Linuxers August 2006

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[OT] repairs. toshiba tecra. lamington road?
by Abhishek Daga 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

My tecra laptop screen cannot stay up if the angle if it is tilted more than 90 degrees. is there any recommended place on lamington road or vicinity that will "tighten the screws" on that? thanks. abhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Roshan 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> > is there any lug meet happening anytime soon ? > > > Would 27th of August be fine with all? Though the thread has gone a bit off topic (geeks to meet ;) no problem) , 27th August would be fine (hopefully) for me. But it seems to be very late. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Sorry that my previous post had an unnecessary forwarded suffix. > Please note that this is about giving your Yahoo/MSN info to third > party. There's nothing wrong in giving Yahoo/MSN's login/passwd to > Yahoo/MSN itself, no matter if its a new kid around the block or an > old heavy weight. What Yahoo/MSN will do with your info is clearly > mentioned in their TOS. I am tired of listening to things that I already knew much much before. Arey where is the solution? How do I chat? Dont we use third party IM clients? God knows what they are doing with our passwords. It might take some time before a back door is discovered, and thats equally bad. What about the alternate email IDs these people ask for. Yahoo! might not abuse its own ID but might do so with a GMail ID. I am not accusing, but I am just curious. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> Ok, I'll tell you what. You give me all your passwords, and I'll agree > that there's nothing wrong with using meebo. If you're not willing to > give me your passwords, then don't tell others to give out theirs. I did not understand. > Note, (and I hope you read this very very carefully), this is NOT about > giving out your email address. I already have that. This is about > passwords. What if there is a back door in the latest version of GAIM, Kopete, Freetalk, etc.. Sure one will notice it and plug the hole, but before thats done many people would have gone down the hole. > One last question for you. How many people have you seen who have lost > their Yahoo! account? I've seen thousands. Ah. Interesting. You work in Yahoo! don't you? So thats nothing unusual. But I think you have not got the whole picture. I did not make Meebo, they dont pay me. All I want is a solution. A workable solution. You have said these same things last time this whole discussion cropped up. But where is the alternative? I stop using Meebo. Fine. So how do I IM. Let me tell you that this IMing issue is one of the main reasons why people don't shift to a Free OS completly. And if they DO Meebo is their only saviour. Atleast the only one I know of. Cheers, Debarshi -- For animals, the entire universe has been neatly divided into things to (a) mate with, (b) eat, (c) run away from, and (d) rocks. (Equal Rites) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:41:31 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo Sometime on Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 02:44:51AM +0530, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray said: > >Remember the hulla ballo that was created when someone > >suggested using meebo? :O > > That someone was me. If you really want it, then we can have a nice > debate on this, and I can clearly explain to you why it was at all > needed. > > Why blame meebo? Because its the new kid on the block, and not as big > as Yahoo! MSN, or Google? How do you know that the big names are not > giving out your ID to some unwanted place? Please note that this is about giving your Yahoo/MSN info to third party. There's nothing wrong in giving Yahoo/MSN's login/passwd to Yahoo/MSN itself, no matter if its a new kid around the block or an old heavy weight. What Yahoo/MSN will do with your info is clearly mentioned in their TOS. > Tell me onething everybody. What happens if your mail account gets > infected by viruses of the sort that keep sending mails to all the > addresses in our address book. Its theoretically all right to talk That is the precise reason why this list does not allow emails larger than 7KB and strips out all the attachments. Most of these kinds of nematodes spread via attachments. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix. -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] gaurav.p.chaturvedi@gmail.com wants to 3D IM w/ you on IMVU
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

>> then the veterans of the group can take turns every week or fortnight >> to moderate. > that opens a fresh can of worms - who decides who is fit to moderate? > Boot is much simpler. Ah. Wonderful my dear friend Kenneth. I though you were a lawyer. So does the law permit you to execute a person if you can not give him a fair trial? For whatever reasons that be. I know this is getting a bit personal, but I strongly disagree with such browbeating attitude. The problem caused by this single piece of unwanted mail is NOTHING compared to the huge amount of OT discussions we have. Such threads are often extended by so called 'experienced' members of the list. So why not kick them out first? Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] AntiDialer (Sify Broadband Dialer) v0.2 released
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Hi guys, AntiDialer v0.2 has been released. Those interested may know more about it at: http://siddhesh.phpnet.us/antidialer.php Regards, Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Talking about giving out your email IDs to an unknown service... Well Yahoo, Google, etc.. were all unknown when they first started off. Weren't they? Yahoo! does ask for your alternate email ID. Does it not? Now what if they start giving off the alternate ID to spammers or some such elements? What happens then? You start victimizing all those poor souls? I have used Meebo, and I know people who still actively use it. NEVER ONCE have they felt comromised by Meebo. Obviously that does not make Meebo the example of honesty and purity, but it does call for some respect. I need to use Meebo, because I think most IM clients for GNU/Linux are useless. Yes useless. The list includes GNU Freetalk, GAIM, Kopete, X-Chat, Irssi, etc.. I know this sounds obnoxious but I will give you my reasons for saying this. I spend most of my time on the Internet behind a firewall that is very restrictive and seems to have most of the ports (including Jabber, IRC) blocked. But the thing is the Yahoo! messenger for WIndoze and GTalk client for Windoze all work. They both work just like that... out of the box. But GAIM does not, neither does Freetalk, neither does Kopete. I know there is no magic involved (this list had once lectured me on this... although I was never told something I did not know before). The apparent reason is that the ports used by these clients all seem to be blocked. But then why does the Windoze clients not get any obstruction? Why? Obviously the Jabber, Yahoo, MSN, etc. protocols have nothing to do with WIndoze or GNU/Linux. But the thing is that it does NOT work on GNU/Linux. Why??? I am not an expert on these protocols. Atleast not yet. Maybe I will become one soon, but the fact is why cant one use GAIM to do Gtalk, Yahoo, Jabber when on the same network people are having a gala time using the same services on Windoze? Why?? This where Meebo comes in. If we want to popularise GNU/Linux, then it is not a GREAT idea to tell people: "Hey this is Free Software, use it. Its great, its secure, its cooler. But give up chatting." For the non-wizard Meebo is the saviour. One cant explain a non-wizard the intricacies of firewalls, ports, etc.. They (to some extent that includes me) just need a working system. At the end of it all, I still use GNU Freetalk and BitchX and Irssi but I have to do it by sshing into a public shell server, but thats a solution which cant be applied to all. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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DHCP but no server
by Rony Bill 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Hello All, Today I tried out an experiment on a client's cablenet connection in windows. It was a pppoe connection with no static or dynamic ip assigned to the ethernet card, only a list of dns servers. By default the card was set to dhcp but since there was no dhcp server existing, the system would take time to search for a server before loading the full desktop. After a futile search, windows by default assigns a fake ip of 169.XXX.168.XXX and a mask of 255.255.0.0. The real ip, gateway is assigned by the pppoe. I set the system to static ip and gave the same fake ip and subnet. This solved the problem of the system hanging around for dhcp and the pppoe would then do its required job of enabling internet access. The same trick could be tried out for linux based systems in similar cablenet situations so that they don't hang around for dhcp servers. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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by Concepts Systems 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

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REVIEW: Building clouds... in cyberspace
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Building clouds... in cyberspace -- Building Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP Jim Bumgardner O'Reilly Ebook in PDF format 2006 ISBN: 0596527942 Pp 48 $9.99 US, $12.99 CAN http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/tagclouds/ -- Review by Frederick Noronha Tag clouds? What are those? O'Reilly's new e-book 'Building Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP' by Jim Bumgardner explains a concept every serious user of cyberspace would have at least heard of. Says Bumbardner: "Tag clouds are everywhere on the Web these days. First popularized by the web sites Flickr, Technorati, and del.icio.us, these amorphous clumps of words now appear on a slwe of web sites as visual evidence of their membership in the elite corps of 'Web 2.0'." Wikipedia says: "A tag cloud (more traditionally known as a weighted list in the field of visual design) is a visual depiction of content tags used on a website. Often, more frequently used tags are depicted in a larger font or otherwise emphasized, while the displayed order is generally alphabetical. Thus both finding a tag by alphabet and by popularity is possible. Selecting a single tag within a tag cloud will generally lead to a collection of items that are associated with that tag." If you're a content person like this reviewer, why bother at all about all this stuff? As long as I get my neatly-laid out keywords that give me a clue of what's where, why worry? But then, someone has to do the job of getting the tag clouds to work. And that's where this book is born out of a need. It may be a fad. But one which has "real merits" when used popularly, as Bumgardner explains. This e-book analyses what is and isn't a tag cloud. It offers design tips for using them effectively, and also shows how to collect tags and display them in the tag cloud format. Interesting background on issues like craiglist's weighted cities list, and statistically improbable phrases (SIPs) or capitalized phrases (CAPs) lists provided by Amazon.com. SIP has word order corelating to the improbability of the phrase. In the CAP list, the word order relates to the frequency with which the phrase appears in the book. After some interesting history about tag clouds -- which takes us to Flickr (who doesn't know this photography-sharing web site?), tag roots in the blogging community, and Jim Flanagan's Zeitgeist idea -- things start to get technical. There's code, graphs and how-tos.Time for me to leave it to techies, who prefer raw coding to merely writing book reviews!

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Linuxers August 2006