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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] %

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:06:54 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ign

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta@

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picnic for the luggerz
by Gurpreet Singh 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

hi luggerz plzzzzzz no not december... am feeling so miserable bout missing the LUG meetiung in nov, now i dont wanna miss the picnic too. put that somewhere in jan or maybe after 22nd dec and before 25th. woops that was too specific. plzzzzzzzz people i dont wanna miss this one :) gurpreet

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Linux - The Movie
by Bhargav Bhatt 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Luggerz, There is an excellent documentary on Linux, available for free download on ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/video/The_Code-Linux.avi While some of it is in European Languages other than English, most of it is in English. It features extended interiviews with RMS, Linus, Raymond etc. There is also a 2-3 minute section where Linus talks about Linux and India. All in all, an excellent view, if u have the bandwidth(600MB). Cheers, -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mandrake9.0 problems
by Amol Hatwar 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Which lappy do you use?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mandrake9.0 problems
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

did you go through the hardware compataibility list on Mandrake's website? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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MS Proposes Disclosing Windows Source To India
by Bhargav Bhatt 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Wow fellows! It seems that Microsoft really wants India. As the Economic Times article, http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/default? (linked from Slashdot) points out, they are going to disclose code of Windows to a certain goverment body. According to some, this could be fatal to the rise of Linux. However, I dont think so. The secret of the astronomic rise of Linux, IMO, lies in the free spirit it fosters among developers which enables each and everyone of them to make meaningul contributions to the code (surely M$ wont allow that). This helps retain the zeal among the developers which also explains why the relatively fewer bugs OSS get patched relatively quickly. Anyways, I am rambling OT. I am anxious to hear what you guys think about it. Will the FSF-India write another letter to the govt? -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous.

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Fw: Update on Linux Lunacy trip...30PPl in.
by Trevor Warren 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello All, Thx for the support you have given us in registering for the event. The trip is as scheduled on 22dn Sunday, to arnala. The Speakers...pls plan out your talks in advance. Most of these will be discussions cum talks, just to make the whole event a very unformal one. Bye for now. Lemme know for any intended last minute entries. http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/lunacy.php Trevor -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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Fwd: Agenda for the LUG meet
by Amish Munshi 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

I would like to have an arrangement where we can show the installation of Debian or gentoo (if time permits), and a lecture on using emacs. Anyone who can do this? ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Agenda for the LUG meet Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:28:30 +0530 From: "Kapil Karekar" <kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net> To: <mails(a)munshi.dyndns.org> Hi Amish ! Could you send me the agenda for the LUG meet. I can then put it up on the ILUG-BOM site. Cheers Kapil Karekar -------------------------------------------------------

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Xqueeze - a compact and fast alternative to XML
by Kapil Karekar 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Congrats Tahir, for the first release of Xqueeze ! Xqueeze is a compact and fast alternative to XML for applications where human-readability of XML is not a requirement. The objectives of Xqueeze are: o Minimization of space consumed by markup o Compatibility with XML design, development and deployment cycles o Fast Parsing o Minimum/no loss of generality afforded by XML Developers: Tahir Hashmi, Swapnil Shrivastava, Soarabh Madan Details regarding Xqueeze can be found on the Xqueeze homepage at http://xqueeze.sourceforge.net. You might like to read the pages "The Concept", "Feature Details" and "Specifications" in that order. Tahir is giving a talk about Xqueeze on 13 Dec, 2002 at 16:00 hrs in the Lecture Theatre (NCST Juhu). Regards Kapil Karekar

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Whats keeping you on windows? [slashdot.org]
by Bhargav Bhatt 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Guys, A Huge slashdot article/poll on the factors that deter users from switching over to *NIX completely. I was not going to submit this initially, but this is 10th largest article on Slashdot on its very first day and is rising. Definitely worth read/comment if u have the time. http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/13/2127227&mode=thread&tid=109 Statutory Warning: Page is Huge. May take a while to load. -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous.

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FSF(I) statement on Microsoft's "investments" in India
by Frederick Noronha 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Free Software Foundation of India Press Release Apropos Microsoft's "investments" in India Thursday, November 14, 2002 The Free Software Foundation of India would like to bring to the attention of the Government and the general public the negative implications of the "investments" pledged by the Microsoft Chairman, Bill Gates, during his present visit to India. At the outset, it needs to be made very clear that the proposed investments have no motive other than the motive of profit and nobody should be under the illusion that these "investments" are being made for the betterment of society or for the development of India. On the contrary, the type of software developed and sold by Microsoft, proprietary software, -- software which is supplied without its underlying source code and without the freedoms to study, modify and redistribute it -- constrains indigenous development and divides society. Of particular concern is the Microsoft Chairman's pledge of money to `Project Shiksha' aimed at educating 35 lakh children, tied to the condition that the Project will purchase and use licensed Microsoft software! Mr. Gates magnanimously declared that "In education, we have very low pricing. For big education projects, we will have larger donations so that the cost of software is lower." However, this is not a question of initial software cost. Microsoft would benefit tremendously from such a project even if it were to supply it's software free of cost as long as it is Microsoft software. That is because the children and teachers would learn (or shall we say "indoctrinated") to use only Microsoft software, allowing the company to maintain it's monopolistic stranglehold in education and beyond. This is akin to an MBBS course teaching potential doctors how to use medicines manufactured only by one particular pharmaceutical company! Besides the obvious issue of monopoly, there is another far more fundamental concern, that of software freedom. As pointed out earlier, Microsoft software is proprietary -- it is supplied without it's underlying source code under a restrictive license which denies its users the freedoms to study, modify and redistribute the software. Which means that the students and teachers of `Project Shiksha' will not have the option of "looking under the hood" to see how the software works. If they find problems with the software or if they wish to customize it, they will not have the means or the right to make such corrections or modifications, either by themselves or by engaging a third party. They will have to depend solely on Microsoft to provide such corrections or modifications. They will be denied the right to share the software with others outside the purview of the project premises, leading young and impressionable minds to believe that sharing is wrong! The People and the Government of India should reject outright any grant or investment which is tied to such restrictive conditions whose sole aim is to perpetuate a monopoly and make a nation's software infrastructure so hopelessly dependent on one corporation. The Government should set up an expert committee to look into the above implications and seriously consider formulating an IT and education policy based on Free/Swatantra Software. Swatantra Software gives the users all the rights and freedoms denied by proprietary software. It enables and encourages collaborative development independent of any corporate entity thereby guaranteeing the freedom and independence of its users. It facilitates devising local solutions to local problems independently of the software's supplier. It gives the users the means and right to study how the software works and, as software educationists know, the best way to learn to write good software is by studying other peoples' work. It allows the software to be shared, both "as is" as well as in modified forms, in keeping with the ethical tradition of the free flow of knowledge. An example of Free/Swatantra Software is the GNU/Linux operating system which is in widespread use especially in the enterprise, in government departments and in academic institutions around the world. The country-wide SchoolNet program of Namibia, for instance, uses GNU/Linux. Other countries like Peru are in the process of mandating or legislating the use of free software such as GNU/Linux to ensure their independence. References: Peru: [1]Peruvian Congressman's Open Letter to Microsoft [2]An Interview with Peruvian Congressman Villanueva Namibia: [3]SchoolNet rebuffs Microsoft About FSF India The Free Software Foundation Of India is a non-profit organisation committed to advocating, promoting and propagating the use and development of swatantra software in India. Our goal is to ensure the long term adoption of free software, and aim for the day when all software will be free (swatantra). This includes educating people about software freedom and convincing them that it is the freedom that matters. We regard non-free proprietary software as a problem to be solved, not as a solution to any problem. _________________________________________________________________ Back to: FSF India's [4]press page. FSF India's [5]home page. References 1. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-05-06-012-26-OS-SM-LL 2. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-05-20-006-26-IN-LF-PB 3. http://www.schoolnet.na/pr/msftrelease.html 4. http://www.gnu.org.in/press/press.html 5. http://www.gnu.org.in/press/../

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test message
by sameer shinde 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi This is a test message. Just to check whether I can receive the emails from the mailing list or not bcoz, since last 2 days I'm unable to receive any mail from the mailing list. Thanks, SAMEER :)

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Plans to start-up PC User Meets in Goa...can we do this too
by Trevor Warren 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello Luggers..... Can we have regular Activites planned on the following lines...??? Pls read on....... Bye for now. Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:47:45 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha <fred(a)bytesforall.org> To: ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: [ilug-goa] [GOA-GENERAL] Plans to start-up PC User Meets in Goa Not directly GNU/Linux-related, but hoping this would see our members' participation in strength. FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hi All, The CSI Goa Chapter, plans to start-up PC User Meets, for users of PCs (Office users, professionals using PCs, Home users, student users, etc.). These (open to everyone) meets are planned to help PC Users get more out of their PCs by way of productivity and overall usage and awareness. We plan to have these meets on the second Saturday of every month, from 4 to 6 PM so that they're convenient for all sections of PC users. The meets will be "open to all" for no charge and are proposed be held at the CSI office in Panjim (and maybe sometime alternatively in Margao too -- if there's demand for it there). The plan for the meet is a short talk (30 min) by an advanced PC User on some of the tools/technologies and tips-n-tricks with normal usage PC Software. This will be followed by a usual informal question-answer and discussion session. We plan to take requests from attendees for topics and schedule and cover these topics, as part of the CSI Goa Chapter activities in the areas of de-mystifying and e-nabling better PC usage. It's proposed to start-off with a session this Second Saturday (14th Dec 2002 4 PM to 6 PM), where one of our members has offered to take a session on Email. Suggestions for future sessions will also be accepted. I'm sending you this email, as I need your ideas/suggestions on the same. If you're a PC user that would like some special sessions taken, let us know. If you're an advanced PC User that thinks you "have something to share" with the rest of Goa's PC users, write-in... Or even if you "just have some ideas/suggestions you think may be useful", email us. You can email us at <office(a)csi-goa.org>. Keep in touch. Regards, Ricky Noronha Online -- Goa (For CSI Goa Chapter, Activities Committee - 2002). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get 128 Bit SSL Encryption! http://us.click.yahoo.com/CBxunD/vN2EAA/xGHJAA/0XFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To Post a message, send it to: ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: ilug-goa-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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[OT] domain query
by Amol Hatwar 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi, Does anyone know of a good domain registrar who gives me all the controls? Thanks, -ah

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Coool News For linux lovers
by Aswin Bhupalam 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi e-body!! This is my first mail to the group. Hope u'll enjoy the following news. Thanks, #win *Kewl news for linux lovers:* For detailed News Visit: http://www.msnbc.com/news/845822.asp?cp1=1 Worth reading !! esp if u r anti M$ --carries---------------- Will Microsoft ever support Linux? Analysts sketch near-future scenario; software giant scoffs By Joe Wilcox Dec. 10 - The growing popularity of Linux will force Microsoft to bring its software to the Unix clone starting in late 2004, a research firm predicted Monday in a study that Microsoft promptly disputed.

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[OT] M$ to Share WinDOZE src with GOI
by Natarajan V 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi, Catch the Front Page main headlines in Today's Economic Times. Cheers Natarajan http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/comp/articleshow?artid=3110… <snip> MS to share Windows code with India PRAGATI VERMA TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2002 02:31:31 AM ] Microsoft is virtually doing the unthinkable in India it is planning to share the Windows source code. Not with one and all, as Linux does, but with a specific government body which, in turn, will share it with others for the purposes of e-governance and education. </snip>

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How to determine "clock cycle" usage
by Rahul Saxena 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi there, How do i find out how many clock cycles ( basically how much time, in seconds the processor is actually spending on a piece of code ) the processor is using. i have used clock() at a few place both in linux and dos, how does i change this to true time.. in seconds. Normally CLOCK_TICKS_CONSTANT or somthing is fixed to 1e6. how is this related to the processor clock speed Whats the significance. Pls tell me if there are any documentation on all this, besides the man pages. -regards rahul

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thanx 4 the permissions answer
by Pradnyesh Sawant 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello, thank u 4 the ans 4 changing the access permissions 4 the windows partition. i tried the foll line, which did not work /dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user,uid=3d500 0 0 (since 500 was the uid i wanted 2 give the permissions 2) so i tried the foll line & it worked /dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user,uid=500 0 0 i did not try /dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,umask=3d0 0 0 as i felt it was not right 2 give all rights 2 all users thanx 4 all the help i hope u all will also help me with my next queries: 1. i have an epson 480 color stylus printer, which has support in rhl 7.3. the docs (/usr/share/doc/ghostscript-6.52/Devices.htm) specifies that my printer can give the foll resolutions: Xdpi=180,360,720 & Ydpi=90,180,360,720. but i don't know how 2 use these resolutions. plz tell me some place where i can learn about the "gs" command mentioned in the above mentioned doc. also i didn't understand the "YourFile.ps" part. can somebody plz hlp me out? THANX! 2. how can i see the status of the ink remaining in my cartridges? also how do i replace the cartridge when it is empty? 3. when i tried taking some print-outs using gimp, i got them in the default res. if the image is color then the print-out gets messed up, whereas if i specify a b&w print-out, then the image is printed using both color & b&w inks. how do i specify if i want 2 use only b&w ink? thanx a lot in advance! -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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DHCP client-identifier option
by Sachin Rase 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

i want to configure client classing with client-identifier option pls provide me help with this options. i don't want to use MAC address. I have win98 clients as well as win2000. Pls tell me how can i configure these clients to send client-identifier -- Regards ----------- Sachin Rase MediaIBC 26178979 ----------

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when and where is the meeting
by Linux Group 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello, I was not in contact so can anyone tell me abt the Linux meeting and where ??? Thanx

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NEWS-BANGALORE: Big Blue counters Gates' offer for Indian software
by Frederick Noronha 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Big Blue counters Gates' offer for Indian software By Imran Qureshi, Indo-Asian News Service Bangalore, Dec 12 (IANS) After Microsoft chairman Bill Gates' lavish offerings for health, education and proprietary software, his company's biggest competitor IBM has offered to transform India into a software industry hub if it adopts the open source standard. The world's second largest software company that is also known as the Big Blue is offering to build "enablement centres" for India to shift from being a mere software services powerhouse to a full-fledged software industry hub. "We are willing to invest heavily in the enablement centres based on what decision the government takes. It should standardise on open source and we will create centres for the software industry to flourish," Amuj Goyal, vice president, solutions and strategy, IBM software group, told IANS. "Innovation on the Microsoft platform has moved out. VCs (venture capitalists) are not investing any more on the MSN platform. Gates' visit was only to carry the message of proprietary software that will not benefit the customers," he said. Goyal, the highest ranking Indian in IBM worldwide, has helped drive the growth of the hardware leader's foray into the software business and made it a $13 billion group in just seven years, displacing Oracle from the position of the world's number two software company. "IBM was on proprietary technology in the early 1990s. We could not see outside that. We were trying to look after ourselves, not the customers, until we started the software business in 1995. Today Microsoft is on the wrong side," said Goyal, an alumni of the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Kanpur. "We will put up enablement centres (like e-governance or e-business centres) for software centres. Our strategy is different. Customers need to have control and that can come only through open standards. Microsoft's strategy is to get in their proprietary technology. That's a big trap," he added. "Today you can use database from IBM or any other vendor on open standard. The reason why customers like us is because our systems are robust and scalable and for support services. If you are caught in the proprietary trap, the software business cannot be built. Those are hooks and lures he (Gates) is investing in. Customers don't want that," Goyal said. He quoted examples of the governments of Britain, Germany and Singapore that have adopted open source standards. "India does not have a software business. We want to build the future SAP or a BEA in India by focusing on open standards." IBM is leveraging India not only for its "tremendous skills in software and services" but also because it sees the country as an important market. It has set up five software research and development centres and a solution partnership centre in India. The company has committed $100 million until 2003 for the India software laboratory in Bangalore, which is being scaled up from a headcount of 500 to about 600. "But the skills in India can be applied far beyond the Indian market, primarily the English-speaking countries in the Asia-Pacific unlike China or Japan, which are country-focussed labs," Goyal said. So, was the shift in focus from hardware to software during the downturn coincidental? "No, it was not coincidental. We have been on this strategy for the last 10 years. We have recorded growth for 21 consecutive quarters," Goyal said. The software group drives about 30 percent of IBM's profits. It is the largest supplier of Internet infrastructure software, called middleware, which accounts for about 80 percent of IBM's software revenue of over $10 billion. "We are young -- just seven years old -- and growing, and we will continue to grow. Given the current economic situation, if an opportunity exists, we will go in for acquisition, as we did with Rational Software (the world's leading supplier of software tools for $2.1 billion). It makes sense because it is open standard. We have completed seven acquisitions in 18 months." --Indo-Asian News Service

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linux lunacy 22 dec "yes" or "no"??
by Gurpreet Singh 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

hello luggers could someone plz tell me.... IS LINUX LUNACY SCHEDULED FOR 22 DEC STILL A PLAN OR HAS IT BEEN SCRAPPED. There is not talk abt the same on list thus have this doubt. could someone plz update us on what is the plan?? what talks?? what timings?? waiting... Gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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(no subject)
by slash_axl_rose_upen 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi Guys & Gals (do we have any?), There has been mention that we should do something for Christmas as a team, especially since we have grown so much since our conception a few of months ago. I'm just sitting here thinking and off the top of my hear, how does this sound? On a saturday (perhaps the 28th of Dec although reply and discuss) we have a bit of a get together during the day where we do general linuxy geeky type things, sit around and chew over issues. There is a possibility I can get my place set up with a couple of tables for some PC's etc and we have a nice patio for sitting outside if the geekiness call for it. After that, we head into town say about 7pm and go to some kind of resteraunt, possibly a curry or thai or whatever people can handle (I know what you're gonna shout out, Mark!). But, how many people are going away for the holidays? What dates would suit? How about as early as this weekend coming (14/15)?. Reply and let us all know. Cheers! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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The OpenCD : Free/Libre and Open Source Software for Windows
by Frederick Noronha 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From henrik(a)theopencd.org Wed Dec 11 22:40:25 2002 Hello, My name is Henrik Nilsen Omma, and I am one of the project leaders of a new Open Source Project called TheOpenCD. Our aim is to create a simple to use CD distribution of Open Source software for Windows, and in that way spread the OSS message. I'm writing to various LUGs to announce the launch of our first edition, and hope that you might find it a useful tool in promoting Linux and OSS to a wider public. The disc allows new users can try out Open Source software (OSS) in the comfort of their own, familiar operating system, rather than having to take the drastic step of reformatting their hard drive to install Linux or BSD. The collection, which includes OpenOffice.org, AbiWord and Beonex is primarily intended for non-technical computer users. However, we expect that the disc will appeal first to experienced OSS users, who will hopefully find it a useful vehicle by which to introduce OSS to their less computer-savvy friends. We invite all OSS enthusiasts to download the ISO, burn CDs and distribute them widely to friends, local schools, universities, and companies. We further encourage you all to stop by our to comment, discuss and contribute! http://www.theopencd.org/ Best wishes, Henrik Nilsen Omma & TheOpenCD Team -- Henrik Nilsen Omma Theoretical Physics, Oxford 35 Frenchay Road 1 Keble Road Oxford OX2 6TG Oxford OX1 3NP h.omma(a)btinternet.com henrik(a)thphys.ox.ac.uk

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Karnataka & M$
by Amol Hatwar 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

http://rediff.com/money/2002/nov/13gates.htm This is about Govt. of Karnataka and M$ signing an MoU for a portal called Bangalore One. Shit happens! Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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[Fsf-press] Press Release from FSF India
by Nagarjuna G. 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Press Release from Free Software Foundation of India Free Software Foundation of India --------------------------------- Press release: Friday, November 15, 2002 The Free Software Foundation of India would like to bring to the attention of the Government and the general public the negative implications of the "investment pledges" made by the Microsoft Chairman, Bill Gates, during his present visit to India. At the outset, it needs to be made very clear that the proposed investments have no motive other than the motive of profit and nobody should be under the illusion that these "investments" are being made for the betterment of society or for the development of India. On the contrary, the type of software developed and sold by Microsoft, proprietary software, -- software which is supplied without its underlying source code and without the freedoms to study, modify and redistribute it -- constrains indigenous development and divides society. Of particular concern is the Microsoft Chairman's pledge of money to `Project Shiksha' aimed at educating 35 lakh children, tied to the condition that the Project will purchase and use licensed Microsoft software! Mr. Gates magnanimously declared that "In education, we have very low pricing. For big education projects, we will have larger donations so that the cost of software is lower." However, this is not a question of initial software cost. Microsoft would benefit tremendously from such a project even if it were to supply its software free of cost as long as it is Microsoft software. That is because the children and teachers would learn (or shall we say "indoctrinated") to use only Microsoft software, allowing the company to maintain its monopolistic stranglehold in education and beyond. This is akin to an MBBS course teaching potential doctors how to use medicines manufactured only by one particular pharmaceutical company! To quote Richard Stallman, President of the Free Software Foundation: "This `gift' is no act of generosity. Giving Microsoft software to school children is like giving them cigarettes: it is a way to get them hooked, so that once they grow up they will be a captive market for Microsoft." Thus, Microsoft is not "investing" in Indian Education but in its own future captive market. Besides the obvious issue of monopoly, there is another far more fundamental concern, that of software freedom. As pointed out earlier, Microsoft software is proprietary -- it is supplied without its underlying source code under a restrictive license which denies its users the freedoms to study, modify and redistribute the software. Which means that the students and teachers of `Project Shiksha' will not have the means or the right to study how the software works or to change it -- studying and changing the software one uses is one of the best ways to learn programming. If they find problems with the software, they will not have the means or the right to make required corrections, either by themselves or by engaging a third party. They will have to depend solely on Microsoft to provide such corrections. They will be denied the right to share the software with others outside the purview of the project premises, leading young and impressionable minds to believe that sharing is wrong! The People and the Government of India should reject outright any grant or "investment" which is tied to such restrictive conditions whose sole aim is to perpetuate a monopoly and make a nation's software infrastructure so hopelessly dependent on one corporation. The Government should set up an expert committee to look into the above implications and seriously consider formulating an IT and education policy based on Free/Swatantra Software. Swatantra Software gives the users all the rights and freedoms denied by proprietary software. It enables and encourages collaborative development independent of any corporate entity thereby guaranteeing the freedom and independence of its users. It facilitates devising local solutions to local problems independently of the software's supplier. It gives the users the means and right to study how the software works and, as software educationists know, the best way to learn to write good software is by studying other peoples' work. It allows the software to be shared, both "as is" as well as in modified forms, in keeping with the ethical tradition of the free flow of knowledge. An example of Free/Swatantra Software is the GNU/Linux operating system which is in widespread use especially in the enterprise, in government departments and in academic institutions around the world. The development of the GNU system started in 1984, and the GNU/Linux operating system has been in use since 1992. The country-wide SchoolNet program of Namibia, for instance, uses GNU/Linux. Other countries like Peru are in the process of mandating or legislating the use of free software such as GNU/Linux to ensure their independence. About FSF India The Free Software Foundation Of India is a non-profit organisation committed to advocating, promoting and propagating the use and development of swatantra software in India. Our goal is to ensure the long term adoption of free software, and aim for the day when all software will be free (swatantra). This includes educating people about software freedom and convincing them that it is the freedom that matters. We regard non-free proprietary software as a problem to be solved, not as a solution to any problem. References: Online version of this release: http://www.gnu.org.in/press/141102.html Peruvian Congressman's Open Letter to Microsoft: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-05-06-012-26-OS-SM-LL An Interview with Peruvian Congressman Villanueva: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-05-20-006-26-IN-LF-PB Namibia: SchoolNet rebuffs Microsoft: http://www.schoolnet.na/pr/msftrelease.html The GNU Project: http://www.gnu.org FSF India Web site: http://www.gnu.org.in _______________________________________________ Fsf-press mailing list Fsf-press(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsf-press ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/gn/ Key fingerprint = C1E2 1B8C 8E98 A697 68B7 ADAC E956 6D4B DE90 BF01

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Why linux is a desktop dud !!
by Kiran Nadgir 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

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how to config 4 speakers
by prasad 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

hii all i have connected in all 4 speakers to my comp > > ...where 2 are comp. speakers and two are of my music system > > and i have 2 OS ..winxp and LINUX. but in winsows we can > > enable four speakers, but in linux i don't know from where > > to enable it...if anyone knows @ it ..plzz do reply. bye

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[OT] MS Eula prohibits .NET Benchmark Disclosures
by Prakash Shetty 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hello linuxers, Some interesting stuff i noticed in the windows update agreement license while updating my XP box. * you may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without Microsofts prior written approval. Best regards, Prakash mailto:pshetty@gmx.net

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Regarding Logitech Quickcam Express (USB) Camera
by K.Vasudeva 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Dear all, I am using kernel 2.4.18-3 (Redhat 7.3) To configure Logitech Quickcam express camera (USB) i downloaded the file quickcam-vc-1.0.5 and compiled the kernel.This is my lsmod output Module Size Used by Tainted: P parport_pc 18724 0 (autoclean) qcamvc_pp 4452 0 (autoclean) (unused) parport 34208 0 (autoclean) [parport_pc qcamvc_pp] qcamvc_usb 4836 0 (autoclean) (unused) qcamvc 14176 0 [qcamvc_pp qcamvc_usb] videodev 6624 0 [qcamvc] i810_audio 23008 0 (autoclean) ac97_codec 11936 0 (autoclean) [i810_audio] soundcore 6692 2 (autoclean) [i810_audio] binfmt_misc 7556 1 autofs 12132 0 (autoclean) (unused) eepro100 20240 1 ipchains 43528 10 ide-cd 30272 0 (autoclean) cdrom 32224 0 (autoclean) [ide-cd] usb-ohci 20736 0 (unused) usbcore 73216 1 [qcamvc_usb usb-ohci] ext3 67136 2 jbd 49400 2 [ext3] Whenever i try to access camera using xawtv i am getting this error message. This is xawtv-3.73, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.18-3) can't open /dev/video0: No such device v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such device v4l: open /dev/video0: No such device no video grabber device available My dmesg message Linux video capture interface: v1.00 QuickCam VC: (C) 2001 by De Marchi Daniele, <demarchidaniele(a)libero.it> QuickCam VC: v4l level driver version 1.0.5 registered. QuickCam VC: Making a quickcam directory in /proc. QuickCam VC(USB): (C) 2001 by De Marchi Daniele, <demarchidaniele(a)libero.it> QuickCam VC(USB): lowlevel driver version 1.0.5 registered. qcamvc_usb: init usb.c: registered new driver Connectix QuickCam VC QuickCam VC(PP): (C) 2001 by De Marchi Daniele, <demarchidaniele(a)libero.it> QuickCam VC(PP): lowlevel driver version 1.0.5 registered. parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] this i am trying from past 4 days & even i tried in sourceforge.net Quickcam forum but no information.please help me out. thanks vasu.k -- K.Vasudeva National Centre For Biological Sciences Tata Institute of Fundamental Research UAS_GKVK Campus Bellary Road Bangalore - 560 065 Phone: 080-3636421-31 Extn 3010 Fax : 080-3636662 Email:vasu@ncbs.res.in vasu_k(a)vsnl.net

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deleted items in text based clients
by Amish Munshi 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hi, In mutt (or in any text based client) is there a way to move the deleted items into a specific folder like deleted items? I would prefer the one with pgp (gnupg) also possible. Bye. Amish K. Munshi ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.===

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MY ELX Linux & me
by Prince 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hi there all of you i have installed ELX linux on my system SINGLE CD Linux - Biz version , easy to use ! this is kmail i am using to mail you all ! it's fantastic ! After installation : xmms with mp3 plug in open office fantastic look just as comfortable as windows [ M $ ] my doc , my computer & all that xine is not working [ i am trying to make it run or i will go for Mplayer ] wine is working my sound card detected [ ac 97 onboard on my Asus board ] mc , lynx are missing trying to make it as user friendly as i can ! _ Prince [ yashraj ]

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monitoring remote servers
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

How to monitor web servers from a remote location to detect problems and to solve them? urgent !! please Kapil kapil_karekar(a)hotmail.com

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Linux vs Windows as my selection.
by Amish Munshi 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hi, These are the practical reason why I have selected Linux as my OS. Windows : The only plus being is that it is easier to use. (no one will deny that) More support for games (But with a bad graphics card that I have, I hardly play any games on windows as well). Linux : No Viruses. Technically correct. Non - microsoft product (so it is out of dirt cheap politics) More flexible. I hold a prestigious place in my friend circle when I say that I know linux, since everyone knows that it is not that widely used so I got to be different. No formatting whenever you are in problems. You can pinpoint the problem and solve it without formatting and starting a fresh (This is actually the same as flexibility). More efficient code which improves my networking and hardware life. Last but not the least Power (You can smell the power of your computer, sweating and making noise when you are on linux) Selection is all yours. You pay $$$$$ for that one advantage of ease of use or the above listed points. Bye. Amish K. Munshi ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.===

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Linux Poll 1
by Prince 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Yes we should Create Poll " This is Poll 1 " [ you can put your subject in next poll , but please maintain Poll 's Serial number , creat your poll with name & your name's serials ] Lets take out the Subjects for Polling : 1] Which is Best : Billu baba's M$ windows or Linux ? Answer is Linux ! ........ [ ans is not going to change / " Lock kaar Diya Jaye " ] 2] most completed distro ? 3] mosr powerfull distro ? 4] most stable distro ? 5] which one you prefer ? 6] Fast distro ? Fast X-windows 7] KDE / GNOME ? 8] Linux should be in everyon's home pc : Yes / No 9] ISP preference win / LINUX ? 10] Programme Development Scope in Windows or Linux ? 12] ASP or PHP ? 13] which is Best Desktop Linux [ Easy to use for beginners ] 14] many more to come NEXT Time ! ##### Justify Your Answers if possible ! ########## Who is going to keep record of All Poll ratings ? _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Linux Publicity is important now
by Prince 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Subject: Linux Publicity Started in Mumbai Hello this is Yashraj , Remeber me [ the photographer in LINUX MEET + Linux Lover ] any way ! what i have done i will explain : i am back from PEN [ where my college is ] i put the complete idea abt Linux Awareness & Projects in front of HOD & Students association the seminar is fixed in FEB or so . The topics which i think to start with : 1] Easy way computing : that's abt M$ windows , cause people are using windows now ........so let's make clear abt nay of the doubts in that OS , giving the suggestion of TIPS & tricks & best softwares , easy softwares The Details : Easy Way Computing : Topics : Windows Environment Why Windows ? Overview of all the Best softwares for Windows Now how you use windows ? What maxmum you can do with windows ? What Professionals are doing with Windows ? Windows Operating in Most easy way Windows with " General Failure Error " Windows & MAC Windows & Linux Linux Awareness : Topics : What is Linux ? Why Linux ? Comparision between Windows & Linux Linux everywhere & no windows Linux Distributions * Linux's X-Windows Linux Applications * Industry Demand for Networking [ Network Engineers ] * Software Development in Windows & Linux * Hardware level / System Level Programming Future Scope in Linux , that's Job ! Use Linux & feel proud about it ! Projects for Engineering Students : Topics : Why not Software Projects ? Why software Projects ? What to Develop ? How to Develop ? What 's the value of our Project ? Relation of your Projects & Jobs Linux Platform for Development What you will Learn ? In future you will be with whome ? What you will know at the End of Project ? Join Linux User's Group & Open Source Revolution What about Scope in Hardware , Hardware - Software ? Does Networking comes under this ? Can we do or get Study Projects based on Latest Technology ? Are you Ready ? SourceForge Projects : Communications (6335 projects) Database (2499 projects) Desktop Environment (1474 projects) Education (1173 projects) Games/Entertainment (5937 projects) Internet (9823 projects) Multimedia (4808 projects) Office/Business (1848 projects) Other/Nonlisted Topic (1044 projects) Printing (174 projects) Religion (112 projects) Scientific/Engineering (3211 projects) Security (1106 projects) Sociology (124 projects) Software Development (6702 projects) System (7905 projects) Terminals (250 projects) Text Editors (1093 projects) ### i will be taking these things in college as a Seminar cum TALKSHOW ! ######## what you think abt it ? i want more material regarding projects ? software & hardware projects ? _ very important now do not ask me to search Sourceforge.net ,,,,,, i have seen , but at our best can provide or suggest to students that i want . still i think Degree eng . students do not get enough time to develop the projects . that's a fact ! so better we should see them in other way .......we can only make awareness of linux among them . for giving PROJECTS we sould find other audience [ other than deg. eng students , at least not in electronics ( Hardware ) ] we should approach Comouter branch & give a Try . if you want i can go to any of the college & will give brief idea abt " why Linux ? " to GET THEIR INTEREST not to teach them anything at that moment ! i have tried in my college like this : " they just know or may be not ( in some cases ] abt LINUX " , heard abt it " , haven't seen , Will only like know abt it , Not to use it at this moment ! _______ Students said so ! What i want from you is , the complete details ( in written format ) abt : Why LINUX ? Where can it can be ? why better than MS win ? which projects we can give ? who we are in LINUX World ? sir these details are EXTREMELY important ! i am Graphic gesigner so i will be able to make LINUX wallpaper [ by my own ] if get the BEST Punch lines & the above details ! so let me know abt what you think abt : My research on student my idea my vimp request abt linux pulicity material Yashraj _ iamprince _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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FSF India Volunteer Directory
by Nagarjuna G. 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

I hope many of you are aware FSF-India is maintaining a directory of Volunteers and also a Business Directory for companies dealing with free software support. Please visit the http://forum.gnu.org.in/Volunteers, and/or http://forum.gnu.org.in/bizdir. Nagarjuna

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IIT for the expo ...
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Hi, Jaju and I talked to Dr. Phatak some time ago, about our plans for the expo, PRC, regular workhshops etc. He has promised complete support from KReSIT towards the event. He also mentioned a new "Affordable Computing Lab" that will be started at KReSIT in a couple of months ... August or later seems like a good date, December or May is ideal for IIT. Those are the only two months when accomodation could be available ... Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "I understand this is your first dead client," Sabian was saying. The absurdity of the statement made me want to laugh but they don't call me Deadpan Allie and lie. -- Pat Cadigan, "Mindplayers"

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linux bom2003...dates 4 students
by Gurpreet Singh 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

hi all this is bout the dates of linux bombay 2003 although end feb or early march was perfect as far as students r concerned but i'll just summarize the dates that'll suite studentz in maharashtra. *feb/ march early - perfect coz itz thhe starting of the sem n ervery1 is kinda free * march is gud but dont get too deep in march * april wud be not so gud, a few enthu onez might come but most will back up coz of pracs * may n june can be ruled out for students * july wud be gr8 but i dunno bout the rainz * august is rainy too, but we have a plus bout the independence day * sept and later wud be tooo late ( i cant wait that long lol) CONCLUSION- feb or march wud be the best for students ( i dunno bout professionals) decide asap fellas gurpreet

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Linux Poll 1
by Prince 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Yes we should Create Poll " This is Poll 1 " [ you can put your subject in next poll , but please maintain Poll 's Serial number , creat your poll with name & your name's serials ] Lets take out the Subjects for Polling : 1] Which is Best : Billu baba's M$ windows or Linux ? Answer is Linux ! ........ [ ans is not going to change / " Lock kaar Diya Jaye " ] 2] most completed distro ? 3] mosr powerfull distro ? 4] most stable distro ? 5] which one you prefer ? 6] Fast distro ? Fast X-windows 7] KDE / GNOME ? 8] Linux should be in everyon's home pc : Yes / No 9] ISP preference win / LINUX ? 10] Programme Development Scope in Windows or Linux ? 12] ASP or PHP ? 13] which is Best Desktop Linux [ Easy to use for beginners ] 14] many more to come NEXT Time ! ##### Justify Your Answers if possible ! ########## Who is going to keep record of All Poll ratings ?

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RE:[OT] MS Eula prohibits .NET Benchmark Disclosures
by Sankha Subhra Som 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

> * you may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the > .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party > without Microsofts prior written approval. Yes heard of such tactics.A recent IEEE Spectrum issue had a feature on this specific type of arm twisting tech biggies are reverting to.Yes, it sucks. Cheers Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** Tell me to 'stuff it'--I'm a taxidermist.

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libpcap & tcpdump alert
by Amol Hatwar 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

The latest sources of tcpdump and libpcap have trojan code. More details can be had here: http://www.net-security.org/news.php?id=1436 Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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Summary of discussions on the Bom-Linux Expo!
by Ritesh Kala 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

All this discussion was getting too difficult to follow. So I thought that a summary of the ideas till date would be nice! We could take pointers from other Linux Conferences like Banglore Linux 2002 (http://linux-bangalore.org) and LinuxWorld (www.linuxworld.de) Suggested dates (Timing) 1. End-Feb to Beginning - March: This may however not be suitable because an international level meet is being organized in Kerala by the govt with support from FSF-india. 2. end march to early may is not suitable as most corporates will be busy with accountsand year ending. Plus college / university exams are held around april / may. 3. July seems a better time....year-end is over, collegesabout to open, so students return to town, and generally considered dull period. 4. August: An idea to Couple it with Independence day celebrations has been suggested. Suggested Places Two places have been suggested so far: 1. IIT Campus, however someone suggested that a Conference held at IIT would be considered too technical to be of interested to the common users. 2. Nehru Science Centre 3. I would like to suggest that the place be as close to the centre of town as possible if we are expecting a large corporate turnout. The Bandra-Reclamation ground could be another option. Aim...to have the following core interests at heart. --> Conferences / Workshops/ Tech Presentations/ Competitions for Geeks/Programmers alike. --> Expo for commercial companies to demo/display their s/w and h/w products based based on FSF/OS tools. --> Get the Government to notice FSF/OS options. Invite dignitaries/Beureaucrats to be part of some key sessions involving FSF/OS implementations/pilots for the govt. --> Get major colleges and high schools as well as IIT to participate as they would provide a large audience. --> Get LUGs from other places to participate. Also find cheap accomodation for participants from outside Mumbai. Suggested places include YMCA and IIT hostels. --> Some fun events (Geeks vs. Nerds quiz? Geek of the yr. award?) Give away books on OSS by raffle / hourly quizzes. Oreilly/Wrox etc will be interested. --> A Professional Event Management firm could be used to handle the details. The acceptance of theis idea would ofcourse be based on the available money aand the numberr of volunteers we have. The cost of hiring one will be posted by Saswata some time soon. The main benefits of hiring an event maagement company would include the following as sugested by Saswata: The advantage would be that there is a strong business support backup. Things like sending out mailers, accepting registrations, collecting cheques and banking them, keeping track of budgets, making sure there are adequate trained personnel at the venue (pretty young girls for registrations, giving out the agenda, cds etc. -- every event has them), coording with the venue owners for seating, arrangements, lighting, OHPs, etc. If we dont have an event managemnt company doing the above, then we should have enough infrastructure and support system to do that type of work. I think you are talking of workshops and seminars where a large number of people would come over. (Mind you, I am not saying that volunteers from ILUG cannot do it, what I am saying is that there are hundreds of boring jobs which are to be done and these companies do it all the time, so for them it is child's play) --> We have to approach sponsors for the event. Also companies with commercial interest in mind (displaying their products) will be charged. Names like IBM, all time favourite RedHat, oracle have been suggested. --> What I'd really like to see is for the Expo to provide a recruitment office (??) for people who are intrested in contributing to the community in any way. Although the response may be half-hearted or flame out after a while, I think what really needs to be driven in the public consciousness is the fact that *YOU* can contribute. I mean, most people view Free/OSS software as just something to use, written by some ultra-smart geeks you have no hope of matching. A lot of help can be used, especially in non-programming tasks like indian-language localization, distribution, general help, etc. I suspect that there also might be programmers who are searching for a idea/project to contribute to (I know I am) so we could provide some sort of exchange for that... considering the variety of people planning to attend, it could be really useful :-) ( As contributed by Ashish Kulkarni) There are a few points to be taken care of: 1. The PRC site should be up and running. This would allow us to showcase the best projects. 2. The workshops should get underway. 3. Target audiences and speakers as well as topics have to be taken care of. 4. Hundreds of other things :) I think the December 8 meeting would be a really long one ... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mûrphy rûñs thè wørld « It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. » -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] FYI - Yahoo messenger port change
by Amish Mehta 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

No. Yahoo has its chat server open on many ports(so that it works through most of firewalls). And I have noticed many times that windows client, if it fails for some reason to connect on 5050 port, it tries ftp, telnet, even http ports. it must be some temporary problem on port 5050 that too on server you might be trying to connect. Yahoo chat servers are generally csNN.msg.sc5.yahoo.com where NN is number. Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: > >It appears that the port number for yahoo messenger has changed. While >windows clients don't have a problem, the linux client has the port >number written in its .ymessenger/preferences file

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Google and HCI
by Amol Hatwar 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

People interested in HCI may want to check this out: http://www.goodexperience.com/columns/02/1015google.html Its an interview with Marissa Mayer, Google.com's product manager and has many revelations on UI Design. -ah.

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by amit kalyani 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

If I want to install ghostview how can I do it. In general what is the way to install a new software on the system in linux OS. Please reciprocate. thanks, amit. Amit R. Kalyani M-Tech Civil (structures) Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, Powai, Mumbai-400076. Hostel 4, Room no: 379. phone:5721008,5720194.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
by vinayak 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

-----Original Message----- From: Hanisha Vaswani <hanishav(a)yahoo.com> Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom? though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... ---------- ---------- I totally agree with the above point. By taking care of the logistics ourselves, we will be be able to control and conduct the event better than an event management company. ----------- ----------- an event management company is fine when it comes to organising events for an audience whose needs are well-understood ---Michael Jackson fans, for eg. --- but i seriously have my own doubts about which event management company would understand the unique needs of a niche community like ours [ hell, we're a lot different from a standard product launch or lecture series, which is the maximum 'software expertise' that most such companies have ] ---------- ---------- Also since this is slightly different event (I am talking about philosophy of free software Vs sell-sell-sell/FUD about others ideology of the corporates of the IT world) corporate events), it would be better if we manage it ourselves and get the message across. --------- --------- which is why companies like IBM need to have their own in-house event - preparation and - management teams --------- --------- of course this is tiring and time consuming but then the best things in life are never handed to anyone on a silver platter --------- --------- But I believe the effort will be worth it. ***************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. ***************

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LINK: Don't Bill the Gates (Important/Long)
by Frederick Noronha 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Mahesh Murthy" <mahesh(a)passionfund.com> To: <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:44:49 +0530 Subject: [india-gii] Sneak Preview of Business Today Column on Gates' visit Since we are on the topic, and at least some of us seem to be thinking alike, here is the column that should appear in Business Today next Monday: ----- Don't Bill the Gates. Let's take the billionaire's healthcare handouts, and turn down the software handcuffs. By the time this article comes out, the world's richest man would have been here and gone. From what I hear around me, our state governments are in a tizzy, competing to outdo each other to dazzle the gent. All in a hope to get some of his cash into their state. Nothing wrong with any of this. But let's look a little closer at why the Chief Software Architect is taking 4 days out of that hyper-valuable time to hobnob with our CMs and CEOs. He's not really here because we need his money. He's here because he needs ours. Think about it - Microsoft has seen off legal challenges to its Windows monopoly. But never before has it seen such a strong marketplace challenge - in the form of the open source operating system called Linux. Linux is all the things a developing economy like India needs - open, well-documented, stable, secure, accepted worldwide - and, best of all, virtually free. Governments around the world, from Peru to the United Kingdom have begun insisting on open source to power their national initiatives. India is not far behind - Kerala, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka were among the first to direct atleast some of their IT buyers to first look at open source for solutions, and only later, at proprietary systems like Microsoft before placing orders. This worries the famously paranoid Redmonders. Small wonder that the CMs of these very states are on Bill's list of people to schmooze on this trip. "Hey buddy, I'll come and throw a few scraps your way from my private jet - but, pal, you gotta buy Microsoft." Governments and their directives are not Bill's only worries. India isn't that large a market for software - we barely account for 1% of Microsoft's sales. But the fact is that we are home to 10% of the world's software developers - and Billy boy just doesn't want Coder Coomaraswamy to go over to the Linux side of the development fence. Corporations around the world want lower cost, more supportable and stable solutions. And the nightmare of India becoming one of the world's strong Linux-based development centers has ensured that our Ambanis, Tatas and Narayanamurthy's get treatment on par with our Chief Ministers. The message again: "Stay with Microsoft and we can beat off those Open-source Outlaws and bring the world back to a place where a monopolist can still make a decent living." The trip is done and over with now - and hopefully some of the glamour and space-cadet glow would have faded from those who wanted to be photographed with His Billness. Time for a reality check. For buyers, it's time to consider how the very nature of software is changing. From a point where the internet offered the ultimate open, extensible infrastructure we now have offerings like Microsoft's Palladium which, in the supposed name of security, takes the free, open nature of TCP/IP: the platform under the internet, and adds proprietary bits that will ensure that Microsoft controls and gets paid virtually every time you go out of the gate onto the net. You will also see new Microsoft licensing models that force you to pay subscriptions from now till forever for whatever you use. You don't have to accept it if you don't want to. There are alternatives. Further, you will hear standard Microsoft FUD, as they call it themselves (rumours that add to Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) that Linux is more expensive than Windows to implement. This is Redmond's new global anti-Linux positioning - once they realized their earlier "Linux is un-American and un-capitalistic" line actually ended up making it more popular. Don't take anybody's word for it. Do your own study, arrive at your own conclusions. More FUD is expected that Linux is insecure - but this coming from notoriously bug-infested Microsoft is like Saddam suddenly evangelizing humane democracy. If you're a developer, keep an equally open mind. There are advantages to being part of the Microsoft camp, especially if you want framed photographs you can show your grandchildren - or your customers live under a rock and will buy MS, no questions asked. For others, there is a global market for Linux-based solutions that is rapidly developing. You will have to re-adjust your thinking. And as far as the Bill and Melinda Foundation to eradicate AIDS? A wonderful effort by all means. The NGOs among you should strive to seek connections and funding. And having to write up your reports in Word or Excel is a small price to pay. --------------------- From: "Mahesh Murthy" <mahesh(a)passionfund.com> To: <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:59:55 +0530 Subject: [india-gii] Reposting column on BillG's visit A few of you have asked for permission to repost this column. Please feel free to do so at will, <with attributions to Business Today and hopefully, me;)> Also there's a rabid discussion on /. about the general topic: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/11/185237&mode=nested&tid=109 Mahesh mahesh(a)passionfund.com

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