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Re: want to install yahoo messenger on ubuntu 6.06 how
by Roshan 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

> > hello, > I just installed ubuntu 6.06 on my friend's desktop. > the internet is working and she wants to know how > yahoo messenger can > be installed. > I went to the yahoo web site and tried to download > the debian version > of yahoo messenger. > Why not use Gaim, Kopete that comes along with > (K)Ubuntu? Kubuntu has Kopete pre-installed, so using Kopete would be the best option. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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LTSP Servers with limit on RAM usage by a single workstation
by Chirag 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

Is there any facility in LTSP Server to have a limit on the RAM to be used by the client. I mean If we have 20 Clients connected to a single workstation can we put a maximum RAM usage limit for that client so that it does not hampers the overall network performance Thanks in advance Bye for now CSJakharia Subscribe to bermudaEmail: [input] [input] Browse Archives at groups.google.com --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

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Krishnakant: quoting
by Satya 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:52:14PM +0530, krishnakant Mane wrote: >On 20/09/06, jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> wrote: >You absolutely must get the chipset details. U are more than likely to >come to grief in the future otherwise. And that is irrespective of >wether it works now or not. Since gnu/linux get updated almost every >day, if the board has closed specs u are sunk. >but I am not going to keep on updating the system. by the way I am >not using these boards for making computers any ways. Krishnakant, please quote your messages correctly. The usual way is as I have done above, with an attribution line saying who wrote the portion I'm quoting, and a relevant excerpt set off by the '>' sign. With some spacing so it's easier to read. (I know others here don't put spacing between quoted material and their reply. That makes all the text run together, hard to read. Believe me, if it's not easy to read I'm not going to.) -- Satya. http://www.thesatya.com/ Discoveries are made by not following instructions

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knopix on USB with reference to the kernel compilation challenge thread.
by krishnakant Mane 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

On 19/09/06, jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> wrote: U mis understood. There is no 64 mb knoppix. But u could customize knoppix easily. ok here is what I need. the system will be a cli no graphical desktop involved. and it is also going to have a simple program which is menu driven, no bash. and of course the festival screen reader. and I want the kernel also to have very limited modules. Krishnakant.

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want to install yahoo messenger on ubuntu 6.06 how?
by krishnakant Mane 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

hello, I just installed ubuntu 6.06 on my friend's desktop. the internet is working and she wants to know how yahoo messenger can be installed. I went to the yahoo web site and tried to download the debian version of yahoo messenger. however it did not work. she is also now the member of ilug but seams her messages awaite moderator's approval. so any reply to this thread will any ways go to her. Please suggest the solution. thanking all. Krishnakant.

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Hall of fame
by Kenneth Gonsalves 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

hi, we have launched a hall of fame for foss in India. It is here: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/HallOfFame please do contribute -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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[commercial] Looking for CGI / PERL /PHP programmer
by Anupam Gupta 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

Dear Friends A swedish company is looking for a programmer on 3 month contract. The person should know CGI / PERL/ PHP and have knowledge of Linux scripting. Two to Four years of experience is desirable. Exposure to Firewall, VPN's, Proxy, Spamming technologies would be desirable but not pre-requisite. with warm regards anupam 093229 50115

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: a funny insident with me, gnu/linux debate.
by VKB 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

>> talking about getting schools to use linux, well that's the way to go. >> today the main reason why there is all this problem of gnu/linux is >> not this and gnu/linux can't do that is because there are less >> gnu/linux users on the desktop. this can only change if students are > > Personally, I would rather see Linux on the corporate desktop. And on > government desktops. Once you have those in place, the rest of the world > will follow. > Both have their roles... I'd rephrase that as : "WHAT (reach Corp/Govt desktops) and HOW (via schools)". Many (commercial) software companies have special discounted pricing under the "academic/educational" category. This comes from their market-researched and calculated view to capture students/learners early in their lives. When these users reach corporate or government desktops in their careers they tend to specify/use the software tools they are already exposed/familiar (from their school/study days). I've continue to do my 2p worth to promote open standards in both those spaces, when I teach, and when I consult. So far having more success with the former than the latter (wrt desktops). --- vkb

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A small exposure to GNU/Linux
by VKB 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

> Re: [ILUG-BOM] A small exposure to GNU/Linux > On Monday 18 September 2006 14:24, Roshan wrote: >> The question that I have ask is this. We had a DLP >> Projector that could not synchronize with the hardware >> and the display always went out of Range for Ubuntu >> 6.06. > > I know that sucks a lot :( I have encountered this problem on certain > occassions. As somoene else also mentioned. Its teh modelines. > I could get the external projector to work if I (re)booted my laptop after the external device was connected. I use Ubuntu 6.06 on my cheap (<Rs.35K) laptop. (Acer TravelMate 2410, Celeron 1.4GB, 256MB, 40GB) BTW with Ubuntu6.06 on this laptop, except for WinModem, all the hardware on this laptop works and was/is usable without any special procedures. (even the MTNL/Dlink ADSL router via USB works fine). --- vkb

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Alsamixer does not show all sliders.
by Nadeem M. Khan 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

Hi. Continuing with my sound woes with suse 10.1... My alsamixer does not show all controls. it shows only pcm and capture. There is no "main" control. I am not able to play sound at max volume. I think the hidden "main" slider is the reason for that. My sound card as detected by alsaconf is "snd-hda-intel". Any pointers? Regards, NMK.

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Re: How to design multilingual website
by Vivek Rai 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

> > Use Drupal. Go to drupal.org and drupal.in > I second that.. (IF the site you are designing is a fresh one, and can easily fit into a CMS like drupal). I had used its i18n once, is straightforward. If this is for Indian languages, you may also check joomla, has more indic translations of the core interface. These use an internal mysql database, but you also have several caching options to tune for performance.

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Re: Installation voes.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

> the display and lan are the major problem. One of my friends have a Intel 915GV Pentium 4 HT machine, and although I have never seen him encounter any issues with his LAN card, but he does have trouble with his resolution at times. As far as I remember, Fedora Core 5 managed just fine, but Ubuntu 6.06 had issues. This was solved using a program called 915resolution. It is there in the Ubuntu repositories, so one can use Synaptic to install it. There is a similar program called 855resolution meant for Intel 855 based boards. Regards, Debarshi -- Anything free is worth what you pay for it.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] challenge: customise ubuntu basic system to run from USB
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

Is there any specific reason to use Ubuntu? If not then you can try http://www.pendrivelinux.com/, which has HOWTOs with Puppy Linux and Knoppix. For Fedora based systems, there is a tool called Kadischi which generates a customised live CD from a specified repository of RPMs. Kadischi is still in beta stage, but they are planning to make it capable of generating live USB devices and not only CDs. Cheers, Debarshi -- Anything free is worth what you pay for it.

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apache with local vhost files
by Kenneth Gonsalves 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

hi, i have a server where numerous domains are served through apache virtual hosts. This is on debian sarge. So I make one file per domain in sites-available and symlink to sites-enabled. This is getting to be a bit of a bore. I would like the users to make their own vhost files and keep them in their home directories and to symlink from there to sites-enabled. My problem is this: if the user misconfigures, then how do i prevent him from crashing my apache? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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A small exposure to GNU/Linux
by Roshan 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

This post is sent to three lists (GNU/Linux , FSF-EDU, FSF-FRIENDS) because I wanted to share this experience and also have a small question. I was asked to present a seminar on a topic assigned to me. The seminar topic doesn't have much relevance to this post, but there was something different that I tried. In a way, I have exposed "Free Software, Ubuntu LIVE CD" distro to my classmates and one of my professor. I didn't speak about GNU and Free Software, but I did mention about considering (GNU/Linux) as an alternative to Windows. One mistake I committed, was I being a bit bais to GNU/Linux and pin-pointing _only_ Microsoft to be responsible for proprietary software. The question that I have ask is this. We had a DLP Projector that could not synchronize with the hardware and the display always went out of Range for Ubuntu 6.06. Why?..Doesn't ubuntu run on DLP's? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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How to design multilingual website
by Ashok kumar 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

hii, I want to design a multilingual website and finding very very difficult how to go about it. Have any one done this before ? if yes !!! what are the points one has keep in mind while designing such website.

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challenge: customise ubuntu basic system to run from USB disk
by krishnakant Mane 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

hello all. I am putting this challenge with reference to my portable book reader project. I want a way to customise my basic ubuntu system and run it from a USB flash card that is put in mobiles or in cameras. or may be a pen drive? the system will be as follows. 1> a kernel having only those modules required to boot from a USB disk and having sound, display, and other necessary things. the kernel wont have network drivers or even ide drivers. no cd rom drivers. 2. I want to make such an OS on the computer and then port it to usb. 3. I know I wont be able to boot this small system from my hard disk after saying that I will exclude ide drivers. I want a way in which I can create a chroot jail in my existing ubuntu box and try things around a bit. then some how may be format the USB disk with ext2 and then put it on there. or may be make an iso image like what slax does and put it on the pen drive with the help of unionfs. any ideas? Krishnakant.

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Re: does any one know debian cd vender in Mumbai?
by Roshan 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

Hello Mr. Krishnakant, I have actually managed to find a link though, I cannot guarantee the CD / DVD quality because I personally do not have any experience of purchasing it from this Vendor. The Vendor is Kiraninfotech and they have their website where you can order Debain CDs. http://www.kiraninfotech.com/store/ What actually brings me to this vendor is that he's listed on Knoppix's Website for purchasing Knoppix CD's from India. Forturnately, he's located in Mumbai. http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-vendors/index-en.php Hope this Helps. Thirdly, the most underused resource of this mailing list is the wiki. You can access the following link and contact Mr. Mehul for debain CDs. http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/CDs_Available __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Get a file through FTP
by Gòþï 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

Hi, i have some problem in FTPing a file, googling could not help around. I have a shell script wriiten on my linux machine(Server A) that get's a csv file from another server(Server B). Every minute , a csv file is updated on Server B and every 30 secs the Server A gets the file from B. Off late, my shell scripts throws an error and does not get the file. but next time i restart the shell, it goes fine . the log file shows the error "550 abc.csv: The system cannot find the file specified" i am also posting the error log file , please advice . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ########################################################## FTP start Time: 09:30:00 Current time: 11:13:16 Time difference : -6196 FTP start Time: 09:30:00 FTP end time: 23:30:59 Time difference : -50459 FTP end Time: 23:30:59 Current time: 11:13:16 Time difference : 44263 ########################################################## Fetching remote file: c:/Inetpub/ftproot/abc.csv Before ftp FTP_MACHINE:X.X.X.X FTP_USER:abc FTP_USER_PASSWD:xxxxxx FTP_FILE_REPOSITORY:/home/xxxx/xxxx/data REMOTE_FILE_NAME:abc.csv Connected to X.X.X.X 220 XXXXX Microsoft FTP Service (Version 5.0). 331 Password required for polluser. 230-Welcome To XXX FTP 230 User abc logged in. Local directory now /home/xxxx/xxxx/data 200 Type set to I. Carriage Return stripping off. 227 Entering Passive Mode (X,X,X,X,6,86). 550 abc.csv: The system cannot find the file specified. 221 FTPed file not found, exiting FTPed file not found, exiting ____________________________________________________________ -- Thanks , GK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you aim to fly, then don't hang around with chickens. Why? Because chickens can't fly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://spaces.msn.com/gopimumbai/

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a funny insident with me, gnu/linux debate.
by krishnakant Mane 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

hello every one. relax and just chil out with the following real joke that took place with me on 15th. at a school where I was advocating gnu/linux over m$ with one of the "naukars of MR bil dada". I was at a function for my falisitation from my own school in dadar. the guest of honour was some one from microsoft since they donated 100 computers with windows of captivity to the school. as usual I was explaining the authorities at my school why they should not teach windows to young students and do bad sanskars on them. actually one of the dignitories MR. Nitin Shah was also an associate of redhat linux. so I had one person to speek for me as well. the ms guy started to show me down by saying you un organised geeks don't even know what Information Technology means to people. and u can only develop academic toys for college students who want to know what is an OS like. your system can't offer any thing except a toy box. I told him "sir, there was a hindi film called divar just few years back, I just transfered one of its famous dylogs into IT" MR. Bil Gaits: "mere pas word hain, excel hain, access hain, power point hain, SQL server hain, tumhre pas kya hain bolo kya hain tumhare pas!" I say "mere pas freedom hain". this just came out sponteneously and out of the box. the entire staff was in throws of laughter. and it was then that they asked me what did I say that even some one from MS can't answer. the rest is not history but will be future. enjoy. Krishnakant.

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Re: Installation voes.
by Roshan 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

> Hello All, > > I wanted to introduce linux to an office so on a P4 > machine with Gigabyte 915 mobo and 1 GB RAM For the above configuration I would suggest trying Kubuntu 6.06 or Ubuntu 6.06. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 41, Issue 46
by zeeshan chawdhary 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

there a website for engineering that offers Linux DVD's and CD's at nomincal charges it www.techbirbal.com

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does any one know debian cd vender in Mumbai?
by krishnakant Mane 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

hello, I have a requirement of pressed cds of debian or ubuntu server. actually I tried searching the shipit web site for ubuntu server cd but they don't ship server cd. is there a way to contact ubuntu and ask for server cd with printed cover? actually I have a project on my hands where I am going to implement an erp system. the customer even after reading the gpl is not convinced that the cd I am giving will hold the same value. the old man believes that as a director he can't take a risk on this. just like the ubuntu desktop cd I gave him, he feel that if the cd for server also has a similar make and the same printed cover, it will be licensed. now I am not finding ubuntu server cds like this. so may be I will choose debian cd set. by the way I want to try out debian installation. may be jtd will help me out with instructions for tellingthe installer to install 2.6 kernel and using priority as medium so that I get to choose which components I can install. I think there are some kernel parameters to be given? regards. Krishnakant.

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Royal society Journals online [OT]
by jtd 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

Nearly three and a half centuries of scientific study and achievement is now available online in the Royal Society Journals Digital Archive following its official launch this week. http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/index.cfm?page=1373 -- Rgds JTD

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 16 Sep '06

16 Sep '06

> > B. To enable the e-governance > > egov works fine even without a single identity. You need one per > department. > and have totally unnecessary duplication of systems and data.. not only will it be costlier, it will also give very little value addition, if some department for industries cannot cross reference your records from other department (law, taxes, whatever) also let us see how practical that is, total number of central government departments == a few hundred avg. number of state government departments == a few hundred (multiply this by number of states) having separate identity per department is like the old 1990's systems in big companies before LDAP.. ie, u had a separate login to each system.. today all major corporations are moving towards single sign-on for different intra company systems.

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 16 Sep '06

16 Sep '06

> This is sure not an academic exercise. > > We MUST design an Open Source Prototype for this and present it to the > potential customer (Government of India?). The complete system should > be practical and economically viable. > I think we need to figure out what this can be used for, before we get into other details. I can think of 2 use cases for such system 1) social or business networking (orkut, linked in types).. a more casual usage in this case, you probably want to keep its contect voluntary and open.. (ie members can put in whatever they want) If I can get your hotmail password or something else based on getting the answer to your secret question (mothers maiden name, date of birth, pets name).. it is your problem. 2) a system used by government .. ie legally binding.. ( in future, maybe other services like credit rating agencies, organizations trying to verify your identiry?).. this is more formal.. its content are deemed to be reliable by everyone.. it could be used by police across the country to track criminals.. in this case, you may keep a read-only access to the publicly avaialable info.. maybe more access to some paid subscribers (potential customers would be someone issuing a credit card, home loan, or a car loan to you and hence trying to do an identity check/credit or criminal history check on you) unique id for a citizen? well.. we dont have any unique ID so far.. US has a social security #, UK has a national Insurance #... maybe this is the major benefit of having such a system in the first place - as it can be a single identity for people having (or not having) various diverse id's .. (passport#, DL#, voter id# (for 18+), PAN# (for the few tax payers)).. why not have some biometric ID to make it really foolproof.. u can confidently say that ram ral, s/o shyam lal, living in pin code 100 020 (and with the given biometric ID details) has id 100 and has no criminal records or bad credit history.. so it is safe to lend money to him.. whereas ram lal s/o manmohan singh has defaulted on that previous loan paid to him.. in fact his current address is tihar jail.. but, then you can only design a technical framework to hold this data, and access/amend it. implementation details such as who enters and keeps on updating data would depend on sarkari babus sitting in the villages who are normally happier to exploit and harass the citizens than in serving them.

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 16 Sep '06

16 Sep '06

> > (as we dont have a proper centralized credit history system in India, and that hurts our economy badly) > It doesnt. i'd suggest you read this story, and then do some research. http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=140179 in summary, credit risk is higher in india for lack of identity and credit history systems. thats why penetration of so many banking products is very low.. poor people are left to borrow money from loan sharks at exhorbitant rates.. when banks lend money to the middle class, they rip us off.. in west, long term (25 yr) home loan rate is usually ~ 1% more than the central bank's base lending rate.. in india the banks (having to account for all the risks), charge much more.. (3-5% more than base rate) > > Pleeease not those two idiotic countries. ...The UK rfid passport (afair) is such a farce > that inspite of grave flaws in the scheme they are going ahead. i presume u r talking of biometric passports, this is actually now the recommended standard by ICAO.. in time, every country WILL HAVE TO move towards it.. just that some countries are more progressive. > The shooting of the south american and raids on apparantely innocent Muslims speak > volumes for conventional physical investigation. lets stick to the topic here, so please explain how some central ID scheme was behind the shooting of the brazilian guy.. ..(in fact, had the officers involved cross confirmed the address/occupant details, it probably would have saved him!) last time i checked, india was lagging far behind these "idiotic" countries on most counts of human rights and development.. forget about security forces in insurgency prone spots, mumbai police alone kills a lot of people every year in "encounters".. in fact there are so many cases, that they arent headlines anymore.. and we dont even notice or care problems at home.. and like to feel good by focusing on ONE guy shot accidently on the day they were having 2nd round of bomb attacks in london. > > Like insurance companies and? do what? they know your credit record, if u have not paid a previous debt, they are perfectly entitled to treat you as a risky customer and charge more... > > What is your concept of perfect e-governance? > > How about Citizens monitoring the government? U dont need any id for that. please elaborate more on how this wonderful idea would work.. > There is no such facility that neccesitates an id. Provide one example. (i already had.. but, since u didnt get it.. let me elaborate) First example is actually related to privacy... to access only the online data/files that I am allowed to access.. e.g. I should be able to and restricted to see a property/revenue/PF record that I am entitled to see (that has my ID as an owner).. but not YOUR property records.. if we want a "real" e-governance, where we can have online access to government files, we would need some ID to implement access control. Also, the ID can be used to submit ANY "signed" document/form/application that you may have to submit manually to a government office.. like we already have in the case of electronic tax return filing.. we could have electronic forms to report a crime, track progress.. initiate court cases.. vehicle registrations/taxes.. land/property deeds, queries/forms for pensions/provident funds... electoral rolls.. whatever u ever need a government for.. a sample of such services available to citizens of some other countries is : http://www.direct.gov.uk/Homepage/fs/en e.g, you can setup a company online in 10 minutes, and you can do ALL taxes - personal income tax, excise, customs, company tax, VAT, road tax, online.. u can even request your local council to repair a road or streetlamp online.. a gvoernment website/portal effectively becomes a services counter of a government department.. > > Oh, so the next time you go to a doctor, your identity is established by > using this card. Then the insurance comany uses the same primary key. > Then you file your tax returns. you are totally missing the point. Even if we ASSUME for a minute that that a doctor really NEEDS to verify your identity before he treats you, (since when are u having the fever? and whats your national ID? ohh your ID is 1002356? then u must have malaria) .. why does he NEED to include the fact that you had malaria on sep 14 at 2pm to THIS database? why does a doctor even need to have a write access to the CIS system? medical records have no place in a CIS.. > Oh, the threat isn't CIS itself. The threat is the creation of a primary key to identify a person everywhere. threat? yes, to the terrorists and illegal immigrants.. > Losing freedom, one bit at a time. The US and UK are good examples of repression today, not freedom. > again, thats just your view, and can be debated.. (e.g. movies, books and artists are not banned in US and UK just to have a political censorship on things that a government doesnt like) .. anyways, lets chose some other western countries....how about scandinavian countries?.. would you agree that they have a better governance than India?.. > Erm, there are no such restrictions. Also, these companies do not even > claim to maintain records properly. Have you even heard the horror > stories of people whose credit has been ruined because of identity > theft, or errors in these databases? yes, i do personally know of some such cases with my friends.. in all of them, the affected person hadnt really committed any credit fraud, (problems with a cheque, identity theft victim) .. it was straightforward to sort any problems with credit history.. if a bank or a company marks you as a credit defaulter for wrong reasons, it is that organization's responsiblity to sort it out.. you have mechanisms and safeguards in place.. on the other hand, by having credit histories, they have easier and cheaper access to financial products like mortgages. > Digital signatures would work fine, even though the government mandates a socially broken implementation. nice idea... ever heard of term "trusted CA".. and wondered what they are, why they are needed?.. > I don't know about you, but I do deal with people involved with this > stuff as part of my job. I can tell you that what you are saying is > bullshit, and it does exactly the reverse. vow! that is such a convincing argument! ;-) > It encourages identity theft, > credit fraud (against merchants rather than banks/CC companies), does > nothing for government services ... Although u havent explained how.. by your logic, having PAN numbers (which is a step towards a common ID for all taxpayers) was a bad idea, and actually increased black money circulation in our country? remember the first step to prevent money laundering if for banks to "know their customers" (i recommend you read about it) think harder, more carefully and without being paranoid before u call my ideas bullshit..

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Harvard study says Linux will remain second best
by Sujeet Bhatt 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

A Harvard Study which uses formal economic modelling to determine "Will OSS ever displace traditional software from its market leadership position?" came to a (not so?) surprising result. Linux is likely to remain second best as long as Microsoft has a first mover advantage. http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/4834.html

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

> > Yes, I do have things to hide. Nothing illegal, just personal stuff. can you give some specific examples of general identity data SUITABLE FOR such a system that someone may want to hide? So far, you have NOT given specific examples to explain the reason for being paranoid about this. If you don't have anything to hide, why don't you put out your medical > history, your financial information.....? I dont see how medical history is suitable for any such database.. (unless we are a nation full of 'sick' people ;-) ).. AGAIN, this CANNOT be a SECRET FILE ON EVERY DETAIL OF EVERY CITIZEN. Even for financial information, the only thing useful for CIS to keep (or help keep) would be some sort of credit history record, (as we dont have a proper centralized credit history system in India, and that hurts our economy badly) Would you be willing to be > searched randomly, because only those who have something to hide will > opposed such searches? If it is a system used to prove my credentials and credit/criminal past.. why not?.. In fact they already use such systems in UK/US etc.. You guys are forgetting that not all such information needs to be publicly available.. In the west, credit history systems CHARGE MONEY for each query that you make. Also, their are proper restrictions on their usage. If you have so much time and money that you can buy a subscription to the "full access" (meant to be for organizations like banks and police etc)... just to randomly search for details of other people.. . yes, go ahead.. Think not of how it impacts criminals, but how it impacts the innocent. by that logic, we shouldnt search air travellers before boarding the plane... 99.99% of the time, it mostly affects the innocent ... right? What is your concept of perfect e-governance? That you can download and print the forms at home, and then queue up at the government office? Or do you want to be able to submit them online too? How do you propose to implement identity verification for any such facility requiring "authorized access"? Why dont you suggest an alternative system that we can compare against? Remember, such systems are already in place in many countries. The society in these countries is doing just fine. It helps prevent identity theft, money laundering, tracks credit frauds, promotes easy financing, easy access to a lot of government services.. etc etc etc.

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Ilug-bom wiki
by Anurag 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

Hello, If anyone from this list has recently written a good tutorial and is looking for place to publish it, then please post it at our wiki. It has mostly been an unused resource till now. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

> Citizen Information System sounds like it provides information TO citizens. > Instead, it provides information ABOUT citizens. Yes, we should also think of a framework which makes it convinient for a government department to provide its services online to citizens. (there are many such CMS tools, a multilingual one can easily be adopted) However, depending on the kind of service, the access may need to be authorized. 1) Viewing tendors, notifications, documents - open access 2) submitting forms online etc - authorized access. To effectively handle the 2nd kind of service, a centralized system can be useful. (another potential use of CIS) > May I recommend Nineteen Eighty-Four? While you are at it, Brave New > World, Farenheit 451, Animal Farm, Lord of the Flies, The rise and fall > of the Third Reich are also good to read. Many developed countries already have such unique ID systems.. and they are nothing like the big brother society discussed in Nineteen Eighty-Four.. you cannot get to that situation in a democracy of billion plus people.. > Modification of the data can render your identity pretty useless. > Merely reading that data and correlating it across databases can cause > serious havoc. Identity theft isn't a mere buzzword. > I can understand your concerns, identity theft is indeed a serious problem in the west. Identity theft can always occur, with or without such a database.. and it depends on the checks being used to identify a person.. EVEN now, if I get a driving license with the name of Devdas Bhagat by paying a bribe at the RTO, I can use it to travel in your name.. open a bank account... etc etc. Which is why if such a database can store some biometric information.. (pictures, fingerprints for example).. it will, in fact, serve to minimize any identity theft.. if an organization still relies solely on publicly available data (address, age etc) to identify you, they are being foolish.. this is NOT the fault of the database. Still, we have to be very careful about classifying A) what data needs to be private, accessable to tax/law authorities only (financial data, things that can be mis-used) B) what MAY be made public (perhaps depending on the preference of the citizen) .. address/contact/family details.. ? C) what NEEDS TO be made available, perhaps some of it to specific agencies only, and not the public directly (loan defaults... criminal records? although one can argue that it can unnecessarily prejudice people against a "reformed" criminal ?) I am not sure if our existing cyber-crime laws address issues related to identity theft, privacy and data protection... anyways, the point is -- such a system could be very useful, of course, we would need to have the adequete safegaurds in place to prevent any misuse .. but that doesnt mean that u stop thinking about developing such a system, it merely means that u think even harder and try to plug any potential loopholes in the scheme. > About the only way your proposal could work would be if the idea of > privacy is completely destroyed. No one has any privacy, and the > database is fully accessible to everyone all the time. The only > private thing you would possess would be your thoughts. I think you are over-estimating the power of such a database.. it would be very difficult to store ALL the details of a billion people and still make it easily searchanble and useful.. So, such a database can only ever have a very few details.. (storing fingerprint/pics itself could take a lot of space) i can probably learn more about your thoughts from reading all your posts to this forum (publicly available) than by getting a few other details from a database (sex, age, ID, educational qualifications)... I cannot do anything extra with it, that i cannot do now... unless, you have stored all your credit card details on your hotmail account, and your secret question in case of forgotten passwords is your age, and your age was a best-kept secret until this CIS database went live. that would be like carrying a paper with all your PIN witten inside your wallet! u dont start arguing for a 23 different PIN based ATM system from your bank.. it only invades your privacy if you had something to hide ... you were an illegal immigrant from Bangaladesh, a terrorist who has sneaked into india and doesnt have a proper ID.. you had taken a huge loan from a bank in nagaland and had disappeared, you had a criminal past.. you are a middle aged woman who keeps on claiming she is only 26.. you were a married guy fooling around with a girl .. (if marital status/age are chosen to be "public" details)

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Re: new idea, screen reader for KDE desktop, Reminder for 16th. meet
by krishnakant Mane 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

hello, Please be at HBCSE on 16th. sep that is tomorrow. the meeting is at 5 in the evening. I had posted the ajenda in my previous email. thanking all. Krishnakant.

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Maximum volume on OpenSuse 10.1
by Nadeem M. Khan 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

Hi. Following the suggestions given by list members, I installed OpenSuse 10.1 on my HP Compaq v5000 laptop. Everything is detected nicely. Just one major problem. I am not able to get maximum volume whem I play music. All sliders on alsamixer and the speaker volume applet on the desktop next to the clock are set to maximum, but the the sound plays at say 50% of the max. Any suggestions? Its a built in Intel soundcard with Altec Lansing speakers. Regards, NMK.

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Re: Link to GPLv3 audio and video (dead link?), RMS public lecture Audio / Video CD?
by Roshan 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

> > "...Microsoft Windows is a spyware ...(Windows > XP)" > > May i know who was it that said this? RMS. He's said this because, either he has discovered it or someone has told him. You weren't there at the lecture? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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migrating thunderbird from windoze 2000 to linux
by Kenneth Gonsalves 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

hi, i saw a thread on this in the archives which says just copy the folders across. But i searched doze and couldnt find the folders. Where does thunderbird store the mail, profiles etc? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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Thunderbird has lost its thunder.
by Rony 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

Hello All, I got Mandriva 2006 and while everything is fine, since many days I notice that whenever I use thunderbird, it shows a lot of HDD activity and opening new messages and moving to the next ones is too slow, as the HDD shows busy activity. The /log/messages show the following report below as the activity takes place. I even downgraded from Thunderbird 1.5 to 1.0.6 but still same problem. Browsing is no problem. I even uninstalled clamv in case it was scanning mail but still same problem. Has my system got a linix based spyware? ( Calm down guys! ) What is the net activity below? I have set the mailbox to manual mail download only. Below is the log. Is this anything to do with the reiserfs? Sep 8 22:01:26 mandrake06 kernel: Shorewall:net2all:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.2 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=198 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=39 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=631 DPT=631 LEN=178 Sep 8 22:01:57 mandrake06 kernel: Shorewall:net2all:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.2 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=198 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=40 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=631 DPT=631 LEN=178 Sep 8 22:02:31 mandrake06 kernel: Shorewall:net2all:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.2 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=198 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=41 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=631 DPT=631 LEN=178 Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Dinesh Shah 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

Hi All, This is a proposal based on the idea 1st proposed by Rony and discussed on the list. This is very important and useful idea and we must develop this idea further by the FOSS process of collective wisdom. Here is the out-line. I will put more info over a period of time. Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model Today India faces a serious challenge of identifying her citizens and her citizens have to struggle to establish their positive identities. Due to the lack of unique and verified/verifiable citizen identity the State has to face the challenges of internal and external security, leakage in revenues and wasteful expenditures, improper and/or inappropriate planing for the welfare of her citizens. At the same time, due to the lack of unique, verifiable an positive identity citizens have to cope with acquiring and managing and establishing his or her identity which leads to waste of valuable resources and seriously hampers his/her rights to enjoy the state welfare schemes and plans and impair him/her in carry out his/her duties. An unique and verifiable identity can help the country in - Securing her citizens for internal and external threats - Secure proper revenue collections and control expenditures - Can make the citizen welfare plans more effective - Can improve the law and order in the country - Can empower her citizens to enjoy their democratic rights and help Carry out their duties. An unique and verifiable identity can help the citizens in - Enjoying their constitutional and democratic rights - Empower them to fulfill their duties - Help them fully enjoy the ownership of movable and immovable properties - Reduction / elimination of harassment by various authorities - Improved state provided security - Better rewards from the country's citizen welfare plans Considering the tremendous advantages of the Citizen Identification/Information System (CIS), I would like to propose a FOSS model for developing and implementing such a system. In this paper I will propose and develop this idea in the FOSS spirit where people for all walks of life can participate in - Formulating such an Open System - Discussing social, economical and legal aspect of the CIS - Discussing implementation and management aspects of the CIS - Discussing technological details of the CIS Your feedback as usual is most welcome. With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-)

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Re: new idea, screen reader for KDE desktop
by Roshan 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

>So why not > meet at an open place like some garden? Wouldn't that require new members to be introduced to the existing members? Or would there be a sign-post that would tell where the GLUG members are actually discussing? :-? > > 16th is a Saturday, so could the timings be after > > 5:30 pm in the evening? > > Oh dear that would prevent me from attending. sunday > is all i have :-( I think the date is tentative. Not many from the list have replied. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: new idea, screen reader for KDE desktop
by Roshan 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

> > BTW when and where is the lug meet being held? > > We have no agenda for the meet as yet. Should we all > meet on 16th > itself at HBCSE? 16th is a Saturday, so could the timings be after 5:30 pm in the evening? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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new idea, screen reader for KDE desktop
by krishnakant Mane 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

hello, with a lot of accessibility related talk going out on this list, I just discovered that some thing is yet to be done. there is a big hole in the accessibility of gnu/linux desktop. while the gnome desktop is getting more and more accessible slowly, there is nothing but an un organised start made on the k desktop side. there is a speach front end for the k desktop it is called ktts. the link was given to me by roni it is http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/kttsd/index.php if any one want to have a look. so we will not be re inventing the wheal but use the wheal to build up a car. + we have the engine of the car also. I am refering to festival speach synthesizer. the mattter of fact is that it will be easiest to convert blind computer users to k desktop and thus linux, if we can provide a good screen reader. there are applications on the k desktop which make transition from windows to gnu/linux much easy as compared to gnome. and then the programmers or any one interested can be gathered together for this kind of an organisation. and the finansial aspect is that we can earn by providing this service to blind people. they can and will happily give out a few thousand rs for this service as compared to rs. 80000 + for some screen reader on windows. thanks all waiting for feedback. Krishnakant.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] make menuconfig for kernel does not work in ubuntu.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

> it is giving so many errors that I can't even post on this list. > what could be the problem? Could you post the errors verbatim? > am I missing some packages on my ubuntu 6.06 server? > I have the build-esssential package installed which probably has > installed glib libc 6 etc along with gcc 4 and make. > now I want to knwo what else is remaining? > it appears to me that even ncursis is also installed although I am not > quite sure of the same. I think the curses-devel package is also necessary. Please check if you have that or not. Cheerio, Debarshi -- It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose. - Darrin Weinberg

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Re: [OT] [Caution] For Windows users on this list.
by Roshan 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

> Do you know how much time it actually takes to start > a live CD on a P4 with > 128 MB RAM? my reply has little relevance to the topic, but I would like to share this information. It is approximately 7 minutes for the GNOME desktop to load on my P4 248 MB (256 -8 Video Memory) using Ubuntu 6.06 Live CD / and KDE on Kubuntu 6.06 Live Cd. (right from *Boot from Cd...* till the final screen of stability, where the mouse moves smoothly) >Who is going to go through the pain > (read time) required to boot > a live CD, then setup networking and what not, just > to check email? I agree...30 minutes...20 Rupees!! :-? > And plus, there are things like CMOS password and > administrator privileges > which make it very difficult for you to do that. Not so common in Cyber cafe's afaik. Possibility in College Computer Labs. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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FOSS elective textbook
by Kenneth Gonsalves 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

Hi, As you all know Anna University has offered two FOSS elective subjects in the engineering and MCA streams. The syllabi for this has been drafted by NRC-FOSS and the textbook on elective 1 has been published. We are now writing the text book on elective 2. The draft of what is done so far is on our wiki here: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/FossElectiveTwoBook Please go through what has been done and add your contributions: 1. Correct spelling 2. Correct code errors 3. Add examples and explanations In any place where there is a heading and no text, feel free to add text. please mark your corrections and add your name also, you will be credited in the book if you do so. You do not need to log in to edit the wiki. Please help us make the text book a great success. And dont crib later if you didnt help now. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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make menuconfig for kernel does not work in ubuntu.
by krishnakant Mane 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

hello all, just a few minutes back I tried to compile a kernel by using make menuconfig. it is giving so many errors that I can't even post on this list. what could be the problem? am I missing some packages on my ubuntu 6.06 server? I have the build-esssential package installed which probably has installed glib libc 6 etc along with gcc 4 and make. now I want to knwo what else is remaining? it appears to me that even ncursis is also installed although I am not quite sure of the same. I have linux2.6.16.18 kernel source which I downloaded from kernel.org since I needed a vanila kernel. any suggestions? Krishnakant.

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pam_tally & idle or inactivity close's the session
by ryan coelho 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

Hi Friends, Any one here has an idea on configuring pam_tally. I want that the user account should be locked after 3 tries and automatically reset after an hour . Another request whenever the session is idle or inactive the session should automatically close. Please help I need to configure this. Thanks & Regards Ryan Coelho.

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[OT] [Caution] For Windows users on this list.
by Rony 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Hello All, I use this email id only for ILUG list messages and since some time I get a lot of spam in my mailbox. Other users too may be facing the same problem so those who use windows for checking list mails, please scan your computers for viruses, spyware or mallware. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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video recording on ubuntu
by Abhishek Daga 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Aim: To be able to record video on Ubuntu. Apparatus: a) China make Wireless camera and receiver. b) Receiver A/V can directly be plugged into a VCR (or any recording device). c) However, I would like to record on the PC. Currently running Ubuntu Dapper Drake. d) Have an external TV tuner Card. The receiver can be plugged in here. Procedure? I didnt see any relevant software in ubuntu that will allow me to do this. Anyone worked with this setup before? Any ideas how I can achieve this? Thanks abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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FSF Certified Trainer
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Hi, I am currently undergoing training for my company in Coimbatore. We have many courses to complete in the two month period, one of them labeled as "Linux". That course happened yesterday. It was something really new for me as I got to know some very new things about GNU/Linux Systems: => Stallman and Linus came together to make Linux => Linus was developing on Minix and then he had an idea to create Linux, which he shared with others on a mailing list and all of them started working on Linux together (rather than him announcing the first prototype on usenet). => The default Linux installation is as a server attached to dumb terminals. => The shell, etc for Linux was created after the kernel. => The default is only console. If you want GUI with Unix, you need to *buy* X-Windows. => symlinks are exactly like windows shortcuts and much more. My point is not to make fun of the professor as I believe many do not really even make an attempt to understand the history of anything, leave alone GNU/Linux. That said, trainers and teachers should be fairly accurate in all that they give to their audience. All I said above doesn't simply apply to the trainer I experienced yesterday. Everyone using GNU/Linux in the mainstream only know that they're using "Linux" and that it's simply another Unix that can be only used in servers. It actually reminds me of a comment by a very senior person in my firm -- "Linux? Why? Doesn't it require, like, expensive hardware or something?" Is it possible for FSF to take some initiative in starting a Training Certification program which will ensure that the trainers themselves are well trained? FSF would be the best choice to design such a course as it would more or less ensure that the trainer training is not Distro-centric. I understand deficiency of funds would be the first problem though. Regards, Siddhesh PS: Please don't ask or guess the company name here; I don't want that to be publicized on list. -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk http://siddhesh.phpnet.us

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10 common misunderstandings about the GPL
by പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Hi, IT Manger's journal has an article about 10 common misunderstandings about the GPL which you can read here http://www.itmanagersjournal.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/21/1659203 The experts NewsForge consulted to come up with this are: Richard Fontana, a lawyer with the Software Freedom Law Center and one of the main drafters of the third version of the license; David Turner, former compliance engineer at the Free Software Foundation who is assisting with the revisions of the license; and Harald Welte of the GPL-Violations project<http://gpl-violations.org/>, which tracks possible cases of non-compliance and tries to assist in resolving them. <quote>In the end, Turner concedes, some degree of confusion is probably inescapable. "There's always going to be people who misunderstand," he says, "no matter how you write the license, even in words of one syllable." </quote> Regards Praveen -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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Problem Installing Red Hat 9.0 on Sata Hard disk
by hemendra jain 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Dear Iluggers, PC configuration : P4 3.06GHz with 915 intel original motherboard of 102GCc type with 512MB RAM and 80GB SATA hard disk I'm trying to install Red Hat Linux 9.0 when Im inserting the bootable linux cd i get this warning..... "no hard drives have been found.You probably need to manually choose device drivers for the installation to succeed.Would u like to select drivers now? YES NO if YES then it goes into asking for the driver if NO then it goes on with linux installation aftr selection of mouse it asks for manually or automatic partition to which i select manually with disk druid to which i get the warning as "An error has occured-----no valid devices were found on which to create new file systems.Please check your hardware for the cause of this problem..." Rgds, Hemendra Jain

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Resizing NTFS with GParted
by Nadeem M. Khan 10 Sep '06

10 Sep '06

Hi. I have a 100 gig drive on my notebook. 85 gigs is ntfs, remaining space is used by the recovery partition (fat). I need to resize the ntfs partition to about 40 gigs and install linux on the remaining 40. I burned a live cd of gparted and booted from it, but it shows an exclamataion mark next to the ntfs partition. "Cannot read contents of this filesystem. Only limited functions available." I cannot shrink it any further than 8 MB. Gparted allows me to shrink the recovery partition (fat) without issues. Any ideas? Any alternatives to gparted with better ntfs support? Regards, NMK.

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initialising a file at bootup
by Pradnyesh Sawant 10 Sep '06

10 Sep '06

hello, there is a file in /proc which i want to initialise to a particular value at bootup (i have root access to the concerned system); googling suggests that i should do it using a startup script. is the script being referred to "/etc/inittab"? is there any other script file which i can use for this purpose? if there is, then what might be the pros and cons of using that script file over inittab? -- warm regards, Pradnyesh Sawant -- More important than what i am, is what i want to be! --Dumbledore to Harry in HP2

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Suitable distro for an old computer?
by Mrugesh Karnik 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

Hi, My neighbour is sick of his Windows 98 and now wants Linux on his desktop machine too, after using Kubuntu on his laptop. His is an old P3 566MHz computer with 96MB RAM. He needs to play videos, mplayer will do. For music, I need suggestions for a lightweight mp3 player. He needs something WinAmp-ish. Amarok, he loves, but its too heavy. I hate xmms and I heard bmp is not being developed these days.. I'm thinking about trying out XFCE and if it seems heavy, Fluxbox will be the default. Now the question about the distro arises, because I need all the above mentioned packages in the repository of that particular distro. Also, the packages need to be compiled for i686 rather than pentium4, like Fedora is these days, if i'm not mistaken.. Should I try out Xubuntu? Or do you have suggestions for some other distro? -- ---------------------------------------- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net ----------------------------------------

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[OT] Local cddb service
by Nachiketa Sadhu 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

Hi, Can I have a local CDDB server without installing the about 3GB database of free cddb data? I want a local server to serve only my group of computers, and have the data for my collection of CDs. I have nothing against freecddb, but have problem accessing it through institute proxy from some applications. A how-to or a pointer will be very helpful. Thanks and regards. N. Sadhu -- Thanks and regards. N. Sadhu

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Re: Re: Re: Directional Radio Signposts. (Anurag)
by Vic Cris 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

Anurag said: > > Rony wrote: > > > > I was looking for working solutions and found that > some one else too has > > thought of this technique in a similar way. > > > > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4654573.html > > > haha! your plans of world domination is trashed now If anyone on the list contributing ideas on world domination would like to meet informally this afternoon, we are getting together at HBCSE at 5 pm - this is in advance of the formal meeting set for the 16th, which I will not be able to attend. -- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by hemendra jain 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

Dear Rony, >Nowadays wireless device frequencies are in GHz. so that should be >ideal to build a mini pocket size parabolic antenna for directional >reception. What type of assistance are you looking at? To begin any project, a lot of details regarding the technical and management aspects have to be resolved. And so the project requires people with similar exp. to form a team. Things could start taking shape once the team is formed. So, we require to forma team first. Count me in. Rgds, Hemendra Jain

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NTFS read/write support in Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 NTFS-3G is a driver which provides read/write support for NTFS in 32-bit Linux systems. It has FUSE as a dependency. However I have not tried it personally so can not vouch on the results. Cheerio, Debarshi -- It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose. - Darrin Weinberg

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porting of ie specific code to firefox
by Trevor Warren 06 Sep '06

06 Sep '06

Hello Guys/Gals, One of me colleagues at work just called to check if i had a solution on an IE to firefox porting issue. Glad to know that commercial applns are now being forced the firefox way..:D. Will mention the challenge in brief : > 35000 html pages > javascript written for IE > DOM based on IE What would be the best way for me to port this IE based application to firefox such that we can use it from Linux as well as MS???. Are there any automated tools/parsers that i can make use of??. Secondly, the other through process i had in mind was...if the first part isnt feasible can we build plugin the IE javas script and DOM model support into firefox as a plugin. This sounds ambitious but am just trying to explore some options out here where none seem to exist. Thanks in advance guys. Trevor -- ___________________________________ ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| An eye for an eye will soon turn the world blind - MKG "You cannot see me, yet I am the light you see by. You cannot hear me, yet I speak through your voice. You cannot feel me, yet I am the power at work in your hands. I am at work, though you do not understand my ways. I am not strange visions. I am not mysteries. Only in absolute stillness, beyond self, can you know me as I am, and then but as a feeling and a faith. Yet I am here. Yet I hear. Yet I answer. -anon "

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] pirates of silicon valley
by Vic Cris 06 Sep '06

06 Sep '06

> > From: "Trevor Warren" <trevorwarren(a)gmail.com> > Guys, Glad you used this appellation - the movie has insights on some of our 'icons' that are truly reprehensible behaviour re the women in their lives. > > Just checked out this movie which most of you are > familiar with called, > "Pirates of Silicon Valley". Its a must see for > those who wanna know the > truth behind the so called icons of Silicon Valley. > Gory Stuff!!!!. Not sure about the truth - but it is an eye-opener for sure. And the actors they chose not only play the roles brilliantly but actually look a lot like the real persons. What a fabulous job! Everyone in IT should see this film. > Anyone who would like to get this pls drop me an > email offline. And > anyone who has movies/documentaries worth a look(& > grab) please drop me a > line too!!!. Is this FOSS with a difference? But while on the offtopic, a posting from the FOSS evangelist in Pakistan (Fouad Riaz Bazwa) on another list talks about a new DRM movement that will make 'lending' and 'copying' of multimedia titles for personal consumption less contentious and illegal. --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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pirates of silicon valley [offtopic]
by Trevor Warren 05 Sep '06

05 Sep '06

Guys, Just checked out this movie which most of you are familiar with called, "Pirates of Silicon Valley". Its a must see for those who wanna know the truth behind the so called icons of Silicon Valley. Gory Stuff!!!!. Anyone who would like to get this pls drop me an email offline. And anyone who has movies/documentaries worth a look(& grab) please drop me a line too!!!. Thanks and Regards. Trevor -- ___________________________________ ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| An eye for an eye will soon turn the world blind - MKG "You cannot see me, yet I am the light you see by. You cannot hear me, yet I speak through your voice. You cannot feel me, yet I am the power at work in your hands. I am at work, though you do not understand my ways. I am not strange visions. I am not mysteries. Only in absolute stillness, beyond self, can you know me as I am, and then but as a feeling and a faith. Yet I am here. Yet I hear. Yet I answer. -anon "

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Why Free Software won't work in the mainstream
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

Hi, There's an article in The Times of India (page 23, "No Free lunches for me") by Charles Assisi, who describes himself as "A socialist turned capitalist". He makes an argument about why Free Software will not work in the mainstream market. His argument is that if he writes something and gives it away to a community, the community is free to improve it and distribute it. But at the same time, he stands to lose his livelihood as he becomes a disposable commodity in the face of the hundreds in the community. He also cites an example made by RMS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman , just in case ;) ), wherein he had stated that if one doesn't buy a car when he can't open its hood, the same should apply for software too. If one buys software but is not allowed to modify it, improve it then it's simply not enough. Charles says that while that is true in principle, the comparison cannot be made between the two very different industries. The difference here is that while car mechanics may tinker around with cars to repair/enhance them, they simply cannot build one themselves. The same is not true for software as a collective can modify the software beyond recognition. Also, it doesn't increase cost to replicate the software as it does in case of cars, hence in the car industry there is no case for "stealing livelihood" if one could call it that. Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk http://siddhesh.phpnet.us

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[Commercial] Content Filtering Internet Proxy
by Sachin Purohit 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

Dear all, Since this group is all about sharing Linux based applications, I would like to bring to your attention a Linux based content filtering Internet proxy software - SafeSquid. A FREE version is available. SafeSquid is the first INDIAN software product that is being used around the world (85% of the users are US and UK based). It has been developed by Office Efficiencies (India) Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai. SafeSquid, arguably, is the world's most feature-rich proxy server. Following, in brief, are it's features - - Browser based GUI Interface - Cluster friendly - A multi-tier, md5-encrypted, totally manageable cache - Supports ICP & CARP - Request forwarding - Transparent Proxying - Reverse Proxying - Secure Web Servers - Provides simultaneous virus scanning at the gateway using any number of Antivirus softwares of your choice - Generate virus signatures on-the-fly for undetected viruses while you wait for updates - Ready-to-use connectivity to ICAP Servers, the latest in Antivirus Technology - Built-in connectivity to PAM - Authenticate users from ADS, POP3, Radius, MySQL Database, Flat File Database, etc. - Bandwidth Management based on Users, Time, Web Sites or a combination of all - Block web-sites using URL Blacklist, DNS Blacklist, MySQL Database, Category DNS and the database-independent - Weighed Keyword Scoring Method - Filter unwanted contents like ActiveX Controls and Java Scripts from unknown sites (Ads, Banners, Pop-ups, spy wares, etc.) - Prevent access / downloads based on MiMe type - Prevent users from logging into unwanted sites - Cookie Filter - Increase enterprise privacy - Header Filter - Prevent access to applications like chat & IM - User Agent based access control - Generates log reports in Firewall and Squid format compatible with many open source and paid Log Analysers like Sarg, Calamaris, Squint, Webalizer, Sawmill, SquidTaild, etc. A FREE version with limited features for non-profit / non-commercial organisations, is available for download at http://downloads.safesquid.net You need to register on the SafeSquid Forum (free) at http://www.safesquid.com/html You can use the forum's username and password to access the download site. Fully functional trial versions, with limited time period, are also available.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Directional Radio Signposts.
by VKB 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

Friends, warning: longish email I share my thoughts-in-context with all of you, partly at the risk of making it non-relevant to the gnu/linux/tech kind of focus of this forum. If so, please excuse my articulation and/or intrusion. Thanks to Krishnakant, jtd and Dinesh, besides many others, who have/are contributing to this thread. I have been working with electronics and IT for over two decades and feel that jtd's comments reflect a great deal of practicality and real-life experience. Thanks jtd for your time and mindshare on this and to this forum :-) More of my thoughts in context... Perhaps the focus may be (partly) redefined if were to reword "digital assistance" in Dinesh's well summarized metrics, to "viable assistance", "digital" should be a subset of "viable" if/when/where found relevant and useful. Real-life is analogue (not digital ;-) Can we request or work towards getting local authorities and/or sponsors to install hand/guide rails (say some 4 feet tall and 6 feet long) say within the first 18 feet of each street of each intersection ? (numbers are indicative and can be redefined to some agreed and conformable standard). These rails would typically located at the edge of the kerb/footpath. No rocket science here... it is common to see such railings at various intersections and places, installed at various times, by various local authorities, mostly with the intention of attempting to guide pedestrian traffic. Now to make the difference and add value : 1. The guide rail size/proportions must be standardized, consistent or predictable (say within one or two flavours of sizes). 2. These guide rails to be embossed with markings (braille or otherwise recongisable by the visually impaired). 3. The embossing may be on the under-side of the rail or upper side or whatever outdoor-egronomics for such a purpose recommend. 4. The exact embossing patterns/style should be defined and guided by recognised/specialist agencies who work in the domains for the visually impaired. 5. For those who are not visually impaired, these "embossed guidance" rails are colour coded/painted with the colour scheme which is akin to the classic red-white-blind-person-stick scheme. This will easily convey to the sighted persons that these guide rails serve a special/additional purpose for the visually impaired. 6. If this kind of deployment can happen with some volumes that make a difference to society, then at this stage, we have in effect something that already delivers some greater value and conforms to the KISS principle.... * low-tech * little or no maintenance, * easily installed * represents incremental costs over what local authorities already (are supposed to) do in (m)any case. 7. If we are unable to make this much happen, more technology and/or non-KISS schemes will find it even more difficult to be widely adopted and to become viable and succeed. 8. When the creation (or upgradation of existing) guide rails happen, figure how to drive towards ensuring that those making these also make provisions for electric/energy supply and a small weather proof contaner (like at traffic signals but much smaller I hope) 9. Stage one gadget, FM broadcast device, fixed frequency, emits predetermined beep/pattern signal to only indicate presence of sign-post-guide-rail for a short radius of say 10-20 feet. 10. Alternate/stage two gadget, FM broadcast device, fixed frequency, emits pre-recorded voice guidance signal, indicates presence of sign-post-guide-rail, and tells you few more words about the area... 8. Based off this infrastructure, redploy whatever guidance systems that are catalysed partly by all the discussions that have happened in this context on this forum, further tempered by whatever resources and political-will and technology can/will permit. 9. Caveat 1: I do not know if any such schemes already exist or are in use, (The Lord has been kind to me in that I do not have any known physical impairment, and thus have not studied or dwelled much on these kind of needs or domains). 11. Caveat 2: If this embossed guide rail (iron tubes and cement masonry) solution is the way to take off, probably this conversation may not have a place on this forum, Thanks for your time. vkb On 03/9/06, <dineshah(a)gmail.com> wrote: <snip> The project is to provide digital assistance to visually disabled person digital locational and guidance system. The system should be simple to implement. it should be low cost. is simple to use. should be maintenance free should be expandable? should be commercially viable? </snip>

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[job] LAMP developers for tutorvista.com
by PV Sundarram 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Directional Radio Signposts.
by Vic Cris 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

> > From: jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> > Use a gprs / cdma cell phone. You can never hope in > hell to get a > better price, availability and service which would > be the exact > opposit of any custom 802.11 device which a person > has to carry > merely to find dirctions that he may require > occasionally. Devilish thought. I can just see thousands of liberated visually handicapped people roaming free in the city - and becoming totally helpless the next time some babu decides to shut down cell services because some cop discovers there is a village in Maharashtra named Pakistan Pada, and they fear a riot. Essentially, any switch-based service is at the mercy of a central controller. I don't know how the wifi/rfid concept will pan out, but it has the enormous advantage of being unstoppable. I do believe we are debating new ideas, not old ideas in a new wrapping. --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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oops in Dapper at shutdown
by Mohan Nayaka 03 Sep '06

03 Sep '06

Hi all I got an oops recently when shutdown my machine. As I remember perhaps gaim was running at that time. I am running Dapper (i386). uname -a gives: Linux ZION 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux Please advise if i should report this to linux-kernel. If so, please suggest a good email service provider to use for the purpose. I do not wish to use gmail for that. Leaks too much personal info. I have uploaded the oops at : http://mohansn.blogspot.com/2006/09/oops-in-dapper-at-shutdown.html Regards, Mohan S N -- "The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne, the' assay so hard, so sharp the conqueryinge" -- Geoffrey Chaucer

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Directional Radio Signposts.
by Vic Cris 03 Sep '06

03 Sep '06

> > From: "krishnakant Mane" <researchbase(a)gmail.com> > I am not claiming here that this is the > perfect solution. Please do not stop this discussion here, but I have started a focused mailing list "abletools(a)googlegroups.com" whose archives are public, with five members, four from this list and one from india-gii. We are pooling resources and want as many as possible who are interested to contribute in any way to come in and be a part of this. So please do sign up there and add your ideas and doubts too - a well argued idea is better. And hopefully the meeting at HBCSE on the 16th will bring out even more, but please keep the flow going. --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Loss of memory on just installation of RedHat 9 / Fedora Core 3
by Philip Tellis 02 Sep '06

02 Sep '06

Sometime on Aug 25, rc cobbled together some glyphs to say: > Then monitor the memory usage , you will find that your > memory is just utilized without starting any services . it's not. run free and see exactly where your memory is being allocated. remember that there's no point having 'free memory'. if your memory is unused, then you bought too much. linux will use up all available memory for buffers and cache and release that when required by an application. -- Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired. -- R. Geis

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Loss of memory on just installation of RedHat 9 / Fedora Core 3
by ryan coelho 02 Sep '06

02 Sep '06

Hi, What I am trying to tell you , is that if you just perform a plain installation of Fedora Core 3 OR RedHat 9 without configuring any services Then monitor the memory usage , you will find that your memory is just utilized without starting any services . This is bad because if you want to insatll this as a server for Oracle / Weblogic / Mail / Postgresql Or any services the application cannot be used for production. Plz Help To solve this issue Regards Ryan Coelho

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Fwd: Response to Charles Assisi's Article
by Nagarjuna G. 02 Sep '06

02 Sep '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nagarjuna G. <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> Date: Sep 1, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Response to Charles Assisi's Article To: toieditorial(a)timesgroup.com Dear Editor, This is in response to the article "No Free Lunches for Me" written by Charles Assisi, Times of India, 31th August 2006. The author is either 'blind' or irresponsible or both. If this article were written by a newbie journalist, I would not have reacted this way, but Charles Assisi is a known name, also because he interwiewed me once or twice. He may be a popular technical writer, he may claim that he was once a socialist now a capitalist, or he was once convinced about free software but not now anymore etc. This style of writing informs some readers that the author has experienced both worlds and then writing with experience. What this journalist lacks, now I realize after reading the article, is a sense of responsible journalism. He is essentially reacting to the decision Kerala Govt is going for free software in place of proprietary software. The only reason that he says free software should not be used is because it is backed by a very good ethical principle of sharing and "nice guys finish last". So this irresponsible journalist is asking people to be bad guys and finish first. If this wasn't the message, what was it? Let me demonstrate how blind this journalist is. First: he assumes that nice guys don't finish. The already successful operating system, the only competitor for the proprietary software today, is the GNU/Linux operating system with a large number of applications for almost every purpose, including computing in Indian languages. If this operating system is not complete, how is this system being used by millions all over the world. Which concept of computing does this operating system does not implement, except possibly viruses, that the system be declared unfinished? The system is not only finished, several millions all over the world use it exclusively. That is not to say that the system is not evolving, it is evolving at a pace that people already began to call it a revolution. The second point of the argument made by the author is that it does not feed programmers, or why would software programmers work for free software without incentive. Again, this is entirely baseless. Save one major company, which other major company does not use or depend their business on free software? If there is no money why did RedHat, Novell, IBM, Sun Microsystems etc. ventured to business by supporting free software. Even the exceptional major company, saved above, is known to use whatever is borrowable from the free software world. True, free software business doesn't happen by selling what is essentially and eminently shareable entity called code. But, people who make money in free software make money by providing various services: making a free software accessible in the form of distributions, helping in installation, customization, maintenance, documentation, training and so on. In the case of propreitary software both the things happen, namely selling what is not sellable, as well as servicing. In free software only one of them is possible. Therefore it is true that one cannot make as much money as one would make with propreitary software. The reason why free software community chose to give up on the additonal profit is due to ethical committment, to live a moral life. A lot of service business in propreitary software also happens by providing service to fix vulnarabilities, such as software viruses, which were fixed by free software by choosing a secure multi-user file system. It is an open question: Why wouldn't a proprietary company doesn't fix a fixable vulnarabilty? It is true that several hackers (not crackers) who contributed to free software were hobbyists and worked out of their free time and without much in expectation. That is because they were intervening in a system that is ridden with evil practices. They are sacrifycing their time to give the world and its people freedom, a better and healthy place to live in future. No freedom movement will win without sacrifice. This jounralist is pleading the Govt and people not to go for free software because good things never win. What a hopeless irresponsible suggestion? He writes: "Take away their incentive to create it and the world will have fewer peices of software to work with." The author assumes that their incentives were taken away, which is a baseless. If you ask the users of proprietary software, who created the application they are using, they will be mum. You ask the same question to the users of free software, they will tell who the original contributors are. Even if they are ignorant, may be they didn't pay attention to it, they can find out by visiting their favourite search engine and will answer in a jiffy. In the case of proprietary software, even if you give them the library and also the Internet, it is very difficult to find out who contributed what. Acknowledgement and maintaining authorship is the real incentive any author, including journalists, would ask for. How many journalists will find their job worthwhile if they were to write articles without their names printed along with the articles. Reporters on the street do not get enough attention, true. But they continue to report with the assumption that one day when they become a known writer they can imprint their name with each article they write. This is the incentive that an author always asked for, which makes each of the authors immortal, for they wish to make their mark in the history. Proprietary software companies don't create any history by masking the code as well as the contributions of millions of programmers who work for them. This is the culture that free software movement is trying to correct in the society, among others. As scientists, we may never publish a paper in a journal if the publisher asks us to be anonymous, or intends ot use another person or company's name instead. The incentive we get is citation, readership, and name, apart from the salary that we draw for our service. Thisculture already exists in the traditional knowledge business, free software business follows and embellishes this tradition. Thus, the author's view that there exists no business model for free software is not true. What is true is, free software does not produce billionaires in half a generation time. Proprietary software was created by converting knoweldge into a commodity. This happened by encoding electronic documents in a format that only their systems can decode. By asking people to pay for decoding these documents for life is unethical lockin policy. This is, by ethical standpoint, an illegal activity, for knowledge doesn't continue transmission by privately locked code. Free software momevent is asking the policy makers, Government bodies all over the world, to correct this mistake too, and that is why we demand for all electronic documents to be in open standards. An unrepairable technology is evil. Proprietary software is unrepairable since the source code is not made public. No 'garages' are possible in this model. But we need garages for software too, since no software can be perfect. Free software is repairable just any system of ideas. Unless people at large participate knowledge does not evolve. If Kerala Govt. took the decision to change their schools to free software, that is a very wise decisiion. We wish that all other governements all over the world follow them to create a better digital world. I would request the editor to publish this response to correct the misunderstanding the article by Charles Assisi would create about free software movement. -- Dr. Nagarjuna G. Scientist, Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Eduation, TIFR, Mumbai Chairman, Free Software Foundation of India, http://www.gnu.org.in/ -- Nagarjuna G. http://www.gnowledge.org/ http://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/Data/Objects/n/nagarjun/viewObject

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Intel D101GGC and FC3
by Samir 01 Sep '06

01 Sep '06

Hi List, Can nebody tell me whether Intel D 101 GGC motherboard works fine with FC3.Ive one new m/c with configuration as following, Intel 3.0 Ghz Processor Ram 1 Gb Intel D 101 GGC Motherboard. But the o/p of the m/c is not satisfactory,also i ve checked Ram on windows m/c its workin g fine. -- Friends are like an treasure,so if you want to become rich in your life make as many friends as possible in the life. Samir.A.Sanghvi [B.E. in EXTC] 9820812842

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[OT] Associate Fellowship
by Roshan 01 Sep '06

01 Sep '06

Hello List, There are two minor questions regarding the Associate Fellowship (general) 1. I have decided to acquire Associate fellowship and be a part of FSF, India. Do I send the Demand Draft through a private courier or do banks offer service of transferring the demand draft directly to FSF, Kerla, India? 2. Which mailing list among the FSF's lists, is populated with users of GLUG's mailing list? I have subscribed to FSF-edu mailing list and it seems there are only two members subscribed to it! (me and Mr. Ajay, from Punjab)? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Embedded Linux Project Idea.
by Rony 01 Sep '06

01 Sep '06

Hello All, This is an idea for those who are into embedded linux systems. The concept is to create wireless internet access in taxis, cars and buses. The options available today are the wireless data cards or mobile phones or FWP phones attached to individual laptops. But what happens when more passengers want to access the net and everyone may not have a data card. So we need a black box that acts as an interface with the phone's ( net service provided by the transporter) usb cable and the network interface of a Wireless AP. I don't know if any ready made phone is available with a direct network interface and a built-in ppp dialer but the simple way out would be to use an old pc or laptop as the interface and share that connection at its ethernet port. However that would make it too bulky and power consuming. The other approach would be to have something like the ADSL modem that is a network interface and a pppoe dialer bundled together. In our black box we need a usb interface that can detect different wireless phones, a pppoe dialer to make a connection and a network interface to connect to the W AP. Everytime the connection breaks, it will automatically redial. The cost of a dialup session for RIL internet is 50p/minute so Rs. 30 for an hour. That amount can be divided among the passengers and they benefit by being online without a data card. Local buses and taxis can use FWP phones and long distance luxury buses, taxis will use mobile phones as the network device. For buses, more phones and devices with W APs can be added as per demand, for better bandwidth. Everyday, the gaps between no signal areas is closing in and we will get almost seamless net access across the travel region. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: Directional Radio Signposts, Meeting fixt on 16th at HBCSE
by krishnakant Mane 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

hello again, I was discussing this matter with Dr. nagarjuna and we have decided to call a meeting with the interested people on 16th sep which is a saturday. the meeting is scheduled to start at 430 pm. I request all the interested people who have emailed on this thread and those who haven't but want to work on this to be present for the meet. see you all, Krishnakant.

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revovering an NTFS Partition
by francis pereira 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

Ahh Freeky , Prevously I had /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 both as NTFS File system . hda1 was Primary and I think hda2 was Primary file system too . I Formatted hda1 to ext3 and now hda2 which was untouched is showing all free space . Is there anyway i can recover hdb2 . Cheers, Francis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by Akshay Mishra 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rony <ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:04:10 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts. hemendra jain wrote: >Nowadays wireless device frequencies are in GHz. so that should be ideal >to build a mini pocket size parabolic antenna for directional reception. >What type of assistance are you looking at? >Regards, >Rony. I have worked on 8051 + RF devices. Good support, good range and the normal whip antennas are fine. Problem with using GPS is (a) lack of detailed maps for India (b) cost An 8051 with RF chip should do the basic processing. Else put in a DSP for more computation and use the 8051 as the front end for communication. You are not looking at a fancy OS on it, right. these RF can be configured for directional transmission by placing a directional antenna at the transmitter end. Akshay

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by hemendra jain 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

Dear Rony, >The main hurdle in this concept is to develop a proper radio system >that has directional accuracy without being too expensive for the >comman man. The idea is excellent. I have done various electronics projects(8051 based). Also, I have enough knowledge of Radio frequency. I need somebody's assistance to get started with the project. Rgds, Hemendra Jain Team Work leads to success. On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 Rony wrote : >Hello All, > >While we are on to discussing new ideas, this is a concept that I thought of during my daily traveling. I am mostly on field and travel a lot in public transport. I have observed that visually impaired persons usually have a problem with directions and it is more complex when it comes to making choices in different directions. Now that we have the honor of having an extremely talented person like Mr. Mane on our list, he too can give feedback on this. > >The normal method is to use beeping sounds near signals and crossings. However, our road networks are complex and require more complex sign aids. The problem is compounded when making a choice at a junction of many roads, not knowing which road leads to what place. > >This can be resolved by having radio beepers at all road points and each beeper having its own data repeatedly broadcast. To differentiate between each post and its data, the user has a handheld unidirectional radio receiver that has a mini parabolic dish antenna. The user first turns the receiver around and gets beeps for every radio post detected. As the device is pointed, its sound is the loudest when pointing straight to it. Then with the flick of a switch, he hears the data through a earphone. It tells him where he is located and where the direction he points to, is leading to with actual road names too. Its like a guide explaining different directions. So while the radio post is omni directional, the receiver is uni directional. > >Shops and restaurants too can use these radio posts to guide people to their shops and advertise their merchandise. I say, this system can be used even by sighted people who need help in directions, as big junctions have long distances across and looking across signboards can be difficult with buses and other traffic blocking the view. Tourists will find this a very handy live city guide. > >The main hurdle in this concept is to develop a proper radio system that has directional accuracy without being too expensive for the comman man. > >Regards, > >Rony. > > ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > >-- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Directional Radio Signposts.
by Rony 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hello All, While we are on to discussing new ideas, this is a concept that I thought of during my daily traveling. I am mostly on field and travel a lot in public transport. I have observed that visually impaired persons usually have a problem with directions and it is more complex when it comes to making choices in different directions. Now that we have the honor of having an extremely talented person like Mr. Mane on our list, he too can give feedback on this. The normal method is to use beeping sounds near signals and crossings. However, our road networks are complex and require more complex sign aids. The problem is compounded when making a choice at a junction of many roads, not knowing which road leads to what place. This can be resolved by having radio beepers at all road points and each beeper having its own data repeatedly broadcast. To differentiate between each post and its data, the user has a handheld unidirectional radio receiver that has a mini parabolic dish antenna. The user first turns the receiver around and gets beeps for every radio post detected. As the device is pointed, its sound is the loudest when pointing straight to it. Then with the flick of a switch, he hears the data through a earphone. It tells him where he is located and where the direction he points to, is leading to with actual road names too. Its like a guide explaining different directions. So while the radio post is omni directional, the receiver is uni directional. Shops and restaurants too can use these radio posts to guide people to their shops and advertise their merchandise. I say, this system can be used even by sighted people who need help in directions, as big junctions have long distances across and looking across signboards can be difficult with buses and other traffic blocking the view. Tourists will find this a very handy live city guide. The main hurdle in this concept is to develop a proper radio system that has directional accuracy without being too expensive for the comman man. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Linux file recovery.
by Rony Bill 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hello All, I want to know some good utility for recovering a deleted ext3 partition's files and folders. The partition is not yet overwritten. I googled and tried `r-linux' in windows as well as `recover' in linux but both these softwares simply dump a long list of blank files that represent inodes. The tldp site too does not provide info about converting inodes into original files. How does one actually convert deleted files/folders into their original form? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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GDB Help
by Rajesh Warange 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hi, I 'm working on Debuggers, basically GDB ... need to change it for a native chipset. I need to know 1. the "chain of functions" GDB goes through when given the command on the Command-Line. 2. Also the "chain of commands" GDB goes through when given commands like break, step etc. I 'm reading GDB Internals ... but its not helping me much in this regard. Pleas Help. -- wrr

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Re:[ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hello ITS A FANTASTIC IDEA I REPEAT ITS A FANTASTIC IDEA Congratulations to Roney for thinking of such an idea MAHESH DESHPANDE

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Adding a Mirror to existing server
by Hozefa Motiwala 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hi All, I have a Qmail Server running in an Linux RH box since last 4 years. what I need to do is that to add a mirror to the existing hdd to make it redundant as the life of existing hdd may be over.(Although its working properly ) but I don't want to down the server as it is running online and is critical for my client. Any inputs would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Hozefa.

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[COMMERCIAL] Job opportunities in storage domain
by Nirendra Awasthi 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

A multinational storage company in Pune is looking for candidate with following experience: Mandatory skills: 1. 1+ year of Perl programming experience. 2. Knowledge of OS internals. 3. Sound knowledge of software development methodologies and engineering processes. 4. Comfortable in Unix/Linux development environment. 5. Passion to learn new technology. Desirable skills: 1. Experience in development using C/C++. 2. Knowledge of storage domain. Experience: 1-4 years Location: Pune If interested please contact me offlist on lists (at) nirendra.net -Nirendra

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by Akshay Mishra 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Rony <ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:35:52 +0530 > > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts. > > Hello All, > > > > While we are on to discussing new ideas, this is a concept that I > > thought of during my daily traveling. I am mostly on field and travel a > > lot in public transport. I have observed that visually impaired persons > > usually have a problem with directions and it is more complex when it > > comes to making choices in different directions. Now that we have the > > honor of having an extremely talented person like Mr. Mane on our list, > > he too can give feedback on this. > > > > The normal method is to use beeping sounds near signals and crossings. > > However, our road networks are complex and require more complex sign > > aids. The problem is compounded when making a choice at a junction of > > many roads, not knowing which road leads to what place. > > > > This can be resolved by having radio beepers at all road points and each > > beeper having its own data repeatedly broadcast. To differentiate > > between each post and its data, the user has a handheld unidirectional > > radio receiver that has a mini parabolic dish antenna. The user first > > turns the receiver around and gets beeps for every radio post detected. > > As the device is pointed, its sound is the loudest when pointing > > straight to it. Then with the flick of a switch, he hears the data > > through a earphone. It tells him where he is located and where the > > direction he points to, is leading to with actual road names too. Its > > like a guide explaining different directions. So while the radio post is > > omni directional, the receiver is uni directional. > > > > Shops and restaurants too can use these radio posts to guide people to > > their shops and advertise their merchandise. I say, this system can be > > used even by sighted people who need help in directions, as big > > junctions have long distances across and looking across signboards can > > be difficult with buses and other traffic blocking the view. Tourists > > will find this a very handy live city guide. > > > > The main hurdle in this concept is to develop a proper radio system that > > has directional accuracy without being too expensive for the comman man. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rony. Ideally this should come with the cell phone. But what with Bluetooth being subjective to virus attacks, an addon can be designed which does this task. Also, with RF enabled microcontrollers available cheaply, one can do these developments as standalone devices. Another application is giving them out at places like Prince of Wales Musuem instead of the casette players. Each location identified with numbers can emit a low power rf. The player with the tourist shall know which id is this and hence what information to play out. The RF/processing cost is not major hurdle if the amout of processing required is small and the distances are within a few hundred metres, the data rates not exceeding a few kbps. (64kbps is supported by a few chips over short distances) regards, Akshay

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Re: Link to GPLv3 audio and video (dead link?)
by Vic Cris 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

--- Roshan wrote: > > > "...Microsoft Windows is a spyware ...(Windows > > XP)" > > > > May i know who was it that said this? > RMS. He's said this because, either he has > discovered > it or someone has told him. > A friend has Windows installed on her desktop (by the vendor) and called me for help because she keeps getting messages about it not being a licensed copy. Clearly this happens because MS is monitoring online unlicensed copies (she didn't know the difference and has asked the vendor to implement a license). If that doesn't count as spyware, then what does? However, with all due respect to RMS, I prefer to think of most implementations of the OS as malware (and reserve my opinions only on the ones I haven't tried myself). --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html

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Contacting moderators
by Vic Cris 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

I was trying to contact the moderator (I mailed Anurag) about a problem I face reading the listmail with my webmail client (I can't access it right now, but I think it is called something Boxes - it has an icon of an Escher like box assembly), but the mail bounced saying no such mailbox, which is vizarre because he most definitely is still using his gnuer address. Anyway, the problem is that the first mail in the digest is clearly visible, while the rest are dimmed and darned difficult to read. Does anyone know why this happens? Secondly, the listmail appears without a date - so that it is all piled up at the very end of my Inbox. This also happens with some spam (heh heh - no drawing hasty conclusions), but not all. As you can see, I also access the list from my yahoo listmail address, and here I don't get either problem. How can I view a detailed mail in my webmail client, so that I can give my service provider a clue to fixing it? --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: Link to GPLv3 audio and video (dead link?), RMS public lecture Audio / Video CD?
by Roshan 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

> > > "...Microsoft Windows is a spyware ...(Windows > > XP)" There was blog on it. http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000178.html But has no one downloaded the audio or tried the links of 4th Conf.? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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ubuntu and wine: some updates
by Abhishek Daga 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

Installed ubuntu dapper drake desktop for the first time. Before this, I had only worked with RH based distros. Installed Apache, MySQL and PHP also. It was a Breeze. Overall, only 1 word can describe the entire distro and setup. Sexy. Had to run putty for an application (ssh and xterm messed up the function keys) so installed it over wine. Again, a breeze though with some errors. Which is ok. One tip: The font looks weird. So you will need to change it to anything else and it will look fine. I had to install desktop version even though I am using it as a server because we dont have the luxury of a dedicated server only machine. My mandatory question is: Would it have been better to have installed the server version with ready LAMP stack and then enabled X? thanks abhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Link to GPLv3 audio and video (dead link?), RMS public lecture Audio / Video CD?
by Roshan 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Hello all, Found the link for Audio and Video format of 4th International Conference on GPLv3, India, but the link seems to be dead. Below are the links. Audio: http://gplv3.fsf.org.nyud.net:8080/static/gplv3-india-audio.tar Video: http://gplv3.fsf.org.nyud.net:8080/static/gplv3-india-video.tar Anyone, who has already downloaded it? The public lecture at Patkar hall was recorded. Will its audio and Video format be available on GLUG's website or on a CD? Few Excerpt for those who missed it.. "...Microsoft Windows is a spyware ...(Windows XP)" Portability of Programs. "Those days, portability across different architectures was difficult. Therefore, we used to read a program and then write the same for a different platform. We would name it in a funny way. This program (we made) is not that program. ...... Recursive Acronyms originated from here. SINE ..SINE Is Not Emacs...and then ..... GNU's Not UNIX (instead of the usual four letter, three letter recursive acronym)" "You can develop good coding skills if you read more programs, understand and write more programs." "The Philosophy Won't bring a crisis to employment." "Free Software should be encouraged in Educational Institutions" Do correct, if you find any mistakes in the above. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Perl Hashes.
by Nadeem M. Khan 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Hi. I have a perl hash that has 200 key-value pairs. Something like this: 001 one 002 two ........... 200 two_hundred My script can read the pairs which are at the top without issues, but from pair 170 onwards, the script fails to read them. Is there any limit on the memory/number of elements in a hash? If I move pair number 171 right at the top, it works. Strangely, the script works very well on Linux, but the problem occurs on AIX and HP-UX. Regards, NMK.

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Copying the entire file System from one partition to another
by Francis 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

I have my FC5 running neatly and all configured just the way I like it , though I have begun running out of free space on the installed partition here is what the installed partition info looks like: /dev/hda1 * 0+ 2610 2611- 20972826 7 HPFS/NTFS >> M$ Partition /dev/hda2 2611 8484 5874 47182905 7 HPFS/NTFS start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1) /dev/hda3 8485 8497 13 104422+ 83 Linux start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1) /dev/hda4 8498 9728 1231 9888007+ 5 Extended start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1) /dev/hda5 8498+ 9728 1231- 9887976 8e Linux LVM start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,1,1) I don't mind breaking down the M$ partition and moving the Linux fs to /dev/hda1 . Any Best Practices that you would suggest ?? Cheers, Francis

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Need feedback and input for a talk/paper
by Dinesh Shah 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Hi All, I am planing to give a small talk on FOSS - Road Ahead @ FreeDel. I would highly appreciate your input and feedback on the topic. TIA for your help and support. Topic: Free and Open Source Software - Customers, Consumers, Communities and Society Format: 40-minute seminar-style presentations with 10 minutes for Q&A Abstract: Today, there is lot of talk of GNU/Linux adoption in all walks of life. However, in spite of superior technology, freedom, security, open standards, low cost and other advantages of FOSS the ground reality of the penetration of FOSS in main stream IT infrastructure remains poor to below average. In this paper we will look @ the perceptions of the various stack holders in FOSS and what are the required steps to be taken by current stack holders to bring in the acceleration of the adoption of FOSS in the mainstream IT infrastructure. Here is the draft out-line of the presentation. Introduction Preamble Definitions Customer Consumer Community Society Perspectives Customer / Consumer Needs and Expectation FOSS / Community Needs and Expectation Proprietary / Business Needs and Expectation Facts and Statistics Market Segments Servers / Workstations Desktop Embedded / Appliance Education / Academic High Performance Adoption Behavior and Expectations Customer Consumer Community Business Road Ahead -- --Dinesh Shah :-)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Linux Tshirts
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

> Another option is to print it using a good inkjet printer. You need > to use what is called a T-Shirt Transfer Paper. Once the print is > done, you need to put it below the T-Shirt and Iron it from the > other side, the print moves from the paper to the t-shirt. This is > theory, not actually used in practice. It has been done in practice. Prasanta Baruah and others at HBCSE has done it, although it needs to be done with outmost care, it is posible to get reasonable results. The ink also does not go away very easily. Obviously for better results, get it embroidered. No idea if that is possible or not, but theoretically it should be. Cheers, Debarshi -- Don't be humble ... you're not that great. -- Golda Meir

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hi, I can help you for learning kernel and bootup
by krishnakant Mane 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

hi, I am Krishnakant from the mailing list. I can help you to learn the bootup process and also kernel compilation. I think rather than giving you a document and leaving it to you, I will show it to you practically. Please note down my number so that you can contact me and we can fix to meet. I as it is want to compile a kernel for my system so you can join in. my land line number is 241662293 and mobile number is 9820310472 on which you can contact me. my other email id is krmane(a)gmail.com as an alternative. by the way what is your background? are you having any background on programming? do you have any interested in programming? do you program in c? it will be easy to explain you about kernel compilation and bootup if you have little knowledge on programming. regards. Krishnakant Mane, Chairman Compact Software Solutions

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] please help
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

If you are keen just to upgrade your kernel the easiest thing is to get a RPM kernel for your distro, but if you really want to compile from source read on... :-) > Along with this i will be very thankfull if u can kindly explain me the kernal compilation > process(i want to compile a new kernal) http://www.freeos.com/articles/4794/ Download a vannilla kernel from http://www.kernel.org/ (click on the F) or ftp://glug-nith.org/tarballs/linux-2.6.17.11.tar.bz2 or ftp://glug-nith.org/tarballs/linux-2.4.32.tar.bz2 depending on whether you want the 2.4 or 2.6 branch. If you are using a distro as old as RH9 then you should try the 2.4 kernel. Unzip the tarball and after cding into the directory type: # make help That would show you all your available options. But follow the tutorial for your first attenpt. Cheers, Debarshi -- Don't be humble ... you're not that great. -- Golda Meir

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[OT] Linux Tshirts
by Nadeem M. Khan 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Hi. Anyone knows where I can purchase Tshirts with witty Linux slogans in India? Regards, NMK.

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please help
by diode diode 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Hi everybody, I am a new learner in this LINUX world.Curently i am using the redhat9, and i want to know if anyone can helpme out by explaining me the boot process in detail ie starting of the server (my system) in a proper way, Along with this i will be very thankfull if u can kindly explain me the kernal compilation process(i want to compile a new kernal) Thnx and Regards Diode 9820267228 diode_linux(a)yahoo.co.in --------------------------------- Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

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migrating thunderbird settings and mails to Linux
by Abhishek Daga 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Has anyone successfully migrated thunderbird settings and mails from Windows to Linux? I need to switch a machine from windows to linux without losing the settings and emails. Any ideas and tricks n tips? thanks abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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3-day workshop on open source software
by Shuvam Misra 26 Aug '06

26 Aug '06

Dear all, There's a three-day workshop on open source software being organised by a non-profit organisation, together with assistance from local bodies and companies, in Bombay. It will be a purely technical workshop, with the aim of introducing some of the popular ideas, concepts, and application layers to the participants. All interested individuals are invited. There are no delegate fees. The details can be found in a generic invitation letter which was sent to many institutes and colleges: http://www.starcomsoftware.com/tmp/aoss-invite.pdf and the programme schedule can be found at: http://www.starcomsoftware.com/tmp/aoss-programme.xls The body responsible for organising this workshop is an int'l non-profit organisation, with their office in Singapore, called the CICC (check http://www.cicc.org.sg) These people facilitate various computing activities in Asia, and OSS is one of the areas they have decided to promote. They have been organising a series of AOSS Workshops (AOSS = Asian OSS) all over Asia and have been getting very good responses. They have now arrived at a new model for organising these workshops with practically zero central funding or corporate sponsorships, so that it remains a grassroots movement. Their first attempt at doing one in India was in May, in Chennai. This one, in Navi Mumbai, will be their second. They intend to do one in some corner or other of India every two or three months, in parallel with similar events in other parts of Asia. Wherever they organise these events, they try to rope in local volunteer bodies or SIGs, and the Chennai workshop was heavily supported by CDAC Chennai, CSI Chennai Chapter, and NIC Chennai. Most of the delegates were teachers from colleges from the four southern states, and researchers from academic institutions. CICC are in the process of exploring their network of contacts to reach out to the ILUG groups in various cities, so it is very likely that they will come to each LUG in India for organisational assistance for future events. Currently, this Bombay event which was organised in a bit of a hurry has CDAC Bombay acting as the host and providing the venue, and a group of three or four organisations providing speakers and organisational support totally on a non-commercial basis. All course material prepared by speakers for these workshops are contributed into the central pool, and are re-used for subsequent events. At the Bombay workshop, we have a mix of speakers who are young and technically competent hands-on techies, and senior managers who have headed major OSS-based projects in their organisations. The speaker from Mazgaon Docks Limited is the Head of IT at MDL, and has headed major enterprise-level application development projects on OSS platforms for MDL. It is likely that the members of this LUG mailing list are quite knowledgeable and may not find anything much to learn from the workshop. But if you know someone who is a beginner with Linux and OSS, or a boss who wants to learn about this "new Linux thing", please pass on this workshop pointer to them and let them apply as per the details given in the invitation letter. Thanks and warm regards, Shuvam Misra

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Does anyone use SLED?
by kunal gangar 26 Aug '06

26 Aug '06

Hi, Is anyone from the mailing list using Suse linux enterprise desktop? If yes, then can you'll tell me some tips and tricks...im a newbie. :) -- Kunal Gangar. Tech Ticker http://www.techtickerblog.com

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