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Reg. Diskless Nodes
by Jawahar K Manickam 20 Feb '03

20 Feb '03

Dear Friend, This is Jawahar, Sys.Admin from Gandhigram University. Until now we are working in Windows platform and we have planned to change over to Linux and mainly for Dikless workstation (we are having nearly 50, 486 machines. I have tried all the possibilities in www.ltsp.org and all other site you have mentioned. But i am receiving error Kernle Panic, No init found. So if you can please send me a step by step procedure (for a new man to linux) for installing Diskless workstation. Thank You Expecting your valuable reply. Jawahar.M Jawahar Manickam

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Software legislation - crazy legislation in VA, MD in USA...
by Dinesh Bareja 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

Hi folks Sorry but I just have to share this too. It is a dangerous trend this article talks about and this makes a stronger case for Open Source to be pushed more aggressively. The Business Software Alliance (BSA) mentioned in the article has shades of a Big Brother in the making !! Is this really an indication of the shape of things to come ?? <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,890836,00.asp>SICK OF SOFTWARE? STAY AWAY FROM VIRGINIA (AND MARYLAND TOO) Crummy UCITA Legislation is Back Imagine a world where software reviews are illegal. Imagine a world where it's illegal to even criticize a program you don't like. Well you don't have to imaginethem's the law in Virginia and Maryland. OK, so you don't live there. You're still at risk! John C. Dvorak bemoans the state of these moronic laws, and adds a twist of his ownhe gets a cool $1,000 every time someone sends him email. Find out how you can protect your rights, and turn your e-mail into gold too! Best wishes - Dinesh Bareja (m) +91 98203 0159 (t) +91 22 2878 9067 (e) dinesh(a)ideagrid.com ====== http://www.ideagrid.com ====== winning strategies ! simple ideas !

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Interesting happening - Opera <> M$
by Dinesh Bareja 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

Hi folks A little bit of fun in the browser wars ... Goes to prove that you should not mess around with a good thing :-) <http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,890280,00.asp>HILARIOUS OPERA HACK TWEAKS THE LION'S TAIL Those fun-loving Swedes over at Opera Software just crack me up! After Microsoft's MSN served up broken web-pages to Opera's browser, they could have griped and sued. But rather than get mad, they got even, and released a very special "Swedish Chef" version of their lightweight browser. It grafts my favorite Muppet's nearly unintelligible cadence onto MSN's home page. Need a laugh? You gotta see the screenshot we took on Valentine's day. Sample text: "Send a lufe cerd: Sveet, sexy and foon." Bork Bork Bork! Best wishes - Dinesh Bareja (m) +91 98203 0159 (t) +91 22 2878 9067 (e) dinesh(a)ideagrid.com ====== http://www.ideagrid.com ====== winning strategies ! simple ideas !

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Support for GNU/Linux in Mumbai...
by Optimal Solutions 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

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making a case for linux system
by manoj＠bhu.ac.in 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

Hi Friends I am a linux enthusiast and exclusively use linux for computing. I am working in a government University where IT and communication infrastructure are in the process of big change. The complete university network is being upgraded to gigabit net and university administration is being totally computerized. At this juncture a very crucial decision needs to be taken. That is regarding the proprietary vs open source software base of the system. I would like to impress upon the authorities to go in for open source softwares. There are supporters of this view but there are also many more who have lots of apprehensions about this. I want to give a talk on this issue to make a very strong and compelling case for GNU/Linux systems. I need ideas regarding the presentation to make it a success. Regards, Manoj

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Required Expert Trainers on Linux: Ref G Sagar
by Mitesh Vageriya 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

Dear: We require expert professionals to provide training and workshops on Linux(System Administration, Configuration, Kernel Programming, Networking, Installation, SAMBA, NFS, NIS). We are looking for people who are available on Saturdays and Sundays. Please mail your resume emphasizing on your expertise and experience in Linux. Also mention your current profession and expected remuneration per day[8 Hours]. Selected individuals shall have to dedicate 1 to 2 days for providing training on the topic of their expertise to engineering graduates. Yours truly, Mitesh L Vageriya Bit Wise Solutions

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where are feb14 pics
by Harsh R Busa 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

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Support for GNU/Linux in Mumbai...
by FN 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

I was in Pune recently, and was just discussing with some NGOs the possibility of using Free Software (following the lead that Greenpeace South Asia has given). Could anyone give me links to persons offer commercial but-reasonably-priced support that might be suitable to NGOs and non-profit organisations in a city like Mumbai? Many thanks. FN -- _____ _ _ _ | ___| __ ___ __| | ___ _ __(_) ___| | __ Freelance Journo, Goa India | |_ | '__/ _ \/ _` |/ _ \ '__| |/ __| |/ / http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | _|| | | __/ (_| | __/ | | | (__| < http://www.bytesforall.org |_| |_| \___|\__,_|\___|_| |_|\___|_|\_\ http://opennews.indianissues.org -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference

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LinuxForYou... what's in issue # 1
by FN 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

India's first GNU/Linux magazine made it to the newsstands recently. The first, inaugural February 2003 issue contains: ON THE CD------------------------------------------------- * Knoppix with bundled software (Open Office, KOffice, Mozilla Navigator, Mozilla Mail, Konqueror, GIMP, Ksnapshot (screen capture), XFig (geomatrical figure editor), QCAD (CAD software), XMMS (autio tool), games, KGeo and KStars (educational), KDevelop (the "Linux cousin of VC++) NEWS REPORTS---------------------------------------------- * Axis (Mass., US) launches Linux system-on-a-chip * Hyper-threading can speed up Linux by 51 per cent HT makes a single processor behave like two logical ones. * Hong Kong trio unveils Chinese GNU/Linux OS for mobile devices * Red Hat presepares GNU/Linux for technical workstations * Ark -- another distribution for the desktop "for the masses" * Linux ver 2.6 (kernel) by first half of 2003 * Sony, Matsushita plan GNU/Linux audio-video software * Red Hat shifts to carrier-grade * New IP videophone features embedded GNU/Linux OS * Cellphone makers may go the GNU/Linux way too INDIA NEWS------------------------------------------------ * Font contest winners spurn Microsoft, go LGPL * GNU/Linux-based handhelds -- Simputer and Kaii from B'lore * Let's make an 'apnalinux' -- creating one's own distro using Anaconda, and tweaking a RedHat distribution (how-to guide) * VIA C3 800 MHz, 20GB HDD, 64MB Hynix RAM, Asus motherboard, Aztec modem, FDD and headphones e-pc for Rs 11,990 and above without monitor. * Cygsoft Inc's ManageIP -- network management solution Free trial online at www.cygsoft.com * Intrusion detection software from nSecure www.nsecure.net * LG's GNU/Linux-based MY PC Rs 33,900 for basic model and Rs 36,500 for the multimedia model (P4, 128MBRam, 40GB, LG 15" monitor, LG 52XCDRom, optical mouse, keyboard, speakers) * LX50 server from Sun Microsystem * Mithi Software, Pune offers Connect Server for GNU/Linux. * Kalculate -- an Indian accounting package for GNU/Linux * TechnoInfosys brings GNU/Linux-based net management system Check www.technoinfosys.com This comes from Navi Mumbai. * Storage strategy software for GNU/Linux from Veritas, Delhi * Website (Kerala) offers Dodobase, instant web catalog publishing product. www.websight-tech.com * Star Office 6.0, Sun Microsystem's affordable software... * Bicnet offers eBiz integrated solution (pre-sales management, sales catalogue, shopping cart, auction floor, general ledger and financial accounting, inventory, e-recruitment, customer relationship mgt) www.bicserve.com * Rolta's security and messaging products for Indian corporate networks www.rolta.com * Octopus (Mumbai) offers complete enterprise mgt solution * E-mail manager from Data Impex (Delhi) * RTLinux gains support in India * Indian govt's move to "let in [GNU]Linux" FEATURES-------------------------------------------------- * GNU/Linux@Home -- it can coexist with Windows * KDE's KOffice -- an office suite that delivers * GNU/Linux certification -- The right choice? * Introducing RedHat 8.0 * SCO Linux 4.0 * Websites that offer more info on GNU/Linux (www.tldp.org The Linux Documentation Project, www.linuxlinks.com, www.linux.org, www.redhat.com, www.linux-india.org) * What's Knoppix? * Knoppix -- software bounty * Guide to running Knoppix * Shape and trim your Linux kernel * Red Hat's installation blues * Ten tips to make your life easier * What is a diskless PC? * Developer's basics: A world of shells... * Penguin programmer (developers basics) * Overview of GNU/Linux for the embedded appln developer * "Govt must declare [GNU]Linux the official OF of India," Sudhir Gandotra, CEO Indserve InfoTech * Is [GNU]Linux good for government? * Linux TCO -- a bitter harvest? * Penguin soup is the soul of IS managers * GNUCorner: Open Source -- a brief journey through its times (Err... could someone explain what GNU has to do with Open Source? Wasn't one trying to get away from the other?FN) MISCELLANEOUS--------------------------------------------- * CERTIFICATION: Linux-based products, tested and tried by LFY Lab, will earn the 'Linux Friendly' certification. Other common IT products that work without any hassles to get a 'Tested OK' mark. * EDITORIAL: Initial discussions about LINUX For You raised a few eyebrows, accompanied by soul-searching questions... Key question -- why a magazine on [GNU]Linux? (Many times accompanied by -- are you going anti-Microsoft?) Pay Rs 50 (that's the cost, including the CD) and see if you like it. Don't forget to send in your suggestions to efylinux1(a)electronicsforu.com -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference

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RMS in Mumbai !
by Dileep M. Kumar 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

Date: 14th February 2003 >>Richard M. Stallman will be in Mumbai on the 14th of February 2003 to >>speak on GNU and Free Software at the Quadrangle of VJTI, Mumbai. Have this speech recorded. Is it available for download. Regards -- .''`. Dileep M. Kumar <dileep(a)kumarayil.net> : :' : http://www.kumarayil.net `. `'` `- Debian GNU/Linux - Choice of the Freedom Lovers

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Re: DEBATE what cud have goa done....
by Gurpreet Singh 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

hi all what are friend "cromium" (nice name ;)... ) says is... LET THE STUDENTS START WITH M$ AND ONCE THEY KNOW HOW TO USE THE COMP U SHIFT THEM TO GNU/LINUX(right??) i certainly disagree dear, coz in that case what the students get to learn in windoze and not the compy. i am off the veiw that the world today is having these probs in switching over bcoz **they have grown with windoze** now what we need is that a child when he starts learning how to use the computer, sud start off with gnu/linux right away... he will anyways have that problem in learning windoze so why not have that trouble for something better... infact that is why i want to stress on the point that we shud aim at the spread to gnu/linux in the **schools** and i raised this point at GNUnify in pune too... we have been organizing workshops in engg colleges n all, WHY NOT TARGET A FEW SCHOOLS NOW?? this goes out as a spl request to ppl like trevor, dinesh bhai, dr nag. lets get to a few schools, at least as an experiment.. wat say? regards Gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Perl Beginning Books
by Meeta Kherdekar 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

Hi, you will find a good collection of technical books at, 1) http://freebooks.by.ru/ bye meeta

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Perl Beginning books
by akshaysalkar 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

I have a good perl book for seccond hand. Programming Perl - Larry Wall you can purchase from me at approx Rs.400 regards. email me at akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com -- linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: nyone having ideas regarding free ebooks for it . or ny good book to begin with -- _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy the best in Movies at http://www.videos.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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[OT] fwd: {SPAM?} ADV: Enjoy a spam-free inbox
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

Hi all, Here's a message that I got recently. As you can see its from some dot-com who thinks its good at handling spam. The mail itself got marked as "SPAM" on the IITB servers, by the way! ;-) ----- Forwarded message from Spam Arrest <info(a)spamarrest.com> ----- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 05:19:09 -0800 From: Spam Arrest <info(a)spamarrest.com> X-Scanned: By Symantec Carrier Scan Server Subject: {SPAM?} ADV: Enjoy a spam-free inbox To: "Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" <sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in> You may remember recently sending an email to a Spam Arrest customer, and receiving a response asking you to visit our website and type in a word that was shown to you in a picture. <snip> ----- End forwarded message ----- I do remember getting such a mail from a person named Rishi on this group. And I had replied to him saying that please try to keep mailing lists out of this hassle. Now through him spamarrest decides it has found an email address worth sending adverisements to, which I consider spam. Does that mean Rishi is responsible for my account getting these mails? Is there any place where I can discuss this with people involved in tackling the spam problem? Sameer.

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GNUnify diary for 16th ....
by Ravindra Jaju 17 Feb '03

17 Feb '03

I was lucky enough to visit GNUnify. A short write-up for the 2nd day at: http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~jaju/articles/?id=160203gnunify -- jaju

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Confussion in DRBD and ENBD
by Srinivas 17 Feb '03

17 Feb '03

Hi all I am having some little bit of confussion in DRBD and ENBD(Enhanced Network Block devise). Drbd is a file system for mirroring systems across a LAN. Enbd does same thing but it is not a file system. I am not understanding the exact difference between these two. What is the full name of DRBD. any one plz help me. thanx in advance. Regards Srinivasa Rao NatureSoft Pvt. Ltd. 11-20, 2nd Lane, Appu street, Mylapore, Chennai-600004. Phones:24617193/94/95. Extn:34

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re:DEBATE: What could Goa have done with ten million rupees..
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 17 Feb '03

17 Feb '03

On Monday 17 February 2003 10:47, Cromium C wrote: > * Lacture by Richard Stallman @ VJTI on 14th Feb. 2003 @ 6:00pm. * > Hi everybody, > > I am an avid Linux fan. But we have gotta face it: > what the CM of Goa said was right: in their present > avataars, all distros of Linux, including Redhat 8.0, > are difficult for kids. What is the basis of this statement? have you done any study? > We have to keep in mind that > in a classroom, there are roughly three varieties of > kids: sharp, average, and dumb. We have to try and > cater atleast to the first two. And Linux distros are > NOT good for average beginners (though the sharp > beginners might take to them like fish take to water.) > The solution is to let the kids have the M$ > handholding at first. Let em have it easy. After they > have picked up the basics, they can move over to > Linux. Absolute rubbish. Unlearning bad habits is a far more difficult, time consuming and costly process. Even worse is that you are spending money to inculcate bad habits (the worst being paying money to buy rubbish). > Especially when they are ready for some > programming action. Its very bad to start learning > your programming on an M$ platform. (just as its very > bad for an average guy to start learning to use a > computer on a Linux platform.) You are confusing familarity with learning ability. For a peson who has never used Win98/95, using GNU/Linux is as easy as learning something new. After he is familiar with Linux he finds it only little more complicated (but a lot more frustrating) using win98. I say this from first hand experience with my 6 year old nephew and his friends. This group were a motley group of neighbourhood kids ranging from 3 yrs to 10 yrs, some going to convent schools and some to vernacular. They used the PC mostly for games. They would happily boot into windows or RH6.2 (this was in 2000) and play whatever games they had decided to play. What did they prefer? The 3 to 5 yr olds most suprisingly preferred linux and it's simple games like smashing billgates. The others preferences depended on which game they liked. some fell for quake, some for flight simulator or car racing and hence linux. my nephew played NBA which was available only on win98 and used that mostly, but kept nagging me to get the linux version because windows would crash. Bottom line - arbitary statements made without basis are not useful. And I much prefer truthful hotheads than the pleasant misinformed. > > There are gonna be some hotheads here who will flame > me. But before doing that, just apply your > commonsense- No not commonsense but observation. You will surprise yourself with the results. > your level of intellect ain't shared by > all em kids at Goa. The CM of Goa being an IIT guy, > could see that. You dont need Einstein's abilities to start an application on a pc my friend - a 6 yr old is clever enough to use one. Suprising that an IIT alumini fails to understand the learning process (which IMHO is what the IITs are all about). rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] DEBATE: What could Goa have done with ten million rupees..
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 17 Feb '03

17 Feb '03

On Monday 17 February 2003 00:42, FN wrote: > ... if this money was not paid to Microsoft for software licences > for some 3000 Std XI science students, on the excuse that GNU/Linux > is too-difficult for them to cope with.... Maybe this decision was influenced by the faculty, who would have to do some "hard" learning. Decisions like these are part of a more complex problem in (our) society - the "qickfix" mentality. It has seeped into all aspects of society. The vast majority of students today study not with the intent of aquiring knowledge but solely with the aim of aquiring a degree - a passport to a job. Most do not have the foggiest idea of what goes on behind the screen, let alone the unholy machinations of governments and bussinesses. Visit a bank, or a railway booking centre. Are the people at the counter doing anything intelligent?. Or a hotel, a restaurant - are the waiters and receptionists doing anything intelligent. The vast maority will be destined for jobs like these. They will be only consumers not creators of resources, most will become obstructions in the path to more effecient societies. And why do we want to rely on the government for anything? Why did the colleges not take the initiative to become autonomous and independent?. IMHO cause that brings responsibility and uncertainty. Governments and bussinesses are busy exploiting the inability of society to accept responsibility. So what has this got to do with GNU/Linux. The target audience. So far the target has been users. We should now focus on the decision makers in educational institutions. How about a workshop for lectures and professors in Maharashtra. Self help with a little help from your friends that's what GNU/Linux is about. (I promise i will deliver a lecture on embedded systems at this workshop ;-)). Society expects somone else to foot the bill so we have "subsidised" education, travel, petrol, housing, software - GNU software being the exception - the subsidy being far more expensive than the unsubsidised product elsewhere. In the case of Libre software not only is it cheap, it has a multiplicator effect as pieces of code are reused to create evermore useful stuff, thus making it even cheaper. > > o Set up a Free Software Research Lab that would have build assets > of a permanent nature -- of the human kind > o Invest in additional 500 computers, at approx Rs 20,000 per Why do they not make the students assemble the machines. That would nearly halve the price. And the senior students maintain them. That will cutoff recuring costs. And the software students write apps to solve the counter clerk problem and ...... > PS: Of course, don't expect politicians and decision-makers to be > convinced by arguments such as these... Oh but you dont need the politicians any way. That is half the problem solved. What can Goa do without ten million rupeees. A lot. Starting with empowering the faculty with GNU/Linux. ^^^^^^ rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Re:DEBATE: What could Goa have done with ten million rupees...
by Cromium C 17 Feb '03

17 Feb '03

Hi everybody, I am an avid Linux fan. But we have gotta face it: what the CM of Goa said was right: in their present avataars, all distros of Linux, including Redhat 8.0, are difficult for kids. We have to keep in mind that in a classroom, there are roughly three varieties of kids: sharp, average, and dumb. We have to try and cater atleast to the first two. And Linux distros are NOT good for average beginners (though the sharp beginners might take to them like fish take to water.) The solution is to let the kids have the M$ handholding at first. Let em have it easy. After they have picked up the basics, they can move over to Linux. Especially when they are ready for some programming action. Its very bad to start learning your programming on an M$ platform. (just as its very bad for an average guy to start learning to use a computer on a Linux platform.) There are gonna be some hotheads here who will flame me. But before doing that, just apply your commonsense- your level of intellect ain't shared by all em kids at Goa. The CM of Goa being an IIT guy, could see that. Hola, Cromium. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT]? AMD system turns off by itself
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 17 Feb '03

17 Feb '03

On Sunday 16 February 2003 21:36, Satya wrote: > * Lacture by Richard Stallman @ VJTI on 14th Feb. 2003 @ 6:00pm. * > AMD K6-2, slightly underclocked, turns off spontaneously. The only > thing I suspect is heat damage to the CPU or mainboard, and want to > confirm if possible before I buy a replacement. Which mobo? ASUS P5AB has some bug in the lmsensor hardware and needs monitoring to be disabled. But mostly cpu overheating or ram overheating due to cpu overheating. Change the cpu heatsink to a larger one (the one used on celeron). You can now overclock a bit. Add an extra chasis fan or run the system without a cover. I am using two K6-2 550MHz systems one with celeron heatsink and one open cabinet. Both work perfectly. > > Possibly related: Linux requires the no-hlt boot parameter, > otherwise kernel oops. At least with 2.2.x kernels. Mine runs on 2.4.18 kernel. Earlier it ran RH6.2 and potato. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Commercial - Programmer, Support Engg.
by Kamlesh Shah 17 Feb '03

17 Feb '03

This is only for freshens looking for opening and having dedication for excellent results. Requirements: Awareness of Linux, OOPS, Programming in any language, Graduate, Resident of Mumbai. Also inform your friends looking for opening... Apply to pitcom(a)vsnl.com Regards Kamlesh Shah

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DEBATE: What could Goa have done with ten million rupees...
by FN 17 Feb '03

17 Feb '03

... if this money was not paid to Microsoft for software licences for some 3000 Std XI science students, on the excuse that GNU/Linux is too-difficult for them to cope with.... o Set up a Free Software Research Lab that would have build assets of a permanent nature -- of the human kind o Invest in additional 500 computers, at approx Rs 20,000 per computer o Refurbish, many times over, the local Computer Society of India-Goa chapter's computer lab and thus create a permanent training asset which could be optimally utilised to bring in real local returns for many years down the line o Built up about a hundred community centres, each with about five computers, o Invest in about 10,000 external 33.3 kpbs external modems (purchased in bulk at approx Rs 500 each) plus hundred hours of Internet access, to phenomenally expand Net access among students already owning computers in Goa o Buy about 20,000 books (each priced approx at Rs 500) that would give students a complete how-to understanding of GNU/Linux, inclusive of one or two CDs each containing an entire distro. o ... any other ideas you have, please add to this list. FN PS: Of course, don't expect politicians and decision-makers to be convinced by arguments such as these... -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference

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[OT]? AMD system turns off by itself
by Satya 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

AMD K6-2, slightly underclocked, turns off spontaneously. The only thing I suspect is heat damage to the CPU or mainboard, and want to confirm if possible before I buy a replacement. Turn-off is independent of activity, OS, and ambient temperature (happens in Windows, Linux, with and without A/C). System has 2 hard drives. The whole thing is about 3-4 years old. It is not a power supply problem, as I changed the SMPS with no effect. The power switch seems ok, I will check the reset button later. Possibly related: Linux requires the no-hlt boot parameter, otherwise kernel oops. At least with 2.2.x kernels. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I only counted 100 Dalmatians...

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Re: [ilug-goa] Responce to CM's Comments......we need to help em out
by Trevor Warren 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

Hello all, good-evening. There are various perspectives to this story here. One of the most important ones to be looked into an introspected on is the need for proper documentation/training along with the machines that are being dolled out the students in goa. Lets not give the government an oppurtunity to complain. If we have given so...then lets learn from those mistakes of ours. We should make it a point to have setup the appropriate infrastructure to support such a noble cause. Any of us who has the capability to bridge the gap between the techies and the bureaucracy should make it a point to touch base with the appropriate authorities and brief them on a plan of action. Any investment can guarantee ROI only if the same is executed in a valiant fashion with due planning. If any of these important elements fail to live up to the expectations the ROI can be nullified to a great extent. So....lets get together, sit across the table, hash out a plan and chalk out a strategy to get back the earlier plan of GOG on the road again. Am ready for any sales pitches to be made to any of the imp beaureaucrats. Infact if any of us from the Bombay Gnu-LUG can help out please let us know.....we will be ready to attack. Have a nice day all...and lets all get together and do our best. Trevor On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 09:10, Vithal Sadanand Sukhathankar wrote: > Dear GNU > > Hi! > > It was suprising about CM's comment ( its not b'cos fishy...). He > being from IIT he should'nt have pass that comment. no way do MS > prod. are eassy and bug freeeeee!!!! too. How much he or his > advisor have used Linux? If something is really good and free one > should not mind about the little ( I seriously dought about LINUX > GUI support) complexity of the product. More the sofisticated more > the complex. > > I think some one should show him KNOPPIX CD he might ( if not > fishyyyy motive... ) change his view about LINUX. > > >PPS: It was most disappointing to hear the chief minister claim > >in > >the Goa assembly that GNU/Linux was "too difficult" for the > >school > >students. This needs to be contasted against the GoG's to > >avoid > >giving even a decent guide along with the Free Software they > >installed, while at the same time being willing to spend a crore > >(ten > >million) rupees on Microsoft's proprietorial product. Is there > >a > >fishy smell in the air? > > Regards > > Vithal > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Get 128 Bit SSL Encryption! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/FpY02D/vN2EAA/xGHJAA/0XFolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > To Post a message, send it to: ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: ilug-goa-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

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Set the Path
by Amol Gokhale 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

Hi, How do I setup the path for a user. All my new installed apps are not in the path so I can't use tab to autocomplete. Amol

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16 Feb '03

hi, The following positions are open in our organisation. Average work experience required is 2 years. Promising freshers will also be considered for trainee positions. Send in your resumes to careers(a)consultmosaic.com. - cnb ------ Linux Support Engineers Task: Installation and support of linux based systems (Mail, Firewall, Proxy Servers) Skills Sets: - Experience with: Qmail, squid, iptables, LDAP, MySQL Knowledge of: C, Perl, PHP, shell scripting ------ Programmers (PHP/Perl) Tasks: Developing web based software * PHP - Indepth knowledge of PEAR, Smarty, IMAP, LDAP, MySQL, GD functions. * Perl - Mail_* modules, linux system scripting * Shell scriping, (bash, sh) ------ Programmers (TCL/Oracle) Task: Extending the Arsdigita community system * Experience with TCL scripting, Oracle * Knowledge of the Argsdigita (non java) community system

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[commercial] Job oppurtunity
by jawanrc＠softhome.net 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

hello All, We at Wipro Infotech at looking for people with excellent skills in VB and ASP and decent skills in java/linux. The reason, i'm putting up this request over here, is that most of the ppl here are studs. You can send ur resumes to me [rahul.chaudhary(a)wipro.co.in] and/or Sunita pati [sunitap(a)wipro.co.in] warm regards Rahul Chaudhary

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how can I start ssh in redhat 6.2
by vaasu 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

Hi all How can I start ssh service in redhat 6.2. In redhat 7.2 "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd start " means it start ssh demon. I install openssh in redhat 6.2 but iI am not getting the service. So any one plz help me. Thanx in advance. -- Regards vaasu

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PPPD is not geting activated
by Vinod Bhaskar 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

Hi friends, When I connect to the net using wvdial, some times, pppd is not geting activated. But connection is through. This is happening not regularly. Some times pppd will be activated and there won't be any data transmission. The problem which I am facing is the set of uploading command in my ip-up.local file is not geting executed some times. But when I connect through kppp dialer, there is no problem. pppd is geting activated always and there is proper data transmission. It is functioning well whenever I connect through it. I had set crontab for wvdial for dialing the net at regular intervel. Please suggest me how to overcome the problem. Regards, Vinod.

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Why 6.2 is more stable.
by vaasu 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

Hi all. Why people called redhat 6.2 is more stable then other versions.(like redhat 7.2 & 8.0). Any one plz help me. Thanx in Advance. -- Regards vaasu

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Knoppix pronounciation
by Amish Munshi 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, I found this in the FAQ of knoppix. I found most of us ignore the k in knoppix when pronouncing it. Hope that this helps improve us. F: (english only) What is the correct pronounciation for "Knoppix"? A: As opposed to the usual pronounciation of words starting with "K" in english (like "knight"), the "K" is not silent in german. So, the correct pronounciation (if you are an english reader) would read "k'nop-iks". Bye. - -- Amish K. Munshi In GNU we trust. Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/imp for my public key. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+S8zfbCDhioPGUZ4RAsGGAKDkUuc3hjyveGiHu4v28gliD6J48gCguB3F zlzyAeZJ6kMa2pWN6xj9Ztk= =Mnal -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Required Expert Trainers on Linux: Ref G Sagar
by Mitesh Vageriya 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Dear: We require expert professionals to provide training and workshops on Linux(System Administration, Configuration, Kernel Programming, Networking, Installation, SAMBA, NFS, NIS). We are looking for people who are available on Saturdays and Sundays. Please mail your resume emphasizing on your expertise and experience in Linux. Also mention your current profession and expected remuneration per day[8 Hours]. Selected individuals shall have to dedicate 1 to 2 days for providing training on the topic of their expertise to engineering graduates. Yours truly, Mitesh L Vageriya Bit Wise Solutions

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[OT] [ACM] Seminar on "Peer to Peer computing" by Vivek Mehta
by Philip S Tellis 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

ACM Seminar - Peer to Peer (P2P) Computing Speaker: Vivek Mehta Venue: Lecture Theatre, NCST, Juhu; timing: 6:30pm Friday Feb 14, 2003 Venue: NCST Juhu, Entrance: Free Abstract: P2P computing is being recognised as a very important trend in the networking world. Defined as the sharing of computer resources and services by direct exchange, P2P computing is enabling a new wave of applications with the potential to revolutionise the way computers are used. Napster, Scour, Gnutella, SETI@home are examples of successful P2P applications. In this seminar, we try to answer the following questions with respect to P2P computing: What is P2P? Why P2P? What is it good for? What are the various issues in developing a P2P application? About the Speaker: Vivek Mehta is currently working as a Staff Scientist in the Knowledge Based Computer Systems (KBCS) division at NCST. He works on projects in Natural Language Processing like Machine Translation and Natural Language Interfaces. Apart from NLP Vivek is also interested in Parallel Processing and Data Structures & Algorithms. Vivek is also a faculty for the Data Structure & Algorithms and Natural Language Processing modules offered at NCST. Getting to NCST: http://www.ncst.ernet.in/contactus/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to Check wvdial is active
by Amish Mehta 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

I dont know but this should help. For details read man pppd. Use ipparam as 'wvdial' parameter in wvdial peers file. This will be passed as sixth parameters when ip-up is called. In ip-up.local check for this field. If it is 'wvdial', then wvdial is active else it is not wvdial. And then call ncftp accordingly. Amish. Vinod Bhaskar wrote: >in my ip-up.local file. (This is for automatic upload of file to my ftp >site.) > >I am using kppp and wvdial to connect the net. What I need is the above >ncftp command has to work only if I connect through wvdial and tt should >not work when I connect the net through kppp or any other dialer.

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How to Check wvdial is active
by Vinod Bhaskar 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Hi friends, I have given the command ncftpput -u diehc -p ***** ftp.cfg.net /tmp /tmp/abc.txt in my ip-up.local file. (This is for automatic upload of file to my ftp site.) I am using kppp and wvdial to connect the net. What I need is the above ncftp command has to work only if I connect through wvdial and tt should not work when I connect the net through kppp or any other dialer. How to do that? Please suggest. Regards, Vinod.B

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List of colleges to be covered
by jitendra 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

List for putting up posters Add names not listed. Add area/email and postal addresses/phone numbers anyone knows Pick and choose which you can cover and let me know. Posters will be supplied. Jitendra Arts & Commerce Colleges 1. Burhani College of Commerce and Arts 2. K.J. Somaiya College of Arts and Commerce 3. Sadhana Education Societys L.S. Raheja college 4. Balasaheb Khardekar College 5. Kankavli College 6. Nayanadhish Tatyasaheb Athalye Arts and Vdmurti S.R. Sapre Commerce College 7. Shri S.H. Kelkar College of Arts and Commerce 8. S.K.Patil Mahavidyalaya 9. N.K. Varadkar Arts and Dapoli Commerce College 10. Vidya Prasarak Mandals K.G. Joshi College of Arts and N.G. Bedkar College of Commerce 11. Bhartiya Seva Samaj Sanchalit College of Arts and Commerce 12. Shikshak Sanchalit Shikshan Sansthans Arts & Commerce College 13. Shri Swami Vivekanand Shikshan Sansthas Arts and Commerce College 14. Arts and Commerce College, Jawahar 15. Our Lady of Grace Trusts St. Gonsaqlo Garcia College of Arts and Commerce 16. Dnyan Vardhini, Shahapur College of Arts and Commerce 17. Ghanshyamdas Saraf Girlss College of Arts and Commerce 18. Panvel Education Societys College of Arts & Commerce 19. Gokhale Education Societys Evening College of Arts and Commerce 20. Dnyan Bharati Societys Sau Sitabai Ramkrishna Karandikar College of Arts and Commerce 21. Rajasthani Seva Sangh College of Arts and Commerce 22. The Education Societys Arts and Commerce College, Ambarnath K.M.S.P. Mandal Sant Rawool Malharaj Mahavidyalaya of Arts and Commerce 23. Kankan Ganapeeths College of Arts and Commerce 24. Janseva Shikshan Mandals College of Arts and Commerce 25. The Kokan Muslim Education Societys Arts and Commerce College for Women 26. The Kandivili Education Society College of Arts and Commerce 27. Mangaon Shikshan Prasarak Mandals College of Arts and Commerce 28. Raigad Dnyan Probhodini College of Arts and Commerce 29. Cosmopolitan Education Societys College of Arts and Commerce 30. Vivek Education Societys Arts and Commerce Arts & Science Colleges 1. Wilson College 2. Ramnarain Ruia College 3. Sophia College for Women Arts, Science & Commerce Colleges 1. St. Xaviers College 2. Rishi Dararam National College and Wattumal Assomul Science College 3. Elphistone College 4. Ismail Yusuf College 5. Guru Nanak Khalsa College 6. Peoples Education Societys Siddharth College 7. Kishinchand Chellaram College 8. Parle College 9. Jai Hind College, Basantsingh Institute of Science and J.T. Lalvani College of Commerce 10. N.M. College of Arts, N.M. Institute of Science and Commerce 11. D.G. Ruparel College of Arts, Science and Commerce 12. South Indian Education Societys College of Arts, Science and Commerce 13. D.E. Societys Kiriti M. Dongursee College of Arts, Science & Commerce 14. Mithibia college of Arts 15. Chauhan Institite of Science and Amrutben jivanlal College of Commerce & Economics 16. Maharshi Dayanand College of Arts, Science and Commerce 17. Sir Sitaram land Laldy Shantabai Patkar College of Arts and Science and V.P. Varde College of Commerce and Economics 18. Hazarimal Somani college of Arts and Science and Jayaramdas Patel College of Commerce 19. R.K. Talreja College of Arts, Science and Commerce 20. Maharashtra College of Arts, Science and Commerce 21. Smt. Chandibai Himathmal Mansukhani College 22. Bhiwandi Nizampur Nagarpalika Arts, Science and Commerce College 23. Annasaheb Vartak College of Arts 24. Kedarnath Malhotra College of Commerce and E.S. Andrades College of Science 25. Seth Laherchand Uttamchand Jhaveri College of Arts and Sir Mathurdas Vissonji College of Science 26. Ramniranjan Jhunjhunwala College 27. Janata Shikshan Mandals Smt. Indirabai G. Kulkarni Arts, J.B. Sawant Science and Sau Jakibai Dhondo Kunte Commerce College 28. Arts, Science and Commerce College, Panvel 29. Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar College of Arts, Science and Commerce, Mahad 30. R.P. Gogate College of Arts and Science and R.V. Jogalekar College of Commerce 31. Dr. Datar, Science, Dr. Behere Arts and Shri Pilukaka Joshi Commerce College 32. Birla College of Arts, Science and Commerce 33. S.P.K. Mahavidyalaya 34. Khopoli Municipal Council College 35. Gokhale Education Societys Arts, Commerce land Science College 36. Rayat Shikshan Sansthas Modern College 37. D.S.P. Mandals K.V. Pendharkar College of Arts, Science and Commerce 38. Vivekanand Education Societys College of Arts, Science and Commerce 39. N.G. Acharya and D.K. Marathe College of Arts, Science and Commerce 40. India Culture League Education Societys College of Arts, Science and Commerce 41. Arts, Science and Commerce College Rayat Shikshan Sansthas Arts, Science and Commerce College 42. Ratnam College of Arts, Science and Commerce 43. St. Andrews College of Arts, Science and Commerce 44. Malad Kandivili Education Societys Arts, Science and Commerce College 45. The Kelkar Education Trusts College of Arts, Science and Commerce 46. Rizvi Education Society College of Arts, Science and Commerce 47. Sonopant Dandekar Arts, College, V.S. Apte Commerce and M.H. Mehta Science College 48. Rayat Shikshan Sansthas Arts, Science & Commerce 49. Nagar Yuwak Shikshan Sansthas College of Arts, Science and Commerce 50. Royal Higher Education Society, Arts, Science and Commerce College 51. Guru Nanak Vidyak Society, Arts, Science and Commerce College 52. Pen Education Societys College of Arts, Science & Commerce Training College (B.Ed.) 1. Secondary Training College 2. Mandar Education societys College of Education 3. Sahyadri Shikshan Sansthas B.A. alias Bhaisaheb Sawatn Adhyapak Mahavidyalaya 4. St. Xaviers Institute of Education 5. Smt. Kapila Khandwala College of Education 6. Bombay Teachers Training College 7. Hansraj Jivandas College of Education 8. Chembur Comprehensive College of Education 9. The Gokhale Education Societys College of Education & Research 10. Gandhi Shikshan Bhavans Smt. Surajba College of Education 11. St. Teresas Institute of Education 12. Seva Sadans College of Education 13. Government College of Education, Panvel 14. Government College of Education, Ratnagiri 15. Shikshan Vikas Mandals Shri Shantaram Krishnaji Pantwalawalkar College of Education 16. Somaiya Vidyavihar College of Education 17. Sheheed Dunichand T. Kallani Memorial Trusts College of Education 18. Mahatma Education Societys College of Education 19. Anjuman-I-Islam College of Education 20. Nagrik Shikshan Sansthas College of Education 21. Guru Nanak Vidyak Society 22. The Janseva Shikshan Mandal 23. The Society of Our Lady of Grace Convent College of Education 24. The All India Khilapat Committee Education 25. Shetkari Shikshan Prasarak Mandals Gurukrupa College of Education 26. Maharashtra Cosmopolitan Education Society College of Education Engineering Colleges 1. V.J. Technical Institute 2. Sardar Patel College of Engineering 3. Konkan Education Societys Engineering College 4. College of Engineering 5. K.J. Somiaya College of Engineering 6. Vasantdada Patil Engineering College 7. Watumull Institute of Electronic Engineering and Computer Technology 8. Bharati Vidyapeeth 9. Vivekanand Education Societys College of Engineering 10. Anjuman-I-Islams M.H. Saboo Sadik College of Engineering 11. Fr. Conceicao Rodrigues College of Engineering 12. Mahavir Education Trusts Shah land Anchor Kutchi Engineering College 13. Ramrao Adik Institute of Technology College of Engineering 14. Nagar Yuvak Shikshan Sansthas College of Engineering 15. Thadomal Shahani Engineering College 16. Mahatma Gandhi Mission college of Engineering Science Colleges 1. The Institute of Science 2. B.N. Bandodkar College of Science

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Rgd display driver
by RAHUL MORE 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

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Projects
by Amish Munshi 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I think we have lots of project to offer, I want to develop Improved mailing list manager, A software similar to flash and I am also planning for one search engine similar to google.com (I do not know if one already exist so I am analysing this project). In my opinion we are short of developers, we probably should stress on this when RMS is here and we have lots of people interested in doing something good. We need to arrange for workshops and seminars on development on linux just after a few days after RMS visit and inform everyone about the same when RMS is here (May be at the RMS speech at VJTI). We definately need to spread the word about the ILUG-BOM mailing list, gforge site and PRC when he is here. Bye. - -- Amish K. Munshi In GNU we trust. Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/imp for my public key. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+RhgYbCDhioPGUZ4RAttRAJ0Yq2Vd+6l2WoNZPSyKSuJONDUjxgCfRh78 SZ42ns9wNz/eJHtee/PZ0mY= =/dD6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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How to Append in a file (FTP)
by Vinod Bhaskar 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

Hi friends, I have a web space and I am using ncftp function to upload the text file on web. (Eg. abc.txt) . Next time when I upload the same file, the old file get erased. Instead of erasing I want to append into abc.txt. I have used ncftp using -A option for doing that. But I have received an error that " Server is not permiting to Append/Restart Try again. The file abc.txt is having full access permissions. Please suggest me the alternative. I am able to append in to a file ( abc.txt) through the php modules available on web. But when I do through FTP, append mode is not working. Regards Vinod.B

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Unsubscribe me from the list
by krishna kumar 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

_________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Meetng on 9th March
by Amish Munshi 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, I think many people will be willing to know about more about OSS/FSF/GNU/Linux,etc after the RMS visit. I am planning to hold the meeting on 9th March, let me know if there is any problems with this. Can someone confirm about the Ruparel as venue. Please send me the topics on which you are interested in giving a semnar on. Bye. - -- Amish K. Munshi In GNU we trust. Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/imp for my public key. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+SijJbCDhioPGUZ4RAuExAJ4ytea72r9DQ/Boq0rMfpuW5jGhRQCbBvrx hj1rLwP5T3gJZnShjzIdupE= =+VXi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Banner to be made
by Nagarjuna G. 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

URGENT! We need to quickly but properly get banners made with the following content, of about six feet length, clearly written preferably sanserif font. Blue banner, with white letters. preferably on a velvet or a good quality cloth for future use also. This one to appear on the stage: ------------------------------------ Free Software Foundation of India http://www.gnu.org.in ------------------------------------ And another one for the stall: ------------------------------------ GNU/Linux Users Group of Mumbai http://www.ilug-bom.org.in ------------------------------------ Volunteers to close to IIT may get this done. I got one contact of MR. David (ph:25791785). This is opposite IIT middle gate. Please take initiative and get this done. Please discuss with him and let me know the cost. We need this latest by thursday. You can leave the banner at Dr. Vijaya Shaw's Clinic (25789233). This is Dr. Jitendra Shaw's wife's clinic. Nagarjuna

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pop3 arguments
by Pradnyesh Sawant 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

in mail #775, abhir joshi had described some of the pop3 arguments (e.g. USER, PASS, LIST, DELE, QUIT) that cud b passed 2 the pop3 server 2 delete mails directly from the server w/o d'loading them. i tried the above cmds with my email service provider, the LIST cmd shows only the mail no. & size. i also checked some of the RFCs for pop3, but none of them gave me any cmds that i cud use. i wud like 2 learn about more such cmds & some sites/ books where i cud get some info about them. i actually want 2 write my own pop3/smtp based email client as my software engg project. any help regarding the pop3 & smtp cmds wud b greatly appreciated. thanx! -- Pradnyesh Sawant ( The Doubtfire ) Ph: 27703060 B.E. I.T. (V.E.S.I.T.) 004, Anand Math chs, Sindhi Society, Chembur, Sec - 19, Nerul, Mumbai 400 071. Navi Mumbai 400 706.

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[ot] apeal for old pc's ver 2.0
by q u a s i 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Folks and Linuxers, I was overwhelmed by the response I got from this community regarding the apeal for old PC's. The following may interest you: Yesterday's Times Of India carries a front page article about malnutrition in children in Mumbai city. It is mostly based on a study carried out by Dr.Hatekar from the University of Mumbai. He has been working relentlessly for the past 2-3 years for the betterment of underprevlidged children in this city. You may contact him on 26426321 or me on 9821578007 if you are interested in helping. He has regestered a NGO so that donations are tax-exempt or something. I sincerely thank the only person who responded to the previous appeal. thanks for your patience, -- quasi Utopia Unlimited!

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enbd
by Srinivas 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Hi all, I want to know abt ENBD(Enhanced Network Block Device). Can any one help me regarding that. Or any link will be of greater help. Mainly i want to know the architecture of ENBD. Thanx and regards Srinivasa Rao NatureSoft Pvt. Ltd. 11-20, 2nd Lane, Appu street, Mylapore, Chennai-600004. Phones:24617193/94/95. Extn:34

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Info regarding setting up a Linux Usre's Group
by manoj＠bhu.ac.in 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Hello everybody, I would like to know the complete process of starting a Linux User Group. I do not have any idea about this process and would like to have as much information as possible. regards, Manoj Kumar Singh

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difference between rsync and enbd.
by Srinivas 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Hi all I want to know the exact difference between rsync and enbd. What is the Internal Architecture of ENBD(Enhanced Network Block Devise). Thanx in advance -- Regards vaasu

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Re: Problem with g++
by Sankha Subhra Som 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

On Monday 10 February 2003 11:47 pm, you wrote: > Yes -- if this sucks so much, write a wrapper over your cout > call that will always append a newline (endl) to your output. > Do you know how operator overloading works? Do you know about > streams in C++? Create your own thin-wrapper output stream with > the << operator overloaded to append endl in each call. This is > not essential but a good exercise for character building. > > In short, GET A BOOK and LEARN C++! [snip] Thanx. Yes writing a wrapper class would definitely do the trick. But isnt it unnatural to have to flush the buffer manually. Writing a wrapper will fix the problem, but can you tell me what the source of the problem is? Regards Sankha [snip] > -mj -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

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does anybody knows pop and smtp addresses of hotmail ??
by Nisarg Rav 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

hello friends .. i'm a linuxlover and now started ussing linux as my personal desktop as well i'm an linux administrator in one isp & i'm managing more then 10 live linux based mail, web ftp and dns servers. now the thing is i want to donwload mails from my hotmail account. so i want POP and SMTP addresses for hotmail which i can use on linux .. waiting for reply .. regards rav >From: "Tushar K. Vilankar" <tushar(a)admin.iitb.ac.in> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: The lInUx Luggers <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Invitation Fees >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:07:44 +0530 (IST) > > >is the entry for the same FREE ?A > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >GNUnify! The All India Free Software Festival >16-February-2003 Venue: Symbiosis Vishwa Bhawan, Senapati Bapat Road, >Ganesh Khind, Pune - 4. > >Time Themes Symbiosis Vishwa Bhawan > >09:30-10:30 Welcome and Opening Ceremony > Dr. S.B. Mujumdar (Chancellor SIEC Deemed >University) > >10:30-11:00 Morning Tea Break > >11:00-11:40 IT Industry and GNU/Linux > Mr. Atul Chitnis (CTO - Exocore Consulting) > "Linux/OpenSource on Corporate Desktop" > >11:40-12:20 Free Software in Education > Dr. G. Sivakumar (Head of Computer Center - IIT >Mumbai) > > "IIT Bombay's Network and Systems setup > and the crtical role of GNU/Linux in it". > >12:20-1:00 Prof. Jitendra Shah (Senior Lecturer - VJTI, >Mumbai) > "Free Software with Localisation in Education" > >01:00-02:00 Lunch Break > >02:00-02:40 Future Tech > Mr. M Sasikumar (Senior Research Scientist - NCST) > >"A.I. Demystified" > >02:40-03:20 * * * Made In India > >o Mr. Venky Hariharan (MediaLabs) and Mr. Guntupalli Karunakar (IndLinux) >"GNU/Linux localisation and its usage, esp its relevance to our country." > >p Mr. Naba Kumar (Software Engineer - Belzabar Software Development India >Pvt Ltd.) "Anjuta IDE for C,C++ on GNU/Linux" > >03:20-04:00 > > Mr. Samyeer Metrani (Group Manager Embedded Systems - Encore Software >Limited) "Simputer" > >04:00-04:30 Tea Break > >04:30-05:10 Government and GNU/Linux > > Dr. S.Ramakrishnan (Senior Director - > Department of Information Technology > - Government of India) > >05:10-05:30 Introduction and Felicitation of Guru > >Dr. Nagarjuna (TIFR) Introduction to RMS > >Dr. T.M. Kanvinde (Director - SICSR) Felicitation > >05:30-07:00 The Guru Speaks >Mr. Richard Stallman (President and Founder of FSF) >"The Free Software Movement and the GNU/Linux Operating System" > >7:10-07:30 Free Software Song and Vote Of Thanks > > >-- >Regards, >Neo [Thomas Anderson] >from the "The world of MATRIX which is an simulation & a creation of >machines equipped with Artificial Intelligence." > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Invitation Fees
by Tushar K. Vilankar 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

is the entry for the same FREE ?A ---------- Forwarded message ---------- GNUnify! The All India Free Software Festival 16-February-2003 Venue: Symbiosis Vishwa Bhawan, Senapati Bapat Road, Ganesh Khind, Pune - 4. Time Themes Symbiosis Vishwa Bhawan 09:30-10:30 Welcome and Opening Ceremony Dr. S.B. Mujumdar (Chancellor SIEC Deemed University) 10:30-11:00 Morning Tea Break 11:00-11:40 IT Industry and GNU/Linux Mr. Atul Chitnis (CTO - Exocore Consulting) "Linux/OpenSource on Corporate Desktop" 11:40-12:20 Free Software in Education Dr. G. Sivakumar (Head of Computer Center - IIT Mumbai) "IIT Bombay's Network and Systems setup and the crtical role of GNU/Linux in it". 12:20-1:00 Prof. Jitendra Shah (Senior Lecturer - VJTI, Mumbai) "Free Software with Localisation in Education" 01:00-02:00 Lunch Break 02:00-02:40 Future Tech Mr. M Sasikumar (Senior Research Scientist - NCST) "A.I. Demystified" 02:40-03:20 * * * Made In India o Mr. Venky Hariharan (MediaLabs) and Mr. Guntupalli Karunakar (IndLinux) "GNU/Linux localisation and its usage, esp its relevance to our country." p Mr. Naba Kumar (Software Engineer - Belzabar Software Development India Pvt Ltd.) "Anjuta IDE for C,C++ on GNU/Linux" 03:20-04:00 Mr. Samyeer Metrani (Group Manager Embedded Systems - Encore Software Limited) "Simputer" 04:00-04:30 Tea Break 04:30-05:10 Government and GNU/Linux Dr. S.Ramakrishnan (Senior Director - Department of Information Technology - Government of India) 05:10-05:30 Introduction and Felicitation of Guru Dr. Nagarjuna (TIFR) Introduction to RMS Dr. T.M. Kanvinde (Director - SICSR) Felicitation 05:30-07:00 The Guru Speaks Mr. Richard Stallman (President and Founder of FSF) "The Free Software Movement and the GNU/Linux Operating System" 7:10-07:30 Free Software Song and Vote Of Thanks -- Regards, Neo [Thomas Anderson] from the "The world of MATRIX which is an simulation & a creation of machines equipped with Artificial Intelligence."

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Gnu-Linux @ Shivaji University.......thank you all
by Trevor Warren 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Hello Luggers, good-morning. Lemme take this oppurtunity to thank all of you'll for your sustained support which has helped us all through our travels across the length and breadth of this state. I would like to take this oppurtunity to personally thank all of you all who donated CD's which we sold at the the event. Believe me...after the knoppix demo and post the talk Students MOBBED Gurpreet who was selling the cd's. Our 20 Copies(Consisting of GnuwinII+Knopix+IndLinux = 2cds) were sold out in 10 minutes.....and students were clammering for more. We were amazed to see 2nd year Engineering students from Walchand Sangli....develop some real fundu 8085-8086 Simulators with an amazing GUI in Java and have been talking to them on Putting the same into the GPL domain..(Dinesh...pls push them and email calling them to discuss the same with the LUG). Learning our lessons we are looking at offering the same at Gnunify as a 2 cd kit and only charging for the cost of the 2 cd's which we will plough into the event again. On the whole many other Engineering/MCA colleges in the interriors of Maharashtra are opening up to FSF and OS and want such events organised at their campus too. We are looking to build this sustained movement all around Maharashta with the help of these charged Warriors at the local institutes. Looking forward to your unhindered support in the future too. Dinesh Shah Abhijit Rao Trevor Warren

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sendmail configuration
by Srinivas 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Hi all how will I configure sendmail. In sendmail.cf what will I modify.I want to know what are the minimum options I will modify in sendmail.cf? Thanx in advance Regards vaasu

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PUNE: Symbiosis plans a GNU/Linux fest in mid-Feb
by FN 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- GNUnify! The All India Free Software Festival 16-February-2003 Venue: Symbiosis Vishwa Bhawan, Senapati Bapat Road, Ganesh Khind, Pune - 4. Time Themes Symbiosis Vishwa Bhawan 09:30-10:30 Welcome and Opening Ceremony Dr. S.B. Mujumdar (Chancellor SIEC Deemed University) 10:30-11:00 Morning Tea Break 11:00-11:40 IT Industry and GNU/Linux Mr. Atul Chitnis (CTO - Exocore Consulting) "Linux/OpenSource on Corporate Desktop" 11:40-12:20 Free Software in Education Dr. G. Sivakumar (Head of Computer Center - IIT Mumbai) "IIT Bombay's Network and Systems setup and the crtical role of GNU/Linux in it". 12:20-1:00 Prof. Jitendra Shah (Senior Lecturer - VJTI, Mumbai) "Free Software with Localisation in Education" 01:00-02:00 Lunch Break 02:00-02:40 Future Tech Mr. M Sasikumar (Senior Research Scientist - NCST) "A.I. Demystified" 02:40-03:20 * * * Made In India o Mr. Venky Hariharan (MediaLabs) and Mr. Guntupalli Karunakar (IndLinux) "GNU/Linux localisation and its usage, esp its relevance to our country." p Mr. Naba Kumar (Software Engineer - Belzabar Software Development India Pvt Ltd.) "Anjuta IDE for C,C++ on GNU/Linux" 03:20-04:00 Mr. Samyeer Metrani (Group Manager Embedded Systems - Encore Software Limited) "Simputer" 04:00-04:30 Tea Break 04:30-05:10 Government and GNU/Linux Dr. S.Ramakrishnan (Senior Director - Department of Information Technology - Government of India) 05:10-05:30 Introduction and Felicitation of Guru Dr. Nagarjuna (TIFR) Introduction to RMS Dr. T.M. Kanvinde (Director - SICSR) Felicitation 05:30-07:00 The Guru Speaks Mr. Richard Stallman (President and Founder of FSF) "The Free Software Movement and the GNU/Linux Operating System" 7:10-07:30 Free Software Song and Vote Of Thanks Students SICSR -- _____ _ _ _ | ___| __ ___ __| | ___ _ __(_) ___| | __ Freelance Journo, Goa India | |_ | '__/ _ \/ _` |/ _ \ '__| |/ __| |/ / http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | _|| | | __/ (_| | __/ | | | (__| < http://www.bytesforall.org |_| |_| \___|\__,_|\___|_| |_|\___|_|\_\ http://opennews.indianissues.org -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference

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Free Software class for EOTO students
by dileep.kumar＠seepz.tcs.co.in 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

Hi, Each one Teach One -EOTO (www.eachoneteachone.org) an NGO giving free education for BMC school students requested the help of ILUG to introduce the children to the world of GNU/Linux . EOTO have computer centers at Sion Koliwada, Vile Parle(W) and Andheri (W) . Is there luggers staying near to these places and willing to teach the students .. Thanks Dileep TCS Borivali ph 56986980 x1326 Trevor Warren <trevor.w@medi To: sanjay.mitra(a)tatainfotech.com a.mit.edu> cc: dileep.kumar(a)seepz.tcs.co.in, "Dr. Nagarjuna" <nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in>, anthonyl(a)mumbai.tcs.co.in, 01/08/03 01:08 kikitanna(a)yahoo.com PM Subject: RE: Free Software class for EOTO students Hello sanjay, good-day. Before going ahead and planning out between ourselves on any fronts i think its prudent for me to casually ask what does Dr. Nagarjuna have in mind on the same. Also, what level of education are we looking to cater towards, and what is the intended syllabi consist of. If Dr. Nagarjuna has already outlined some plans for the same pls brief me on them and i would like to take off from there. Lemme assure you there is a lot the Gnu-Linux users can do for your Non-Profit and For Profit Teaching initiatives all around the country. Lets work together on the same. I work at MediaLab Asia located at MIDC. If you are anywhere near pls lets meet. Bye for now and have a great day all. Trevor

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #813 - 7 msgs
by linuxreserch＠benz-group.com 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #813 - 7 msgs
by Dinesh Prasad Pillay 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

this is in reply to the g++ compiler problem stated by sanka ..... the problem in the code is that the gcc 3.2 follows the ANSI/ISO C++ standards ..... the new set of standard header files r more object oriented ..... all those headers also now include namespaces ... so ur code should be #include <iostream> using namespace std; int main() { cout << "blah"; return 0; } Dinesh. - Morality ends where the barrel of a gun begins. >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:46:54 +0530 (IST) > From: harsh <z2005008(a)reg.iitb.ac.in> >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problem with g++ >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Sankha Subhra Som wrote: > >I think this is a particular problem with >iit kgp compiler...:) > > > > I have this peculiar problem with g++ under linux. > > This is a small piece of code that i wrote > > #include<iostream.h> > > main() > > { > > cout << "blahblah"; > > } > > > > When i try to compile it, i get the following warning > > > > In file included from >/usr/include/c++/3.2/backward/iostream.h:31, > > from first.cpp:1: > > /usr/include/c++/3.2/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: >warning: #warning > > This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated >header. Please > > consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 >of the > > C++ standard. Examples include substituting the <X> header for >the <X.h> > > header for C++ includes, or <sstream> instead of the >deprecated header > > <strstream.h>. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated. > > > > To get a warning free compile i commented out the line > > > > > > #include backward_warning from iostream.h > > > > > > When i try to run the executable the shell does a silent >return, without > > printing the blahblah as it is supposed to. > > I redirected the output to a file, and it contained >blahblah. > > I dont think the problem is with g++, but i cant exactly put >my finger on it. > > Any pointers would be gratefully acknowledged > > Sankha

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Re: Problem with g++
by Sankha Subhra Som 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

On Monday 10 February 2003 12:09 pm, you wrote: > You know what bugs me here? That people have started using this list as > a cheap means of reading self explanatory error messages. The above > error message is short and easy to understand. Did you even read it > before posting to this list? [snip] Hey Superhero!, i forgot to mention but i had done that too. And hey buddy nebody who knows a dime's worth of *ENGLISH* can read the error message. Try to give answers to questions instead of finding faults with the question. Will do good for u. Take me on that ;) And btw Manish's suggestion that i flush the buffer using endl works. But i have to manually flush it everytime i use a cout. This sucks.Ne pointers Manish? Regards Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

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Confusion in clustering
by Srinivas 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

Hi all I am not getting the exact difference between Fail-over clustering and Load-balancing clustering. Some web sites they are giving both are same. I want to know the exact difference between the load balancing,failover & high performance clustering with supported softwares.

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RE: [TwinCLinG] Confusion in clustering
by Y Giridhar Appaji Nag 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

Hi, > I am not getting the exact difference between Fail-over > clustering and Load-balancing clustering. Some web sites they are Fail-over: When one node in your cluster fails, the other takes over. Usually there is a heartbeat program which monitors the other node periodically and the failover happens when something abnormal happens (like say, the node not responding). Load balancing: You have too much computing to do and would like to share it between the nodes on your cluster. Example: A round-robin DNS server. Each times it receives a request, it gives the next IP in the machine pool so that the other machine handles the request. Though this is not of much use in case of a caching DNS setup, hope you get the idea of load balancing. > giving both are same. I want to know the exact difference between the > load balancing,failover & high performance clustering with supported High performance: Just what it says. Lot of computing power by mixing many machines and using it for computing. Usually for resource intensive operations like those of computational fluid dyanmics, simulations etc. where you havin many parallel operations would benifit. PVM libraries etc. etc. are made use. One or more of these could be combined together in a cluster. It would've been good if you searched over the net for these defintions. They don't have much to do with Linux per-se, so technically speaking, these are way too OT here. A question on Beuwolf ... yes! a right topic for discussion on these lists. > softwares. Search over the net please. Giridhar -- Y Giridhar Appaji Nag Giridhar.Nag[(a)t]ubinetics(.)co.in Software evolves. It isn't designed. The only question is how strictly you _control_ the evolution, and how open you are to external sources of mutations. And too much control of the evolution will kill you. Inevitably, and without fail. Always. In biology, and in software. - Linus an individual are not necessarily those of UbiNetics

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #812 - 12 msgs
by linuxreserch＠benz-group.com 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

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Problem with g++
by Sankha Subhra Som 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

I have this peculiar problem with g++ under linux. This is a small piece of code that i wrote #include<iostream.h> main() { cout << "blahblah"; } When i try to compile it, i get the following warning In file included from /usr/include/c++/3.2/backward/iostream.h:31, from first.cpp:1: /usr/include/c++/3.2/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the <X> header for the <X.h> header for C++ includes, or <sstream> instead of the deprecated header <strstream.h>. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated. To get a warning free compile i commented out the line #include backward_warning from iostream.h When i try to run the executable the shell does a silent return, without printing the blahblah as it is supposed to. I redirected the output to a file, and it contained blahblah. I dont think the problem is with g++, but i cant exactly put my finger on it. Any pointers would be gratefully acknowledged Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

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some fundu gnu-linux links
by Trevor Warren 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

Hello luggers...:) Thanks luggers and thanks to kapil too for the comprehensive compilation of links. Have a nice day all. Trevor

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Public Lecture at VJTI : Free Software Movement
by jitendra 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

Kindly arrange to advertise the event as widely as possible. We also need volunteers for Demos. Jitendra

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*Older* versions of Linux...
by Anu Mathew 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

Hi folks, Are there users of RH5.0 out there? I am asking this, as I have some systems running RH5.0 (2.0.36) since ages. Of course, I had upgraded sendmail,apache, PHP etc over these years on these boxes, and they are serving me well since their inception. IOW, *they do what they are supposed to do*, leaving nothing much to whine about. They mostly function as mailservers. I dont blame entirely the retro-ness(?) on my laziness, but mostly on the principle "Dont fix it if it is not broken." I saw nothing broke, also my requirement is being met by these machines. However, any new system I build goes with "somewhat decently" recent versions of Linux [ie, RH7.0 (2.2.16-22) or 7.2, even though RH 8.0 is the current cool and hype thing.] I would like to know how you ladies and gentlemen out here treat the versions (if you guys have any) that power my said horses. I suppose one prime plus point of Linux is that it likes older hardware as well. How do we treat the older kernels? Tear 'em down? Thanks for your time and patience in advance, Anu Mathew

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proc filesystem
by Jai 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

Hi, Anyone tried proc filesystem? I tried working with the, procfs example in /usr/src/linux but it shows errors in procfs.h, I am not sure if the example is for the kernel 2.4. I googlized but found same example, is that program have to be modifed to run on kernel 2.4. ThankX in Adv JAI

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Knoppix packages
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

On Friday 07 February 2003 13:20, Kapil Karekar wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > We cannot use unstable releases. We will need to use stable > releases. > > The list of packages in Knoppix is available at: > http://sunsite.rediris.es/mirror/knoppix/packages.txt > > We can add/remove packages from it. > > Lets check whether we can do it with Gnome 2.2. If not then we will > have to opt for Gnome 2. Gnome 2 was very buggy and unstable. suggest you stick to the standard knoppix distro. Changing packages and distributing the cd without thorough testing that too to newbies would be a horrible thing to do. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #811 - 13 msgs
by linuxreserch＠benz-group.com 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

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Where are we?
by Amol Hatwar 09 Feb '03

09 Feb '03

I read this story (http://dc.internet.com/news/article.php/1580981 ) and thought... "my where are we with respect to this today". The article is about Bush considering Cyber Warfare against enemy computer networks. Regards, -ah

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FREEDUC CD : excellent content, but could not get mouse working
by jitendra 09 Feb '03

09 Feb '03

I have the freeduc 1.1 CD which is based on knoppix 3.1Beta created by www.ofset.org . I can boot from the CD. I can access programs with keyboard. However it does not enable my mouse. On the same computers, the knoppix CD works very fine. The collection of educational programs on freeduc CD is REALLY excellent. Can some crack the problem. Dr Siva at OIIT has run the same CD on hois laptop and desktop without any problems and has good opinion of it. If we can confidently run it on ususal machines ( mine are usual ones) , it will be 'killer' ( please suggest a better pro-peace word in these days of war mongering) application for free software. Jitendra

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Request Help: Posters and invitation to all colleges
by jitendra 09 Feb '03

09 Feb '03

Posters of DOUBLE-A3 size are ready. 1000 of them. I had sent a list of colleges (as in Mumbai University website) where posters for lecture by Stallman are to be put up. I had requested to give me contact numbers for the colleges as I have them only for engg college from admission form. This is to follow up telephonically. This is a request to ensure that posters are put up. Please contact undersigned for reaching posters to you. I am going to appeal to VJTI students to reach them. If you know any student of VJTI who can reach you, s/he can get posters from my lab which is 1st floor, Mech engg deptt. Phone 24151791. PLEASE make sure that posters are put up by wednesday and if possible make a personal appeal from class to class to attend. Do mention availability of CD at concessional rate only for those who register at the lecture. Entry is free. Ask me for a softcopy of the poster on e-mail if you can print. You may make a poster and put up if you can. Help in every way is needed. Jitendra .

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #810 - 12 msgs
by linuxreserch＠benz-group.com 09 Feb '03

09 Feb '03

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PHP and apache 2.0
by Amish Munshi 09 Feb '03

09 Feb '03

Hi, I am working on RH8.0. I configured php and apache, but the post or get are not working. Any data sent by the form is not being received by the php page. This is the content of my index.html <html> <body> <form action="trial.php" method="get"> <input type="text" name="amish"> <input type="submit"> </form> </body> </html> And here is my trial.php <html> <body> <?php echo("$amish"); ?> </body> </html> But the output is a blank page, the phpinfo() page is working absolutely fine. The output of the rpm command is as shown below. [root@munshi html]# rpm -qa | grep php php-imap-4.2.2-8.0.5 php-mysql-4.2.2-8.0.5 php-dbg-server-2.10pl3-6 php-dbg-client-2.10-6 php-pgsql-4.2.2-8.0.5 php-ldap-4.2.2-8.0.5 php-manual-4.2.2-8.0.5 php-dbg-base-2.10-4 php-4.2.2-8.0.5 php-odbc-4.2.2-8.0.5 [root@munshi html]# [root@munshi html]# rpm -qa | grep httpd httpd-manual-2.0.40-8 httpd-2.0.40-8 redhat-config-httpd-1.0.1-13 [root@munshi html]# Where should I start hunting for the solutions. Bye. -- Amish K. Munshi In GNU we trust.

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sale of cd at VJTI (Mumbai)
by subramanian venkatesan 09 Feb '03

09 Feb '03

But will VJTI allow sale on behalf of FSF / GLUG / ILUGBOM ? do we have the necessary permissions ? ---------- The current letter approved by Princpal which J.N.SHAH has sent to ilugbom(He said that it is not put in the ilug because of size) expilictly mention about sale by student association and the price at 25/ per cd. It should not be a problem for FSF/GLUG/ILUGBOM since there are non-profit organisations. [J.N.Shah may a get a formal approval;] As far as I know, there can be no profit based sale in the campus;even it is a small value. Finally, it is a question of approvals. SVenkatesan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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geting error with horde webmail packag
by romi jk 09 Feb '03

09 Feb '03

hi linuxers I have just installed horde with imp and have configured all the parameters as stated in the horde installation guide.I have used Redhat Linux 7.3,horde 2.2.Everything worked fine uptill login page but after entering username password it shows the following error Warning: Undefined property: _iv in /var/www/html/mail/horde/lib/Cipher.php on line 107 Warning: Undefined property: _iv in /var/www/html/mail/horde/lib/Cipher.php on line 107 Warning: Cannot add header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/html/mail/horde/lib/Cipher.php:107) in /var/www/html/mail/horde/imp/redirect.php on line 31 if anybody have previously implimentd horde please help me. Rohit. Microsoft ---Osma bin laden Linux --- Mahatma Gandhi ------------------------------------------------- Sify Mail - now with Anti-virus protection powered by Trend Micro, USA. Know more at http://mail.sify.com Sify Power mail- a Premium Service from Sify Mail! know more at http://mail.sify.com

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Knoppix /Gnu/linux Cd prices
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 08 Feb '03

08 Feb '03

On Saturday 08 February 2003 12:21, Harsh R Busa wrote: > > We will start with 100 bucks per CD. If the response is not good > > then we will lower it to 75 bucks ... if it is still not good > > then we will lower it to 50 bucks :-)) > Rs.50 per cd is good enough. That would be Rs.350 for 7 debian cds > lets not have staggered pricing like fashion street. it needs to > clear nad weill stated. cost is anyways justified. discounts to > students on icard. ( only 1 set per icard ). > U have just increased the cost by Rs. 10. Can u imagine what a pain it will be to note the icard numbers and names. Prices should be fixed at Rs.50 per cd and college students should skip entertainment for education if they want linux. Also this is discriminatory akin to what the closed source bullies do. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #809 - 17 msgs
by jitendra 08 Feb '03

08 Feb '03

To Principals and Directors and faculty members Dear Sir/Madam, I have great pleasure in informing you that we have organised a public lecture by Dr Richard Stallman at VJTI on Friday ,14 February , 2003 at 6 PM to 8-30 PM. Dr Stallman is well known to the software field as the pioneer of GNU operating system which is currently popularly used along with LINUX kernel ( hence properly called gnu/linux) . His well known contributions are gcc compilrs, gnu emacs and many other systems which are also available on propritory platforms like MSWindows. Currently when issues of spreading the IT culture in education and e-governance are occupying many minds and new avenues for jobs are being sought, it is natural that students become aware of available alternatives. With this in mind, we have taken this opportunity to invite Dr Stallman for a lecture at VJTI during his tour to India.He has earlier delivered lectures in IIT and TIFR. I take this opportunity to invite you and also faculty and students interested in current trends in software technology. Free Software is an alternative that needs evaluation and consideration . Our student organizations are also proposing to demonstrate ( before the public lecture ) some software (available on CDs at copying cost of Rs 25/- per CD containing GNU software) e.g. KNOPPIX ( a self-booting CD with several pre-installed software) , GNU-WIN-II ( a collection of software from GNU which also works on MSWindows OS and similar others. Those interested in this program may contact as below. I am requesting our Prof T. M. Bansod who has conducted several workshops on gnu\Linux for engineering teachers to also contact teachers having taken training at VJTI to attend the lecture. You may forward this mail to any one you feel may like to attend the lecture. I am also enclosing a poster which you may kindly print and put up on notice boards . Hoping to see you on 14th , Yours sincerely Dr S. D.Varwandkar Principal & Secretary, VJTI

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Knoppix packages
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 08 Feb '03

08 Feb '03

On Saturday 08 February 2003 09:56, Ninad Purohit wrote: > How about keeping the distro as it is and at the same > time including gnome2.2 and kde 3.1 sources for the > non newbies so that they have the option of compiling > and installing it if they want? wont fit on one cd. But could be added on the 2nd cd. Also other customised parts may be put on the 2nd cd with a clear indication of it's betaness. The lates Knoppix is less than 650mb. This is very good as many drives from creative cannot read the 700mb version and crash. Further knoppix works poorly on machines with older s3 graphics board with 2mb graphics memory (and other old hardware i suspect). So an appropriate warning may be in order. Recollect your first linux install. Keep that in mind and prepare a dos and donts list with the cd. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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No route to host ?
by Nikhil Joshi 08 Feb '03

08 Feb '03

Hi! I've just configured my LAN card to access cyberoam braodband I can successfully login and also name resolution seems to be working However when i ping it gives following error: PING google.com (216.239.51.100): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: No route to host I've also added my IP-address in /etc/hosts ###### /etc/hosts ###### 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost # Following is ip-address given by my ISP xx.x.x.xx localhost.localdomain localhost ####### End of /etc/hosts #### Pls guide -- Nikhil nikhiljoshi.cjb.net

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demo & sale knoppix /gnuwin cd at VJTI event
by subramanian venkatesan 08 Feb '03

08 Feb '03

As far as I know, Prof J.N.Shah has got approval for the same from Principal. He will clarify the details. [This prior info so that necessary preparations can go on] S.Venkatesan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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ilug-bom website
by Nikhil Joshi 08 Feb '03

08 Feb '03

Hi! http://ilug-bom.org.in takes me to Homi Bhabha Research Center mail login http://www.ilug-bom.org.in takes me to actual ilug-bom website Why is it like this? I always thought google.com and www.google.com were one and same things Please enlighten -- Nikhil nikhiljoshi.cjb.net

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Cannot get Pinnacle PCTV Plus (TV Tuner card) to work
by Tarun Ramakrishna Elankath 08 Feb '03

08 Feb '03

Hi list, Problem Description: The card is auto-detected, however I am unable to change channels. More precisely, the last channel that I have viewed in Windows is the one that appears in linux (and no other channels are detected). Details: 1) Redhat 8.0, kernel: 2-4-18.14 2) Selected card = 39 in the bttv CARDLIST file. 3) using xawtv as tv-viewer. 4) dmesg says 'frequency out of range'.(when I try to change channels in xawtv) 5) According to Pinnacle, this is a special indian edition card. I wonder if being "special" is causing problems... :-) I have a sneaky feeling that this version of the bttv driver doesn't come with PAL-BG support (which PCTV PLUS uses). I have no idea whether PAL-BG is supported in the newer versions of the bttv driver. I went to bytesex.org/bttv and checked the CHANGELOG. No luck, no PAL-BG mentioned anywhere. And Yes I have RTFM and done _tons_ of searching on the web. I searched the archives and I found that "Abhir Joshi" of this list had asked this same question in October last year, but got no responses. I will be grateful for _any_ help/tips/pointers. I am desperate, since I am running only Linux on my box now. Thank you, Tarun

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Setting font in Evolution
by Rajen M. Parekh 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

Hello Luggers, Does anybody use Evolution ? I want to change the Font for mail display. But there is no option to change the font settings. for display of mail. There is option to increase the text size, but no option to change the font. Same problem while composing mail. If I compose mail in plain text, I don't have the option to change the Font nor can I change the default font size. I understand that I am composing in plain text so which font I use is of no importance. But the default font size is so small, that while composing mail, it is painful for the eyes. Anyone using evolution has had this problem ? Have I missed out something somewhere ? Rajen.

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LINUX CLUSTER
by satyajit balkrishna saste 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

Hi, I have set up a linux cluster.I wanted some suggestions on the application to develop. Suggestions are welcome.. Bye. -satyajit saste

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding RMS visit
by Vinodkumar 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

Whats the timing of his visit?

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why linux(and not GNU/Linux)
by Gurpreet Singh 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

hi all came across an interesting article which says argues that its unfair to call most of the gnu/linux distros "gnu/linux" http://atulchitnis.net/writings/gnulinux.php the author is atul chitnis, who else... the veiws expressed are not mine, so plz dont flame me gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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issue of sale of knoppix/ gnuwin cd sale (VJTI lecture)
by subramanian venkatesan 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

Prof J.H.SHAH's clarification: students association give demos & sale at Rs 25. S.Venkatesan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #806 - 15 msgs
by Guntupalli Karunakar 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 20:36:16 +0530 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: > Message: 12 > From: "Kapil Karekar" <kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding RMS visit > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:17:31 +0530 > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Hi, > > I am co-ordinating with Mr. Shastri to make a customized > distribution of Knoppix. With Karunakar's help we can have Indian > language support bundled with it. > Knoppix currently uses Gnome 1.4, we will need to put Gnome 2 in it, that may require removing some packages. If you want to put latest gnome 2.2, you will need to update lot more packages - maybe all of them would have to come from debian unstable releases. Regards, Karunakar -- Hating people is like burning down your house to get rid of a rat - Anon --------------------------------------------------- * Indian Linux project, www.indlinux.org * * Indic-Computing project, indic-computing.sf.net * ---------------------------------------------------

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What's new in Gnome 2.2?
by Tahir Hashmi 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

Hi all! Gnome 2.2 is out (it's been over a day now) and it's great to know that two of my major complaints about Metacity (the new window manager) have disappeared. Metacity now supports "stay-on-top" and "stay-below" hints. You can also set your own hotkeys for running commands now (hope it gets that as nicely as sawfish). Most significant improvements have happened in Nautilus, which I can't say much about since I'm more comfortable with the CLI. Other goodies include program start-up notification (no more checking for disk activity to confirm that your mouse-click had some effect), "Open Recent" action like "Start > Documents" All of this sounds great. I'm waiting for an opportunity to upgrade :-) -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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What initiates dd during shutdown (RH7.0)..?
by Anu Mathew 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

Greetings folks, Posting after not valuable yields from considerable efforts on STFW. But still if you can't hold the flames, go ahead, torch me. :^) RH 7.0 during shutdown gave me the following inserts to the logfile. <snip> eb 5 14:59:14 maple xinetd: xinetd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:14 maple atd: atd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:15 maple crond: crond shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:15 maple lpd: lpd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:15 maple identd: identd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:16 maple dd: 1+0 records in <------------------ Feb 5 14:59:16 maple dd: 1+0 records out <------------------ Feb 5 14:59:16 maple random: Saving random seed: succeeded Feb 5 14:59:16 maple autofs: automount -USR2 succeeded Feb 5 14:59:16 maple automount[446]: shutting down, path = /misc Feb 5 14:59:18 maple nfslock: lockd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 20:59:18 maple rpc.statd[395]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting. Feb 5 14:59:18 maple nfslock: rpc.statd shutdown succeeded <snip> I had no dd in/out in progress during shutdown. Then what initiates this dd during shutdown? This was a normal shutdown, as part of usual routine. Is it sth like saving the *boot sector*/syncing the hard drive's important locations info during shutdown? Thanks for your time, ------ ~AM ------ Mediocrity: It takes a lot less time. And most people won't notice the difference until it is too late.

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What initiates dd during shutdown (RH7.0)..?]
by Anu Mathew 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

Greetings folks, Posting after not valuable yields from considerable efforts on STFW. But still if you can't hold the flames, go ahead, torch me. :^) RH 7.0 during shutdown gave me the following inserts to the logfile. <snip> eb 5 14:59:14 maple xinetd: xinetd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:14 maple atd: atd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:15 maple crond: crond shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:15 maple lpd: lpd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:15 maple identd: identd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 14:59:16 maple dd: 1+0 records in <------------------ Feb 5 14:59:16 maple dd: 1+0 records out <------------------ Feb 5 14:59:16 maple random: Saving random seed: succeeded Feb 5 14:59:16 maple autofs: automount -USR2 succeeded Feb 5 14:59:16 maple automount[446]: shutting down, path = /misc Feb 5 14:59:18 maple nfslock: lockd shutdown succeeded Feb 5 20:59:18 maple rpc.statd[395]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting. Feb 5 14:59:18 maple nfslock: rpc.statd shutdown succeeded <snip> I had not started any dd in/out in progress before/during shutdown. Then what initiates this dd during shutdown? This was a normal shutdown, as part of usual routine. Is it sth like saving the *boot sector*/syncing the hard drive's important locations during shutdown? Thanks for your time, ------ ~AM ------ Mediocrity: It takes a lot less time. And most people won't notice the difference until it is too late.

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Regarding RMS visit
by chetan v ingle 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

Hi everybody, can anyone plz tell me when RMS is coming to mumbai ? Regards, Chetan Ingle

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error opening idle
by Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. 07 Feb '03

07 Feb '03

I am tyring to use idle and I am getting the following error: ----------------------------------------- [spavri@farzaan spavri]$ idle2 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/idle/idle.py", line 3, in ? import PyShell File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/idle/PyShell.py", line 13, in ? from Tkinter import * ImportError: No module named Tkinter ---------------------------------------- [spavri@farzaan spavri]$ rpm -q tk tk-8.3.3-67 [spavri@farzaan spavri]$ rpm -q tkinter tkinter-1.5.2-38 --------------------------------------- as you can see, tkinter is installed. What am I missing/doing wrong ? Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Mumbai, India.

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deleting oversized messages without fetching them
by Abhir Joshi 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

When using fetchmail, how do I delete oversized messages from the server without actually fetching them? The man page of fetchmail doesn't help. I want fetchmail to issue "dele #n" command to the server for each oversized message. If fetchmail is unable to do it, is there any other way? -- Abhir Joshi http://education.vsnl.com/abhir/

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[ACM] Seminar on GNU/Hurd - Fri, 7 Feb 2003
by Philip S Tellis 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

Topic: GNU/Hurd Venue: NCST Kharghar Date: 2003-02-07 Time: 18:30 http://www.acm.org/chapters/bombay/upcomingevents.html Entry Free - as in beer (see http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html for other meanings of the word free) All are invited Speaker: Pankaj Jangid About the Hurd: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html About the Speaker: http://www.google.com/search?q=Pankaj+Jangid Also see: http://yuga.ncst.ernet.in/~pankaj/ for his words of wisdom. Getting to NCST Kharghar: http://www.ncst.ernet.in/contactus/ Also see: http://www.ncst.ernet.in/vidyakash2002/venue.shtml Umm... ok, don't think there's any more URLs I can include. Just be there. Philip -- QOTD: "It's been real and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun."

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simputers the "low cost" computing platform
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

Visited the picopeta site after a long time. They actually had something to sell. You still hear the "lowcost" spiel from them off and on. Here is the price. Platinum: 10 Simputers, 20 SmartCards, 10 licenses for proprietary software (pricing: Rs. 190,000 in India, US $4,599 overseas) Gold: 5 Simputers, 10 SmartCards, 5 licenses for proprietary software (pricing: Rs. 98,500 in India, US $2,499 overseas) Silver: 2 Simputers, 5 SmartCards, 2 licenses for proprietary software (pricing: Rs. 49,000 in India, US $1,299 overseas) No mention of prices without the proprietory software. That they started the development on libre software and never lost an opportunity to tout the Linux link is a different story i suppose. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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VIA
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

On Thursday 06 February 2003 14:46, Trevor Warren wrote: > Hello Luggers, > > Have just spoken to VIA india. What kind of assistance do you > think we could benefit from them on this trip to Shivaji Univ and > Gnunify Pune. Get the cds of all their chipsets, particularly the via Eden chipsets. BTW what is their India address and phone nos. > > Dinesh, Abhijit and i am leaving bombay tomorrow nite. All the best guys. > > Awaiting feedback from you on the same. > > Trevor

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Need Information
by Prashant 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

My name is Prashant. I am interested in developing some desktop applications in LINUX, either in KDE or in GNOME. I am a software professional but my knowledge in C is limited. Will u kindly suggest me the areas where I should start my studies to achieve my this goal. Prashant Parab

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DOSEMU : Execution problem on console mode
by P.V. Mohan Krishnan 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

I need some help on DOSEMU. I have installed the latest version (released Dec'2002) under RH 8.0 (kernel 2.4.18) and the same is working fine under X. But while switching to non graphics screen and executing the command at the prompt it crashes with the following error : In file included from builtin : 496 Error in : (line 496) parse error 1 error detected while parsing the configuration file. If anyone has a clue regarding the problem help would be appreciated. - Mohan Krishnan

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Ignore prev. mail for help : DOSEMU
by P.V. Mohan Krishnan 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

Sorry folks to have raised a premature help request reg. DOSEMU. Solution has been found later by intensive googlisation !!! - Mohan Krishnan

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[Fwd: does anyone need a job?]
by Trevor Warren 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

Wednesday, February 05, 2003, 3:44 PM Dear fred/marco/trevor, I'm writing this note on behalf of a friend of mine. He's the CEO of a hard core technology company based out of Mumbai. His company needs a few good people of the kind described below. 'Am mailing this to you because you guys are in the tech loop and perhaps know of people who are looking out for a change/job. If any names come to mind, can you let me know? Or if you could pass this mail on to people who may be interested? regards, charles Designation: Internet Marketing (Various Levels) Job Description: * We are looking for a new breed of people who can change the way world does business. * You will get the right opportunity and an open environment to prove your mettle. * You'll be responsible for software marketing to customers, using Internet as _the_ only medium of communication. * You might set up alliances and accounts with Internet marketing agencies, and/or B2B and B2C web sites. You will need to administer these alliances and accounts on a day to day basis. * You'll be actively participating in long-term and short-term internet marketing planning. * You'll also be actively participating in redesigning, developing, and monitoring the development of the corporate web-site. Desired Profile: * You should have a thorough understanding of currently available technologies on the internet. * Knowledge of processes of marketing, sales, and service is a must. * You should possess excellent written and verbal communication skills. * Sense of responsibility and time management will come in handy. * Passion and entrepreneurial spirit are two indispensable qualities you should possess. * Knowledge of marketing and cross cultural awareness is an advantage. You should be a self starter with high energy levels, Good conceptual and execution abilities is a must. * Candidates who have interest/exposure in marketing software services via internet would be ideal Minimum experience: 1 Year Maximum experience: 5 Year Remuneration: Not a constraint. Location: Mumbai Contact jobs(a)cypherix.com More Info: www.cypherix.com We build Products out of India!

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