that we would be seeing a Novell - M$ spat and Novell will have to abandon gpld mono but will continue using a closed version. Thus putting he poor souls who use Mono in a hole. see. If M$ says it's open be assured it's as open as a bear trap. Use .Net and Mono with very great caution. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 28 May '05

28 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 20:34, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> > > > > > Maruti or M$. While 15 yrs is like 15 light yrs in the > > > computing world, > > > >Umm, years and light years are different. A year is a measure of > > time while a light year is a measure of distance. > > hehe....i can't stop laughing! You got him good! :lol: YA ;-). But i'll duck under an artistic licence. rgds jtd

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Indigo not so open as .NET Framework?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/ndigo_mono_no_no/ "A Novell-backed project seeking to create an open source version of web services technology in future versions of Windows could hit an IP hurdle from Microsoft. Evaluation has begun on an open source version of Indigo, the web services communications layer due in Longhorn and updates to Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. But Microsoft suggests there could be issues over licensing of its intellectual property (IP) used in Indigo - even though previous elements of Mono have been developed by the community-" rgds jtd

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Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 00:16, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > hi there sherlock, My name is J. T. D'souza, as the sig says jtd. > > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint > Thats where the problem lies in this world, emotions. First of all > cool it!!!! i may not have read all the books that u prob have , > but i bet one of them has keepin ur cool as its what shall i say > KEY POINTS. Never loose my ambient temp which is always kinda high - keeps one fit. > And while we are at business ethics my dear nice fella > again excuse me for me not havin read all those books that u > probably stack up , i just know one business ethic or moral or > watever customer, and repeat customer, and more customers and if u > havent made it out just yet il give u a hint its CUSTOMERS. Thanks for the confirmation about the books but do read up before all those customers wisen up to illegal business practices and get u. > And > that M$ has more than any of our redhats or whatever hats. Funny how M$ keeps loosing them INSPITE of a their lack of scruples. > But please allow me to make it clear that m not a M$ evangalist. who cares even if you are. Just don't make illogical observations about business ethics without understanding the legalities and wider ranifications. > I > just believe that u gotta acknowldege that foss cant match > microsoft in every segment. Now u might say that the windows market > share in desktop secotor is dropping but its somewhat like maruti u > know itl drop but still they will have more than half of the market > for atleast 10-15 years from now. Maruti or M$. While 15 yrs is like 15 light yrs in the computing world, let's say we look in 3 yrs time and see where M$ will be (assuming that they continue their current behavior). > > And morals and ethics that went out of the window long time back > not just from business but from our world in geenral. The FLOSS methodology of development can indeed address broader issues, but shall we stick to computers and FLOSS rather than world politics, global warming, green philosphy and life on other (SETI should help u) worlds. > > Now one thing more, the reason i have joined this mailing list is > because i personally like using Linux and the community process > asssociated with it and moreover i would like to get good at > it..And i support the idea that people should have a choice. But i > dont believe that a complete disregard for what a rival is doing > will do any good to my cause. Weren't we focussing attention on an ethically challenged company who restricts choice by illegal activities and by using the naive in it's scheme? > So dude chill, take it easy. And ya > piracy where did i mention my likin of piracy? And thanks for the > info which i was diein to get from a learned person like you about > GNU/Linux. Thanks a lot. Hope u got it. By justifying illegal behavior u are doing a definite disservice to FLOSS. FLOSS relies on legal and ethical behaviour to proliferate and progress. rgds jtd

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Re: LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 (Shreyas Phadnis)
by Roshan 27 May '05

27 May '05

1. Re: LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 (Shreyas Phadnis) From: Shreyas Phadnis <linuxace(a)gmail.com> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:35:03 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 > On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 09:39 +0530, Richard Chang > wrote: > > I plan to upgrade my current system currently Cel > 1.2 ghz. Planning for the > > AMD/Asus combo. > > If you plan to go for AMD then avoid ASUS mobos. Coz > Asus boards have > poor support for linux. Google it, u`ll know. Still > if are sure you want > to buy ASUS, then go for the ones with NVIDIA > chipsets.The ASUS mobos > with SiS chipsets suck! > > Regards, > Shreyas Phadnis. I have an ASUS mobo and it does have SiS....however, I am using Redhat Linux 9.0 and things work fine. I recently tried installing sound card driver and messed up my kernel. Now it loads some modules forcibly.. I feel; by default, ASUS for linux is not bad..but if linux is tweaked or tampered then may be it wud become bad. RH9 did detect my SiS chipsets and things are working almost normal (except the sound ....) Even then, I would recommed you to go "INTEL Motherbords and Processors"...but it also depends on the budget you have and the kind of work to be done. However, if its more of work in graphics and stuff...and linux.... then I would recommend going only for INTEL instead of AMD. All the best! _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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securetty
by Karia Amit 27 May '05

27 May '05

Hi all, I want to disallow both root and normal users to login to tty3 .Root login is disable but normal users are still able to login to terminal. What other modification i need to make to that file here is content my /etc/securetty file vc/1 vc/2 vc/3 vc/4 vc/5 vc/6 vc/7 vc/8 vc/9 vc/10 vc/11 tty1 tty2 ttyS3 tty4 tty5 tty6 tty7 tty8 tty9 tty10 tty11 "Difference Between Good And Great Is That Good Performs Well And Great Performs Well Consistently" Regs, Amit Karia

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] securetty
by Nadiem 27 May '05

27 May '05

--- Karia Amit <amit_karia99(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > I want to disallow both root and normal users to > login to tty3 > .Root login is disable but normal users are still > able to login to terminal. What other modification i > need to make to that file > here is content my /etc/securetty file > vc/1 > vc/2 > vc/3 > vc/4 > vc/5 > vc/6 > vc/7 > vc/8 > vc/9 > vc/10 > vc/11 > tty1 > tty2 > ttyS3 > tty4 > tty5 > tty6 > tty7 > tty8 > tty9 > tty10 > tty11 /etc/securtty is concerned with root logins only. It does not authenticate non-root logins. For that purpose, you need to edit the /etc/security/access.conf file. Add this to /etc/security/access.conf : -:ALL:tty3 Make sure your /etc/pam.d/login has this line: account required pam_access.so If it doesn't, you not only need to add the line, but also add it at the correct _sequence_. Just put it below any existing "account" line and you should be fine. HTH, Nadiem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Morals and Ethics
by Kenneth Gonsalves 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 1:49 pm, Amol Hatwār wrote: > nor would I say that all MS software > is good. could you give a few examples of good M$ software? -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.sourceforge.net ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Richard Chang 27 May '05

27 May '05

Dear All, Just for info. Would like to know which FC3 kernel can we load on the AMD Athlon 64 2800+. Is it FC3-x86_64 ot the FC3-i386 kernel. Anyone who is using the above mentioned processor with LINUX ?. BTW is Athlon 64 x86_64 or i386 compatible. rgrds, rc

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Multiple distros
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 11:35, Shreyas Phadnis wrote: > On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 09:39 +0530, Richard Chang wrote: > > I plan to upgrade my current system currently Cel 1.2 ghz. > > Planning for the AMD/Asus combo. > > If you plan to go for AMD then avoid ASUS mobos. Coz Asus boards > have poor support for linux. Google it, u`ll know. Any experience? > Still if are > sure you want to buy ASUS, then go for the ones with NVIDIA > chipsets.The ASUS mobos with SiS chipsets suck! Any particular reason? I thought that AMD cpu boards used AMD chipsets which are very well supported. U can run linuxbios on em - which is the bottomline for linux support (u require extremely detailed documentation from the vendor to write a bios). could u please list the chipset numbers if it's not too much trouble. rgds jtd > > Regards, > Shreyas Phadnis. rgds jtd

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