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How to Create a Makefile which supports on Xwindow
by punit chaturvedi 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Hi, I would like to know how can i change my makefile so that i can run it on X Window Environment. My makefile is perfectly working in Shell, but i need to either compile it into xwindow environment or is there any way i can change my makefile so that it can be run in xwindow environment. Appreciate if you guys can help me out. With Regards, Punit --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

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Debian Linux Ver 3.1 CD
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Hi Does anyone have latest debian CD I will highly appereciate if somebody can guide me Thanks in advance MAHESH DESHPANDE Trainer for Linux Installations, Linux for End Users.

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Grub issue
by Puneet Lakhina 31 May '06

31 May '06

I have two hard disks. THe hard disk which is connected as slave has grub on its mbr. and has a windows xp installation, running along with ubuntu 5.10. The other disk(connected as master) has only a windows xp installation. I want to be able to boot into either of these 3 os installations (ubuntu and xp on slave and xp on master) from the grub. So i made the slave hard disk as my 1st boot device. Now i can boot into xp and ubuntu of the slave deive easily. But when i try and boot into the xp installation of the master disk, it boots into the xp installation of slave only. The entry for the master xp installation in menu.lst is as follows root (hd1,0) makeactive savedefaults chainloader +1 I have added this entry myself. COuld anyone suggest what the problem could be?? -- Puneet

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opensource projects for training trainees ...
by Steven Joseph 31 May '06

31 May '06

why cant companies give development hands on practice by making trainees work on some opensource project. That way the trainees can get to see some real community approved style of coding. That will improve their coding skills and technique also. Its like the trainees having the whole opensource community as mentors.. till they are ready to work on internal projects that is. After which it depends on the company policy whatever. Steven -- Life would have been a lot more easier if we could look at the source code.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Driver development kit
by hemendra jain 30 May '06

30 May '06

>"Have you ever felt teased when driver developers of other operating >systems teased you about a lack of a "proper" driver development kit >for Linux? Have you felt left out of the crowd when looking at the 36 >cdrom package of documentation and example source code that other >operating systems provide for their developers? Well feel ashamed no >longer!" > >http://www.kroah.com/log/2006/05/24/#ddk I have inclination towards driver development and also develop the same. We can have a session of 'development of DD using an e.g'. Rgds, Hemendra

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[OT] Thank God! if it werent for Linux...
by Dinesh Joshi 30 May '06

30 May '06

We all would be using this... http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/flexgo/payasyougo.mspx It's now official. Microsoft has gone I.N.S.A.N.E. >:( :) Disclaimer: This post is meant to be funny and not a flamebait of any sort... -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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Service interruption
by Anurag 30 May '06

30 May '06

Hello, Due to a minor DNS issue with tifr.res.in registry at NCST, ILUG-BOM website and mailing list may not be accessible for a day. We are looking into the problem and trying to resolve it at the earliest. Please try again after sometime if your postings do not get delivered to the list. thanks Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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kdevelop tool view ... annoyance
by Steven Joseph 29 May '06

29 May '06

HI, im having a little trouble finding if there is any shortcut in kdevelop to close any open tool view. -- Life would have been a lot more easier if we could look at the source code.

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CyberCafe - Time Bounded User Control.
by bimal pandit 27 May '06

27 May '06

Dear All, recently one of my friend came to me and asked to setup a proxy server for his cyber cafe, though the setup and configuration is not an issue but the control/management of user with time boundation is!!! what I mean is He need to have time bounded user access, as what happens in cybercafe is a user comes in, a username and password is provided to him with a validity in time e.g. 1Hrs., 2Hrs. etc as per the charge and time decided by the cafe owner and requested by the user, so I am looking for such a tool which can do the same for such a cybercafe based on squid and linux as a platform. In this regard I need help from you to guide me if there is such a tool exists or some pointer to acheive this. regards, Bimal Pandit

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Driver development kit
by jtd 27 May '06

27 May '06

Useful stuff for the final yr project challenged. "Have you ever felt teased when driver developers of other operating systems teased you about a lack of a "proper" driver development kit for Linux? Have you felt left out of the crowd when looking at the 36 cdrom package of documentation and example source code that other operating systems provide for their developers? Well feel ashamed no longer!" http://www.kroah.com/log/2006/05/24/#ddk -- Rgds JTD

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Linux distro posters ...
by Arun K. Khan 27 May '06

27 May '06

On the lighter side. http://www.flickr.com/photos/glagla/sets/1177687/show/ -- Arun Khan (knura at yahoo dot com) In the long run, every program becomes rococo, and then rubble. -- Alan Perlis

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OO.org on Rediff - It is a threat to Microsoft Office!
by Dinesh Shah 26 May '06

26 May '06

At the outset, this article was written in OpenOffice Writer - a word processor comparable to Microsoft Word. The Writer is just one part of the suite called OpenOffice.org - touted as "open source" competition to Microsoft Office. The original version was slow and clunky. However, with the latest version (2.0), OpenOffice.org has made it worthwhile to be written about. http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/may/26spec1.htm Enjoy! -- --Dinesh Shah :-) <Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com> Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] CyberCafe - Time Bounded User Control.
by bimal pandit 25 May '06

25 May '06

Dear Javed, On Thu, 25 May 2006 Javed Dhanani wrote : >> >> I am looking for such a tool which can do the same for such a cybercafe >>based on squid and linux as a platform. >> >>One of my friends has a complete software for cybercafe based on linux >with user, cache and bandwidth controls. >Mail me off the list if you are interested. >-- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers only with "User" regards, Bimal Pandit

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MIT $100 laptop (one laptop per child)
by Arun Khan 25 May '06

25 May '06

Pictures of the first prototype units; runs Fedora - http://www.flickr.com/photos/pete/sets/72057594143224765/ Project web site: http://www.laptop.org/index.en_US.html -- Arun Khan

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cd enhanced
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 24 May '06

24 May '06

Add the following lines to your ~/.bashrc, and you will be able to go back and forward in bash as we are used to in Nautilus and Konqueror. Use cd [ and cd ] to avail the features: __COUNT=0 __BACK=0 cd () { if [ "${1}" = "[" ]; then if [ "${__BACK}" -lt "${__COUNT}" ]; then pushd +1 > /dev/null __BACK=$(($__BACK+1)) else echo "can't go back any more" fi elif [ "${1}" = "]" ]; then if [ "${__BACK}" != 0 ]; then pushd -0 > /dev/null __BACK=$(($__BACK-1)) else echo "can't go forward any more" fi elif [ "${1}" = "." ]; then builtin cd "${@}" else if [ "${1}" = "-" ]; then pushd "${OLDPWD}" > /dev/null elif [ "${#}" -eq 0 ]; then pushd "${HOME}" > /dev/null else pushd "${@}" > /dev/null fi while [ "${__BACK}" -gt 0 ]; do popd -0 > /dev/null __BACK=$(($__BACK-1)) done __COUNT=$(($__COUNT+1)) fi } Happy hacking, Debarshi

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[Commercial] Drupal programmers wanted in Mumbai
by Sierra Bravo 24 May '06

24 May '06

Dear all Programmers proficient in Drupal wanted for migrating the website of a member-based professional society to Drupal. The site is of moderate complexity, with about 15,000 members. Programmers should have had prior experience with managing websites of this magnitude on FOSS platforms. Please reply off-list. Thanks and good luck, Linuxers sb

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GRUB, MBR and NTLDR confusion
by िऩऩाद 24 May '06

24 May '06

Hi I have 2 hard disks. /dev/hda(primary) and /dev/hdb(slave) 40gb each. I have been facing a problem of bootloaders when installed on the MBR. To be safe and avoid any further problems I have decided to go with ntldr the windows bootloader. My first hdd has Win XP Slack 10.2 and FC3. The 2nd hd is solely for experimentation and contains Ubuntu 5.10 only. Whilst googling for information I found that GRUB can be loaded on to the boot partition instead of the MBR and also ona floppy or CD. Now my problem is I do not have a seperate boot partition. In turn whilst installing ubuntu I installed GRUB on /dev/hdb2. I created a linux.bin file by issuing dd if=/dev/hdb2 of=/linux.bin bs=512 count=1 and copied it to C:\ and also added it to boot.ini and named it as linux. When I start the pc I get this option along with the windows XP option but on selecting it the system hangs with a constant beeping sound. Is there any other solution? Have I gone wrong somewhere? I do not want to install GRUB on to MBR but instead use the ntldr to boot Linux Currently I am booting by inserting the first cd of the slackware and issuing the boot command with the root as the specific partition Thanks and Regards Ninad Bapat

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[OT] mATX Motherboard in ATX Cabinet
by Antriksh Bajaj 24 May '06

24 May '06

Hi all, I have a 2 yr old PC with the following specs: ASUS A7V8X-MX SE Motherboard (mATX) AMD Athlon XP 2600+ VIA KM 400 Chipset 256 MB RAM (DDR 266) 40 GB HDD MATX cabinet, 240 W power supply As this is an mATX motherboard so I was wondering if I can install this Motherboard in an ATX cabinet. Please tell me is it possible to do so and also is the power supply unit of An ATX cabinet compatible with an mATX motherboard. Thanks in advance. Regards, Antriksh

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[OT] volunteers for new collaboration project
by Rohit V. Bhute 22 May '06

22 May '06

Please take a look at http://hthite.com/ISFwiki/Main_Page This is a nascent project attempting to provide a collaborative platform for (but not limited to) students attempting software projects as part of their academic activities. The platform is not limited to academic projects or even just software. In fact, the concept is barely "out of the brain and onto the web page", to speak of. I request you all to take a look at the project wiki and signup to participate in the discussion. To give you a hint of the brainstorming progress, these are the (so far) two pages with some ideas. http://hthite.com/ISFwiki/Discuss:Project_Name http://hthite.com/ISFwiki/Discuss:Content Activity is low as MU engineering exams are in progress. But others can chip in. Thanks. -- Rohit V. Bhute http://rvbhute.freelinuxhost.com/wordpress

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[OT] volunteers for new collaboration project
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 22 May '06

22 May '06

> Please take a look at > http://hthite.com/ISFwiki/Main_Page I represent the GNU/Linux User Group of NIT Hamirpur (http://www.glug-nith.org). We were also planning something similar for our college only. But it would be better if we can have something which is meant for all Indian universities. Maybe the service can be linked to existing services like Savannah, Sarovar, Sourceforge. > Activity is low as MU engineering exams are in progress. But others can > chip in. We are also having ours. :( Regards, Debarshi

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Securing email ... Linux servers ... GNU/Linux CLI ... Lyx ... game clones of Tetris
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 22 May '06

22 May '06

Issue 12 of Free Software Magazine is out Another great issue with 10 articles on various aspects of free software. It's available in HTML and PDF download... for free! In Issue 12 of Free Software Magazine, Jerome Gotangco guides us through securing email communication and Yousef Ourabi shows us how to harden our Linux servers. Rosalyn Hunter introduces the GNU/Linux CLI for beginners and Terry Hancock explains LyX. We also get to have some fun when Robin Monks reviews some clones of a classic game: Tetris. And more... Download the whole issue as a high-resolution PDF file! http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/issues/issue_012

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Re: Problem printing with Gnome/RH9
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 22 May '06

22 May '06

Rony had advised me to try editing the printer selector in each application. I tried doing this with Mozilla, but cannot see the right way to edit the module using a line editor. Siddhesh also asked whether I was setting up OpenOffice for the printer, but I haven't done this, nor can I see how it is done. The OpenOffice installation was done long before the printer arrived. In case this is a very small fix, please mail me separately to avoid list noise, or point me to a faq where this is fully explained. Vickram

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CNN interviews Linus Torvalds
by Arun K. Khan 22 May '06

22 May '06

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/05/18/global.office.linustorvalds/

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Light weight google Calendar
by Francis 22 May '06

22 May '06

I was wondering how to extract data from the body of a HTTP 200 ok Header using PHP. What I am trying to do is to write a light weight GUI that connects to google Calendar[www.google.com/calendar] ! Why do this : Simple my cellphone does not support AJAX and I want to be able to update the calendar on the move from my cell !! I am sending the username along with password and a couple of other variables that google needs , to their authentication url [ http://francis.byethost22.com/googlelogin.php ] . In response it sends back a Auth token which I need to place in a cookie . How on god's green earth do I extract the token !! Francis . Warm Summerr !!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] CNN interviews Linus Torvalds
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 May '06

21 May '06

>> RMS was NEVER associated with the Open Source movement. He is the >> founder of the free software movement, the GNU Project and the Free >> Software Foundation, and none of these are part of the Open Source >> movement. Atleast not according to RMS. (And I am a RMS fan.) >> > Think OpenSource and GNU without Linux. > Don't separate the things - Why one should envy or be jelous to any of > our community? And by hating each other - only M$ is gaining and > laughing at us. I am wondering why people starting GNOME v/s KDE and > Linux v/s GNU/Linux wars? Stating the fact that RMS was NOT a part of the Open Source movement does not convey any hatred towards anybody. It just clears some misinformation. In the same way that, if I said I am not part of the Indian cricket team I would not convey any hatred towards Indian cricket. :D Being a member of a GLUG (there IS a difference between a LUG and a GLUG, however subtle that maybe), we are expected to be aware of the differences between these various entities and terms. Otherwise how are we going to spread awareness about GNU/Linux. I found many of my fellow members refer to "the GNU utilities being used by Linux". Well that is again a mistake. Linux is the kernel which is a part of the whole operating system, which the GNU project, sponsored by the FSF started. There are other GNU based systems that use other kernels. eg., GNU/Hurd. Yeah it is true Hurd is still far from being complete, but that is again another matter. It is not a matter of a GNU/Linux vs. Linux warfare, it is just about getting the record straight. Linus Torvalds should get full credit for developing such a wonderful monolithic kernel, and releasing it under the GNU GPL. Similarly RMS should be credited with spearheading other components of the system. Namely the compiler (GCC), a text editor (GNU Emacs), the debugger (GDB), the shell (GNU Bash), a desktop environment (GNOME), the bootloader (GRUB) and so on. These are very important parts of the system without which Linux would not have been able to survive. The other way round is true also. So honestly there is no scope for flame wars, as long we give credit where it is due. Regards, Debarshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] CNN interviews Linus Torvalds
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 May '06

21 May '06

>> http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/05/18/global.office.linustorvald >>s/ > Linus isn't really the father of the open source movement. RMS has a > lions share to say the least :) RMS was NEVER associated with the Open Source movement. He is the founder of the free software movement, the GNU Project and the Free Software Foundation, and none of these are part of the Open Source movement. Atleast not according to RMS. (And I am a RMS fan.) Debarshi

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[ot] mono laser printer recommendation?
by Abhishek Daga 20 May '06

20 May '06

hi, am looking for a mono laser printer (and/or multifunctional device) where the primary criteria is economy in running cost. my guess is that those toners that can be refilled with ease (as opposed to buying new cartridge each time) drastically brings down the cost. is that correct? if so then what are the printers that allow for this? Speaking of multifunctional devices, are they really compelling? especially the ones which have Fax and PC fax? the samsung multifunctional 4110 is only 2000 more than regular mono laser but without a fax. any recommendations based on first hand experience, highly solicited. thanks abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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ET:Microsoft and Open Source
by Nikhil Marathe 20 May '06

20 May '06

Today's economic times(pg 13) has an interbiew with some microsoft guy about the companies outlook to open source. It seems he didn't know what he was talking about. There are a few things which stand out. 1. "We see open source as a software development method" He undoubtedly has still not opened his eyes to the revolution 2. "We compete with OSS products" He continued to mention red hat, ibm and oracle. THey don't realise that the bigger threat is from the stuff that matters to the majority of the people. its projects like KDE and ubuntu leading to their gradual fall, the ones that matter to the common people, not products made by some company. 3. "OSS is at its peak" I thought we are still at the foot of the mountain (or a plateau since we never go down) while microsoft is finished climbing and now going down 4. "99% of devs work on drivers and such" Yes i suppose kde/gnome/etc are all device drivers offering a protocol to communicate with the user's brain. its not the kernel thats starting to matter these days, its the software on top of it. I have always been one who doesn't give a damn about enterprise level software. its not a big problem if linux doesn't reach there, it is almost never seen by Average Joe. the place where it matters on the desktop, the DE's, the search tools, the browsers, the multimedia. That is what is going to reinforce linux on the desktop, that is m$ biggest threat since most of their revenue comes from windows. M$ seriously has to wake up and reassess the situation, they are still stuck in the OSS situation of say 5 years ago. What are your views on the article. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Debian Hosting
by Anil Gupte 20 May '06

20 May '06

BlankTrying this again since my first message got munged. Can anyone recommend a reliable hosting provider on Debian in preferably in Pune? We need MySQL and the ability to do scripting/perl/PHP. Alternately any suggestions for possible co-location of a small server? Thanx, Anil Gupte

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Books on Debian
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 20 May '06

20 May '06

Hi Can you suggest me good books on debian administration Thanks in anticipation MAHESH DESHPANDE Trainer for Linux Installations, Linux for End Users.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ET:Microsoft and Open Source
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 20 May '06

20 May '06

>> Must we always draw comparisons with XP? True XP is the most commonly >> used desktop OS, but then someone who has not used XP at all (or >> atleast for quite some time) might think otherwise. I for myself find >> the absence of virtual desktops in XP very irritating! > Umm....I dont use XP. I use Linux 24x7. It is only at the college that I > am *forced* into using XP. Same for me too. :( ;) > But as I said, its very simple to use - even for first timers. Thats not quite true. It is 'simple' because many people use it, or in other words there is a Windows User Group everywhere. :D It might be 'difficult' setting up things in GNU/Linux, but if you think about the system hang-ups, reboots, viruses, etc. the situation changes. > And I find the absence of a full blown CLI in XP crippling :( Quite right. > I use FC5. Dunno what version of GNOME it uses but I certainly couldn't > find it in the right click menu or any of the preferences. I was told > ( on IRC ) that I'll have to edit some files in my home directory to > make that association. Sucks! I use FC5 too and it uses GNOME 2.14. You right click a file and there is an option to 'open this file in another application' in the drop-down menu. By the way I think there is no way to perform hover-select in single-click mode in Nautilus, as it used to be in WIndows. Regards, Debarshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ET:Microsoft and Open Source
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 May '06

19 May '06

> I have run the latest KDE / GNOME > and they are no where near the responsiveness, intuitiveness, > userfriendliness that XP's (or M$) GUI offer. Must we always draw comparisons with XP? True XP is the most commonly used desktop OS, but then someone who has not used XP at all (or atleast for quite some time) might think otherwise. I for myself find the absence of virtual desktops in XP very irritating! > I dont see any > userfriendliness being built into GNOME. As a concrete example, I still > cannot right click any file and associate it with an app. This has been > a standard in M$ GUI for like ever and even KDE guys added it a long > time ago. Yeah this is true. While using FC2, I could not find an easy way to edit the file-type and application associations. But the right-clicking functionality is now present in GNOME 2.14. > it still lacks > a good "control panel" (infact AFAIK it doesnt have one). KDE is far > far ahead of GNOME in this case. Thats again true. Not only that, I can not really differentiate between the logic behind placing an option in the preferences or administration sub-menu in the 'System' menu in GNOME. They look very similar to me. Any idea? By the way I know one Microsoft employee who claimed that Redhat is a very bad open-source company, while giving examples about the economic failures of FOSS based firms. He did not elaborate on Redhat though, although he gave the example of Mandrake going bankrupt. Wonder how good a proprietary software company M$ is? Regards, Debarshi

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Re: ET:Microsoft and Open Source
by Roshan 19 May '06

19 May '06

> 4) People are used to Corel Draw, Photoshop,.Net, Alternatives are there such as Scribus, GAIM, Mono Project but people are not aware. If someone joins any institute for DTP course, he would have to be taught using CorelDraw, Photoshop because, "most" of DTP providers use these. > The list can go on. Please everyone, do not discuss > the individual cases > as the intention is only to highlight the problems. I haven't. But, people who are a part of the list, would know their alternatives, though they cannot be "the" alternative. *snip* > kudos rony! You hit the nail on the head :) But you > need to agree that > KDE and GNOME still have a long way before they can > become as > userfriendly as Windows UI. This brings a thought to my mind. Question: The subscribers of this mailing list, have migrated from Windows to any Linux Distribution, OR have been using GNU/Linux right from the day he/she started learning computers? Because, there would be some people, who like the Windows GUI because they were introduced and taught about the GUI and they would generally resist a change from that GUI to KDE or GNOME. Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com

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[OT] Can CD/DVD writers be repaired?
by Arun K. Khan 19 May '06

19 May '06

I have a CD/DVD writer that does not read any medium. The physical function like eject/insert of the tray works OK. On insert, the external panel LED lights up a for a moment and then nothing. I suspect the LED/head is gone. I want to explore the option of getting it repaired. If you know of any place (in Mumbai) that handles such repairs please contact me off list. Thank you. TIA -- Arun Khan Linux is like a wigwam - no gates, no windows, apache inside

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[OT] Sendmail + LDAP HowTo.
by bimal pandit 19 May '06

19 May '06

Dear All, just to let people configure an email system, I have written an article on it and want that you should go through it, analyse and test it and help me to improve it further, while in case there is any error/mistake or correction is required please let me know. though I am not an expert but your valuable input will help me to understand the mailing system. SendMail + LDAP HowTo. http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/927 regards, Bimal Pandit

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video capture card & VHS to vcd.
by Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. 19 May '06

19 May '06

Hi, How do I go about recording video onto a cd or dvd from: 1. a vhs video cassette (must be able - this is the main purpose) 2. a tv broadcast (good if posible else ..) Actually I was talking to a friend of mine who would like to set this up. I offered to help him if it was a linux based solution. I have googled and found that a lot ot documentation seems to point to video capture cards and tv tuner cards with a certain amount of ambiguity. I have looked up the hardware compatibility lists, websites of mythtv, cinelerra, mjpegtools and a few more. he already has a pretty new machine w/ 2.4 G P4, 512 ram and a 80 GB hd of which we can give linux about 40 GB. He would like to do this professionally somewhere down the line and hence would not be averse to buying a good card. I want to know which card is a better bet, a video capture card or a tv tuner card. recording tv broadcasts though is not a priority or even a necessity, the aded ability would just be icing on the cake. Any personal experiences ? thanks a mil. Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K R Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. Why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together?

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[OT] About Plan 9
by Mohan Nayaka 19 May '06

19 May '06

Hi everyone. Just out of curiosity ; has anyone in this group tried out Plan 9 ? http://cm.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/download/ has a live CD. The ISO image is just 75.5 MB. i am downloading it. will try it out today. By the way I installed Dapper Beta 2 yesterday. Boot-up has improved in this release. The installer crashed in between. I put in a bug report & they said that this issue was rectified in the latest nightly build. All is well but no audio o/p :( (in DB2) Anyway, this seems to be a intermittent configuration configuration problem with xmms since 5.10 xmms seems to be fragile. The least mistake in configuring it makes it unusable. Any suggestions for a better music player ? I am now trying out kmplayer. Regards, Mohan S N -- There will be plenty of time to rest in the grave. - Paul Erdos

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Debian Hosting
by Anil Gupte 19 May '06

19 May '06

BlankCan anyone recommend a reliable hosting provider on Debian in preferably in Pune? We need MySQL and the ability to do scripting/perl/PHP. Alternately any suggestions for possible co-location of a small server? Thanx, Anil Gupte

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Chip FC5 bad ISOs.
by PenguinPuPPy 19 May '06

19 May '06

I am a subscriber of LFY and my experience with CD/DVD is also the same 30% to 40% of the time I get faulty CD/DVD's but hey are good enough to replace them though it make take upto 10 days.I have also communicated this to LFY to improve upon their CD quality but i guess what you said is right untill and unless there is a mass level complaint nothing seems to work.

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Future of OS
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 18 May '06

18 May '06

Hi REF the current discussions about M$ and their commitment to OSS.. Till today the OS has following attribs.. Most essential part of a computer for controlling access to h/w M$ dominant in OS So comtrols many applications ?? !! M$ has max profit in WORD (60% ?) So its not OS its APPS thts future Enter GOOGLE and its gmail services one of the MOST used apps (% ??) you(a)gmail.com is fantastic it is slowly being expanded to anynames(a)yourdomain.com That means for users of mail servers no installation no maintainance no spam ? If this becomes successful Google will be a dominant application server In such a scenario (in future) an OS will become equivalent to hardware just a tool to connect to the net. Then once you are on the net what matters which application is best by which suppliers. For mail and groupware I may connect to Google For Word or doc I may connect M$ That means no purchasing of Apps Now the BIG Question for the companies who are heavily dependant on their apps what ................ ANY TAKERS FOR THIS.... MAHESH DESHPANDE Trainer for Linux Installations, Linux for End Users.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] mono laser printer recommendation?
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 18 May '06

18 May '06

Hello All A thought on printers.... We generally have two types of print jobs 1. light jobs :- are usually needed "right now" typically 1-2 pages economy is not the criteria 2. Heavy jobs :- Its OK if we get the jobs next day, done from a Print Shop in Andheri or so.. SHOULD BE ECONOMICAL and preferably managable via e-mails.. This seems to be a good business proposal and very good for us who need heavy printing jobs If anybody knows such printer peopl pl let us know ONE MORE India could become a PRINT AND POST HUB FOR THE WORLD !!!!!!!!! Any Takers ;) MAHESH DESHPANDE Trainer for Linux Installations, Linux for End Users.

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Breaking News !
by Prabhat Sandheliya 17 May '06

17 May '06

Hi guys, I am sure you remember, the story I posted few days back, on the mailing list ( http://groups.google.com/group/lug-indore )about Ankit Fadia, "Ankit Fadia : The real picture " . There is a new twist in the story. :-) I sent this mail to various people, including one IT and Cyber Law expert, Deepti Chopra. She also felt that Mr Fadia is doing something fraud and misleading people. She talked to Certificate authority of India and questioned about the authenticity and credibility of the certificate. When I posted the original story to various people, I got many positive responses. I forwarded all those mails to Deepti and she passed them to the Certificate authority of India. Now the twist in the story. :-) Deepti just informed me that, she got positive reply from Certificate authority of India. They have issued a notice to Mr Fadia and CEO, Reliance Web World to stop the issuing certificates. Now we are also thinking about taking some legal action against Mr Fadia and Reliance Web World. Cheers to our victory over unethical business practice and fraud. :-) Do send me your suggestions and views. -- Prabhat Sandheliya --------------------------------------------------------------------- Promote Linux - Join mailing list : http://groups.google.com/group/lug-indore (Linux Users Group - Indore)

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Problem printing with Gnome/RH9
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 17 May '06

17 May '06

I am running gnome/RH9, and it has an annoying non-printing problem. When I bring up Print Manager (which turns out to be a gnome utility) it first says there are no printers and then helpfully asks if I would like to add any, using the Printer Configuration Tool. Upon clicking "yes", this comes up, immediately showing my HP DJ 840C exists and has a path already laid out. I can "Edit" this but there is nothing to add that I can see. When I close the edit box, I have the option to "Apply" the new settings, but even after doing so, the Print Manager fails to show me any printers. While I can print a test page from the configuration tool, I can't print anything else, meaning no documents created or viewed in OpenOffice, or pdfs or pix. How do I fix this problem?

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Re: Problem printing with Gnome/RH9
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 17 May '06

17 May '06

Quoting Siddhesh Poyarekar: > > While I can print a test page from the configuration tool, I can't print > > anything else, meaning no documents created or viewed in OpenOffice, or > pdfs or > > pix. > > > > How do I fix this problem? > Are you setting up openoffice to use the new printer? I think that is > required. I don't see any option like that. OpenOffice wants to use a 'generic' printer by default, because gnome can't see the attached printer, while the printer configurator can. These two parts of the total set don't seem to be sitting at the same table. In any case, it is not just OpenOffice, I can't print at all, except the test page (from the printer set-up tool within the configurator).

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Commercial - TAX Calculator
by TAC Forums 17 May '06

17 May '06

Hi We downloaded the tax calculation sheet from the link below. http://ynithya.com/taxcalc/TaxCalc_2006.xls We opened the said file in MS Excel, filled in all the necessary and required cells and it calculated the tax for us. However later when we opened the document in Open Office 2.0 the tax calculated was almost doubled without making any changes to the documents. We posted a query in the openoffice list and got the following reply. ========================================================== Have you re-written the macros in OOoBASIC? I think this task needs to be done before you can use this spreadsheet properly under OOo. To help you with this task, see the Cross-reference docs and tools at http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/index.html Remember, OOo does not use VB. ========================================================== Would anybody be interested in taking up this task and how much would it cost. Would appreciate an offline formal quotation for the same on the following email address support(a)theargoncompany.com. -- TAC Support Team

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Squirrelmail password changing option
by Ramang G 15 May '06

15 May '06

HI, I have installed squirrelmail successfully but iam not able to change the password .Any help? thanx in advance, Raman. --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

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Chip FC5 bad ISOs.
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 15 May '06

15 May '06

Hello All, The Chip DVD containing the FC5 ISOs has a bad disk_2 iso. Even the replacement dvd has the same problem. Has anyone else faced the same problem? Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] DSL not working in SUSE 10.0
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 15 May '06

15 May '06

> > > > I am going to install SUSE 10.1 in a few days. > x86-64 edition, by any chance? > Nopes I have SUSE 10.1 - i386 version . Just downloaded it. If anyone wants , please contact me , I can burn them for you after June 12th, after my exams end. Mail me off the list.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Ubuntu CDs and Debuging using gcc
by Roshan 15 May '06

15 May '06

> Dear All > > We ( K.J.Somaiya College of Engineering , > Vidyavihar Mumbai) are > organising Short Term Training Program on OPEN > SOURCE SOFTWARES : An > Effective Way Managing Engineering Education > between May 15 and May 26 > 2006. > We plan to distribute *Ubuntu Linux* to all > participants ( around 50) so > please guide me from where I will get those CDs of > Ubuntu Linux. Sir, It's a little late, for this. You could have got free CD's (as many as you wish) of Ubuntu Linux (packaged, with good paper covers) from http://shipit.ubuntu.com but, you had to order it atleast a month before. I am a student of S K Somaiya College of Arts, Science and Commerce, pursuing my T. Y. BSc (I. T.), and my university exams end tomorrow. If required, I can give a copy of Ubuntu 5.10 tomorrow, and you could make multiple copies of it on blank CD-R's and distribute. > One more problem please guide me *How to debug > using gcc* or any other > book for that because I plan deliver the > lecture on that topic. In one of my bookmarks, I had this link ... http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ Debugging-Options.html Hopefully, it should be helpful __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] DSL not working in SUSE 10.0
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 15 May '06

15 May '06

> > > > I have a similar connection with two different linux machines. Both need > different > methods to connect. One of the two methods can help you. > > I think you need to check the IP settings. Mostly your server is not > supporting > DHCP. so you need to find out the IP address you need for your ethernet > card > and > assign the same to it mannually. Before doing adsl-setup/adsl-start you > can > try : > # ifconfig eth0 [your IP address] > > 1. or better run network configuration service: > # system-config-network > and edit the configuration of your ethernet card(mostly eth0). Fill in the > IP address, > Subnet mask, and default gateway. I'm not sure if this service is > available > in SuSE. > > 2. Otherwise, if available you can try #netcardconfig and #pppoeconf > commands as well . > to do the same. > > PPPOE does not need any IP addresses to be put up. Its the same as dialup connection , the only additional parameter being that one has to specify "service name" along with username and password. You are confusing DHCP with PPPoE. Also PPPoE is not dependant on the IP address assigned to the LAN card , it can be anything or nothing. So you do not have to specify the Default Gateway , DNS etc ..its done automatically each time a connection is made. The easiest way to setup a PPPoE connection is as follows.... 1> run "/sbin/pppoe -A" from the terminal and note down the service name. 2>If you are using any RedHat system , just fire up "system-config-network" and in new connection select "XDSL" , enter username password and service name . 3> If using Ubuntu , do "sudo pppoeconf" and just follow the instructions on screen. Also remember that you have to set the MTU/MRU to 1492 or such value and _NOT_ 1500 for PPPoE to work properly. 4>In SUSE you can do it using Yast /Kinternet , I had done it once long time ago in SUSE 9.1 LIVE Cd. Dont remember the procedure exactly. If anyone can shed more light on this please....I am going to install SUSE 10.1 in a few days. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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Ubuntu CDs and Debuging using gcc
by Manish Potey 14 May '06

14 May '06

Dear All We ( K.J.Somaiya College of Engineering , Vidyavihar Mumbai) are organising Short Term Training Program on OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARES : An Effective Way Managing Engineering Education between May 15 and May 26 2006. We plan to distribute *Ubuntu Linux* to all participants ( around 50) so please guide me from where I will get those CDs of Ubuntu Linux. One more problem please guide me *How to debug using gcc* or any other book for that because I plan deliver the lecture on that topic. Manish Potey Asstt Prof. Department of Computer Engineering K.J.Somaiya College of Engineering Vidyavihar Mumbai

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[ot] faircom DB and c-tree
by Abhishek Daga 14 May '06

14 May '06

hi, Anyone familiar with Faircom DB and C-tree please contact me off list. I may have an interesting project to work on. thanks abhi *********************************************************************** According to the theory of aerodynamics, a bumble bee cannot fly. A bumble bee is not aware of this theory and so it decides to fly anyway. *********************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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DSL not working in SUSE 10.0
by Sandesh Singh 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hello all. My internet provider switched to PPPoE recently. It works fine in Windows. I used `adsl-setup' to set up the DSL connection in SuSE, and ran `adsl-start'. Even though it said `Connected', none of the webpages show up. Any pointers? I forgot to save the output of `adsl-setup', would that help? Thanks in advance ...

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] DSL not working in SUSE 10.0
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 13 May '06

13 May '06

<Sandesh Singh> wrote > I had the default gateway set up from the previous connection. > Clearing away that field got things in place. > > Just out of curiousity , I wanna know which ISP you have? And in which area? Because it looks like a progressive ISP . PPPOE is standards based technology and it effectively ensures access from all OS's. , and not just windows as is the case of SIFY who use a LAN-Gateway model and just have a shitty proprietary dilaer for windows.

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DSL not working in SUSE 10.0
by PenguinPuPPy 13 May '06

13 May '06

Dear Sandesh For configuring your pppoe service in SUSE 10.0 there is no need to use rpppoe i.e adsl-setup and all that... simple configutr it using smppd which is a very good utility for adsl.Go to YAST->N/W devices-> DSL and follow the Menu. (Type Alt-F2 and then type yast)to run YAST

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Got it ... (Re: DSL not working in SUSE 10.0)
by Sandesh Singh 12 May '06

12 May '06

On 5/12/06, Sandesh Singh <sandesh.lug(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all. > > My internet provider switched to PPPoE recently. I had the default gateway set up from the previous connection. Clearing away that field got things in place. -- sss http://sandesh247.googlepages.com/

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ILUG-BOM] OT:Good Dialup service
by PenguinPuPPy 12 May '06

12 May '06

Well whatever the service you may choose please do not go for Pacenet .I have been facing continues disconnections but the customer service only gives excuses and promises to do a miracle which never turns up. -- To Love The Penguin(aka TUX) You Need To Be As Faithful As A Puppy

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Re: OT:Good Dialup service
by Roshan 12 May '06

12 May '06

> I had taken a broadband connection with the thought > that I would get a > always on connection. Also it would be easier to > download distros through > bittorrent which I have done in the past months. But > after that I realised > that I do not download distros everyday. So my usage > was limited to > downloads of distros and other stuff and > surfing/chat/irc/email > Although I am continuing with the existing broadband > for another month I > want to have a dialup for those intermittent > downtimes. Which broadband are you using currently?..... > What are my options. > 1.MTNL (already have a phone and need to connect > modem and dial have done > it earlier from windows and linux both) > 2.Reliance(somebody in office suggested it have made > an inquiry) > 3.Tata Indicom(have used it at my friends house and > speeds are ok for normal > activities) > 4.Any other suggestions and alternatives are welcome I suppose, any dial-up connection would not serve as " the best" for what you use, the internet for. If you are using any GNU/Linux distro, and considering dial-up, make sure, you have your modem drivers ready for that! If you don't want to waste time searching for it, I would recommend, MTNL's TRIBAND as the best option for any purpose. If you are very keen in downloading distro's then you can go for MTNL's 590 Night Unlimited PLAN, else you can go for 199 per month scheme. This is not advertising, just giving you the best options ;) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com

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OT:Good Dialup service
by िऩऩाद 12 May '06

12 May '06

Hi I have a broadband service of Exatt. I have it since last 6 months. It is a monthly service(per month payment +unlimited usage) from a local dealer with a makeshift office who provided internet connection for various ISP's. In the last 4 months there has been too much downtime. Sometimes when you need to check mails or just get on to IRC or chat with relatives it is down. Sometimes the service is down for 3+ days.Contacting the person does not give any plausible answers. I had taken a broadband connection with the thought that I would get a always on connection. Also it would be easier to download distros through bittorrent which I have done in the past months. But after that I realised that I do not download distros everyday. So my usage was limited to downloads of distros and other stuff and surfing/chat/irc/email Although I am continuing with the existing broadband for another month I want to have a dialup for those intermittent downtimes. What are my options. 1.MTNL (already have a phone and need to connect modem and dial have done it earlier from windows and linux both) 2.Reliance(somebody in office suggested it have made an inquiry) 3.Tata Indicom(have used it at my friends house and speeds are ok for normal activities) 4.Any other suggestions and alternatives are welcome Thanks िऩऩाद बापट

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[commercial]Need Tcl/Tk programmer
by hemendra jain 12 May '06

12 May '06

Dear Friends, I need a Tcl/Tk programmer. Job is a simple 2D appln. Rgds, Hemendra Jain

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need someone to service computers with Linux installed in Borivali-Dahisar
by bombay news 11 May '06

11 May '06

Dear all, Am unable to find any computer hardware dealer in Borivli-Dahisar who is experienced in installing Linux apps. I have Windows XP running presently and need to install Linux in a partition. I am not keen to do this on my own. Can anyone help ? Regards Shiv Kumar _________________________________________________________________ Who will win Bollywoods most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp

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[OT] Reliance fixed line username/password.
by Nadeem M Khan 11 May '06

11 May '06

Hi. I'm using Reliance fixed line phone for Internet access with wvdial on RHEL 3. I've had no problems with it till they changed the dial up number from 30335151 to 172479. Now it dials all right, but refuses to authenticate me. I'm using a blank username and blank password as before. Has anyone managed to connect using the new number? Their CC ofcourse "have not been informed about any other changes except the dial up number." Thanks in advance. Regards, NMK.

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Re: BarCamp Mumbai
by Roshan 11 May '06

11 May '06

> Don't you think everything "cool" happens during the > exam time? :/ Come > on we are probably the right age group and people to > target. We are > keen on learning Linux but nooo....all these events > *have* to be > scheduled exactly when Engineering students have > their exams... :/ Umm...looking the things that are happening around, like the FOSS Documentary, this BAR CAMP, etc..I probably feel the same.. I think, we'll have opportunities sometime later, and we would be fascinated by having a combination of feeling; of what we have missed out! ;) ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com

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Google search for Linux, India ranks second
by Nikhil Marathe 11 May '06

11 May '06

http://www.google.com/trends?q=linux India ranks second in the regionwide listing for searching 'linux' in google, US isn't even on the list.

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Re: BarCamp Mumbai
by Roshan 11 May '06

11 May '06

> No slides. This isn't as much of a formal > presentation as a scaled up > BoF. Oh, I actually have a practise of doing it the formal way. I somehow feel, that this method is comparatively comprehensive way of speaking about something.. > Yes. Speak about something interesting, speak about > cool stuff you have > been doing... Aah..nothing special as such....I would have to read more to do "cool" stuff, I would be doing it after my university examinations end.... If I am attending, can I just listen to what others speak?..I gain a piece of knowledge from everyone who would speak...and I can build upon that later..... __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com

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Frugalware:automounting/unmounting media
by Nikhil Marathe 10 May '06

10 May '06

I have installed frugalware 0.4 and installed hal/dbus/pmount/udev. Whenever I plug in a usb stick or a cd KDE(3.5) pops up a dialog but is unable to mount it. Also no entry is created automatically in /media eg. /media/sda1. What is to be done to enable auto mounting/unmounting. its ok if KDE's media:/ protocol cannot access it but it should be automatically mounted in /media and it shouldn't need a fstab entry. Thanks Nikhil -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Books on Perl , Shell Scripting [Manoj Bohara]
by Manoj Bohara 09 May '06

09 May '06

Dear ILUG Members , Can anybody refer some good books on Shell and Perl scripting for beginners . I would be working on these languages days coming forward and hence wanted to get acquainted for the same . Thanks in Advance . Manoj Bohara Project Engineer Wipro Technologies , Hyderabad . Manoj Bohara "If we try , we risk failure but if we don't we are doomed" --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

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[commercial] [jobs] lamp programmer
by SeekingGyan 09 May '06

09 May '06

Hi List A Bombay based Search Engine Marketing company needs LAMP ( PHP / Perl ) developers, the company is Pinstorm Technologies Pvt Ltd,to know more about plz visit www.pinstorm.com and is amongst Red Herring's top 100 Asia Companies for 2005. Profile 1-2 years of relevant tech experience PHP/ MySQL/ Python/ Ruby(Ruby on Rails) Design and Analysis of Products / Analytics / Microsites / Commerce sites Outstanding programming skills Team building skills Innovative and brilliant Have handled complete product cycle In-depth knowledge of search engines a plus Knowledge of blogs / forums / shopping cart tools in LAMP is another plus . Compensation: Competitive Location: Mumbai Please mail resumes to : namrata(a)pinstorm.com or call : +91 22 2640 6456 / 59 . You may want to put GLUG-BOM in the subject. Please forward this msg to everyone you know who might be interested . Regards Harsh Busa

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Re: COMING SOON! The Code Breakers - A BBC World Documentary on Free/Open Source Software and Development
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 09 May '06

09 May '06

> According to Jonathan Murray of Microsoft "The Open Source > community stimulates innovation in software, it's something > that frankly we feel very good about and it's something that > we absolutely see as being a partnership with Microsoft." Can anybody verify that Jonathan Murray did say that beyond any doubt? Not that I doubt it, but I have a friend who works in Microsoft and I can not wait to tell him about this. Regards, Debarshi

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[Fw: Important : RMS mistreated during ATI protest]
by Anurag 09 May '06

09 May '06

Forwarding mail from Vihan in verbatim.. Anurag Subject: Important : RMS mistreated during ATI protest Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:43:16 +0530 From: "Vihan Pandey" <vihanpandey(a)gmail.com> Return-path: <vihanpandey(a)gmail.com> To: "Anurag Patel" <anurag(a)gnu.org.in> Hi Anurag! Long time how have you been ? i wanted a favour. i wanted to send a mail on the ilug-bom mailing list but it got rejected because it was too big. It's an important mail if you could please send it across i would be very grateful. Regards, - vihan The mail : Hello everyone, i know its been a VERY long time since i last mailed, but here i am now - back again. This news is little over a month old and there may be those of you who may already know. However for those who don't please read this link : http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html ATI has consistently disregarded making their drivers and other software Free Software. Releasing a GNU/Linux driver for some video cards that too under proprietary terms is NOT the solution. This incident clearly proves that if we don't start taking our freedom seriously, Huxley's "Brave New World" is right around the corner. It also shows that it takes courage to d= o the right thing, stand up for what you believe in fight injustice in every way possible. i know this sounds clich=E9 but let's face it the way things = are going - companies(especially hardware one's) are becoming more and more restrictive regarding their products, as technology becomes more complex it will become harder and harder for hackers to figure out. There's no doubt that people will find walk around's or even break any restrictions imposed. But prevention IS better than cure, we have to take this issue at a social level and treat it seriously. The Free Software movement has been a beacon of inspiration in this light where other's have chosen to stay silent or less vocal. Nagrajuna's mail "OSS Philosophy Explained" makes absolute sense in this context. i saw the responses to it by the OSS community. Russ Nelson wrote that "Richard appeals to intellectuals by advocating for the concept of freedom. Intellectuals constitute a minority, say 10% of the population. We appeal to the majority by advocating for the value of freedom. The other 90% of the population whom Richard cannot reach will be convinced by the experience of freedom rather than the concept of freedom."(see : http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060424/025576.ht= ml). However understanding a concept is the 1st step actually realizing a truth. If you mearly "experience" without knowing or acknowledging you simply take things for granted and that is something what the majority of people actually do. The folly is when this happens, people don't care about that concept(in this case the concept being FREEDOM) and are happy in their "experience". However when the "experience" is lost or threatened by "Big Brother" they feel the pinch and thus it becomes important to educate and talk about it. Which is EXACTLY what the Free Software movement proactively does. Isn't it therefore prudent to start acknowledging the concept NOW rather than until its too late ? Michael Tiemann very eloquently wrote "The OSI chose to create a tent larger than the free software tent. We accepted non-free licenses because we wanted to give voice to people writing software and sharing source code who did so for reasons other than moral freedom. Is it wrong to accept works that strive for technical excellence independent of social agendas? As a scientist and an engineer (BS CSE, University of Pennsylvania 1986) I have to say no:the scientific method is, and must be independent from all moral frameworks. Does this make science immoral or amoral? Certainly there are those who apply or ignore science in immoral ways. But science itself is concerned with evidence and falsification, not morals. Open Source allows for software to be independent from freedom, while at the same time offering the kind of freedom that comes from independence" (see: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060424/025= 560.html ). True people do share code for reasons other moral ones, however the problem arises when society at large follows this trend then we tend to ignore the value of morals themselves - and the resulting society becomes a living embodiment of cayoss. i agree with the scientific method and approach of "evidence and falsification" but scientific method is a function of scientific conduct and more importantly of scientific ethics. These "moral" grounds are VERY clearly defined for study, research, experiment and process. Therefore are morals not a part of science altogether and wouldn't following them be consistent with scientific method ? Don't get me wrong, i have a lot of respect for many people in the Open Source community i also acknowledge they have given us a lot of great software and licensed it GPL. They have even brought GNU/Linux to a number of places, however i do not agree with their philosophy that ignorin= g the value system of freedom and morals for the sake of "catering to the masses" or "increasing user base" is the way to go. Going back to the original topic i think we ought send ATI a piece of our mind. i suggest each person send a mail to their Public Relations department. Its located here : http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/contact/index.html Goto the "Media Inquires" link. A basic truth about life is that if you want the right to be free you have to be willing to pay the price for it - what ever costs. History has taught us that. History has also taught us what happens when we forget about freedom, morals, ethics and their value systems. WE are responsible for the society we live in, therefore we also have to acknowledge the consequences of our actions when we choose to ignore something. If we want to live in a society that is free we have to respect that ideal. "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN(17th January, 1706 - 17th April, 1790)* *Regards, - vihan -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Re: BarCamp Mumbai
by Roshan 09 May '06

09 May '06

> BarCamp Mumbai is happening this Saturday at KReSIT > in IIT Mumbai. It's > a simple gathering of geeks to talk about geeky > stuff. Not restricted > to linux or foss, but I hope there's a good > representation from this > camp. The only prerequisite is that you don't sit > quietly in a corner. My university Exams are going on ...:(... But I have a three day break from 13 - 15th of May...wohoo! > BarCamp is about participation. Everyone needs to > either give a talk or > participate in a discussion. Just show up and write > down on the > whiteboard what you'd like to talk about/discuss. I am not pretty sure about my participation, but I think I can make an attempt to join! Can I speak something about CRM, using a PPT slide? Is a student allowed to do so? --------------------------------- If you don't know something, its always better to learn it and then experiment with components! PLAN THINGS BEFORE EXECUTION! Visit http://www.somaiya.edu You have the ability to change things so that they, not only benefit you but others as well, but you might resist to...think about it! The different distros of GNU/Linux pretty much resemble the different cultures of indians all having the same foundation (the kernel) Use OpenOffice.orgDownload it for windows from http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.0/ "Intentions are written with pencil.Commitments are carved on Stones!" - CLINT A. D'SOUZA __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com

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Coming soon! *The Code Breakers* (BBC)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 09 May '06

09 May '06

From: "Christine" <christine(a)apdip.net> Date: Mon May 8, 2006 3:49pm Subject: COMING SOON! The Code Breakers - A BBC World Documentary on Free/Open Source Software and Development COMING SOON! "The Code Breakers" A BBC World Documentary on Free/Open Source Software and Development http://www.apdip.net/news/fossdoc ========================================================================== The famous digital divide is getting wider. A two-part documentary, "The Code Breakers," to be aired on BBC World starting 10 May 2006 examines whether free/open source software (FOSS) might be the bridge? FOSS contains 'source code' that can be used, copied, studied, modified and redistributed without restriction. It has been around for over 20 years but most PC owners are not aware that the Internet search engines and many computer applications run on FOSS. "It's not that FOSS has had a bad press, it has had no press because there is no company that 'owns' it," says executive producer Robert Lamb. "But we found that in the computer industry and among the afficionados, it is well known and its virtues well understood." The crew of the independent producers who made the film went to nearly a dozen countries around the world to see how the adoption of FOSS presents opportunities for industry and capacity development, software piracy reduction, and localization and customization for diverse cultural and development needs. Stories from "The Code Breakers" include computer and Internet access for school children in Africa, reaching the poor in Brazil, tortoise breeding programmes in the Galapagos, connecting villages in Spain, and disaster management in Sri Lanka. The documentary also includes interviews from key figures around the world. Intel, IBM, Sun and Microsoft all seem to agree that FOSS is a welcome presence in computer software. According to Jonathan Murray of Microsoft "The Open Source community stimulates innovation in software, it's something that frankly we feel very good about and it's something that we absolutely see as being a partnership with Microsoft." BBC World will air the two-part documentary at the following times: Episode One Wednesday 10 May 19:30 GMT Thursday 11 May 09:30 GMT Friday 12 May 16:30 GMT Monday 15 May 01:30 and 07:30 GMT Episode Two Wednesday 17 May 19:30 GMT Thursday 18 May 09:30 GMT Friday 19 May 16:30 GMT Monday 22 May 01:30 and 07:30 GMT For local times, please lookup your country in the TV Listings on BBC World's website http://www.bbcworld.com/content/template_tvlistings.asp?pageid=668. The International Open Source Network (IOSN), UNDP Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme (UNDP-APDIP), International Development Research Centre of Canada and UNESCO have participated in the production of this documentary. Christine Apikul UNDP-APDIP

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[announce] BarCamp Mumbai
by Philip Tellis 08 May '06

08 May '06

BarCamp Mumbai is happening this Saturday at KReSIT in IIT Mumbai. It's a simple gathering of geeks to talk about geeky stuff. Not restricted to linux or foss, but I hope there's a good representation from this camp. The only prerequisite is that you don't sit quietly in a corner. BarCamp is about participation. Everyone needs to either give a talk or participate in a discussion. Just show up and write down on the whiteboard what you'd like to talk about/discuss. More details here: http://barcamp.org/BarCampMumbai See you there. Philip -- If they can make penicillin out of moldy bread, they can sure make something out of you. -- Muhammad Ali

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Reply to :- Hi, Has anyone succeeded in setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu or fedora?
by PenguinPuPPy 08 May '06

08 May '06

Well first of all I must tell you something about pacent if your friend has just gone for a new connection.Pacenet is one of the worst Companies (forget that its an ISP) i have ever seen in terms of Customer Service and can u believe that the situation was so frustrating that I actually had to meet the managing Director to solve my regular disconnection problems, even then the problem still persists.Well the list is actually very long and trust me the day MTNL starts giving an unlimited download for 24 hours ill rush to the nearest exchange.Now coming to your question well 1.) First of all you will need to call up pacenet and ask them for a Linux account(which initially they will not agree, and if they deny then please post it )well after that you should also ask for the DNS addresses cause they are required 2.) Now you will need to install Rpppoe RPM i.e (Roaring penguin point to point over ethernet) that's the protocol that ISP's use to give you a account. 3.) Now on the konsole type "adsl-setup" to setup your account 4.) Now to connect type "adsl-connect" and bingo open up firefox and enjoy !!!!!! -- To Love The Penguin(aka TUX) You Need To Be As Faithful As A Puppy

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Setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu
by Philip Tellis 08 May '06

08 May '06

Hi, Has anyone succeeded in setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu or fedora? A friend has pacenet set up on windows and she needs it set up on linux. She's not too familiar with the setup on windows or how to set it up on linux, but if anyone has ideas, I could explain it to her. This is in Andheri East if it helps. Philip -- It would seem that evil retreats when forcibly confronted. -- Yarnek of Excalbia, "The Savage Curtain", stardate 5906.5

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 37, Issue 14
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 08 May '06

08 May '06

>The PCQ Linux 2006 :-P linux distro has a version of 'wine' that runs >windows softwares directly from the fat32 partition instead of running >them within linux. > > >The advantage is that all the windows system files are available in the >windows folder. > >So if the user is using a dual boot system then she can get wine setup >to run the pacenet dialler on the mounted partition in linux. Never >tried it though. If it works, the same dialer and account can be used in >win and lin. Well wine wont help here because Pacenet dialer uses "rasdial" command in windows in its backend. This is not available in linux as far I know. So the dialer gave some weird registry errors last time I tried in wine. The only way to get online with Pacenet in linux is to get an "@linuxuser" account and use rp-pppoe. I have been using it for more than a year and it works flawlessly. Also I wanted to know one thing...24Online client uses pppoe or what? I mean do you get a global IP address when you connect from 24Online clients or is it LAN based like Sify.

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2 virtual hosts in apache2
by Arun K. Khan 08 May '06

08 May '06

Using SuSE 10.0, Apache 2.0.54. Looked through the Apache online manual on setting up virtual hosts and created a vhosts.conf file - mostly copy/paste from a template (see listing below). I have also set up bind on my LAN to resolve both "genesis" (IN A 192.168.1.65) and "linux-install" (IN CNAME genesis). I restarted apache and bind daemons after changes to their respective files. http://genesis works fine and shows index.html in "/home/www/html" but ... http://linux-install shows the same index.html as above instead of the directory listing of the Linux distribution tree I have installed @ /mnt/C. I have tried replacing * with IP# but same result. Defining "linux-install" as A record - same result. Any ideas/suggestions on could be missing in my setup? ================== begin vhosts.conf ================== NameVirtualHost *:80 <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName genesis.silverarc.biz ServerAdmin root@localhost DocumentRoot /home/www/html/ ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/genesis-error_log CustomLog /var/log/apache2/genesis-access_log combined HostnameLookups Off UseCanonicalName Off ServerSignature On <Directory "/home/www/html/"> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName linux-install.silverarc.biz ServerAdmin root@localhost DocumentRoot /mnt/C ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/linux-install-error_log CustomLog /var/log/apache2/linux-install-access_log combined HostnameLookups Off UseCanonicalName Off ServerSignature On <Directory "/mnt/C"> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> </VirtualHost> ================== end vhosts.conf ================== Thanks. -- Arun Khan Linux is like a wigwam - no gates, no windows, apache inside

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[off-topic]Openings - Riyadh
by mifthas haris 08 May '06

08 May '06

Hi We have a requirement for 3 exceptional candidates with the following qualification/skill sets. 1. MS/M Tech degree In Mechanical Engineering (Fluid Mechanics and Thermal Science) (2 nos.) 2. Programmers (C, C++ and fortran) (2 nos.) Compensation based on experience and skill. The positions available are in Riyadh, at a regional operation centre (ROC) viz., satellite earth station. Those interested may send their CV to mifthas(a)gulfxpert.com, not to the list. regards Mifthas Haris <mifthas(a)gulfxpert.com>

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu
by Chirag Wazir 08 May '06

08 May '06

On 8 May 2006, Philip Tellis wrote: > ... > 6. solution: download on windows and copy to linux > 7. problem: linux cannot read NTFS > ... One possible solution to this part of the problem would be to go the other way - you could try a Windows program to write to Linux: * Explore2fs (http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm) * Ext2 Installable File System for Windows (http://www.fs-driver.org) Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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[OT] Wah MTNL wah ILUG-BOM
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 07 May '06

07 May '06

Hello all, This is one example to show that MTNL has improved its CC and how this list helped me in solving a problem. Today I was at a client's place where I was installing a second hand pc (W 98) The pc had a usb port only so the driver was loaded but come what may, no sites would open as dns would not resolve. The client uses a voip box independently connected to the adsl's etherner port. Acording to the client the net was running till the old pc conked off a few months ago. So I reinsatlled the drivers, tried everything possible to get the usb net working. The ethernet side was working as he could make international calls. Finally after more than a hour, I called up mtnl's CC. He asked me to check various settings till we came to WAN settings. There I was surprised to see the connection type was 'bridged'. I asked the CC if it should be PPPoE and he agreed. The user_name/passwd was added and the net was up and running. But now the voip stopped working. >From this list I had read about bridging and using pppoe in the comp. itself. So the raspppoe drivers were downloaded and installed. The adsl was again set to bridged mode and the 'raspppoe' command was run. It searched for available servers and I selected the first one and created a dialup connection. The user_name and passwd were added and now the net as well as voip box is usable. The NDIS patch too was downloaded to enable smooth operation in 98. All this was possible thanks to this list and its informative discussions. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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[OT][Job][Commercial] Technology Solution Analyst- Junior & Senior
by Saugata C 07 May '06

07 May '06

[OT][Job][Commercial] Technology Solution Analyst- Junior & Senior NatureSoft Pvt.Ltd. is presently looking for bright & intuitive "Solution Analyst". Mandatory Requirement: 1. Excellent written and spoken English communication. 2. Good academic track record till (10+2+4). 3. Good knowledge in any 2 programming languages. 4. Good knowledge in IT security and latest news of software industry around the world. 5. Expert in using "Google" search facility. 6. Ready for relocation in Chennai (India) and Singapore. 7. Artistic sense in work. Nice to have: 1. Public speaker on "open source & free software", 2. Coordinator of any LUG in India or abroad. 3. Extensive hands-on around Linux (Mainly) and XP. 4. Proved hacking (Ethical) track record. 5. Active contributor to any open source project in last 2-3 years. 6. Contributor to any journal on any specific technology (or HOWTO) in last 1-2 years. 7. Knowledge about security, forensics, CMS [ezPublish], ERP [Compiere] are added points, 8. Certification like LPI, Oracle, etc. are added advantage. 9. TOEFL, IELTS score if any. Roles and Responsibility: 1. Requirement elicitation & drafting the Technical Solution Specification. 2. Research on possible alternative solution(s). 3. Estimation. 4. Feasibility Study. 5. Demonstration of working system. Available Posts: 1. 4-6 years Experience - Solution Analyst 2. 0-1 year, freshers, Junior Solution Analyst. Please directly contact within 15th May 2006: Mr. Rajesh P. Rao. Head of Human Capital Management. NatureSoft Pvt. Ltd. Phone: +91 44 2461 7195 Mobile: +91 9841045859 Email: [1]rajeshrao_p(a)naturesoft.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- NatureSoft's Company profile and customer base: [2]<http://www.nature-soft.com/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- References 1. mailto:rajeshrao_p@naturesoft.net 2. http://www.nature-soft.com/

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FOSS Documentary on BBC World
by Francis 07 May '06

07 May '06

Hey All , I think many of us would be intrusted in watching this Documentary on BBC world **The Code Breakers** Microsoft has dominated the world of computing for many years, with its heavily guarded 'code' being beyond reach to many in the developing nations. In some of the poorest countries the cost of upgrading an operating system to keep up with the rest o fthe world amounts to a year's wages, and there are few legitimate options. In Thailand for example, 95 percent of software on computers is pirated. The poorest countries are now beginning to use free or open source software (FOSS), a software that parallels many of Microsoft's programmes but with the major difference being that they are distributed free of charge and can be altered by computer programmers who are allowed unfettered access to the 'source code'. In this two-part documentary, Code Breakers includes stories and interviews from around the world where FOSS is making an impact, from disaster management in Sri Lanka to tortoise breeding programmes in the Galapagos. Thursday 11th May at 0100 Repeated: Thursday 11th May at 1500; Saturday 13th May at 0100^; Monday 15th May at 0700# & 1300 Francis Pereira

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[OT] Unlimited broadband
by Satish Alwani 06 May '06

06 May '06

I cant see any unlimited broadband usage plans by mtnl. is there some kind of hidden plan? or are you guys referring to 590NU ?

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Kernel compilation with grub.
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 06 May '06

06 May '06

Hello All, I just compiled the latest kernel 2.6.16.11 from source and its created a vmlinuz-2.6.16.11 file along with a link vmlinux in the /boot folder. Since 'make bzImage' only creates a kernel image, the 'make install' was used finally to get it into the boot folder for grub. In grub's menu.lst, I configured the kernel as /boot/vmlinuz and root=/dev/hdan where n is my partition and its the same entry as in my existing kernel entry. The image entry is #shed as there was no img created. When I boot into the new kernel, after a series of initial text, it gives a kernel panic at the root= entry. Its the same as before so why can't it mount the VFS on that partition? It cannot recognise hdan. (n is a number) Any clues? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 06 May '06

06 May '06

I am from same area. I have setup my pacenet connection in fedora. They use pppoe. You have to call them up and tell them that you want to use linux. They will give a new username like "yourusername@linuxuser" Then you can login using Rp-PPPOE from the new ID. BTW Ubuntu has pppoe builtin I think , so once you get your new usename just issue command "pppoeconf" as root and it guides you through a wizard. I was never able to connect from Ubuntu though as it kept on giving errors regarding maximum MTU/MRU. I didnt try later in Ubuntu but I think an MTU of 1412 will do it. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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Need Linux Server
by neel s Gurjar 06 May '06

06 May '06

Hi I work in public charitable trust. We need some space on linux server to host our website. For this to whome I should contact ? Please reply Neel

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How to make own Linux Sever ?
by neel s Gurjar 06 May '06

06 May '06

hi How can I make our own linux server to host our website ? What will be the administrative & technical procedure ? Please Help Neelesh

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[OT] Hosting a Web server with MTNL Triband connection
by Antriksh Bajaj 05 May '06

05 May '06

Hi, I have an MTNL Triband connection (DSL 590 NU) with a D-Link 502T ADSL Router. I want to host a web server on my PC. I am using Apache as the web server software. The index page loads without any problem with the loopback address(127.0.0 1) and the local address assigned by the router(192.168.1.2). But when I try to access the index page with the actual IP address (59.176.x x) it shows up the Router's configuration page but not the index page. I have also tried doing the Port Forwarding or setting up a Virtual Server for port no. 80 but still it doesn't works. The router uses DHCP for assigning IP addresses and theseare the ATM settings: PVC - Pvc0 VPI - 0 VCI - 32 Virtual Circuit - Enabled WAN Setting - PPPoE/PPPoA Any help or clues ? Regards, Antriksh

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[OT] Unlimited broadband
by Dinesh Joshi 04 May '06

04 May '06

Hi, It seems that BSNL has launched an unlimited 256Kbps connection(http://bsnl.co.in/newsdetailed.php?news_id=296). The cost is 900 bucks a month and it includes a landline at zero rental. MTNL has also launched its version of unlimited 256Kbps connection at 1399 bucks a month. Unlimited connection mean no caps on data or time and an always on connection. Now why are the Mumbai subscribers being left behind? Hopefully they should be launching an unlimited scheme soon. Anyway, the reason for this post is that I see many people using MTNL Triband connections. I was wondering if they could give me some heads up on the quality of Triband. I have heard that their upside is that they good speeds & uptime but their down side is pathetic customer care. Is that correct? On a 256K connection do you guys get constant 30-32KBps speeds or do they drop? Is anyone using Airtel DSL? They have a similar scheme and are probably launching in our area in about a month or so. But I've seen that the general opinion about airtel is that they have good CC & availability but bad speeds. For me, availability, speeds matter a lot. CC comes later but I surely dont want to run to the Prabhadevi exchange everytime something goes wrong with my connection / router. I simply dont have the time or inclination to visit their exchanges. What say you guys? Any good / bad experiences? Tips? Please let me know. -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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[OT] ISO/IEC makes ODF an international standard
by Arun K. Khan 04 May '06

04 May '06

Quote from link below: "The OASIS OpenDocument format (ODF), which has made major inroads into worldwide government and education vertical markets in the last 12 months, was ratified May 2 as international file format standard ISO/IEC 26300 by two respected standards groups." http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8184331228.html -- Arun Khan (knura at yahoo dot com) This life is a test. It is only a test. Had this been an actual life, you would have received further instructions as to what to do and where to go.

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Re:[OT] Unlimited broadband
by Roshan 03 May '06

03 May '06

Oh, I forgot to mention this! They also give you a free email account (4 MB). The interface of this is pretty simple, clean and soothing. It took two weeks for TRIBAND to be activated for me , after registration. I have been using since October 2005, and its really good. Installation charges are 500 - one time installment (for router) 300 - DSL testing and installation (in the first month's bill). One the LINE is ready for TRIBAND, they call up and inform that they are testing for ADSL line, and then send a person who would get along the ADSL router and configure the internet! __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com

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Re:[OT] Unlimited broadband
by Roshan 03 May '06

03 May '06

> Hi, > Anyway, the reason for this post is that I see many > people using MTNL > Triband connections. I was wondering if they could > give me some heads > up on the quality of Triband. I have heard that > their upside is that > they good speeds & uptime but their down side is > pathetic customer > care. Is that correct? On a 256K connection do you > guys get constant > 30-32KBps speeds or do they drop? The quality of triband is good! The uptime is "virtually" 24 hours/7 days a week/ 365 days a year. I get speeds of 25 KB/sec - 30 KB/sec most of the times. For a few downloads, at times, it runs down to 16 KB/sec. >What say you guys? Any good / bad experiences? Tips? > Please let me know. I have heard of their customer service as "bad" and claims are made that they have absolutely "NO knowledge" about GNU/Linux! That is true! But I have heard of bad experiences of triband users from the western suburbs of Mumbai (Khar, Santacruz; for example) But I suppose, it shouldn't be difficult to configure the LAN card in GNU/Linux or leave it to DHCP! In my experience of customer service, I faced a problem once of not being able to open any website due to a faulty PVC connection, it was solved pretty systematcially over 1504. I was using Firefox to do the configurations, and to my suprise, the lady on the other side of the phone, knew what "Firefox" is! (wow!). This makes me think, for a while, they not dumb as one might think! Cm'on ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com

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RHCE papers leaking..
by Mrugesh Karnik 03 May '06

03 May '06

Hi, I am a member of a certain Yahoo Group called LinuxVadapav. (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LinuxVadapav/). Yesterday (or maybe the day before), one of the members posted the entire RHCE examination paper to the group. Take a look at this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linuxvadapav/message/1369 This kind of activity is very damaging. This is not just an issue of someone posting the paper on the internet, but I know of 'institutes' where students are given the paper to study before they give the exam. This degrades the value of the certificate and should be stopped. I hope people on this list take notice of this. I wonder if any Red Hat people are around. -- ---------------------------------------- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net ----------------------------------------

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extended desktop
by Amit Karpe 03 May '06

03 May '06

Hi , My friend have some problem with "extended desktop" . ___ I have a laptop with 915g express chipset. I have enbled dual head using system-config-display Dual head is woking but second secreen is clone of first. even after enbaling xinerama and disabling clone it is still showing clone on sencond monitor. I have changed the resolution of second screen(800x600) by editing xorg.conf. But it still showing exact clone of first moniter (1024x768). I have fresh intalled fc5. ___ thanks -- Amit. ______________________________________________________ param vaibhavam netum etat swaraashtram samrthaa bhavatwaashishaa tebhrusham || Bharat Maata Ki Jay ||

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[OT]One CPU two Monitors, two keyboard-mouse
by Rajkumar Adsule 03 May '06

03 May '06

Hi luggers, I have a small space and wants to add more numbers of pc's. "One CPU and two monitors/keyboard/mouse will solve my problem" but don't know what this system is called is? and also availability and price? Anybody know this ? Thanx in advance. regards -- Rajkumar Adsule (RHCT) Mobile: 92242 53640

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3D Rendering Drivers.
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 02 May '06

02 May '06

Hello All, At the linux meet at HBCSE Rajeev had given a very nice demo of the new display drivers of linux that are well suited for 3D rendering. One application demonstrated was a 3D file browser that works like a walk through into a room with files and folders shaped like 3D objects. This type of 3D walk through has tremendous potential for corporate films and demos. Future operating manuals for electronic equipment could also be in 3D form. One important potential for this is in the shopping mall industry. Instead of visitng a crowded mall, getting trolleys entangled and walking for a few hours, an exact replica of the mall can be made available to the customers in the form of a CD or DVD depending on the content size. The mall walk through will have features like virtually removing the product from its shelf and turning it around to examine it. A more advanced feature may also allow the virtual shopper to open the jars or boxes and see the actual content inside, something the mall will not allow otherwise. The software can be made available as a direct installation or to make it platform independent and live, it can be made into a live linux distro that does not do anything except detect minimum hw like kb, mouse, usb and concentrates fully on providing the maxiimum video and sound drivers and the actual application that will run live. No desktop or any normal os features or services or packages. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets. http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

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Help on SoundCard Detection on RHL 9.2
by Gòþï 02 May '06

02 May '06

Hi ! I have just installed Red Hat Linux 9.2 . i have a problem with Sound Card Detection. When i click on System Settings > Sound Card Detection , it says "NO Sound Cards were Detected" i have an Intel 865 MB with on board Sound. Please Advice -- Thanks , GK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you aim to fly, then don't hang around with chickens. Why? Because chickens can't fly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://spaces.msn.com/gopimumbai/

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GLUG NITH: some help & advice
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 May '06

02 May '06

Hi, The GNU/Linux Users Group of National Institute of Technology, Hamirpur is now accessible at http://www.glug-nith.org/. It is still early days and a lot of things are left to be done. One thing we have not yet put is a copyright notice. Since we have taken a few sentences here and there from Wikipedia and http://www.gnu.org/, would that be an infringement of copyright? Or do we need to give Wikipedia's name in the credit and mention that they hold the rights. Secondly, will it be ok to distribute RHEL ISOs on the site? It is our understanding that since Linux is GPL'ed it should not be a problem, although Redhat's support would not be available. Are we correct? Bye, Debarshi

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[OT] Where can I get compressed air canisters?
by Arun K. Khan 01 May '06

01 May '06

Pls. excuse this way off OT question. I realize there are quite a few HW geeks in this list. If you know of a place in Mumbai that sells compressed air canisters (to clean computers and such) please let me know. The other day I enquired at some of the stores at Lam. Rd. and none of them could tell where such a thing is available. TIA -- Arun Khan Linux is like a wigwam - no gates, no windows, apache inside

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Re: Port numbers bound in Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 01 May '06

01 May '06

> Umm...shouldn't that be 4000? Servers are generally > created on a fixed > port. Thats why they are called servers... Ah, I had tried this earlier, and had made a check, with netstat -a, command to find out whether this was available. But, then, it did not create a server. Tried, this today again, and now it does, create a server on port 4000, but still takes around 7-8 minutes. > Umm...isn't that kinda obvious. If you start it at > port 0, it will take > a long time to determine a free port. The reason, I used port 0 is because, I could get the server started on 4000 and Redhat did not make it visible to me whether it had bound some application to that port. Port 0 ultimately, gave a choice to the OS to find out port for me :) > And eewwww...you should've mentioned that you're > doing this in Java... I thought, Java was preferred for networking programming and assumed, this would be true atleast for the years to come by. Is it true? > I dont think you need to do it in Java but you never > mentioned which > language you were using. So I assumed C. Ah, for the moment, I don't think, I would be doing it in C, atleast till I am sure, I can do it. > Anyway, try googling the next time. This is the > right way to build a > client / server: I do google, a lot more, but solutions seem to be passive, which does seem to help all the time. At these times, I post to the list! __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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