Linuxers March 2007

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glug-bom.org's home page (suggestion)
by Roshan 17 Mar '07

17 Mar '07

Hello List, In the last week, I went through a few pages on gnu.org and found the link to GNU/Linux User Group, Bombay as http://www.ilug-bom.org.in which, as informed has expired, and also does not offer redirection. I sent an email to the webmaster change it to glug-bom.org and the same has been reflected now. I have a small suggestion for the home page, not sure whether it is really a great idea, but seems to be reasonably good to me. An image from the Picture Gallery could be in place of the meet's summary that would randomly change each time a user visits the website / refreshes the home page. Every month's meet summary could be put up at the same location for a few days (may be <=3 days). It will also be put up on the wiki. -- FSF of India Associate Fellow http://www.gnu.org.in http://www.india.gov.in __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Vijay has Tagged you! :)
by Vijay Alluru 17 Mar '07

17 Mar '07

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Help:LPI examination
by laxxi25 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Hi, I want to give the LPI exams.Could anyone please tell me how do i go about giving this exam.Where are the exam centers in Mumbai.How do i prepare for the exams etc.. Regards Laxmikant S Gatcchi Have you checked out the new-look www.indiatimes.com yet?

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Google Summer of Code http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html
by Frederick Noronha 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html Google Summer of Code Google Summer of Code 2007 is on! We are now accepting student applications. We've also published some additional web app documentation for mentors and organization administrators. All the information for participants in Google Summer of Code 2007, including student abstracts and other information provided by them, is available by visiting the individual mentoring organization pages below. Mentoring Organizations Participating in Google Summer of Code 2007 AbiSource (ideas) Adium (ideas) Aqsis Team (ideas) Ardour (ideas) ArgoUML (ideas) Audacious Media Player (ideas) Bazaar (ideas) BBC Research (ideas) Beagle (ideas) Blender Foundation (ideas) Boost C++ (ideas) BZFlag (ideas) Casetta (ideas) Center for the Study of Complex Systems (CSCS), University of Michigan (ideas) CLAM ( at the Universitat Pompeu Fabra) (ideas) Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (ideas) Coppermine Photo Gallery (ideas) coresystems GmbH (ideas) Creative Commons (ideas) Crystal Space (ideas) Debian (ideas) Detached Solutions (ideas) Dojo Foundation (ideas) Drupal (ideas) DSpace (ideas) Eclipse (ideas) Etherboot Project (ideas) eXist (ideas) FANN - The Fast Artificial Neural Network Library (ideas) FFmpeg (ideas) Fityk (ideas) FreeBSD (ideas) Freenet Project Inc (ideas) Freevo (ideas) Gaim (ideas) Gallery (ideas) GCC (ideas) Geeklog (ideas) GenMAPP (ideas) Gentoo Foundation (ideas) Git Development Community (ideas) GNOME (ideas) GNU Project (ideas) GnuCash (ideas) GNUstep (ideas) Google (ideas) Haiku (ideas) Handhelds.org (ideas) Haskell.org (ideas) hugin / panotools (ideas) IEM - Institute of Electronic Music and Acoustics, Graz (ideas) ikiwiki (ideas) Inkscape (ideas) Internet2 (ideas) Jikes RVM (ideas) Joomla! (ideas) K-3D (ideas) KDE (ideas) Lanka Software Foundation (ideas) Liblime (ideas) LispNYC.org (ideas) LLVM Compiler Infrastructure (ideas) MacPorts (ideas) maemo (ideas) MetaBrainz Foundation (ideas) Mixxx (ideas) MoinMoin Wiki Project (ideas) Mono Project (ideas) Moodle (ideas) Mozilla Foundation (ideas) MySQL AB (ideas) National Evolutionary Synthesis Center (NESCent), Phyloinformatics Group (ideas) Nmap Security Scanner (ideas) OGRE (ideas) Open Security Foundation (OSVDB) (ideas) Open Source Applications Foundation (ideas) OpenICC (ideas) OpenMoko (ideas) OpenMRS (ideas) OpenOffice.org (ideas) OpenSolaris (ideas) Oregon State University Open Source Lab (OSU OSL) (ideas) OSCAR (ideas) OSGeo (ideas) PHP (ideas) Plan 9 from Bell Labs (ideas) PlanetMath (ideas) Plone Foundation (ideas) Portland State University (ideas) PostgreSQL project (ideas) Python Software Foundation (ideas) Robert H. Lurie Comprehensive Cancer Center of Northwestern University (ideas) Rockbox (ideas) Ruby Central, Inc. (ideas) Samba (ideas) SCons Foundation: Next-Generation Build Tool (ideas) Scribus Development Team (ideas) ScummVM (ideas) SilverStripe Limited (ideas) SIP Communicator (ideas) Sparse (ideas) Squeak (ideas) SquirrelMail (ideas) Subversion (ideas) Swarm Development Group (ideas) Swathanthra Malayalam Computing (ideas) Taste (ideas) The Apache Software Foundation (ideas) The Codehaus (ideas) The Electronic Frontier Foundation (ideas) The Fedora Project (ideas) The Free Software Initiative of Japan (ideas) The gEDA Project (ideas) The GGI Project (ideas) The NetBSD Project (ideas) The Space Telescope Science Institute (ideas) Thousand Parsec (ideas) Ubuntu (ideas) Umit Project (ideas) VideoLAN (ideas) Vim (ideas) Wikimedia Foundation (ideas) WinLibre (ideas) WordPress (ideas) wxPython (ideas) wxWidgets (ideas) X.Org (ideas) Xiph.org Foundation (ideas) XMMS2 (ideas) XMPP Standards Foundation (ideas) XWiki (ideas) Zope Foundation, Inc (ideas) We are no longer accepting applications from open source organizations. If you're feeling nostalgic, you can still access the Google Summer of Code 2005 and Google Summer of Code 2006 pages. We've also created a map (requires Google Earth) of all 2006 mentors and student participants for your perusal. Questions? Please peruse our FAQ and Terms of Service for more information about the program. If you still have questions, email us for support -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com What bloggers are saying about Goa: http://planet.goa-india.org/

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Reducing IT costs in Govt. Offices.
by Rony 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Hello All, The points raised by Kenneth got me thinking about this issue and came up with an idea for long term cost reduction in IT. Right now every Govt. office where the IT is implemented, has to be visited by experts who are aware of software installation as well as setup, in order to install as well as upgrade software. The offices also need sys-admins to manage admin level tasks. For an entire State, it can be a daunting task if new software packages are to be implemented over all its computers. So here is a concept that is a mix of advantages of all the current systems like Computer farms, Thin client, Network install and Raid5. There is a central server which is a very powerful machine. It is connected to various other smaller servers in different locations, via broadband or a private network and they in turn connect to other machines directly or again through sub-servers. The entire network is mapped properly. The central server is the only machine thats manually loaded with the full softwares. The other machines install themselves automatically in a cascading manner from top to bottom. The entire process is already mapped and programmed into the central server. As each of the sub-servers come up, they install the machines under them and so on. Since all the machines have their own HDDs, they run independent of their parent servers in case the servers break down. If any machine's HDD crashes, then it is simply replaced and it automatically updates itself over the network. The manpower used to maintain the systems need not be software savvy, only hardware guys. Every day when the user switches on the pc, it checks for updates/upgrades automatically through the network and is up to date without any manual effort. So only a small team of experts is actually sitting in the central server room installing software packages or upgrading them, whereas all the other systems get updated automatically down the line. A test lab is setup permanently in the central server premises where there is a small server-client network that works as a test system before the software is implemented on the central server. A hardware compatibility list can be sent to all departments so they purchase/replace hardware based on that list only. Once the setup is complete, it will be available to all vendors so in future they can create packages based on this structure only. The sys-admins too are few and centrally located in a call center and they do the necessary admin tasks on the systems. No user gets admin access. -- Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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RE: is this foss?
by Vimal Joseph 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >an interesting discussion took place on IRC today regarding this: >http://www.space-kerala.org/downloads/foss.pdf sorry to head into this discussion a bit late. >The question was, with regard to #2 on the list - software developed >by keltron, is it foss or not? First, this book focus on the successful projects based on Free Software, implemented by the government/public sector organizations in Kerala. It is to show case the fact that FOSS is not just in theory, but successfully used by many organizations, especially in govt. sector. So It will help convince decision makers to go for Free Software. It also include an article by FSF India, to educate them why we should use Free Software. >My contention is that the tools used >are irrelevant. The software was paid for by the government, and >developed by the government, all using our tax rupees. I also agree with you completely. The draft IT Policy of Kerala Govt. says exactly the same. (http://itforum.kerala.gov.in/) <quote> 8.4 The Government is of the view that knowledge generated through public funding should be freely available to the public. Facilities will be developed to ensure the same. </quote> So we hope that in future all govt./public enterprises in Kerala will follow it. >But there is >no indication whether the source for the application is open or not, >available to the users or not, modifiable, downloadable or >redistributable or not. Therefore this is not f/oss as it goes >against the fundamental notion that software should be freely >available, downloadable, modifiable and redistributable with or >without modifications. All software mentioned in the book are custom made software for specific purpose of the different govt./public sector organizations. There is not much need to make those software distributable or made available to public. As those software are not public utility software. But all software mentioned in the book are made with Free Software and will work on a Free Software platform. So the organizations using those software need not go for proprietary platform to run the software. <quote> Richard M. Stallman (http://fsfeurope.org/documents/rms-fs-2006-03-09.en.html) Please note that the majority of software, nearly all software, is neither free nor proprietary, it is custom software developed for one particular user. If that one particular user has all these freedoms, say, if that user has the full rights to the software, then you might say in a trivial sense that it's Free Software. There's only one user and that user is free. No user has been subjugated; no one is being mistreated in this way. Of course there are always other ethical issues that might enter the situation. There are many ethical issues in life, but in this one particular ethical issue, at least in that case, nothing wrong is being done. </quote> >I was further of the opinion that the authors >of the PDF in question have tried to give an impression that free >software is flourishing in the state. It is a universal truth that Free Software is flourishing in Kerala. No one can Deny the fact. In Kerala, most of the population have some idea what Free Software (swathantra software) is. Here all Govt./Aided high schools use "Free Software", Most of the teachers and students know the evil of proprietary softwares. Also Govt. of Kerala with its IT Policy (http://itforum.kerala.gov.in) gave full support to Free Software. >However the free software guru with whom I was debating >seemed to thing that this did not fall under the definition of >proprietary software. Opinions anyone? As I quoted before, from a speech of RMS, the software mentioned in this book are neither proprietary nor free software, they are all custom software made using Free Software tools. The book is released before the Kerala Govt. published its draft of IT Policy. And in the policy it is clearly stated that all knowledge generated through public funding should be freely available to the public. So I hope in near future, all the software mentioned in the book may change its status from custom software to Free Software. And other states and countries will follow the model set by Kerala. regards, ~vimal

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Fwd: [foss.in] Open Source Camp Mumbai
by Roshan 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

-- vineetag_1999 wrote: > Date: 15 Mar 2007 20:24:19 -0700 > To: foss-in(a)yahoogroups.com > From: "vineetag_1999" <vineet(a)value-one.com> > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:26:08 -0000 > Subject: [foss.in] Open Source Camp Mumbai > > Hi All > > Open Source UnConference (BarCamp) is being > organized in Mumbai on 24 > March 2007. Come over for intense sessions on open > source and great > networking opportunity. No marketing talks, only > hardcore techie stuff!!! > > If you are going to be speaker or participating add > your name on the > wiki at http://barcamp.org/OssBarCampMumbai > > Regards > > Vineet Agrawal > http://www.osscube.com -- FSF of India Associate Fellow http://www.gnu.org.in GNU/Linux is an operating system, alternative to Windows __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help:LPI examination
by Sameer Niphadkar 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 laxxi25 wrote : > >Hi, > >I want to give the LPI exams.Could anyone please tell me how do i go about giving this exam.Where are the exam centers in Mumbai.How do i prepare for the exams etc.. > LPI is a vendor independant exam, testing core linux sys-admin and networking skills. It has 3 levels junior, senior and expert with 2 tests per level. So u need to give 6 tests to be an expert, nevertheless the 1st 4 tests are equivalent to a RHCE. I hardly know anyone who has given all the 6 tests. In Mumbai there are few training centers at Andheri which offer LPI prep, the best way to get in touch with them is to contact Onward Novell at MIDC where these exams are conducted. You may google for more info of LPI and its prep material - and if you have some prior experience with Linux you can very well prepare on your own. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Automate_Linux_and_UNIX_using_shells_and_scripti… The above link may be a good place to start. All the best rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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KDE Google Summer of Code
by Pradeepto Bhattacharya 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

Hi folks, I am sure Google Summer of Code is nothing new to most of you people. So we have GSoC '07 even. And like previous years, even this year The KDE Project will be an mentor organisation. Some of you might have seen the dot[1] news. So I would really urge the students on the list who are familiar with C++ and Qt/KDE development to take part in SoC. So send in your proposals. Its a great way to learn new stuff and become a part of a FOSS project. Here are a few pointers [2] and [3]. Please note that [3] is a list of ideas that various mentors have put in. They are not the only ideas. You can come up with your own - say for your favourite KDE application - and recommend the same to the maintainer/author of that application. See what he/she says and work on the idea and put forth an proposal to google. If the mentors like your proposal and it gets selected nothing better than that. Go ahead and do some cool stuff. Now here's some simple points that I have realised from my last year's experience : While putting forth an proposal, don't be lazy and just cut/copy/paste what the mentor has already posted on [3]. Be original and explain what exactly you would like to do, how etc. Now if there are students on this list who think that they are not good in C++/Qt yet, especially the ones in 1st and 2nd year, fret not. You have an year or two to learn the same and work on it. And most importantly getting involved in FOSS - in this case Qt/KDE development doesnot need a SoC even. Just fix a bug or whatever - I am sure you know the drill or have heard it countless times. There is loads of source lying around, pick it up and get going. And trust me, your chances increase manifold if you already are an contributor. Because the mentors know that you can do stuff. Although that means nothing, last year I saw many students who were new and did an awesome job and some of them kept going on and are now actually contributing to various KDE projects. Good luck to all of you. [1]http://dot.kde.org/1173949256/ [2]http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Summer_of_Code/2007/Participation [3]http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Summer_of_Code/2007/Ideas [4]http://code.google.com/soc/student_step1.html Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://in.kde.org Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Python Queries
by Sameer Niphadkar 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 Sameer Niphadkar wrote : >On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 Nikhil Marathe wrote : > >> > >>1) How does one get the exact value of an element down a tree like say : > >> <abc><xyz><pqr>100</pqr></xyz></abc> > >> > >> So in the above case say the value 100, though it could be a >>string >>as well. We require the exact value, not its representation >>in XML or >>ASCII value as explained by you in some books. > > > > > >You could get the node's value and pass it to python's eval >function. Since eval returns the parsed python expression it will >give a logical return value like 100 as an int and abcd as a string > > >Rigth now we are importing minidom lib and trying to parse it by element names like : > > reflist = xmldoc.getElementsByTagName("pqr") #For the case above > ref = reflist[0] > >Just as u mentioned..the node value. So do we need to pass reflist[0] i.e the 1st child here to the eval function ? Also could you please elaborate on this function. Actually this is what we were looking fwd to : #This is also true of re.split: >>> splitter = re.compile('<.>') >> splitter.split('hi<a>there<b>from<c>python') ['hi', 'there', 'from', 'python'] 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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