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Hardware: HDD Query
by Sachin 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

hi there, i am having trouble with Samsung 40GB hard disk HDD detection on my linux 7.0 and 440 BX/LX VIA Mother Board with 64 mb ram sachin

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] could not delete directory
by Sankha Subhra Som 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Some other options . . . (1) perl program through command line perl -e 'rmdir "--\(a)app.7"' (2) perl program through STDIN perl rmdir "--\(a)app.7" (3) Simplest of all (I should have given this answer first!) rmdir ./--(a)app.7 -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** Do not try to live forever. You will not succeed.

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Does anyone have RH 7.3 CDs
by Abhijeet 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Hi Friends Does anyone of you have RedHat Linux 7.3 CDs I have access to a cd writer and I want to burn a copy of the cds regards Abhijeet

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How to crack root
by Mohd Iqbal Mohsin 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Hi I was used your method echo '....................................| dc The ouput like this A RIL OL so what i do next

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Re: [LIH] could not delete directory
by Archan 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

#rmdir "\-\-\(a)app.7" iti Archan Philip S Tellis wrote: >On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Hiten Desai wrote: > > > >>I am trying to delete >>directory with the following name >>--(a)app.7 (which is autogenerated by amavis) >> >> > >rm -rf ./--(a)app.7 > >this is mentioned somewhere in some manual, I think in the linux FAQ. > > >

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] MASM in Linux
by quasar＠vsnl.net 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

nikhiljoshi(a)subdimension.com wrote >i tried to run MASM in Linux using dosemu+freedos There is also NASM native to Linux.

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burning RH cds
by Gurpreet Singh 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

hi luggerz some of u might laugh on this but.... have a prob, i tried writing a RH installation cd on a blank cd, but the new cd is'nt bootable.... now how do i make those CDs bootable?? to write CDs i was using windows and the HP application 'coz the writer is not mine and the system that has the writer is not mine, so have to bare up. plz comment Gurpreet

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popularizing linux@ sangli.... CS Subjects
by Gurpreet Singh 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

hi there was some discussion abt the subjects in CS at Sangli (or Shivaji Univ formally). Ok i'll list a few important ones up here. SE * Data Structures * C++ TE * Comp Networks.... OSI, TCP/IP, all layers and the basic protocols * Systems Programming .... Parsers n stuff * OS 1 general study of systems just the basic algos * OS 2 study of unix filesystem *Compiler Construction * Databse Engg... basic stuff BE * Internet Tech .. dns, ftp, telnet, mail systems etc etc etc * Advanced Data base Systems .... object oriented db study * Distributed Computing * Web Technology... XML, DOM, XLS, Java Servelets and server pages, ASP, CORBA, * Data warehousing and E Commerce.... Now i dont know anything abt this gurpreet

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good FTP server?
by akshaysalkar 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] could not delete directory
by Sankha Subhra Som 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

Hiten,Anil,Philip . . ., try rmdir -- '--(a)app.7' Enjoy!!! Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** Do not try to live forever. You will not succeed.

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[OT] MASM in Linux
by Nikhil Joshi 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

Hi! i tried to run MASM in Linux using dosemu+freedos but i get the following error: Phar Lap err 35: The 386 chip is currently executing in virtual 8086 mode under the control of another program. You must turn off this other program in order to use 386|DOS-Extender to run in protected mode. will i b able to run MASM ? or do i hav to resort to inline assembly ? (Turbo C works fine in dosemu) BTW can ny1 tell wot the error means nd how did the program come to know abt all the stuff ... (I guess the error means : u r running 386 in real mode , switch to protected mode. right ? ) Also I'm confused : DOS is supposed to work in real mode right ? -- Thx Nikhil

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[COMMERCIAL] Mkt & Sales exec. required
by Poonam P 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

Hi, The company I work for is looking for 4 Linux Sales & Mkt execs. IF anyone in this group / or any known person is interested pls email me in private & I will give all the details. regards, Poonam. ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com

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Network help
by santosh patil 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

Hi all !! i tried network in linux-to-linux computers as well as linux-to-windows computers. The problem, which i am facing is, when i installed samba protocol, i am able to access windows computer from linux computer(all files and folders available on windows computer), but from windows computer, i can get only hardware level connectivity, i.e. only ping is working, i am getting a reply for ping. But neither i can see linux computer in network neighbourhood nor from run utility, it is only one way connection. When i tried networking in linux-to-linux computer. To do that, i have done following steps.. 1.Install network in both linux computers. 2.Checked hardware level connectivity. 3. share directory from linux computer, from /etc/exports file & start demon services again. But when i tried to acces shared directory from another linux computer using mount command, i get the message permission denied, when i have given full control to any user for the workgroup. Pls. help me on this matter. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines

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ipsec
by upendra gandhi 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

hi all i want to use two machines as gateways as vpn for connecting two corporates also i want to use IPsec as firewall what can i do now??? ===== upendra gandhi CIW ASSOCIATE (Server Admin.Internetworking Professional, Security Professional) http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com pengan78(a)linuxfreemail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)hotpop.com "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

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anyone for RHCE?
by akshaysalkar 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] popularizing linux@ sangli.... CS Subjects
by Dinesh Shah 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

Hi Trevor, I am available for 5/6 Oct. 2002. If required any assistance from me let me know. You know that no programing stuff from me. So I don't know how will I be usefull in your seminar. But, in any case, I will be there if require. And don't pull last minute surprises. Pls plan in advance and inform me in advance. :-) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:30:40 -0700 (PDT) > 802.11b, bluetooth......Embedded gnu-linux, RTOS, > gnu-linux clusters........we can go on...nd on, but > after all vry1 justs wanna get out of the RUT. Think > itz from then on that they hav the capability to > work/avoid working on what they like. With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Option to LILO
by WERNER K HEISENBERG 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

>Hi all, >how can give options to LILO at boot time? In earlier >versions, with the text version of LILO, it was very easy. schnitt--- Try These : At the Graphical Prompt, press Control+x and you should get: lilo: Enter the following. Try them one at a time, of course 1. Press Tab to see the labels assigned to your boot images 2. linux single --> to get you into maintenance mode 3. linux vga=ask --> to see the various screen modes your card supports. Try typing 'scan' here to get more options 4. linux emergency read /usr/src/linux-9.9/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt Brgds Werner _____________________________________________________________ Play the Elvis� Scratch & Win for your chance to instantly win $10,000 Cash - a 2003 Harley Davidson� Sportster� - 1 of 25,000 CD's - and more! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail_scratch_tl/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos…

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Request to hold a Seminar on Linux
by Sabarish Viswanathan 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

Dear Sir, We,the students of Sardar Patel College of Engineering have decided to organise a seminar/workshop on Linux as we did last year.If you could give us your tel. no. we'll be able to discuss the further details. Thank you. Your's faithfully, Balasubramanian V. SPCE ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com

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LinuxInIndia#6: Penguin's Mantra, Funding On Way,LinuxBangalore2002
by Frederick Noronha 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

GNU _ _____ _____ http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | | (_) |_ _| |_ _| | |_ | | _ _ __ _ ___ __ | | _ __ | | _ __ __| (_) ___ | | | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / | | | '_ \ | | | '_ \ / _` | |/ _ \ | |____| | | | | |_| |> < _| |_| | | |_| |_| | | | (_| | | (_) | |______|_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\_____|_| |_|_____|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__,_| CopyLeft2002 GNU/GPL v2 OR LATER * ISSUE006 * SEPT 13, 2002 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Co-edited by Frederick Noronha and Parag Mehta <pm at linuxindia dot org> * ARCHIVES/SIGN-UP: http://www.freelists.org/archives/linuxinindia +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In this issue o Indian language solutions for GNU/Linux o Want money to help you make Free Software? Here's some... o Made-in-Delhi accounting software o Gearing up for LinuxBangalore2002 (Dec 3-5, 2002) o Development by Design conference in India o Kids play around with GNU/Linux... and the results are... o CDAC lab goes in for GNU/Linux... and lot's more. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ THE PENGUIN'S MANTRA: Efforts are on to find Indian language solutions to GNU/Linux in the subcontinent that matters. Some call Indic and other South Asian scripts the final challenge to computer vendors for full i18n support. It has taken its time in coming, the challenges are not that simple, and successes have been few and far between. Yet optimism is high now. Can this frontier be conquered early? Technical challenges are certainly not few: the X rendering model is too simple for Indic scripts (but an upcoming tutorial on the Indic Computing site will have the nitty-gritty). Input for Indian languages is an open issue. Most `keyboard solutions' available today for X are fragile and are really more work-arounds than solutions. Some say the principal problem is rendering conjuncts without proper rendering engines and properly encoded fonts. Users want to type a sequence of characters, and not concern themselves with the details of rendering. This requires fonts with appropriate tables giving the possible character sequences and the glyphs for rendering each, and an engine that knows to read the tables. What are the varied initiatives are currently on in various parts of the country. What could be the proper strategic approach? Which issues should be tackled first? See an article http://www.freelists.org/archives/linuxinindia +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SMALL MEET AT BANGALORE: A small meeting on Indianisation of computing (including GNU/Linux) is being organised at Bangalore on Sept 15-16. Contact tap2k(a)yahoo.com (Tapan Parikh) if you'd like to get into the loop and join the campaign. This is a by-invite meet, but everyone is welcome to share ideas in the ongoing search to find long-awaited solutions. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ PERL MODULE FOR INDIAN LANGUAGE I/O: Thanks to M K Saravanan <mksarav(a)comp.nus.edu.sg> Perl module to handle Indian Language I/O http://acharya.iitm.ac.in/perl_enhance.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ INDIC COMPUTING: If interested in these subjects, do join the indic-computing mailing lists, and also the indlinux mailing lists. Often a lot of discussion regarding indic localisation happens on these lists. http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net http://www.indlinux.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GPL (GENERAL PUBLIC LICENCE) IN MALAYALAM: An attempt to translate the GPL into Malayalam. At present, the preamble is completed. From Mahesh T Pai. See http://in.geocities.com/paivakil/freecommunity/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ TAMIL DESKTOP IN KDE9, BETA4: Vasudevan <vasu_a(a)cyberwaveindia.com> of ILUG-Chennai notes he has "successfully configured the Tamil desktop in kde9beta4, with advice from Parbhu_Anand from cooker development, which we struggled (with) at last Linux Expo unsucessfully." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FLOSS-SARAI INITIATIVE: No money in Free/Libre Open Source Software (FLOSS)? A new initiative might help to change that for some youngsters in India. The Sarai Programme, Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi (www.sarai.net) invites applications for Support Grants to projects in the area of Free Software, Open Source Software and Social Usage of Software Sarai invites programmers (practitioners as well as students) to propose projects in the area of free and open source software applications relevant to educational, social and community needs. We are looking for original ideas, as well as proposals to localize and adapt existing software and applications to South Asian conditions. For example - Desk-tops in Hindi, Open Office and Gimp in Hindi. Lighter versions of desktops like KDE, Innovations that creatively optimises older lower configuration machines, Linux documentation in Hindi, games using local context, etc. Conditions: Applicants should be resident in India, and should have a bank account in any bank operating in India. These are support grants and grantees will be free to pursue their primary occupations, if any. Mail your project proposal, work-plan and CV to both the following addresses: <application(a)sarai.net> with a copy to <fred(a)bytesforall.org>. Please mark your subject-line 'FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) Initiative'. Also point out what you see as the relevance of your work, and how you plan to share the resultant software once finalised. Enquires: dak(a)sarai.net Last date for submission: October 15th, 2002. Note: Proposals from teams, partnerships, collectives, faculty are welcome, so long as the grant amount is administered by a single individual, and the funds are deposited in a single bank account in the name of an individual. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FREESPEECH.ORG, COMMUNITY SITE FOR LINUXERS: Himanshu <himanshu_s(a)myrealbox.com> has something to announce: "I launched my new site, http://www.thefreespeech.org which is basically a community web site for Linuxers. Its main aim is "to initiate, collaborate and contribute" to the linux cause. The site itself, is home to the ILUG-BOM's novel "Project Resource Centre" idea, which will help ease the collaboration between students undertaking linux projects and self appointed "mentors". I guess, in the future it will also be home to dead projects, or very small projects/scripts, which have not been (or are to small to be) hosted at Sourceforge." http://www.thefreespeech.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DEVELOPED-IN-DELHI ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE: Sudhir Gandotra <sudhir(a)netshooter.com> announces that they've recently launched 'Kalculate' <www.kalculate.com>, a developed-in-Delhi software. It was worked on using C, GTK and PostgreSQL on the GNU/Linux platform. It promises to be the "first financial accounting package on GNU/Linux in India and the Asia-Pacific". Incidentally, the Indian 'IT' magazine in their September 2002 issue have carried the standard version of 'Kalculate'. This can be used for single-company accounting. The multi-company version, priced at Rs 10,000 (approx US$200), will be available to users of this version at Rs.3500 if they register and place their order by 31 Oct 2002, under a special promotion campaign, according to Gandotra. Rajesh Kankaria <rk(a)coralindia.com> points out that he had also worked on an accounting software developed on GNU/Linux around two years ago. But "due to poor response I didn't pursue it further", says he. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GETTING FREE SOFTWARE BOOKS TO INDIA: Systems Research Institute executive director Prof J G Krishnayya <jkrishnayya(a)yahoo.com> of Pune, who appreciates the worth of Free Software/Open Source, is keen to find ways of re-printing and distributing Free Software books in India. Contact him if you see any possibilities. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GEARING UP FOR LINUX-BANGALORE 2002: Bangalore GNU/Linux enthusiasts are to hold LB2002, a major meet on December 3/4/5 2002, J.N.Tata Auditorium, Bangalore, India. Last year's meet attracted a few thousand participants! http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DEVELOPMENT BY DESIGN CONF IN BANGALORE: The Second International "development by design" Conference will be held in Bangalore, India on December 1-2, 2002. The paper submission deadline has been extended to October 7, according to Leo Burd <leoburd(a)media.mit.edu> of MIT Media Lab. About dyd02: This conference seeks to establish critical dialogue towards open collaboration in sustainable technology, design and development. We invite diverse perspectives from academia, industry, nonprofit organizations, and independent innovators. You can submit a full paper, poster, video abstract or position paper online. Student projects will be shown in a design exhibition at the conference. http://www.thinkcycle.org/dyd02 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WHAT HAPPENS WHEN UNDER-PRIVILEGED kids lay their hands on GNU/Linux? See the results at http://www.digitalequalizer.org/kids.htm Daryl Martyris <dmartyris(a)hotmail.com> argues that this experiment clearly hints that that school-age children are able to effectively and quickly learn to the basic uses of computers without any formal training. Not just that, they also used GNU/Linux-based PCs. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ INDIA'S SUPER-COMPUTING AGENCY GOES FOR GNU/LINUX (Reuters) : Aug 12 reports say India's Centre for Development of Advanced Computing, which makes supercomputers used for heavy-duty data processing, said it had decided to use open source Linux software in a high-performance computing lab. The Pune-based state agency, whose machines are used for advanced computing functions in activities such as oil exploration and weather forecasting, will use a Linux platform customised by International Business Machines. "The selection of Linux public software and its deployment by C-DAC (the centre) will provide a boost to the research activities of the scientific community in India," C-DAC and IBM said in a joint statement. Founded in 1988, C-DAC is a state-run research and development firm which has built four versions of its Param series of supercomputer machines. It also earns revenue from selling Indian regional language software and by training high-tech engineers. C-DAC's new laboratory will start operations in Bangalore later this year, the statement said. "We are using Linux only for a specific lab and have not yet decided whether to adopt it across all our applications," R.K. Arora, C-DAC executive director, told Reuters. http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-20260575- 0.html?tag=ats +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GNOWLEDGE NETWORKING AND ORGANIZING SYSTEM, GNOWSYS: Dr. Nagarjuna G. works in Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research as a Reader. He works in the area of Science Education, Metacognitive studies, History and Philosophy of Science, and is an advocate of Free Software for Education and Research. Currently developing an expert system for knowledge management called "GNOWSYS: Gnowledge Networking and Organizing System" developed in Python and Zope. He is the coordinator of the centre's portal site development project for science and mathematics education. Contact Nagarjuna G. <nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FLOSS STUDY: From the ILUG-Chennai mailing list. Ravi Rao reports: Free/Libre and Open Source Software ;; Survey and Study -- FLOSS ;; Final Report http://www.infonomics.nl/FLOSS/report/Final4.htm Makes a very interesting read ... ;/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SIMPUTER, LOOKING FORWARD TO IT: More on the Simputer (the commonman's computing device, driven by GNU/Linux) from huiswerk345(a)yahoo.com, from Paul Soetmulder, Encore Technologies (S) Pte Ltd : Bad news: We only hand out limited number of SDK's (software developer kits) at this point in time, to both customers and partners. We want to stay focused on 100% success rate for all our customer projects, and we hope you appreciate this approach. Our customers and partners do. Some good news: Yes the project is moving "full steam" ahead and soon we will surprise you with reference clients, available applications and other news on a new dedicated website. Some more good news: Yes many partners have already signed up to work with us in developing solutions. Countries represented in our partner network cover Japan, Asia, Australia, Africa, India, Europe and USA. We still have some countries missing in each continent. Want to join this group of mobile computing pioneers, its only one email away. And more good news: Please note that all Encore Simputers production planned for the months August/ September time-frame have been taken up. At this moment we share to our best capability the units available among partners and customers. Our partners and customers support this as we deliver the solutions and benefits they need. The best news for Partners: Also October orders exceed production levels, although I have made reservations for "2 Encore Simputers" for next 100 pioneer partners" (in addition to 2 units for existing partners who have placed their orders) for October 15th time-frame. First come first served. Want to become pioneer partner, please email our CEO, Mr. Ravi Desiraju at ravi_desiraju(a)ncoretech.com. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ INSTALLING L.T.S: Baiju M <malayalamlinux(a)yahoo.com> informs that more details about installing LTS systems are available in GNU/Linux Utilities for Education CDROM (GLUE CD). All necessary packages are available in that CDROM. You can read the proposal by Ajith Kumar here: http://malayalamlinux.sourceforge.net/edu/proposal-by-ajith.html It gives all details about hardware costs, advantages of LTS systems etc. Says Baiju: "Now I am fully involved in Malayalam GNU/Linux Project. So that you contact Free Software User Group Kozhikode members for more details. (I CC'ed his mail to the group mailing list). You can get the latest CDROM from Rajeesh (ph:0495 355415) If you asking the the CDROM for installing in any school, FSUG will give it you without any cost. If you are from TVM you can contact me (just drom me a mail). There is another FSUG group at Kochi (I think Raghavendra Bhat, a member of that group has got that CDROM)." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GNU/LINUX COUNTER: Eighteen million guestimated GNU/Linux users; how many from India? Please fill in your details at http://counter.li.org/ If you know someone who could volunteer to push forward this counter in regional Indian states, please contact harald(a)alvestrand.no with a cc marked to rproton(a)yahoo.co.uk, pm(a)linuxindia.org and ghane(a)dotxtra.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ INTRODUCTORY COURSE: From Patrice Reimens <patrice(a)xs4all.nl>, a Dutch friend and fan of India. Check the Open Source/Free Software introductory course by Lisa Haskell for students. Very nice intro, full of useful pointers. http://mediaartprojects.org.uk/current/open_source_course/ Says he: "Lisa is now doing http://tech2.southspace.org (programme, thin) and http://tech2.southspace.net (diary, fat) in Lancaster." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DATABASE OF HACKERS: Tripta <tripta(a)sarai.net> from New Delhi points to http://orbiten.org and says: "I am not sure whether you are aware of this survey but does provide interesting perspectives. I am planning to conduct a survey/research amongst the `hackers' involved in the movement to trace and identify the pattern of the development of free software movement.... I was wondering if you could send me the list of the `open source projects' being conducted by individuals/groups/organizations...I am attempting to create a database as mentioned earlier, identify the pattern and seek for avenues of possible collaborations." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ PROCURING CDs: Abhijeet More <abhijeetmore(a)rolta.net> suggests the following sources for GNU/Linux CDs: http://www.linuxplaza.org * http://www.indiainfotech.org Navin Dhanuka <navin_dhanuka(a)yahoo.com> says of IndiaInfoTech.org: "Dhiraj Thakur & Sheetal Chopra are doing a great job by serving the free software community with latest linux distros at affordable costs. I got Debian 3.0 at just Rs 50 a CD. That's real cheap and affordable as student Says Amol Hatwar <amolhatwar(a)rediffmail.com>: "I got the same at 30/- at linuxplaza.org. And yes Prahant Shah does a good job too." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GETTING STARTED WITH GNU/LINUX: Some tips from: Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> who says these are good places were to start learning GNU/Linux: --> RH linux 7.2 Unleashed(Sams.net) --> Linux in 24 Hrs (Sams.net) --> www.tldp.org (Dos-Windoze-howto...to start with, the rest u can figure out what u can read up and what interests you. I havent seen any classes in Bombay that are worth it. Just stick to the books/sites and ask us when you screw up with anything.) Trevor Warren is an active member of the Mumbai (Bombay) LUG. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MAIL FROM AUROVILLE: From just next to India's own Little France, on the east coast, the place known as Auroville someone <netadmin(a)auroville.org.in> writes in to say: "Can some one suggest an easy to use web interface that can be installed on a Linux mail server for web based mail access?? I live in Auroville, near Pondicherry and we have been running Redhat 6.2 set up by a Nexus guy with more than 800 mail boxes. There is IMP (for web based mail access) and sendmail doing the job. We wish to be independent and need some help in this regards. Any tips on SMTP authentication is welcome. Auroville is an interesting place to visit and maybe help us with our Linux setup. Adequate compensation is part of the deal :-) please respond, thanks." MEA CULPA: Mita <mita(a)auroville.org.in> from Auroville has drawn our notice to some errors in three paragraphs of the last issue of this ezine (LinuxInIndia#5). Unlike mentioned earlier, Mukund does not live at Auroville, but in London, and only visited Av during his studies at Pondicherry University. He did not work for Ximian, Inc, and hasn't worked on gtkhtml or gimp. There were other inaccuracies in the description of Mukund and Karthik Ram (an ecologist, but not connected with GNU/Linux). We apologise sincerely for any misunderstandings created. -FN +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ COMPUTER EDUCATION IN KERALA, GOING WHICH WAY?: Ajith Kumar <ajith(a)nsc.ernet.in> is disappointed with what's happening on the education front in Kerala. He comments: "Visit the site http://www.keralaeducation.org/itschool/project.htm and find out how the IT (schools project) has been sold of to contractors." Check out his alternative proposal. "In order to implement the project government certainly need to set some guidelines regarding the objectives and quality of the program. This could have been done simply by drafting a proper syllabus and insist on covering that syllabus and also specifying the number of hours each student get for theory and practicals. But what has been done is allowing few private agencies to exploit the poor students and paving way to waste precious foreign exchange by promoting the products of a Multinational Corporation." Write to Ajith for a full-text of his proposal... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ COST-EFFECTIVE SYSTEM USING GNU/LINUX: Ajith goes on to note that GNU/Linux also has software to reduce the hardware cost by using diskless PCs. Hardware cost of setting up a 10 terminal system is less than Rs 200,000 (US$4000) and each additional PC costs around Rs.14,000. The government, he argues, should help the schools to mobilize the initial investment to acquire this setup and in th long run every school will have a good computer lab. If it cannot do that, it should not become a burden to schools by forcing them to depend on a few selected agencies. By seeing the guidelines it is clear that the motive behind selecting few agencies is not ensuring quality but to open up another area for corruption. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ON AN Ipaq: Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> has loaded GNU/Linux on an Ipaq h3850. Says he: "As of now, my research areas are localisation of GNU/Linux on these personal access devices." See http://mlasia.mine.nu/ipaq/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SEE PICTURES IN CONSOLE MODE (FRAME MODE): Blinston (aka Asterix Baron) who's email address echoes that Shakespearean dilemma <b2ornot2b(a)yahoo.com> has written a small program called cjpg which allows you to view JPEG files whilst in the console mode (frame buffer). Says he: "If anyone can help me out by testing this program on various graphics cards and different modes to iron out all bugs ... well it worked on my SiS530 with all the modes i could try." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa/files/cjpg-0.1.tar.gz +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ PYTHON FOR SCHOOLKIDS: Says Raju Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org>: Been thinking about learning/teaching programming for school-goers and Python seems to be more of the right choice than ever. It's clean, well-supported under both Linux and Windows, object-oriented and has a fairly large set of libraries for basic functionality available. Now if only they'd fix the syntax of the damn language I may even start using it myself ;-) Anyhow, I don't know if you're aware of the wxWindows project? It's a C++ graphical library which runs under multiple platforms (Windows, Linux, Unix, etc) and, here's the beauty, provides a consistent interface to the native windowing systems of the platform that it runs on. So a wxWindows program running on Windows would use the native Windows toolkit while one running on Linux would use, e.g. GTK+ (the Gnome toolkit). Apps written in wxWindows thus have the look and feel of the platform they're running on...." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES FROM THE REST OF ASIA: Thanks to Bala Pillai <bala(a)tamil.net> for this input: "The most interactive open source/Linux community in our time zone/Asia springs out of the Philippines. Primarily because the Filipino psyche is a more secure psyche, a more self-confident pyche. Folks who are self-confident worry about the future less, and allocate more time diagnosing and solving problems rather than echoing and reechoing it. Filipinos are also more into sharing and online sharing - we should look to more symbiosis with them. Manila-based Miguel Paraz whom I have interacted with since 1996, is a key catalyst in the Filipino Linux community. http://www.q-linux.com is a good starting point to get a feel for the key Open Source catalysts in the Philippines. KL,Malaysia-based Dinesh who runs http://www.alphaque.com is another lead Open Source catalyst in our timezone. Do look for symbiosis opportunities there too." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FROM THE DEVELOPERiq: Some updates from the August 2002 issue of DeveloperIQ, an Indian software magazine published from Bangalore. www.developeriq.com LINUXmag section has a special article on how to compile your own Linux kernel, by Philip de Groot. On the CD: Corel Photo-Paint 9 for Linux. Special DeveloperIQ Linux applications collection CDs: RedHat 7.2, 2 CDs Rs 299 RedHat 7.3, 5 CDs Rs 699 Caldera OpenLinux - Workstation 3.1.1, 2 CDs Rs 199 Caldera OpenLinux - Server 3.1.1., 2 CDs Rs 199 Mandrake 8.2, 3 CDs Rs 499 with support Rs 999 Debian 2.2, 3 CDs Rs 499 or with support Rs 999 (support for 30 days or 30 e-mails, whichever earlier) LINUX MAG INDIA-on-CD: 18 Cs in a year. Rs 1499. Get a whole lot of Linux apps and the latest updates. Log on to www.linuxmagindia.com for full details. Five CD starter kit contains RedHat 7.2, Openoffice 1.0, Galeon 1.2.1, KDE 3.0, Mozilla Internet suite 1.0rc2, Netscape 6.2.1, Acrobat reader 4.05, Gimp 1.2.3, Ximian Gnome 1.4, Kmail 1.0.29.2, gqmpeg 0.12.0, Etherape 0.8.2, Kyahoo 0.7, Image 0.1.9, Qcad 1.4.7, Blender 2.12, Cross Artist 1.1, sfront 0.7 and more Development tools: j2re1.4.0, j2sdk1.4.0, j2sdk1.4.0Forte, Redhat 7.2 manuals: installation guide, getting started guide, customization guide, reference guide, release notes, MySQL 3.23 a Redhat RPM, server (i386), Behcnmark/test suites, client program, libraries and header file for development, client shared libraries, binary package, Glade, Anjuta 0.1.7, clip 0.93, DDD 3.3.1, DejaGNU 1.4.2, gIDE 0.3.5, GNU Debugger 5.0, gnome debut 0.1.5, jDBA 0.7, KDE SDK 2.2.1, Open DAP 2.0.19, pyut 1.0, Libtool 1.4.2 and more ENTERTAINMENT: Half-life Opposing Force Server, Trophy 1.0.1, Tux Racer 0.61, Mojoworld Transporter 1.02, Search and Resume Game, Q3Text (Linux)1.07, Armagetron, abuse-SDL0.6.0, Vega Strike 0.2.0-14, 4st Attack Version, SDL_Paradroid, EasySok Version: 0.3.0., FreeDroid 0.7.0, Decopter Version 0.2.3, Penguin Command Version, gf passthru Version; 0.0.1-alpha, Iter Vehemens Ad Necem Version 0.311, Operation Blacksun 2 Version. Send your comments and feedback to ramdas(a)developeriq.com (Editor Ramdas) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UPDATES FROM i.t. INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY: It calls itself "the magazine for techies and those who want to be"): * Simputer team gets first Dewang Mehta award. ("The [GNU/Linux-based] Simputer places computing power in the hands of the masses. It has a wide range of applications such as microbanking, data collection, Internet access, agricultural information, the school laboratory, the kiosk Simputer, smart card, general purpose citizen's ID card, driving licence, land records, income tax records, passport, bank pass-book and digital cash.") * Included on this CD: ComunigatePRO (scalable, standards-compliant and feature-rich Internet mailing server), Kalculate (complete Indian accounting package for GNU/Linux users), MySQL-Front 1.16, etc. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOLUNTEER TO PROMOTE THIS LETTER? WRITE IN AND TELL US WHAT IDEAS YOU HAVE IN MIND. CONTACT fred(a)bytesforall.org ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It is not possible to verify all claims made by our informants above. We have attributed statements, as far as possible, to ensure that readers can cross-check details. Please verify software and other claims independently. * FOOTNOTE: Frederick Noronha <fred at bytesforall dot org> is a Goa-based freelance journalist, who writes on IT-for-development and GNU/Linux themes regularly, and is cofounder of BytesForAll <www.bytesforall.org>. In the past year, he worked on a print media fellowship to study India's contribution to GNU/Linux, from www.sarai.net (Sarai-New Delhi) Parag Mehta <pm at linuxindia dot org> is webmaster for Linux India, listadmin for Ilug-bom, Country Manager of India for Linux Counters (do get counted as a GNU/Linux user!). Visit his personal site at: http://pmehta.org ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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RHCE
by flameboy varun 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

Hi I am a linux newbie and I have been on linux7.2 and 7.3 for a month. I want to give RHCE. Does anyone have any books or can you give me some guidance. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines

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Network help & RHCE guidance
by santosh patil 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

hi all !! I am one of the linux fan just like you, i have worked up to some extend on linux 7.1 & 7.3, i am still facing a problem for linux-to-linux network problem. i tried exporting of files from one computer & mounting from another computer, but everytime i got the message access denied or request rejected. pls. help on this matter. I am very much interested in RHCE exam, as i am working, i can't join any institute, can any one help me for the notes & proper guidance. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines

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popularizing linux @ sangli... topics
by Gurpreet Singh 14 Sep '02

14 Sep '02

> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:02:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] lets start......popularizing linux @ Sangli. > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Hello Luggers...;) > > This time around i write to get the ball rolling > for the upcoming gnu-linux workshop being conducted @ > the Rajaram Bapu College of Engineering. > > I proposed to conduct this workshop for a period of > 2 days in the 1st week of Next month, most probably on > a SAT-SUN. > > I would like the following from Volunteers on this > Mailing list..... > > --> The Workshop is being conducted for Engineering > Students.....so considering the efforts to be put in > from an academic perspective i would encourage u > luggers to put forth TOPICs/Ideas that these Students > could make use of. [snip] wud like to suggest a few as i know the audience kinda good --> since most of our programming is done on C n C++ hence what all does linux have instore for that --> A good introduction of the PRC for the juniors who next year might wanna take up some project from it. --> If there is way to teach ppl how to use the web more fruitfully, it wud be welcome i think, 'coz i just see ppl chatting away to glory in the netcafes and wasting there time, at that really hurts me. --> as many development tools that u guys can cover... > > --> Think abt Volunteering nd mail me abt the Topics > that you would be conversant with. Lets at all cost > avoid Sys-Admin kindda stuff. Tho.....there will be a > small module discussin some very ELEMENTARY Sys-Admin > stuff......nd our main focus still remains > Programming/Gnu-Linux based Envs. [snip] plz dont rule out sys admin totally, maybe few guyz can be given that knowledge so that they can maintain the labs well.

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Re: Mail Looping Problem with Delivered-To header
by Sanjeev 14 Sep '02

14 Sep '02

hi all, found solution to my problem, my mails were looping back to the sender saying <first(a)test.cnpl.co.in>: This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) i had to make some changes in .fetchmailrc file, removed ``:'' (colon) envelope "Delivered-To" and added dropdelivered now its working fine, here is my running .fetchmailrc file set postmaster "postmaster(a)test.cnpl.co.in" set no bouncemail set no spambounce set properties "" set logfile /var/log/fetchmail poll 203.199.107.48 with proto POP3 and options no dns aka test.cnpl.co.in envelope "Delivered-To" user 'catchall(a)test.cnpl.co.in' there with password 'secret' is * here options fetchall smtphost localhost smtpaddress test.cnpl.co.in forcecr dropdelivered -sanjeev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sanjeev" <sanjeev(a)cnpl.co.in> To: "Charles Cazabon" <qmail(a)discworld.dyndns.org> Cc: <qmail(a)list.cr.yp.to> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Mail Looping Problem with Delivered-To header > Monday, Charles Cazabon wrote: > > >Sanjeev <sanjeev(a)cnpl.co.in> wrote: > >[...] > >> # .fetchmailrc > >> poll ISPIPAddress with proto POP3 and options no dns > >> aka myfqdn > > > >ISPIPAddress? myfqdn? Sorry, we can't help you unless you give us the /real/ > >names and IP addresses involved, the unedited output of qmail-showctl, and the > >complete log entries leading up to the bounce. > > > >Charles > > > > > hi, > > hope Charles, gets complete information from my side > > here are my fetchmailrc, qmail log, qmail-showctl (o/p), > in this example its, > mail from, user1(a)test.cnpl.co.in > to, first(a)test.cnpl.co.in > wwoutgoing and incoming mails are send to sanjeev(a)test.cnpl.co.in > > > ############# this is my fetchmailrc file v ############# > set postmaster "postmaster(a)test.cnpl.co.in" > set no bouncemail > set no spambounce > set properties "" > set logfile /var/log/fetchmail > poll 203.199.107.48 with proto POP3 and options no dns > aka test.cnpl.co.in > envelope "Delivered-To:" > user 'catchall(a)test.cnpl.co.in' there with password 'secret' is * here options fetchall > smtphost localhost > smtpaddress test.cnpl.co.in > forcecr > ############# above is my fetchmailrc file ^ ############# > > > ############# this is my qmail log v ##################### > > @400000003d7ecdd10e22d7d4 new msg 87719 > @400000003d7ecdd10e2331ac info msg 87719: bytes 1181 from <user1(a)test.cnpl.co.in> qp 1660 uid 505 > @400000003d7ecdd110e81254 starting delivery 33: msg 87719 to local sanjeev(a)test.cnpl.co.in > @400000003d7ecdd110e8839c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 > @400000003d7ecdd110fbf814 starting delivery 34: msg 87719 to local first(a)test.cnpl.co.in > @400000003d7ecdd110fc3a7c status: local 2/10 remote 0/20 > @400000003d7ecdd51678c114 delivery 33: success: did_1+0+0/ > @400000003d7ecdd5167926a4 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 > @400000003d7ecdd516d14d0c delivery 34: failure: This_message_is_looping:_it_already_has_my_Delivered-To_line._(#5.4.6)/ > @400000003d7ecdd516f65584 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 > @400000003d7ecdd51ba5a4f4 bounce msg 87719 qp 1665 > @400000003d7ecdd51ba60e6c end msg 87719 > @400000003d7ecdd51bbaea44 new msg 87693 > @400000003d7ecdd51bc0d5e4 info msg 87693: bytes 1863 from <> qp 1665 uid 507 > @400000003d7ecdd51d6bf1bc starting delivery 35: msg 87693 to local sanjeev(a)test.cnpl.co.in > @400000003d7ecdd51d6eeb74 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 > @400000003d7ecdd51d88ef9c starting delivery 36: msg 87693 to local user1(a)test.cnpl.co.in > @400000003d7ecdd51d8be184 status: local 2/10 remote 0/20 > @400000003d7ecdde0371bc9c delivery 35: success: did_1+0+0/ > @400000003d7ecdde0372222c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 > @400000003d7ecdde078550dc delivery 36: success: did_1+0+0/ > @400000003d7ecdde0785b284 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 > @400000003d7ecdde0785c60c end msg 87693 > ############# above is my qmail log ^ ##################### > > > ############# this is my output of qmail-showctl v ##################### > qmail home directory: /var/qmail. > user-ext delimiter: -. > paternalism (in decimal): 2. > silent concurrency limit: 500. > subdirectory split: 23. > user ids: 501, 502, 503, 0, 504, 505, 506, 507. > group ids: 501, 502. > me: My name is test.cnpl.co.in > ldapserver: My ldap server is localhost > > > badmailfrom: (Default.) Any MAIL FROM is allowed. > > bouncefrom: (Default.) Bounce user name is MAILER-DAEMON. > > bouncehost: (Default.) Bounce host name is test.cnpl.co.in. > > concurrencylocal: (Default.) Local concurrency is 10. > > concurrencyremote: (Default.) Remote concurrency is 20. > > databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 bytes. > > defaultdomain: Default domain name is cnpl.co.in. > > defaulthost: (Default.) Default host name is test.cnpl.co.in. > > doublebouncehost: (Default.) 2B recipient host: test.cnpl.co.in. > > doublebounceto: (Default.) 2B recipient user: postmaster. > > envnoathost: (Default.) Presumed domain name is test.cnpl.co.in. > > helohost: (Default.) SMTP client HELO host name is test.cnpl.co.in. > > idhost: (Default.) Message-ID host name is test.cnpl.co.in. > > localiphost: (Default.) Local IP address becomes test.cnpl.co.in. > > locals: > Messages for test.cnpl.co.in are delivered locally. > Messages for san.test.cnpl.co.in are delivered locally. > > me: My name is test.cnpl.co.in. > > percenthack: (Default.) The percent hack is not allowed. > > plusdomain: Plus domain name is . > > qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers. > > queuelifetime: (Default.) Message lifetime in the queue is 604800 seconds. > > rcpthosts: > SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at test.cnpl.co.in. > > morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect. > > morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No effect. > > smtpgreeting: (Default.) SMTP greeting: 220 test.cnpl.co.in. > > smtproutes: (Default.) No artificial SMTP routes. > > timeoutconnect: (Default.) SMTP client connection timeout is 60 seconds. > > timeoutremote: (Default.) SMTP client data timeout is 1200 seconds. > > timeoutsmtpd: (Default.) SMTP server data timeout is 1200 seconds. > > virtualdomains: > > now the qmail-ldap specific files > > ldapserver: My LDAP Server is localhost. > > ldapbasedn: LDAP basedn: o=localhost,c=com. > > ldaplogin: LDAP login: cn=qmail,o=localhost,c=com. > > ldappassword: LDAP password: qmailsecret. > > ldapuid: Default UID is: 600. > > ldapgid: Default GID is: 600. > > ldapmessagestore: Prefix for non absolute paths: . > > ldapdefaultdotmode: (Default.) Default dot mode for ldap users: not defined. > > ldapdefaultquota: Default quota for ldap users: 2000000S, 1001C. > > dirmaker: Location of program to create homedirs: /var/qmail/bin/custom_dirmaker. > > ldaplocaldelivery: local passwd lookup is 0 (1 = on, 0 = off). > > ldaprebind: ldap rebinding is 1 (1 = on, 0 = off). > > ldapcluster: (Default.) clustering is 0 (1 = on, 0 = off). > > ldapclusterhosts: (Default.) No alternate MailHosts for clustering listed. > > quotawarning: > ############# above is my output of qmail-showctl ^ ##################### > You are about to be over your quota. Clean your mailbox > > custombouncetext: > You have experienced some sort of problem delivering mail to us. > Please contact us at for more information. > > maxrcptcount: (Default.) 0 RCPT TOs are accepted before sending 553 (0 = off). > > tarpitcount: (Default.) 0 RCPT TOs are accepted before tarpitting (0 = off). > > tarpitdelay: (Default.) 5 seconds of delay to introduce after each subsequent RCPT TO. > > badrcptto: > > relaymailfrom: > Envelope senders allowed to relay: @test.cnpl.co.in. > > rbllist: (Default.) No RBL listed. > > rbltags: (Default.) No RBL listed. > > holdremote: I have no idea what this file does. > concurrencyincoming: I have no idea what this file does. > defaultdelivery: I have no idea what this file does. > relaymailfrom: I have no idea what this file does. > > > regards > sanjeev > >

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On how to mount an audio CD onto ext2fs
by Sankha Subhra Som 14 Sep '02

14 Sep '02

Thanx for the lead Satya. Herez a stepwise manner to do that Step 1 -------- Download any of the tar balls from http://www.elis.rug.ac.be/~ronsse/cdfs/download/ Step2 ------ There is a some bug in the header file cdfs.h To rectify it comment out parts of lines in the following manner #define BANNER FSNAME //##"\t"##VERSION #define EMPTYMESSAGE BANNER //##"\n\tNo CD mounted\n\n" If u wish u could try something more elegant :) Step 3 -------- Run make Step 4 -------- Load the loadable kernel module cdfs.o using /sbin/insmod cdfs.o Step 5 -------- Mount the aud cd using mount -t cdfs -o ro /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdfs Step 6 -------- To see track listings cat /proc/cdfs Enjoy!! -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** Do not try to live forever. You will not succeed.

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FreeBSD CD's required ....
by Rupesh 14 Sep '02

14 Sep '02

Hi, I am looking for FreeBSD 4.6 CD's. If anyone has the same please let me know, please email me offlist. --Rupesh

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[Announce] HTML.Template.java version 0.1.1 has been released
by Philip S Tellis 13 Sep '02

13 Sep '02

For those who don't know, HTML.Template.java is a java implementation of HTML::Template. It is almost completely compatible with HTML::Template.pm The only thing not supported are the caching directives and filters (which are on the way). By popular demand, this release has the global_vars option. die_on_bad_params has also been included. The tutorial on the website has also been updated to reflect some of the newer constructs. Homepage: http://html-tmpl-java.sourceforge.net/ Changes in current release: ver 0.1.1 - Fixed bug in tmpl_var which failed if parameter was not a String - TMPL_VAR and TMPL_LOOP now give a reasonable error message if parameter is of the wrong type - Var.typeOfElement now actually returns the type and not the name - support for die_on_bad_params - support for global_vars - New __COUNTER__ TMPL_LOOP context variable - Can now set default values for TMPL_VARs through the template: <TMPL_VAR name="myvar" default="default_value"> Philip -- fenderberg, n.: The large glacial deposits that form on the insides of car fenders during snowstorms. -- "Sniglets", Rich Hall & Friends

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Multiple 'root's
by Nikhil Joshi 13 Sep '02

13 Sep '02

Hi! Is it possible to give root previlages to some account ? It shud have all the powers of root. i know its kinda dumb idea but still i wud like to know if its possible. let's consider i want to give root previlages to foo I tried this: $cp /bin/bash /home/foo #chown root /home/foo/bash #chmod +s /home/foo/bash but when i do ./bash in directory nd type whoami it gives me foo nd not root ! what shud i do? Please enlighten.

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how to mount an audio cd to the linux fs
by Sankha Subhra Som 13 Sep '02

13 Sep '02

hi how do i mount an audio CD on to the linux file system. Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** Do not try to live forever. You will not succeed.

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[RPM error] memory alloc ?
by Sachin 13 Sep '02

13 Sep '02

hi there i have downloaded rpm packages of gnome 2 and i started upgrading them as "rpm -Uvh *" but following error occured! What is memory alloc error in rpm? pls help me sachin ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~Output=~=~=~=~=~=~= [root@voodoo gnome-2]# rpm -Uvh * dbiSetConfig: unrecognized db option: "db3" ignored dbiSetConfig: unrecognized db option: "db3" ignored read failed: Is a directory (21) error: files cannot be installed dbiSetConfig: unrecognized db option: "db3" ignored memory alloc (2615974892 bytes) returned NULL. [root@voodoo gnome-2]# ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= sachin(a)mediaibc.com MediaIBC ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= Creativity in living is not without its attendant difficulties, for peculiarity breeds contempt. And the unfortunate thing about being ahead of your time when people finally realize you were right, they'll say it was obvious all along. -- Alan Ashley-Pitt ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] popularizing linux in my college
by Suhit Kelkar 12 Sep '02

12 Sep '02

Dear Mr Singh, A linux seminar is the need of the hour for newbies like me. It isn't enough for me to drive the linux lovemobile; I now want to supercharge it! Will your seminar be useful to someone, who, say, does not know how to write shell scripts? Or is it totally technical? Suhit Kelkar -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Ping Problem
by Nikhil Kale 12 Sep '02

12 Sep '02

Hello All, I am quite new to Linux system. I installed Red Hat 7.1 on my home computer, which is a stand alone pc, and has no network connected. During installation my mouse was malfunctioning and I may have missed some N/w configuration screens. The problem is whenever i try pinging localhost ping 127.0.0.1 it gives this error: connect: no network found. I tried changing the NETWORKING field to "no" in the file /etc/sysconfig/network Also I checked /etc/hosts for localhost and its there. I discovered this error when I installed webmin and tried to browse to http://127.0.0.1:10000 to run it. Please help, Nikhil ===== Nikhil Kale Software Engineer Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

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[OT] [ACM] Debate/Discussion on software patents
by Philip S Tellis 12 Sep '02

12 Sep '02

6:30pm, Fri Sep 13, 2002 at NCST Juhu There will be a discussion cum debate as part of the ACM meeting this Friday at NCST Juhu. The discussion is titled: "Patents in Software: Good or Bad?" and is to be held on Fri Sep 13, 2002 (6:30 pm) at NCST, Gulmohar Cross Road 9, Juhu, Mumbai 49 (Landmark: Copper Chimney hotel). (Road map: http://www.ncst.ernet.in/contactus/images/ncstj_roadmap.gif) Recommended reading: Basics of patents - http://inventors.about.com/cs/patents/ IPR intro - http://www.acm.org/crossroads/xrds8-1/ipcourse.html http://www.uspto.gov/ Sites which speak either 'for' or 'against' patents (or sometimes from both perspectives):- http://swpat.ffii.org/ http://swpat.ffii.org/analysis/index.en.html http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/consultations/conclusions.htm http://www.europeshareware.free.fr/pages/pr_swpat2_e.html http://www.ipcreators.org/Heckel/ACM_Paper/acaddeb.htm http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2107497,00.html http://lpf.ai.mit.edu/Patents/quotes.html http://www.eff.org/ -- Art is anything you can get away with. -- Marshall McLuhan.

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grub single user mode
by Hiten Desai 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

Hi! I would like like to start single user mode I am having rh 7.2 with grub. wht would be the easiest way to start single user mode . Hiten. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] burning RH cds
by Kalpesh Vyas 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

Gurpreet, You must have copied the entire CD on the HDD first & then burn the copied contents on a blank CD...Bootable CD's cant be copied that way...Try DISKCOPY'ing the CD & it will work... Kalpesh M. Vyas > Gurpreet Singh wrote: > > hi luggerz > some of u might laugh on this but.... > have a prob, > i tried writing a RH installation cd on a blank cd, > but the new cd is'nt bootable.... > now how do i make those CDs bootable?? > to write CDs i was using windows and the HP application 'coz the > writer is not mine and the system that has the writer is not mine, so > have to bare up. > plz comment > Gurpreet > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > !----- PostMaster AvAc Certified Virus Free Mail -----! > QuickHeal Engine Ver :6.06 Updated Until 04-Sep-2002 Please visit www.qlc.co.in,www.postmaster.co.in -------------------------------------------------------------- QuantumLink Communications Pvt Ltd, Bombay, India !----- PostMaster AvAc Certified Virus Free Mail -----! QuickHeal Engine Ver :6.06 Updated Until 04-Sep-2002 -------------------------------------------------------------- QuantumLink Communications Pvt Ltd, Bombay, India

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Kerneld in Kernel-2.4.10/19
by Sachin Naik 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

Hi, I am trying to compile kernel version 2.4.19-rc1 on my linux box. Presently I have REDHAT7.2 ,with Kernel2.4.7-10 . I want to have kerneld compiled in the kernel(CONFIG_KERNELD).But when I do "make config" The option for Kerneld does not come up at all. Was the option removed ?? Or am I doing something wrong ?? I checked my present installation , even that does not have /sbin/kerneld. Is kerneld removed form linux kernel 2.4 ?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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c++ library reference ???
by Abhijeet Mhatre 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

Hi I fail to understand how the GNU software foundation fails to provide a free downloadable library reference for C++. If there is any, please please let me know. How would a C++ programmer hope to understand the C++ library without it. regards Abhijeet

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Mirror Debian packages not iso.
by Warren Brian Noronha 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

dear users, could someone mirror the debian dist pool instead of mirroring the iso's since, any one can download a 30 mb cd image and then install the packages he needs instead of downloading the whole cd. there is one mirror in banglore but its seems go down frequently. A good place to start would be. www.debian.org/CD -- Wolfgang ___________________________________ warren(a)freedomink.org /___/ MSN: warrennoronha(a)msn.com wbn.dnsq.org /___/ YM!: warrennoronha ____________________/___/ Jab: wbn(a)jabber.org

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popularizing linux in my college
by Gurpreet Singh 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

hello luggerz remember i told u abt the gnu/linux seminar in my college.. we've discussed abt the dates with the college authorities and suggest 1st week of october preferably 4th and 5th oct... comments plz.. the ppl who are gonna attend will be from the comp deptt so we want it to be a bit more technical this time, u know stuff like compiling c and java, and other programming tools and some netwroking and maybe samba n all too. If all dont grasp that much maybe some of us will.. the travel and stay of the ppl who visit us wud be totally our responsibility. the place is in distt sangli abt 8 hrs on bus from mumbai. the ppl who are interested plz reply to me off the list.. thankyou Gurpreet

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Motorola SM56 modem driver for RedHat 7.3
by mukesh kitawat 09 Sep '02

09 Sep '02

I have recently upgraded my linux system from 7.1 to 7.3 However my modem is not working. I have an internal modem of Motorola sm56. Tried to install the rpm driver sm56_5.1_i386. While connecting it gives the message " Cannot open /dev/modem " Plz help to locate the problem.

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make files...what r they??
by Gurpreet Singh 09 Sep '02

09 Sep '02

hello i was instaling this command line mp3 player called mpeg123 and during the installation came across these "make" files... can somebody tell me what these are and how do they function?? plz suggest and reading material for learnign abt them Gurpreet

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Test your understanding of GPL and LGPL
by Tahir Hashmi 07 Sep '02

07 Sep '02

Hi all! There's a nice quiz at http://www.gnu.org/cgi-bin/license-quiz.cgi that you can use to test your understanding of GPL and LGPL. Don't worry if you don't get everything right. The quiz is accompanied by correct answers and explanations :-) -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Interesting (off) Topic
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 07 Sep '02

07 Sep '02

Quasi wrote (in an earlier mail- Conspiracy theories make me sick. recieving a legal notice from some copyright holder whom u never heard of will produce the same result) > The moral/ethical aspects of the patenting system is an open and completely different discussion. Yeah we live in an imperfet world. > There are tremendous advantages of open source. But on what basis do you > say that closed software are far more buggy ??? experience: 19 yrs using closed source tools and 3 yrs using linux tools for development. Except for one locally developed cad tool (1988 vintage which sreams under dos, and just manages to work under windows) every opensource tool that we use has proved to be superior. > Why makes such comments that have weak basis and which put the open source movement in bad > light? Because this plainly makes out that the source may be open but the > mind is closed Puts open source in bad light why? I dont need to pander up to someone and win brownie points It is only in this forum that I critiise severly closed source and M$ since the members are quite open minded. further, responses both for and against provide a framework for presenting free v/s closed software in the correct perespective. As for my closed mind the above 19 yrs of battle and several thaousand reinstallaions and crash recoveries of windows has taken it's toll I suppose (not to mention the fact that development time and costs has been cut, performance of systems increased manifold, and great innovation is now possible using free software). Also the very encouraging reports (from personal friends using them) of crashes of XP and 2000 is helping the process along. > FYI, there have been IBM mainframes with "closed" OS as well as the > software which have been running robustly for more than a decade in many a > bank. Know at least two banks where this is not the case. Also know several who have had to recreate the software when the original supplier folded up. >>Yeah try explaining that to Billy baba. >I would love to, could you arrange a meeting please? I also hope he gives >me some money... No chance here, he isn't in my sphere of influence. However U could send him an email. just like u do to the developers of free software. Who knows he might even send u some of his gems of wisdom with a cheque. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Re:Interesting topic
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 07 Sep '02

07 Sep '02

Sameer Shinde wrote > It doesn't meen that I hate windows. If it has some goodies, it has it. > Accept it. There is no harm in that. Nobody is going to Kill you for that. > After being on the list for quite a long time I found that, some ppl on the > list are not ready to accept it. You reeeally need to do some serious reading. These so called features are individual tastes. If you think that these are features read Philip's mail. Features are those which comply with standards and work universally. In this respect both Libre and closed software have limitations. However Libre software allows you the means to correct any deficiences, closed software actively prevents you from dicovering and publishing such deficiencies. > Some ppl say that Linux is free & so not is windows. But can they tell me > what wod they have done if linux & all of its goodies were also not free? > They say windows is buggy, even I say. But then everything have some > bugs ( even human beings ) Nothing is perfect. We are developer atleast > we should understand this. are you confusing free and libre?. Libre software is buggy but allows U to correct it. Closed software is far more buggy BUT actively prevents u from discovering, correcting or publishing thes bugs. > I/we do some sort of programming & need to test it on different OS > But for a general user who is only interested in playing games, surfing > web & doing some work in word excel. Why should he swithch to > any other OS if he is getting MS for free ( pirated )? There is no reason > for that. Please carefully read the lug mail archives there is lot's of stuff there which will explain in detail the real issues at hand. Do not fool ur self into beliveing that this is abt a button here and a double click there. > Note : This doesn't mean that I'm in favour of Win & opposing Linux > I just want to clear a thing that If something is good, let it be good, > do not blame it. Rather try to make your system to be good. Yeah try explaining that to Billy baba. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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mp3blaster
by upendra gandhi 07 Sep '02

07 Sep '02

hi all can anybody tell me if i want to use mp3blaster on RH 7.0 which curses or ncurses i have to have coz at ./configure its asking for ncurses and i have ncurses -5 and ncurses4- intalled wht do i do?????????????? ===== upendra gandhi CIW ASSOCIATE (Server Admin.Internetworking Professional, Security Professional) http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com pengan78(a)linuxfreemail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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[OT] Interesting Conversation
by Nikhil Joshi 07 Sep '02

07 Sep '02

Hi! I had a conversation with my B.E. comp friend about Linux. Basically he is doing a project in VC++ fr:So you are doing project in Linux right ? me:yeah. C programming in Linux fr:Oh,does Linux have VB,VC ? me:No fr:hmm... so will my VC programs run on Linux? me:No fr:Then what's the use of Linux? I was stupified. (OK Windows programs can b emulated but still they cannot 'run' right ?) This is from a guy who had Operating Systems,System Programming,Microprocessor in his syllabus I guess the whole syllabus is 'DOS' oriented. ppl still cannot digest the fact that there are many other compilers other than the 'standard' Turbo C++ 3.0 Also I've observed that this is the general awareness/attitude of Comp. ppl abt Linux. I can only imagine what it must be like for Arts/Commerce/ ppl to understand what is Linux -- Nikhil

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Re:Interesting topic
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

Quasi wrote >>At 02:52 morn 9/5/02 -0600, JTD wrote: >>the less informed said > as I was about the only one talking about X, and as I am one of the less > informed anyway, let me take this up... '-) No offence meant mate. (my apologies if it did offend) >1) X gui is bloated > More precisely, that X GUI suxx ;) - i.e. for the uninitiated, it is not > (very) sophisticated. U mean it's too sophisticated for the uninitiated. >For those who dont read complete threads, I read the complete thread ;-)). > Note I was talking about the GUI only. Not the underlying architecture. And further, > considering only the *GUI* aspect - that is precisely my gripe. > I have used X servers available from 96 onwards (svga, accelerated Mach64, XFree86), QNX, BeOS & M$ Windows > 3.11/95/98/98SE/NT/2000/XP. The fastest I have used was X+fvwm2 (used to > run on a 386 without a FPU and with only 8Mb of memory), and it was way, >*WAY* better than win 3.11/95. The flashiest/eyecandy were >X+gnome+enlightenment and XP. The smoothest/fast/crisp/stable I have used >is the win98 SE GUI. all themore reason for not cribbing. >3) users want something that works >Seems that the issues were mixed and arguments against linux were not in >context. >(it would have been better if you had quoted the contexts.) Heck quote all those mails... but read on >2)total number of non i386 processors sold is higher by several orders of >magnitude. > eh? if you are meaning Intel 80386 processors, you are probably right. yes that is exactly what i meant. > But if you meant processors of the x86 family, I must say you are >completely off the mark here. The *powerful & complex* machines you talk >about have pitiful tiny numbers compared to the cheap & generic x86 >processors. Also as of today, IMHO, if you consider pure computing power, >the best of the x86 family must be the most powerful. confusing ... comparing x86 to x86 > They run customised software which makes it possible for crap like > windows to exist in the first place. (Power, railways, mining, > communications, manufacturing, medical tecnology). >3) If u think that windows works ur idea of "works" needs corrective >education (a stint at gulag microsoft might be in order). If u are an >engineer please dont mention the two in the same breath. >Windows does work. If your idea of "works" is a huge complex system >running huge complex custom software, you should buy a PC, maybe. > Unix (traditional or Linux) has almost no competition in the *huge complex* > world. But isnt that completely besides the point? the systems are indeed hughe and complex but individual processors are far less complex than a i386 infact they are 8 and 16 bit devices. and most run tcp and x25 stacks for communication. The point being that other than a office desktop (where it is used because of accident rather than any great design) windows is good for nothing. >But the above completely misses out on something very basic "what is good >for u and ur business" U may be a business end user or a professional in >the computer industry, the basics are the same. > [this is getting off topic, nothing to do with X - but maybe "Interesting > topic" includes all :) ] No no it's abt making a living v/s you toiling to make billy babas living. > Consider this, (if you can) : My father (a real person) Would never doubt that ;-). > is an cartography expert. He used to makes maps by hand in his younger days. excuse my ignorance but are you refering to GIS systems (is cartography a subset or superset of GIS) > Today he makes them with the aid of a computer. They have spent ~7 lakhs on a software One of my aquantainces dowloaded an open source GIS system and is developing numerous customised applications for clients. his raw material costs 8 hrs download ( Rs.8 for cable internet) Sprints on linux R.H 7.2. > called MapInfo. Runs on windows {grin}. He has minimal computer > background. I had been trying to con him into installing GNU/Linux with > X. But he asked me : - > 1. Will my software run on Linux or is there a equivalent s/w on Linux? See what happens if u use windows > 2. Will my HPDeskjet blah blah printer run on Linux (print manager, et.al)? >3. Will I be able to use Linux with my current knowledge, as I have minimal >time? > 4. Will *I* be able to manage Linux as I am the most computer savvy person clip case of cart before the horse. > 5. We have about only 10 PC's, so we cannot afford an engeneer/sysadmin. Sys admin? what for. >6. When we have spent 7 lakhs on MapInfo we did not mind spending 5-10Kz on >Windowz. is that all. No mail server, no firewall, no word processing, no spread sheet? >-- and most importantly -- > 7. It works fine on windows, what advantage will I get on Linux ? Using windows is the bait. The trap lies ahead (but that is a much hacked story) > I think we were trying to discuss ways to promote Linux? Dispelling scepticism in potential software and technical personnel is what i thought. But then things got very interesting ;-). But promote where ? Most of the developer open community already uses Linux. Most of the snip > Most of the non-software-developer community wants (intelligent) black boxes which help > them be more efficient in what they do best. And if you[1] want GNU/Linux > there, then imposing ones' idea of cool isnt about "choice" - the touted > mantra. > [1] "you", because I have no such particularly burning desire. I love it > and I would not mind if it remained the exclusive domain of > geeks/nerds/developers/students/free-souls. The whispered truth of the > matter is that if *all* the users are your own community then where will > your chapati+bhaji come from? I am indeed making chappati + bhaji with beer thrown in from developing customised applications which are unthinkable in any context other than free software. >So IMHO stop thinking about windows. It is irrelevant in 99% of >microprocessors. > So IMHO, try to get out of the well. There are many wells all around. We > should keep our mind open enough to swim in any of them whenever we choose > & need. Closing an option or not seeing the enemy's sword is not very wise ... Yeah and swim in the oceans of the brave new GNU world. As for converting desktop pc it will happen on it's own with a little change in X some in Y and some more in Z. The only limitation of Linux is brand equity. The day somone decides to spend mega bucks on promoting linux the door would shut on widows. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Re: mp3blaster
by upendra gandhi 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

i am using tar file men does 7.2 RH is the min reqt upendra gandhi CIW ASSOCIATE (Server Admin.Internetworking Professional, Security Professional) http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com pengan78(a)linuxfreemail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] mp3blaster
by Amol Hatwar 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 upendra gandhi wrote : >hi all >can anybody tell me if i want to use mp3blaster on RH >7.0 >which curses or ncurses i have to have coz at >./configure its asking for ncurses and i have ncurses >-5 and ncurses4- intalled >wht do i do?????????????? *snip* For doing that you need development packages installed. If you have compiled and installed the see to it if they are available in the include and library paths while compling mp3 blaster. Inclide thos paths in /etc/ld.so.conf (its a simple text file) and run ldconfig. This generally does the trick. A simpler way would be to use binary packages. Regards, Amol.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Interesting topic
by Amol Hatwar 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 Q u a s i wrote : >At 02:52 morn 9/5/02 -0600, JTD wrote: >>the less informed said > >as I was about the only one talking about X, and as I am one of >the less informed anyway, let me take this up... '-) > >>1) X gui is bloated > >More precisely, that X GUI suxx ;) - i.e. for the uninitiated, it >is not (very) sophisticated. For those who dont read complete >threads, Note I was talking about the GUI only. Not the >underlying architecture. And further, considering only the *GUI* >aspect - I have used X servers available from 96 onwards (svga, >accelerated Mach64, XFree86), QNX, BeOS & M$ Windows >3.11/95/98/98SE/NT/2000/XP. The fastest I have used was X+fvwm2 >(used to run on a 386 without a FPU and with only 8Mb of memory), >and it was way, *WAY* better than win 3.11/95. The >flashiest/eyecandy were X+gnome+enlightenment and XP. The >smoothest/fast/crisp/stable I have used is the win98 SE GUI. *snip* The moral of the story ... Different people have different choices. As Indians with limited resources, GNU and free (as in freedom, not give aways)is the way to go. Besides the point, one can't really take the digestive system out of an animal and say that it suffers from excess wind. X _is_ slow, running it standalone wasn't at all envisaged when X was developed. However if one wants a GUI on a standalone there's no choice, but to use it. People who use it on a N/W think otherwise. regards, Amol.

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inet problem
by Hiten Desai 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

Hi! I am having redhat 6.2 (2.2.19) I have network adapter of 1) intel epro100 2) intel pro 1000 I have to reload the inet service 3 to 4 times a day I have tried changing the lan card. I receive this error on console e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware another constant error which I receive is kernel: cdrom: open failed. modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-10 modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-10 modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-10 modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-10 I have tried changing my lan card (from eepro100 to pro1000) Hiten. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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DeveloperIQ: GentooLinux 1.2, PhatLinux, compile your kernel...
by Frederick Noronha 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

----------------------------------------------------------------- DeveloperIQ "India's first complete software mag" Sept 2002 issue: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Highlights from the issue, compiled by FN: * Free as in freedom... focus on some alternate OSs - SpinOS (an OS that blurs the distinction between kernels and applications). - ReactOS: an Open Source effort to develop a quality operating system that is compatible with Windows NT applications and drivers. - BeOS: contains advantages from several OSs without ancient oddments of older versions. - Inferno: middleware, networking operating system, and a development environment for embedded systems. - Gentoo Linux 1.2: High-performance ports-based Linux metadistribution. Gentoo Linux has an advanced package management system called Portage. - Phat Linux 3.3: You can install Phat Linux on your computer without repartitioning your hard disk. - S.Ha.R.K: a dynamic configurable kernel architecture designed for supporting hard, soft and non real-time applications with interchangeable scheduling algorithms. * In the CD: - SpinOS - ReactOS - BeOS - Phat Linux 3.3 - Gentoo Linux 1.2 - Vita Nuova Inferno - netowrk operating system - SHaRK - XFree86 (freely redistributable, open-source implementation fo the XWindows Systems) * Post your problem: Questions on - How to figure out if your Ethernet card is recognised? (itconfig netstat) - How to access files on an MS-DOS partition or floppy - What does it mean if your meachine boots, says LI and then freezes? - What if you forget your Linux password? - How to install GNU software in Linux? - How to configure your network in Mandrake? - How to create a 'multiboot' LILO in Linux? * Compile your own Linux kernel. Continuing the journey with Philip de Groot. Concluding of a two-part series. * Look out for some database abstraction on PHP and learn about the Perl DBI (use Perl to access many different types of databases through a single API that works independently of the actual database being used). * Ad for Borland Delphi7 Studio. "Provides the migration path to .NET that developers have been waiting for. ... you're in control of a complete e-business development studio -- with the freedom to easily take your solutions cross-platform to Linux. Visit www.borland.com or email indiacustserv(a)borland.com mentioning Delphi7 in the subjectline. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Contact DeveloperIQ (www.developeriq.com). Price Rs 100 in India. Two CDs included. Bouquets and brickbats to ramdas(a)developeriq.com Send your letters in under 350 words, mention address/job designation ----------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha Freelance Journalist http://linuxinindia.pitas.com

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Opening up GNU/Linux in new areas ...
by Frederick Noronha 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

In the thick of the (delayed) monsoons means one has to put up with an additional round of computer-related woes. So, this evening, I found myself at ASIC in Panjim, trying to sort out a bad sectored-hard disk. One of the staff there raised the issue. "Why don't you teach us Linux?" he asked. Soon, two or three others were asking. In no time, they had put together a list of seven e-mail addresses, all of whom were hardware techies wanting to "learn Linux". Maybe the question was not put to the best person. (I'm no GNU/Linux guru.) But it set one thinking.... What can be done to promote GNU/Linux among new users? And also among Windows techies and hardware people, who could then spread it further? Two suggestions: * Tips on GNU/Linux targetted at newbies, to help them take up a kind of self-learning process... Such tips could be of the how-to-get-started type. * Holding a few demos of various installs. Andrew asked: "Please let us know when you'll will demo an install." He underlined the need for handholding for new users to get past the partitioning stage. Any volunteers to take these possibilities forward? Pls contact me off-list. Thanks, FN

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Query on Gphoto...
by Frederick Noronha 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

Any idea why my digital camera downloads superbly with Gphoto on Mandrake 8.0, but doesn't with Gphoto on RedHat 6.2? Tks, FN

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Intel pro1000
by Hiten Desai 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

I have installed Intel Pro 1000 (10/100/1000 Mbit) on Redhat 6.2 (2.2.19) but I am receiving this error on console e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware e1000: Receive Errors Reported by Hardware __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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Interesting topic
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

the less informed said 1) X gui is bloated 2) most of the world uses windoze 3) users want something that works 4) u cant make money on free software Seems that the issues were mixed and arguments against linux were not in context. 1) X was designed with networking in mind. It is ideal for a thin client environment and will outperform the windows gui (which in fact cannot operate as a thin client) by miles not to mention issues of maintainence and upgradation. 2) HE HE. total number of non i386 processors sold is higher by several orders of magnitude. They run customised software which makes it possible for crap like windows to exist in the first place. (Power, railways, mining, communications, manufacturing, medical tecnology). 3) If u think that windows works ur idea of "works" needs corrective education (a stint at gulag microsoft might be in order). If u are an engineer please dont mention the two in the same breath. 4) Refer 2. One single contract in one of the above fields will provide you enough work to last a life time. If u so much as mention windows in these circiles u would be thrown out pronto (presuming you managed to worm ur way in in the first place). But the above completely misses out on something very basic "what is good for u and ur business" U may be a business end user or a professional in the computer industry, the basics are the same. Lets talk only of a business providing software to another business. Basic principles are 1) reduce the cost of your input raw material (best if free) 2) deploy your manpower effeciently (debug your code instead of M$ code) 3) Focus 4) Reuse (possible in the above industries only if complete processor cross compatability exists) So what would you do fatten microsoft and waste time finding uncorrectable bugs or use GNU/Linux With the advent of the latest Open office suite, the last hurdle has vanished (a very small number of issues remain with some complex M$ documents). So IMHO stop thinking about windows. It is irrelevant in 99% of microprocessors. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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[ANNOUNCE] HyParSuite - Hypertext Parsing Suite
by Ravindra Jaju 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

Hi all. This is to announce a pre-alpha release of my Hypertext Parsing Suite. It can "clean" HTML ( or other markup languages, depending on the user-defined rule table ) to get an output which matches the rules in your table, create a DOM tree for use in various applications and a lot of other stuff. It comes in the class of Tidy ( tidy.sourceforge.net ), but has very different goals. One is - it does NOT try to create standards-compliant HTML, but cleans and parses to create something useful for applications ( like, in information retrieval and extraction etc. ). It reads its rules from a user-supplied table, and the default one resembles HTML very closely. The suite includes a sample.cpp file to show how to use the library. And the library can be linked to your applications too. Examples could be extracting particular parts from your markup language files like links, or tables. It is written in C++, and does not *yet* use the auto* tools. Simple make commands to build and install ( in your $HOME ) We have run this code on huge amounts of data ( > 1 GB ), and found it to be stable and without memory leaks. There are other related applications written around this code which I'm planning to release soon. Please download and test. URL: http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~jaju/hypar/ Online docs created from doxygen can be found on the site. -- jaju PS: Probably not the right time to release, as I'll be away from Saturday for a week. But please let me know of any issues/ideas/suggestions, and I'll look into them after I come back.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] nikhil : re to re
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

>planet must use it. There always should be some space for >improvement ;) true... but i refuse to let loose my purse strings for patchy software from MS. -Amol.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

At 06:28 even 9/4/02 +0530, Philip wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > I dont need some site telling me which is better - I *use* IE6 and Mozilla > > 1.0 - Mozilla is good. Especially Galeon is very fast under Gnome (as it > >I think what he meant was that IE cannot display all the features of style >sheets because it doesn't support them. IE is not a standards compliant >browser, although IE6 is probably the closest that they've come. I had got that. But my *whole* argument was from the user point of view. Not the technical. Mozilla may be superior to IE in design, architecture etc. - but IE is faster/cleaner to use. Have Netscape/Mozilla *always* been 100% compliant? My webpage, which I handcoded in HTML looked bad in Netscape 4.?, It looked better in Mozilla, but much better in IE5+. I have used png, jpeg, CSS2.0 & plain HTML only. On my X, Mozilla takes 10-15 seconds to start. Galeon takes 4-7. On my windows Netscape 6 took ~20 sec to load. Mozilla 6-10. IE takes ~1 sec. It is not that I need IE, when in Linux I prefer Links. But of course it is pointless. quasi p.s. I think with this mail I will retire from this thread. Throwing about our-own chests in front of each other is not the Linux way, at least not for me. I have peace, in that I have converted a sufficiently large number of people to the GNU/Linux way.

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Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Parul Mathur 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:29:36 +0530 > From: Ravindra Jaju <jaju(a)it.iitb.ac.in> >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 07:09:02PM +0530, Philip S Tellis >wrote: > > Hmm, I use HTML generated by a CGI script reading from a text >file. It > > takes me 20 minutes to make my text file. > >I use a simple Perl script. >You can supply a stylesheet from the command line, or else you >get >plain 'white' pages ... > >I can make the Perl script available if anyone wishes .... > >-- >jaju > Dear Philip, I was very impressed when I first saw you using those HTML files as "slides". When I left NCST and joined my present company, I made a stylesheet that mimicked the company standard for PPTs. To make individual "slides" I would manually and laboriously make several copies of the first "slide" and then edit it... you get the picture. So I would be really grateful if you could make your CGI script available for download on your website. Could you also make a non-CGI version available for use on the command line? Thanks. Dear Jaju, I was equally impressed by your tutorial at http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~jaju/tutorials/net/tcpip/node1.html I was using IE6 at that time (800 x 600 resolution) and for some reason the text in the "slide" on the right seemed too big; I tried to change the text size to "Smallest" but there was no effect. Something wrong with IE? In any case, your Perl script would be very welcome too. Instructions for use would also be very helpful. Thanks. Parul

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Internal Modem
by Sameer Shinde 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

Dear Lugers, We ( myself & Kedar ) having some problems while installing the Motorola sm56 internal modem on RHL7.2 Can somebody help us. The readme file along with the rpm which we have says that the rpm file can be used on RHL7.1 along with the kernel 2.4.x But we have RHL7.2 along with kernel 2.4.x Can anybody tell us how can we use the rpm on 7.2 If not where can we get the drivers for 7.2 & / or 7.3 Thanks & Regards, SAMEER :) P.S. : Sometime back I read ( I think on mailing list only ) that Motorola stops developing the drivers for sm56 on linux. Is this true? In such case how can we get the drivers. Actually this is one of the reason why I'm not switching from 7.1 to 7.2 or 7.3 or any other distribution. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Messenger IDs : MSN : s2sameer Yahoo! : s9sameer RediffBol : s2sameer Indiatimes : s2sameer Visit My web-site @ : www.geocities.com/s9sameer/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Q u a s i wrote : >At 03:28 even 9/4/02 +0530, PTellis wrote: >>On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: >> > click, get a presentation done for tomorrow in 20 minutes and >>go to >> >>powerpoint takes significantly more than 20 minutes to build a >>presentation. more than a few hours actually. even then the >>presentation isn't visible on an OHP because the person who >>built the presentation doesn't understand the difference between >>a CRT and a projector. > >If that comes to that, it is best to use transparencies and OHP >marker pens. That is why most of the dear lecturers at NCST do >that. > >>well, I use linux because it works better than anything else >>I've used, and it looks better than anything else I've used. >>Yes, I use X a lot when I'm at work, and it's painful to have to >>use a windows machine after sitting at my system. The widgets >>look ugly, the colours are >>terrible, the sharp edges I don't like, and the nasty >>double-clicking is too much for me. I use Gnome as my DM and >>Mozilla as my browser. > >{grin} we surely have different tastes. But I guess the colours >bit is a bit too much dont you think? You can have whatever >colours you like, windows or x. In XP you get all sorts of >curves too, translucence, shadow, single clicks - all the works. >Even getting single clicking to win98 SE is a trivial 5 sec job. >Come come Sir, let us be unbiased. > >I am not propagating M$ products. >I am not saying windows is better overall. >All I am saying is dont ignore the good points of M$. As I >mentioned earlier, M$ has had no qualms incorporating features >swiped from all over the place. >What makes windows bearable, too, are some super cool *free* >software available for it. *chop* Those are called give-aways. If you have paid for the software, you have paid for the give-away in a way. If you haven't what you are doing is illegal. >Anyway we can sit arguing like this forever. In the end, we get >used to and love what we use. Yes, we could go on... But we should remember that we should only do things that we love doing legally ;). I may agree that Windows does give much more better performance compared to Linux with respect to some areas. But then one must also take several other things into account. If Linux was a built like Windows it would be hundered times better, perhaps more stable even. You may like using MS today, but as how many people and I see it, GNU/Linux will have the upperhand in the future. You can mark my words for this one :). Amol Hatwar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

At 07:09 even 9/4/02 +0530, Tellis wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > If that comes to that, it is best to use transparencies and OHP marker > > pens. That is why most of the dear lecturers at NCST do that. > >Hmm, I use HTML generated by a CGI script reading from a text file. It >takes me 20 minutes to make my text file. I use HTML for slides too. I dont have M$ Office. But a *lot* of others do. And calling them idiots is rather strange. q p.s. before we spiral out, please try to recollect my first mail, if you read it. I _am_not_ propagating Windows here for you all to jump on me. I did not even say anything against GNU/Linux. I only said X sucked. It really does. Why be zealotish?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

At 08:01 morn 9/4/02 +0530, Nikhil wrote: >I can only imagine what it must be like for Arts/Commerce/ ppl to >understand what is Linux What makes you think that *all* CS BE students know what a computer is? I have a friend with TCS who did his BE CS from VJTI and who surprises me. And I know a few from Commerce/Arts who aint bad... not bad at all. quasi p.s. Engg is a big joke. If you know what I mean... ;-D

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [COMMERCIAL] SysAds Required / CISA,CISSPs Required
by Amol Hatwar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 Nilesh Chaudhari wrote : >Hi! Guys, > >The company where I work needs system administrators with >the following requirements - > > * Should possess a BE degree with atleast 1 year > of system administration experience. > * Extensive knowledge of Linux/OpenBSD. > * Strong on TCP/IP & Networking > * Extensive knowledge of Proxies/Mail/DNS/FTP servers > * Well versed with Firewall architectures and IDSes > * Strong Shell / Perl Scripting Skills. > * Very good communication skills. > * Based in Mumbai. > >Additionally, there is also a requirement for CISA/CISSP >certified guys with following criteria - > > * Should possess atleast 2 years experience in the > security field. > * Should have CISA / CISSP certification ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which company is this? How many people in India have CISSP certs? Just below a 100! Bleh! -ah.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

At 03:28 even 9/4/02 +0530, PTellis wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > click, get a presentation done for tomorrow in 20 minutes and go to > >powerpoint takes significantly more than 20 minutes to build a >presentation. more than a few hours actually. even then the presentation >isn't visible on an OHP because the person who built the presentation >doesn't understand the difference between a CRT and a projector. If that comes to that, it is best to use transparencies and OHP marker pens. That is why most of the dear lecturers at NCST do that. >well, I use linux because it works better than anything else I've used, >and it looks better than anything else I've used. Yes, I use X a lot when >I'm at work, and it's painful to have to use a windows machine after >sitting at my system. The widgets look ugly, the colours are >terrible, the sharp edges I don't like, and the nasty double-clicking is >too much for me. I use Gnome as my DM and Mozilla as my browser. {grin} we surely have different tastes. But I guess the colours bit is a bit too much dont you think? You can have whatever colours you like, windows or x. In XP you get all sorts of curves too, translucence, shadow, single clicks - all the works. Even getting single clicking to win98 SE is a trivial 5 sec job. Come come Sir, let us be unbiased. I am not propagating M$ products. I am not saying windows is better overall. All I am saying is dont ignore the good points of M$. As I mentioned earlier, M$ has had no qualms incorporating features swiped from all over the place. What makes windows bearable, too, are some super cool *free* software available for it. Anyway we can sit arguing like this forever. In the end, we get used to and love what we use. >I can watch movies full screen, and if only I could get a pair of speakers >in here, I could hear them too (my sound system is configured correctly). We can watch full screen movies in Windows too. :D And yes I require a pair of speaker to get sound out of windows too. BTW on my P200MMX watching fullscreen movies on Linux was *very* jerky. Ditto windows media player. But Cyberlink player played the same movies super smooth. > > that it has the potential to be ~170 deg K. > >hmmm... cool enough to get frostbite. ofcourse, if that's too cool for >some people, they could just switch themes, and linux would be hot! as you know, ice can give you "burns" ... :D So, that 170'K I mentioned is both super cool as well as burning hot - take your pick. Let me quote William Blake "If the doors of perception were cleansed, all things would appear infinite" quasi

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Amol Hatwar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Q u a s i wrote : >At 04:47 even 9/4/02 +0530, TH wrote: >>On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:05:35 +0530 >>Q u a s i <quasar(a)vsnl.net> wrote: >> >> > I still trip on winamp+tripex3 and surf the net with IE. >>(X-windows suxx majorly.) >> >>Hold it, hold it. Circa June 2000, my Gnome + Enlightenment >>desktop was a showcase that caused many a dropped jaws. I can >>any day say without hesitation that Gnome (haven't used KDE) is >>ages ahead of MS > >We dont agree. I have had X all the time past 6 years. But I >have always found it be a substandard, and a rather ad-hoc GUI. >The need to keep it generic and portable has made the X >architecture excessively slow. They are bring in (supposedly) >cool things like DRI etc. we shall see... I have used Gnome >(Xamian & otherwise) and it has definitely come a long way but it >lacks smoothness and that crisp feel. First time I installed >enlightenment and the bluesteel theme even my jaw dropped to the >floor. But enlightenment has eye candy but is bulky and slack & >I dont like nor need all those frills while working. Sawfish is >fast but still not smooth enough. IceWM & FVWM2 were the best I >have used. Windows 98SE is *way* faster and smoother and >crispier (talking about the GUI only) especially when you take >away the web integration. In the past 2 years I am using it I >have got the arbit blue screen only 4 or 5 times. And I have >hung my xserver as many times too. Whatever you use, you have to >tweak it for better performance, aint it so dear Sir? We can all >equally say {quote}"I'm sorry, you probably never tried to go >beyond the default settings of your window manager."{/quote} *cut* Starting from XP onwards this will change. MS GUI will be more idiot-friendly. Win98 SE is longer officially supported. Besides that is your copy legal? -Ah.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Image Support with PHP
by Amol Hatwar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Ravindra Jaju wrote : >On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 12:50:01PM -0000, Amol Hatwar wrote: > > > > Ahhh, see I'll make it sound simple - before any HTML is sent >to > > the browser, the server dishes out headers to it. The > > 'Content-Type' and Content-Size is one example, cookies are > > another. However this process only happens once, that is to >say > > you cannot send headers after you've sent the browser HTML. > > > > So do your includes _before_ sending HTML and do not print or >echo > > anything in the includes unless you obviously can't do with >out > > it. Also for debugging, set variables rather than using >die(). > >Not too sure about this, but iirc, this changes with the newer >version >of PHP. > >Output is buffered, so you can have headers anywhere. > >Need to confirm though. > Nor am I... but I am sure sometimes scripts have to run with older versions of PHP. Server Admins resist installing something new just because its has one new cool-feature. Basically they are *drones*, but with PHP the reasons are good - major security flaws. So its better to have headers before HTML. Your scripts stay portable. Regards, -Amol Hatwar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Image Support with PHP
by Amol Hatwar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Tue, 03 Sep 2002 kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net wrote : >Hi guys, > >I am having an issue with generating images using PHP. > >When I include the PHP file(ex. graph.php), which generates the >PNG image, in my current html file, it gives an error saying >"Headers already sent. * snip * Ahhh, see I'll make it sound simple - before any HTML is sent to the browser, the server dishes out headers to it. The 'Content-Type' and Content-Size is one example, cookies are another. However this process only happens once, that is to say you cannot send headers after you've sent the browser HTML. So do your includes _before_ sending HTML and do not print or echo anything in the includes unless you obviously can't do with out it. Also for debugging, set variables rather than using die(). Regards, -ah.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] command line MP3 player??
by Amol Hatwar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Q u a s i wrote : >At 12:06 morn 9/3/02 +0530, you wrote: >>hey luggerz >>does anyone know of a mp3 player that can be run from the >>command prompt >>my system gets real slow on the gui and even slower if i play >>some media >>Gurpreet > >try splay or mp3blaster. >on my Pentium MMX 200MHz it used to take up 9-11% system >resources according to top. Compare this with winamp which used >~40%. But the latest versions of splay and mp3blaster are >equally fast. > mp3blaster rawks! -ah

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Amarendra Godbole (Intl Vendor) 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

> Adding on to what Harsh said, I would like to point out that most > universities across the world are beginning to adopt UNIX as the > standard platform for teaching programming. UNIX ? But that's closed source isn't it (at least the commercial versions.) Was it s/UNIX/Linux that you meant to say ? --amar -- Amarendra A. Godbole / Microsoft ``Services For UNIX'' / These opinions are _MINE_. You are the sum total of the choices you make.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] command line MP3 player??
by Mandar Khanolkar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

hi Gurpreet try mpg123 song.mp3 command. Mandar On Tue, 03 Sep 2002 Gurpreet Singh wrote : >hey luggerz >does anyone know of a mp3 player that can be run from the command >prompt >my system gets real slow on the gui and even slower if i play >some media >Gurpreet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux CD
by upendra gandhi 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Statistical Analysis in PHP
by Amol Hatwar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net wrote : >hi guys, > >I have a mysql database with some statistical data. I need to > >write a php script to perform analysis on that data. > >Does anybody know any functions in PHP which would help me > >to calculate mean. *snip* bad luck... AFAIK PHP has every function in the world except those. Try proding at the math functions - I haven't used them yet. If don't get anything there, we can implement it in PHP. If you need the functions to be fast - they should be; (PHP is about speed) we can implement it in C, and extend PHP. Perhaps, even get our modification incorporated. Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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command line MP3 player??
by Gurpreet Singh 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

hey luggerz does anyone know of a mp3 player that can be run from the command prompt my system gets real slow on the gui and even slower if i play some media Gurpreet

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[OT] [Commercial] Sort-term Professional courses at NCST
by Philip S Tellis 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

==================================================================== Short-Term Professional Education Courses at NCST ==================================================================== NCST is committed to India's role as a leader in software technology. Apart from carrying out R&D with a practical impact we also make a significant contribution to high quality education and training of professionals for the IT industry in India. NCST courses are highly valued for their balanced emphasis on core concepts as well as current technologies, and our Short-Term Professional Education (P.E.) courses are no exception. The details are available at the following address: http://www.ncst.ernet.in/education/advcourses/ Upcoming Short-Term Professional Education Courses at NCST Mumbai ----------------------------------------------------------------- Course | Date | Fees | Venue ------------------------------------------------------------------- Artificial Neural | September 16th - 20th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Networks | 2002 | | Kharghar | | | Unified Software | September 16th - 20th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Development Process | 2002 | | Juhu | | | Learning Management | September 23rd - 25th | Rs 4500/-| NCST, Systems | 2002 | | Kharghar | | | Assessment | October 16th - 18th | Rs 4500/-| NCST, Technologies | 2002 | | Kharghar | | | Intelligent | October 21st - 25th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Information Retrieval| 2002 | | Kharghar | | | Fundamentals of | November 11th - 15th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, COM | 2002 | | Juhu | | | Fundamentals of | November 11th - 15th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, COM | 2002 | | Juhu | | | Theory and Applns of | November 25th - 29th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Algorithms | 2002 | | Juhu | | | Graphics using OpenGL| February 3rd - 7th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, | 2003 | | Juhu | | | Computer Aided | March 24th - 28th | Rs 7500/-| NCST, Geometric Design | 2003 | | Juhu | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------- * Prospective participants from recognised, academic institutions (such as IIT, VJTI, BITS, IISc., etc.) are eligible for a 50% waiver in the course fee for all the Professional Education (PE) courses announced by NCST. Such application forms should be accompanied by a certificate from the Departmental Head or Principal of the academic institution to certify that the participant is a bonafide employee working in the capacity of a Lecturer/Professor/Technical Head, etc.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Amarendra Godbole (Intl Vendor) 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

> windoz (dumb) ppl don't understand this , they are > addicted to it , they think windoz is GOD and Billu is > making money out of all this. Both the OSes' exist irrespective of our opinion about them. IMHO, these kind of statements are a bad advocacy. We should be `pro good' and not `anti something.' Just my 0.02 INR. --amar -- Amarendra A. Godbole / Microsoft ``Services For UNIX'' / These opinions are _MINE_. You are the sum total of the choices you make.

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IIS / ISAPI group
by kshitijv 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi, Sorry for posting off topic message. But, I want to know if there are any similar user groups or mailing lists for IIS and ISAPI developers? can anybody give me some links for the same? -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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[ot] developer demographics
by Q u a s i 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

"A survey on demographics of open source developers. 98.9% male, 41.4% single, mostly in 20s, largest number aged 21, majority (48%) use Debian with Red Hat a distance second (13.8%), majority got involved in open source in second half of 1990s, 70% living in Europe." [quoted from a post on c.l.l]

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PPTP client
by Chris Caughey 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi, Just wondering if you ever found the source of your problem referred to in the post below. I'm experiencing the same thing. Thanks, Chris Caughey [ILUG-BOM] PPTP client Girish Hanchate linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Thu Mar 28 15:10:06 2002 * Previous message: [ILUG-BOM] FETCHMAIL * Next message: [ILUG-BOM] Re: mail backup * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi, I am facing problem while installing PPTP client on Redhat linux 6.2. I installed pptp-linux-1.0.3-1.i386.rpm & ppp-mppe-2.4.0-4.i386.rpm. after installing when i start setup it gives me following error Insecure $ENV{ENV} while running with -T switch at /usr/sbin/pptp-command line 505, <STDIN> chunk 1 Rgds Girish

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Image Support with PHP
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

Hi guys, I am having an issue with generating images using PHP. When I include the PHP file(ex. graph.php), which generates the PNG image, in my current html file, it gives an error saying "Headers already sent". It then displays the image as ASCII text. This happens only when the include statement is preceeded by any html tags. if I remove the following statement from graph.php, it eliminates the error but still shows the image as ASCII text: 'header("Content-type: image/$this->img_format");' How do i make it work smoothly I am using the jpgraph 1.7 class library to generate the png images. Cheers Kapil Karekar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Image Support with PHP
by Chandrashekhar Bhosle 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

I do it this way with jpgraph // create a cached image <?php date_chart($rows, "years.png"); ?>  <center><img src="jpgraph_cache/years.png"></center></br> <table>...</table> function date_chart($rows, $aCachedName) { $graph = new Graph(512,384,$aCachedName, 0, false); // .......... } Change jpgraph constants USE_CACHE, READ_CACHE and CACHE_DIR to enable caching and put appropriate permissions on the cache dir. - cnb On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:58:23 +0530 "Kapil Karekar" <kapil_karekar(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > Thanks for the reply. > In your mail you have mentioned that: "You can't send html tags before > displaying an image if > you're generating it in that script." > > However I need to display some results in a tabulated form and then show a > number of pie-charts based on those results. > > So there should be some way of interleaving html tags with dynamically > generated images. > > Any help will be really appreciated. > > Regards, > > Kapil > > > > >

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diff approach.... popularize linux in our college
by Gurpreet Singh 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

>Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:57:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Diff approach......towards popularising linux in ur college >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > >--- Mitul Limbani <mitull(a)wrox.com> wrote: > > Well i have no issues on Saturdays .... >[snip] > Hello Luggers, > > Lemme add to the topic aldready under discussion. >Sometime ago Dr. Nagarjuna, Dinesh and me had been to >Sangli to conduct a 2 day WorkShop on gnu-linux. It >was quite an enriching experience and educatiing for >us too on various fronts. The enthusiasm of the >youngsters wanting to learn gnu-linux and being so >receptive to the idea of Free Software meant a lot to >all of us from the Ilug-Bom. [snip] only a handful of those ppl who attended the workshop are actually in touch with linux as of now and the rest have just forgotten it... reason-- those ppl were from the auto mobile branch and most of the comp branch guys didnt know abt it. we plan to do it exclusively for the comp sc. students who need things like these(as a part of there cirriculum). > > At the end of the workshop we had completed with half >of Hands on Installation for all of the students. And >i am pretty sure that some of them pple who Grasped >some of the Basics are still around. > > Instead of making it to the college again and >conducting another workshop, i should suggest that now >Rajaram Bapu College of Engineering form their own >Free-Software Cell which would consist of Like minded >pple interested in propogating the concept of Free >Software and also have an Open Forum for solving >Technical Problems related to Free Software >implementation all over their own college and the >surrounding colleges too. > [snip] we are from the lot that were there for the workshop and are very thankful to trevor and dr nag to introduce us to something as kewl as linux. but we are starters. we arent so well off with things that we can explain it to other ppl. i agree that we can introduce linux to ppl, but we wud need some experts to make things crystal clear and also to set up a fully equiped lab.. we have done as much as we cud by setting up a lab with a server for ftp and telnet but more needs to be done. we ourselves are having a few probs to which we need solutions.. SO PLZ I SUGGEST THAT LETS MAKE IT A COMBINED EFFORT, WE'LL HELP THE EXPERTS THAT COME BY TAKING UP PORTIONS OF THE WORKSHOP THAT WE ARE CONFIDENT WITH... I ALSO PROMISE A VERY GOOD RESPONSE THIS TIME. -Gurpreet > IF NEEDED, we can have a bootcamp in Bombay conducted >by the Ilug-Bom and SPEARHEADED by the luggers who >were ready to spare some time towards this noble >cause. This bootcamp could cover teaching some core >members of the College the core skills required to >setup/maintain the servers/setup of the Labs and also >indulge them in a HOWTO on setting up a local Free >Software grp in college. > > I think this is the right thing to do, since after a >2 day workshop @ Rajaram Bapu C.O.E by now some of the >core canidates should be bold enough to Spearhead the >Free Software Campaign with some amount Hand Holding > from our side. I > > I sincerely doubt re-conducting the whole workshop >episode again. > >Trevor Warren > > > > >

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] aint ny students keen on PRC..??
by Nikhil Karkera 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 Trevor Warren wrote : > Wat abt the rest of the world...??? Aint no students >interested...???? Hi Trevor, Below is my recent mail to Dr. Nagarjuna along with his reply. Didn't post this to the LUG. The mail was directed only to Dr. Nag, 'cause I stay in BARC, and could hop into HBCSE easily. However, I thought I should keep you informed. Warm Regards, Nikhil. On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:03:05PM -0000, Nikhil Karkera wrote: [snip] >I teach at a computer institute called "Amrita Institute of >Computer Technology (AICT)" which is located at Nerul, Navi >Mumbai. The institute conducts MSc. & BSc. degree courses in >"Software & Information Systems". These courses come under >Bhartihar University. > >The 2'nd year MSc. students have a 6-month full-time project as >part of their course curriculum for the final semester (Jan 2003 >- >June 2003). > >I have been following the discussions with regard to the PRC, >on >the LUG list. I am hoping to involve interested students from >the >institute with the PRC projects. However, I could not gather >much >about the kind of projects that the PRC would offer, what might >be >it's duration, etc. The students are keen to know. > >It would really help if a face-to-face discussion could be >arranged between the students and a mentor. Not only would such >a >session fulfill the purpose of answering their queries, it >would >also give the mentor a chance to evaluate the students and >direct >them to an appropriate project. > >I would be very greatful, if you could take some time off your >schedule for such a session. I think a discussion of 30 to 60 >minutes should suffice. The students are ready to come to >HBCSE. >You could give me some convinient time-slots wherein such a >discussion can be held, and I will make arrangements >accordingly. > >Many thanks, >Nikhil. > > I am now in Trivandrum, will reach Mumbai on 9th. Contact me on 9th afternoon, we will fix up soem time. Thanks Nagarjuna

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Hangman anyone?
by Tahir Hashmi 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

Hi! Does anyone have the text version of hangman? I tried google but nothing substantial turned up. (Uh, there was a 1.2 Meg *collection* of games and some BSD sources that didn't compile). Any ideas folks? -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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qmail delivery
by Girish Hanchate 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

Hi, We are designing mailing setup for our offices. We are planing to use qmail as smtp for our all offices. Our setup will be having one IDC server which will be on R.H linux qmail & 15 branch offices server will which be also on R.H qmail. I have one doubt on qmail mail delivery, suppose my bracnh server users are sending single mail to 10 users will that mail travels 10 times to my IDC server or it will travels as a one single mail to IDC my server ? We will using outgoing SMTP server for all branches as a IDC server. Rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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command mode screen-saver
by Nikhil Joshi 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

hi! I've observed that in character mode the monitor screen blanks if the PC is left unattended for some 10-15 mins. where is this setting located ? As a non-privileged user i gave this command: $ setterm -powersave powerdown -powerdown 1 but the monitor doesn't turn off after 1 min. Also has anyone used a screensaver for character mode? P.S. I'm beginning to luv char mode God help me !! ;) -- Nikhil

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Enabling AGP support on my Intel 850 with nVidia VANTA
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

Hi, For some reason AGP stays disabled in my kernel, according to /proc. Does that mean anything? My card was correctly recognised and configured by XFree86 4. I had compiled AGP support into my kernel, not as a module. trantor5:~# cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status Status: Disabled trantor5:~# cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/card Fast Writes: Not Supported SBA: Not Supported AGP Rates: 4x 2x 1x Registers: 0x1f000007:0x00000000 trantor5:~# cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge Host Bridge: Intel i850 Fast Writes: Supported SBA: Supported AGP Rates: 4x 2x 1x Registers: 0x1f000217:0x00000000 trantor5:~# cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.18/ trantor5:/usr/src/linux-2.4.18# grep AGP .config CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y # CONFIG_AGP_I810 is not set <-- could this be the problem? # CONFIG_AGP_VIA is not set # CONFIG_AGP_AMD is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SIS is not set # CONFIG_AGP_ALI is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SWORKS is not set trantor5:/usr/src/linux-2.4.18# uname -a Linux trantor5 2.4.18 #4 Sat Aug 31 14:23:24 IST 2002 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sheriff Chameleotoptor sighed with an air of weary sadness, and then turned to Doppelgutt and said 'The Senator must really have been on a bender this time -- he left a party in Cleveland, Ohio, at 11:30 last night, and they found his car this morning in the smokestack of a British aircraft carrier in the Formosa Straits.' -- Grand Panjandrum's Special Award, 1985 Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest.

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Attn programmers: support offered [FLOSS-Sarai Initiative]
by Frederick Noronha 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

Dear friends, Can we manage to get some money into backing Free/Libre Open Source Software initiatives, that would help young volunteers out there to support their cash-strapped initiatives? Sarai.net, a Delhi-based initiative under the CSDS (Centre for the Study of Developing Societies) has been solidly supportive of such an idea. Jeebesh Bagchi <jeebesh(a)sarai.net> sent in this offer recently. It could surely be of help particularly to college students and others wanting to make a break in Free Software/Open Source, but hamstrung by resources. It might help if projects are initially kept small and definitely workable, I guess. This is my own gut-level feeling, but maybe bigger initiatives which are clearly workable could also prove convincing. If such experiments prove useful, maybe there would be a good case for greater support to free software/open source developers in regions like ours. --FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Sarai Programme, Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi (www.sarai.net) invites applications for Support Grants to projects in the area of Free Software, Open Source Software and Social Usage of Software Sarai invites programmers (practictioners as well as students) to propose projects in the area of free and open source software applications relevant to educational, social and community needs. We are looking for original ideas, as well as proposals to localize and adapt existing software and applications to South Asian conditions, For example - Desktops in Hindi, Open Office and Gimp in Hindi. Lighter versions of desktops like KDE, Innovations that creatively optimises older lower configuration machines, Linux documentation in Hindi, games using local context, etc. What is Sarai Sarai is a public initiative of media practitioners and scholars looking at media cultures and urban life. Sarai's interests are in the field of old and new media, information and communication technologies, free software, cinema, and urban space - its politics, built form, ecology, culture and history, with a strong commitment to making knowledge available in the public domain. It is a programme of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi. For more information visit www.sarai.net. Sarai is committed to promoting the free software and open source vision. Conditions: Applicants should be resident in India, and should have a bank account in any bank operating in India. These are support grants and grantees will be free to pursue their primary occupations, if any. Mail your project proposal, workplan and CV to both the following addresses: <application(a)sarai.net> with a copy to <fred(a)bytesforall.org>. Please mark your subjectline 'FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) Initiative'. Also point out what you see as the relevance of your work, and how you plan to share the resultant software once finalised. Enquires: dak(a)sarai.net Last date for submission: October 15th, 2002. Note: Proposals from teams, partnerships, collectives, faculty are welcome, so long as the grant amount is administered by a single individual, and the funds are deposited in a single bank account in the name of an individual. -------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Statistical Analysis in PHP
by Amol Hatwar 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 Philip S Tellis wrote : >On 29 Aug 2002, Amol Hatwar wrote: > > > If you need the functions to be fast - they should be; (PHP is >about > > speed) we can implement it in C, and extend PHP. Perhaps, even >get our > >AFAIK, PHP is nowhere near as fast as C (and friends), LISP, >Perl, Ruby >and Python. Philip :), give me something authoritative to believe you. And besides that my mail wasn't even about what is fast! Regards, -ah.

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Open Source + Government
by Frederick Noronha 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

Thanks to Sunil Abraham of Bangalore for posting this across to the BytesForAll mailing list. FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear B4A Readers, Venezuela's Government Shifts to Open Source Software: The announcement, made on Wednesday, stated that from now on, all software developed for the government must be licenced under the GPL. The entire policy was summed up in this statement by Dr. Felipe P�rez-Mart�, Planning and Development Minister: "Open source whenever possible, propietary software only when necesary." http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-08-30-011-26-NW-LL-PB Open-Source Government One thing most technology experts can agree on is that California's state government has squandered billions on ill-conceived information-technology (IT) projects in recent years. Whether it was the more than $100 million in taxpayer funds that state authorities admit were wasted on the state's automated child-support system or the more recent purchase of thousands of unneeded software licenses from Oracle, the sorry record is painfully clear. California desperately needs a more workable IT plan. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2002/08/29/osg… Thanks, Sunil ===== Sunil Abraham [MAHITI] 314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur Bangalore - 560 071 Karnataka, INDIA Ph/Fax: +91 80 5352003. Pager: 9624 279519 sunil(a)mahiti.org http://www.mahiti.org _______________________________________________ Bytesforall_Readers mailing list Bytesforall_Readers(a)mail.sarai.net https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/bytesforall_readers

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux CD
by Amol Hatwar 31 Aug '02

31 Aug '02

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a wrote : >Hi, > >You can get it from IndiaInfoTech.org . > >Dhiraj Thakur & Sheetal Chopra are doing a great job by serving >the >free software community with latest linux distros at affordable >costs. > >I got Debian 3.0 at just Rs 50/- a CD. >Thats real cheap & affordable as student *snip* I got the same at 30/- at linuxplaza.org. And yes Prahant Shah does a good job too. -ah

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] whats = do in syslog.conf
by akshaysalkar 31 Aug '02

31 Aug '02

but thats the same as mail.info why put the = ?? linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: hello akshay, akshaysalkar writes: > Does any one know what '=' does in the syslog.conf? > > well i know the reg. exps. *, ! etc. but could not really understand the 'man' about '='. > The equation sign specifies the priority of that particular facility. Let's see the following entry for eg.

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Linux CD
by Linux Group 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

Hello, Can anyone tell from where I can get the Redhat 7.3 or SuSe Linux CD ?? Thanks __________________________________________________________ Give your Company an email address like ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro today! Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Cd
by Amol Hatwar 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 Abhijeet More wrote : >Hi, >For the GNU/linux cds, >check http://www.linuxplaza.org ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AFAIK Will give you CDs for Rs. 30/- each! Plus, I got them on Samsung media. ;) Jeet. Amol Hatwar.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Statistical Analysis in PHP
by Amol Hatwar 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 Kapil Karekar wrote : >I have tried scouring the net for statistical functions in php. >No luck 8~( > >Can you sugest any alternative methods which can be integrated >with PHP. As I had said earlier... make your own functions in PHP. If they prove to be slow make a dynamic module in C so that the function becomes native to PHP. In the later method your code and the function itself will run faster. If you need any help regarding this ... get in touch with me OFF_LIST! Amol Hatwar.

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can mails be accessed via SSL?
by akshaysalkar 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

can mails be accessed via SSL? say want to fetch the mails from VSNL and i use netscape messenger and if i try enabling SSL .? will it work? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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Linux Classes
by Linux Group 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

Hello Everybody, Can anybody tell me which and where is the Good Class for Linux in Mumbai which will clear all the funda?? Also one can try for Certification then ??? Thanks __________________________________________________________ Give your Company an email address like ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro today! Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/

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NEWS: Grassroots push for 'open source' in Indian software
by Frederick Noronha 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

India-Tech/Development-Bangalore Grassroots push for 'open source' in Indian software By Frederick Noronha BANGALORE, Aug 26 (IANS): 'Open source' and free software could open up new windows of opportunity both for coders in the Indian software power-house, and also to benefit those on the wrong side of the digital divide. Soaring global software prices, tightening anti-piracy laws and even just the ethical edge it promises is pushing campaigners from across the country to lobby with international organisations and governments for the greater use of 'non-proprietorial' software. Increasingly, a small but growing band of 'free software' and open-source advocates are pushing for a greater emphasis to this form of software. Unlike proprietorial software, open-source can be freely copied and shared across computers. "If we calculate the actual cost (of pirated software being used in the ... country) India would lose a significant chunk of its billions earned from its software earnings," argues mahiti.org CEO Sunil Abraham. mahiti.org is a Bangalore-based non-profit organisation that works to 'affordable and simple' solutions to the non-governmental and non-profit sector. Bangalore's NGO sector is rather active, while this city is also considered the software Mecca and sometimes called India's Silicon Valley. Such a trend pushing towards 'open source' was visible during a United Nations Development Programme-organised meet to shape a UNDP-Government of India country programme on information and communication technologies (ICTs) for development held here on the weeked. Dominant global players, represented by firms like Microsoft, are hard-pressed to swim against the 'open source' demands. "Every technology has its pluses and minuses. If you find it is suitable for your purposes, go ahead and use it (open source software). But do an evaluation first. Don't be biased. Nothing is really free," argued Microsoft's manager for technical services in North India, Punya Palit. "It's not just the 'operating system' that is available, but some 1500 application softwares that come along with it," said Pune-based Systems Research Institute executive director Jagdish G Krishnayya. He pointed to the potential of software like Linux, which is getting increasingly noticed. 'Open source' or free software refers to non-proprietorial software that often allows its users to copy the programme across many computers, meaning that the cost of the software often plunges to unbelievable lows. Its proponents argue that while this may at first seem as affecting the viability of software businesses, it would throw open vast new fields to software usage in time to come. "Instead of spending money running after software piracy, the Government of India should spend the funds to promote open source software (which would also bring down piracy of proprietorial software)," Abraham argues. Other initiatives also give hint of the potential sought to be tapped in the field of open source software. Recently, UNDP's offices in the US were on the lookout for suitable Indian participants for a global conference, to be held in October at Washington-DC, on the use of 'open source for e-governance'. Delhi-based alternative organisation Sarai, affiliated to the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS), along with a forum of lawyers in Bangalore and mahiti.org, plan to build a 'copyleft registry'. This would list all resources which are publicly accessible and freely reproduceable -- thus promoting its sharing, while at the same time protecting the rights of the person who created the work. But Abraham argues that public money -- spent on research institutions and universities -- should go towards building software that remains publicly-accessible, and thus 'open source'. He also points out that big names worldwide -- including Nasa, Nato and Walt Disney -- were going in for open source software, and there was no justification for India not. NGO workers and IT specialists also point to other related issues that block the power of computing in a country like India. Besides the software blocks, there are other factors hampering the greater use of computers in this country of a thousand million people but where PCs sold each year are barely two million or less. Computing was not benefiting the commonman because it was being divided by multiple standards, multiple vendors, its too-expensive nature, solutions that don't fit Indian requirements, and more importantly the lack of adequate and affordable local language technologies, it was pointed out. "There is this hype created by computer vendors that hardware needs to be updated constantly," says Government of Madhya Pradesh commissioner for family welfare Aruna Sharma, agreeing at this meet in some way on the need for countries like India to look to alternatives to battle the so-called 'digital divide' that excludes the poor from the power of computing. Pointing to other options coming up, Dr P Venkatachalam of the Indian Institute of Technology (Mumbai) said that India expects to have satellites that would offer hi-tech 'cartosat' information with detailed images in some two years time. But, he cautioned, the country would probably have not yet built up enough capacity and skills to make optimal use of such images, which could have considerable applications in rural areas and development. As this workshop pushed the attention on using ICTs for development, Government of India's Department of IT e-governance director S.P.Singh said fishermen in parts of the country -- particularly the southern Maharashtra coast -- were already using suitable technology. Some in Ratnagiri, coastal Maharashtra, had gained some access to low-cost fish-finders, global-positioning systems that identified their location and communication equipment which was being used to boost fish-catches.

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whats = do in syslog.conf
by akshaysalkar 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

Does any one know what '=' does in the syslog.conf? well i know the reg. exps. *, ! etc. but could not really understand the 'man' about '='. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Samba file server.
by akshaysalkar 29 Aug '02

29 Aug '02

u can enable shares for samba in [homes] section and for windows by enabling the share of the drive or directory. linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: Hi, I had setup a samba file server for my corporate. and it is functioning well. I need some help on setting up path to a share. ie, the executable programs like foxpro, norton utilites,I need to set the path while logging into the server. Is there any way to do this. Pls anyone advice me. thanks in advance Rajesh. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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