On 12/08/04 19:53 +0530, Philip Tellis wrote: <snip>
And the opposite of 'I' is not 'You'. But... 'WE'.
WE encompasses I. It's actually "Not I" as any boolean mathematician or psychologist will tell you ;)
ITYM !I
The List is not so old as to distinguish newbies with ,masters, and
It's over 5 years old, and the group a little older. And as far as mastery goes, that takes initiative and self motivation, not age.
And some reading.
even if we want to what would be the methodology to distinguish and classify different users, on what basis??? aren't we all still on the edge of the learning cure.
those who follow the rules and those who don't.
Any one who feels he/shes at the acme of the learning curve doesn't need this list.
but does the list/group need him/her?
To elaborate on this point, my first response to a query is almost always "Why should I answer this query? Is it worth my time to answer the question posed?"
If the query has been answered often, and it can be found on google, then I will not answer it. If the poster uses HTML, or long lines, or otherwise violates netiquette, then I am usually not interested in answering a query. I do the newbie helping elsewhere, on more specialised topics.
If you are in a position to contribute value, please do. If not, please do not add to the noise. Please do your research first. You will find that the situation has improved dramatically from what it was from a few years ago. I do know that a large number of list posts are on Google and they are still valid and useful.
Does Low mail and LUG meet turnout suggest that the so called
I believe that people who know a lot refrain from answering trivial questions for one of two reasons
- they've already been answered before
- someone with a lesser amount of knowledge can answer it
Also, because answering those isn't worth the time we have to spend on offering support and handholding.
People who don't know a lot refrain from answering mails for one of three reasons
- they feel someone who knows more should answer it
- they're not sure if their answer is correct
- they have only come to the list to get answers and not to give them
So, the only mails you get on the list are from people who want help for seemingly unique problems. They post mails asking for URGENT HELP. They believe it their right to get immediate support because they have done the list members the biggest favour by becoming linux users. They don't even have the decency to format their mails in an easy to read manner.
I for one will not reply to these mails, but then I don't speak for the group. Each of you are welcome to respond in your own way.
I do notice that most of the older LUG members don't post much on the list. Are we all jaded and tired of handholding people who don't learn to RTFM and just treat the list as free consultancy?
As for lug meets, I don't know what the situation is now. In the past the meets would involve one tech talk and a lot of socialising. The last few meets that I attended were just like lectures, and while many are eager to attend lectures, no one is willing to give them. The socialising session didn't last very long either.
The one I attended was quite good wrt the social atmosphere.
Being a linux user's group is not so much listening to lectures - you can do that by signing up for a class. It's about being a bunch of buddies with a common interest, and most importantly, a _willingness_ to share the brightest or stupidest ideas that you have without fear that someone will laugh, or reservation that someone will steal it.
Regrettably, all my recent posts to this list have been grouchy old man rants. Tolerance I still have. Hair I'm losing fast.
Thats ok. Hair loss can be treated.
/me runs
Devdas Bhagat PS: Someone had asked me at the LUG meet for some slides on Postfix. Please mail me offlist for the specific slides you want. I will post links to the list.