I had seen a link on some forum some time back where it told that Microsoft pays these cos a part of sales revenue to provide it by default. I bought a 8 Gig pen drive of a certain korean company and it still had the logo & tag "Works with Vista". There should be RTI's in Consumer Court or some thing to make this happen...

Arun Khan wrote: Off late, Acer laptops do not detect the LAN card directly in Linux and the driver has to be manually loaded. This is quite a pain as it has to be downloaded on another pc and transferred manually before running the compile process. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

Krishnakant wrote: I had used Ubuntu 9.04 on a new Acer Aspire One and Kubuntu 9.04 was used on a regular new Acer. Both did not detect the LAN. Surprisingly the wireless cards get detected. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

Arun Khan wrote: D250, and 437x? The first one is the mini and the other one was a regular 14 inch. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 17:54 +0530, Ganesh Gajare wrote: And by the way, there are venders who are neutral to this and give what ever custommer demands. I knwo a few of them who won't favour any of them. But when I gave exclusive linux business to some venders and also showed them the way to earn a bit more marjin out of this, they give linux at least as a choice to custommers. Hehe, as if debian is a different thing and RH and Suse another thing. This certainly means venders are themselves not aware of all this because they don't care to read any technology magazine, let alone bloggs or public forums, writing to which was recommended by some posters on this thread. They only mean business. No wonder many venders have started to recommend Ubuntu (and not fedora ) to many customers. Point. Infact I am blogging about all this in a day or 2. I have talked with a few vendres who give linux as a choice to custommers and also talked with custommers who were had just seen a demo of Ubuntu and got their reactions on first time exposure. And at least making sure either as a voluntary contribution or otherwise to visit some venders and demonstrate them the free software based desktop and orienty them properly. One can do this if the person is a regular visiter to hardware shops for example. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.

Rony wrote: May I add that the desktop environment and supported modules and packages also make the difference not just kernel. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote: How can you said this providing support is the problem. Because any ways if customer brings new peripheral, it requires few things like communication with the person who are providing support to him and little self initiative to do the job. As you said it's not worth to spend time to install individual app, in my terms unless you spend time u will not learn how to get the things done, probably today you take 1hr for one customer, tomorrow for another with ur trial and error, you will do the same work in 5min. Necessary is how you want to do it. supports for Hmm. You are only referring to the server segment. OK Not, like that, it may happened that some one buys very good config lappy and he want's to load Graphics Driver which may be linux don't have as default. But one can easily get Repo for the same or package for the same. There are many thing with server segment, but it's not for the local user. > > -- > Regards, > Rony. > GNU/Linux ! > No Viruses > No Spyware > Only Freedom. > -- > http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

2009/12/2 Sanket Shah <88.sanket(a)gmail.com>om>: Firefox is available for windows too. And a lot of average people use it. Anurag -- http://web.gnuer.org/

On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 11:34 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: By the way millions is a slightly an under statement because many of them don't seem to use firefox because they work in offices where IE is forced upon them and they would still use ff where it is possible for example on their home computers or office computers where they don't do I know of hundreds of people who don't even know what is FOSS (sad) but still use firefox and vlc just because they are better quality softwares. Besides, openoffice is rappidly growing in popularity as well. happy hacking. Krishnakant.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Sanket Shah <88.sanket(a)gmail.com> wrote: For you, market penetration maybe a big thing but it needn't be for everyone. For others, they would be looking at other factors. So, I don't agree to your statement that linux has lost because it does not have a huge user base.

Sanket Shah wrote: FOSS usage requires some initiative from the user side too. If the user cannot make even small efforts after giving everything ready made he does not deserve it. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

Sanket Shah wrote: Even after I install FOSS equivalents for them in Doze, many are still too lazy to figure out how to use them. Such people do not deserve FOSS. Support for Linux is needed from manufacturers as well as commercial software package makers for the industry. However this is still a distant dream. We still have software makers who make commercial packages for Airline Booking, Share Trading, etc for the agents, run only in the Administrator mode of doze. All this is software involves high value money transactions but the doze zombies don't even know how to make their software run in Limited User mode. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote: DGS&D: Directorate General of Supplies and Disposal?? Please use acronyms which everyone knows. -- Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065

On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 10:34 +0530, Sanket Shah wrote: If it was a bluff then why are large organisations using linux? I think they don't care to be in the compedition right? And if foss wasn't better then ff and vlc should have not been so popular. The majority people use foss in some direct or indirect way, but many of us don't care to tell them that this is foss and you must take some minits some day to contribute at least a comment or a suggestion to the developers. And I think you neednot be a hacker or an IT guru to send an email about your impressions on the software in question. We already have this experiment successfully working in SNDT womens college and the only thing we had to do is after shifting the labs (about 200 + computers ) to Ubuntu, we did an orientation with students and also with the service providers. And they did not find the OS complex. It is just that they were not aware. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.

On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 13:06 +0530, Sanket Shah wrote: Well, We can't be sure of market stats. For one thing they can be debaited (not to mention the common thing people did not start using windows in millions of numbers from the day it was released ). And even if we were to trust the market reports, there are many who don't really advertise their usage of linux. I know many such organisations. They either take 3rd party support who inturn don't care to report it to foss based resources, or they have in-house people who are good enough to support linux (the easy kind of OS it is). again such people don't come back to the community unless they get some problems. So we don't have the real stats. And if linux does not hold a user share of more than 1% then I wonder why majority of the internet runs using it? The main thing we must understand here is what I said long back in my email and I say it again. There is a proper way of orienting people and I have seen great results having mass migrations happening. And I am not doing any great magic, nor it is any rocket science. I just use psychology. Any one interested to follow this can attend the workshops or in-house seminars I do with organisations willing to shift to foss. And yes there are organisations who themselves come willingly to me asking about ways to migrate to FOSS. This itself is the sign that the popularity of FOSS is growing rappidly. Any ways the entire issue is to stay away from further kindling the fire of misconceptions which dirty marketing has resulted into. Firstly I will suggest for those people who would love to *market* linux to be self convinced that we indeed can and should do it. saying things like "linux is for people who deserve it " does not do any good for making it popular. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. *** windows = Where I Never Do Operations With Safety ***

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Sanket Shah <88.sanket(a)gmail.com> wrote: Freedom! Some gurus always tell, but we never listen. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 06:15 -0800, rajesh ruparel wrote: Ideas and Options at lamington Road will give you a free doss laptop and on your request will also install linux for you. Hackers are doing their job and whether the vendors want or don't want there are drivers or softwares available for gnu/linux. I remember some service station people of asus telling me "we *don't* support linux and linux will not work on our motherboards ". but the funny part is (thanks to roni) the best motherboard I ever got to work with ubuntu in particular was the asus 945. I have got similar stories about other hardware modules but the reality is that hardware venders need to be first oriented and then counter brainwashed to remove the dirt microsoft has put into their brains (and some leagul or otherwise money as well in their pockets ). Blogging and reporting on web site is generaly looked upon by hardware developers and venders as nothing more than dog barking (well, with some exceptions of course ). We need more media support and massive public campaign so that the pressure comes on the venders from the consumers themselves. Very true. rather than any one, the common man is easy to convince,because common man sees her/ his own bennifit first. we often hear things like "bla bla is more popular " but then how many of us use only those things which are "popular "? how many of us would drink wiski or wodka just because it is a popular practice? There is really no point going after hardware venders (unless you really can show them or even more, give them some linux based business ). As I said "I am a hardware seller or dealer, give me business and I will start telling linux linux linux like a parrot ". I convinced a couple of hardware venders to recommend linux and to be prepared to give such machines to their custommers only by first giving them some clients who actually demanded the installation of the free OS instead of the wellknown (Where I Never Do Operations With Safety ) my fullform for a virus called windows. This is the bitter truth of the hardware market and naturally so. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.

On Saturday 28 Nov 2009 9:27:38 am Kussh Singh wrote: please do not shout - we can all hear you -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

I'd been pitched for Linux based Motorola phones last year by The Mobile Store fellows as virus free and all. Afraid the model was low-end with real linux advantage. I have not been able to find any good Linux based PDAs and the ones that i do find hav gone out of production. Whereever u go, the store guys will pitch for Windows Mobile only. Symbian or Android phones have entered in a big way, but not in India yet. Awareness is definitely lacking but so also the enthu from retailers. I mean if i m selling a product as a retailer, i would like to see what i get from a product (when selling a milk pack i get a rupee from it, windows out of 4k i might get 100 bucks) but not with linux. So retailers are not interested here unless they are linux guys themselves.

On Saturday 28 Nov 2009 11:38:51 am Kussh Singh wrote: nobody ever solved a problem by shouting -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

On Saturday 28 Nov 2009 11:59:54 am (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote: what about privacy? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

With the separation of devices Gaming, Internet, Productivity, Office, Server, Desktop, etc. it has opened a wide market for software. Stream of free/open source software from the mountains is pure source code. based on this Organizations can create brands and communities Only brands can be promoted and are active competitors in market. Brands go through QA and cater specific markets. We can't demand from the brand "Mozilla firefox" to act as a CD/DVD mastering software. We can't demand from the brand "Ubuntu desktop" to act as a Smartphone OS But interested developers can use XULRunner to create a software to master CDROM and Linux kernel can be modified for smartphones. But to promote this new development they will have to create new brands separating them from FOSS in mind of layman Branded smartphone OSs : http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/21/canalys_iphone_outsold_all_wi… Global Smartphone market by Operating system. OS Market Code Base/License Symbian 50.3% Moving to Open source RIM Blackberry 20.9% Closed source Apple iPhone 13.7% Closed (with open components) MS Windows Mobile 9.0% Closed Google Android 2.8% Free and open source software Other (Palm, Linux) 3.3% Closed source for Palm Promising technologies and brands are already moving their source model to Open source On one hand I stick to the brand that Canonical has created -- Ubuntu. On the other hand I extend my ubuntu usage by installing anything from free world I don't want free world to be branded. It keeps my computer safe from stupid people.