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Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Talking about giving out your email IDs to an unknown service... Well Yahoo, Google, etc.. were all unknown when they first started off. Weren't they? Yahoo! does ask for your alternate email ID. Does it not? Now what if they start giving off the alternate ID to spammers or some such elements? What happens then? You start victimizing all those poor souls? I have used Meebo, and I know people who still actively use it. NEVER ONCE have they felt comromised by Meebo. Obviously that does not make Meebo the example of honesty and purity, but it does call for some respect. I need to use Meebo, because I think most IM clients for GNU/Linux are useless. Yes useless. The list includes GNU Freetalk, GAIM, Kopete, X-Chat, Irssi, etc.. I know this sounds obnoxious but I will give you my reasons for saying this. I spend most of my time on the Internet behind a firewall that is very restrictive and seems to have most of the ports (including Jabber, IRC) blocked. But the thing is the Yahoo! messenger for WIndoze and GTalk client for Windoze all work. They both work just like that... out of the box. But GAIM does not, neither does Freetalk, neither does Kopete. I know there is no magic involved (this list had once lectured me on this... although I was never told something I did not know before). The apparent reason is that the ports used by these clients all seem to be blocked. But then why does the Windoze clients not get any obstruction? Why? Obviously the Jabber, Yahoo, MSN, etc. protocols have nothing to do with WIndoze or GNU/Linux. But the thing is that it does NOT work on GNU/Linux. Why??? I am not an expert on these protocols. Atleast not yet. Maybe I will become one soon, but the fact is why cant one use GAIM to do Gtalk, Yahoo, Jabber when on the same network people are having a gala time using the same services on Windoze? Why?? This where Meebo comes in. If we want to popularise GNU/Linux, then it is not a GREAT idea to tell people: "Hey this is Free Software, use it. Its great, its secure, its cooler. But give up chatting." For the non-wizard Meebo is the saviour. One cant explain a non-wizard the intricacies of firewalls, ports, etc.. They (to some extent that includes me) just need a working system. At the end of it all, I still use GNU Freetalk and BitchX and Irssi but I have to do it by sshing into a public shell server, but thats a solution which cant be applied to all. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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DHCP but no server
by Rony Bill 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Hello All, Today I tried out an experiment on a client's cablenet connection in windows. It was a pppoe connection with no static or dynamic ip assigned to the ethernet card, only a list of dns servers. By default the card was set to dhcp but since there was no dhcp server existing, the system would take time to search for a server before loading the full desktop. After a futile search, windows by default assigns a fake ip of 169.XXX.168.XXX and a mask of 255.255.0.0. The real ip, gateway is assigned by the pppoe. I set the system to static ip and gave the same fake ip and subnet. This solved the problem of the system hanging around for dhcp and the pppoe would then do its required job of enabling internet access. The same trick could be tried out for linux based systems in similar cablenet situations so that they don't hang around for dhcp servers. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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[COMMERCIAL] Linux System and Device Driver Programming from Professionals
by Concepts Systems 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

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REVIEW: Building clouds... in cyberspace
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Building clouds... in cyberspace -- Building Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP Jim Bumgardner O'Reilly Ebook in PDF format 2006 ISBN: 0596527942 Pp 48 $9.99 US, $12.99 CAN http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/tagclouds/ -- Review by Frederick Noronha Tag clouds? What are those? O'Reilly's new e-book 'Building Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP' by Jim Bumgardner explains a concept every serious user of cyberspace would have at least heard of. Says Bumbardner: "Tag clouds are everywhere on the Web these days. First popularized by the web sites Flickr, Technorati, and del.icio.us, these amorphous clumps of words now appear on a slwe of web sites as visual evidence of their membership in the elite corps of 'Web 2.0'." Wikipedia says: "A tag cloud (more traditionally known as a weighted list in the field of visual design) is a visual depiction of content tags used on a website. Often, more frequently used tags are depicted in a larger font or otherwise emphasized, while the displayed order is generally alphabetical. Thus both finding a tag by alphabet and by popularity is possible. Selecting a single tag within a tag cloud will generally lead to a collection of items that are associated with that tag." If you're a content person like this reviewer, why bother at all about all this stuff? As long as I get my neatly-laid out keywords that give me a clue of what's where, why worry? But then, someone has to do the job of getting the tag clouds to work. And that's where this book is born out of a need. It may be a fad. But one which has "real merits" when used popularly, as Bumgardner explains. This e-book analyses what is and isn't a tag cloud. It offers design tips for using them effectively, and also shows how to collect tags and display them in the tag cloud format. Interesting background on issues like craiglist's weighted cities list, and statistically improbable phrases (SIPs) or capitalized phrases (CAPs) lists provided by Amazon.com. SIP has word order corelating to the improbability of the phrase. In the CAP list, the word order relates to the frequency with which the phrase appears in the book. After some interesting history about tag clouds -- which takes us to Flickr (who doesn't know this photography-sharing web site?), tag roots in the blogging community, and Jim Flanagan's Zeitgeist idea -- things start to get technical. There's code, graphs and how-tos.Time for me to leave it to techies, who prefer raw coding to merely writing book reviews!

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YUM and Pirut
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

I find both YUM and Pirut quite slow as compared to APT and Synaptic. I don't think this has anything to do with my Internet connection, since I have used APT (and Synaptic) on the very same machine and connection as YUM and Pirut. Is this really an issue with YUM? Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by BombayNews 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

Wouldn't it be better if someone took a simple version of linux like Ubuntu Dapper (actually that's the only flavor I know!!) threw in another CD with Automatix, PLF repositories and a few desktop icons that can be installed with one click after OS is fired up. Suddenly the first-time user of linux would have a very workable competitor to Windows XP. What do people here think of this? Shiv Kumar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 07 Aug '06

07 Aug '06

>> trouble with its Wifi, one had trouble with both its CD-ROM and Wifi, >> and one has issues with the sound-card. >> >> None of these are highly sophisticated H/W (imagine trouble with CD-ROM). >> > I would just have returned those as defective. *If it doesn't work, > return it*. > Your problem was most likely with the motherboard though. But in atleast two of the cases the problem got solved with the very latest versions of GNU/Linux. The Wifi card which was not working in FC5 started functioning in Ubuntu Dapper and the latest Knoppix, while the unresponsive CD-ROM had no problems in the latest Knoppix. It is true that geeks & hackers with some effort can fix most of these issues. I don't claim to be a geek, but I feel even those belonging to the 'uber' class would not always have the time to manually rectify their hardware problems. After all, 'out-of-the-box' is a good thing to have, and Ubuntu has achieved it to a large extent. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 06 Aug '06

06 Aug '06

> I always thought that as time has gone by, driver support for > GNU/Linux (barring a few troublesome manufacturers like ATI, Lexmark, > etc.) has been fairly good. What kind of drivers are you talking about > that should be sold on CDs? > If you're talking about driver CDs like you have for motherboards, > mice, etc then that's the manufacturer's headache. Generally every > distro that is released has up-to-date drivers for the latest hardware > (provided they're stable). What more are you looking for? Although it may appear so, it is not so simple always. Acer is one manufacturer whose hardware is always troublesome on GNU/Linux. It might be Acer's fault that they ship non-standard H/W, but I feel the FOSS world needs to do something about this. I have seen 4 Acer systems, all laptops. One whose battery was not detected, one had trouble with its Wifi, one had trouble with both its CD-ROM and Wifi, and one has issues with the sound-card. None of these are highly sophisticated H/W (imagine trouble with CD-ROM). Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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GNU Sourceinstall
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 06 Aug '06

06 Aug '06

Following is taken from today's digest from info-gnu announcing release of GNU Sourceinstall 2.2: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:01:33 -0400 From: Claudio Fontana <claudio(a)gnu.org> Subject: Source Installer 2.2 released To: info-gnu(a)gnu.org Message-ID: <20060805070133.GA7147@fencepost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GNU Source Installer 2.2 released --------------------------------- This is to announce the availability of libsrcinst-2.2, sourceinstall-2.2, sourceinstall-gtk-2.2. GNU Source Installer is a package manager for GNU policies-compliant source packages. This release offers bugfixes and new functionality. For a complete list of changes, see the ChangeLogs for each component: http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/sourceinstall2/libsrcinst/ChangeLog?roo… http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/sourceinstall2/sourceinstall/ChangeLog?… http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/sourceinstall2/sourceinstall-gtk/Change… For more information see the home page at http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall or the project page at http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/sourceinstall Downloads are available on ftp.gnu.org: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/libsrcinst-2.2.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-2.2.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.2.tar.gz Install in this order. Signatures: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/libsrcinst-2.2.tar.gz.sig ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-2.2.tar.gz.sig ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.2.tar.gz.sig Signed by Claudio Fontana: http://savannah.gnu.org/users/sick_soul You can keep up with the latest development code by using CVS (see savannah project page), or fetching the latest CVS builds on ftp.gnu.org. -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> wont be able to do it - give her mandrake or ubuntu and it will be a > breeze. Debian GNU/Linux is even difficult to pronounce let alone > install. I wonder why they dont say Ubuntu GNU/Linux or Redhat GNU/ > Linux or Umm.... my Chinese friend finds it difficult to pronounce your name, or for that matter mine. That does not mean its difficult to converse with him. Atleast I don't find so. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> What's ubergeeks? (Kdict could not find it for me ;) ) Uber stands for 'super' in German, I suppose. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu
by kunal gangar 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

Hello, I am also using Pacenet internet in Mumbai. I have installed Novell's Suse Enterprise Linux and haven't been able to connect to the net. Please tell me how do I connect it? I have installed etherenet but im not able to know the numbers. Any help would be appreciated. Regards. Kunal Gangar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> huh? i usually use yum to install stuff. for drivers i download the RPMs > and install them if they're not provided by yum. Rest other times its > generally: ./configure && make && make install for me :). Also, there > was something called as sourceinstall. A nice project. Dont knnow what > became of it. Sourceinstall is still being developed. Its a GNU package now and Clauio Fontana is the maintainer. Although I do not use due to my storage limitations, I have seen brisk activity on the sourceinstall lists. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Roshan 05 Aug '06

05 Aug '06

> Its mainly the applications .. i dont think the os > is of importance to > people as long as they can get their work done and > find help when > needed. Arent' there enough applications in most distros. It is a long list. > Linux will take off in a big way if the big distro > manufacturers like > RedHat ( Fedora ) and Novel ( Open SuSe ) provide > self installing driver > packages for their distros based on the latest > available motherboards. Fair enough. > GNU/Linux is only for geeks - that too, ubergeeks. > Because only a > ubergeek can distinguish between GNU/Linux and linux > - or worry about > the difference. What's ubergeeks? (Kdict could not find it for me ;) ) > For the rest are things like Ubuntu, > Mandriva, Suse > which work out of the box - the only thing > preventing them from > dominating is inertia Do they for every hardware? > No, not quality but compatibility. What will they do > with a free OS that will not > be 100% compatible to their needs? Yes, compatibility with different hardware. For any _normal_ user who surfs the web, uses Word Processor, spreadsheet cannot sit down and type commands to configure different hardware. Looking at the replies to the list, 1. Techies should not be lazy to migrate 2. Extensive Driver support and hardware compatibility for devices is required. 3. Software / Applications are compatible. But users need to be informed that .odt (or .sxw) and .doc are file formats for OOo and MS-Office. But OOo have wide variety of options. There's Kopete / GAIM for IM. 4. Awareness in general terms of what is "free" and what is "quality". 5. Community support and awareness through modes that would reach many. (FM Radio / Magazines / TV?) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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FC5 64-bit DVD needed
by Mahesh Gurav 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

Hi, I am new to this group and I need the FC5 64-bit DVD. Is there anyone who can give it to me. My e-mail id is leomahesh02(a)yahoo.com Any help will be highly appreciated. Thank you. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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Sorry
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

Please ignore my last post. It was a mistake on my part. Apologies, Debarshi -- , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / ): :( :o_o: "-" Copyright (C) 2001, Free Software Foundation, Inc. http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-ascii.html

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CVS Update
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

The CVS has been updated. a. bug-fixes in relationtype.py b. getAttributes() removed from baseclass.py c. getNeighbourhood() enhanced to do the job of getAttributes Happy hacking, Debarshi -- , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / ): :( :o_o: "-" Copyright (C) 2001, Free Software Foundation, Inc. http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-ascii.html

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Regarding a Library Function in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.0 (Manoj Bohara)
by Manoj Bohara 04 Aug '06

04 Aug '06

Hello everybody , I am porting an application from hp-ux to red hat enterprise linux 3.0 . in one of the source codes there is this conversion done of a decimal number to a number with a given base . which is called the string representation of the decimal number . the function is ltoastr . syntax : ltoastr(long integer , base ) ex : ltoastr(157 . 16) . this is will convert the number 157 to its base 16 representation . this is a library function and its in HP-Unix . i need a similar function which provides the same functionality in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.0 . I am trying to find t it . However if anyone knows about it would you plz pass on the same information at manoj.bohara(a)wipro.com . I will be highly obliged . Regards Manoj Bohar wipro technologies . Manoj Bohara "If we try , we risk failure but if we don't we ensure it . " --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] YUM and Pirut
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

>>> I find both YUM and Pirut quite slow as compared to APT and >>> Synaptic. I don't think this has anything to do with my Internet >>> connection, since I have used APT (and Synaptic) on the very same >>> machine and connection as YUM and Pirut. Is this really an issue >>> with YUM? >> >> With Yum IMO. Pirut uses Yum. > Thats right. Rohan, yes, yum is pretty slow compared to apt. Why dont > you install apt for fedora? When I first started this thread few days back, my objective was not to find a faster alternative for YUM on Fedora. I had been using Synaptic and APT on Fedora Core 2, but stopped doing so after upgrading to FC5. Partly due to my laziness, and partly due to the fact that I read APT support will slowly be discontinued in Fedora. After all if YUM is being promoted (Pirut was written for YUM replacing system-config-packages) by the Fedora Project, it should have something in it after all. What I would like to know is WHY YUM is slower than APT is at all it is. Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Anyone going for FOSS.IN -> 3 people
by Kartik Mistry 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

On 7/30/06, Mitul Limbani <mitul(a)enterux.com> wrote: > 70+ ppl, hmm lets start with the count. > > > 1) Anand (fill your email) 2) Mitul Limbani <mitul(a)enterux.com> > > > if ((going_to_foss_2006) && (from_mumbai)) > { > echo "Your name and email"; echo "Increment Subject line counter by 1"; > } > else { echo "dont bother"; > } +1 Kartik Mistry but may be by --------f---l---y-------> -- Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------- Kartik Mistry | kartik.freemind.in 0xD1028C8D | kartikm.wordpress.com -----------------------------------------------------------

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Error executing brlmonitor.....
by Naveen Kumar 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

Hi, I am getting the following error when try to execute brlmonitor cmk-ossd-moebiuscurve:/home/naveenk# /usr/lib/gnopernicus/brlmonitor -p 1089 -m braille ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (brlmonitor:2812): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. uid mismatch uid mismatch ...................... ...................... uid mismatch uid mismatch (brlmonitor:2812): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Can not open socket! (brlmonitor:2812): gnopernicus-CRITICAL **: file brlmon.c: line 220 (main): assertion `rv' failed ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please help me with the solution................. -- Naveen Kumar Project Engineer Open Source Software Division( http://ossrc.org.in/ ) C-DAC Mumbai ( http://www.cdacmumbai.in/ ) ( http://moebiuscurve.livejournal.com/ )

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Software for drawing graphs.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

Hi, Is there a GNU/Linux package that can draw graphs of values dynamically generated by a program? Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Survey on FLOSS - please help
by Vickram Crishna 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

http://flossworld.org/survey/dev_open.php I got a mail from Rishab Aiyer Ghosh about this survey: please do publicise and encourage people to fill it in wherever possible, it seems India is one out of 8 countries surveyed, where the response has been quite inadequate so far. Possibly this survey has been posted here before, but clearly it didn't have enough effect, so please excuse me for posting the link again, in that case. --- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Routing between 2 private networks.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

> Did you try man route ?? I did. You must have seen the link I attached (proof of an attempt to do my home-work). I would not have asked if I understood how to execute the solution given there. > Please do your home work well before posting on list. > Here for your ignorance am pasting output directly from "man route" You are making unnecessary presumptions. I might not know a lot about routing tables, but I dont like being addressed like this. . > route add -net 192.57.66.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw ipx4 [root@Sunflower ~]# route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw ipx4 ipx4: Host name lookup failure [root@Sunflower ~]# Thats what I get. > This command adds the net "192.57.66.x" to be gatewayed through the > former route to the SLIP interface." I read this line. I dont know what is SLIP. Would this enable the packets to return successfully to the 192.168.0.x network? They are able to reach the 172.16.16.x network from 192.168.0.x but enable to return back. > What does he do if he reboots the server or restarts the network service? Fortunately I know how to do this. One has to make an entry into one of the start-up scripts in /etc/init.d/... or /etc/rc.d... I dont remember the exact file, but I think I will be able to do it. Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Ubuntu 6.06 DVD
by Vivek J. Patankar 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

Does anyone have the DVD release of Dapper Drake? Please mail me off list if you would be able to burn me a copy. -- Regards Vivek Registered Linux User #374218 Livin' The iLife ~ http://www.ilifenet.net

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The most active GLUG in Bangalore ??
by suhas prabhu 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

Dear GLUGers, Can anyone please tell me which is the most active GLUG in Bangalore ?? I have recently shifted to Bangalore and I miss the Mumbai LUG very much. I did search on the net but blug.in seems to be old and not-so-updated. Also it seems to be inactive.... Please help. Regards, Suhas

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Software for drawing graphs.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

> xmgrace..(now called. grace)...but i have found gnuplot to be more appealing > and robust..... > Harish Thanks to you too... Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software for drawing graphs.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

Thanks to Kenneth and Prasanta for the help. I had heard about GNUPlot before from Atanuda (don't know whether he is on the list or not), but never knew about PIL. Will try it out though. Thanks a lot, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Routing between 2 private networks.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

http://www.tutorialsall.com/SLACKWARE/routing-between/ I have exactly the problem as the one in the above link. I also believe that the solution (the one by Eric Hameleers) is also the same: "configure your internet router with an additional return static route for the "hidden" network segment". The current status of the router (a FC5 box): [root@Sunflower ~]# echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [root@Sunflower ~]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:C0:9F:4A:62:A8 inet addr:172.16.16.144 Bcast:172.16.19.255 Mask:255.255.252.0 inet6 addr: fe80::2c0:9fff:fe4a:62a8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:149195 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:10836 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:16685165 (15.9 MiB) TX bytes:3077530 (2.9 MiB) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xc800 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:F1:36:27:6F inet addr:192.168.0.144 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::20c:f1ff:fe36:276f/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:11971 errors:393 dropped:385 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:9938 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:3405233 (3.2 MiB) TX bytes:3280636 (3.1 MiB) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe000 Memory:e0204000-e0204fff lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:14811 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:14811 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:10120532 (9.6 MiB) TX bytes:10120532 (9.6 MiB) [root@Sunflower ~]# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 172.16.16.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.252.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 0.0.0.0 172.16.16.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 [root@Sunflower ~]# I need machines on the 192.168.0.x network to be able to access the proxy 172.16.16.2 on the 172.16.16.x network. The router is 172.16.16.144. I have set 192.168.0.144 as the gateway on the 192.168.0.x machines. The machines on the 192.168.0.x network can ping each other, can ping 172.16.16.144, but not any other machine on 172.16.16.x. It seems that the outward packets are getting routed but they are lost on the way back to the 192.168.0.x network. What would be the exact 'route' command to fix this. I would like to avoid the iptables/ipchains and the NAT way of setting this up. Please help. Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Fw: [silk] flossworld survey of indian FLOSS community
by Devdas Bhagat 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

----- Forwarded message from Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <rishab(a)dxm.org> ----- From: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <rishab(a)dxm.org> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:01:35 +0200 To: India-Gii <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Cc: silklist(a)lists.hserus.net Subject: [silk] flossworld survey of indian FLOSS community X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Reply-To: silklist(a)lists.hserus.net hi all, for the people here involved in the indian free software/open source community, i'd appreciate it if you could help publicise this survey we're conducting as part of the FLOSSWORLD project (flossworld.org) - we're studying 8 countries with customised but comparable surveys, and india is one of them with a poor response so far. please post it to LUGs, project mailing lists etc where you haven't seen it already? http://flossworld.org/survey/dev_open.php thanks a lot! best, rishab ----- End forwarded message -----

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cgi images not showing up
by ryan coelho 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Hi, I am not able to get an image in my cgi / html script Contains cgi shell scripts not perl but if anyone has perl is also a welcome Can anyone help please ..... Regards Ryan

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Hindawi@Linux now available for download
by Abhishek Choudhary 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

The first ever complete Indic computer programming suite has now been successfully ported to Linux. It supports Hindi BASIC, Hindi C, Hindi C++, Hindi Java (tm), Hindi LEX, Hindi YACC, and Hindi ASSEMBLY languages. Hindawi@Linux also includes an email client to send and receive mail in Hindi using Romenagri. This has a benefit that those who have this client will see the Hindi email in Devnagri, while all other mail clients will show it in the Roman / Rose script. Currently available clients would show garbage if the proper encoding was not available. Kindly visit the following link for screen shots and downloads. http://www.indicybers.com/HindawiLinux/ You may contact Abhishek Choudhary, the developer of Hindawi, Romenagri and related software at hi_pedler(a)yahoo.com or call him on +91-9980340138 (for support please email; congratulatory calls are welcome and so are contributory calls). Regards, Abhishek

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misleading advertisement
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Dear Ms Fletcher I am in possession of your mailed offer advertising PC guides entitled "At Home With Your PC". On reading this, together with the sample guides enclosed, it appears that the material you are selling (at a huge discount from the advertised price) is a 'helpful guide' aimed at home users of personal computers running versions of the Microsoft Windows operating systems. However, this clarification appears nowhere in the text of the offer, which only refers to PCs as though the term 'PC' implies solely such devices. There is no mention at all of GNU/Linux or Macintosh or any other widely used operating system for personal computers, which in themselves are not (for your information) confined to a single operating system, and definitely not solely to versions of a proprietary operating system that constitute a virtual monopoly of consumer's mindspace, probably due in large part to such misleading public messages purveyed by prominent media organisations. In fact, you do not even mention the trademark 'Microsoft Windows' or its equivalent, thus implying in substance that there are no alternative systems in existence. It is only on reading the 'sample guides' in detail that it becomes clear that your offer relates only to use of Microsoft Windows and additional computer applications such as Microsoft Word and Microsoft Excel sold by the same company. In very fine print (and at right angles to the normal text), the guide pages carry a certificate that the content of the guide has information pertinent to home users of computers running Windows 95 (not correctly trademarked Microsoft Windows 95) and above. There is no such disclaimer in the text or margins of your offer letter. I find this a shocking misuse of the goodwill that the Reader's Digest has built up over the years, one that supports free choice for the consumer to purchase goods and services, without being misguided by the media. I am copying this mail, in protest, to public service lists relating to the use of computers in India, and to users of alternate operating systems. I trust that others will be informed in time of the limitations of your offer and be able to make an informed judgment regarding their own purchase decisions. Unfortunately I do not immediately have at hand the mailing address of the Consumer Society of India or of the Advertising Standards Council of India, who also should be informed. I do hope you will immediately either unconditionally withdraw this partisan offer, or suspend it until your editorial team can expand your offering to users of alternate systems, or make it clear that your offer is indeed limited as described, explaining exactly why you have chosen in this case to withhold important information, thus relaxing your journalistic independence. Sincerely Vickram Crishna

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Re: Anyone going for FOSS.IN
by Network Accelerator 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Hi, What is the agenda for this year FOSS.IN? Thanks indeed.

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List Guidelines
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Dear Anurag and List Admins, Based on your statement below:- "List Members, Please keep the focus of your mails on linux and related technologies, and do not post replies to potential trouble makers." Could you please clarify more on the term `related technologies' with reference to linux or FOSS? Does any new idea or concept for any technology that has a potential use of Linux or FOSS in the future come under this category? Why is the presenter of such ideas being branded as a trouble maker? If the list members break rules and post anti-Govt. or communal replies, why is the OP being punished for it. Tomorrow if an on-topic discussion diverts into such replies, will the OP still be held responsible for that? My observation of this list as well as the general attitude of Indians towards scientific development is that we are not cut out to develop new technologies or inventions. We are destined to be slaves and coolies of technologies that are handed down to us by our foreign masters. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Neural Networks + Linux
by Dinesh Joshi 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Hi list, I am currently learning neural networks as a hobby. I would like to implement them in C and on Linux. I have googled around and there seems to be immense data on them yet its all theoretical. I am currently learning the BPN algorithm whose logic I am able to understand but the math is a bit tough. I would like to know if there is/are some book / website / white papers which talk about Neural Networks from implementation / performance point of view. Oh yes, it would be great help if the math is explained in simpler terms :) I've gotten links / pdfs if anybody is interested I can post them here ( not PDFs ofcourse ). Thanks. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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[OT] Laptops - AMD Sempron v/s Intel Celeron
by Arun Khan 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Want to buy a "budget" laptop. The CPU choices are AMD Mobile Sempron 3000+ (1.8GHz, 128K L2 cache) and Intel Mobile Celeron (1.6GHz, 1MB L2 cache). Given resp. units have 512MB system RAM (w/ 128M for video) and comparable HDD, which CPU is likely to give better performance? TIA. -- Arun Khan

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Anyone going for FOSS.IN
by आनंद (Anand M R) 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

The dates of this year's FOSS.In have been announced as November 24/25/26. Is anyone planning to go from mumbai ?

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extracting metadata from media
by Arjun Jain 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Hi everyone, I am trying to extract meta data from various file formats, viz JPEG, BMP, GIF, PSD and AVI, MPEG and MP3. I was trying to look for a generic library which would support all (or most) of the given file formats. The only library(C/C++) I could find was libextractor but I couldn't use it because I want it to work on both platforms. Thus, For MP3 i am using id3lib and for JPEG exiv2lib. I would be grateful if anyone could point me to libraries which extract metadata from the other file formats (viz BMP, GIF, PSD and AVI, MPEG). TIA, Regards, aj -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Arjun Jain, Development Engineer PI Corporation (http://picorp.com) http://arjunjain.net Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rvcelug/ -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Python Learning
by Sameer Niphadkar 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Hello guys, We wish to implement our project in python as it is one of the most robust open programming language. So can you give us some guidelines from where we can start our learning. We have got our hands on two books 1) Learning Python - O'reilly Pub (Lot of theoratical stuff) 2) Python Complete Refrence - (again lot of theory). Since we have good experience with programming, it would be great if we can start with Python coding directly. Any pointers ? regards Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Having a gateway outside the network
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 29 Jul '06

29 Jul '06

Hi, I was installing Ubuntu for my fiancee and found a strange little problem when configuring her network. Her IP address is 172.20.x.x and her gatway is 10.10.10.2. Ubuntu cried out loud about the gateway not being part of the network and didn't let me configure that way. What I did was add a startup script that added a direct route to the gateway first and then added the default gateway just after the interface is initialized (I removed the gateway line from /etc/network/interfaces). While this works, this seemed a very ugly fix to me. This odd network setting "Just Works" on Windows. Is there an easier way to do this that I'm missing out on? I've also tried adding the "up route add..." line in /etc/network/interfaces. That doesn't seem to work. Thanks, Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] YUM issues
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 29 Jul '06

29 Jul '06

>> http_proxy, ftp_proxy variables in /etc/profile as: >> export http_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" >> export https_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" > I am no expert, but should not there be a "/" after the proxy port? We > also use squid proxy, and have been told that the "/" is essential. Well it seems you are an expert after all. Adding the "/" and tinckering with the timeout value in yum.conf has got YUM working for me. Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] YUM issues
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 29 Jul '06

29 Jul '06

>> [Errno 4] IOError: <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name >> resolution')> > I think that there is a problem with your dns server. No I do not think so, since wget is working absolutely fine, and so is Firefox. Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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OLPC rejected by GOI
by jtd 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/75968 OLPC is not useful for the target audience. Classrooms and teachers is what we need. according to the HR development mandarins. -- "It may actually be detrimental to the growth of creative and analytical abilities of the child," the secretary added. Classrooms and teachers were more urgently needed than "fancy tools," Never mind that the schools already built exist on paper and the teachers are pure vapour. Same old logic about radio, tv and phones being luxury products "we need drinking water and medicine" went the refrain in a thankfully bygone era. Rgds JTD

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[OT] Apache URL Rewriting
by Joel A Divekar 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

Hi All I need help on URL rewriting under Apache 2.0.x. I need to do following : a) When following request is received by Apache http://127.0.0.1:85/spot?s=25&format=text/html it should be rewritten and called as http://100.100.100.100:85/spot?s=111&format=text/html with the following settings in my httpd.conf I am able to get ip address changed but no luck with the s=25 to s=111. I am running out of time and can anybody guide as I am not too good with regular expression. <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.+) http://100.100.100.100:85/$1 </IfModule> Regards Joel 9867572484

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Neural Networks + Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

>> Well, I learnt Artificial Neural Networks back in 3rd semester as an >> optional subject. One of my classmates (in fact he is my former >> roomie), [name deleted] <arjuns[email deleted]> started writing a C++ > If that was my name and email, I'd be pissed off. Well, it was neither your name nor your email. I do have the permission to provide his email ID on this list. Comments like these are not needed and should be avoided in the aftermath of the horrible flame wars and OT mails that flooded the list. Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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YUM issues
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

I am using Fedora Core 5, and am behind a Squid proxy. I have set the http_proxy, ftp_proxy variables in /etc/profile as: export http_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" export https_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" export ftp_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" export socks_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" My /etc/wgetrc looks like: #http_proxy = http://proxy.yoyodyne.com:18023/ #ftp_proxy = http://proxy.yoyodyne.com:18023/ use_proxy = on Since the proxy variables are already set in /etc/profile I have not set them here. Moreover wget can successfully download files from the Internet. My /etc/yum.conf looks like: [main] proxy=http://172.16.16.2 proxy_username=mmh3 proxy_password=mmh3 cachedir=/var/cache/yum keepcache=0 debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 obsoletes=1 gpgcheck=0 plugins=1 metadata_expire=1800 timeout=7 However I get: [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ sudo yum list Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up repositories updates [1/4] http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/i386/repo…: [Errno 4] IOError: <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')> Trying other mirror. Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: updates failure: repodata/repomd.xml from updates: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Error: failure: repodata/repomd.xml from updates: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ The same XML file http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/i386/repo… can be successfully downloaded by wget and seen by Firefox. So why the error? Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: lug meet
by Roshan 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

> On 7/23/06, Roshan <d_rosh2001(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote: > > I'm interested to meet LUG members. The last I had > > attended was in February. :( > Hehe, you think that was far back? The last I > attended was back in 2002 :P Oh..that is way back! > Are colleges (Ruparel, Bhavans, etc.) not open to > LUG meets anymore? Shouldn't they be? Perhaps, this will create more awareness among college students atleast. > They happen in the Eastern subrubs, rather than > central Mumbai. I am a > bit too far off to attend a meet sadly. Is there any "fixed" place for the lug meet? Just curious __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Share your views with LFY: CommunitySpeak Episode 3
by Janani Gopalakrishnan 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

Hello all, Greetings from the Linux For You magazine team! As you all know, two months ago we launched a new initiative called CommunitySpeak where we pose a question to various ILUG mailing lists and publish the top five responses (selected by our technical editors) in the magazine. Thanks to all those who responded to last month's question. The best among the responses received are to be published in the August 2006 issue of LFY. We have contacted the chosen respondents off-list. This month we have chosen the topic: "What does one gain from participating in an open source project that he/she does not gain from a regular work environment?" What's your take on this? Our eyes and ears are wide open and we are waiting to listen to your views. Please write to us at writetojanani(a)gmail.com with a CC to atul.goel(a)efyindia.com, before 5th August 2006. The top five responses will be published in the September 2006 issue of Linux for You. Look forward to your responses. Thanks, Janani Gopalakrishnan, Freelance Writer Atul Goel, Asst. Associate Editor, LFY He who controls others may be powerful but he who has mastered himself is mightier still. - Lao Tsu

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Neural Networks + Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

> I would like to know if there is/are some book / > website / white papers which talk about Neural Networks from > implementation / performance point of view. Oh yes, it would be great > help if the math is explained in simpler terms :) Well, I learnt Artificial Neural Networks back in 3rd semester as an optional subject. One of my classmates (in fact he is my former roomie), Arjun Shankar <arjunsha(a)gmail.com> started writing a C++ library for ANN. It was very simply written. The project was hosted in Savannah but the codes are not yet available there due to network restrictions in our campus proxy. I hope you will be able to solve your doubts with Arjun's help. Cheers, Debarshi -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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