I think only those may get cross posted emails who are members of more than one list. Now, why would one want to be member of more than one list? For the same reason one would want to post on more than one list. If there is something not specific to one region -- like national level why should other lists be deprived of it? If India goes for FOSS policy, where would one post it? iLUGD, Mumbia, Pune, Chennai? Or may to to as many as possible to keep everyone informed. So, I guess cross-posting is OK. Swapnil

Greetings, IS it not possible to have one ILUG group so cross posting can be avoided? Regardss, Rajajgopal On 5/20/11, Binand Sethumadhavan <binand(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Regards, Rajagopal

Greetings, Any rationale for 'no'? Regards, Rajagopal On 5/20/11, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com> wrote: -- Regards, Rajagopal

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 07:21:13AM +0530, Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: Is it possible to have a single LUG globally so that cross posting can be completely eliminated? -- Regards, Nitesh Mistry | www.mistrynitesh.com PGP Key ID A6FEF696 | 'geekosopher' on irc.freenode.net

2011/5/21 Narendra Sisodiya <narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com>om>: Do you mean unity = you propose, everyone else follows? What exactly is wrong with the current system (or lack of it)? Binand

On Saturday 21 May 2011 16:10:11 Nishit Dave wrote: If every one behaved like you, we will have to have a couple of petabytes more storage just to store repeat junk, 4 eyes -1 for toppost and one for bottom post, etc. -- Rgds JTD

On 05/21/2011 04:10 PM, Nishit Dave wrote: Without etiquette there will be chaos. This applies to all walks of life. -- Freedom is a shared resource. Take some, leave the rest for others. Please trim your replies. Avoid cross posting to other lists. Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space. Regards, Rony.

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Narendra Sisodiya <narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote: .... snip .... I thought the fosscomm mailing list was for this purpose. Who is going to decide that? Who is going to do the M&A integration of the multiple lists? ... snip ... Besides, an all India mailing list [a] already exists but the traffic there is very low. This suggests that people prefer to join the "local" ILUG mailing list. [a] "ILUG-LIH" <linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net>et>, -- Arun Khan A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

On 23/05/11 7:27 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote: I beg to disagree. FOSSCOMM has been very successful in a lot of areas. Why not start it? Nobody is stopping you. I wish you all luck and success. That's the problem. Even when it comes to the country, everyone has ideas about what needs to be done. Nobody goes out there and does it. Promotion where? If you are talking government and education, I'd agree. But then FOSSCOMM has already done tons of work there with great outcomes. For the CS student or even the mango man, the era of promotion is over. Most of them know what FOSS is, and there is a great body of knowledge on the Internet. They don't need lists like this. Cheers, Amol Hatwar

On 23/05/11 8:04 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote: Agree. Nothing wrong in discussion. But I am generally wary of discussions that turn into obdurate arguments. Maybe, maybe not. All I can say is that one can't change societal habits any faster than the society's own whims and wishes. Hope you'll share your findings here :o). Cheers, Amol Hatwar

On Tuesday 24 May 2011, Rony wrote: Hmm, I have ideological issues with that. So padding my backside for the kicking it's sure to get on this list... The primary reason for adoption of FOSS should be ideological. As long as you keep promoting practical reasons for adoption, you will lose out in the long run. For instance, someone claims that FOSS is cheaper than the proprietary alternative. Does that mean we should start promoting (say) Winduhs if MS starts giving it away without charge just because it's easier to use? Similar arguments apply to any characteristic of FOSS you choose (security, efficiency, etc.) APART from the freedom-related arguments. Some of these include: - Not being tied to a specific vendor for support - Ability to customise the package for own requirements - Ability to audit the package for security - Ability to strip down the package for non-standard uses - Ability to use parts of the package in other packages - Ability to localise the package without vendor intervention - Ability to port the package to other platforms Note that all of these are absolute; relative comparisons (faster than, cheaper than, more secure than, easier to use than, etc.) have no place in promotion of FOSS IMNSHO. In any case, if you manage to push enough people to use a package for absolute, freedom-centric reasons, there will be enough developers jumping on to make the relative comparisons favourable :) Regards, -- Raj -- Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves

On Tuesday 24 May 2011, Rony wrote: ...until someone makes a more irresistible proprietary software and users flock to that, hurling freedom and portability out of the window in the process. Regards, -- Raj -- Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves

On 05/24/2011 02:19 PM, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) wrote: Utility and ease of use will always be king. -- Freedom is a shared resource. Take some, leave the rest for others. Please trim your replies. Avoid cross posting to other lists. Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space. Regards, Rony.

On Thursday 26 May 2011 10:39:38 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: Like build a successful product and ideology will form around it. What is termed as ideology is only partly so. It is mainly methodology. FOSS methodology arose from a certain ideology, just like other development methodologies. One can't develop methodology without an underlying ideology or core principle/s. There might be successful products by seat of pants methodology, but that is not a very repeatable method. There will also be unsuccessful products even after following ideology / methodology. But then others will be able to refine the method.

I already see that happening in mobile space. Android is #1 player (in terms of marketshare) in Smartphone ecosystems. And I can do pretty much anything on my Android devices. Users don't care about freedom, but they do care that Android phones are now available for 9k. And a nice UI on top of Linux makes it usable by common people. -Shamit

On 24/05/11 12:39 PM, Rony wrote: Disclaimer: FOSS needs more blood in terms of developers who will go the extra mile and publish code in the spirit of freedom. FOSS already has critical mass, the revolution is already practically feeding itself. The only evangelism and intervention that is needed (I think) is in places where a few make decisions for many. And FOSSCOMM has been pretty successful in that area. Cheers, Amol Hatwar

Greetings, On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Amol Hatwãr <amol.hatwar(a)exceed.co.in> wrote: With my humble experience with students and 'teachers', 'professors', 'lecturerers' in the trenches of popular schools, colleges etc. and IMHO your could as well be living in Pluto. No personal offense intended please. I visited Nashik, Kalyan, some other places in Maharashtra (I agree it is not entire India) and what you are talking makes absolutely no sense to them. -- Regards, Rajagopal

I agree. I think the idea of local lists is that you can discuss local issues without being buried under the load of unwanted mails. However, at times and with care cross-posting can be done. For example if India goes for FOSS policy, where would one post it? It should be posted at as many LUGs possible so all members are aware and participate. Similarly, if one has a problem and need immediate solution should she post only to one list assuming someone on this list only will have the solution? Cross posting is tricky and should be done with care realising what you want to achieve. Swapni

On 05/23/2011 12:12 AM, Anurag wrote: Once we (everyone) join those lists we will take this number to new mind boggling heights. ;-) -- Freedom is a shared resource. Take some, leave the rest for others. Please trim your replies. Avoid cross posting to other lists. Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space. Regards, Rony.