23 Feb
2006
23 Feb
'06
11:17 p.m.
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job in
the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you still
do it?
Philip
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Most UNIX programmers are great masters of style.
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24 Feb
24 Feb
12:16 a.m.
Philip Tellis wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people
on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job
in the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you
still do it?
Philip
We work with computers because it makes our life easy.
If it was a low paying job, I would probably do something else more
atrractive.
Regards
Saswata
12:20 a.m.
On 2/23/06, Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people
on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job in
the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you still
do it?
Philip
no big words. i wont do it. but that doesnt mean, i dont have any
interest in computers.
some people have passion in life, some have passion and life.
1:28 a.m.
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:17:15 +0530 (IST)
Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people
on this list
work with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for
other reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst
paying job in the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per
month, would you still do it?
While i dont know what I would have been doing, I can say it would
still have a computer attached to it. The sad part today is more seem
to jump into it for the job & money part, than putting it creative
urges to think what new could be done in their field using it.
What got me into it was the freedom to create, play god in a virtual
world!
Its amazing to see what billion of switches going on/off in
synchronized fashion can do! and an attempt by the brain to create
itself.
Karunakar
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9:11 a.m.
On 2/23/06, Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job in
the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you still
do it?
Philip
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Most UNIX programmers are great masters of style.
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AbhiSawa
12:58 p.m.
On 2/23/06, Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons.
I'm a student in 10th, and I program and use Linux because I absolutely love
it. Especially open source
If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job in
the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per
month, would you still
do it?
Probably no, but I haven't faced anything like that before. Anyway I don't
think the situation will be that bad that a computer job will have a salary
of Rs. 2000
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3:56 p.m.
New subject: Linux/ Systems Administration in India
Hi guys,
I first thought of putting up a rant to the [Why are you here?] thread but
realized that probably it wasn't appropriate.
I am currently studying in Australia, when I came here the awareness about
Linux in India was low, at least all the people I met through my college
study groups or people in my class were hardly interested in Linux or Open
Source development.
I want to come back and work in India and I wonder if anyone has information
on.....
1) What are the average wages a Systems Administrator gets paid?
2) What would be the ratio of Windows:Linux servers in use back home?
3) How is the information security Industry?
(It is a very general question I guess what I want to know is what is the
awareness about security practices, security issues and the current need for
professional penetration testers, incident response professionals, forensic
professionals etc.)
Bhowmik
6:12 p.m.
Philip Tellis wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people
on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons.
Computers was my hobby and I learnt about windows related stuff on my
own, to the extent that those who taught me how to startup and shut down
a pc and hold a mouse, now take technical advice from me. Later on when
computers started giving fax machines a beating, I made my hobby into my
new profession. I did a course in Linux to learn
about linux, networking, as well as operating system basics and that
helps me a lot in servicing windows machines too.
Regards,
Rony.
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25 Feb
25 Feb
12:46 a.m.
On Friday 24 February 2006 12:42, Rony Bill wrote:
Computers was my hobby and I learnt about windows
related stuff on my
own, to the extent that those who taught me how to startup and shut
down a pc and hold a mouse, now take technical advice from me.
*snip*
Heh. Same here :)
--
Dinesh A. Joshi
11:42 p.m.
On 2/25/06, Dinesh Joshi <dinesh.a.joshi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday 24 February 2006 12:42, Rony Bill wrote:
Ditto.
My first touch of a computer was just 5 years ago -- never even held a
mouse, keyboard ever before that. It started off as a game console for
me, simply playing Half-Life, Allan Borders Cricket, etc all day long.
Then somehow I got into trying to tweak some aspects of the OS
(Windoze) to get some game to work or trying to solve some of the
innumerable crashes that Windoze 98 inherently brings in,
installing/reinstalling the OS, etc. And I learned as I went on.
After that I have never really looked back -- kept learning about
computers the hard way i.e. by trying stuff out instead of simply
reading books.
I've thought of many professions that would not involve programming or
would only be restricted to concept development. But each time I
realized that the one thing I always enjoyed was sitting up nights to
try something for the first time, like the time I first tried Debian
(my first ever distro, a little over 3 years back, still hooked on ;-)
) I stayed up 5 nights in a row, reinstalling again and again, each
time learning something new about this strange, new, somewhat cool
system.
Siddhesh
Computers was my hobby and I learnt about windows
related stuff on my
own, to the extent that those who taught me how to startup and shut
down a pc and hold a mouse, now take technical advice from me.
*snip*
Heh. Same here :) 
24 Feb
24 Feb
6:34 p.m.
On 2/23/06, Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people
on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job in
the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you still
do it?
I make my computer work for me!
If programming was the worst paying job, I'd make
an effort to change the industry. :-)
--
Rohan
http://rohan.almeida.in
11:59 p.m.
On Thursday 23 February 2006 17:47, Philip Tellis wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people
on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job
in the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you
still do it?
I started using a computer out of curiosity. It then became my hobby and
now a passion and it's on it's way to become my job. Now if the pay
packet was only Rs.2000/- then I may not be doing that particular job.
May be if all the jobs in the Computer industry would be paying only
Rs.2000 then I wouldn't be in the Computer industry BUT it would still
remain my passion and my hobby :)
--
Dinesh A. Joshi
25 Feb
25 Feb
6:01 p.m.
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Philip Tellis wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people
on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job in
the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you still
do it?
I stumbled on to working with computers and somehow managed to go
through jobs/initiatives that had a computer involved (was it a decision
made by the unconscious mind - I have no ready answer).
If it was the worst paying job...well for a momentary period it was for
me (and I stuck around) so I guess I would stick to it.
- -SM
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You see things; and you say 'Why?';
But I dream things that never were;
and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
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27 Feb
27 Feb
2:51 p.m.
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job in
the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you still
do it?
I was a commerce graduate , meandering towards probably a career in god
knows what. I took up a computer course just to kill time since we had
shifted to a new place and I didn't have friends to hang out with and kill
time. Boy, was i hooked?
I don't know the answer to your question but on another note, I am
fascinated by the open source world. My aim is to be able to deliver
something useful back to the community. I try as far as possible to use Open
Source packages because I genuinely believe in them.
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Warm Regards
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Vinayak
http://theregoesanotherday.blogspot.com/
Albert Einstein - "Before God we are all equally wise - and equally
foolish."
2 Mar
2 Mar
7:50 p.m.
<snip>
Hey quite a lot of great answers,
I would change my job and switch on to a another one, but still using
computers for my personal stuff.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE AUTHOR(philip) OF THIS THREAD THINKS, I MEAN
YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE SAME QUESTION :) \m/
reasons. If
computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job in
the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you still
do it?
11:25 p.m.
Sometime Today, Tux user assembled some asciibets to say:
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE AUTHOR(philip) OF THIS
THREAD THINKS, I MEAN
YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE SAME QUESTION :) \m/
I already did computer programming for a really low salary... less than
what I used to make as a student, and yes, I'd still do it if it got me
no money.
4 Mar
4 Mar
3:25 a.m.
On Thursday 23 February 2006 23:17, Philip Tellis wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many people
on this list work
with computers because it's their job, and how many do it for other
reasons. If computer programming/sys admin was the worst paying job in
the industry, paying something like Rs 2000/- per month, would you still
do it?
I touched a Windows computer for the first time in the year 2000, when I was
in the 9th standard.. I could barely use the mouse. Before that, in the 7th
standard, I had used some weird thing called Logo or something. Anyway. So,
my first experience with Windows was in a cyber cafe. I was there to get a
'feel' of the internet.
In 2003. I was studying in VESP, Chembur. I had mastered Dreamweaver and
stuff. I had decent knowledge of Windows. I was a semi-geek. I had heard the
word Linux mentioned somewhere and I had seen lilo on one of the lab
computers showing off the words linux and windows.
I got my first computer 2003. I installed RH9 on it along with Windows 98 and
XP. I didn't know what to do with Gnome, but I liked KDE back then. But I
couldn't get stuff like internal modem working. RH9 didn't last too long on
my computer, but back then, I loved Windows XP.
The following year, I quit college in my 3rd (and final) year. There were
quite a few personal problems. That's when I started using Linux, in March
2004, out of curiosity. I think I tried SuSE 9.1 back then, along with
Mandrake. I liked SuSE, but I loved Linux in general. It was something new,
something different and something to actually learn.
By the end of 2004, I had Gentoo 2004.3 installed on my computer. Gentoo
taught me quite a bit actually. But then for some reason that I don't
remember, I stopped using Linux for a few months in 2005. Then, with 2005.1,
I was back to Gentoo and since then I've been on Linux.
In the meanwhile, I haven't gone back to college. People tell me that I should
complete my 3rd year because right now, my qualification is just SSC. I don't
think I don't want to complete college, because I'd rather be doing Linux.
So what do I plan to do? Well, I'd want to contribute in whatever way that I
can. I'd want to learn this thing and become the absolute master. I don't
want a job though. I want to teach. I want to spread Linux. I'm good at
teaching. That'll be my career. I don't care about getting paid Rs. 50,000 a
month. Rs. 10,000 would suffice me, because my needs are minimalistic. I'd
want to be able to pay off my bills, buy myself decent clothes and food, pay
for my internet connection and upgrade my computer from time to time. I'll
try to save some money to buy music and books from time to time. I would love
that to be my life!
Anyway, I don't know why I wrote all this. I hope you don't feel that you've
wasted your valuable time reading this. If people actually do read the whole
thing, I expect them to not tell me that I'm stupid or idiotic, because
firstly, I know what I'm doing and secondly, I wouldn't care about what
people would say.
So anyway, THAT's why I'm here.
Cheers,
Mrugesh
10:41 a.m.
Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
In the meanwhile, I haven't gone back to college.
People tell me that
I should complete my 3rd year because right now, my qualification is
just SSC. I don't think I don't want to complete college, because I'd
rather be doing Linux.
Mrugesh, please do complete your graduation. It lets you use the
elevator while the rest have to use the stairs. You are young so it will
not be a problem. :)
All the best,
Rony.
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2:36 p.m.
Sometime Today, Mrugesh Karnik assembled some asciibets to say:
standard, I had used some weird thing called Logo or
something. Anyway. So,
Logo is a great educational tool. Consider teaching it to primary
school kids (3-9 years of age). They'll learn programming, math and
physics all in one.
If you do consider teaching, then you will need to be qualified (unless
you run your own institute/tuition classes). It's easier to get into
consulting without a degree (or even HSC pass) if you're good.
Philip
3:13 p.m.
Dear Mrugesh,
I am touched by your feelings and ideas and love for teaching.
On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 03:25, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
In the meanwhile, I haven't gone back to college.
People tell me that I should
complete my 3rd year because right now, my qualification is just SSC. I don't
think I don't want to complete college, because I'd rather be doing Linux.
I would agree with the people who advised you to finish your graduation.
Education is VERY IMPORTANT. So please finish you graduation ASAP.
So what do I plan to do? Well, I'd want to
contribute in whatever way that I
can. I'd want to learn this thing and become the absolute master. I don't
want a job though. I want to teach. I want to spread Linux. I'm good at
teaching. That'll be my career. I don't care about getting paid Rs. 50,000 a
month. Rs. 10,000 would suffice me, because my needs are minimalistic. I'd
want to be able to pay off my bills, buy myself decent clothes and food, pay
for my internet connection and upgrade my computer from time to time. I'll
try to save some money to buy music and books from time to time. I would love
that to be my life!
Here is a opportunity for you to teach. We will be conducting a seminar
@ Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Technology( RGIT). The date fixed is 11th
March 2006. You are invited to teach on the topics already decided.
I will send the more info ASAP. Let me know if you are interested.
Cheers,
Mrugesh
With regards,
--
--Dinesh Shah :-)
<Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com>
Shah Micro System
+91-98213-11906
6 Mar
6 Mar
12:57 a.m.
On Saturday 04 March 2006 09:43, Dinesh Shah wrote:
Here is a opportunity for you to teach. We will be
conducting a
seminar @ Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Technology( RGIT). The date fixed
is 11th March 2006. You are invited to teach on the topics already
decided.
What seminar are you conducting?
--
Dinesh A. Joshi
4 Mar
4 Mar
7:09 p.m.
On 3/4/06, Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I expect them to not tell me that I'm stupid or idiotic, because
firstly, I know what I'm doing and secondly, I wouldn't care about what
people would say.
Well said! Your complete mail, not just the above lines. Teaching Linux is
a respectable profession. And it would get you more that rs 10k per month.
:)
Regards,
NMK.
7:14 p.m.
On Friday 03 March 2006 21:55, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
I touched a Windows computer for the first time in the
year 2000,
when I was in the 9th standard.. I could barely use the mouse. Before
that, in the 7th standard, I had used some weird thing called Logo or
something. Anyway. So, my first experience with Windows was in a
cyber cafe. I was there to get a 'feel' of the internet.
In 2003. I was studying in VESP, Chembur. I had mastered Dreamweaver
and stuff. I had decent knowledge of Windows. I was a semi-geek. I
had heard the word Linux mentioned somewhere and I had seen lilo on
one of the lab computers showing off the words linux and windows.
I got my first computer 2003. I installed RH9 on it along with
Windows 98 and XP. I didn't know what to do with Gnome, but I liked
KDE back then. But I couldn't get stuff like internal modem working.
RH9 didn't last too long on my computer, but back then, I loved
Windows XP.
The following year, I quit college in my 3rd (and final) year. There
were quite a few personal problems. That's when I started using
Linux, in March 2004, out of curiosity. I think I tried SuSE 9.1 back
then, along with Mandrake. I liked SuSE, but I loved Linux in
general. It was something new, something different and something to
actually learn.
By the end of 2004, I had Gentoo 2004.3 installed on my computer.
Gentoo taught me quite a bit actually. But then for some reason that
I don't remember, I stopped using Linux for a few months in 2005.
Then, with 2005.1, I was back to Gentoo and since then I've been on
Linux.
In the meanwhile, I haven't gone back to college. People tell me that
I should complete my 3rd year because right now, my qualification is
just SSC. I don't think I don't want to complete college, because I'd
rather be doing Linux.
So what do I plan to do? Well, I'd want to contribute in whatever way
that I can. I'd want to learn this thing and become the absolute
master. I don't want a job though. I want to teach. I want to spread
Linux. I'm good at teaching. That'll be my career. I don't care about
getting paid Rs. 50,000 a month. Rs. 10,000 would suffice me, because
my needs are minimalistic. I'd want to be able to pay off my bills,
buy myself decent clothes and food, pay for my internet connection
and upgrade my computer from time to time. I'll try to save some
money to buy music and books from time to time. I would love that to
be my life!
Anyway, I don't know why I wrote all this. I hope you don't feel that
you've wasted your valuable time reading this. If people actually do
read the whole thing, I expect them to not tell me that I'm stupid or
idiotic, because firstly, I know what I'm doing and secondly, I
wouldn't care about what people would say.
So anyway, THAT's why I'm here.
Bravo! Very well written. I too love teaching. I used to teach C / C++
but the students should be interested :(
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