[OT] Freeculture --> Was: Re: Al Jazeera Announces Launch of Free Footage underCreative Commons Attribution License
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/15 Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com:
Thanks. I would continue to be in the list, but I'm open to the idea of a new list for broader topics and more relaxed rules.
So here we go. If anyone is interested to discuss any thing under Free Culture without any restriction head over to http://www.freelists.org/list/freeculture-mumbai and join in.
I understand the sentiments/history behind this new mailing list, but this name is too generic - enough to either *) Not attract people because of lack of a definite meaning conveyed *) Attract all kinds of unwanted people! (Imagine what meanings can be associated with the term 'freeculture' - there are too many types of people in this world!)
I suggest the name "opensource" or something like that. Source need not be source-code only.
2 paise.
2009/1/15 Ravindra Jaju ravindra.jaju@gmail.com:
I understand the sentiments/history behind this new mailing list, but this name is too generic - enough to either *) Not attract people because of lack of a definite meaning conveyed *) Attract all kinds of unwanted people! (Imagine what meanings can be associated with the term 'freeculture' - there are too many types of people in this world!)
It a term that is commonly referred to the new movements that inspired from Free Software including Wikipedia, Creative Commons, Open Access ...
I suggest the name "opensource" or something like that. Source need not be source-code only.
2 paise.
Thanks for the suggestions. As the name suggests, there is not much restrictions. It refers to the broader community initiatives inspired by Free Software. We have this list for "open source" because it is included in FOSS (Free and Open Source Software).
-- jaju
PS: I am on this list because of 1] The history of this list 2] The meaning conveyed by the name (although - the name and the character of the list do not seem to converge quite well, but still...)
Communities evolve in time responding to situations around them. I'm not a big fan of creating new things when existing things are there. But sometimes that is the only option. In this case I wanted to discuss these things, same go for some of the members, but this list is not for that, so the new list accommodate those without interfering with this list.
- Praveen
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/15 Ravindra Jaju ravindra.jaju@gmail.com: by Free Software. We have this list for "open source" because it is included in FOSS (Free and Open Source Software).
The term "software" is causing all the heartburn here...
Communities evolve in time responding to situations around them. I'm not a big fan of creating new things when existing things are there. But sometimes that is the only option. In this case I wanted to discuss these things, same go for some of the members, but this list is not for that, so the new list accommodate those without interfering with this list.
I don't think a "some members" == "majority". These "few vocal members" can cause even the "freeculture" list to go off-track - *if* it follows a similar moderation policy as this list.
Ironically, the moderators of this list do seriously exhibit the "freeculture" type of culture - yes, really! Appreciable, but I believe they should put down their foot once in a while. We now have a few meta-moderators on this list, who point out valid stuff most of the times (top-posting being a prime example - against list policies) - but these are black and white issues. Problems crop up when it comes to issues open to so many kinds of interpretations.
Personally, I feel that the Al-Jazeera posting was a pretty much interesting piece of news as it sets a precedent! Obviously, no one would be discussing AJ ad-infinitum, or others who follow suit - only this one time.
And look at the energy wasted in this thread! Most of it is destructive rather than constructive. Note it or ignore it, and carry on! Why fight over every issue?
A "u" and a "i" should ideally be pointed out off-list directly, and persistent violators can be put on the moderation queue - instead of such warnings forming the bulk of the emails here. It really ticks off a lot of people, and new people just get too apprehensive about posting *anything*!
Again, my 2 paise.
Best wishes, jaju
2009/1/15 Ravindra Jaju ravindra.jaju@gmail.com:
I don't think a "some members" == "majority".
Thats why a new list. So those who still want to discuss these issues can do it without bothering the majority.
These "few vocal members" can cause even the "freeculture" list to go off-track - *if* it follows a similar moderation policy as this list.
The idea is trust good intentions unless proven otherwise in freeculture list. So the idea is, as long as the member thinks it is on topic, it will be considered on topic. If some people want to deliberately mis use it, then the members can come up with a policy.
Ironically, the moderators of this list do seriously exhibit the "freeculture" type of culture - yes, really! Appreciable, but I believe they should put down their foot once in a while. We now have a few meta-moderators on this list, who point out valid stuff most of the times (top-posting being a prime example - against list policies) - but these are black and white issues. Problems crop up when it comes to issues open to so many kinds of interpretations.
freeculture list will run on good intentions assumption unless it is proved wrong. May be that will be soon, may be that would take longer. Its worth a try.
Personally, I feel that the Al-Jazeera posting was a pretty much interesting piece of news as it sets a precedent! Obviously, no one would be discussing AJ ad-infinitum, or others who follow suit - only this one time.
And look at the energy wasted in this thread! Most of it is destructive rather than constructive. Note it or ignore it, and carry on! Why fight over every issue?
Most of us are passionate about stuff we do. We are doing it because we like it, some times the responses can go over board. But things cool off.
A "u" and a "i" should ideally be pointed out off-list directly, and persistent violators can be put on the moderation queue - instead of such warnings forming the bulk of the emails here. It really ticks off a lot of people, and new people just get too apprehensive about posting *anything*!
Again, my 2 paise.
I agree mostly.
- Praveen
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/15 Ravindra Jaju ravindra.jaju@gmail.com:
I don't think a "some members" == "majority".
Thats why a new list. So those who still want to discuss these issues can do it without bothering the majority.
These "few vocal members" can cause even the "freeculture" list to go off-track - *if* it follows a similar moderation policy as this list.
The idea is trust good intentions unless proven otherwise in freeculture list. So the idea is, as long as the member thinks it is on topic, it will be considered on topic. If some people want to deliberately mis use it, then the members can come up with a policy.
Ironically, the moderators of this list do seriously exhibit the "freeculture" type of culture - yes, really! Appreciable, but I believe they should put down their foot once in a while. We now have a few meta-moderators on this list, who point out valid stuff most of the times (top-posting being
a
prime example - against list policies) - but these are black and white issues. Problems crop up when it comes to issues open to so many kinds of interpretations.
freeculture list will run on good intentions assumption unless it is proved wrong. May be that will be soon, may be that would take longer. Its worth a try.
Personally, I feel that the Al-Jazeera posting was a pretty much
interesting
piece of news as it sets a precedent! Obviously, no one would be
discussing
AJ ad-infinitum, or others who follow suit - only this one time.
And look at the energy wasted in this thread! Most of it is destructive rather than constructive. Note it or ignore it, and carry on! Why fight over every issue?
Most of us are passionate about stuff we do. We are doing it because we like it, some times the responses can go over board. But things cool off.
A "u" and a "i" should ideally be pointed out off-list directly, and persistent violators can be put on the moderation queue - instead of such warnings forming the bulk of the emails here. It really ticks off a lot of people, and new people just get too apprehensive about posting *anything*!
Again, my 2 paise.
I agree mostly.
buddy its 1am. you posted something you think is relevant. somone objected as they think it is not. if someone thinks you cross post or multipost then they can write filters to put your mails to /dev/null
thats the fun of democracy. but to talk about it over 50 mails is no fun
you are smart person dont spend time endlessly discussing that is not going anywhere
and if anyone does not find my english appropriate please dont bother to reply
- Praveen
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Ravindra Jaju wrote:
Personally, I feel that the Al-Jazeera posting was a pretty much interesting piece of news as it sets a precedent! Obviously, no one would be discussing AJ ad-infinitum, or others who follow suit - only this one time.
And look at the energy wasted in this thread! Most of it is destructive rather than constructive. Note it or ignore it, and carry on! Why fight over every issue?
Very true!
A "u" and a "i" should ideally be pointed out off-list directly, and persistent violators can be put on the moderation queue - instead of such warnings forming the bulk of the emails here. It really ticks off a lot of people, and new people just get too apprehensive about posting *anything*!
The moderators are silent, so the vigilante takes over.
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