Hi all, I am a student of S K Somaiya College of Arts, Science and Commerce. We
are having our annual festival between 12th to 17th December >2005 combining all
the sections of the college which includes Department of Computer Science
and
I. T.
On this occasion, I would like to have a seminar on GNU/Linux for
encouraging the usage of GNU/Linux among my college students. I invite,
anyone in the list whoever would like to conduct this seminar with
reference to the following points with some experience in the industry.
- What is Linux (Kernel, history, Linus Torvalds, Free Software is
exactly?)
- Why Linux? (Comparison with Windows, Security, Reliability, Features)
- The X-Window System and Desktop Environments (GNOME, KDE)
- Basic tips, Do's and Don't for installing and using Linux and Hardware
Compatibility Details
- Reducing Software Piracy and encouraging usage of Licensed Software
and/or using GNU/Linux and software available from internet >(website links).........
Awaiting a positive response.
Roshan
I am a student of K J somaiya engg collge ,electronics. I can help you if newbies are your target audience because i am no expert on linux!! Last month we conducted a seminar on linux for newbies with similar objectives ,in our college ,100 people turned up and we distributed OpenSuse 10 , all funded by the college!!Contact me off the list if you think i can help you. I have exams till the 12th so i am available after that. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX
On Tuesday 29 November 2005 12:02, अिनकॆत (Aniket) wrote:
I am a student of K J somaiya engg collge ,electronics. I can help you if newbies are your target audience because i am no expert on linux!! Last month we conducted a seminar on linux for newbies with similar objectives ,in our college ,100 people turned up and we distributed OpenSuse 10 , all funded by the college!!Contact me off the list if you think i can help you. I have exams till the 12th so i am available after that. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX
That is so cool. Our college doesn't fund anything. Infact, we have an IBM Linux campus club but there is no initiative amongst teachers / students. Our students aren't exactly very enthusiastic about GNU/Linux. May be its because of certain experiments that one of our professors and I conducted in our college's internet lab :P We actually had tried migrating all the machines to Linux. We did succeed but the students and teachers started bickering about how "difficult" it was to work with Linux. We had installed SuSE. For God sakes how difficult is it to BROWSE the internet using SuSE?!
But then they missed all the malware, spyware and viruses in XP. They didnt mind that their privacy would be compromised. They didn't mind their passwords would get out. They didn't mind that their IM conversations could be easily read! Oh and they CANT live without IE! That prof has left the college and I was too busy in my freshman years to try it once again!
Now our college has bought some very squeaky new machines pre-loaded with Windows XP SP2 which came with Mandrake 10.1 Official. I dont know what they did with the CDs. I think they just threw away the CDs or something... There we a lot of them. The college must've purchased about 200 machines! Oh well, people will always be people...
Now that I am a senior at college I am thinking of aggressively pursuing the campus club and atleast make students aware that GNU/Linux _exists_ :|
'nuff of my rant!
Sometime on Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 07:51:20PM +0000, Dinesh Joshi said:
had tried migrating all the machines to Linux. We did succeed but the students and teachers started bickering about how "difficult" it was to work with Linux. We had installed SuSE. For God sakes how difficult is
Strange. Engineering students and teachers cribbing about the UI being _difficult to work_!
Meanwhile my students at Mumbai university are happily using Ubuntu in their lab. Atleast when i am there, i see everyone booted into Ubuntu.
Anurag
On Thursday 01 December 2005 06:16, Anurag wrote:
Strange. Engineering students and teachers cribbing about the UI being _difficult to work_!
Meanwhile my students at Mumbai university are happily using Ubuntu in their lab. Atleast when i am there, i see everyone booted into Ubuntu.
Anurag
dude, we aren't an IIT. Actually, SuSE is very comfortable. But the problem is that GNU/Linux can really enforce the rules. Everyone had the habit of always using the Administrator account so they could install stuff at their whim. They could chat (which is illegal according to our college btw) however long they wanted. They could do ANYTHING they wanted with windoze. SuSE didn't allow all that non-sense. For the first time all rules were enforced and it didn't go down well with anyone.
Besides, that was more than a year ago. Times changed. Ubuntu has come to the scene. The biggest real hurdle I see is that some people require to access IE only websites. They really dont have a choice. They have to boot into Windows to do that which becomes annoying. Besides, none of the browsers have Flash, Java and other plugins out of the box. You have to manually do it. Does ubuntu come with all plugins installed by default?
Sometime on Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 12:25:17PM +0000, Dinesh Joshi said:
dude, we aren't an IIT. Actually, SuSE is very comfortable. But the problem is that GNU/Linux can really enforce the rules. Everyone had
Those MU students are average BCom'ers and BSc'ers :)
have to manually do it. Does ubuntu come with all plugins installed by default?
No, it doesn't. And it wont. And it shouldn't.
Anurag
On Thursday 01 December 2005 07:07, Anurag wrote:
Those MU students are average BCom'ers and BSc'ers :)
As i said in my earlier reply. Its not a matter of the average computer knowledge. Its a matter of "freedom". People just hate rules especially when they are enforced :)
have to manually do it. Does ubuntu come with all plugins installed by default?
No, it doesn't. And it wont. And it shouldn't.
Why? :O
Talking about engg students not liking Linux, well in my coll (TSEC) we had to install debian on 2 of our project lab comps for our final year BE project (ours is btw the only group in the entire final year doing a project in Linux!!). we had to install it on comps originally havin mandrake(which no one touched) +wind0ws xp. so we competely removed the above mentioned OSs and installed debian. well, it so happened tht those comps were the comps connected to the internet and so other students complained to the HOD that they were not able to use the comps as it had only Linux on them. We explained to the HOD how easy it was to use debian and that we will install additional packages(eg. firefox browser) to make it more simpler to use. but the HOD the dumass tht he is refused to give us permis to load debian. its a pathetic situation. and this after there was a hugely successful workshop on Linux during our tech-fest.
-- Apoorva Kulkarni ozzman[AT]phenix[dot]rootshell[dot]be Free software is a matter of liberty not price http://www.gnu.org http://www.fsf.org
Talking about engg students not liking Linux, well in my coll (TSEC) we had to install debian on 2 of our project lab comps for our final year BE project (ours is btw the only group in the entire final year doing a project in Linux!!). we had to install it on comps originally havin mandrake(which no one touched) +wind0ws xp. so we competely removed the above mentioned OSs and installed debian. well, it so happened tht those comps were the comps connected to the internet and so other students complained to the HOD that they were not able to use the comps as it had only Linux on them. We explained to the HOD how easy it was to use debian and that we will install additional packages(eg. firefox browser) to make it more simpler to use. but the HOD the dumass tht he is refused to give us permis to load debian. its a pathetic situation. and this after there was a hugely successful workshop on Linux during our tech-fest.
In contrast to that I am doing SY BSc IT and my HOD allowed to me to play the computers in the lab . He was over joyed that I built a proxy server based on linux . And some of the teacher even use the linux box to surk the net ...
Francis Pereira
Speaking of HoDs ... in Fr. Agnel, Bandra, the HoD actually enforced Linux usage for lab practicals. It was a phase-wise shift - C, C++ followed by uP and finally DBMS and Matlab (yup - they actually purchased a multi-user Linux copy).
BTW. I think part of the motivation for the shift was to thwart malpractices like copying other peoples programs. Most *lusers* don't know how to use floppies in Linux ;-) And those who do are hopefully smart enough to write their own code!!!
- farazs
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 01:42:49PM +0530, Apoorva Kulkarni wrote:
Talking about engg students not liking Linux, well in my coll (TSEC) we had to install debian on 2 of our project lab comps for our final year BE
Bah, in 304 there was a box that on which I installed Linux. I was happily using that during my BE. Confused the heck out of anyone who noticed the difference. Not that anyone did.
the HOD the dumass tht he is refused to give us permis to load debian. its a
Next time, show him Ubuntu. Who is he, anyway? (Reply in private email.)
pathetic situation. and this after there was a hugely successful workshop on Linux during our tech-fest.
TSEC has been having Linux workshops forever. Has it made any difference? I don't think so.
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
As i said in my earlier reply. Its not a matter of the average computer knowledge. Its a matter of "freedom". People just hate rules especially when they are enforced :)
In computers, the seriousness of the user depends on whether he/she is the owner and how much data is at stake. College students would only be interested in using the pc the easiest way. Their data is not business like which would make them suffer heavy economic losses, if compromised. Even if their email is stolen, they will simply create a new id and start using it. Installing windows software comes easy to them and the equipment too is designed for easy windows driver setup.
A good option would be to have a small but dedicated room/lab for linux only and only those genuinely interested come to use it. Let the rest use windows. Another option is to have dual booting and let the user choose as per individual choice. Only buffet, no fighting. :)
Regards,
Rony.
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On 03/12/05 14:40 +0530, Rony Bill wrote: <snip>
new id and start using it. Installing windows software comes easy to them and the equipment too is designed for easy windows driver setup.
And what does the college AUP say about software installations? We had rules (FSVO rules) about not installing anything ourselves without permission.
Devdas Bhagat
On 12/1/05, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
to boot into Windows to do that which becomes annoying. Besides, none of the browsers have Flash, Java and other plugins out of the box. You have to manually do it. Does ubuntu come with all plugins installed by default?
SUSE has the flash / java / realplayer all that ... tried suse10 ?
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