2009/1/15 Sanjay B b@pad.ma:

As far as I can tell, they aren't really using opensource tech. - their 'high-res' video content is downloadable in mpeg format and the online streaming version uses a flash streaming embed from blip.tv (although blip.tv now supports Ogg Theora, they are not using it). Even though I find this Al-Jazeera / CC news fascinating since we run a completely FOSS video archive of our own, I honestly don't see what this bit of news has to do with Linux / FOSS.

cc-by license allows you to transcode it to any format you want. cc-by license for the videos is the link to FOSS. If the list policy is to discuss only about software I rest my case.

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Is it not only relevant but also remarkable that media (journalistic media, nonetheless !!) is being released using the CC license ?

I find it remarkable, yes, but there are lots of things in the world that are remarkable - I don't see how its relevant (to this list). I honestly don't agree that the CC license has anything to do really with FOSS or Linux. I think cc-licensing of media is very different from GPL / FOSS licensing of software. You can draw analogies, but analogies can be drawn to lots of things, and I'm not sure they all belong in this mailing list.

If that is the opinion of the entire list (at least one more person seems to agree with my interpretation) I rest my case.

Well, just because there might have been some (in your opinion) off-topic, perhaps mindless chatter, on the list, doesn't make it a dumping ground for any bit of 'interesting' news that doesn't really have anything to do with the list ..

I thought cc-by license selection is relevant for the list and on topic, especially with the comment from Lawrence Lessig.

Anyways - thanks for the link, Praveen - I do find the news fascinating and think it could fundamentally change television journalism, but I still don't see what that has to do with FOSS or Linux :)

:-(

Hope that ends the thread, though flames are welcome.

If the moderators think it is off topic, as per earlier suggestion I am proposing to start a new list (I will start one) where foss everywhere in life will be on topic.

- Praveen

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.orgwrote:

On Thursday 15 Jan 2009 6:12:09 pm Praveen A wrote:

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Hope that ends the thread, though flames are welcome.

If the moderators think it is off topic, as per earlier suggestion I am proposing to start a new list (I will start one) where foss everywhere in life will be on topic.

nothing to do with moderators as this is not a moderated list. This list is driven by peer pressure - you are a very valuable contributor to this list, but I feel that you get carried away at times and introduce stuff that is laudable but not relevant to the list. If a list does not restrict itself in some way, it serves no purpose as it becomes too general. If we are focussing on things like CC, we have to admit discussions from people who use adobe illustrator and photoshop and doze etc to produce things in proprietary formats which they then release under CC. You need a different forum to interact with people like that.

do u say that simple [OT] would not have hurt your sentiments ?

-- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

2009/1/15 Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:

nothing to do with moderators as this is not a moderated list. This list is driven by peer pressure - you are a very valuable contributor to this list, but I feel that you get carried away at times and introduce stuff that is laudable but not relevant to the list. If a list does not restrict itself in some way, it serves no purpose as it becomes too general. If we are focussing on things like CC, we have to admit discussions from people who use adobe illustrator and photoshop and doze etc to produce things in proprietary formats which they then release under CC. You need a different forum to interact with people like that.

Thanks for recognising my contributions. I appreciate your efforts to keep the list functioning efficiently. I would like to discuss things which are on the borderline and is interesting to many in this list. I am wondering how to go about doing it. May be a new list with much liberal rules is the way. I would like to know if any members are interested in such a list.

- Praveen

2009/1/15 Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:

1. please do not leave this list
2. for broader discussions please join Delhi LUG list - they are very evolved

there and their goal is to transcend themselves to the broader issues that face the human race rather than confining discussions to mundane things like linux/foss

Thanks. I would continue to be in the list, but I'm open to the idea of a new list for broader topics and more relaxed rules.

- Praveen

On Friday 16 Jan 2009 9:44:18 am Praveen A wrote:

2009/1/15 Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com:

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Thanks. I would continue to be in the list, but I'm open to the idea of a new list for broader topics and more relaxed rules.

So here we go. If anyone is interested to discuss any thing under Free Culture without any restriction head over to http://www.freelists.org/list/freeculture-mumbai and join in.

cool - I would join if it was not restricted to Mumbai (I thought that you were in Bengaluru - or was that some other Praveen?)

On Friday 16 Jan 2009 9:59:07 am Praveen A wrote:

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cool - I would join if it was not restricted to Mumbai (I thought that you were in Bengaluru - or was that some other Praveen?)

Description says "(though anyone from cyberspace is welcome to join)"

in that case, remove the 'Mumbai' and announce it in all the LUG lists

On Friday 16 Jan 2009 10:02:47 am Praveen A wrote:

2009/1/15 Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:

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cool - I would join if it was not restricted to Mumbai

Like you mentioned ilugd, many existing groups already "are very evolved there and their goal is to transcend themselves to the broader issues that face the human race rather than confining discussions to mundane things like linux/foss"

another added attraction of ilugd is that I am not a member.

2009/1/15 Vikram Vincent vincentvikram@gmail.com:

Maybe if it were named freeculture-india it would be better. There would be no need to create one for each district/state.

As I mentioned earlier, most local groups does accommodate Free Culture in their discussions. Mumbai did not, hence it is started out as Mumbai. If later we feel it needs to be called something different, we can do that too.

- Praveen

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On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 09:44, Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com wrote:

So here we go. If anyone is interested to discuss any thing under Free Culture without any restriction head over to http://www.freelists.org/list/freeculture-mumbai and join in.

A free culture is one where all members are free to participate in its transmission and evolution, without artificial limits on who can participate or in what way. The free culture movement seeks to develop this culture by promoting four things:

• creativity and innovation;
• communication and free expression;
• public access to knowledge;
• and citizens' civil liberties.

So from now on all my posts to this list will be limited to Free and Open Source __Software__ as per popular request and peer pressure. But I may reply to any posts that interests me.

Hi Praveen, already joined. I do have a query though. Freelists doesn't seem to be as verbose as mailman. It subscribed but didn't tell me what is the e-mail address I need to send mails for it to appear to the mailing list?

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Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On Friday 16 Jan 2009 12:22:22 am Praveen A wrote:

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Thanks for recognising my contributions. I appreciate your efforts to keep the list functioning efficiently. I would like to discuss things which are on the borderline and is interesting to many in this list. I am wondering how to go about doing it. May be a new list with much liberal rules is the way. I would like to know if any members are interested in such a list.

1. please do not leave this list
2. for broader discussions please join Delhi LUG list - they are very evolved

there and their goal is to transcend themselves to the broader issues that face the human race rather than confining discussions to mundane things like linux/foss

Queen'sway aka Janpath envy Kenneth ? :-)

ROTFL hg.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Anurag anurag@gnuer.org wrote:

2009/1/15 Praveen A pravi.a@gmail.com:

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If the moderators think it is off topic, as per earlier suggestion I am proposing to start a new list (I will start one) where foss everywhere in life will be on topic.

My personal opinion is that its okay to discuss topics on creative commons, with appropriate context ofcourse. If in doubt, use [OT] tag in subject line.

Anurag

http://web.gnuer.org/

http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

How can that be done because he was doing some cleverly disguised cross posting to multiple lists and on some of those lists on which he was cross posting discussing creative commons was on topic :-).

In his own golden words " I can't help it, you have to suffer it :-) ".

And if you don't suffer he will go ahead and create another list. Any takers for the new list ?

Cross posting is a pathological addiction and it take some time for de-addiction (especially when you are in bad cross posting company for over a period of time).

Regards,

2009/1/15 Vivek Varghese Cherian vivekcherian@gmail.com:

How can that be done because he was doing some cleverly disguised cross posting to multiple lists and on some of those lists on which he was cross posting discussing creative commons was on topic :-).

What is wrong with you Vivek? Can you prove it to any regular readers of this list that I'm cross posting? If you can do that, I am ready to quit posting to this list. Please stop repeating lies.

In his own golden words " I can't help it, you have to suffer it :-) ".

And if you don't suffer he will go ahead and create another list. Any takers for the new list ?

As long as it is on topic I will continue doing multi posts. As a member of many lists I know what I'm subscribing to. Why would I refrain to post anything interesting to this list because I also posted in another list?

Cross posting is a pathological addiction and it take some time for de-addiction (especially when you are in bad cross posting company for over a period of time).

Please stop your strawman arguments. I did not cross post. If any regular reader agrees with you that I'm cross posting I'm ready to quit posting to this list.

Moderators, please tell me if I'm cross posting or stop Vivek from repeating baseless accusations on me.

- Praveen

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On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 18:54, Vivek Varghese Cherian vivekcherian@gmail.com wrote:

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Because 5 posts on the same topic by the same person can be annoying and a waste of bandwidth and time for another person. Remember not everyone may have the time and bandwidth that you have.

Hi Vivek, I have read about multi-posting and cross-posting and most of the entries or whatever I read is about newsgroups.

AFAI read Praveen mailed it to 5 other groups. While yes its inconvenient to you what about the other readers to the mailing list.

Are you saying that all the readers of the 5 mailing lists are on all 5 mailing lists?

Perhaps they might not have come to know of a development otherwise.

Comments, suggestions all welcome.

<snip>

Regards,

Vivek Varghese Cherian

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On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.comwrote:

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Vivek Varghese Cherian

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everyone may have the time and bandwidth that you have.

Just unsubscribe from lists where you and Praveen (or any other person you love) are subscribed together. Done! Did Praveen knows that you are already wasting your bandwidth by reading his mails 5 times? We have button called 'Delete' too.

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