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Re: [ILUG-BOM] problem plz help
by Nikhil Karkera 12 Jun '03

12 Jun '03

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 Manish Jethani wrote : >hitesh gaa wrote: > > > I had linux 9.0 installed and had partioned it automatically during > > installation. > >Most of us are from 2003 A.D., when linux was only in 2.x >(2.4/2.5 as of this writing). You seem to have come down from a >distant future. Many of us in 2003 believe that, by the time >linux is 9.0, Windows will be extinct. Your post seems to >suggest otherwise. Can you elaborate on the situation? What >year is this? Are you able to distinguish between linux-powered >humanoids and real humans? Are you human? > >time-machine running linux!). Also, these "people" seem to >exhibit a slightly lower IQ--either humans have gone dumb, or This is getting really old. Many newbies, trying GNU/Linux for the first time probably don't know the difference between a kernel version number and distro version number. The probably are even clear on the funda of a distro. Given that one of the objectives of the list is to encourage newbies to use GNU/Linux, such a reply doesn't help. This has happened so many times, I think one should understand by now that it is a common misunderstanding people have about version numbers. Hitesh, please mention what distribution of GNU/Linux you are using i.e. Red Hat, Debian etc. Also it's a good practice to use a meaningful subject line (on this list it's necessary). Regards, Nikhil.

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[ILUG-BOM] [Info-Commercial] Invitation to visit the InfoTech WorldExpo exhibition
by MagNet WebPublishing Pvt. Ltd. 12 Jun '03

12 Jun '03

Hi All, We would like to invite you to our stall at the InfoTech WorldExpo organized at NSE Complex, Goregaon (E) during 13-15 June. We are launching "Radix Clever Client Solution Platform" at this expo. There will also be presentations about solutions and happening technologies in GNU/Linux. It will be great if you can make up for this event! Here are the details: Radix Solution Platform: --------------------- MagNet welcomes you to witness the launch of Radix Solution Platform. Explore server based computing on Linux. Discover how Radix can cut down IT software and hardware costs tremendously. Radix allows you to work remotely on Linux, Windows and Citrix and offers centralized management. Enterprise Solutions: --------------------- Learn what Linux has on offer for your company in areas like: - Messaging & Groupware - Desktop Productivity - Security - Knowledge Management - Document Management - Education / Virtual Learning - Web Development Linux Tech Showcase: -------------------- See the hot technologies and solutions: - Clever computing with Radix - Opie - Linux on Pocket PC - Kalculate - Linux Accounting Software - IndLinux - Knoppix Live Linux - Multimedia with mPlayer - Horde Groupware - Learning Management with Moodle Presentation Plan: ------------------ 13th June 4 to 4.45PM Linux on the Desktop 5 to 5.45PM Radix Clever Client Solution Platform 14th June 10 to 10.45AM Economies of GNU/Linux (by Dinesh Shah, Shah Micro Solutions) 4 to 4.45PM GNU/Linux for the Indian Enterprise 5 to 5.45PM Linux in Indian Languages (by Venkatesh Hariharan, IndLinux) 15th June 4 to 4.45PM GNU/Linux for the Indian Enterprise 5 to 5.45PM GNU/Linux and Education in India (by Prof. Jitendra Shah, VJTI) MagNet is glad to host Linux For You, IndLinux, Kalculate and ILUG-BOM / FSF India at the booth. You can catch up with Venky of IndLinux on Saturday. Would like to invite volunteers from the GLUB for Sunday! Special Offer: --------------- Get Knoppix Bootable Linux CD, IndLinux Indian Linux, Kalculate Pro accounting software (60 days trial) and a copy of Linux For You magazine. For Rs. 50 ONLY! (offer till stocks last, can change according to availability ;) I look forward to see you there! Regards, Nirav. ====================================================== | tangible, customized solutions for your e-business | | http://www.magnet-i.com/ | ======================================================

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KDE indianization
by Nilesh Bansal 12 Jun '03

12 Jun '03

We are trying to indianize KDE. We have translatted po file (of kedit) but after making mo file and putting it in appropriate dir (/opt/kde3/share/locale/hi/LC_MESSAGES/kedit.mo ) and exporting lang variable when we started kedi we saw no change. When we started kedit again it showed square boxes for all entries(both translated and untranslates). When i copied german mo file in hindi dir then also it showed boxes. While when LANG=de it works fine in german. Anybody having any idea why so?? Most interesting is that after placing mo file and starting kedit first time we saw no change but second time onwards(even after deleting hindi mo file) when LANG=hi it shows only boxes. Anybody having any ides. Nilesh Bansal.

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[ILUG-BOM] hi could someone pls help me configure the internet connection!
by Rohan Niranjan Ullal 12 Jun '03

12 Jun '03

Hello Every1, I am having Red Hat 9.0 and have an internet connection from a cable internet provider. Actually its an ethernet and I have been given a static IP/netmask : 172.16.56.202/255.255.255.252 . I have also been given a gateway : 172.16.1.1 and a DNS server IP : 172.16.1.1 . I have configures device eth0 to have static IP address and default gateway is also configured. THe internet connection I ude first requires me to log on with a username and password by first going on the 172.16.1.1 website. I am able to browse the ethernet. Able to log on see my usage. But when I have to go somewhere on to the internet it gives me a message connection refused when attempting to connect to... when i ping those websites it says network unreachable. I tried to install squid but squid wont start it gives an error about some unknown name???? pls help me as thats the only reason preventing me to totally switch over to GNU/Linux from other operating systems. Thank u for ur time Rohan :)

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Redhat,,,Knoppix,,,,
by junaid 12 Jun '03

12 Jun '03

Hi guys I'm very new to linux so help. I'm not able to instll redhat 7.2 on my machine .its not probing monitor and video drive itself...so i selected the wright one in the list ....the ones which mandrake recognises and works fine.....still redhat after the whole process of installation on sending termination signals shows monitor and video drive not found ..and doesn't run on rebooting.. My machine is Amd....Asus (MB)...Nvidea (Chip set) ...Video d. Ge Force 2 I tried ELX which i got in linuxforu , it also gives the same problem. Knoppix 3.2 is giving a bit different probs....as soon as it starts booting from cd , it automaticaly switches on the power management and shows me 'Operating frequency out of range ' and switches off the monitor in 20secs. My monitor is LG Studioworks 500G. Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] HELP ON lfy KINOPPIX Cd WITH ROOT PASSWORD
by linuxdev 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

For the root passwd problem, here's my take: its renewed and encrypted each time u boot into knoppix. so you can't find it out. (anyone? :D) However they provide the mighty root console via the start>knoppix sub menu of kde. Oh and it gives direct root access. After all you are the only one. its the cleanest and official option. However mounting hdd partitions is a matter of click since knx identifies and lists them on desktop by default. No need be root for that. Then again the question of ejecting the knx cd while its running. No problems with that too as long as you don't try to start a new software after ejecting the cd. The kernel and quite a considerable amount is loaded into ram so it doesn't need the cd for that. Keep whatever software you want running and then eject. And to eject, first unmount the cd via root console then manually eject ! :D Actually i tried this as i only have a cd-writer and no cd-rom drv. so i kept xcdroast running, mounted my hdd partitions, ejected the cd. burned a new cd and popped the knx cd back again. smooth eh ? although there's a little problem when you remount. Perhaps something to do with the mounting options. try it and let me know, C Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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HELP ON lfy KINOPPIX Cd WITH ROOT PASSWORD
by Ankur is here in ur inbox...... 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

hi guys, i require some help can anyone tell me the root password for the LFY Kinoppix cd which came along with this month's issue.. i need to mount my drives ...but for that the system ask's me for root password..and also can anyone tell me how can i eject the LFY KINOPPIX cd after i have booted from it.. Thanking you in advance. Ankur Ankur ___________________________________________________ Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. Just Rs. 1499/ year. Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com

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Problem with display driver
by kunal bharati 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

I tried to install Redhat 9.0 on my PC. I am having S3 Graphics Prosavage DDR for the display. It detected it as S3 Prosavage KM133 because Redhat 9.0 didnt detected my display driver. I can run Redhat 9.0 at 800x600 resolution , 256 color display. Can anyone suggest me from where I can download rpm for S3 Graphics Prosavage DDR I searched on google but I didnt got that thanks, Kunal __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

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Re:Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: PHP help needed
by Dot Dot 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

>It's one thing to ask for help configuring PHP on your box. But >this was just asking for how to program in PHP/JavaScript. It's >like asking beginner C questions on this list just because GCC >is free software. I will suggest that we stop trying to moderate every user and ask for a perfect mailing list with all well behaved members. >> request - plz tone down your replies. We don't want to be >> percieved as unfriendly to newbies/question posers. > >I think my reply was very friendly, by ilug-bom standards :) Vinayak, I will classify some of your replies as very unfriendly too. If you guys want to flame each other, why don't you do it sending a personal mail. Don't ask me why I'm not sending personal mails. :) Lets get back to Linuxing. __________________________________________________________ Get Your Electric Email at http://webmail.electricmela.com

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by Amit Redij 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

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Some weired problem with Installation
by Shashank Ashtikar 09 Jun '03

09 Jun '03

Hello Everyone, I recently purchased a PC and installed knoppix 3.2 on it. But I ran in to a strange problem with it. <problemDescription> After installing GNU/Linux for the first time with xfs filesystem. suddenly after few days I recieved an error from INIT which said getty not found and got stuck at that. Suspecting a damaged file system I ran xfs_recover on the root partition. After recovery the OS worked fine for few days but only to run in to the same problem again. This time also I repaired the filesystem and OS worked fine. But the problem kept coming back. Hence after a while I reinstalled GNU/Linux with ReiserFS. With this the OS worked fine for another 15 days, but after 15 days it crashed bad this time it was saying INIT panick exception violation at (some hex address) waiting for 30 sec and I got the same message after every 30 second. suspecting a bad HDD I ran badblocks command on it to find and fix any badblocks present. But none were found. And recovery was also not feasible this time Hence now I have reinstalled GNU/Linux with ext3 filesyste. IT's working fine so far(I ve not passed that evil 15th day yet). Hope I won't run in to the same problem again. </problemDescription> I was told that there are some issues regarding xfs filesystem in knoppix hence I took the decision of reinstall for the first time. On both the occasions system was shutdown properly. And syslog did not report any abnormilities. Can any one shed some light on this. Thanks in Advance Shashank

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Runaway ESR
by Amol Hatwar 09 Jun '03

09 Jun '03

Wonder if any one of you came across this @ Slashdot. It's about ESR adding his own jargon descriptions to the well-known jargon file he maintains. You can see the post here: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/06/08/1534249.shtml?tid=99 For people too lazy to point their browsers here's a short description: ---Starts-- As reported by NTK, ESR appears to have embarked apon the process of recasting the Jargon File in his own image, adding terms like "Aunt Tillie" and "GhandiCon" that he dreamt up and seemingly no-one else uses, and various terms from (of all places) the warblogging community, where he is active. He's also updated the "Hacker Politics" page to be more closely aligned with his own views. --Ends-- Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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SCO evidence
by Amol Hatwar 09 Jun '03

09 Jun '03

Seems that SCO has given evidence to analysts at the Aberdeen Group; some 80 lines of it. More details here: http://eet.com/sys/news/OEG20030606S0039 As of now, I think SCO's making a mountain out of a mole-hill. But then here is one concern presented in the article: <i>If SCO (Lindon, Utah) prevails in its legal efforts, many observers believe the action could, at best, result in hundreds of multimillion-dollar licensing payments from Fortune 1000 companies and, at worst, damage the foundation of open-source software.</i> Well, I knew OSS was based on wrong principles--kind of a leg-in-leg, but this will certainly raise questions on the immunity of Free Software from such claims. Any expert opinions here? Amol Hatwar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] debian cramfs? kernel panic unable to mount
by Satish Alwani 08 Jun '03

08 Jun '03

By the looks of things, you may also want to use a rescue disc, and check your lilo for the correct root device, or other lilo options. Since its asking you to enter directly to shell, that looks like single-user mode. If you have upgraded the kernel, try booting back to the last working kernel, or the original kernel. If this fails as well, means you prolly have to check the lilo options. Its very unlikely for a filesystem to die off.

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PHP vs. ASP .NET
by Amol Hatwar 08 Jun '03

08 Jun '03

I recently came across this article defending PHP against ASP .NET. Pretty interesting stuff. :) Must read for pedagogues, purists and pundits. Here's the link: http://blogs.phparch.com/index.php?m=200305#128 P.S. PHP5 is something to be watched. I guess it'll break the mold once again! Cheers, Amol Hatwar.

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Help me Pukar Urgently !!!!!!!!
by chetanjain 07 Jun '03

07 Jun '03

Pukar can i get the exatt address where we r actually meeting n about the time......mail me plsss urgently....n the time 2222 chetan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).

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long time no events....hands on workshops for bombayites
by Trevor Warren 07 Jun '03

07 Jun '03

Hello Luggers, Its been a really long time since we did some real open workshops for bombayites. What say???. Am all for getting this on the road. Trevor -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ trevor(a)clovertechnologies.com __ /~\ | \) / Pre Sales Consultant - Red Hat \ (/ | |_|_ \ 9820349221(M) | 22881326(O) / _|_| \___________________________________/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Reviving the PRC
by Himanshu shukla 07 Jun '03

07 Jun '03

Its a wonderful thought, and I was personally greatly disappointed when it didn't kick off last time. However, the PRC is just as it was, and I have not deleted anything from the site..the passwords, usernames, etc are still present. If we can do anything to get it going, that'll be great. Cheers, Himanshu -----Original Message----- From: "GNUrpreet Singh" <gnurpreet(a)softhome.net> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:47:55 +0530 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Reviving the PRC GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST. ------------------------------------- hello friends Trevor, FN and I were thinking of reviving the very noble concept of the "Project Resource Center" which trevor n Dr. Nag started last year.The idea was that we have pros on the mailing lists who can very well mentor free s/w projects. we can have a place where students can come and choose projects and interact with their respectve mentors and maybe also have meetings with them on regulr intervals. This would help both the community as there will be more development and also the students coz they can find projects to work on. The idea is quite noble and it did help us a lot last year. This, I think would be a good time to start the PRC again bcoz in a short while, the BE students will start looking for projects to do as thier final year project and we can use this opportunity to put them onto free software projects. This would help them in their acads and we can gather up some more free software for the community. A good way to start would be to... o prepare a list of the people intereseted on the mailing lists in india who are ready to mentor proejects. o List down the projects that can be given out. a few options might be... -contributions on indlinux (what say karunakar??) -some development on libyahoo on which mr philip tellis has been working... - gknowledge (dr. nag, can we have some modules on which some students can work??) - etc etc (ooh! this is a nice project '-) ) Lets take this all over India this time and try to get more and more people(both students and mentors) on this. Who else can do the work of spreading the word better than FN :). FN, can we have the word spread to all the mailing lists in the country. I m posting this on the mumbai and pune GLUGs. Goa and Bealgaum GLUGs are the one i know of, you ofcourse would know of many more such destinations where you can have this mail. It would also be great if you can have the PRC mentioned in the next issue of LFY(if thats not too much of a trouble.) I think we will have to conduct a few more workshops around us if the idea has to be spread to the majour colleges. I will try and push to have one workshop organised some time in july in South maharashtra(would be either in RIT, Sangli or DY Patil COE, Kolhapur (bhaskar, u getting this??) ). May be the PLUG can have a few workshops done in engg colleges in pune and spread the idea, what say pluggerz?? suggestions and ideas invited. regards GNUrpreet -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers o all the mailing lists in the country. I m posting this on the mumbai and pune GLUGs. Goa and Bealgaum GLUGs are the one i know of, you ofcourse would know of many more such destinations where you can have this mail. It would also be great if you can have the PRC mentioned in the next issue of LFY(if thats not too much of a trouble.) I think we will have to co

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meet
by pitcom＠vsnl.com 07 Jun '03

07 Jun '03

Hi... all I may join at the meet at PUKAR Regards Kamlesh

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[ILUG-BOM] Help needed to convert VB application on open source - commercial
by Rakesh Goyal 06 Jun '03

06 Jun '03

we have an application with front-end as VB6 on win98/nt/2k. reporting tool used is Crystal report 8.5. back-end can be rdbms connected thru odbc. aaa. we have replaced rdbms to win-Mysql under windows environment with minor modifications but crystal-report is not supporting mysql (under win2k environment) any help / guidance on report-generation tool on mysql under windows environment will be appreciated. bbb. next, we intent to migrate / convert the application on linux, mysql / postgresql with browser-front-end using perl/php. any help for conversion or trainging on commercial basis is appreciable. Rakesh Goyal Sysman Computers P Ltd. Mumbai sysman(a)vsnl.com / sysman(a)sysman.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GLUG website updated
by rohitash panda 06 Jun '03

06 Jun '03

hi guys, this might probably be my first ILUG meet.its must have taken pains from you people to arrange for this kind of meet.I would also like to contribute to something in the near future once i get to know about the workings. regards rohit Life is a sexually transmitted disease. Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.Unix is very user-friendly. It`s just picky who its friends are. ___________________________________________________ Impress your clients! Send mail from me @ mycompany.com . Just Rs.1499/year. Click http://www.rediffmailpro.com to know more.

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Reviving the PRC
by GNUrpreet Singh 06 Jun '03

06 Jun '03

hello friends Trevor, FN and I were thinking of reviving the very noble concept of the "Project Resource Center" which trevor n Dr. Nag started last year.The idea was that we have pros on the mailing lists who can very well mentor free s/w projects. we can have a place where students can come and choose projects and interact with their respectve mentors and maybe also have meetings with them on regulr intervals. This would help both the community as there will be more development and also the students coz they can find projects to work on. The idea is quite noble and it did help us a lot last year. This, I think would be a good time to start the PRC again bcoz in a short while, the BE students will start looking for projects to do as thier final year project and we can use this opportunity to put them onto free software projects. This would help them in their acads and we can gather up some more free software for the community. A good way to start would be to... o prepare a list of the people intereseted on the mailing lists in india who are ready to mentor proejects. o List down the projects that can be given out. a few options might be... -contributions on indlinux (what say karunakar??) -some development on libyahoo on which mr philip tellis has been working... - gknowledge (dr. nag, can we have some modules on which some students can work??) - etc etc (ooh! this is a nice project '-) ) Lets take this all over India this time and try to get more and more people(both students and mentors) on this. Who else can do the work of spreading the word better than FN :). FN, can we have the word spread to all the mailing lists in the country. I m posting this on the mumbai and pune GLUGs. Goa and Bealgaum GLUGs are the one i know of, you ofcourse would know of many more such destinations where you can have this mail. It would also be great if you can have the PRC mentioned in the next issue of LFY(if thats not too much of a trouble.) I think we will have to conduct a few more workshops around us if the idea has to be spread to the majour colleges. I will try and push to have one workshop organised some time in july in South maharashtra(would be either in RIT, Sangli or DY Patil COE, Kolhapur (bhaskar, u getting this??) ). May be the PLUG can have a few workshops done in engg colleges in pune and spread the idea, what say pluggerz?? suggestions and ideas invited. regards GNUrpreet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Directions to PUKAR
by joel_divekar 06 Jun '03

06 Jun '03

Hi I am joining too along with my friend(s). Regards Joel "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"<linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> wrote: Hi, > guys attending to this meet plsssssssss do reply to this mail....i am coming..Pukar > plss reserve my seat for the meeet...... I will also make it! We can discuss about the expo and finalize things. Regards, Nirav. ====================================================== | MLEP - Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP education program | | http://www.mlep.com/ | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | tangible, customized solutions for your e-business | | http://www.magnet-i.com/ | ====================================================== -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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who's coming
by chetanjain 06 Jun '03

06 Jun '03

who's is coming for the meet ....n if what r the expences for it....waiting for an early reply....from pukar... chetan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).

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Pukar
by Satish Alwani 06 Jun '03

06 Jun '03

I should be there too!! about 98% --- I leave my 2% to work! :)

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Re: Directions to PUKAR
by MagNet WebPublishing Pvt. Ltd. 06 Jun '03

06 Jun '03

Hi, > guys attending to this meet plsssssssss do reply to this mail....i am coming..Pukar > plss reserve my seat for the meeet...... I will also make it! We can discuss about the expo and finalize things. Regards, Nirav. ====================================================== | MLEP - Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP education program | | http://www.mlep.com/ | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | tangible, customized solutions for your e-business | | http://www.magnet-i.com/ | ======================================================

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[Fwd: [ilug-goa] GNU/Linux positions in Pune][OT]
by Trevor Warren 06 Jun '03

06 Jun '03

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Frederick Noronha (FN) <fred(a)bytesforall.org> To: ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: [ilug-goa] GNU/Linux positions in Pune Date: 30 Apr 2003 03:24:20 +0530 Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:49:47 +0530 (IST) From: <careers(a)acclivitous.com> To: <plug-mail(a)plug.org.in> Subject: [PLUG] [COMMERCIAL] Positions for Linux Experts in Pune Reply-To: plug-mail(a)plug.org.in Hi, We have the following positions open with one of our MNC clients in Pune. If match the profile and are interested, please email your detailed resume to careers(a)acclivitous.com. Please mention the post applied for in the subject. ** Senior Software Engineer - Linux: - At least 4 years of experience in programming in Linux/Unix environment: C/C++, Perl, Python, Shell Scripting, XML - Knowledge of development tools and networking - Good Communication Skills - Ability to work in fast paced environment - Experience working with remote development teams is a plus - Commitment to delivering high quality software on time. - Familiar with full life cycle of software development ** Software Engineer- Linux: 2-3 years development experience on Linux/Unix. Sound knowledge of Unix Operating System internals and good trouble-shooting skills. Programming experience in languages like C, C++ and sound knowledge of Object Oriented concepts is a must. Programming Experience with Internet technologies like DNS, Mail, web servers, web-hosting, FTP, and SSH are highly desirable. Knowledge of Redhat packagers a must. ** Build and Release Engineer: The ideal candidate will have solid background in Windows and Linux build environment, good experience with CVS and the ability to implement an automated process to build and release. Nice to have skills include Perl, PHP, VB, bash and knowledge of .NET technologies. The candidate will be responsible for ensuring quality and delivery of builds. Work closely with Development Team and coordinate/drive the build development/release process. - Keep abreast of the build process and associated changes on an ongoing basis. - Introduce ongoing improvements/automation in the release process. - Troubleshoot build errors and maintain release matrix. ** Systems Engineers (Linux) for customer advocacy group: - Strong knowledge in Linux. - Extensive knowledge of Apache, BIND, Sendmail, POP3/IMAP4 is mandatory - Knowledge of Web hosting business - Extensive hands-on experience (2 years Linux Sys Admin) - Windows 2000 Server experience is desirable - Strong knowledge in network and systems architecture, firewalls and Internet technology - Should know vi or equivalent editor (to edit documents in a UNIX environment) - Ability to grasp technical information quickly with proven track record in logical problem solving techniques to troubleshoot system problems independently - Superior customer service skills with excellent verbal and written skills Thanks, Rinku Chopra --__--__-- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get 128 Bit SSL Encryption! http://us.click.yahoo.com/xaxhjB/hdqFAA/bW3JAA/0XFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To Post a message, send it to: ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: ilug-goa-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ trevorwarren(a)softhome.net __ /~\ | \) / Pre Sales - Technical, Red Hat \ (/ | |_|_ \ 9820349221(M) | 22881326(O) / _|_| \___________________________________/

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Pentium based Linux machine, over 6000 days' uptime??
by Tahir Hashmi 06 Jun '03

06 Jun '03

Hi all! http://counter.li.org/reports/uptimestats.php says that the longest running Linux machine has an uptime of an incredible 6011 days as of 2003-06-05 17:35 hrs. Two questions: 1) Since how long has Pentium been around? 2) Since how long has Linux been around? Go figure! -- Tahir Hashmi Compact XML Alternative - http://xqueeze.sf.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Hands-On Workshop
by Bhushan Kelshikar 05 Jun '03

05 Jun '03

hi luggerz !!! i would have loved to come to the meet and also volunteer for any job if required. sadly i have my exams coming up so i may not be able to participate. :-( hopefully we have more meets ... and i would be able to attend !!! newayz ... cheers to all u luggerz !!! bhushan q u a s i wrote: > At 12:36 morn 6/5/03 +0530, DS wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I would recommend the meet on 8th June at this venue, if Mr. Shekhar is >> open to the idea of course. Since this place is centrally located, more >> ppl will be able to attend and more ideas to explore. >> >> For the agenda we can have following things, >> >> 1. Discussion about GLUG-Bom and PUKAR partnership. >> 2. Discussion about the offer of Magnet-I and participation in the expo. >> 3. Techi talk on Wi-Fi in GNU/Linux by Trevor? >> >> What say guys? > > > Good Idea. I would also suggest that we charge a minimal fee -- > ~20Rs. or something & provide snacks. The best part about the GLUG > meets is the interaction with group members -- not the talks IMHO. It > would be good if we have more informal time to chat & discuss than to > sit formally and listen to someone yak. A debate, game or something > interactive would be great as it would cut the ice. > > If any volunteering is needed, I am available. > > I also kinda like the HBCSE place ... '-) > > quasi > > -- `, Cheers... ,\, # Enjoy !!! |/ ? --------- | ~ )\ Bhushan G. Kelshikar /_ /\ \____ e-mail: bhushan16(a)yahoo.com <mailto:bhushan16@yahoo.com> ~_/ \ url : http://bhushankelshikar.tripod.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

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console browser
by q u a s i 05 Jun '03

05 Jun '03

Folks! Does anyone know of a HTML browser for the console with inline image support that is stabler than links with svgalib? I cannot use framebuffer. NeoMagic chipset does not support it I think. If we have this than the last piece is here. We wont need to use X unless specifically required. q

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Preemptive Kernel patch
by Nikhil Joshi 05 Jun '03

05 Jun '03

Hi! After unsuccessful attempt to build 2.5.70 kernel I applied preemptive kernel patch on 2.4.20 http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/preempt-kernel/v2.4/ The improvement is noticeable. XMMS runs smoothly even when running Mozilla ( yes Mozilla is sort of benchmark for me :) ) I've compiled my soundcard module into the Kernel. Those who cannot wait for preemptive feature but are finding it difficult to make 2.5.70 work should certainly check this out. System Config: Cyrix MII 233 MHz 64 MB RAM CMI 8738 PCI Sound Card bzImage size = 724K -- Nikhil Joshi http://nikhiljoshi.cjb.net

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Problem related to kernel-2.5.70
by Tapeshwar Nath 05 Jun '03

05 Jun '03

Hi all, I am trying to upgarde my kernel from 2.4.18 to 2.5.70. I have downloaded the latest kernel and enabled preemptive nature in it. I have also modified the .config file to suit my needs. I did "make modules " and then "make modules_install". After this "make bzImage" . Everything went fine and i got the image. I copied that image in the /boot directory and modified lilo.conf and ran lilo. While trying to boot into this new kernel i get this message "....... Uncompressing LINUX ok... " and then the machine hangs. Is there anythign special that needs to be done. If i can get any pointers then it will be of great help. Thanks Ciao Tapesh __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] gnome/kde ?
by linuxdev 05 Jun '03

05 Jun '03

I refuse to be drawn into the small "goodies" feature by feature comparison of gnome/kde anymore. simply because one man's food is another guy's poison. Both are equally valid in different environments. >Trust me file chooser is a first year programming >project, but at the same time most used dialog. C >and callback mechanism of event handling in UI is a >stumbling block, and in absence of OO, things >quickly become bad. You answered your own question there. And i add that they do have a nice roadmap in place and almost there. They have managed to a hell of a job without OO. Kudos to the gnome team for working out things. >So you mean you dont care if some corporate biggies >comes and exploits GPL, plays hostile and demeans >OSS projects? AS a glug member I was expecting >something else from you. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance is not on this side of the line, believe me. Your reference to KDE's slowness was an article of the year 2001 with gcc 2.95 in question. and even there the author points out that the faults lie with kde and not gcc. I seriously disagree on the point of RH exploiting GPL. They give you freedom to modify whatever stuff you get from them. So you simply cannot whine. Don't like it then change it or don't use it. But don't blame it for not including your favorite ice-cream with a cherry on top. The "demeaning" theory that you talked about only started floating around when rh modified kde (m'be even stripped it a little) for its 8.1 psyche. for 9.0 they give you the full dosh. >IceWM! IceWM! Its the coolest one. ?? >Using GTK is the biggest mistake done by gaim AND by abiword and by openoffice and by few hundred other perfectly useful other apps. And guess what ? they separated the core and the gui in the latest release of gaim. The plugin architechture has been cleaned up too. :D > pain to minimum. I don't expect to go on a tweaking trip as soon as i > install a desktop. I would like the options sensible enough. Gnome does > that. KDE might, i'll leave that question. >Please justify your claim in Gnome doing any better >than KDE. Gnome simply doesn't do it better than KDE for you because you choose it not to. For me it does :D. The default options of both kde and gnome suck equally for me and am not talking of redhat. both need a good theme set besides really big toolbars, flashy scrollbars, plump buttons etc. Gnome has one in place called Mist while KDE does it with a combination of 2 or three modifications. I forget the names. >My recommended option has been FTP install, but you may not access to a filthy >Net connection as I have ;) I got Mandrake 9.1 CDs too, and would be willing >to share with you, if Sameer lets us, next meeting would be in IITB, and IF >my DDP lets me, I am planning to attend it. Ah yes i do lack the access to the 2mbps(or 4 for iits?) ernet connection. so its still cds for me. I'll try to make it to iitb too. cya, C P.S: I'll keep my next post on filesystems. enough of gnome/kde. its choice and no more no less. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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Meeting on June 8th
by Nagarjuna G. 05 Jun '03

05 Jun '03

Is the meeting planned, venue and agenda. Let me know in advance if HBCSE venue is required. Due to science olympiad camps presently going on at the centre unless I make reservation the lecture room may not be available. We also need volunteers to maintain the keep the informations uptodate. Even if the drafted material is sent to me I will update the site. Will find it difficult to manage writing it myself. We had several workshops and at least two monthly meetings, and the website is not updated. Is there a write up on recent workshop at Hubli. Nagarjuna -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nagarjun at hbcse tifr res in. http://www.gnowledge.org/ I support Public Library of Science http://www.plos.org/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problem related to kernel-2.5.70
by linuxdev 04 Jun '03

04 Jun '03

There could be 3 points where you are having trouble 1. you haven't selected the proper config for yer sys. 2. selected your boot fs as a module 3. not used the latest modutils avlbl. at ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rusty/modules/module-init-tool… There is one very imp. point i happened to note while working with 2.5.x kernels. It picks up the configuration of your current kernel if its lying around in your /boot or in /usr/src/xyz . This creates problems due to introduction of unwanted extraneous symbols and values. So the best way is to touch .config before make xconfig or menuconfig. also please read the readme in the modutils bzball closely else you'll end up messing up ur distro. If you are uncomfortable with the modutils the best way is ofcourse compile nothing as a module. Build-in all possible options and check if it works. hope that helps, C Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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filesystems and a little gnome/kde ;)
by linuxdev 04 Jun '03

04 Jun '03

Alright, here's a mail on my filesystems. But please note its a end-user experience rather than a highly scientific study with stats of any kind. Tho i do provide a link where a server admin from Oregon state did that recently. First and foremost ext2 is a winner for speed because it lacks journalling. So its more or less unfair. Secondly for journalled fs, its slightly dependent on the distro you use since the kernel _may_ be patched for improving the performance on a particular fs. A journal is a sort of double entry to state it crudely. so you don't lose the data even if you crash. It simply reverts to the older copy on disk on next boot. thats faster booting time. Ext2: This is one of the oldies and the fastest fs on the block. But also the most yuckiest in crash recovery. If you have a nice big installation (most of the libs,devel rpms are in place.) you'll have loong startups after crash. Then again if you are low on space ext2 wastes a little more than others since its block allocation is fixed. Ext3: Basically ext2 with a journal. Now by general logic one would think that it ought to be nearly as fast as ext2. But no, ext2 wasn't meant to be a journalling fs so its more like an addon to it. A heavy addon which pulls down its performance. There are options to ext3 journalling : ordered,writeback,journal. of which writeback is fastest since journalling is put off for sometime. Now my experience with this has been a little unhappy on a default rh. i guess its their patches. But moment i recompiled my kernel with rc6-ac2 patch to boot i got a good perf. not as good as reiserfs tho. Reiserfs: This is a fs written from scratch and under heavy development. It uses B+ trees for its structure and consequently packs in more data in smaller space. This option of packing in smaller data into smaller spaces takes a little calculation and hence time. Turn it off by the notail option and you have a fast fs on your hands. Now this fs has a peculiar characteristic. Its fast for small filesizes about 6mb max. beyond this the performance in terms of read/write times degrades a bit.This however is true of current version 3.6 in 4 they claim to have addressed it. Its coming up this month. Its performance in the upcoming 2.5.x kernels is tops. for 2.4.21 the performance goes great with rc6-acX patches. This fs is generally recommended by most. For websites and servers its the best. As for JFS and XFS: JFS is a unique fs in the fact that you can recover data from JFS in case of a really bad crash by mounting it as ext2 ! Its a fs from IBM and is quite under development. Its performance is good but lower than Reiserfs. XFS is best avoided at present because of its unstability. There have been reports of data corruption in case of crashes. This fs comes from SGI and promises superb performance for big file sizes. For small sizes this isn't good enough. Now to give you a little conclusion here's what i say : Since most of the binaries, conf. files on a regular linux systems don't go beyond 10mb reiserfs is a really good option. big files are far and few. Here's a little tasty trick for rh 9.0. while installing rh doesn't present reiserfs in disk druid. So when you boot type "linux reiserfs" instead of pressing enter and disk druid will list it. :D hope that mumbling of mine made sense ! For figures and facts check this out... http://www.net.oregonstate.edu/~kveton/fs/ i'll try to be a little more organized in my next mail, cya, C ------ cut here for some gnome/kde 8>< --------- gnome is doing fine for me. others i dunno. thankyou. I have very good reasons to say that kde is slow even with the latest gcc. Slower than gnome. If there's some special way i could compile kde for faster performance please let me know. And no its not a myth that i am spreading. I could definitely mail the KDE list as you say. Buts thats a little way off track. As they stand now they are slow given their own instructions for compiling and performance improvement. what a distro includes or excludes is the distro's decision. not others, tho it is the distro's responsibility to respond to the users which Redhat does quite well. and if a user doesn't agree he/she is free enough to change it or ditch the distro. > >IceWM! IceWM! Its the coolest one. > ?? >Google! Google! Its the coolest one :-) frankly gnome/gtk works for me and am happy. Others did not after having given them a fair trial on my part. End of discussion. >BTW are you sure Abiword and OO.o are Gnome apps? I never said they were. They use gtk for the "final rendering" as you say and not qt. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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Apache module on OSX
by Satya 04 Jun '03

04 Jun '03

mod_auth_any works on Linux but not on OSX. apxs i -c, and then apachectl: Syntax error on line 271 of /etc/httpd/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/libexec/httpd/mod_auth_any.so into server: (reason unknown) Any ideas? Line 271 is: LoadModule auth_any_module /usr/libexec/httpd/mod_auth_any.so Relevant screen dumps: [root]~/mod_auth_any/src# uname -a Darwin macserver 6.6 Darwin Kernel Version 6.6: Thu May 1 21:48:54 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.34.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc [root]~/mod_auth_any/src# httpd -l Compiled-in modules: http_core.c mod_so.c suexec: disabled; invalid wrapper /usr/sbin/suexec [root]~/mod_auth_any/src# httpd -v Server version: Apache/1.3.27 (Darwin) Server built: 01/15/03 19:22:17 [root]~/mod_auth_any/src# httpd -V Server version: Apache/1.3.27 (Darwin) Server built: 01/15/03 19:22:17 Server's Module Magic Number: 19990320:13 Server compiled with.... -D EAPI -D HAVE_MMAP -D USE_MMAP_SCOREBOARD -D USE_MMAP_FILES -D HAVE_FCNTL_SERIALIZED_ACCEPT -D HAVE_FLOCK_SERIALIZED_ACCEPT -D SINGLE_LISTEN_UNSERIALIZED_ACCEPT -D HARD_SERVER_LIMIT=2048 -D HTTPD_ROOT="/usr" -D SUEXEC_BIN="/usr/sbin/suexec" -D DEFAULT_PIDLOG="/var/run/httpd.pid" -D DEFAULT_SCOREBOARD="/var/run/httpd.scoreboard" -D DEFAULT_LOCKFILE="/var/run/httpd.lock" -D DEFAULT_ERRORLOG="/var/log/httpd/error_log" -D TYPES_CONFIG_FILE="/etc/httpd/mime.types" -D SERVER_CONFIG_FILE="/etc/httpd/httpd.conf" -D ACCESS_CONFIG_FILE="/etc/httpd/access.conf" -D RESOURCE_CONFIG_FILE="/etc/httpd/srm.conf" And google is very unhelpful. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> 'Press to test.' <click> 'Release to detonate.'

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anybody home?
by Amit Upadhyay 04 Jun '03

04 Jun '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hi, am new to this list, but am disappointed to see lack of traffic here.. anyone listening, lets revive it if its possible.. i am running single boot linux on my PC since about two and a half years, and am a great fan of Mandrake distribution. i came across http://dot.kde.org/1053201681/ -> "KDE/Qt Gain Increased Support for Indic Languages", and the screenshots look good. - -- Amit Upadhyay Senior Undergraduate Student Department of Mechanical Engg. Indian Institute of Technology Bombay Mumbai-76, India Phone: (91) 9820325940 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+2864B9EzZHCJyNkRAu52AJ43VtRKf1cPYOe+cAoCxhbHUYNHnQCeMbiR 2Y87AktphQ81AEdfDmWIpSo= =7e4Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] gnome/kde ?
by linuxdev 04 Jun '03

04 Jun '03

hey there, surprise ! kde is nice stable and quite complete on redhat 9.0. What is the statement "kde rpms are privately created" supposed to mean ?! They are available with the official distribution. And as for the argument of "more official". Its not the aim of the site you mentioned. They mean it to be a site for the *latest* kde rpms for those who can't deal with sources. Agreed rh is slow in releasing but that's applicable to even gnome packages! And remote networking, ssh capabilities of a file manager is not exactly a regular guy's dream. I don't envision any normal user going ga-ga over remote editing in a file dialog box given that 80% of the users would save on an internet bill. And regarding your lament of a relatively featureless gnome open file dialog box, its going to be true only till 2.3 after the development plan is shifting aggresively to adding features to widgets. For 2.4 they are specifically addressing the needs of a more powerful dialog box. And frankly if kde developers hate me for using redhat i don't give a damn. Hey rh is times better for any serious developing work/ enterprise env. Besides i recompile most of my packages for p4 for which currently no binary distro is optimized for, by default. So there's no question of missing candy. then again, number of releases *along* with the introduction of new features is something to be reckoned with. Try mailing the nautilus dev list for a feature and you'll probably find it implemented in the next release. Thats what they want right now. feedback. And unless you give them that there's no chance of your favorite gizmo turning up in it. >Its more a c++ "feature" than KDE's. KDE is well >aware of this thing yet there >is little short of improving gcc that can be done >about it. blaming bad implementations on gcc is really uncool. KDE is slow. the developers know it. That they are working on it is a good sign. something that would make me consider KDE in the future. > again memory usage: on rh 9.0 with gnome the usage on immediate startup is > 128 mb. for kde ? 213 mb. eh ? A quick look at system-monitor will tell you > all the story. and my suggestion use gnome-monitor. >Frankly I dont care, I mean I can play DivX movies >while simultaneously downloading them and having 3 >connections on my FTP server downloading from me at >near top speed with KDE running in all its glory, >and I have only 128MB RAM. Stats are for staticians. And for developers. well i do care about free RAM. coz compiling needs plenty of it. thats top priority for me :D besides watching divx movies and file sharing and editing web pages. Ever faced disk thrashing ? On a sidenews : there's this file sharing client out there mldonkey - works for quite a lot of filesharing n/w gnutella, edonkey, fasttrack (yeah!), bittorrent, directconnect. its really good and fast, check it out. And they use gtk :P And of good reasons of gtk over qt ? m'be you could ask the developers of evolution, gaim, mldonkey, mplayer gui, xmms, gnucash. and many more perfectly useful software that you could shake your stick at. >Anything that is GPL gives equal level of powers to >modify it At what level is the question. I don't expect most users to go patch my software to get it looking the way they want it to. gtk tries to keep the pain to minimum. I don't expect to go on a tweaking trip as soon as i install a desktop. I would like the options sensible enough. Gnome does that. KDE might, i'll leave that question. I may give the newer mandrake a whirl as soon as i get hold of a set. (can you help me there?) Indeed if you have used mozilla firebird you wouldn't say konqueror is better. The only complaint of long startup times for mozilla is being actively worked on will be taken care of in few months. Simple reason: they are moving away from XUL to platform dependent gui. Atleast for the framework. Now what exactly are you missing in gnome toolbar is beyond me. regards, C Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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gnome/kde ?
by linuxdev 04 Jun '03

04 Jun '03

hi, Just as you said its shifting from the platform to the realm of distribution, i can very well state that your experience of KDE is distribution dependent. And well talking of my distro its RH 9.0 with a nice stable complete gnome/kde distribution. If you wanted screenshots I could send you plenty. But well the question comes of posting them. I don't really like the idea of posting them on a list. And about there's lot more going on in KDE is quite not the case. If you checked the release schedules of gnome and all the gtk based software i'd say gnome is far more active ;) Both the desktops have been releasing neck to neck. As far as memory usage, startup times is concerned i can say a trifle unscientifically that gnome starts about 5-6 seconds faster than kde. Then again memory usage: on rh 9.0 with gnome the usage on immediate startup is 128 mb. for kde ? 213 mb. eh ? A quick look at system-monitor will tell you all the story. and my suggestion use gnome-monitor. i don't think its right to call the decision of selecting gtk over kde for programming as legacy. Even the latest and the finest software that turns out today on freshmeat.net is gtk based. While there is a wide difference in the philosophies of these two toolkits both have very stable and viable reasoning behind them. On a general principle developers prefer gtk for its "lightness" and simplicity with enough power to modify it. The visual clutter that i referred to is not due to bad distro. I wouldn't go so far as to call debian-sid,rh9.0,knoppix3.2 as bad distros. The visual distraction is what the gnome developers trying to fight. Agreed there are many sharp edges to gtk but they are rapidly being addressed by the developers. That is what exactly the lead developer for gnome recently gave a call for. What software you prefer is matter of personal taste. I prefer mozilla for my surfing and mail. I dislike konquerer for too many reasons that i do not care to list here for the sake of sanity. There are far too many non-default softwares that work n-times better than the default softies of kde or gnome. And if you are talking of startup times etc. gnome beats the pants off kde anytime. U definitely don't need me to give quanitative comparisons for that ? I don't know what customization you are talking of but its equally easy to customize a gnome toolbar/desktop ! Its all a matter of personal taste,familiarity and as far as mine goes i love speed, neatness and min. of visual clutter. gnome fits the bill. I was a lover of kde till rh 8.1(psyche) until rh 9.0 came along. Its no going back now for me. The choice is yours buddy, thats what linux about ~! later, C Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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Mr. Kalam Thrashes Proprietary Software
by Pranav Joshi 04 Jun '03

04 Jun '03

"The most unfortunate thing is that India still seems to believe in proprietary solutions," President Kalam. Read the whole article to know what our president has to say about Free/Prop software. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/30991.html Pranav ===== I bless your computer, my child! ------------------------- Saint IGNUcius. ------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Indic fonts
by linuxdev 04 Jun '03

04 Jun '03

my opinion about the pathetic indic support in software in general is lack of gov. initiative in this regard. Sorry if i sound whiny here :D In China they made it a gov. agenda to get the lang. on to softwares. They dared microsoft to enter without chinese language support. As of today they have put all the top univs, softw. companies in china to work on complete chinese version of linux - red flag. I am really waiting for that to happen here. Just one or two developers can't do this. Its lot of work and requires a lot of resources and brains. Agreedly as jt says its dependent on market size too. But thats only the initiative for software business wanting to setup a shop. Gov. should definitely have more reasons to do it besides market ? Also if we have one nice uniform api /platform in place businesses would find it easier to adapt their software for it ? This is being worked on in iits AFAIK, i dunno the name of the project but i did read bout it sometime back on an iit page. later, C Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Indic fonts
by linuxdev 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

Hi everybody, Doesn't the argument of display of fonts seem to be fading with the major work load having shifted to xft in X ?? All the same it makes me wonder why chinese is first supported as international language these days by any software. Devnagri doesn't figure anywhere most of the times. Despite the fact that mandarin script is quite difficult in structure than the devnagri. Some developer of X back then pointed out that it was due to lack of standard in implementation of fonts. There are n things to making fonts and there is a lack of standards for that in indian fonts was the gist. And now talking of GTK vs Qt (again why should it be vs is something that beats me !) i always look at the memory usage and relevance of features. I dunno who made that comment -> "KDE values quality over features" ... but thats actually a characteristic of gtk and not kde/Qt. They actually try to get things neat, secure, clean than kde where the user is first confronted with soo many features to tweak that he/she wishes their original platform were better. Talking of quality i consider memory usage to be one aspect of it too. GTK simply shines there. KDE/Qt has tons of work to do in that section. GTK as it stands now is no way perfect but a viable and an extremely efficient platform for anyone who hates visual clutter (read as eye candy). I haven't tested the upcoming 2.4 gnome but as far as the aims goes they have a surefire winner. There are many points which could be debated as to where GTK shines and where it does not. But as far as application development goes gtk is a preferred choice by most of the apps in linux for gui. i couldn't help popping in when someone simply fires off against gnome or kde without giving it a thought. ;) my next post was supposed to be on my experiences wit h the various filesystems in linux. oh well nevermind. it'll be the next. C Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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Events / Sessions for exhibition
by MagNet WebPublishing Pvt. Ltd. 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

Hi All, We have taken a stall at an upcoming exhibition in Mumbai - 13 to 15 June. As we will be promoting GNU/Linux & related services, we were thinking that we could invite some partners - either on a commercial basis or otherwise. I have got a confirmation from the organizers and they are ready to provide the infrastructure to carry out some presentations as well. We are happy that IndLinux will be there with us on Saturday. We are looking for 2 more projects/organizations we could bring in. If it is a commercial venture, we could work out commercials, and if it is non-profit, we can give the space free. I was thinking if ilug-bom or anybody else wanted to join. Any volunteers for presentations are also welcome. Though the presentations may not be high-profile, we can spread a word about it. Your thoughts / comments / ideas welcome! Regards, Nirav. ====================================================== | MLEP - Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP education program | | http://www.mlep.com/ | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | tangible, customized solutions for your e-business | | http://www.magnet-i.com/ | ======================================================

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] hands on workshops for bombayites............NY TAKERS???
by joel_divekar 03 Jun '03

03 Jun '03

Hi Guys That would be great. Please count me in. Regards Joel "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" wrote: Hey Luggers!!!! Do we have any takers for the same. Its time for some action and all of us would be glad to have as many as possible on board. Lets start with a small Open Event for Enterprises-Indivizuals and then migrate from there. Trevor On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 09:55, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 07:49:56AM +0530, Trevor Warren wrote: > > > Its been a really long time since we did some real open workshops for > > bombayites. > > > > What say???. Am all for getting this on the road. > > Count me in! > > Sameer. -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ trevor(a)clovertechnologies.com __ /~\ | \) / Pre Sales Consultant - Red Hat \ (/ | |_|_ \ 9820349221(M) | 22881326(O) / _|_| \___________________________________/ -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now !

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[COMMERCIAL] Training in Qt
by Aseem Rane 02 Jun '03

02 Jun '03

Hi friends, Does any institution/individual offers formal training on Qt (3.1.2) in Mumbai. I am looking for a ~3 days fulltime workshop. I am interested in * Qt Signal/Slots Mechanism * Having Qt and Motif widgets in the same form interacting with each other. * Internationalization * Building custom widgets/plugins * Drag-Drop functionality (Different Mime Types) * Qt designer * Debugging etc.... Apart Qt Referance Documentation, Is there any other material/books which are recomended for serious development in Qt? Regards Aseem -- Aseem Rane Sr. Software Engineer, L&T Infotech Ltd. Powai.

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Events / Sessions for exhibition
by MagNet WebPublishing Pvt. Ltd. 02 Jun '03

02 Jun '03

Hi All, We have taken a stall at an upcoming exhibition in Mumbai - 13 to 15 June. As we will be promoting GNU/Linux & related services, we were thinking that we could invite some partners - either on a commercial basis or otherwise. I have got a confirmation from the organizers and they are ready to provide the infrastructure to carry out some presentations as well. We are happy that IndLinux will be there with us on Saturday. We are looking for 2 more projects/organizations we could bring in. If it is a commercial venture, we could work out commercials, and if it is non-profit, we can give the space free. I was thinking if ilug-bom or anybody else wanted to join. Any volunteers for presentations are also welcome. Though the presentations may not be high-profile, we can spread a word about it. Your thoughts / comments / ideas welcome! Regards, Nirav. ====================================================== | MLEP - Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP education program | | http://www.mlep.com/ | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | tangible, customized solutions for your e-business | | http://www.magnet-i.com/ | ======================================================

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Events / Sessions for exhibition
by MagNet WebPublishing Pvt. Ltd. 02 Jun '03

02 Jun '03

Hi All, We have taken a stall at an upcoming exhibition in Mumbai - 13 to 15 June. As we will be promoting GNU/Linux & related services, we were thinking that we could invite some partners - either on a commercial basis or otherwise. I have got a confirmation from the organizers and they are ready to provide the infrastructure to carry out some presentations as well. We are happy that IndLinux will be there with us on Saturday. We are looking for 2 more projects/organizations we could bring in. If it is a commercial venture, we could work out commercials, and if it is non-profit, we can give the space free. I was thinking if ilug-bom or anybody else wanted to join. Any volunteers for presentations are also welcome. Though the presentations may not be high-profile, we can spread a word about it. Your thoughts / comments / ideas welcome! Regards, Nirav. ====================================================== | MLEP - Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP education program | | http://www.mlep.com/ | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | tangible, customized solutions for your e-business | | http://www.magnet-i.com/ | ======================================================

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Kernel 2.5.70 problems
by Nikhil Joshi 01 Jun '03

01 Jun '03

Hi! I got curious after reading linuxdev's mail regarding kernel 2.5.70 and installed it. I followed the ususal procedure. However my mouse is not working now. I've compiled the support for mouse into the kernel itself: CONFIG_MOUSE_SERIAL=y gpm gives message: /dev/mouse: Connection refused (where /dev/mouse is symlink to /dev/cua0. This works on my 2.4 kernel) I've also compiled modules for my sound card, which also doesnt work. #lsmod gives blank output. I've updated modutils to the latest version (0.9.12) Is this the result of beta version of kernel or have i missed something? Please guide. -- Nikhil Joshi http://nikhiljoshi.cjb.net

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[para-OT ;)] Need Debian "Sid"
by nemo＠phoenixsoftech.com 01 Jun '03

01 Jun '03

Hi all, I would like to know where I can get Debian "Sid" unstable CDs. If anyone in Mumbai has them I will pay for the copies. Nemo

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