- Linuxers - lists.fsci.in

DeveloperIQ: GentooLinux 1.2, PhatLinux, compile your kernel...
by Frederick Noronha 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

----------------------------------------------------------------- DeveloperIQ "India's first complete software mag" Sept 2002 issue: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Highlights from the issue, compiled by FN: * Free as in freedom... focus on some alternate OSs - SpinOS (an OS that blurs the distinction between kernels and applications). - ReactOS: an Open Source effort to develop a quality operating system that is compatible with Windows NT applications and drivers. - BeOS: contains advantages from several OSs without ancient oddments of older versions. - Inferno: middleware, networking operating system, and a development environment for embedded systems. - Gentoo Linux 1.2: High-performance ports-based Linux metadistribution. Gentoo Linux has an advanced package management system called Portage. - Phat Linux 3.3: You can install Phat Linux on your computer without repartitioning your hard disk. - S.Ha.R.K: a dynamic configurable kernel architecture designed for supporting hard, soft and non real-time applications with interchangeable scheduling algorithms. * In the CD: - SpinOS - ReactOS - BeOS - Phat Linux 3.3 - Gentoo Linux 1.2 - Vita Nuova Inferno - netowrk operating system - SHaRK - XFree86 (freely redistributable, open-source implementation fo the XWindows Systems) * Post your problem: Questions on - How to figure out if your Ethernet card is recognised? (itconfig netstat) - How to access files on an MS-DOS partition or floppy - What does it mean if your meachine boots, says LI and then freezes? - What if you forget your Linux password? - How to install GNU software in Linux? - How to configure your network in Mandrake? - How to create a 'multiboot' LILO in Linux? * Compile your own Linux kernel. Continuing the journey with Philip de Groot. Concluding of a two-part series. * Look out for some database abstraction on PHP and learn about the Perl DBI (use Perl to access many different types of databases through a single API that works independently of the actual database being used). * Ad for Borland Delphi7 Studio. "Provides the migration path to .NET that developers have been waiting for. ... you're in control of a complete e-business development studio -- with the freedom to easily take your solutions cross-platform to Linux. Visit www.borland.com or email indiacustserv(a)borland.com mentioning Delphi7 in the subjectline. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Contact DeveloperIQ (www.developeriq.com). Price Rs 100 in India. Two CDs included. Bouquets and brickbats to ramdas(a)developeriq.com Send your letters in under 350 words, mention address/job designation ----------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha Freelance Journalist http://linuxinindia.pitas.com

1 0

Opening up GNU/Linux in new areas ...
by Frederick Noronha 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

In the thick of the (delayed) monsoons means one has to put up with an additional round of computer-related woes. So, this evening, I found myself at ASIC in Panjim, trying to sort out a bad sectored-hard disk. One of the staff there raised the issue. "Why don't you teach us Linux?" he asked. Soon, two or three others were asking. In no time, they had put together a list of seven e-mail addresses, all of whom were hardware techies wanting to "learn Linux". Maybe the question was not put to the best person. (I'm no GNU/Linux guru.) But it set one thinking.... What can be done to promote GNU/Linux among new users? And also among Windows techies and hardware people, who could then spread it further? Two suggestions: * Tips on GNU/Linux targetted at newbies, to help them take up a kind of self-learning process... Such tips could be of the how-to-get-started type. * Holding a few demos of various installs. Andrew asked: "Please let us know when you'll will demo an install." He underlined the need for handholding for new users to get past the partitioning stage. Any volunteers to take these possibilities forward? Pls contact me off-list. Thanks, FN

3 3

Query on Gphoto...
by Frederick Noronha 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

Any idea why my digital camera downloads superbly with Gphoto on Mandrake 8.0, but doesn't with Gphoto on RedHat 6.2? Tks, FN

2 1

Intel pro1000
by Hiten Desai 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

I have installed Intel Pro 1000 (10/100/1000 Mbit) on Redhat 6.2 (2.2.19) but I am receiving this error on console e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

1 0

Interesting topic
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

the less informed said 1) X gui is bloated 2) most of the world uses windoze 3) users want something that works 4) u cant make money on free software Seems that the issues were mixed and arguments against linux were not in context. 1) X was designed with networking in mind. It is ideal for a thin client environment and will outperform the windows gui (which in fact cannot operate as a thin client) by miles not to mention issues of maintainence and upgradation. 2) HE HE. total number of non i386 processors sold is higher by several orders of magnitude. They run customised software which makes it possible for crap like windows to exist in the first place. (Power, railways, mining, communications, manufacturing, medical tecnology). 3) If u think that windows works ur idea of "works" needs corrective education (a stint at gulag microsoft might be in order). If u are an engineer please dont mention the two in the same breath. 4) Refer 2. One single contract in one of the above fields will provide you enough work to last a life time. If u so much as mention windows in these circiles u would be thrown out pronto (presuming you managed to worm ur way in in the first place). But the above completely misses out on something very basic "what is good for u and ur business" U may be a business end user or a professional in the computer industry, the basics are the same. Lets talk only of a business providing software to another business. Basic principles are 1) reduce the cost of your input raw material (best if free) 2) deploy your manpower effeciently (debug your code instead of M$ code) 3) Focus 4) Reuse (possible in the above industries only if complete processor cross compatability exists) So what would you do fatten microsoft and waste time finding uncorrectable bugs or use GNU/Linux With the advent of the latest Open office suite, the last hurdle has vanished (a very small number of issues remain with some complex M$ documents). So IMHO stop thinking about windows. It is irrelevant in 99% of microprocessors. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

2 1

[ANNOUNCE] HyParSuite - Hypertext Parsing Suite
by Ravindra Jaju 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

Hi all. This is to announce a pre-alpha release of my Hypertext Parsing Suite. It can "clean" HTML ( or other markup languages, depending on the user-defined rule table ) to get an output which matches the rules in your table, create a DOM tree for use in various applications and a lot of other stuff. It comes in the class of Tidy ( tidy.sourceforge.net ), but has very different goals. One is - it does NOT try to create standards-compliant HTML, but cleans and parses to create something useful for applications ( like, in information retrieval and extraction etc. ). It reads its rules from a user-supplied table, and the default one resembles HTML very closely. The suite includes a sample.cpp file to show how to use the library. And the library can be linked to your applications too. Examples could be extracting particular parts from your markup language files like links, or tables. It is written in C++, and does not *yet* use the auto* tools. Simple make commands to build and install ( in your $HOME ) We have run this code on huge amounts of data ( > 1 GB ), and found it to be stable and without memory leaks. There are other related applications written around this code which I'm planning to release soon. Please download and test. URL: http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~jaju/hypar/ Online docs created from doxygen can be found on the site. -- jaju PS: Probably not the right time to release, as I'll be away from Saturday for a week. But please let me know of any issues/ideas/suggestions, and I'll look into them after I come back.

2 5

Re: [ILUG-BOM] nikhil : re to re
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

>planet must use it. There always should be some space for >improvement ;) true... but i refuse to let loose my purse strings for patchy software from MS. -Amol.

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

At 06:28 even 9/4/02 +0530, Philip wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > I dont need some site telling me which is better - I *use* IE6 and Mozilla > > 1.0 - Mozilla is good. Especially Galeon is very fast under Gnome (as it > >I think what he meant was that IE cannot display all the features of style >sheets because it doesn't support them. IE is not a standards compliant >browser, although IE6 is probably the closest that they've come. I had got that. But my *whole* argument was from the user point of view. Not the technical. Mozilla may be superior to IE in design, architecture etc. - but IE is faster/cleaner to use. Have Netscape/Mozilla *always* been 100% compliant? My webpage, which I handcoded in HTML looked bad in Netscape 4.?, It looked better in Mozilla, but much better in IE5+. I have used png, jpeg, CSS2.0 & plain HTML only. On my X, Mozilla takes 10-15 seconds to start. Galeon takes 4-7. On my windows Netscape 6 took ~20 sec to load. Mozilla 6-10. IE takes ~1 sec. It is not that I need IE, when in Linux I prefer Links. But of course it is pointless. quasi p.s. I think with this mail I will retire from this thread. Throwing about our-own chests in front of each other is not the Linux way, at least not for me. I have peace, in that I have converted a sufficiently large number of people to the GNU/Linux way.

3 2

Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Parul Mathur 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:29:36 +0530 > From: Ravindra Jaju <jaju(a)it.iitb.ac.in> >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 07:09:02PM +0530, Philip S Tellis >wrote: > > Hmm, I use HTML generated by a CGI script reading from a text >file. It > > takes me 20 minutes to make my text file. > >I use a simple Perl script. >You can supply a stylesheet from the command line, or else you >get >plain 'white' pages ... > >I can make the Perl script available if anyone wishes .... > >-- >jaju > Dear Philip, I was very impressed when I first saw you using those HTML files as "slides". When I left NCST and joined my present company, I made a stylesheet that mimicked the company standard for PPTs. To make individual "slides" I would manually and laboriously make several copies of the first "slide" and then edit it... you get the picture. So I would be really grateful if you could make your CGI script available for download on your website. Could you also make a non-CGI version available for use on the command line? Thanks. Dear Jaju, I was equally impressed by your tutorial at http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~jaju/tutorials/net/tcpip/node1.html I was using IE6 at that time (800 x 600 resolution) and for some reason the text in the "slide" on the right seemed too big; I tried to change the text size to "Smallest" but there was no effect. Something wrong with IE? In any case, your Perl script would be very welcome too. Instructions for use would also be very helpful. Thanks. Parul

4 4

Internal Modem
by Sameer Shinde 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

Dear Lugers, We ( myself & Kedar ) having some problems while installing the Motorola sm56 internal modem on RHL7.2 Can somebody help us. The readme file along with the rpm which we have says that the rpm file can be used on RHL7.1 along with the kernel 2.4.x But we have RHL7.2 along with kernel 2.4.x Can anybody tell us how can we use the rpm on 7.2 If not where can we get the drivers for 7.2 & / or 7.3 Thanks & Regards, SAMEER :) P.S. : Sometime back I read ( I think on mailing list only ) that Motorola stops developing the drivers for sm56 on linux. Is this true? In such case how can we get the drivers. Actually this is one of the reason why I'm not switching from 7.1 to 7.2 or 7.3 or any other distribution. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Messenger IDs : MSN : s2sameer Yahoo! : s9sameer RediffBol : s2sameer Indiatimes : s2sameer Visit My web-site @ : www.geocities.com/s9sameer/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

3 2

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Q u a s i wrote : >At 03:28 even 9/4/02 +0530, PTellis wrote: >>On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: >> > click, get a presentation done for tomorrow in 20 minutes and >>go to >> >>powerpoint takes significantly more than 20 minutes to build a >>presentation. more than a few hours actually. even then the >>presentation isn't visible on an OHP because the person who >>built the presentation doesn't understand the difference between >>a CRT and a projector. > >If that comes to that, it is best to use transparencies and OHP >marker pens. That is why most of the dear lecturers at NCST do >that. > >>well, I use linux because it works better than anything else >>I've used, and it looks better than anything else I've used. >>Yes, I use X a lot when I'm at work, and it's painful to have to >>use a windows machine after sitting at my system. The widgets >>look ugly, the colours are >>terrible, the sharp edges I don't like, and the nasty >>double-clicking is too much for me. I use Gnome as my DM and >>Mozilla as my browser. > >{grin} we surely have different tastes. But I guess the colours >bit is a bit too much dont you think? You can have whatever >colours you like, windows or x. In XP you get all sorts of >curves too, translucence, shadow, single clicks - all the works. >Even getting single clicking to win98 SE is a trivial 5 sec job. >Come come Sir, let us be unbiased. > >I am not propagating M$ products. >I am not saying windows is better overall. >All I am saying is dont ignore the good points of M$. As I >mentioned earlier, M$ has had no qualms incorporating features >swiped from all over the place. >What makes windows bearable, too, are some super cool *free* >software available for it. *chop* Those are called give-aways. If you have paid for the software, you have paid for the give-away in a way. If you haven't what you are doing is illegal. >Anyway we can sit arguing like this forever. In the end, we get >used to and love what we use. Yes, we could go on... But we should remember that we should only do things that we love doing legally ;). I may agree that Windows does give much more better performance compared to Linux with respect to some areas. But then one must also take several other things into account. If Linux was a built like Windows it would be hundered times better, perhaps more stable even. You may like using MS today, but as how many people and I see it, GNU/Linux will have the upperhand in the future. You can mark my words for this one :). Amol Hatwar.

2 1

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

At 07:09 even 9/4/02 +0530, Tellis wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > If that comes to that, it is best to use transparencies and OHP marker > > pens. That is why most of the dear lecturers at NCST do that. > >Hmm, I use HTML generated by a CGI script reading from a text file. It >takes me 20 minutes to make my text file. I use HTML for slides too. I dont have M$ Office. But a *lot* of others do. And calling them idiots is rather strange. q p.s. before we spiral out, please try to recollect my first mail, if you read it. I _am_not_ propagating Windows here for you all to jump on me. I did not even say anything against GNU/Linux. I only said X sucked. It really does. Why be zealotish?

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

At 08:01 morn 9/4/02 +0530, Nikhil wrote: >I can only imagine what it must be like for Arts/Commerce/ ppl to >understand what is Linux What makes you think that *all* CS BE students know what a computer is? I have a friend with TCS who did his BE CS from VJTI and who surprises me. And I know a few from Commerce/Arts who aint bad... not bad at all. quasi p.s. Engg is a big joke. If you know what I mean... ;-D

2 1

Re: [ILUG-BOM] [COMMERCIAL] SysAds Required / CISA,CISSPs Required
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 Nilesh Chaudhari wrote : >Hi! Guys, > >The company where I work needs system administrators with >the following requirements - > > * Should possess a BE degree with atleast 1 year > of system administration experience. > * Extensive knowledge of Linux/OpenBSD. > * Strong on TCP/IP & Networking > * Extensive knowledge of Proxies/Mail/DNS/FTP servers > * Well versed with Firewall architectures and IDSes > * Strong Shell / Perl Scripting Skills. > * Very good communication skills. > * Based in Mumbai. > >Additionally, there is also a requirement for CISA/CISSP >certified guys with following criteria - > > * Should possess atleast 2 years experience in the > security field. > * Should have CISA / CISSP certification ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which company is this? How many people in India have CISSP certs? Just below a 100! Bleh! -ah.

4 3

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

At 03:28 even 9/4/02 +0530, PTellis wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > click, get a presentation done for tomorrow in 20 minutes and go to > >powerpoint takes significantly more than 20 minutes to build a >presentation. more than a few hours actually. even then the presentation >isn't visible on an OHP because the person who built the presentation >doesn't understand the difference between a CRT and a projector. If that comes to that, it is best to use transparencies and OHP marker pens. That is why most of the dear lecturers at NCST do that. >well, I use linux because it works better than anything else I've used, >and it looks better than anything else I've used. Yes, I use X a lot when >I'm at work, and it's painful to have to use a windows machine after >sitting at my system. The widgets look ugly, the colours are >terrible, the sharp edges I don't like, and the nasty double-clicking is >too much for me. I use Gnome as my DM and Mozilla as my browser. {grin} we surely have different tastes. But I guess the colours bit is a bit too much dont you think? You can have whatever colours you like, windows or x. In XP you get all sorts of curves too, translucence, shadow, single clicks - all the works. Even getting single clicking to win98 SE is a trivial 5 sec job. Come come Sir, let us be unbiased. I am not propagating M$ products. I am not saying windows is better overall. All I am saying is dont ignore the good points of M$. As I mentioned earlier, M$ has had no qualms incorporating features swiped from all over the place. What makes windows bearable, too, are some super cool *free* software available for it. Anyway we can sit arguing like this forever. In the end, we get used to and love what we use. >I can watch movies full screen, and if only I could get a pair of speakers >in here, I could hear them too (my sound system is configured correctly). We can watch full screen movies in Windows too. :D And yes I require a pair of speaker to get sound out of windows too. BTW on my P200MMX watching fullscreen movies on Linux was *very* jerky. Ditto windows media player. But Cyberlink player played the same movies super smooth. > > that it has the potential to be ~170 deg K. > >hmmm... cool enough to get frostbite. ofcourse, if that's too cool for >some people, they could just switch themes, and linux would be hot! as you know, ice can give you "burns" ... :D So, that 170'K I mentioned is both super cool as well as burning hot - take your pick. Let me quote William Blake "If the doors of perception were cleansed, all things would appear infinite" quasi

3 2

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Q u a s i wrote : >At 04:47 even 9/4/02 +0530, TH wrote: >>On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:05:35 +0530 >>Q u a s i <quasar(a)vsnl.net> wrote: >> >> > I still trip on winamp+tripex3 and surf the net with IE. >>(X-windows suxx majorly.) >> >>Hold it, hold it. Circa June 2000, my Gnome + Enlightenment >>desktop was a showcase that caused many a dropped jaws. I can >>any day say without hesitation that Gnome (haven't used KDE) is >>ages ahead of MS > >We dont agree. I have had X all the time past 6 years. But I >have always found it be a substandard, and a rather ad-hoc GUI. >The need to keep it generic and portable has made the X >architecture excessively slow. They are bring in (supposedly) >cool things like DRI etc. we shall see... I have used Gnome >(Xamian & otherwise) and it has definitely come a long way but it >lacks smoothness and that crisp feel. First time I installed >enlightenment and the bluesteel theme even my jaw dropped to the >floor. But enlightenment has eye candy but is bulky and slack & >I dont like nor need all those frills while working. Sawfish is >fast but still not smooth enough. IceWM & FVWM2 were the best I >have used. Windows 98SE is *way* faster and smoother and >crispier (talking about the GUI only) especially when you take >away the web integration. In the past 2 years I am using it I >have got the arbit blue screen only 4 or 5 times. And I have >hung my xserver as many times too. Whatever you use, you have to >tweak it for better performance, aint it so dear Sir? We can all >equally say {quote}"I'm sorry, you probably never tried to go >beyond the default settings of your window manager."{/quote} *cut* Starting from XP onwards this will change. MS GUI will be more idiot-friendly. Win98 SE is longer officially supported. Besides that is your copy legal? -Ah.

2 1

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Image Support with PHP
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Ravindra Jaju wrote : >On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 12:50:01PM -0000, Amol Hatwar wrote: > > > > Ahhh, see I'll make it sound simple - before any HTML is sent >to > > the browser, the server dishes out headers to it. The > > 'Content-Type' and Content-Size is one example, cookies are > > another. However this process only happens once, that is to >say > > you cannot send headers after you've sent the browser HTML. > > > > So do your includes _before_ sending HTML and do not print or >echo > > anything in the includes unless you obviously can't do with >out > > it. Also for debugging, set variables rather than using >die(). > >Not too sure about this, but iirc, this changes with the newer >version >of PHP. > >Output is buffered, so you can have headers anywhere. > >Need to confirm though. > Nor am I... but I am sure sometimes scripts have to run with older versions of PHP. Server Admins resist installing something new just because its has one new cool-feature. Basically they are *drones*, but with PHP the reasons are good - major security flaws. So its better to have headers before HTML. Your scripts stay portable. Regards, -Amol Hatwar.

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Image Support with PHP
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

On Tue, 03 Sep 2002 kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net wrote : >Hi guys, > >I am having an issue with generating images using PHP. > >When I include the PHP file(ex. graph.php), which generates the >PNG image, in my current html file, it gives an error saying >"Headers already sent. * snip * Ahhh, see I'll make it sound simple - before any HTML is sent to the browser, the server dishes out headers to it. The 'Content-Type' and Content-Size is one example, cookies are another. However this process only happens once, that is to say you cannot send headers after you've sent the browser HTML. So do your includes _before_ sending HTML and do not print or echo anything in the includes unless you obviously can't do with out it. Also for debugging, set variables rather than using die(). Regards, -ah.

2 1

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] command line MP3 player??
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Q u a s i wrote : >At 12:06 morn 9/3/02 +0530, you wrote: >>hey luggerz >>does anyone know of a mp3 player that can be run from the >>command prompt >>my system gets real slow on the gui and even slower if i play >>some media >>Gurpreet > >try splay or mp3blaster. >on my Pentium MMX 200MHz it used to take up 9-11% system >resources according to top. Compare this with winamp which used >~40%. But the latest versions of splay and mp3blaster are >equally fast. > mp3blaster rawks! -ah

1 0

RE: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Amarendra Godbole (Intl Vendor) 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

> Adding on to what Harsh said, I would like to point out that most > universities across the world are beginning to adopt UNIX as the > standard platform for teaching programming. UNIX ? But that's closed source isn't it (at least the commercial versions.) Was it s/UNIX/Linux that you meant to say ? --amar -- Amarendra A. Godbole / Microsoft ``Services For UNIX'' / These opinions are _MINE_. You are the sum total of the choices you make.

2 1

Re: [ILUG-BOM] command line MP3 player??
by Mandar Khanolkar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

hi Gurpreet try mpg123 song.mp3 command. Mandar On Tue, 03 Sep 2002 Gurpreet Singh wrote : >hey luggerz >does anyone know of a mp3 player that can be run from the command >prompt >my system gets real slow on the gui and even slower if i play >some media >Gurpreet

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux CD
by upendra gandhi 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

hi all is it really doing gr8 job "indiainfotech.org" may be a can tell when i get my 50/- take care ===== upendra gandhi CIW ASSOCIATE (Server Admin.Internetworking Professional, Security Professional) http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com pengan78(a)linuxfreemail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

3 2

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Statistical Analysis in PHP
by Amol Hatwar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net wrote : >hi guys, > >I have a mysql database with some statistical data. I need to > >write a php script to perform analysis on that data. > >Does anybody know any functions in PHP which would help me > >to calculate mean. *snip* bad luck... AFAIK PHP has every function in the world except those. Try proding at the math functions - I haven't used them yet. If don't get anything there, we can implement it in PHP. If you need the functions to be fast - they should be; (PHP is about speed) we can implement it in C, and extend PHP. Perhaps, even get our modification incorporated. Regards, Amol Hatwar.

8 10

command line MP3 player??
by Gurpreet Singh 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

hey luggerz does anyone know of a mp3 player that can be run from the command prompt my system gets real slow on the gui and even slower if i play some media Gurpreet

7 6

[OT] [Commercial] Sort-term Professional courses at NCST
by Philip S Tellis 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

==================================================================== Short-Term Professional Education Courses at NCST ==================================================================== NCST is committed to India's role as a leader in software technology. Apart from carrying out R&D with a practical impact we also make a significant contribution to high quality education and training of professionals for the IT industry in India. NCST courses are highly valued for their balanced emphasis on core concepts as well as current technologies, and our Short-Term Professional Education (P.E.) courses are no exception. The details are available at the following address: http://www.ncst.ernet.in/education/advcourses/ Upcoming Short-Term Professional Education Courses at NCST Mumbai ----------------------------------------------------------------- Course | Date | Fees | Venue ------------------------------------------------------------------- Artificial Neural | September 16th - 20th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Networks | 2002 | | Kharghar | | | Unified Software | September 16th - 20th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Development Process | 2002 | | Juhu | | | Learning Management | September 23rd - 25th | Rs 4500/-| NCST, Systems | 2002 | | Kharghar | | | Assessment | October 16th - 18th | Rs 4500/-| NCST, Technologies | 2002 | | Kharghar | | | Intelligent | October 21st - 25th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Information Retrieval| 2002 | | Kharghar | | | Fundamentals of | November 11th - 15th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, COM | 2002 | | Juhu | | | Fundamentals of | November 11th - 15th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, COM | 2002 | | Juhu | | | Theory and Applns of | November 25th - 29th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Algorithms | 2002 | | Juhu | | | Graphics using OpenGL| February 3rd - 7th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, | 2003 | | Juhu | | | Computer Aided | March 24th - 28th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Geometric Design | 2003 | | Juhu | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------- * Prospective participants from recognised, academic institutions (such as IIT, VJTI, BITS, IISc., etc.) are eligible for a 50% waiver in the course fee for all the Professional Education (PE) courses announced by NCST. Such application forms should be accompanied by a certificate from the Departmental Head or Principal of the academic institution to certify that the participant is a bonafide employee working in the capacity of a Lecturer/Professor/Technical Head, etc.

1 0

RE: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Amarendra Godbole (Intl Vendor) 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

> windoz (dumb) ppl don't understand this , they are > addicted to it , they think windoz is GOD and Billu is > making money out of all this. Both the OSes' exist irrespective of our opinion about them. IMHO, these kind of statements are a bad advocacy. We should be `pro good' and not `anti something.' Just my 0.02 INR. --amar -- Amarendra A. Godbole / Microsoft ``Services For UNIX'' / These opinions are _MINE_. You are the sum total of the choices you make.

1 0

IIS / ISAPI group
by kshitijv 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi, Sorry for posting off topic message. But, I want to know if there are any similar user groups or mailing lists for IIS and ISAPI developers? can anybody give me some links for the same? -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

1 0

[ot] developer demographics
by Q u a s i 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

"A survey on demographics of open source developers. 98.9% male, 41.4% single, mostly in 20s, largest number aged 21, majority (48%) use Debian with Red Hat a distance second (13.8%), majority got involved in open source in second half of 1990s, 70% living in Europe." [quoted from a post on c.l.l]

1 0

PPTP client
by Chris Caughey 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi, Just wondering if you ever found the source of your problem referred to in the post below. I'm experiencing the same thing. Thanks, Chris Caughey [ILUG-BOM] PPTP client Girish Hanchate linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Thu Mar 28 15:10:06 2002 * Previous message: [ILUG-BOM] FETCHMAIL * Next message: [ILUG-BOM] Re: mail backup * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi, I am facing problem while installing PPTP client on Redhat linux 6.2. I installed pptp-linux-1.0.3-1.i386.rpm & ppp-mppe-2.4.0-4.i386.rpm. after installing when i start setup it gives me following error Insecure $ENV{ENV} while running with -T switch at /usr/sbin/pptp-command line 505, <STDIN> chunk 1 Rgds Girish

3 2

Image Support with PHP
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi guys, I am having an issue with generating images using PHP. When I include the PHP file(ex. graph.php), which generates the PNG image, in my current html file, it gives an error saying "Headers already sent". It then displays the image as ASCII text. This happens only when the include statement is preceeded by any html tags. if I remove the following statement from graph.php, it eliminates the error but still shows the image as ASCII text: 'header("Content-type: image/$this->img_format");' How do i make it work smoothly I am using the jpgraph 1.7 class library to generate the png images. Cheers Kapil Karekar

3 2

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Image Support with PHP
by Chandrashekhar Bhosle 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

I do it this way with jpgraph // create a cached image <?php date_chart($rows, "years.png"); ?>  <center><img src="jpgraph_cache/years.png"></center></br> <table>...</table> function date_chart($rows, $aCachedName) { $graph = new Graph(512,384,$aCachedName, 0, false); // .......... } Change jpgraph constants USE_CACHE, READ_CACHE and CACHE_DIR to enable caching and put appropriate permissions on the cache dir. - cnb On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:58:23 +0530 "Kapil Karekar" <kapil_karekar(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > Thanks for the reply. > In your mail you have mentioned that: "You can't send html tags before > displaying an image if > you're generating it in that script." > > However I need to display some results in a tabulated form and then show a > number of pie-charts based on those results. > > So there should be some way of interleaving html tags with dynamically > generated images. > > Any help will be really appreciated. > > Regards, > > Kapil > > > > >

1 0

diff approach.... popularize linux in our college
by Gurpreet Singh 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

>Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:57:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Diff approach......towards popularising linux in ur college >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > >--- Mitul Limbani <mitull(a)wrox.com> wrote: > > Well i have no issues on Saturdays .... >[snip] > Hello Luggers, > > Lemme add to the topic aldready under discussion. >Sometime ago Dr. Nagarjuna, Dinesh and me had been to >Sangli to conduct a 2 day WorkShop on gnu-linux. It >was quite an enriching experience and educatiing for >us too on various fronts. The enthusiasm of the >youngsters wanting to learn gnu-linux and being so >receptive to the idea of Free Software meant a lot to >all of us from the Ilug-Bom. [snip] only a handful of those ppl who attended the workshop are actually in touch with linux as of now and the rest have just forgotten it... reason-- those ppl were from the auto mobile branch and most of the comp branch guys didnt know abt it. we plan to do it exclusively for the comp sc. students who need things like these(as a part of there cirriculum). > > At the end of the workshop we had completed with half >of Hands on Installation for all of the students. And >i am pretty sure that some of them pple who Grasped >some of the Basics are still around. > > Instead of making it to the college again and >conducting another workshop, i should suggest that now >Rajaram Bapu College of Engineering form their own >Free-Software Cell which would consist of Like minded >pple interested in propogating the concept of Free >Software and also have an Open Forum for solving >Technical Problems related to Free Software >implementation all over their own college and the >surrounding colleges too. > [snip] we are from the lot that were there for the workshop and are very thankful to trevor and dr nag to introduce us to something as kewl as linux. but we are starters. we arent so well off with things that we can explain it to other ppl. i agree that we can introduce linux to ppl, but we wud need some experts to make things crystal clear and also to set up a fully equiped lab.. we have done as much as we cud by setting up a lab with a server for ftp and telnet but more needs to be done. we ourselves are having a few probs to which we need solutions.. SO PLZ I SUGGEST THAT LETS MAKE IT A COMBINED EFFORT, WE'LL HELP THE EXPERTS THAT COME BY TAKING UP PORTIONS OF THE WORKSHOP THAT WE ARE CONFIDENT WITH... I ALSO PROMISE A VERY GOOD RESPONSE THIS TIME. -Gurpreet > IF NEEDED, we can have a bootcamp in Bombay conducted >by the Ilug-Bom and SPEARHEADED by the luggers who >were ready to spare some time towards this noble >cause. This bootcamp could cover teaching some core >members of the College the core skills required to >setup/maintain the servers/setup of the Labs and also >indulge them in a HOWTO on setting up a local Free >Software grp in college. > > I think this is the right thing to do, since after a >2 day workshop @ Rajaram Bapu C.O.E by now some of the >core canidates should be bold enough to Spearhead the >Free Software Campaign with some amount Hand Holding > from our side. I > > I sincerely doubt re-conducting the whole workshop >episode again. > >Trevor Warren > > > > >

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] aint ny students keen on PRC..??
by Nikhil Karkera 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 Trevor Warren wrote : > Wat abt the rest of the world...??? Aint no students >interested...???? Hi Trevor, Below is my recent mail to Dr. Nagarjuna along with his reply. Didn't post this to the LUG. The mail was directed only to Dr. Nag, 'cause I stay in BARC, and could hop into HBCSE easily. However, I thought I should keep you informed. Warm Regards, Nikhil. On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:03:05PM -0000, Nikhil Karkera wrote: [snip] >I teach at a computer institute called "Amrita Institute of >Computer Technology (AICT)" which is located at Nerul, Navi >Mumbai. The institute conducts MSc. & BSc. degree courses in >"Software & Information Systems". These courses come under >Bhartihar University. > >The 2'nd year MSc. students have a 6-month full-time project as >part of their course curriculum for the final semester (Jan 2003 >- >June 2003). > >I have been following the discussions with regard to the PRC, >on >the LUG list. I am hoping to involve interested students from >the >institute with the PRC projects. However, I could not gather >much >about the kind of projects that the PRC would offer, what might >be >it's duration, etc. The students are keen to know. > >It would really help if a face-to-face discussion could be >arranged between the students and a mentor. Not only would such >a >session fulfill the purpose of answering their queries, it >would >also give the mentor a chance to evaluate the students and >direct >them to an appropriate project. > >I would be very greatful, if you could take some time off your >schedule for such a session. I think a discussion of 30 to 60 >minutes should suffice. The students are ready to come to >HBCSE. >You could give me some convinient time-slots wherein such a >discussion can be held, and I will make arrangements >accordingly. > >Many thanks, >Nikhil. > > I am now in Trivandrum, will reach Mumbai on 9th. Contact me on 9th afternoon, we will fix up soem time. Thanks Nagarjuna

1 0

Hangman anyone?
by Tahir Hashmi 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi! Does anyone have the text version of hangman? I tried google but nothing substantial turned up. (Uh, there was a 1.2 Meg *collection* of games and some BSD sources that didn't compile). Any ideas folks? -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

1 0

qmail delivery
by Girish Hanchate 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi, We are designing mailing setup for our offices. We are planing to use qmail as smtp for our all offices. Our setup will be having one IDC server which will be on R.H linux qmail & 15 branch offices server will which be also on R.H qmail. I have one doubt on qmail mail delivery, suppose my bracnh server users are sending single mail to 10 users will that mail travels 10 times to my IDC server or it will travels as a one single mail to IDC my server ? We will using outgoing SMTP server for all branches as a IDC server. Rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

1 0

command mode screen-saver
by Nikhil Joshi 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

hi! I've observed that in character mode the monitor screen blanks if the PC is left unattended for some 10-15 mins. where is this setting located ? As a non-privileged user i gave this command: $ setterm -powersave powerdown -powerdown 1 but the monitor doesn't turn off after 1 min. Also has anyone used a screensaver for character mode? P.S. I'm beginning to luv char mode God help me !! ;) -- Nikhil

2 1

Enabling AGP support on my Intel 850 with nVidia VANTA
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi, For some reason AGP stays disabled in my kernel, according to /proc. Does that mean anything? My card was correctly recognised and configured by XFree86 4. I had compiled AGP support into my kernel, not as a module. trantor5:~# cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status Status: Disabled trantor5:~# cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/card Fast Writes: Not Supported SBA: Not Supported AGP Rates: 4x 2x 1x Registers: 0x1f000007:0x00000000 trantor5:~# cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge Host Bridge: Intel i850 Fast Writes: Supported SBA: Supported AGP Rates: 4x 2x 1x Registers: 0x1f000217:0x00000000 trantor5:~# cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.18/ trantor5:/usr/src/linux-2.4.18# grep AGP .config CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y # CONFIG_AGP_I810 is not set <-- could this be the problem? # CONFIG_AGP_VIA is not set # CONFIG_AGP_AMD is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SIS is not set # CONFIG_AGP_ALI is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SWORKS is not set trantor5:/usr/src/linux-2.4.18# uname -a Linux trantor5 2.4.18 #4 Sat Aug 31 14:23:24 IST 2002 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sheriff Chameleotoptor sighed with an air of weary sadness, and then turned to Doppelgutt and said 'The Senator must really have been on a bender this time -- he left a party in Cleveland, Ohio, at 11:30 last night, and they found his car this morning in the smokestack of a British aircraft carrier in the Formosa Straits.' -- Grand Panjandrum's Special Award, 1985 Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest.

1 0

Attn programmers: support offered [FLOSS-Sarai Initiative]
by Frederick Noronha 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Dear friends, Can we manage to get some money into backing Free/Libre Open Source Software initiatives, that would help young volunteers out there to support their cash-strapped initiatives? Sarai.net, a Delhi-based initiative under the CSDS (Centre for the Study of Developing Societies) has been solidly supportive of such an idea. Jeebesh Bagchi <jeebesh(a)sarai.net> sent in this offer recently. It could surely be of help particularly to college students and others wanting to make a break in Free Software/Open Source, but hamstrung by resources. It might help if projects are initially kept small and definitely workable, I guess. This is my own gut-level feeling, but maybe bigger initiatives which are clearly workable could also prove convincing. If such experiments prove useful, maybe there would be a good case for greater support to free software/open source developers in regions like ours. --FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Sarai Programme, Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi (www.sarai.net) invites applications for Support Grants to projects in the area of Free Software, Open Source Software and Social Usage of Software Sarai invites programmers (practictioners as well as students) to propose projects in the area of free and open source software applications relevant to educational, social and community needs. We are looking for original ideas, as well as proposals to localize and adapt existing software and applications to South Asian conditions, For example - Desktops in Hindi, Open Office and Gimp in Hindi. Lighter versions of desktops like KDE, Innovations that creatively optimises older lower configuration machines, Linux documentation in Hindi, games using local context, etc. What is Sarai Sarai is a public initiative of media practitioners and scholars looking at media cultures and urban life. Sarai's interests are in the field of old and new media, information and communication technologies, free software, cinema, and urban space - its politics, built form, ecology, culture and history, with a strong commitment to making knowledge available in the public domain. It is a programme of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi. For more information visit www.sarai.net. Sarai is committed to promoting the free software and open source vision. Conditions: Applicants should be resident in India, and should have a bank account in any bank operating in India. These are support grants and grantees will be free to pursue their primary occupations, if any. Mail your project proposal, workplan and CV to both the following addresses: <application(a)sarai.net> with a copy to <fred(a)bytesforall.org>. Please mark your subjectline 'FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) Initiative'. Also point out what you see as the relevance of your work, and how you plan to share the resultant software once finalised. Enquires: dak(a)sarai.net Last date for submission: October 15th, 2002. Note: Proposals from teams, partnerships, collectives, faculty are welcome, so long as the grant amount is administered by a single individual, and the funds are deposited in a single bank account in the name of an individual. -------------------------------------------------------

1 0

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Statistical Analysis in PHP
by Amol Hatwar 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 Philip S Tellis wrote : >On 29 Aug 2002, Amol Hatwar wrote: > > > If you need the functions to be fast - they should be; (PHP is >about > > speed) we can implement it in C, and extend PHP. Perhaps, even >get our > >AFAIK, PHP is nowhere near as fast as C (and friends), LISP, >Perl, Ruby >and Python. Philip :), give me something authoritative to believe you. And besides that my mail wasn't even about what is fast! Regards, -ah.

3 2

Open Source + Government
by Frederick Noronha 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

Thanks to Sunil Abraham of Bangalore for posting this across to the BytesForAll mailing list. FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear B4A Readers, Venezuela's Government Shifts to Open Source Software: The announcement, made on Wednesday, stated that from now on, all software developed for the government must be licenced under the GPL. The entire policy was summed up in this statement by Dr. Felipe P�rez-Mart�, Planning and Development Minister: "Open source whenever possible, propietary software only when necesary." http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-08-30-011-26-NW-LL-PB Open-Source Government One thing most technology experts can agree on is that California's state government has squandered billions on ill-conceived information-technology (IT) projects in recent years. Whether it was the more than $100 million in taxpayer funds that state authorities admit were wasted on the state's automated child-support system or the more recent purchase of thousands of unneeded software licenses from Oracle, the sorry record is painfully clear. California desperately needs a more workable IT plan. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2002/08/29/osg… Thanks, Sunil ===== Sunil Abraham [MAHITI] 314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur Bangalore - 560 071 Karnataka, INDIA Ph/Fax: +91 80 5352003. Pager: 9624 279519 sunil(a)mahiti.org http://www.mahiti.org _______________________________________________ Bytesforall_Readers mailing list Bytesforall_Readers(a)mail.sarai.net https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/bytesforall_readers

1 0

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux CD
by Amol Hatwar 31 Aug '02

31 Aug '02

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a wrote : >Hi, > >You can get it from IndiaInfoTech.org . > >Dhiraj Thakur & Sheetal Chopra are doing a great job by serving >the >free software community with latest linux distros at affordable >costs. > >I got Debian 3.0 at just Rs 50/- a CD. >Thats real cheap & affordable as student *snip* I got the same at 30/- at linuxplaza.org. And yes Prahant Shah does a good job too. -ah

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] whats = do in syslog.conf
by akshaysalkar 31 Aug '02

31 Aug '02

but thats the same as mail.info why put the = ?? linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: hello akshay, akshaysalkar writes: > Does any one know what '=' does in the syslog.conf? > > well i know the reg. exps. *, ! etc. but could not really understand the 'man' about '='. > The equation sign specifies the priority of that particular facility. Let's see the following entry for eg.

2 1

Linux CD
by Linux Group 31 Aug '02

31 Aug '02

Hello, Can anyone tell from where I can get the Redhat 7.3 or SuSe Linux CD ?? Thanks __________________________________________________________ Give your Company an email address like ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro today! Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/

3 2

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Cd
by Amol Hatwar 31 Aug '02

31 Aug '02

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 Abhijeet More wrote : >Hi, >For the GNU/linux cds, >check http://www.linuxplaza.org ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AFAIK Will give you CDs for Rs. 30/- each! Plus, I got them on Samsung media. ;) Jeet. Amol Hatwar.

1 0

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Statistical Analysis in PHP
by Amol Hatwar 31 Aug '02

31 Aug '02

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 Kapil Karekar wrote : >I have tried scouring the net for statistical functions in php. >No luck 8~( > >Can you sugest any alternative methods which can be integrated >with PHP. As I had said earlier... make your own functions in PHP. If they prove to be slow make a dynamic module in C so that the function becomes native to PHP. In the later method your code and the function itself will run faster. If you need any help regarding this ... get in touch with me OFF_LIST! Amol Hatwar.

1 0

can mails be accessed via SSL?
by akshaysalkar 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

can mails be accessed via SSL? say want to fetch the mails from VSNL and i use netscape messenger and if i try enabling SSL .? will it work? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

2 1

Linux Classes
by Linux Group 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

Hello Everybody, Can anybody tell me which and where is the Good Class for Linux in Mumbai which will clear all the funda?? Also one can try for Certification then ??? Thanks __________________________________________________________ Give your Company an email address like ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro today! Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/

2 1

NEWS: Grassroots push for 'open source' in Indian software
by Frederick Noronha 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

India-Tech/Development-Bangalore Grassroots push for 'open source' in Indian software By Frederick Noronha BANGALORE, Aug 26 (IANS): 'Open source' and free software could open up new windows of opportunity both for coders in the Indian software power-house, and also to benefit those on the wrong side of the digital divide. Soaring global software prices, tightening anti-piracy laws and even just the ethical edge it promises is pushing campaigners from across the country to lobby with international organisations and governments for the greater use of 'non-proprietorial' software. Increasingly, a small but growing band of 'free software' and open-source advocates are pushing for a greater emphasis to this form of software. Unlike proprietorial software, open-source can be freely copied and shared across computers. "If we calculate the actual cost (of pirated software being used in the ... country) India would lose a significant chunk of its billions earned from its software earnings," argues mahiti.org CEO Sunil Abraham. mahiti.org is a Bangalore-based non-profit organisation that works to 'affordable and simple' solutions to the non-governmental and non-profit sector. Bangalore's NGO sector is rather active, while this city is also considered the software Mecca and sometimes called India's Silicon Valley. Such a trend pushing towards 'open source' was visible during a United Nations Development Programme-organised meet to shape a UNDP-Government of India country programme on information and communication technologies (ICTs) for development held here on the weeked. Dominant global players, represented by firms like Microsoft, are hard-pressed to swim against the 'open source' demands. "Every technology has its pluses and minuses. If you find it is suitable for your purposes, go ahead and use it (open source software). But do an evaluation first. Don't be biased. Nothing is really free," argued Microsoft's manager for technical services in North India, Punya Palit. "It's not just the 'operating system' that is available, but some 1500 application softwares that come along with it," said Pune-based Systems Research Institute executive director Jagdish G Krishnayya. He pointed to the potential of software like Linux, which is getting increasingly noticed. 'Open source' or free software refers to non-proprietorial software that often allows its users to copy the programme across many computers, meaning that the cost of the software often plunges to unbelievable lows. Its proponents argue that while this may at first seem as affecting the viability of software businesses, it would throw open vast new fields to software usage in time to come. "Instead of spending money running after software piracy, the Government of India should spend the funds to promote open source software (which would also bring down piracy of proprietorial software)," Abraham argues. Other initiatives also give hint of the potential sought to be tapped in the field of open source software. Recently, UNDP's offices in the US were on the lookout for suitable Indian participants for a global conference, to be held in October at Washington-DC, on the use of 'open source for e-governance'. Delhi-based alternative organisation Sarai, affiliated to the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS), along with a forum of lawyers in Bangalore and mahiti.org, plan to build a 'copyleft registry'. This would list all resources which are publicly accessible and freely reproduceable -- thus promoting its sharing, while at the same time protecting the rights of the person who created the work. But Abraham argues that public money -- spent on research institutions and universities -- should go towards building software that remains publicly-accessible, and thus 'open source'. He also points out that big names worldwide -- including Nasa, Nato and Walt Disney -- were going in for open source software, and there was no justification for India not. NGO workers and IT specialists also point to other related issues that block the power of computing in a country like India. Besides the software blocks, there are other factors hampering the greater use of computers in this country of a thousand million people but where PCs sold each year are barely two million or less. Computing was not benefiting the commonman because it was being divided by multiple standards, multiple vendors, its too-expensive nature, solutions that don't fit Indian requirements, and more importantly the lack of adequate and affordable local language technologies, it was pointed out. "There is this hype created by computer vendors that hardware needs to be updated constantly," says Government of Madhya Pradesh commissioner for family welfare Aruna Sharma, agreeing at this meet in some way on the need for countries like India to look to alternatives to battle the so-called 'digital divide' that excludes the poor from the power of computing. Pointing to other options coming up, Dr P Venkatachalam of the Indian Institute of Technology (Mumbai) said that India expects to have satellites that would offer hi-tech 'cartosat' information with detailed images in some two years time. But, he cautioned, the country would probably have not yet built up enough capacity and skills to make optimal use of such images, which could have considerable applications in rural areas and development. As this workshop pushed the attention on using ICTs for development, Government of India's Department of IT e-governance director S.P.Singh said fishermen in parts of the country -- particularly the southern Maharashtra coast -- were already using suitable technology. Some in Ratnagiri, coastal Maharashtra, had gained some access to low-cost fish-finders, global-positioning systems that identified their location and communication equipment which was being used to boost fish-catches.

1 0

whats = do in syslog.conf
by akshaysalkar 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

Does any one know what '=' does in the syslog.conf? well i know the reg. exps. *, ! etc. but could not really understand the 'man' about '='. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

2 1

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Samba file server.
by akshaysalkar 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

u can enable shares for samba in [homes] section and for windows by enabling the share of the drive or directory. linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: Hi, I had setup a samba file server for my corporate. and it is functioning well. I need some help on setting up path to a share. ie, the executable programs like foxpro, norton utilites,I need to set the path while logging into the server. Is there any way to do this. Pls anyone advice me. thanks in advance Rajesh. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

1 0

2024

2023

2022

2021

2020

2019

2018

2017

2016

2015

2014

2013

2012

2011

2010

2009

2008

2007

2006

2005

2004

2003

2002

2001

Linuxers