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Re: want to install yahoo messenger on ubuntu 6.06 how
by Roshan 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

> > hello, > I just installed ubuntu 6.06 on my friend's desktop. > the internet is working and she wants to know how > yahoo messenger can > be installed. > I went to the yahoo web site and tried to download > the debian version > of yahoo messenger. > Why not use Gaim, Kopete that comes along with > (K)Ubuntu? Kubuntu has Kopete pre-installed, so using Kopete would be the best option. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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LTSP Servers with limit on RAM usage by a single workstation
by Chirag 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

Is there any facility in LTSP Server to have a limit on the RAM to be used by the client. I mean If we have 20 Clients connected to a single workstation can we put a maximum RAM usage limit for that client so that it does not hampers the overall network performance Thanks in advance Bye for now CSJakharia Subscribe to bermudaEmail: [input] [input] Browse Archives at groups.google.com --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

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Krishnakant: quoting
by Satya 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:52:14PM +0530, krishnakant Mane wrote: >On 20/09/06, jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> wrote: >You absolutely must get the chipset details. U are more than likely to >come to grief in the future otherwise. And that is irrespective of >wether it works now or not. Since gnu/linux get updated almost every >day, if the board has closed specs u are sunk. >but I am not going to keep on updating the system. by the way I am >not using these boards for making computers any ways. Krishnakant, please quote your messages correctly. The usual way is as I have done above, with an attribution line saying who wrote the portion I'm quoting, and a relevant excerpt set off by the '>' sign. With some spacing so it's easier to read. (I know others here don't put spacing between quoted material and their reply. That makes all the text run together, hard to read. Believe me, if it's not easy to read I'm not going to.) -- Satya. http://www.thesatya.com/ Discoveries are made by not following instructions

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knopix on USB with reference to the kernel compilation challenge thread.
by krishnakant Mane 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

On 19/09/06, jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> wrote: U mis understood. There is no 64 mb knoppix. But u could customize knoppix easily. ok here is what I need. the system will be a cli no graphical desktop involved. and it is also going to have a simple program which is menu driven, no bash. and of course the festival screen reader. and I want the kernel also to have very limited modules. Krishnakant.

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want to install yahoo messenger on ubuntu 6.06 how?
by krishnakant Mane 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

hello, I just installed ubuntu 6.06 on my friend's desktop. the internet is working and she wants to know how yahoo messenger can be installed. I went to the yahoo web site and tried to download the debian version of yahoo messenger. however it did not work. she is also now the member of ilug but seams her messages awaite moderator's approval. so any reply to this thread will any ways go to her. Please suggest the solution. thanking all. Krishnakant.

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Hall of fame
by Kenneth Gonsalves 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

hi, we have launched a hall of fame for foss in India. It is here: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/HallOfFame please do contribute -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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[commercial] Looking for CGI / PERL /PHP programmer
by Anupam Gupta 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

Dear Friends A swedish company is looking for a programmer on 3 month contract. The person should know CGI / PERL/ PHP and have knowledge of Linux scripting. Two to Four years of experience is desirable. Exposure to Firewall, VPN's, Proxy, Spamming technologies would be desirable but not pre-requisite. with warm regards anupam 093229 50115

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: a funny insident with me, gnu/linux debate.
by VKB 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

>> talking about getting schools to use linux, well that's the way to go. >> today the main reason why there is all this problem of gnu/linux is >> not this and gnu/linux can't do that is because there are less >> gnu/linux users on the desktop. this can only change if students are > > Personally, I would rather see Linux on the corporate desktop. And on > government desktops. Once you have those in place, the rest of the world > will follow. > Both have their roles... I'd rephrase that as : "WHAT (reach Corp/Govt desktops) and HOW (via schools)". Many (commercial) software companies have special discounted pricing under the "academic/educational" category. This comes from their market-researched and calculated view to capture students/learners early in their lives. When these users reach corporate or government desktops in their careers they tend to specify/use the software tools they are already exposed/familiar (from their school/study days). I've continue to do my 2p worth to promote open standards in both those spaces, when I teach, and when I consult. So far having more success with the former than the latter (wrt desktops). --- vkb

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A small exposure to GNU/Linux
by VKB 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

> Re: [ILUG-BOM] A small exposure to GNU/Linux > On Monday 18 September 2006 14:24, Roshan wrote: >> The question that I have ask is this. We had a DLP >> Projector that could not synchronize with the hardware >> and the display always went out of Range for Ubuntu >> 6.06. > > I know that sucks a lot :( I have encountered this problem on certain > occassions. As somoene else also mentioned. Its teh modelines. > I could get the external projector to work if I (re)booted my laptop after the external device was connected. I use Ubuntu 6.06 on my cheap (<Rs.35K) laptop. (Acer TravelMate 2410, Celeron 1.4GB, 256MB, 40GB) BTW with Ubuntu6.06 on this laptop, except for WinModem, all the hardware on this laptop works and was/is usable without any special procedures. (even the MTNL/Dlink ADSL router via USB works fine). --- vkb

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Alsamixer does not show all sliders.
by Nadeem M. Khan 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

Hi. Continuing with my sound woes with suse 10.1... My alsamixer does not show all controls. it shows only pcm and capture. There is no "main" control. I am not able to play sound at max volume. I think the hidden "main" slider is the reason for that. My sound card as detected by alsaconf is "snd-hda-intel". Any pointers? Regards, NMK.

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Re: How to design multilingual website
by Vivek Rai 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

> > Use Drupal. Go to drupal.org and drupal.in > I second that.. (IF the site you are designing is a fresh one, and can easily fit into a CMS like drupal). I had used its i18n once, is straightforward. If this is for Indian languages, you may also check joomla, has more indic translations of the core interface. These use an internal mysql database, but you also have several caching options to tune for performance.

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Re: Installation voes.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

> the display and lan are the major problem. One of my friends have a Intel 915GV Pentium 4 HT machine, and although I have never seen him encounter any issues with his LAN card, but he does have trouble with his resolution at times. As far as I remember, Fedora Core 5 managed just fine, but Ubuntu 6.06 had issues. This was solved using a program called 915resolution. It is there in the Ubuntu repositories, so one can use Synaptic to install it. There is a similar program called 855resolution meant for Intel 855 based boards. Regards, Debarshi -- Anything free is worth what you pay for it.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] challenge: customise ubuntu basic system to run from USB
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

Is there any specific reason to use Ubuntu? If not then you can try http://www.pendrivelinux.com/, which has HOWTOs with Puppy Linux and Knoppix. For Fedora based systems, there is a tool called Kadischi which generates a customised live CD from a specified repository of RPMs. Kadischi is still in beta stage, but they are planning to make it capable of generating live USB devices and not only CDs. Cheers, Debarshi -- Anything free is worth what you pay for it.

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apache with local vhost files
by Kenneth Gonsalves 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

hi, i have a server where numerous domains are served through apache virtual hosts. This is on debian sarge. So I make one file per domain in sites-available and symlink to sites-enabled. This is getting to be a bit of a bore. I would like the users to make their own vhost files and keep them in their home directories and to symlink from there to sites-enabled. My problem is this: if the user misconfigures, then how do i prevent him from crashing my apache? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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A small exposure to GNU/Linux
by Roshan 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

This post is sent to three lists (GNU/Linux , FSF-EDU, FSF-FRIENDS) because I wanted to share this experience and also have a small question. I was asked to present a seminar on a topic assigned to me. The seminar topic doesn't have much relevance to this post, but there was something different that I tried. In a way, I have exposed "Free Software, Ubuntu LIVE CD" distro to my classmates and one of my professor. I didn't speak about GNU and Free Software, but I did mention about considering (GNU/Linux) as an alternative to Windows. One mistake I committed, was I being a bit bais to GNU/Linux and pin-pointing _only_ Microsoft to be responsible for proprietary software. The question that I have ask is this. We had a DLP Projector that could not synchronize with the hardware and the display always went out of Range for Ubuntu 6.06. Why?..Doesn't ubuntu run on DLP's? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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How to design multilingual website
by Ashok kumar 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

hii, I want to design a multilingual website and finding very very difficult how to go about it. Have any one done this before ? if yes !!! what are the points one has keep in mind while designing such website.

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challenge: customise ubuntu basic system to run from USB disk
by krishnakant Mane 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

hello all. I am putting this challenge with reference to my portable book reader project. I want a way to customise my basic ubuntu system and run it from a USB flash card that is put in mobiles or in cameras. or may be a pen drive? the system will be as follows. 1> a kernel having only those modules required to boot from a USB disk and having sound, display, and other necessary things. the kernel wont have network drivers or even ide drivers. no cd rom drivers. 2. I want to make such an OS on the computer and then port it to usb. 3. I know I wont be able to boot this small system from my hard disk after saying that I will exclude ide drivers. I want a way in which I can create a chroot jail in my existing ubuntu box and try things around a bit. then some how may be format the USB disk with ext2 and then put it on there. or may be make an iso image like what slax does and put it on the pen drive with the help of unionfs. any ideas? Krishnakant.

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Re: does any one know debian cd vender in Mumbai?
by Roshan 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

Hello Mr. Krishnakant, I have actually managed to find a link though, I cannot guarantee the CD / DVD quality because I personally do not have any experience of purchasing it from this Vendor. The Vendor is Kiraninfotech and they have their website where you can order Debain CDs. http://www.kiraninfotech.com/store/ What actually brings me to this vendor is that he's listed on Knoppix's Website for purchasing Knoppix CD's from India. Forturnately, he's located in Mumbai. http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-vendors/index-en.php Hope this Helps. Thirdly, the most underused resource of this mailing list is the wiki. You can access the following link and contact Mr. Mehul for debain CDs. http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/CDs_Available __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Get a file through FTP
by Gòþï 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

Hi, i have some problem in FTPing a file, googling could not help around. I have a shell script wriiten on my linux machine(Server A) that get's a csv file from another server(Server B). Every minute , a csv file is updated on Server B and every 30 secs the Server A gets the file from B. Off late, my shell scripts throws an error and does not get the file. but next time i restart the shell, it goes fine . the log file shows the error "550 abc.csv: The system cannot find the file specified" i am also posting the error log file , please advice . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ########################################################## FTP start Time: 09:30:00 Current time: 11:13:16 Time difference : -6196 FTP start Time: 09:30:00 FTP end time: 23:30:59 Time difference : -50459 FTP end Time: 23:30:59 Current time: 11:13:16 Time difference : 44263 ########################################################## Fetching remote file: c:/Inetpub/ftproot/abc.csv Before ftp FTP_MACHINE:X.X.X.X FTP_USER:abc FTP_USER_PASSWD:xxxxxx FTP_FILE_REPOSITORY:/home/xxxx/xxxx/data REMOTE_FILE_NAME:abc.csv Connected to X.X.X.X 220 XXXXX Microsoft FTP Service (Version 5.0). 331 Password required for polluser. 230-Welcome To XXX FTP 230 User abc logged in. Local directory now /home/xxxx/xxxx/data 200 Type set to I. Carriage Return stripping off. 227 Entering Passive Mode (X,X,X,X,6,86). 550 abc.csv: The system cannot find the file specified. 221 FTPed file not found, exiting FTPed file not found, exiting ____________________________________________________________ -- Thanks , GK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you aim to fly, then don't hang around with chickens. Why? Because chickens can't fly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://spaces.msn.com/gopimumbai/

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a funny insident with me, gnu/linux debate.
by krishnakant Mane 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

hello every one. relax and just chil out with the following real joke that took place with me on 15th. at a school where I was advocating gnu/linux over m$ with one of the "naukars of MR bil dada". I was at a function for my falisitation from my own school in dadar. the guest of honour was some one from microsoft since they donated 100 computers with windows of captivity to the school. as usual I was explaining the authorities at my school why they should not teach windows to young students and do bad sanskars on them. actually one of the dignitories MR. Nitin Shah was also an associate of redhat linux. so I had one person to speek for me as well. the ms guy started to show me down by saying you un organised geeks don't even know what Information Technology means to people. and u can only develop academic toys for college students who want to know what is an OS like. your system can't offer any thing except a toy box. I told him "sir, there was a hindi film called divar just few years back, I just transfered one of its famous dylogs into IT" MR. Bil Gaits: "mere pas word hain, excel hain, access hain, power point hain, SQL server hain, tumhre pas kya hain bolo kya hain tumhare pas!" I say "mere pas freedom hain". this just came out sponteneously and out of the box. the entire staff was in throws of laughter. and it was then that they asked me what did I say that even some one from MS can't answer. the rest is not history but will be future. enjoy. Krishnakant.

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Re: Installation voes.
by Roshan 19 Sep '06

19 Sep '06

> Hello All, > > I wanted to introduce linux to an office so on a P4 > machine with Gigabyte 915 mobo and 1 GB RAM For the above configuration I would suggest trying Kubuntu 6.06 or Ubuntu 6.06. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 41, Issue 46
by zeeshan chawdhary 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

there a website for engineering that offers Linux DVD's and CD's at nomincal charges it www.techbirbal.com

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does any one know debian cd vender in Mumbai?
by krishnakant Mane 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

hello, I have a requirement of pressed cds of debian or ubuntu server. actually I tried searching the shipit web site for ubuntu server cd but they don't ship server cd. is there a way to contact ubuntu and ask for server cd with printed cover? actually I have a project on my hands where I am going to implement an erp system. the customer even after reading the gpl is not convinced that the cd I am giving will hold the same value. the old man believes that as a director he can't take a risk on this. just like the ubuntu desktop cd I gave him, he feel that if the cd for server also has a similar make and the same printed cover, it will be licensed. now I am not finding ubuntu server cds like this. so may be I will choose debian cd set. by the way I want to try out debian installation. may be jtd will help me out with instructions for tellingthe installer to install 2.6 kernel and using priority as medium so that I get to choose which components I can install. I think there are some kernel parameters to be given? regards. Krishnakant.

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Royal society Journals online [OT]
by jtd 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

Nearly three and a half centuries of scientific study and achievement is now available online in the Royal Society Journals Digital Archive following its official launch this week. http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/index.cfm?page=1373 -- Rgds JTD

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 17 Sep '06

17 Sep '06

> > B. To enable the e-governance > > egov works fine even without a single identity. You need one per > department. > and have totally unnecessary duplication of systems and data.. not only will it be costlier, it will also give very little value addition, if some department for industries cannot cross reference your records from other department (law, taxes, whatever) also let us see how practical that is, total number of central government departments == a few hundred avg. number of state government departments == a few hundred (multiply this by number of states) having separate identity per department is like the old 1990's systems in big companies before LDAP.. ie, u had a separate login to each system.. today all major corporations are moving towards single sign-on for different intra company systems.

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 16 Sep '06

16 Sep '06

> This is sure not an academic exercise. > > We MUST design an Open Source Prototype for this and present it to the > potential customer (Government of India?). The complete system should > be practical and economically viable. > I think we need to figure out what this can be used for, before we get into other details. I can think of 2 use cases for such system 1) social or business networking (orkut, linked in types).. a more casual usage in this case, you probably want to keep its contect voluntary and open.. (ie members can put in whatever they want) If I can get your hotmail password or something else based on getting the answer to your secret question (mothers maiden name, date of birth, pets name).. it is your problem. 2) a system used by government .. ie legally binding.. ( in future, maybe other services like credit rating agencies, organizations trying to verify your identiry?).. this is more formal.. its content are deemed to be reliable by everyone.. it could be used by police across the country to track criminals.. in this case, you may keep a read-only access to the publicly avaialable info.. maybe more access to some paid subscribers (potential customers would be someone issuing a credit card, home loan, or a car loan to you and hence trying to do an identity check/credit or criminal history check on you) unique id for a citizen? well.. we dont have any unique ID so far.. US has a social security #, UK has a national Insurance #... maybe this is the major benefit of having such a system in the first place - as it can be a single identity for people having (or not having) various diverse id's .. (passport#, DL#, voter id# (for 18+), PAN# (for the few tax payers)).. why not have some biometric ID to make it really foolproof.. u can confidently say that ram ral, s/o shyam lal, living in pin code 100 020 (and with the given biometric ID details) has id 100 and has no criminal records or bad credit history.. so it is safe to lend money to him.. whereas ram lal s/o manmohan singh has defaulted on that previous loan paid to him.. in fact his current address is tihar jail.. but, then you can only design a technical framework to hold this data, and access/amend it. implementation details such as who enters and keeps on updating data would depend on sarkari babus sitting in the villages who are normally happier to exploit and harass the citizens than in serving them.

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 16 Sep '06

16 Sep '06

> > (as we dont have a proper centralized credit history system in India, and that hurts our economy badly) > It doesnt. i'd suggest you read this story, and then do some research. http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=140179 in summary, credit risk is higher in india for lack of identity and credit history systems. thats why penetration of so many banking products is very low.. poor people are left to borrow money from loan sharks at exhorbitant rates.. when banks lend money to the middle class, they rip us off.. in west, long term (25 yr) home loan rate is usually ~ 1% more than the central bank's base lending rate.. in india the banks (having to account for all the risks), charge much more.. (3-5% more than base rate) > > Pleeease not those two idiotic countries. ...The UK rfid passport (afair) is such a farce > that inspite of grave flaws in the scheme they are going ahead. i presume u r talking of biometric passports, this is actually now the recommended standard by ICAO.. in time, every country WILL HAVE TO move towards it.. just that some countries are more progressive. > The shooting of the south american and raids on apparantely innocent Muslims speak > volumes for conventional physical investigation. lets stick to the topic here, so please explain how some central ID scheme was behind the shooting of the brazilian guy.. ..(in fact, had the officers involved cross confirmed the address/occupant details, it probably would have saved him!) last time i checked, india was lagging far behind these "idiotic" countries on most counts of human rights and development.. forget about security forces in insurgency prone spots, mumbai police alone kills a lot of people every year in "encounters".. in fact there are so many cases, that they arent headlines anymore.. and we dont even notice or care problems at home.. and like to feel good by focusing on ONE guy shot accidently on the day they were having 2nd round of bomb attacks in london. > > Like insurance companies and? do what? they know your credit record, if u have not paid a previous debt, they are perfectly entitled to treat you as a risky customer and charge more... > > What is your concept of perfect e-governance? > > How about Citizens monitoring the government? U dont need any id for that. please elaborate more on how this wonderful idea would work.. > There is no such facility that neccesitates an id. Provide one example. (i already had.. but, since u didnt get it.. let me elaborate) First example is actually related to privacy... to access only the online data/files that I am allowed to access.. e.g. I should be able to and restricted to see a property/revenue/PF record that I am entitled to see (that has my ID as an owner).. but not YOUR property records.. if we want a "real" e-governance, where we can have online access to government files, we would need some ID to implement access control. Also, the ID can be used to submit ANY "signed" document/form/application that you may have to submit manually to a government office.. like we already have in the case of electronic tax return filing.. we could have electronic forms to report a crime, track progress.. initiate court cases.. vehicle registrations/taxes.. land/property deeds, queries/forms for pensions/provident funds... electoral rolls.. whatever u ever need a government for.. a sample of such services available to citizens of some other countries is : http://www.direct.gov.uk/Homepage/fs/en e.g, you can setup a company online in 10 minutes, and you can do ALL taxes - personal income tax, excise, customs, company tax, VAT, road tax, online.. u can even request your local council to repair a road or streetlamp online.. a gvoernment website/portal effectively becomes a services counter of a government department.. > > Oh, so the next time you go to a doctor, your identity is established by > using this card. Then the insurance comany uses the same primary key. > Then you file your tax returns. you are totally missing the point. Even if we ASSUME for a minute that that a doctor really NEEDS to verify your identity before he treats you, (since when are u having the fever? and whats your national ID? ohh your ID is 1002356? then u must have malaria) .. why does he NEED to include the fact that you had malaria on sep 14 at 2pm to THIS database? why does a doctor even need to have a write access to the CIS system? medical records have no place in a CIS.. > Oh, the threat isn't CIS itself. The threat is the creation of a primary key to identify a person everywhere. threat? yes, to the terrorists and illegal immigrants.. > Losing freedom, one bit at a time. The US and UK are good examples of repression today, not freedom. > again, thats just your view, and can be debated.. (e.g. movies, books and artists are not banned in US and UK just to have a political censorship on things that a government doesnt like) .. anyways, lets chose some other western countries....how about scandinavian countries?.. would you agree that they have a better governance than India?.. > Erm, there are no such restrictions. Also, these companies do not even > claim to maintain records properly. Have you even heard the horror > stories of people whose credit has been ruined because of identity > theft, or errors in these databases? yes, i do personally know of some such cases with my friends.. in all of them, the affected person hadnt really committed any credit fraud, (problems with a cheque, identity theft victim) .. it was straightforward to sort any problems with credit history.. if a bank or a company marks you as a credit defaulter for wrong reasons, it is that organization's responsiblity to sort it out.. you have mechanisms and safeguards in place.. on the other hand, by having credit histories, they have easier and cheaper access to financial products like mortgages. > Digital signatures would work fine, even though the government mandates a socially broken implementation. nice idea... ever heard of term "trusted CA".. and wondered what they are, why they are needed?.. > I don't know about you, but I do deal with people involved with this > stuff as part of my job. I can tell you that what you are saying is > bullshit, and it does exactly the reverse. vow! that is such a convincing argument! ;-) > It encourages identity theft, > credit fraud (against merchants rather than banks/CC companies), does > nothing for government services ... Although u havent explained how.. by your logic, having PAN numbers (which is a step towards a common ID for all taxpayers) was a bad idea, and actually increased black money circulation in our country? remember the first step to prevent money laundering if for banks to "know their customers" (i recommend you read about it) think harder, more carefully and without being paranoid before u call my ideas bullshit..

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Harvard study says Linux will remain second best
by Sujeet Bhatt 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

A Harvard Study which uses formal economic modelling to determine "Will OSS ever displace traditional software from its market leadership position?" came to a (not so?) surprising result. Linux is likely to remain second best as long as Microsoft has a first mover advantage. http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/4834.html

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

> > Yes, I do have things to hide. Nothing illegal, just personal stuff. can you give some specific examples of general identity data SUITABLE FOR such a system that someone may want to hide? So far, you have NOT given specific examples to explain the reason for being paranoid about this. If you don't have anything to hide, why don't you put out your medical > history, your financial information.....? I dont see how medical history is suitable for any such database.. (unless we are a nation full of 'sick' people ;-) ).. AGAIN, this CANNOT be a SECRET FILE ON EVERY DETAIL OF EVERY CITIZEN. Even for financial information, the only thing useful for CIS to keep (or help keep) would be some sort of credit history record, (as we dont have a proper centralized credit history system in India, and that hurts our economy badly) Would you be willing to be > searched randomly, because only those who have something to hide will > opposed such searches? If it is a system used to prove my credentials and credit/criminal past.. why not?.. In fact they already use such systems in UK/US etc.. You guys are forgetting that not all such information needs to be publicly available.. In the west, credit history systems CHARGE MONEY for each query that you make. Also, their are proper restrictions on their usage. If you have so much time and money that you can buy a subscription to the "full access" (meant to be for organizations like banks and police etc)... just to randomly search for details of other people.. . yes, go ahead.. Think not of how it impacts criminals, but how it impacts the innocent. by that logic, we shouldnt search air travellers before boarding the plane... 99.99% of the time, it mostly affects the innocent ... right? What is your concept of perfect e-governance? That you can download and print the forms at home, and then queue up at the government office? Or do you want to be able to submit them online too? How do you propose to implement identity verification for any such facility requiring "authorized access"? Why dont you suggest an alternative system that we can compare against? Remember, such systems are already in place in many countries. The society in these countries is doing just fine. It helps prevent identity theft, money laundering, tracks credit frauds, promotes easy financing, easy access to a lot of government services.. etc etc etc.

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Ilug-bom wiki
by Anurag 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

Hello, If anyone from this list has recently written a good tutorial and is looking for place to publish it, then please post it at our wiki. It has mostly been an unused resource till now. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Re: Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Vivek Rai 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

> Citizen Information System sounds like it provides information TO citizens. > Instead, it provides information ABOUT citizens. Yes, we should also think of a framework which makes it convinient for a government department to provide its services online to citizens. (there are many such CMS tools, a multilingual one can easily be adopted) However, depending on the kind of service, the access may need to be authorized. 1) Viewing tendors, notifications, documents - open access 2) submitting forms online etc - authorized access. To effectively handle the 2nd kind of service, a centralized system can be useful. (another potential use of CIS) > May I recommend Nineteen Eighty-Four? While you are at it, Brave New > World, Farenheit 451, Animal Farm, Lord of the Flies, The rise and fall > of the Third Reich are also good to read. Many developed countries already have such unique ID systems.. and they are nothing like the big brother society discussed in Nineteen Eighty-Four.. you cannot get to that situation in a democracy of billion plus people.. > Modification of the data can render your identity pretty useless. > Merely reading that data and correlating it across databases can cause > serious havoc. Identity theft isn't a mere buzzword. > I can understand your concerns, identity theft is indeed a serious problem in the west. Identity theft can always occur, with or without such a database.. and it depends on the checks being used to identify a person.. EVEN now, if I get a driving license with the name of Devdas Bhagat by paying a bribe at the RTO, I can use it to travel in your name.. open a bank account... etc etc. Which is why if such a database can store some biometric information.. (pictures, fingerprints for example).. it will, in fact, serve to minimize any identity theft.. if an organization still relies solely on publicly available data (address, age etc) to identify you, they are being foolish.. this is NOT the fault of the database. Still, we have to be very careful about classifying A) what data needs to be private, accessable to tax/law authorities only (financial data, things that can be mis-used) B) what MAY be made public (perhaps depending on the preference of the citizen) .. address/contact/family details.. ? C) what NEEDS TO be made available, perhaps some of it to specific agencies only, and not the public directly (loan defaults... criminal records? although one can argue that it can unnecessarily prejudice people against a "reformed" criminal ?) I am not sure if our existing cyber-crime laws address issues related to identity theft, privacy and data protection... anyways, the point is -- such a system could be very useful, of course, we would need to have the adequete safegaurds in place to prevent any misuse .. but that doesnt mean that u stop thinking about developing such a system, it merely means that u think even harder and try to plug any potential loopholes in the scheme. > About the only way your proposal could work would be if the idea of > privacy is completely destroyed. No one has any privacy, and the > database is fully accessible to everyone all the time. The only > private thing you would possess would be your thoughts. I think you are over-estimating the power of such a database.. it would be very difficult to store ALL the details of a billion people and still make it easily searchanble and useful.. So, such a database can only ever have a very few details.. (storing fingerprint/pics itself could take a lot of space) i can probably learn more about your thoughts from reading all your posts to this forum (publicly available) than by getting a few other details from a database (sex, age, ID, educational qualifications)... I cannot do anything extra with it, that i cannot do now... unless, you have stored all your credit card details on your hotmail account, and your secret question in case of forgotten passwords is your age, and your age was a best-kept secret until this CIS database went live. that would be like carrying a paper with all your PIN witten inside your wallet! u dont start arguing for a 23 different PIN based ATM system from your bank.. it only invades your privacy if you had something to hide ... you were an illegal immigrant from Bangaladesh, a terrorist who has sneaked into india and doesnt have a proper ID.. you had taken a huge loan from a bank in nagaland and had disappeared, you had a criminal past.. you are a middle aged woman who keeps on claiming she is only 26.. you were a married guy fooling around with a girl .. (if marital status/age are chosen to be "public" details)

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Re: new idea, screen reader for KDE desktop, Reminder for 16th. meet
by krishnakant Mane 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

hello, Please be at HBCSE on 16th. sep that is tomorrow. the meeting is at 5 in the evening. I had posted the ajenda in my previous email. thanking all. Krishnakant.

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Maximum volume on OpenSuse 10.1
by Nadeem M. Khan 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

Hi. Following the suggestions given by list members, I installed OpenSuse 10.1 on my HP Compaq v5000 laptop. Everything is detected nicely. Just one major problem. I am not able to get maximum volume whem I play music. All sliders on alsamixer and the speaker volume applet on the desktop next to the clock are set to maximum, but the the sound plays at say 50% of the max. Any suggestions? Its a built in Intel soundcard with Altec Lansing speakers. Regards, NMK.

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Re: Link to GPLv3 audio and video (dead link?), RMS public lecture Audio / Video CD?
by Roshan 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

> > "...Microsoft Windows is a spyware ...(Windows > XP)" > > May i know who was it that said this? RMS. He's said this because, either he has discovered it or someone has told him. You weren't there at the lecture? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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migrating thunderbird from windoze 2000 to linux
by Kenneth Gonsalves 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

hi, i saw a thread on this in the archives which says just copy the folders across. But i searched doze and couldnt find the folders. Where does thunderbird store the mail, profiles etc? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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Thunderbird has lost its thunder.
by Rony 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

Hello All, I got Mandriva 2006 and while everything is fine, since many days I notice that whenever I use thunderbird, it shows a lot of HDD activity and opening new messages and moving to the next ones is too slow, as the HDD shows busy activity. The /log/messages show the following report below as the activity takes place. I even downgraded from Thunderbird 1.5 to 1.0.6 but still same problem. Browsing is no problem. I even uninstalled clamv in case it was scanning mail but still same problem. Has my system got a linix based spyware? ( Calm down guys! ) What is the net activity below? I have set the mailbox to manual mail download only. Below is the log. Is this anything to do with the reiserfs? Sep 8 22:01:26 mandrake06 kernel: Shorewall:net2all:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.2 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=198 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=39 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=631 DPT=631 LEN=178 Sep 8 22:01:57 mandrake06 kernel: Shorewall:net2all:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.2 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=198 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=40 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=631 DPT=631 LEN=178 Sep 8 22:02:31 mandrake06 kernel: Shorewall:net2all:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.2 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=198 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=41 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=631 DPT=631 LEN=178 Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model
by Dinesh Shah 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

Hi All, This is a proposal based on the idea 1st proposed by Rony and discussed on the list. This is very important and useful idea and we must develop this idea further by the FOSS process of collective wisdom. Here is the out-line. I will put more info over a period of time. Citizen Information System (CIS): A FOSS Model Today India faces a serious challenge of identifying her citizens and her citizens have to struggle to establish their positive identities. Due to the lack of unique and verified/verifiable citizen identity the State has to face the challenges of internal and external security, leakage in revenues and wasteful expenditures, improper and/or inappropriate planing for the welfare of her citizens. At the same time, due to the lack of unique, verifiable an positive identity citizens have to cope with acquiring and managing and establishing his or her identity which leads to waste of valuable resources and seriously hampers his/her rights to enjoy the state welfare schemes and plans and impair him/her in carry out his/her duties. An unique and verifiable identity can help the country in - Securing her citizens for internal and external threats - Secure proper revenue collections and control expenditures - Can make the citizen welfare plans more effective - Can improve the law and order in the country - Can empower her citizens to enjoy their democratic rights and help Carry out their duties. An unique and verifiable identity can help the citizens in - Enjoying their constitutional and democratic rights - Empower them to fulfill their duties - Help them fully enjoy the ownership of movable and immovable properties - Reduction / elimination of harassment by various authorities - Improved state provided security - Better rewards from the country's citizen welfare plans Considering the tremendous advantages of the Citizen Identification/Information System (CIS), I would like to propose a FOSS model for developing and implementing such a system. In this paper I will propose and develop this idea in the FOSS spirit where people for all walks of life can participate in - Formulating such an Open System - Discussing social, economical and legal aspect of the CIS - Discussing implementation and management aspects of the CIS - Discussing technological details of the CIS Your feedback as usual is most welcome. With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-)

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Re: new idea, screen reader for KDE desktop
by Roshan 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

>So why not > meet at an open place like some garden? Wouldn't that require new members to be introduced to the existing members? Or would there be a sign-post that would tell where the GLUG members are actually discussing? :-? > > 16th is a Saturday, so could the timings be after > > 5:30 pm in the evening? > > Oh dear that would prevent me from attending. sunday > is all i have :-( I think the date is tentative. Not many from the list have replied. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: new idea, screen reader for KDE desktop
by Roshan 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

> > BTW when and where is the lug meet being held? > > We have no agenda for the meet as yet. Should we all > meet on 16th > itself at HBCSE? 16th is a Saturday, so could the timings be after 5:30 pm in the evening? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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new idea, screen reader for KDE desktop
by krishnakant Mane 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

hello, with a lot of accessibility related talk going out on this list, I just discovered that some thing is yet to be done. there is a big hole in the accessibility of gnu/linux desktop. while the gnome desktop is getting more and more accessible slowly, there is nothing but an un organised start made on the k desktop side. there is a speach front end for the k desktop it is called ktts. the link was given to me by roni it is http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/kttsd/index.php if any one want to have a look. so we will not be re inventing the wheal but use the wheal to build up a car. + we have the engine of the car also. I am refering to festival speach synthesizer. the mattter of fact is that it will be easiest to convert blind computer users to k desktop and thus linux, if we can provide a good screen reader. there are applications on the k desktop which make transition from windows to gnu/linux much easy as compared to gnome. and then the programmers or any one interested can be gathered together for this kind of an organisation. and the finansial aspect is that we can earn by providing this service to blind people. they can and will happily give out a few thousand rs for this service as compared to rs. 80000 + for some screen reader on windows. thanks all waiting for feedback. Krishnakant.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] make menuconfig for kernel does not work in ubuntu.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

> it is giving so many errors that I can't even post on this list. > what could be the problem? Could you post the errors verbatim? > am I missing some packages on my ubuntu 6.06 server? > I have the build-esssential package installed which probably has > installed glib libc 6 etc along with gcc 4 and make. > now I want to knwo what else is remaining? > it appears to me that even ncursis is also installed although I am not > quite sure of the same. I think the curses-devel package is also necessary. Please check if you have that or not. Cheerio, Debarshi -- It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose. - Darrin Weinberg

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Re: [OT] [Caution] For Windows users on this list.
by Roshan 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

> Do you know how much time it actually takes to start > a live CD on a P4 with > 128 MB RAM? my reply has little relevance to the topic, but I would like to share this information. It is approximately 7 minutes for the GNOME desktop to load on my P4 248 MB (256 -8 Video Memory) using Ubuntu 6.06 Live CD / and KDE on Kubuntu 6.06 Live Cd. (right from *Boot from Cd...* till the final screen of stability, where the mouse moves smoothly) >Who is going to go through the pain > (read time) required to boot > a live CD, then setup networking and what not, just > to check email? I agree...30 minutes...20 Rupees!! :-? > And plus, there are things like CMOS password and > administrator privileges > which make it very difficult for you to do that. Not so common in Cyber cafe's afaik. Possibility in College Computer Labs. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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FOSS elective textbook
by Kenneth Gonsalves 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

Hi, As you all know Anna University has offered two FOSS elective subjects in the engineering and MCA streams. The syllabi for this has been drafted by NRC-FOSS and the textbook on elective 1 has been published. We are now writing the text book on elective 2. The draft of what is done so far is on our wiki here: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/FossElectiveTwoBook Please go through what has been done and add your contributions: 1. Correct spelling 2. Correct code errors 3. Add examples and explanations In any place where there is a heading and no text, feel free to add text. please mark your corrections and add your name also, you will be credited in the book if you do so. You do not need to log in to edit the wiki. Please help us make the text book a great success. And dont crib later if you didnt help now. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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make menuconfig for kernel does not work in ubuntu.
by krishnakant Mane 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

hello all, just a few minutes back I tried to compile a kernel by using make menuconfig. it is giving so many errors that I can't even post on this list. what could be the problem? am I missing some packages on my ubuntu 6.06 server? I have the build-esssential package installed which probably has installed glib libc 6 etc along with gcc 4 and make. now I want to knwo what else is remaining? it appears to me that even ncursis is also installed although I am not quite sure of the same. I have linux2.6.16.18 kernel source which I downloaded from kernel.org since I needed a vanila kernel. any suggestions? Krishnakant.

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pam_tally & idle or inactivity close's the session
by ryan coelho 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

Hi Friends, Any one here has an idea on configuring pam_tally. I want that the user account should be locked after 3 tries and automatically reset after an hour . Another request whenever the session is idle or inactive the session should automatically close. Please help I need to configure this. Thanks & Regards Ryan Coelho.

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[OT] [Caution] For Windows users on this list.
by Rony 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

Hello All, I use this email id only for ILUG list messages and since some time I get a lot of spam in my mailbox. Other users too may be facing the same problem so those who use windows for checking list mails, please scan your computers for viruses, spyware or mallware. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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video recording on ubuntu
by Abhishek Daga 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Aim: To be able to record video on Ubuntu. Apparatus: a) China make Wireless camera and receiver. b) Receiver A/V can directly be plugged into a VCR (or any recording device). c) However, I would like to record on the PC. Currently running Ubuntu Dapper Drake. d) Have an external TV tuner Card. The receiver can be plugged in here. Procedure? I didnt see any relevant software in ubuntu that will allow me to do this. Anyone worked with this setup before? Any ideas how I can achieve this? Thanks abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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FSF Certified Trainer
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Hi, I am currently undergoing training for my company in Coimbatore. We have many courses to complete in the two month period, one of them labeled as "Linux". That course happened yesterday. It was something really new for me as I got to know some very new things about GNU/Linux Systems: => Stallman and Linus came together to make Linux => Linus was developing on Minix and then he had an idea to create Linux, which he shared with others on a mailing list and all of them started working on Linux together (rather than him announcing the first prototype on usenet). => The default Linux installation is as a server attached to dumb terminals. => The shell, etc for Linux was created after the kernel. => The default is only console. If you want GUI with Unix, you need to *buy* X-Windows. => symlinks are exactly like windows shortcuts and much more. My point is not to make fun of the professor as I believe many do not really even make an attempt to understand the history of anything, leave alone GNU/Linux. That said, trainers and teachers should be fairly accurate in all that they give to their audience. All I said above doesn't simply apply to the trainer I experienced yesterday. Everyone using GNU/Linux in the mainstream only know that they're using "Linux" and that it's simply another Unix that can be only used in servers. It actually reminds me of a comment by a very senior person in my firm -- "Linux? Why? Doesn't it require, like, expensive hardware or something?" Is it possible for FSF to take some initiative in starting a Training Certification program which will ensure that the trainers themselves are well trained? FSF would be the best choice to design such a course as it would more or less ensure that the trainer training is not Distro-centric. I understand deficiency of funds would be the first problem though. Regards, Siddhesh PS: Please don't ask or guess the company name here; I don't want that to be publicized on list. -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk http://siddhesh.phpnet.us

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10 common misunderstandings about the GPL
by പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Hi, IT Manger's journal has an article about 10 common misunderstandings about the GPL which you can read here http://www.itmanagersjournal.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/21/1659203 The experts NewsForge consulted to come up with this are: Richard Fontana, a lawyer with the Software Freedom Law Center and one of the main drafters of the third version of the license; David Turner, former compliance engineer at the Free Software Foundation who is assisting with the revisions of the license; and Harald Welte of the GPL-Violations project<http://gpl-violations.org/>, which tracks possible cases of non-compliance and tries to assist in resolving them. <quote>In the end, Turner concedes, some degree of confusion is probably inescapable. "There's always going to be people who misunderstand," he says, "no matter how you write the license, even in words of one syllable." </quote> Regards Praveen -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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Problem Installing Red Hat 9.0 on Sata Hard disk
by hemendra jain 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Dear Iluggers, PC configuration : P4 3.06GHz with 915 intel original motherboard of 102GCc type with 512MB RAM and 80GB SATA hard disk I'm trying to install Red Hat Linux 9.0 when Im inserting the bootable linux cd i get this warning..... "no hard drives have been found.You probably need to manually choose device drivers for the installation to succeed.Would u like to select drivers now? YES NO if YES then it goes into asking for the driver if NO then it goes on with linux installation aftr selection of mouse it asks for manually or automatic partition to which i select manually with disk druid to which i get the warning as "An error has occured-----no valid devices were found on which to create new file systems.Please check your hardware for the cause of this problem..." Rgds, Hemendra Jain

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Resizing NTFS with GParted
by Nadeem M. Khan 10 Sep '06

10 Sep '06

Hi. I have a 100 gig drive on my notebook. 85 gigs is ntfs, remaining space is used by the recovery partition (fat). I need to resize the ntfs partition to about 40 gigs and install linux on the remaining 40. I burned a live cd of gparted and booted from it, but it shows an exclamataion mark next to the ntfs partition. "Cannot read contents of this filesystem. Only limited functions available." I cannot shrink it any further than 8 MB. Gparted allows me to shrink the recovery partition (fat) without issues. Any ideas? Any alternatives to gparted with better ntfs support? Regards, NMK.

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initialising a file at bootup
by Pradnyesh Sawant 10 Sep '06

10 Sep '06

hello, there is a file in /proc which i want to initialise to a particular value at bootup (i have root access to the concerned system); googling suggests that i should do it using a startup script. is the script being referred to "/etc/inittab"? is there any other script file which i can use for this purpose? if there is, then what might be the pros and cons of using that script file over inittab? -- warm regards, Pradnyesh Sawant -- More important than what i am, is what i want to be! --Dumbledore to Harry in HP2

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Suitable distro for an old computer?
by Mrugesh Karnik 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

Hi, My neighbour is sick of his Windows 98 and now wants Linux on his desktop machine too, after using Kubuntu on his laptop. His is an old P3 566MHz computer with 96MB RAM. He needs to play videos, mplayer will do. For music, I need suggestions for a lightweight mp3 player. He needs something WinAmp-ish. Amarok, he loves, but its too heavy. I hate xmms and I heard bmp is not being developed these days.. I'm thinking about trying out XFCE and if it seems heavy, Fluxbox will be the default. Now the question about the distro arises, because I need all the above mentioned packages in the repository of that particular distro. Also, the packages need to be compiled for i686 rather than pentium4, like Fedora is these days, if i'm not mistaken.. Should I try out Xubuntu? Or do you have suggestions for some other distro? -- ---------------------------------------- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net ----------------------------------------

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[OT] Local cddb service
by Nachiketa Sadhu 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

Hi, Can I have a local CDDB server without installing the about 3GB database of free cddb data? I want a local server to serve only my group of computers, and have the data for my collection of CDs. I have nothing against freecddb, but have problem accessing it through institute proxy from some applications. A how-to or a pointer will be very helpful. Thanks and regards. N. Sadhu -- Thanks and regards. N. Sadhu

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Re: Re: Re: Directional Radio Signposts. (Anurag)
by Vic Cris 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

Anurag said: > > Rony wrote: > > > > I was looking for working solutions and found that > some one else too has > > thought of this technique in a similar way. > > > > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4654573.html > > > haha! your plans of world domination is trashed now If anyone on the list contributing ideas on world domination would like to meet informally this afternoon, we are getting together at HBCSE at 5 pm - this is in advance of the formal meeting set for the 16th, which I will not be able to attend. -- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by hemendra jain 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

Dear Rony, >Nowadays wireless device frequencies are in GHz. so that should be >ideal to build a mini pocket size parabolic antenna for directional >reception. What type of assistance are you looking at? To begin any project, a lot of details regarding the technical and management aspects have to be resolved. And so the project requires people with similar exp. to form a team. Things could start taking shape once the team is formed. So, we require to forma team first. Count me in. Rgds, Hemendra Jain

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NTFS read/write support in Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 NTFS-3G is a driver which provides read/write support for NTFS in 32-bit Linux systems. It has FUSE as a dependency. However I have not tried it personally so can not vouch on the results. Cheerio, Debarshi -- It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose. - Darrin Weinberg

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porting of ie specific code to firefox
by Trevor Warren 06 Sep '06

06 Sep '06

Hello Guys/Gals, One of me colleagues at work just called to check if i had a solution on an IE to firefox porting issue. Glad to know that commercial applns are now being forced the firefox way..:D. Will mention the challenge in brief : > 35000 html pages > javascript written for IE > DOM based on IE What would be the best way for me to port this IE based application to firefox such that we can use it from Linux as well as MS???. Are there any automated tools/parsers that i can make use of??. Secondly, the other through process i had in mind was...if the first part isnt feasible can we build plugin the IE javas script and DOM model support into firefox as a plugin. This sounds ambitious but am just trying to explore some options out here where none seem to exist. Thanks in advance guys. Trevor -- ___________________________________ ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| An eye for an eye will soon turn the world blind - MKG "You cannot see me, yet I am the light you see by. You cannot hear me, yet I speak through your voice. You cannot feel me, yet I am the power at work in your hands. I am at work, though you do not understand my ways. I am not strange visions. I am not mysteries. Only in absolute stillness, beyond self, can you know me as I am, and then but as a feeling and a faith. Yet I am here. Yet I hear. Yet I answer. -anon "

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] pirates of silicon valley
by Vic Cris 06 Sep '06

06 Sep '06

> > From: "Trevor Warren" <trevorwarren(a)gmail.com> > Guys, Glad you used this appellation - the movie has insights on some of our 'icons' that are truly reprehensible behaviour re the women in their lives. > > Just checked out this movie which most of you are > familiar with called, > "Pirates of Silicon Valley". Its a must see for > those who wanna know the > truth behind the so called icons of Silicon Valley. > Gory Stuff!!!!. Not sure about the truth - but it is an eye-opener for sure. And the actors they chose not only play the roles brilliantly but actually look a lot like the real persons. What a fabulous job! Everyone in IT should see this film. > Anyone who would like to get this pls drop me an > email offline. And > anyone who has movies/documentaries worth a look(& > grab) please drop me a > line too!!!. Is this FOSS with a difference? But while on the offtopic, a posting from the FOSS evangelist in Pakistan (Fouad Riaz Bazwa) on another list talks about a new DRM movement that will make 'lending' and 'copying' of multimedia titles for personal consumption less contentious and illegal. --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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pirates of silicon valley [offtopic]
by Trevor Warren 06 Sep '06

06 Sep '06

Guys, Just checked out this movie which most of you are familiar with called, "Pirates of Silicon Valley". Its a must see for those who wanna know the truth behind the so called icons of Silicon Valley. Gory Stuff!!!!. Anyone who would like to get this pls drop me an email offline. And anyone who has movies/documentaries worth a look(& grab) please drop me a line too!!!. Thanks and Regards. Trevor -- ___________________________________ ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| An eye for an eye will soon turn the world blind - MKG "You cannot see me, yet I am the light you see by. You cannot hear me, yet I speak through your voice. You cannot feel me, yet I am the power at work in your hands. I am at work, though you do not understand my ways. I am not strange visions. I am not mysteries. Only in absolute stillness, beyond self, can you know me as I am, and then but as a feeling and a faith. Yet I am here. Yet I hear. Yet I answer. -anon "

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Why Free Software won't work in the mainstream
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

Hi, There's an article in The Times of India (page 23, "No Free lunches for me") by Charles Assisi, who describes himself as "A socialist turned capitalist". He makes an argument about why Free Software will not work in the mainstream market. His argument is that if he writes something and gives it away to a community, the community is free to improve it and distribute it. But at the same time, he stands to lose his livelihood as he becomes a disposable commodity in the face of the hundreds in the community. He also cites an example made by RMS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman , just in case ;) ), wherein he had stated that if one doesn't buy a car when he can't open its hood, the same should apply for software too. If one buys software but is not allowed to modify it, improve it then it's simply not enough. Charles says that while that is true in principle, the comparison cannot be made between the two very different industries. The difference here is that while car mechanics may tinker around with cars to repair/enhance them, they simply cannot build one themselves. The same is not true for software as a collective can modify the software beyond recognition. Also, it doesn't increase cost to replicate the software as it does in case of cars, hence in the car industry there is no case for "stealing livelihood" if one could call it that. Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk http://siddhesh.phpnet.us

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[Commercial] Content Filtering Internet Proxy
by Sachin Purohit 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

Dear all, Since this group is all about sharing Linux based applications, I would like to bring to your attention a Linux based content filtering Internet proxy software - SafeSquid. A FREE version is available. SafeSquid is the first INDIAN software product that is being used around the world (85% of the users are US and UK based). It has been developed by Office Efficiencies (India) Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai. SafeSquid, arguably, is the world's most feature-rich proxy server. Following, in brief, are it's features - - Browser based GUI Interface - Cluster friendly - A multi-tier, md5-encrypted, totally manageable cache - Supports ICP & CARP - Request forwarding - Transparent Proxying - Reverse Proxying - Secure Web Servers - Provides simultaneous virus scanning at the gateway using any number of Antivirus softwares of your choice - Generate virus signatures on-the-fly for undetected viruses while you wait for updates - Ready-to-use connectivity to ICAP Servers, the latest in Antivirus Technology - Built-in connectivity to PAM - Authenticate users from ADS, POP3, Radius, MySQL Database, Flat File Database, etc. - Bandwidth Management based on Users, Time, Web Sites or a combination of all - Block web-sites using URL Blacklist, DNS Blacklist, MySQL Database, Category DNS and the database-independent - Weighed Keyword Scoring Method - Filter unwanted contents like ActiveX Controls and Java Scripts from unknown sites (Ads, Banners, Pop-ups, spy wares, etc.) - Prevent access / downloads based on MiMe type - Prevent users from logging into unwanted sites - Cookie Filter - Increase enterprise privacy - Header Filter - Prevent access to applications like chat & IM - User Agent based access control - Generates log reports in Firewall and Squid format compatible with many open source and paid Log Analysers like Sarg, Calamaris, Squint, Webalizer, Sawmill, SquidTaild, etc. A FREE version with limited features for non-profit / non-commercial organisations, is available for download at http://downloads.safesquid.net You need to register on the SafeSquid Forum (free) at http://www.safesquid.com/html You can use the forum's username and password to access the download site. Fully functional trial versions, with limited time period, are also available.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Directional Radio Signposts.
by VKB 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

Friends, warning: longish email I share my thoughts-in-context with all of you, partly at the risk of making it non-relevant to the gnu/linux/tech kind of focus of this forum. If so, please excuse my articulation and/or intrusion. Thanks to Krishnakant, jtd and Dinesh, besides many others, who have/are contributing to this thread. I have been working with electronics and IT for over two decades and feel that jtd's comments reflect a great deal of practicality and real-life experience. Thanks jtd for your time and mindshare on this and to this forum :-) More of my thoughts in context... Perhaps the focus may be (partly) redefined if were to reword "digital assistance" in Dinesh's well summarized metrics, to "viable assistance", "digital" should be a subset of "viable" if/when/where found relevant and useful. Real-life is analogue (not digital ;-) Can we request or work towards getting local authorities and/or sponsors to install hand/guide rails (say some 4 feet tall and 6 feet long) say within the first 18 feet of each street of each intersection ? (numbers are indicative and can be redefined to some agreed and conformable standard). These rails would typically located at the edge of the kerb/footpath. No rocket science here... it is common to see such railings at various intersections and places, installed at various times, by various local authorities, mostly with the intention of attempting to guide pedestrian traffic. Now to make the difference and add value : 1. The guide rail size/proportions must be standardized, consistent or predictable (say within one or two flavours of sizes). 2. These guide rails to be embossed with markings (braille or otherwise recongisable by the visually impaired). 3. The embossing may be on the under-side of the rail or upper side or whatever outdoor-egronomics for such a purpose recommend. 4. The exact embossing patterns/style should be defined and guided by recognised/specialist agencies who work in the domains for the visually impaired. 5. For those who are not visually impaired, these "embossed guidance" rails are colour coded/painted with the colour scheme which is akin to the classic red-white-blind-person-stick scheme. This will easily convey to the sighted persons that these guide rails serve a special/additional purpose for the visually impaired. 6. If this kind of deployment can happen with some volumes that make a difference to society, then at this stage, we have in effect something that already delivers some greater value and conforms to the KISS principle.... * low-tech * little or no maintenance, * easily installed * represents incremental costs over what local authorities already (are supposed to) do in (m)any case. 7. If we are unable to make this much happen, more technology and/or non-KISS schemes will find it even more difficult to be widely adopted and to become viable and succeed. 8. When the creation (or upgradation of existing) guide rails happen, figure how to drive towards ensuring that those making these also make provisions for electric/energy supply and a small weather proof contaner (like at traffic signals but much smaller I hope) 9. Stage one gadget, FM broadcast device, fixed frequency, emits predetermined beep/pattern signal to only indicate presence of sign-post-guide-rail for a short radius of say 10-20 feet. 10. Alternate/stage two gadget, FM broadcast device, fixed frequency, emits pre-recorded voice guidance signal, indicates presence of sign-post-guide-rail, and tells you few more words about the area... 8. Based off this infrastructure, redploy whatever guidance systems that are catalysed partly by all the discussions that have happened in this context on this forum, further tempered by whatever resources and political-will and technology can/will permit. 9. Caveat 1: I do not know if any such schemes already exist or are in use, (The Lord has been kind to me in that I do not have any known physical impairment, and thus have not studied or dwelled much on these kind of needs or domains). 11. Caveat 2: If this embossed guide rail (iron tubes and cement masonry) solution is the way to take off, probably this conversation may not have a place on this forum, Thanks for your time. vkb On 03/9/06, <dineshah(a)gmail.com> wrote: <snip> The project is to provide digital assistance to visually disabled person digital locational and guidance system. The system should be simple to implement. it should be low cost. is simple to use. should be maintenance free should be expandable? should be commercially viable? </snip>

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[job] LAMP developers for tutorvista.com
by PV Sundarram 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Directional Radio Signposts.
by Vic Cris 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

> > From: jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> > Use a gprs / cdma cell phone. You can never hope in > hell to get a > better price, availability and service which would > be the exact > opposit of any custom 802.11 device which a person > has to carry > merely to find dirctions that he may require > occasionally. Devilish thought. I can just see thousands of liberated visually handicapped people roaming free in the city - and becoming totally helpless the next time some babu decides to shut down cell services because some cop discovers there is a village in Maharashtra named Pakistan Pada, and they fear a riot. Essentially, any switch-based service is at the mercy of a central controller. I don't know how the wifi/rfid concept will pan out, but it has the enormous advantage of being unstoppable. I do believe we are debating new ideas, not old ideas in a new wrapping. --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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oops in Dapper at shutdown
by Mohan Nayaka 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

Hi all I got an oops recently when shutdown my machine. As I remember perhaps gaim was running at that time. I am running Dapper (i386). uname -a gives: Linux ZION 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux Please advise if i should report this to linux-kernel. If so, please suggest a good email service provider to use for the purpose. I do not wish to use gmail for that. Leaks too much personal info. I have uploaded the oops at : http://mohansn.blogspot.com/2006/09/oops-in-dapper-at-shutdown.html Regards, Mohan S N -- "The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne, the' assay so hard, so sharp the conqueryinge" -- Geoffrey Chaucer

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Directional Radio Signposts.
by Vic Cris 03 Sep '06

03 Sep '06

> > From: "krishnakant Mane" <researchbase(a)gmail.com> > I am not claiming here that this is the > perfect solution. Please do not stop this discussion here, but I have started a focused mailing list "abletools(a)googlegroups.com" whose archives are public, with five members, four from this list and one from india-gii. We are pooling resources and want as many as possible who are interested to contribute in any way to come in and be a part of this. So please do sign up there and add your ideas and doubts too - a well argued idea is better. And hopefully the meeting at HBCSE on the 16th will bring out even more, but please keep the flow going. --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Loss of memory on just installation of RedHat 9 / Fedora Core 3
by Philip Tellis 03 Sep '06

03 Sep '06

Sometime on Aug 25, rc cobbled together some glyphs to say: > Then monitor the memory usage , you will find that your > memory is just utilized without starting any services . it's not. run free and see exactly where your memory is being allocated. remember that there's no point having 'free memory'. if your memory is unused, then you bought too much. linux will use up all available memory for buffers and cache and release that when required by an application. -- Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired. -- R. Geis

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Loss of memory on just installation of RedHat 9 / Fedora Core 3
by ryan coelho 03 Sep '06

03 Sep '06

Hi, What I am trying to tell you , is that if you just perform a plain installation of Fedora Core 3 OR RedHat 9 without configuring any services Then monitor the memory usage , you will find that your memory is just utilized without starting any services . This is bad because if you want to insatll this as a server for Oracle / Weblogic / Mail / Postgresql Or any services the application cannot be used for production. Plz Help To solve this issue Regards Ryan Coelho

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Fwd: Response to Charles Assisi's Article
by Nagarjuna G. 02 Sep '06

02 Sep '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nagarjuna G. <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> Date: Sep 1, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Response to Charles Assisi's Article To: toieditorial(a)timesgroup.com Dear Editor, This is in response to the article "No Free Lunches for Me" written by Charles Assisi, Times of India, 31th August 2006. The author is either 'blind' or irresponsible or both. If this article were written by a newbie journalist, I would not have reacted this way, but Charles Assisi is a known name, also because he interwiewed me once or twice. He may be a popular technical writer, he may claim that he was once a socialist now a capitalist, or he was once convinced about free software but not now anymore etc. This style of writing informs some readers that the author has experienced both worlds and then writing with experience. What this journalist lacks, now I realize after reading the article, is a sense of responsible journalism. He is essentially reacting to the decision Kerala Govt is going for free software in place of proprietary software. The only reason that he says free software should not be used is because it is backed by a very good ethical principle of sharing and "nice guys finish last". So this irresponsible journalist is asking people to be bad guys and finish first. If this wasn't the message, what was it? Let me demonstrate how blind this journalist is. First: he assumes that nice guys don't finish. The already successful operating system, the only competitor for the proprietary software today, is the GNU/Linux operating system with a large number of applications for almost every purpose, including computing in Indian languages. If this operating system is not complete, how is this system being used by millions all over the world. Which concept of computing does this operating system does not implement, except possibly viruses, that the system be declared unfinished? The system is not only finished, several millions all over the world use it exclusively. That is not to say that the system is not evolving, it is evolving at a pace that people already began to call it a revolution. The second point of the argument made by the author is that it does not feed programmers, or why would software programmers work for free software without incentive. Again, this is entirely baseless. Save one major company, which other major company does not use or depend their business on free software? If there is no money why did RedHat, Novell, IBM, Sun Microsystems etc. ventured to business by supporting free software. Even the exceptional major company, saved above, is known to use whatever is borrowable from the free software world. True, free software business doesn't happen by selling what is essentially and eminently shareable entity called code. But, people who make money in free software make money by providing various services: making a free software accessible in the form of distributions, helping in installation, customization, maintenance, documentation, training and so on. In the case of propreitary software both the things happen, namely selling what is not sellable, as well as servicing. In free software only one of them is possible. Therefore it is true that one cannot make as much money as one would make with propreitary software. The reason why free software community chose to give up on the additonal profit is due to ethical committment, to live a moral life. A lot of service business in propreitary software also happens by providing service to fix vulnarabilities, such as software viruses, which were fixed by free software by choosing a secure multi-user file system. It is an open question: Why wouldn't a proprietary company doesn't fix a fixable vulnarabilty? It is true that several hackers (not crackers) who contributed to free software were hobbyists and worked out of their free time and without much in expectation. That is because they were intervening in a system that is ridden with evil practices. They are sacrifycing their time to give the world and its people freedom, a better and healthy place to live in future. No freedom movement will win without sacrifice. This jounralist is pleading the Govt and people not to go for free software because good things never win. What a hopeless irresponsible suggestion? He writes: "Take away their incentive to create it and the world will have fewer peices of software to work with." The author assumes that their incentives were taken away, which is a baseless. If you ask the users of proprietary software, who created the application they are using, they will be mum. You ask the same question to the users of free software, they will tell who the original contributors are. Even if they are ignorant, may be they didn't pay attention to it, they can find out by visiting their favourite search engine and will answer in a jiffy. In the case of proprietary software, even if you give them the library and also the Internet, it is very difficult to find out who contributed what. Acknowledgement and maintaining authorship is the real incentive any author, including journalists, would ask for. How many journalists will find their job worthwhile if they were to write articles without their names printed along with the articles. Reporters on the street do not get enough attention, true. But they continue to report with the assumption that one day when they become a known writer they can imprint their name with each article they write. This is the incentive that an author always asked for, which makes each of the authors immortal, for they wish to make their mark in the history. Proprietary software companies don't create any history by masking the code as well as the contributions of millions of programmers who work for them. This is the culture that free software movement is trying to correct in the society, among others. As scientists, we may never publish a paper in a journal if the publisher asks us to be anonymous, or intends ot use another person or company's name instead. The incentive we get is citation, readership, and name, apart from the salary that we draw for our service. Thisculture already exists in the traditional knowledge business, free software business follows and embellishes this tradition. Thus, the author's view that there exists no business model for free software is not true. What is true is, free software does not produce billionaires in half a generation time. Proprietary software was created by converting knoweldge into a commodity. This happened by encoding electronic documents in a format that only their systems can decode. By asking people to pay for decoding these documents for life is unethical lockin policy. This is, by ethical standpoint, an illegal activity, for knowledge doesn't continue transmission by privately locked code. Free software momevent is asking the policy makers, Government bodies all over the world, to correct this mistake too, and that is why we demand for all electronic documents to be in open standards. An unrepairable technology is evil. Proprietary software is unrepairable since the source code is not made public. No 'garages' are possible in this model. But we need garages for software too, since no software can be perfect. Free software is repairable just any system of ideas. Unless people at large participate knowledge does not evolve. If Kerala Govt. took the decision to change their schools to free software, that is a very wise decisiion. We wish that all other governements all over the world follow them to create a better digital world. I would request the editor to publish this response to correct the misunderstanding the article by Charles Assisi would create about free software movement. -- Dr. Nagarjuna G. Scientist, Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Eduation, TIFR, Mumbai Chairman, Free Software Foundation of India, http://www.gnu.org.in/ -- Nagarjuna G. http://www.gnowledge.org/ http://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/Data/Objects/n/nagarjun/viewObject

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Intel D101GGC and FC3
by Samir 01 Sep '06

01 Sep '06

Hi List, Can nebody tell me whether Intel D 101 GGC motherboard works fine with FC3.Ive one new m/c with configuration as following, Intel 3.0 Ghz Processor Ram 1 Gb Intel D 101 GGC Motherboard. But the o/p of the m/c is not satisfactory,also i ve checked Ram on windows m/c its workin g fine. -- Friends are like an treasure,so if you want to become rich in your life make as many friends as possible in the life. Samir.A.Sanghvi [B.E. in EXTC] 9820812842

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[OT] Associate Fellowship
by Roshan 01 Sep '06

01 Sep '06

Hello List, There are two minor questions regarding the Associate Fellowship (general) 1. I have decided to acquire Associate fellowship and be a part of FSF, India. Do I send the Demand Draft through a private courier or do banks offer service of transferring the demand draft directly to FSF, Kerla, India? 2. Which mailing list among the FSF's lists, is populated with users of GLUG's mailing list? I have subscribed to FSF-edu mailing list and it seems there are only two members subscribed to it! (me and Mr. Ajay, from Punjab)? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Embedded Linux Project Idea.
by Rony 01 Sep '06

01 Sep '06

Hello All, This is an idea for those who are into embedded linux systems. The concept is to create wireless internet access in taxis, cars and buses. The options available today are the wireless data cards or mobile phones or FWP phones attached to individual laptops. But what happens when more passengers want to access the net and everyone may not have a data card. So we need a black box that acts as an interface with the phone's ( net service provided by the transporter) usb cable and the network interface of a Wireless AP. I don't know if any ready made phone is available with a direct network interface and a built-in ppp dialer but the simple way out would be to use an old pc or laptop as the interface and share that connection at its ethernet port. However that would make it too bulky and power consuming. The other approach would be to have something like the ADSL modem that is a network interface and a pppoe dialer bundled together. In our black box we need a usb interface that can detect different wireless phones, a pppoe dialer to make a connection and a network interface to connect to the W AP. Everytime the connection breaks, it will automatically redial. The cost of a dialup session for RIL internet is 50p/minute so Rs. 30 for an hour. That amount can be divided among the passengers and they benefit by being online without a data card. Local buses and taxis can use FWP phones and long distance luxury buses, taxis will use mobile phones as the network device. For buses, more phones and devices with W APs can be added as per demand, for better bandwidth. Everyday, the gaps between no signal areas is closing in and we will get almost seamless net access across the travel region. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: Directional Radio Signposts, Meeting fixt on 16th at HBCSE
by krishnakant Mane 01 Sep '06

01 Sep '06

hello again, I was discussing this matter with Dr. nagarjuna and we have decided to call a meeting with the interested people on 16th sep which is a saturday. the meeting is scheduled to start at 430 pm. I request all the interested people who have emailed on this thread and those who haven't but want to work on this to be present for the meet. see you all, Krishnakant.

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revovering an NTFS Partition
by francis pereira 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

Ahh Freeky , Prevously I had /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 both as NTFS File system . hda1 was Primary and I think hda2 was Primary file system too . I Formatted hda1 to ext3 and now hda2 which was untouched is showing all free space . Is there anyway i can recover hdb2 . Cheers, Francis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by Akshay Mishra 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rony <ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:04:10 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts. hemendra jain wrote: >Nowadays wireless device frequencies are in GHz. so that should be ideal >to build a mini pocket size parabolic antenna for directional reception. >What type of assistance are you looking at? >Regards, >Rony. I have worked on 8051 + RF devices. Good support, good range and the normal whip antennas are fine. Problem with using GPS is (a) lack of detailed maps for India (b) cost An 8051 with RF chip should do the basic processing. Else put in a DSP for more computation and use the 8051 as the front end for communication. You are not looking at a fancy OS on it, right. these RF can be configured for directional transmission by placing a directional antenna at the transmitter end. Akshay

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by hemendra jain 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

Dear Rony, >The main hurdle in this concept is to develop a proper radio system >that has directional accuracy without being too expensive for the >comman man. The idea is excellent. I have done various electronics projects(8051 based). Also, I have enough knowledge of Radio frequency. I need somebody's assistance to get started with the project. Rgds, Hemendra Jain Team Work leads to success. On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 Rony wrote : >Hello All, > >While we are on to discussing new ideas, this is a concept that I thought of during my daily traveling. I am mostly on field and travel a lot in public transport. I have observed that visually impaired persons usually have a problem with directions and it is more complex when it comes to making choices in different directions. Now that we have the honor of having an extremely talented person like Mr. Mane on our list, he too can give feedback on this. > >The normal method is to use beeping sounds near signals and crossings. However, our road networks are complex and require more complex sign aids. The problem is compounded when making a choice at a junction of many roads, not knowing which road leads to what place. > >This can be resolved by having radio beepers at all road points and each beeper having its own data repeatedly broadcast. To differentiate between each post and its data, the user has a handheld unidirectional radio receiver that has a mini parabolic dish antenna. The user first turns the receiver around and gets beeps for every radio post detected. As the device is pointed, its sound is the loudest when pointing straight to it. Then with the flick of a switch, he hears the data through a earphone. It tells him where he is located and where the direction he points to, is leading to with actual road names too. Its like a guide explaining different directions. So while the radio post is omni directional, the receiver is uni directional. > >Shops and restaurants too can use these radio posts to guide people to their shops and advertise their merchandise. I say, this system can be used even by sighted people who need help in directions, as big junctions have long distances across and looking across signboards can be difficult with buses and other traffic blocking the view. Tourists will find this a very handy live city guide. > >The main hurdle in this concept is to develop a proper radio system that has directional accuracy without being too expensive for the comman man. > >Regards, > >Rony. > > ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > >-- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Directional Radio Signposts.
by Rony 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hello All, While we are on to discussing new ideas, this is a concept that I thought of during my daily traveling. I am mostly on field and travel a lot in public transport. I have observed that visually impaired persons usually have a problem with directions and it is more complex when it comes to making choices in different directions. Now that we have the honor of having an extremely talented person like Mr. Mane on our list, he too can give feedback on this. The normal method is to use beeping sounds near signals and crossings. However, our road networks are complex and require more complex sign aids. The problem is compounded when making a choice at a junction of many roads, not knowing which road leads to what place. This can be resolved by having radio beepers at all road points and each beeper having its own data repeatedly broadcast. To differentiate between each post and its data, the user has a handheld unidirectional radio receiver that has a mini parabolic dish antenna. The user first turns the receiver around and gets beeps for every radio post detected. As the device is pointed, its sound is the loudest when pointing straight to it. Then with the flick of a switch, he hears the data through a earphone. It tells him where he is located and where the direction he points to, is leading to with actual road names too. Its like a guide explaining different directions. So while the radio post is omni directional, the receiver is uni directional. Shops and restaurants too can use these radio posts to guide people to their shops and advertise their merchandise. I say, this system can be used even by sighted people who need help in directions, as big junctions have long distances across and looking across signboards can be difficult with buses and other traffic blocking the view. Tourists will find this a very handy live city guide. The main hurdle in this concept is to develop a proper radio system that has directional accuracy without being too expensive for the comman man. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Linux file recovery.
by Rony Bill 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hello All, I want to know some good utility for recovering a deleted ext3 partition's files and folders. The partition is not yet overwritten. I googled and tried `r-linux' in windows as well as `recover' in linux but both these softwares simply dump a long list of blank files that represent inodes. The tldp site too does not provide info about converting inodes into original files. How does one actually convert deleted files/folders into their original form? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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GDB Help
by Rajesh Warange 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hi, I 'm working on Debuggers, basically GDB ... need to change it for a native chipset. I need to know 1. the "chain of functions" GDB goes through when given the command on the Command-Line. 2. Also the "chain of commands" GDB goes through when given commands like break, step etc. I 'm reading GDB Internals ... but its not helping me much in this regard. Pleas Help. -- wrr

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Re:[ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hello ITS A FANTASTIC IDEA I REPEAT ITS A FANTASTIC IDEA Congratulations to Roney for thinking of such an idea MAHESH DESHPANDE

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Adding a Mirror to existing server
by Hozefa Motiwala 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Hi All, I have a Qmail Server running in an Linux RH box since last 4 years. what I need to do is that to add a mirror to the existing hdd to make it redundant as the life of existing hdd may be over.(Although its working properly ) but I don't want to down the server as it is running online and is critical for my client. Any inputs would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Hozefa.

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[COMMERCIAL] Job opportunities in storage domain
by Nirendra Awasthi 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

A multinational storage company in Pune is looking for candidate with following experience: Mandatory skills: 1. 1+ year of Perl programming experience. 2. Knowledge of OS internals. 3. Sound knowledge of software development methodologies and engineering processes. 4. Comfortable in Unix/Linux development environment. 5. Passion to learn new technology. Desirable skills: 1. Experience in development using C/C++. 2. Knowledge of storage domain. Experience: 1-4 years Location: Pune If interested please contact me offlist on lists (at) nirendra.net -Nirendra

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts.
by Akshay Mishra 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Rony <ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:35:52 +0530 > > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Directional Radio Signposts. > > Hello All, > > > > While we are on to discussing new ideas, this is a concept that I > > thought of during my daily traveling. I am mostly on field and travel a > > lot in public transport. I have observed that visually impaired persons > > usually have a problem with directions and it is more complex when it > > comes to making choices in different directions. Now that we have the > > honor of having an extremely talented person like Mr. Mane on our list, > > he too can give feedback on this. > > > > The normal method is to use beeping sounds near signals and crossings. > > However, our road networks are complex and require more complex sign > > aids. The problem is compounded when making a choice at a junction of > > many roads, not knowing which road leads to what place. > > > > This can be resolved by having radio beepers at all road points and each > > beeper having its own data repeatedly broadcast. To differentiate > > between each post and its data, the user has a handheld unidirectional > > radio receiver that has a mini parabolic dish antenna. The user first > > turns the receiver around and gets beeps for every radio post detected. > > As the device is pointed, its sound is the loudest when pointing > > straight to it. Then with the flick of a switch, he hears the data > > through a earphone. It tells him where he is located and where the > > direction he points to, is leading to with actual road names too. Its > > like a guide explaining different directions. So while the radio post is > > omni directional, the receiver is uni directional. > > > > Shops and restaurants too can use these radio posts to guide people to > > their shops and advertise their merchandise. I say, this system can be > > used even by sighted people who need help in directions, as big > > junctions have long distances across and looking across signboards can > > be difficult with buses and other traffic blocking the view. Tourists > > will find this a very handy live city guide. > > > > The main hurdle in this concept is to develop a proper radio system that > > has directional accuracy without being too expensive for the comman man. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rony. Ideally this should come with the cell phone. But what with Bluetooth being subjective to virus attacks, an addon can be designed which does this task. Also, with RF enabled microcontrollers available cheaply, one can do these developments as standalone devices. Another application is giving them out at places like Prince of Wales Musuem instead of the casette players. Each location identified with numbers can emit a low power rf. The player with the tourist shall know which id is this and hence what information to play out. The RF/processing cost is not major hurdle if the amout of processing required is small and the distances are within a few hundred metres, the data rates not exceeding a few kbps. (64kbps is supported by a few chips over short distances) regards, Akshay

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Re: Link to GPLv3 audio and video (dead link?)
by Vic Cris 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

--- Roshan wrote: > > > "...Microsoft Windows is a spyware ...(Windows > > XP)" > > > > May i know who was it that said this? > RMS. He's said this because, either he has > discovered > it or someone has told him. > A friend has Windows installed on her desktop (by the vendor) and called me for help because she keeps getting messages about it not being a licensed copy. Clearly this happens because MS is monitoring online unlicensed copies (she didn't know the difference and has asked the vendor to implement a license). If that doesn't count as spyware, then what does? However, with all due respect to RMS, I prefer to think of most implementations of the OS as malware (and reserve my opinions only on the ones I haven't tried myself). --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html

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Contacting moderators
by Vic Cris 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

I was trying to contact the moderator (I mailed Anurag) about a problem I face reading the listmail with my webmail client (I can't access it right now, but I think it is called something Boxes - it has an icon of an Escher like box assembly), but the mail bounced saying no such mailbox, which is vizarre because he most definitely is still using his gnuer address. Anyway, the problem is that the first mail in the digest is clearly visible, while the rest are dimmed and darned difficult to read. Does anyone know why this happens? Secondly, the listmail appears without a date - so that it is all piled up at the very end of my Inbox. This also happens with some spam (heh heh - no drawing hasty conclusions), but not all. As you can see, I also access the list from my yahoo listmail address, and here I don't get either problem. How can I view a detailed mail in my webmail client, so that I can give my service provider a clue to fixing it? --- Vickram ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: Link to GPLv3 audio and video (dead link?), RMS public lecture Audio / Video CD?
by Roshan 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

> > > "...Microsoft Windows is a spyware ...(Windows > > XP)" There was blog on it. http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000178.html But has no one downloaded the audio or tried the links of 4th Conf.? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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ubuntu and wine: some updates
by Abhishek Daga 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

Installed ubuntu dapper drake desktop for the first time. Before this, I had only worked with RH based distros. Installed Apache, MySQL and PHP also. It was a Breeze. Overall, only 1 word can describe the entire distro and setup. Sexy. Had to run putty for an application (ssh and xterm messed up the function keys) so installed it over wine. Again, a breeze though with some errors. Which is ok. One tip: The font looks weird. So you will need to change it to anything else and it will look fine. I had to install desktop version even though I am using it as a server because we dont have the luxury of a dedicated server only machine. My mandatory question is: Would it have been better to have installed the server version with ready LAMP stack and then enabled X? thanks abhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Link to GPLv3 audio and video (dead link?), RMS public lecture Audio / Video CD?
by Roshan 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

Hello all, Found the link for Audio and Video format of 4th International Conference on GPLv3, India, but the link seems to be dead. Below are the links. Audio: http://gplv3.fsf.org.nyud.net:8080/static/gplv3-india-audio.tar Video: http://gplv3.fsf.org.nyud.net:8080/static/gplv3-india-video.tar Anyone, who has already downloaded it? The public lecture at Patkar hall was recorded. Will its audio and Video format be available on GLUG's website or on a CD? Few Excerpt for those who missed it.. "...Microsoft Windows is a spyware ...(Windows XP)" Portability of Programs. "Those days, portability across different architectures was difficult. Therefore, we used to read a program and then write the same for a different platform. We would name it in a funny way. This program (we made) is not that program. ...... Recursive Acronyms originated from here. SINE ..SINE Is Not Emacs...and then ..... GNU's Not UNIX (instead of the usual four letter, three letter recursive acronym)" "You can develop good coding skills if you read more programs, understand and write more programs." "The Philosophy Won't bring a crisis to employment." "Free Software should be encouraged in Educational Institutions" Do correct, if you find any mistakes in the above. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Perl Hashes.
by Nadeem M. Khan 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

Hi. I have a perl hash that has 200 key-value pairs. Something like this: 001 one 002 two ........... 200 two_hundred My script can read the pairs which are at the top without issues, but from pair 170 onwards, the script fails to read them. Is there any limit on the memory/number of elements in a hash? If I move pair number 171 right at the top, it works. Strangely, the script works very well on Linux, but the problem occurs on AIX and HP-UX. Regards, NMK.

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Copying the entire file System from one partition to another
by Francis 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

I have my FC5 running neatly and all configured just the way I like it , though I have begun running out of free space on the installed partition here is what the installed partition info looks like: /dev/hda1 * 0+ 2610 2611- 20972826 7 HPFS/NTFS >> M$ Partition /dev/hda2 2611 8484 5874 47182905 7 HPFS/NTFS start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1) /dev/hda3 8485 8497 13 104422+ 83 Linux start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1) /dev/hda4 8498 9728 1231 9888007+ 5 Extended start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1) /dev/hda5 8498+ 9728 1231- 9887976 8e Linux LVM start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,1,1) I don't mind breaking down the M$ partition and moving the Linux fs to /dev/hda1 . Any Best Practices that you would suggest ?? Cheers, Francis

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Need feedback and input for a talk/paper
by Dinesh Shah 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

Hi All, I am planing to give a small talk on FOSS - Road Ahead @ FreeDel. I would highly appreciate your input and feedback on the topic. TIA for your help and support. Topic: Free and Open Source Software - Customers, Consumers, Communities and Society Format: 40-minute seminar-style presentations with 10 minutes for Q&A Abstract: Today, there is lot of talk of GNU/Linux adoption in all walks of life. However, in spite of superior technology, freedom, security, open standards, low cost and other advantages of FOSS the ground reality of the penetration of FOSS in main stream IT infrastructure remains poor to below average. In this paper we will look @ the perceptions of the various stack holders in FOSS and what are the required steps to be taken by current stack holders to bring in the acceleration of the adoption of FOSS in the mainstream IT infrastructure. Here is the draft out-line of the presentation. Introduction Preamble Definitions Customer Consumer Community Society Perspectives Customer / Consumer Needs and Expectation FOSS / Community Needs and Expectation Proprietary / Business Needs and Expectation Facts and Statistics Market Segments Servers / Workstations Desktop Embedded / Appliance Education / Academic High Performance Adoption Behavior and Expectations Customer Consumer Community Business Road Ahead -- --Dinesh Shah :-)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Linux Tshirts
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

> Another option is to print it using a good inkjet printer. You need > to use what is called a T-Shirt Transfer Paper. Once the print is > done, you need to put it below the T-Shirt and Iron it from the > other side, the print moves from the paper to the t-shirt. This is > theory, not actually used in practice. It has been done in practice. Prasanta Baruah and others at HBCSE has done it, although it needs to be done with outmost care, it is posible to get reasonable results. The ink also does not go away very easily. Obviously for better results, get it embroidered. No idea if that is possible or not, but theoretically it should be. Cheers, Debarshi -- Don't be humble ... you're not that great. -- Golda Meir

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hi, I can help you for learning kernel and bootup
by krishnakant Mane 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

hi, I am Krishnakant from the mailing list. I can help you to learn the bootup process and also kernel compilation. I think rather than giving you a document and leaving it to you, I will show it to you practically. Please note down my number so that you can contact me and we can fix to meet. I as it is want to compile a kernel for my system so you can join in. my land line number is 241662293 and mobile number is 9820310472 on which you can contact me. my other email id is krmane(a)gmail.com as an alternative. by the way what is your background? are you having any background on programming? do you have any interested in programming? do you program in c? it will be easy to explain you about kernel compilation and bootup if you have little knowledge on programming. regards. Krishnakant Mane, Chairman Compact Software Solutions

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] please help
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

If you are keen just to upgrade your kernel the easiest thing is to get a RPM kernel for your distro, but if you really want to compile from source read on... :-) > Along with this i will be very thankfull if u can kindly explain me the kernal compilation > process(i want to compile a new kernal) http://www.freeos.com/articles/4794/ Download a vannilla kernel from http://www.kernel.org/ (click on the F) or ftp://glug-nith.org/tarballs/linux-2.6.17.11.tar.bz2 or ftp://glug-nith.org/tarballs/linux-2.4.32.tar.bz2 depending on whether you want the 2.4 or 2.6 branch. If you are using a distro as old as RH9 then you should try the 2.4 kernel. Unzip the tarball and after cding into the directory type: # make help That would show you all your available options. But follow the tutorial for your first attenpt. Cheers, Debarshi -- Don't be humble ... you're not that great. -- Golda Meir

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[OT] Linux Tshirts
by Nadeem M. Khan 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Hi. Anyone knows where I can purchase Tshirts with witty Linux slogans in India? Regards, NMK.

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please help
by diode diode 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Hi everybody, I am a new learner in this LINUX world.Curently i am using the redhat9, and i want to know if anyone can helpme out by explaining me the boot process in detail ie starting of the server (my system) in a proper way, Along with this i will be very thankfull if u can kindly explain me the kernal compilation process(i want to compile a new kernal) Thnx and Regards Diode 9820267228 diode_linux(a)yahoo.co.in --------------------------------- Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

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migrating thunderbird settings and mails to Linux
by Abhishek Daga 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Has anyone successfully migrated thunderbird settings and mails from Windows to Linux? I need to switch a machine from windows to linux without losing the settings and emails. Any ideas and tricks n tips? thanks abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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3-day workshop on open source software
by Shuvam Misra 26 Aug '06

26 Aug '06

Dear all, There's a three-day workshop on open source software being organised by a non-profit organisation, together with assistance from local bodies and companies, in Bombay. It will be a purely technical workshop, with the aim of introducing some of the popular ideas, concepts, and application layers to the participants. All interested individuals are invited. There are no delegate fees. The details can be found in a generic invitation letter which was sent to many institutes and colleges: http://www.starcomsoftware.com/tmp/aoss-invite.pdf and the programme schedule can be found at: http://www.starcomsoftware.com/tmp/aoss-programme.xls The body responsible for organising this workshop is an int'l non-profit organisation, with their office in Singapore, called the CICC (check http://www.cicc.org.sg) These people facilitate various computing activities in Asia, and OSS is one of the areas they have decided to promote. They have been organising a series of AOSS Workshops (AOSS = Asian OSS) all over Asia and have been getting very good responses. They have now arrived at a new model for organising these workshops with practically zero central funding or corporate sponsorships, so that it remains a grassroots movement. Their first attempt at doing one in India was in May, in Chennai. This one, in Navi Mumbai, will be their second. They intend to do one in some corner or other of India every two or three months, in parallel with similar events in other parts of Asia. Wherever they organise these events, they try to rope in local volunteer bodies or SIGs, and the Chennai workshop was heavily supported by CDAC Chennai, CSI Chennai Chapter, and NIC Chennai. Most of the delegates were teachers from colleges from the four southern states, and researchers from academic institutions. CICC are in the process of exploring their network of contacts to reach out to the ILUG groups in various cities, so it is very likely that they will come to each LUG in India for organisational assistance for future events. Currently, this Bombay event which was organised in a bit of a hurry has CDAC Bombay acting as the host and providing the venue, and a group of three or four organisations providing speakers and organisational support totally on a non-commercial basis. All course material prepared by speakers for these workshops are contributed into the central pool, and are re-used for subsequent events. At the Bombay workshop, we have a mix of speakers who are young and technically competent hands-on techies, and senior managers who have headed major OSS-based projects in their organisations. The speaker from Mazgaon Docks Limited is the Head of IT at MDL, and has headed major enterprise-level application development projects on OSS platforms for MDL. It is likely that the members of this LUG mailing list are quite knowledgeable and may not find anything much to learn from the workshop. But if you know someone who is a beginner with Linux and OSS, or a boss who wants to learn about this "new Linux thing", please pass on this workshop pointer to them and let them apply as per the details given in the invitation letter. Thanks and warm regards, Shuvam Misra

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Does anyone use SLED?
by kunal gangar 26 Aug '06

26 Aug '06

Hi, Is anyone from the mailing list using Suse linux enterprise desktop? If yes, then can you'll tell me some tips and tricks...im a newbie. :) -- Kunal Gangar. Tech Ticker http://www.techtickerblog.com

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[Link] Linux turns 15
by Harsh Busa 26 Aug '06

26 Aug '06

http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2006-08-25-027-26-OP-CY-KN This, today, is a number of great significance to the Linux community. It represents the exact number of days that Linux has officially been in existence. For it was 15 years ago today that Linus Torvalds first posted his message to the comp.os.minix newsgroup, asking for feedback on this nifty little OS that he hoped might one day support some of the 386 and 486 AT clones that were cutting edge PC technology in 1991. ... -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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problem, nopernicus does not speak every time gnome starts
by krishnakant Mane 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

hello all, I had previously asked for some help on getting gnopernicus to talk. actually I was successfull in getting it talk when I login in my ubuntu desktop. however now the problem is that although my sound card is working quite well, gnopernicus does not start talking every time I start ubuntu. the situation is like this. when I login on my ubuntu desktop, I can hear the login sound. after that my sited colligue told me that the gnopernicus menu comes up with startup mode preferences and all the remaining options in the menu. but it does not talk. what could be the problem? by the way when gnopernicus was actually talking, I could not even adjust the rate of speach etc. and when I change the pitch or volume there is no effect. is it due to the sound card problem? my card is creative vibra 128. but it is not in the the list of sound cards on my system > sound option. Please help. thanking all. Krishnakant.

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[ILUG-BOM] Free GNU/Linux Distributions, Audience at public lecture, FC 5 (3rd CD)
by Roshan 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

Hello List, 1. Has anyone in the list tried out a _true_ GNU/Linux based OS? http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions I would be glad if anyone could burn a copy of AGNULA LIVE CD on my media (CD-R). 2. Is there some data on the exact number of people who are going to attend the public lecture? (I would surely attend, if I don't have lectures at college.) 3. If someone can burn a copy of FC5 CD 3 and give to me on 27 at the public lecture, I would be thankful. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Free GNU/Linux Distributions, Audience at public lecture, FC5 (3rd CD)
by Roshan 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

> hi roshan, > why don't you try ubuntu? > I mean unless it is absolutely necessary for you to > use fedora, I will > suggest just install ubuntu and try. > it has been used successfully by first time linux > users also. > it will give you all the tools like open office and > mosila and firefox. > it also have movy player and mp3 player. > there is even one great feature. you get c: and d: > and all windows > drives open by default. > and after all fedora or ubuntu or debian I do have Ubuntu CD's. I plan to install Kubuntu on my new hard disk, being used to K Desktop Environment. I had planned it to buy this month, but may be I'll have to wait for one more month. The purpose of asking that question was whether people have been able to _completely_ migrate to non-free software. It may not be possible till people are ready to compromise, which they cannot be forced to, but given an option to choose. > linux is the same. Yes they are! (at the core). Though, I don't want to start a flame or controversial topic, I would request you to refer to the OS as GNU/Linux and the kernel as Linux. (though, Linus himeself said, "its ridiculous") > I will give you on 27th try it. Thanks for offering. I have already tried the LIVE CD of Ubuntu and Kubuntu. (6.06 LTS) And yes, thanks to CANONICAL (and Mark Shuttleworth too!) for shipping free CD's. I recently received 5 Kubuntu CD's. Due to limited Data transfer capacity, I cannot download ISO of AGNULA. If you have the ISO and can burn me a copy of the same, I'll be thankful. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Querry
by Aniket Suryavanshi 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

How to change permissions of the entire windows partition in Linux? I have the Ubuntu package installed on my computer and the /fs/ are fat32. _____________________ Aniket Suryavanshi http://a-n-y-a.tripod.com _____________________ --------------------------------- Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: ILUG-BOM] Memory Leak On O.S side
by Krishna Dagli/Krushna Dagli 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

On 25 Aug 2006 11:59:17 -0000, ryan coelho <r_coelho(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > What I am trying to tell you , is that if you just perform a plain > > installation of Fedora Core 3 OR RedHat 9 without configuring any > > services > > Then monitor the memory usage , you will find that your > > memory is just utilized without starting any services . > > This is bad because if you want to insatll this as a server > > for Oracle / Weblogic / Mail / Postgresql > > Or any services the application cannot be used for production. > > Plz Help To solve this issue > > Regards > > Ryan Coelho > In top, which top 5 processes are taking up memory. I have no issue to run DB2 with buffer pool of 1 GB on RH9. In my opinion just go ahead and install whatever you want to and then look at memory utilisation. -Krishna

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Re: ILUG-BOM] Memory Leak On O.S side
by Krishna Dagli/Krushna Dagli 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

>Subject: [ Hi , > I have Fedora Core 3 , and I have been facing a problem of memory >leak , this I have checked using Vmstat and Top . > I want to know the exact cause of this and I have also tested > that the same problem exists on Red Hat 9. > I have small applications like Tom Cat and Apache nothing Big, >I have stopped services not required . Sorry but could not understand your question, memory leak in FC3 or you have an application which eats up memory? -Krishna

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Memory Leak On O.S side
by ryan coelho 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

Hi , I have Fedora Core 3 , and I have been facing a problem of memory leak , this I have checked using Vmstat and Top . I want to know the exact cause of this and I have also tested that the same problem exists on Red Hat 9. I have small applications like Tom Cat and Apache nothing Big, I have stopped services not required . Please help. Thanks & Regards Ryan Coelho

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newbi: need help on installation and configuration of screen reader
by krishnakant Mane 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

hello all, this is Krishnakant Mane from Mumbai. I am a new member on the list. to tell about myself, I am totally blind and im the first visually impaired IT professional and software enginear of India. well, I need to have the screen reader, gnopernicus installed on my ubuntu desktop. actually to be frank I am using windows from M$ because I had no good option for linux and this forces me to use any thing that windows offer. I had a look at the gnopernicus application in HBCSE on the laptop of Dr. Nagarjuna. I am very much impressed and did try to install nopernicus myself. but since most of my colligues are windows users I can't really figure out how I can instruct them to install gnopernicus. can any one give me some guidelines? I don't have a broad band connection and will like to install it manually. again, I am using Ubuntu 6.06 for my ddesktop. thanking all, Krishnakant. I tried to

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Cannot start "X" anymore...
by Navin Daund 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

Hi, I am using IBM NetVista PIV with 128MB/Intel 845 Mbd/8 MB Shared Video Memory and Redhat Linux 9. I always start in CUI and X was working good untill yesterday when I pressed Ctrl+Alt+F1 and invoked prompt. After that my X is not working for some reason. When I startx, it appears with blank screen and show my monitor (LG 17" 700S) frequency range box and comes right back to prompt. I attempted reconfiguring X with 800x600, thousand colours, selected monitor as probed (700S, 49 dpi, and default mm), video card is autodected as i810 and Video Memory selected 8 MB. It does not work. I also created new XF86config.new on root for no good. I also attempted reinstalling Desktop Package items from Installation CDs, but no help. I read /var/log/messages, but could not understand much. dmesg does not contain any information that I could use. I am attaching herewith /var/log/XFree86.0.log, and XF86Config files herewith for your information. Please help me get it fix asap. Thanks and regards, Navinchandra. XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.3.0-2) Release Date: 27 February 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-3bigmem i686 [ELF] Build Date: 27 February 2003 Build Host: porky.devel.redhat.com Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.20-8smp (bhcompile(a)porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)) #1 SMP Thu Mar 13 17:45:54 EST 2003 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Sat Aug 26 02:23:12 2006 (++) Using config file: "/root/XF86Config.new" (==) ServerLayout "XFree86 Configured" (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" (**) | |-->Device "Card0" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/". Entry deleted from font path. (Run 'mkfontdir' on "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/"). (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (**) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 7 (II) Open APM successful (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.2 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.6 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.4 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.2 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.4 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x8000f800, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,2560 card ffff,ffff rev 01 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 8086,2562 card 1014,0267 rev 01 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1d:0: chip 8086,24c2 card 1014,0267 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:1d:1: chip 8086,24c4 card 1014,0267 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1d:2: chip 8086,24c7 card 1014,0267 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1d:7: chip 8086,24cd card 1014,0267 rev 01 class 0c,03,20 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1e:0: chip 8086,244e card 0000,0000 rev 81 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:1f:0: chip 8086,24c0 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:1f:1: chip 8086,24cb card 1014,0267 rev 01 class 01,01,8a hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:3: chip 8086,24c3 card 1014,0267 rev 01 class 0c,05,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:5: chip 8086,24c5 card 1014,0267 rev 01 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:08:0: chip 8086,1039 card 1014,0267 rev 81 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,2), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 2: bridge is at (0:30:0), (0,2,2), BCTRL: 0x0004 (VGA_EN is cleared) (II) Bus 2 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B] [1] -1 0 0x00002400 - 0x000024ff (0x100) IX[B] [2] -1 0 0x00002800 - 0x000028ff (0x100) IX[B] [3] -1 0 0x00002c00 - 0x00002cff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Bus 2 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xc0100000 - 0xc01fffff (0x100000) MX[B] (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:31:0), (0,-1,-1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (--) PCI:*(0:2:0) Intel Corp. 82845G/GL [Brookdale-G] Chipset Integrated Graphics Device rev 1, Mem @ 0x88000000/27, 0x80000000/19 (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) PCI Memory resource overlap reduced 0xd0000000 from 0xdfffffff to 0xcfffffff (II) Active PCI resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xc0100000 - 0xc0100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0xc0080800 - 0xc00808ff (0x100) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0xc0080c00 - 0xc0080dff (0x200) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x10000000 - 0x100003ff (0x400) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0xc0080000 - 0xc00803ff (0x400) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xcfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [6] -1 0 0x80000000 - 0x8007ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [7] -1 0 0x88000000 - 0x8fffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000203f (0x40) IX[B] [9] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B] [10] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B] [11] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B] [12] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B] [13] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B] (II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps: [0] -1 0 0xc0100000 - 0xc0100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0xc0080800 - 0xc00808ff (0x100) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0xc0080c00 - 0xc0080dff (0x200) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x10000000 - 0x100003ff (0x400) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0xc0080000 - 0xc00803ff (0x400) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xcfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [6] -1 0 0x80000000 - 0x8007ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [7] -1 0 0x88000000 - 0x8fffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000203f (0x40) IX[B] [9] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B] [10] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B] [11] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B] [12] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B] [13] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x0fffffff (0xff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) All system resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x0fffffff (0xff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xc0100000 - 0xc0100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xc0080800 - 0xc00808ff (0x100) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xc0080c00 - 0xc0080dff (0x200) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0x10000000 - 0x100003ff (0x400) MX[B] [9] -1 0 0xc0080000 - 0xc00803ff (0x400) MX[B] [10] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xcfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [11] -1 0 0x80000000 - 0x8007ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0x88000000 - 0x8fffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000203f (0x40) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B] (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a (II) Module dri: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading sub module "drm" (II) LoadModule: "drm" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a (II) Module drm: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XC-MISC (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension FontCache (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (II) Module glx: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading sub module "GLcore" (II) LoadModule: "GLcore" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) Module GLcore: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a (II) Module record: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "xtrap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libxtrap.a (II) Module xtrap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension DEC-XTRAP (II) LoadModule: "speedo" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a (II) Module speedo: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.1 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Speedo (II) LoadModule: "type1" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a (II) Module type1: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.2 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Type1 (II) Loading font CID (II) LoadModule: "i810" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/i810_drv.o (II) Module i810: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.3.0 Module class: XFree86 Video Driver ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.4 (II) I810: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM/855GM, 865G (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:02:0 (--) Chipset 845G found (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x0fffffff (0xff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xc0100000 - 0xc0100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xc0080800 - 0xc00808ff (0x100) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xc0080c00 - 0xc0080dff (0x200) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0x10000000 - 0x100003ff (0x400) MX[B] [9] -1 0 0xc0080000 - 0xc00803ff (0x400) MX[B] [10] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xcfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [11] -1 0 0x80000000 - 0x8007ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0x88000000 - 0x8fffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000203f (0x40) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B] (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x0fffffff (0xff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xc0100000 - 0xc0100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xc0080800 - 0xc00808ff (0x100) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xc0080c00 - 0xc0080dff (0x200) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0x10000000 - 0x100003ff (0x400) MX[B] [9] -1 0 0xc0080000 - 0xc00803ff (0x400) MX[B] [10] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xcfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [11] -1 0 0x80000000 - 0x8007ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0x88000000 - 0x8fffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [13] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [14] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [15] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [16] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000203f (0x40) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B] [25] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B] [26] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [27] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) Loading sub module "vbe" (II) LoadModule: "vbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvbe.a (II) Module vbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (==) I810(0): Depth 8, (==) framebuffer bpp 8 (==) I810(0): RGB weight 888 (==) I810(0): Default visual is PseudoColor (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) I810(0): initializing int10 (II) I810(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (II) I810(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) I810(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 8000 kB (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM: Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: Intel Corporation (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Controller (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: Hardware Version 0.0 (II) I810(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 845G (--) I810(0): Chipset: "845G" (--) I810(0): Linear framebuffer at 0x88000000 (--) I810(0): IO registers at addr 0x80000000 (II) I810(0): detected 8060 kB stolen memory. (II) I810(0): I830CheckAvailableMemory: 88060 kB available (**) I810(0): DRI is disabled because it runs only at depths 16 and 24. (II) I810(0): Will attempt to tell the BIOS that there is 8128 kB VideoRAM (WW) I810(0): Extended BIOS function 0x5f11 not supported. (II) I810(0): Before: SWF1 is 0x00000001 (II) I810(0): After: SWF1 is 0x00000008 (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) I810(0): initializing int10 (II) I810(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (II) I810(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) I810(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 8000 kB (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM: Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: Intel Corporation (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Controller (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: Hardware Version 0.0 (II) I810(0): BIOS now sees 8000 kB VideoRAM (--) I810(0): Pre-allocated VideoRAM: 8060 kByte (==) I810(0): VideoRAM: 8192 kByte (==) I810(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe (--) I810(0): Maximum frambuffer space: 8040 kByte (==) I810(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (II) I810(0): 1 display pipe available. (II) I810(0): Display Info: CRT: attached: FALSE, present: FALSE, size: (0,0) (II) I810(0): Display Info: TV: attached: FALSE, present: FALSE, size: (0,0) (II) I810(0): Display Info: DFP (digital flat panel): attached: FALSE, present: FALSE, size: (0,0) (II) I810(0): Display Info: LFP (local flat panel): attached: FALSE, present: FALSE, size: (0,0) (II) I810(0): Display Info: TV2 (second TV): attached: FALSE, present: FALSE, size: (0,0) (II) I810(0): Display Info: DFP2 (second digital flat panel): attached: FALSE, present: FALSE, size: (0,0) (II) I810(0): Currently active displays on Pipe A: (II) I810(0): CRT (II) Loading sub module "ddc" (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) Module ddc: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE DDC supported (II) I810(0): VESA VBE DDC Level 2 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE DDC transfer in appr. 1 sec. (II) I810(0): VESA VBE DDC read successfully (II) I810(0): Manufacturer: GSM Model: 430b Serial#: 8759 (II) I810(0): Year: 2003 Week: 27 (II) I810(0): EDID Version: 1.3 (II) I810(0): Analog Display Input, Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.300 V (II) I810(0): Signal levels configurable (II) I810(0): Sync: Separate (II) I810(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 33 vert.: 25 (II) I810(0): Gamma: 2.83 (II) I810(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display (II) I810(0): redX: 0.632 redY: 0.330 greenX: 0.273 greenY: 0.605 (II) I810(0): blueX: 0.142 blueY: 0.063 whiteX: 0.283 whiteY: 0.298 (II) I810(0): Supported VESA Video Modes: (II) I810(0): 720x400@70Hz (II) I810(0): 720x400@88Hz (II) I810(0): 640x480@60Hz (II) I810(0): 640x480@67Hz (II) I810(0): 640x480@72Hz (II) I810(0): 640x480@75Hz (II) I810(0): 800x600@56Hz (II) I810(0): 800x600@60Hz (II) I810(0): 800x600@72Hz (II) I810(0): 800x600@75Hz (II) I810(0): 832x624@75Hz (II) I810(0): 1024x768@87Hz (interlaced) (II) I810(0): 1024x768@60Hz (II) I810(0): 1024x768@70Hz (II) I810(0): 1024x768@75Hz (II) I810(0): 1152x870@75Hz (II) I810(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 (II) I810(0): Supported Future Video Modes: (II) I810(0): #0: hsize: 640 vsize 480 refresh: 75 vid: 20273 (II) I810(0): #1: hsize: 640 vsize 480 refresh: 85 vid: 22833 (II) I810(0): #2: hsize: 800 vsize 600 refresh: 75 vid: 20293 (II) I810(0): #3: hsize: 800 vsize 600 refresh: 85 vid: 22853 (II) I810(0): #4: hsize: 1024 vsize 768 refresh: 75 vid: 20321 (II) I810(0): #5: hsize: 1024 vsize 768 refresh: 85 vid: 22881 (II) I810(0): #6: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 60 vid: 32897 (II) I810(0): #7: hsize: 832 vsize 624 refresh: 75 vid: 20297 (II) I810(0): Supported additional Video Mode: (II) I810(0): clock: 94.5 MHz Image Size: 310 x 230 mm (II) I810(0): h_active: 1024 h_sync: 1072 h_sync_end 1168 h_blank_end 1376 h_border: 0 (II) I810(0): v_active: 768 v_sync: 769 v_sync_end 772 v_blanking: 808 v_border: 0 (II) I810(0): Ranges: V min: 50 V max: 160 Hz, H min: 30 H max: 71 kHz, PixClock max 110 MHz (II) I810(0): Monitor name: 700S (II) I810(0): Monitor name: (II) I810(0): Will use BIOS call 0x5f05 to set refresh rates for CRTs. (II) I810(0): Will use BIOS call 0x5f64 to enable displays. (--) I810(0): Maximum space available for video modes: 8000 kByte Mode: 20 (132x25) ModeAttributes: 0xf WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 594 XResolution: 132 YResolution: 25 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 4 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 Mode: 21 (132x43) ModeAttributes: 0xf WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 594 XResolution: 132 YResolution: 43 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 4 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 Mode: 22 (132x50) ModeAttributes: 0xf WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 594 XResolution: 132 YResolution: 50 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 4 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 Mode: 23 (132x60) ModeAttributes: 0xf WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 594 XResolution: 132 YResolution: 60 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 4 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 *Mode: 30 (640x480) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 640 XResolution: 640 YResolution: 480 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 24 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 640 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 24 LinNumberOfImagePages: 24 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 *Mode: 32 (800x600) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 800 XResolution: 800 YResolution: 600 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 16 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 800 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 16 LinNumberOfImagePages: 16 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 *Mode: 34 (1024x768) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 1024 XResolution: 1024 YResolution: 768 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 9 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1024 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 9 LinNumberOfImagePages: 9 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 *Mode: 38 (1280x1024) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 1280 XResolution: 1280 YResolution: 1024 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 5 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1280 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 5 LinNumberOfImagePages: 5 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 *(WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 162MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz Mode: 3a (1600x1200) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 1600 XResolution: 1600 YResolution: 1200 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 3 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1600 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 3 LinNumberOfImagePages: 3 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 *(WW) (1920x1440,Monitor0) mode clock 234MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz Mode: 3c (1920x1440) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 1920 XResolution: 1920 YResolution: 1440 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 1 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1920 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 1 LinNumberOfImagePages: 1 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 41 (640x480) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 1280 XResolution: 640 YResolution: 480 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 12 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1280 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 12 LinNumberOfImagePages: 12 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 43 (800x600) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 1600 XResolution: 800 YResolution: 600 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 7 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1600 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 7 LinNumberOfImagePages: 7 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 45 (1024x768) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 2048 XResolution: 1024 YResolution: 768 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 4 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 2048 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 4 LinNumberOfImagePages: 4 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 49 (1280x1024) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 2560 XResolution: 1280 YResolution: 1024 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 2 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 2560 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 2 LinNumberOfImagePages: 2 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 4b (1600x1200) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 3200 XResolution: 1600 YResolution: 1200 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 1 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 3200 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 1 LinNumberOfImagePages: 1 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 4d (1920x1440) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 3840 XResolution: 1920 YResolution: 1440 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 3840 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 50 (640x480) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 2560 XResolution: 640 YResolution: 480 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 5 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 2560 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 5 LinNumberOfImagePages: 5 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 52 (800x600) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 3200 XResolution: 800 YResolution: 600 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 3 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 3200 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 3 LinNumberOfImagePages: 3 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 54 (1024x768) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 4096 XResolution: 1024 YResolution: 768 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 1 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 4096 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 1 LinNumberOfImagePages: 1 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 58 (1280x1024) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 5120 XResolution: 1280 YResolution: 1024 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 5120 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 5a (1600x1200) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 6400 XResolution: 1600 YResolution: 1200 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 6400 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 Mode: 5c (1920x1440) ModeAttributes: 0x9a WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc0005c81 BytesPerScanline: 7680 XResolution: 1920 YResolution: 1440 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x88000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 7680 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (WW) I810(0): Monitor0: Using default hsync range of 30.00-71.00kHz (WW) I810(0): Monitor0: using default vrefresh range of 50.00-160.00Hz (--) I810(0): Virtual size is 1920x1440 (pitch 1920) (**) I810(0): *Built-in mode "1920x1440" (**) I810(0): *Built-in mode "1600x1200" (**) I810(0): *Built-in mode "1280x1024" (**) I810(0): *Built-in mode "1024x768" (**) I810(0): *Built-in mode "800x600" (**) I810(0): *Built-in mode "640x480" (WW) (1920x1440,Monitor0) mode clock 234MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (WW) (1920x1440,Monitor0) mode clock 297MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (WW) (1920x1440,Monitor0) mode clock 341.35MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 162MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 175.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 189MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 202.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 229.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (WW) (1280x1024,Monitor0) mode clock 135MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (WW) (1280x1024,Monitor0) mode clock 157.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (II) I810(0): Attempting to use 60Hz refresh for mode "1280x1024" (38) (II) I810(0): Attempting to use 85Hz refresh for mode "1024x768" (34) (II) I810(0): Attempting to use 85Hz refresh for mode "800x600" (32) (II) I810(0): Attempting to use 85Hz refresh for mode "640x480" (30) (--) I810(0): Display dimensions: (330, 250) mm (--) I810(0): DPI set to (147, 146) (II) Loading sub module "fb" (II) LoadModule: "fb" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation, version 0.2 (II) Loading sub module "xaa" (II) LoadModule: "xaa" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. (II) resource ranges after preInit: [0] 0 0 0x80000000 - 0x8007ffff (0x80000) MS[B] [1] 0 0 0x88000000 - 0x8fffffff (0x8000000) MS[B] [2] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [3] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x0fffffff (0xff00000) MX[B]E(B) [4] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xc0100000 - 0xc0100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xc0080800 - 0xc00808ff (0x100) MX[B] [9] -1 0 0xc0080c00 - 0xc0080dff (0x200) MX[B] [10] -1 0 0x10000000 - 0x100003ff (0x400) MX[B] [11] -1 0 0xc0080000 - 0xc00803ff (0x400) MX[B] [12] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xcfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [13] -1 0 0x80000000 - 0x8007ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [14] -1 0 0x88000000 - 0x8fffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [15] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B](OprD) [16] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [17] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [18] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000203f (0x40) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B] [25] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B] [26] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B] [27] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B] [28] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B](OprU) [29] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B](OprU) (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) I810(0): initializing int10 (II) I810(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (II) I810(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) I810(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 8000 kB (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM: Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0 (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: Intel Corporation (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Controller (II) I810(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: Hardware Version 0.0 (II) I810(0): Before: SWF1 is 0x00000001 (II) I810(0): After: SWF1 is 0x00000008 (==) I810(0): Default visual is PseudoColor (II) I810(0): Allocated 128 kB for the ring buffer at 0x0 (II) I810(0): Allocating at least 384 scanlines for pixmap cache (II) I810(0): Initial framebuffer allocation size: 3420 kByte (II) I810(0): Allocated 4 kB for HW cursor at 0x7fff000 (II) I810(0): Allocated 4 kB for Overlay registers at 0x7ffe000 (0x03feb000). (II) I810(0): Allocated 64 kB for the scratch buffer at 0x7fee000 (II) I810(0): Updated framebuffer allocation size from 3420 to 3840 kByte (II) I810(0): Updated pixmap cache from 384 scanlines to 608 scanlines (II) I810(0): 0x8431ab0: Memory at offset 0x00020000, size 3840 kBytes (II) I810(0): 0x8431ad0: Memory at offset 0x07fff000, size 4 kBytes (II) I810(0): 0x8431af4: Memory at offset 0x00000000, size 128 kBytes (II) I810(0): 0x8431b24: Memory at offset 0x07fee000, size 64 kBytes (II) I810(0): 0x8431b44: Memory at offset 0x07ffe000, size 4 kBytes (==) I810(0): Write-combining range (0x88000000,0x8000000) (II) I810(0): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset is 0x0000 (II) I810(0): xf86BindGARTMemory: bind key 0 at 0x07fff000 (pgoffset 32767) (II) I810(0): xf86BindGARTMemory: bind key 2 at 0x07fee000 (pgoffset 32750) (II) I810(0): xf86BindGARTMemory: bind key 1 at 0x07ffe000 (pgoffset 32766) (WW) I810(0): PGTBL_ER is 0x00000049 (II) I810(0): Before: SWF1 is 0x00000008 (II) I810(0): After: SWF1 is 0x00000008 (II) I810(0): Display plane A is enabled. (II) I810(0): Display plane B is disabled. (II) I810(0): PIPEACONF is 0xc0000000 (II) I810(0): Mode bandwidth is 165 Mpixel/s (II) I810(0): maxBandwidth is 1152 Mbyte/s, pipe bandwidths are 228 Mbyte/s, 0 Mbyte/s (WW) I810(0): Extended BIOS function 0x5f61 not supported. (II) I810(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Solid Horizontal and Vertical Lines Offscreen Pixmaps Setting up tile and stipple cache: 32 128x128 slots 7 256x256 slots (==) I810(0): Backing store disabled (==) I810(0): Silken mouse enabled (II) I810(0): Initializing HW Cursor (**) Option "dpms" (**) I810(0): DPMS enabled (II) I810(0): direct rendering: Disabled (==) RandR enabled (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension LBX (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR (**) Option "Protocol" "auto" (**) Mouse0: Protocol: "auto" (**) Option "CorePointer" (**) Mouse0: Core Pointer (**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" (**) Mouse0: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (==) Mouse0: Buttons: 3 (II) Keyboard "Keyboard0" handled by legacy driver (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse0" (type: MOUSE) (--) Mouse0: PnP-detected protocol: "ImPS/2" (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded (WW) I810(0): Setting the original video mode instead of restoring the saved state (II) I810(0): xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 0 (II) I810(0): xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 2 (II) I810(0): xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 1

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Inviting new c programmers and experienced linux users as well on a big opportunity
by krishnakant Mane 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

hello all, this is Krishnakant mane again. as I had mentioned in my previous email, we are developing a talking book reader which can be attached to a scanner and can aquire documents and read it. I am particularly writing this email for gnu/ linux users and programmers in Mumbai. I am inviting active contributions from programmers who will like to join me on this project. it is a great opportunity to develop your programming skills and learn a lot about our favorite operating system. and this is a noble project. I am also facing some shortage of programmers on this project in particular so please try to contribute as much as you can. Krishnakant.

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technical contrubution needed on a talking book reader using gnu/ linux
by krishnakant Mane 24 Aug '06

24 Aug '06

hello all, I had introduced myself in my previous email regarding gnopernicus. for those who did not read it. I am a new member from Mumbai. my name is Krishnakant Mane and I am totally blind. I have done research from IIT mumbai and now own a software firm. basically I am posting this email to inform all that I am developing a talking book reader. it is a device which can be carried in the pocket and can be attached to any scanner. once the printed matter is scanned the ocr software will convert it into text document or word document. then the device can be detached and the blind person can read those scanned documents any time any where. we are using all free software including ocr softwares etc. the device will be running gnu with linux kernel booting from a USB pen drive. however I have certain issues regarding the system. I also want to make this a community project so more and more people can benifit. I am not putting all the details in this email, but those who will be interested in contrubuting to this project can email me personally on researchbase(a)gmail.com or krmane(a)gmail.com as an alternative. right now the major problem is to create a small linux kernel that can have only sufficient modules to boot from a pen drive and support sound. please send me private emails if any one would be interested to assist. thanking all Krishnakant.

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Wireless data card
by Sameer N Ingole 24 Aug '06

24 Aug '06

Hi All, I am planning to buy a wireless data card. Two services I have identified so far: Reliance: provides Huawei cards Airtel: provides Option cards ("Option" is the company name) I want it to work on Linux. Did anyone successfully configure any of those two before? Any input is appreciated. Regards, -- Sameer N. Ingole http://weblogic.noroot.org/ --- Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

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Key board events interfering with amarok
by Steven Joseph 23 Aug '06

23 Aug '06

Hi .. ive been using amarok at work ... and a strange thing happens ... after some time ... whenever i continuously hold down any key ... amarok playback starts skipping ... weird ... anyone has any idea .. or had similar experiences .. ? maybe i shoul file a bugreport ... but i have no clue whats going on ... my wild guess is something to do with dcop ... ;-) -- Steven Joseph -- Life would have been a lot more easier if we could look at the source code.

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Crisp Fonts on FC5
by Francis 23 Aug '06

23 Aug '06

I use FC5 and I notice that the fonts are now crisp enough as compared to that on Ubuntu. I checked in Ubuntu that is used the Sans font . I also tried "Subpixel smoothing (LCDs)" but I still don't get the same Clean Crispy Gnome Menus in the FC5 . Any inputs as to why this behavior ?? Cheers, Francis

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Installlation of himachi web server
by sushma darole 23 Aug '06

23 Aug '06

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SED expression
by Sushant Gulati 23 Aug '06

23 Aug '06

Hello everyone. Can anyone give me the sed command for replacing a ? with a blank space in a file? i was trying out with a command resembling this: sed -e s/?/a/g test to replace all the occurences of ? with an a. But please advise me on how to use ablank space as a replacement text in the command. Thanks & regards, Sushant __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [OT]fetchmail + gmail: How to prevent downloading archived mail
by Krishna Dagli/Krushna Dagli 22 Aug '06

22 Aug '06

> > Dear List, > > I use my GMail address to receive all my mails. I use POP to receive > the mails and a copy of every mail is archived after it is downloaded > from the server. I use fetchmail to download the messages and Mutt is > my mailing agent. Sometimes, when I receive a large number of > messages, I check my mail directly on mail.google.com , that is I read > the mails and archive them. Now, the next time I use fetchmail to > download my mails, the mails which I'd read and archived are also > downloaded. Is there any way to prevent this? Can you tell if this is happening after setting up pop access in gmail? ie. After reading mail thr' web interface if you setup pop access again does next fetch cycle download those messages? -Krishna

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[OT] database connection to MySql from Java using UNIXODBC
by Francis 22 Aug '06

22 Aug '06

Hi, Has anyone connected a java Applet to a MySql using "sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver" and UnixODBC Francis

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centOS discs
by Abhishek Daga 22 Aug '06

22 Aug '06

Hi, Does anyone have copies of CentOS? I am looking for CDs. So if anyone can lend their copy or exchange a copy for blanks, I'd appreciate it. thank you, abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Announce] Public lecture by Richard Stallman
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

Quoting Roshan <d_rosh2001(a)yahoo.co.in>: > > SNDT University, HBCSE and GLUG Mumbai invite you to > > attend public > > lecture by Richard Stallman at Patkar Hall, SNDT > > University's > > Churchgate Campus on Sunday, 27th August 2006. > > > > Date: Sunday, 27th August 2006 > > Time: 5:00 PM > > Venue: Patkar Hall, SNDT Campus, Marine Lines - > > Mumbai > > Topic: Free Software, Free Knowledge, Free Society. > > > > Everyone is invited to attend and benefit from the > > talk. There is no > > registration procedure or fees for attending. > Wow! But there aren't any reaching instructions > on the GLUG-Website. > Is the hall closer to Marine Lines Station or > Churchgate Station. Any specific lankdmarks ? Bus > Route Nos.? > Get out of the station from the north end, using the subway to the east, then keep going east till you hit Marine Lines (about 200 meters). Ask for Patkar Hall.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

> no, i havent read the GPL. The first software i released was on CPAN > - for license i just put 'same as perl'. Later, for my sf projects i > chose GPL because it was the first choice on the sf list. So is not 'F' the first character of FOSS? And dont you use NRC-FOSS as your signature? If you have not read/understood the GPL then that 'F' does not make any sense to you. Before going any further, let me tell you such behaviour will severely reduce your credibility. > people who write FOSS code are too busy to bother themselves with the > complexities and nit picking of the GPL and prefer a less obtrusive > license which allows them to concentrate on what they do best - > producing code. So I will probably be shifting my projects to a BSD > style license in the near future. Ah. Brilliant. Concentrate on what they do best? Why dont you go to Microsoft. They have projects in Sourceforge, and the best thing is they will give you one laptop and a desktop (the very best ones) plus a fat paycheck. That will ensure you can keep concentrating on your code, and reap the benefits (point 13 of BG's mail). >> Write code for Microsoft or Apple? > a suprising amount of foss code *is* written for those platforms - > see the top 20 on sourceforge Thats what. Microsoft IS the place for you. By the way Microsoft took its TCP/IP stack code from a BSD-style license only. > Kenneth Gonsalves > Associate, NRC-FOSS > lawgon(a)au-kbc.org > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ NRC-FOSS, eh? Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [Announce] Public lecture by Richard Stallman
by Roshan 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

> SNDT University, HBCSE and GLUG Mumbai invite you to > attend public > lecture by Richard Stallman at Patkar Hall, SNDT > University's > Churchgate Campus on Sunday, 27th August 2006. > > Date: Sunday, 27th August 2006 > Time: 5:00 PM > Venue: Patkar Hall, SNDT Campus, Marine Lines - > Mumbai > Topic: Free Software, Free Knowledge, Free Society. > > Everyone is invited to attend and benefit from the > talk. There is no > registration procedure or fees for attending. Wow! But there aren't any reaching instructions on the GLUG-Website. Is the hall closer to Marine Lines Station or Churchgate Station. Any specific lankdmarks ? Bus Route Nos.? Though I do have lectures on Sunday too, hopefully, 27th being Ganesh Chaturthi, my lectures may be cancelled, I think, I will be able to make it there. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [Ilug-cal-discuss] Fedora Core & Intel 855GM
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

NB: I am sending this to both lists since I have mixed up the threads in both of them. The original question was asked in the ilug-cal-discuss. This has happened entirely due to my callousness. I hope you will understand. > Try doing this, stop your X, remove i810 (modprobe -r i810) then load > i915 (modprobe i915), start your X. See if it works. If it doesn't then > it's clearly a hardware issue. If it works, then fiddle with your > /etc/modprobe.conf and make sure it loads i915 at next boot instead of i810. Yes it works. Interestingly my /etc/X11/xorg.conf says: Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "i810" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device" EndSection Even after modprobing the i915 driver, if I change the xorg.conf entry from i810 to i915, X refuses to start. This was the problem I had encountered in the past. Is it necessary to change the entry at all? > I am a Debian / Ubuntu guy. It's been a long time since I have used > anything else. :D > PS - Debarshi, can you kindly fix your mail client (GMail?)? It creates > a new thread each time you reply. Check the list archives to confirm the > issue. Not only that, my GMail autocompletion is also creating a lot of problems by popping out different addresses for the same keyword at different times. Thats no excuse, and I hope I will be able to rectify very soon. Cheerio, Debarshi -- Don't be humble ... you're not that great. -- Golda Meir

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Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: RHEL 3 on IBM x346
by Krishna Dagli/Krushna Dagli 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

On 8/19/06, Krishna Dagli/Krushna Dagli <krishna.dagli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > The initial setup disk with xSeries server comes with a linux driver, > for that matter entire intaller is based on linux (before you choose > which OS to install and RAID configuration part). Check that disk but > after booting through it. >Thats the way to go while installing windows on the xseries. Yes that's correct but the installer is in Linux, once booted through setup disk you can go to virtual terminal and search for the driver. -KrD

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Re: RHEL 3 on IBM x346
by Krishna Dagli/Krushna Dagli 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

On 8/18/06, Nadeem M. Khan <nadeem.m.khan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi. > > I am trying to install RHEL AS 3 on IBM xSeries 346, but it fails to > detect my hard disks. It fails to get a driver for Adaptec SCSI > controller. Cribs about aic7xxx. >chk for certification of RHEL 3 on that specific model of x346. >You >should be able to get some how / patches from IBM site The initial setup disk with xSeries server comes with a linux driver, for that matter entire intaller is based on linux (before you choose which OS to install and RAID configuration part). Check that disk but after booting through it. HTH -Krishna

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[Announce] Public lecture by Richard Stallman
by Anurag 20 Aug '06

20 Aug '06

Hello list members, SNDT University, HBCSE and GLUG Mumbai invite you to attend public lecture by Richard Stallman at Patkar Hall, SNDT University's Churchgate Campus on Sunday, 27th August 2006. Date: Sunday, 27th August 2006 Time: 5:00 PM Venue: Patkar Hall, SNDT Campus, Marine Lines - Mumbai Topic: Free Software, Free Knowledge, Free Society. Everyone is invited to attend and benefit from the talk. There is no registration procedure or fees for attending. Poster: http://www.glug-bom.org/media/rms-lecture Please circulate this invitation across all colleges. Inscape SVG, Postscript files for above poster are available here. http://db.glug-bom.org/lug-meetings/Aug-2006/rms-lecture/ Take a print of the poster and put it up in your colleges. Anurag

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Re: [Ilug-cal-discuss] Fedora Core & Intel 855GM
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 20 Aug '06

20 Aug '06

> Check the X & kernel version. Does FC 5 have X.org v 7.x? My kernel is 2.6.17. It is the official Fedora Core 5 RPM kernel. I have X.org 7.0. Anyway here is what I did to check it: [rishi@Sunflower X11]$ Xorg -version X Window System Version 7.0.0 Release Date: 21 December 2005 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0 Build Operating System:Linux 2.6.9-34.ELsmp i686Red Hat, Inc. Current Operating System: Linux Sunflower 2.6.17-1.2157_FC5 #1 Tue Jul 11 22:55:46 EDT 2006 i686 Build Date: 30 June 2006 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present [rishi@Sunflower X11]$ > Also, the > kernel should use the i915 driver for this card, as I do on my old > Toshiba laptop with 855GM and I get very decent 3D support. I think I am using the i810 driver. My guess was it should be i915 as you said, since the system detects my mother-board as Intel 852 and not 855GM. As a result I had earlier tried fiddling with the 2.6.16 vanilla kernel, where I compiled i915 drivers and removed the i810 one. I do not remember the exact details of the various configurations I tried, but my X simply refused to start. Do you have any specific suggestions, or should I just try again and get back with the exact things I did. By the way are you using Ubuntu or Fedora? Thanks, Debarshi -- Don't be humble ... you're not that great. -- Golda Meir

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Commerical: Setting up Network Monitoring Tools
by bimal pandit 20 Aug '06

20 Aug '06

Dear Vishal, On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 Vishal wrote : >Hello , > >We are looking out for Linux based consulting companies/Individual who can assist in setting up Linux based Network Monitoring Tools like NTOP /NAGIOS etc in our Organization in Mumbai for monitoring Network across various locations . Any interested can email me at vishal_r(a)hotmail.com > >Thanks & Regards > >Vishal >+91-9820050765 sure why not???, shoot your requirement and queries. Bimal Pandit

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RHEL 3 on IBM x346
by Nadeem M. Khan 20 Aug '06

20 Aug '06

Hi. I am trying to install RHEL AS 3 on IBM xSeries 346, but it fails to detect my hard disks. It fails to get a driver for Adaptec SCSI controller. Cribs about aic7xxx. Just for kicks I tried installing RHEL ES 4 and it installs without issues. But the client requirement is RHEL AS 3. Since x346 is a common server, I thought someone might be able to shed some light on this. Where do I get the driver? Googled like hell, but no go. I am supposed to be looking for a .img file that fits onto a floppy and then issue the linux dd command, right? Regards, NMK.

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Fwd: Regading SATA
by Steven Joseph 20 Aug '06

20 Aug '06

Does any one have a solution ... im kinda lost on this ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sanjit Nair <sanjit.nair(a)gmail.com> Date: Aug 18, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Regading SATA To: Steven Joseph <stevenjose(a)gmail.com> A friend is having problems in installing Suse onto a SATA disk... Error :- HardDisk Not detected U have ne walk around?? -- With lots of love;Sanjit -- Steven Joseph -- Life would have been a lot more easier if we could look at the source code.

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Commerical: Setting up Network Monitoring Tools
by Vishal 19 Aug '06

19 Aug '06

Hello , We are looking out for Linux based consulting companies/Individual who can assist in setting up Linux based Network Monitoring Tools like NTOP /NAGIOS etc in our Organization in Mumbai for monitoring Network across various locations . Any interested can email me at vishal_r(a)hotmail.com Thanks & Regards Vishal +91-9820050765

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fetchmail + gmail: How to prevent downloading archived mail
by Aparna Appaiah 19 Aug '06

19 Aug '06

Dear List, I use my GMail address to receive all my mails. I use POP to receive the mails and a copy of every mail is archived after it is downloaded from the server. I use fetchmail to download the messages and Mutt is my mailing agent. Sometimes, when I receive a large number of messages, I check my mail directly on mail.google.com , that is I read the mails and archive them. Now, the next time I use fetchmail to download my mails, the mails which I'd read and archived are also downloaded. Is there any way to prevent this? Regards, Aparna. -- Aparna Appaiah

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Re: unscubscribe me
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Aug '06

19 Aug '06

> It is unfortunate that you have been hurt due to recent developments in > the list. And my apologies to all for top posting. > > However, since this list being a public forum, list administrators have > limited control over the individual members behaviour. The controls are > in the form of moderation and occasional expulsion from the list. > > So far, you have been neither put on moderation nor have been removed > from the list proves that the list administrators have found nothing > wrong with the posts you have posted so far. > > When you participate in any public forum and when you express your ideas > and opinions, you are bound to receive bouquets and brickbats. I understand this. I was concerned because I had heard from the very few list members, whom I have the good fortune of knowing in person, that the general opinion about me had turned negative due to my 'ill-behaviour' on the list. Since I did not understand what my mistakes were, and apprehensive of the fact that the list administrators might be contemplating action against me, I thought I would check with you. > I will suggest that you continue to be on the list, but at the same time > exercise due control in replying to various mails. I would suggest that > you can completely ignore all treads which is non-technical in nature > and stay away from all philosophical, political and ideological > discussions and threads. Your advice is well taken and appreciated. > You are also free to leave the forum if you think that the discussions > not suitable for you or the discussions happening on the list is against > your ideologies and beliefs I have high regard for some of the members of linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org and hopefully such a situation would not arise in the future. > I sincerely hope that you will understand the limitations and pitfalls > of list administrations. Rest assured. I do. Yours truly, Debarshi -- Don't be humble ... you're not that great. -- Golda Meir

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purity of Linux install
by Rohit V Bhute 19 Aug '06

19 Aug '06

I missed all the threads last week. Mr. Nagarjuna's post about the vrms utility was a good one, though. I did it on my Ubuntu - I am 0.6% impure ;-) *** Non-free packages installed on bhute gogo mp3 encoder linux-386 Complete Linux kernel on 386. linux-restricted-modules- Non-free Linux 2.6.15 modules on 386 linux-restricted-modules- Restricted Linux modules on 386. linux-restricted-modules- Non-free Linux 2.6.15 modules helper script mpg123 MPEG layer 1/2/3 audio player Reason: No commercial distribution or use, no modifications allowed ttf-gentium Gentium TrueType font unrar Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) Reason: Modifications problematic 8 non-free packages, 0.6% of 1234 installed packages. *** Seeing linux-386 in the list was a bit surprising though. -- Rohit V. Bhute http://blog.rvbhute.org

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Configuring ADSL Internet (MTNL-Tri-Band) on FC2 Linux ..
by Onkar N Mahajan 19 Aug '06

19 Aug '06

I ugrently need help for installing the Internet on my Linux box. I need it very urgently for my projects.. I am ready to pay a for the support. I am using Fedora core 2 Linux... I have tried all options for support from MTNL but all futile.. I am located at Belapur-CBD. Please help me ! onkar

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[OT][CAUTION] Dell Laptop Battery Issue.
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 19 Aug '06

19 Aug '06

Hello All, This is in public interest so I hope the list admins don't block this. In today's Times of India 17th Aug., there is an writeup on page 27 called "Not just laptops, phones can burn too". Here the author suggests that if they find that their Dell laptop has the suspect battery, then remove it from the laptop and use the laptop on mains power. IMHO feel that powering the laptop without a battery could cause permanent DAMAGE to it. Any device that uses a rechargable battery has a charger that has an output voltage thats higher than the battery level. The battery acts as a load resistance and limits the maximum voltage to its maximum charge level. In the abscence of a battery, the full voltage of the charger gets kicked into the device's ass and that damages the circuit inside. This applies to mobiles and cordlesses too. So if you love your laptop or mobile, please do not power it without a battery. If anyone has any *technical* input regarding this matter then post your replies or else please don't bomb this thread either from land or outer space nor treat it like a chai tapri or an Irani hotel for off tangent discussions. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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How to connect to the Internet using motorola sb5101 cable modem in fc5
by Mahesh Gurav 18 Aug '06

18 Aug '06

Hi I'm new to linux. I have installed FC5 a day ago and want to connect to the internet. My service provider is Hathway Cable Internet and i connect windows xp to the internet using Motorola SB5101 cable modem provided by hathway. If anyone could tell me in details how to connect FC5 to the internet. I have the IP address and dns server setting which I have noted down from XP. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Diverted Topic - RMS in Mumbai
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 18 Aug '06

18 Aug '06

Isnt it amazing how this groups takes all things off on a tangent and makes the thread loose its original purpose ? If anyone were to use the search engine to find out when RMS will be here and where he will meet, he will be totally lost. I have been ignoring the thread completely (just delete it when mails come) without a second look. I just hope no further information on RMS's schedule has been provided somewhere lurking among all the hot-air bags talking of licensing. In fact, it has also gone to why new planets are being added to our solar system !!!! For those who want to know, the last information I managed to get is that RMS will be giving a public lecture on Sunday 27th August 2006 at Patkar Hall, Churchgate. The time has not been given yet. Dr. Nagarjuna, I hope, will give the final time in a separate thread and with a separate subject heading or I atleast, will not know about it. Regards Saswata

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RMS in Mumbai
by nagarjun＠gnowledge.org 18 Aug '06

18 Aug '06

RMS (Richard M. Stallman) will be in Mumbai on 27th. The purpose of this email is to know if we could organize a public lecture on 27th. Please let me know your ideas: like your organization or college would like to host him and the lecture etc. Nagarjuna

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kde optimization tips ...
by Steven Joseph 18 Aug '06

18 Aug '06

Hi some tips to optimize kde http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Performance+Tips -- Steven Joseph -- Life would have been a lot more easier if we could look at the source code.

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Service Interruption
by Anurag 18 Aug '06

18 Aug '06

Hello, Due to routine maintenance at the data center, ILUG-BOM services will not be available tomorrow, Saturday 19th August 2006. Everything should be working by Sunday, 20th. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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adding swap to existing install
by rohit bhute 18 Aug '06

18 Aug '06

I am going to install Oracle XE on Ubuntu, for which I require 1 GB of swap. I already have 512 MB of swap space. I intend to add a 1GB swap partition. Can I do it to an xisting install? Say, by creating the partition and adding the corresponding entry to fstab? -- Rohit V. Bhute http://blog.rvbhute.org/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Non-sensensical people like me?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 18 Aug '06

18 Aug '06

>> You see it all started when someone thought RMS has outgrown his >> relevance in response to a honest question regarding the identity of >> RMS. > dont distort history, it all started when the person who made an honest > question regarding the identity of RMS got flamed for asking and was > threatened with being driven off the list. That depends on the way you look at it. http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060814/053266.ht… Thats where the "who is RMS" thing was asked. True I thought Baishampayan was a bit patronizing in his post (http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060814/053268.ht…), but then he is free to do so. In the very next message in date-wise order (http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060814/053270.ht…) Dinesh accepts that "the issue is sorted out". Immediately after that we have this: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060814/053288.ht…. What was the use of such a post out of the blue? Even after the original question had been amicably answered. I have spent close to one hour in reading the entire archives of the last 2 weeks to find out what made Manu think I am a non-sensical person crazy about FOSS politics. Having done that, I have missed my lunch and I am in no mood to participate in this RMS vs. ESR, FSD vs. OSD, "Debarshi is non-sensical" debate any more. I would rather invest my time in writing some usefull code. People who just want to continue the discussion please carry one, but I am not making any replies to questions directed at me. Not even if some-one calls me an imbecile, moron or whatever. Before finishing off I have one last thing to add. How can some so fond of ESR and BSD ask something like this: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060814/053359.ht… ?? Was this not senseless? Sorry Siddhesh I did not stop the thread at the last post itself, but I am stopping it right here. Carry one fellas, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Configuring mtnl broadband ...
by Navin Daund 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

Hi All, WISH YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!! Thanks for replying quick to help me configure mtnl broadband, however I am not good at CUI commands. when I run Internet connection wizard, I get crashdump which is attached herewith for your information. It says, An unhandled exception is occured. When I do #netconfig on root prompt, it allows me to set IP, subnet, gateway and nameserver, but after I select OK, it comes back to prompt. When I do #service named restart, it says cannot find localhost. When we do #service network restart, it comes back to prompt. If I go back to #netconfig, I find all values blank as if it is aloowing me to input fresh values again. I am not sure if the installation is complete in all respect, though there was not a single error while gui installation. I am using IBM netvist 6824 P-IV 1.8, 128 MB, onboard intel ethernet and red hat 9.0. please help me with this. Thanks and regards,

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BSD
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> The goal of the BSD license is to promote the development of useful >> software. How it is used and what benefits the end users gain (or >> lose) are not relevant to the programmers who want to contribute code >> under this license. >> >> If I want to see my software widely used and don't care about the fact >> that the end user may not be able to modify it, I would choose the BSD >> license. > are you sure bsd-style licenses forbid enduser modification? Most of the > internet is down for me, so i couldnt verify this As far as I know, BSD allows 'someone' to make a derivative work out of a 'free' work and then prohibit the community from looking at the source, changing, modifying or distributing it further. In fact Microsoft did just that with the TCP/IP stack developed by BSD. Note that the license does not prohibit from making enduser modification, but allows others to prohibit, whereas the GPL prohibits the others from prohibiting. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[Commercial] Job Opening for the post of System Administrator.
by gautam borad 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

Dear Group Members, There is an opening for the position of System Administrator at Eisodus Networks Pvt. Ltd. [www.eisodus.com] Job Requirements . Redhat/Gentoo Linux server administration . Windows 2003 server administration . Networking skills, firewall, subnetting, routing etc. . Customizing distros, software management (Gentoo/FC/Redhat) . Database management . Backup management (Data includes SVN data) . Printer and scanner management . Email Account creation and management . Performance optimization . Scripting skills . Website management . Troubleshooting skills . Strong interest in technology . Excellent verbal and written communication skills Job location : Mumbai. Those interested may mail their profiles immediately to gautam(a)eisodus.com with "Pos: Sys Ad." in the subject line.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> My observation is that most of these people are simple-minded ignorant >> characters who need someone to 'drill' the facts into their head. > This statement comes as a surprise from you. Why is everybody expected > to know about gnu or freedom (software) when everyone is not from the > computer software field and has switched over from windows to linux as > an operating system only. Ideologies take time to get induced and > spread. Hehehehe... Arey I have seen Computer Science & Engineering majors and their teachers make such 'mistakes' or even graver ones. People of this category often talk about GCC, GNOME, GRUB, BASH, blah blah... without ever realising that GNU does have something to do with it. I have a guy who keeps chasing me to fix some issue with his GRUB, but I bet he has no idea about the GPL or RMS. Talking about the common man, many of them are quite familiar about Linux, but no inkling about GNU. They think Linus Torvalds is this amazing programmer, and I would not be suprised if they said "Hacker to Ankit Fadia hai bhai, yeh Richard Stallman koun hai?" This is sick, because if it was not for the GNU and its GPL then even the Linux kernel would not have here as it is today. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Non-sensensical people like me?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

I will appreciate if you atleast CC your replies to the list. > I remember being part of this list once and I unsubscribed because of > non-sense people like Debarshi. Please elaborate. > After all this bull-shit in this thread, I am again going off the > list. This list just talks about the politics. Grow up Debarshi et al. You see it all started when someone thought RMS has outgrown his relevance in response to a honest question regarding the identity of RMS. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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BSD: Marketing
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> Umm...not to belittle BSD community but BSD isn't not exactly known >> widely, is it? Sure, they have great stuff but its not always superior > Marketing. True. Strangely there isn't much to prove this. Why did not Redhat, Cygnus or Canonical choose to go the BSD way? My guess is nobody likes the prospect of having M$ laying its hands on the code. ;-) I have heard Mark Shuttleworth say that he started with the GPL, shifted to BSD because he realised that the GPL was restrictive, then he reverted back to the GPL. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> PostgresSQL, Apache, Subversion, ZOPE, Python are definitely FOSS. > then why have they rejected the GPL - must be something wrong with them > (according to your theory) I am neither proposing nor propagating any theory. All that I am saying is no matter how much one loves the ideals of the BSD and the Open Source Definition, one has to have read the GPL or the Free Software Definition. Not only because the FSD predates the BSD, but also because you need to know about something in order to criticise it. If someone is fond of ESR, BSD, OSD, Bruce Perens, etc. I have no issues as long as they do not indulge in berating 'others', where 'others' are people from whom ESR and Bruce Perens have derived their ideas. (Ref: Revolution OS) Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

> If you are even remotely > interested in GNU/Linux, you _should_ know about GNU, the GNU Project > and rms! I don't say that you need to know that the `m' in `rms' is > Matthew, but you should at least have heard about Richard Stallman. True. But it is not so easy. Everyday I come across people who know about Linux, but not about GNU; people who know about Open Source but not about Free Software; people who know about Linus Torvalds and not about RMS. It is a very sorry state of affairs, but thats a reality. This is in no way helped by the constant debates on why one should call it GNU/Linux instead of Linux or the other way around. My observation is that most of these people are simple-minded ignorant characters who need someone to 'drill' the facts into their head. This very person who does not know who RMS is or what GNU is might already know Linus Torvalds. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> > no, i havent read the GPL. The first software i released was on CPAN >> > - for license i just put 'same as perl'. Later, for my sf projects i >> > chose GPL because it was the first choice on the sf list. >> So is not 'F' the first character of FOSS? And dont you use NRC-FOSS >> as your signature? If you have not read/understood the GPL then that >> 'F' does not make any sense to you. Before going any further, let me >> tell you such behaviour will severely reduce your credibility. > you mean postgresql, apache, subversion, zope, python are all not FOSS? You got me totally wrong. PostgresSQL, Apache, Subversion, ZOPE, Python are definitely FOSS. All that I meant was, someone who uses the word FOSS, meaning Free & Open Source Software, in his signature must have read the GNU GPL. One paragraph at least. If you have not and think RMS has lost his relevance then kindly use OSS instead of FOSS. You are gravely misleading people. Why so? I think so, because as Devdas corectly pointed out, the concept of Free Software predates the concepts of Open Source Software, and all major proponents of Open Source like Bruce Perens, Eric S. Raymond (ESR) have a high regard for Free Software ideals, the GNU GPL, and RMS. (Ref: Revolution OS). > So what > happens to your credibility - you work on python/zope/subversion. I do not know. But then I am not worried since I do not indulge in RMS bashing, although I tend to use his initials at times in contexts which some people do not approve of. :D (BG?) But then they are free to state their opinion. Moreover neither am I claiming to something absurd as not having read anything written by RMS and everything from ESR. I am a GNU developer and I have read the GPL, although I might admit that I do not clearly understand the GFDL. I do not I am making any false claims anywhere. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] An appeal
by Nagarjuna G. 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

(If you are a commmon member of the lists to which this email is sent, you get more than one copy of this mail, sorry.) As many of you know FSF India is organizing GPL V3 Conference at Bangalore, (http://gplv3.gnu.org.in). The response to the conference was overwhelming, and we already recieved registrations beyond the capacity. We thank you all for the enthusiastic response. Due to recent increased security restrictions on both International and national airlines, some of our guests were diverted to other less restrictive airlines which allowed laptops and books. Making these alternative arragements to our guests caused doubling of the expenses, and cancellation expenses. In some cases refunds were also not possible. As a result FSF India does not have these extra funds at this moment. We thought of bringing this to the notice of free software community, and explore the possibility of support. This is an appeal to contribute to FSF India. Since we do not have enough time to make alternative arrangements we seek your active support at this needy hour. Even if the support is small from each of you, if more people give a small sum, we will be able to make sure this will happen. The additional required budget is around Rs. 150,000/- (or around $3000/-). If you also know any one who could sponsor a ticket or part of the ticket do let us know. The conference registration was kept free and we thought we could manage well with our earlier budgets. Conference registration continues to be free, but do consider sending donations. You may also consider becoming taking fellowship (http://www.gnu.org.in/fellowship). http://www.gnu.org.in/donate#account FSF Account information: Free Software Foundation of India. Acc No : 632000002698 Bank : HDFC Bank LTD. Branch : Trivandrum. FSF India have 80G status under Income Tax Act. All donations to FSF India are tax-deductible (by order number: C. No 302/ADIT(E)/24/2005-05 Dated: 25/01/06 ). Please note that, for the time being, we are unable to accept donations from outside India. Thanks Nagarjuna

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Debian
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

Yesterday, ie. 16th of August was the 13th birthday of the Debian Project. Here is wishing it a belated Happy Birthday! Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] An appeal
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

> > Apart from that, if every member of this list donates Rs. 50 each, the > > problem will be suitably resolved. After all what is Rs. 50 for the > > future of the license which has been the cornerstone of FOSS for so > > many years. > Ok, How to do it? > Have you opened any account (ICICI/HDFC) where money can be deposited > locally. The following excerpt from the original mail might help you. > consider becoming taking fellowship (http://www.gnu.org.in/fellowship). > > http://www.gnu.org.in/donate#account > > FSF Account information: > > Free Software Foundation of India. > Acc No : 632000002698 > Bank : HDFC Bank LTD. > Branch : Trivandrum. > > FSF India have 80G status under Income Tax Act. All donations to FSF > India are tax-deductible (by order number: C. No > 302/ADIT(E)/24/2005-05 Dated: 25/01/06 ). > > Please note that, for the time being, we are unable to accept > donations from outside India. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: RMS in Mumbai
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

Quoting Nagarjuna : > From: "G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> > On 8/16/06, jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> wrote: > > > > - The word 'free' in Free software was about freedom and not > > > > price > > > > > > > > So in my case the ideology happened after 5 years of using the > > > > software. :-) > > > > > > In essence, Free software and Open Source software mean the same > > > thing. > > > > They dont mean the same thing all though they refer to the same body > > of software. > > > > I wish to add something here, something I learned in my graduate > courses in Philosophy some 12 years ago. There is an expression > called 'evening star', and another called 'morning star'. They both > refer to the same thing, namely the planet, venus. Since this object > appears first to the naked eye, and is very bright that can be seen > even before dark, it is called by this name. The expressions have > different meanings, but the same reference. But the name 'Planet > Venus' clarifies that it is not a star, but planet, and the notiion of > what astronomical objects are planet are well defined. Actually, the concept of planet was not at all well defined, it wasn't defined at all reasonably until today, when a meeting of astronomers decided to include Xena, Charon and Ceres as planets, pushing the known planets total to 12. Maybe the astrological significance of Free Software is aligned to this, which is why there is such argument and confusion about GNU and Linux. --- Vickram

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Fwd: Freedel 2006: Call for Papers
by Gaurav Mishra 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> Date: Aug 14, 2006 11:37 PM Subject: Freedel 2006: Call for Papers To: ilugd(a)lists.linux-delhi.org, linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net, mancom(a)linux-delhi.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, The annual ILUG-Delhi event, Freedel, is back in it's 2006 avatar. Partnering with Jawaharlal Nehru University, this year we have the following streams: - - Servers and Administration - - Desktop Applications - - Education - - Multi-lingual and Localisation - - Applications (from web to desktop to server) - - Multi-media and graphics The event will be held on September 16 and 17, 2006 at the Bio-Informatics Centre and Auditorium, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi. The talk formats will be: - - 40-minute seminar-style presentations with 10 minutes for Q&A - - 1/2-day in-depth tutorials on basic FOSS topics - - Informal talks in the lawns (or the lab if infrastructure is needed) - - BoF sessions You are invited to present a paper in any of the streams that interests you. The process for paper submission and acceptance is: 1. Submit an one-page abstract of your talk. Mention special infrastructure that you will require for your talk. 2. A ``select group'' (i.e. the usual gang of suspects) reviews your abstract and shortlists it. 3. You are notified that your paper has been selected. 4. Submit the presentation material for the paper (in OOo Impress or PDF format). 5. Make the presentation at the event. If you are interested, please make a one-page abstract of your talk and mail it to: talks(a)linux-delhi.org The last date for submission of abstracts is August 28, 2006 The short list will be announced on September 4, 2006 The last date for acceptance of the presentation material is September 11, 2006 Please note that abstracts received after August 28 will not be considered for talks. Similarly, talks for which presentation material has not reached by September 11 will be knocked off the schedule. All presentation material must be available for redistribution under a FLOSS-type license. Members of LUGs across the country are invited to participate and present at the event. If you act soon, we would be glad to share the cost of your travel to/from Delhi, finances permitting. Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQFE4LvTyWjQ78xo0X8RAvJFAJ4ohvMm/2dao+ojf3+DHxhL5ggyEgCeMVkR 916NYXRn5XFPJE02nlLUk5o= =SBCz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Linux User #348873 ILUGD Commitee Member, GZLUG , DGLUG Moderator Software Trainee @ Xavient B.Tech 4th Year Computer Science , RKGIT , Ghaziabad http://rockybhai.blogspot.com "When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward"

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Burning CDs on GNU/Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

Found this nice link regarding usage of cdrecord to write CDs in GNU/Linux through the command line. Thought someone might find it useful. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-cdburn.html#heading_e Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] An appeal
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

> As a result FSF India does not have these extra funds at > this moment. We thought of bringing this to the notice of free > software community, and explore the possibility of support. This is an > appeal to contribute to FSF India. Since we do not have enough time > to make alternative arrangements we seek your active support at this > needy hour. Even if the support is small from each of you, if more > people give a small sum, we will be able to make sure this will > happen. The additional required budget is around Rs. 150,000/- (or > around $3000/-). If you also know any one who could sponsor a ticket > or part of the ticket do let us know. > > The conference registration was kept free and we thought we could > manage well with our earlier budgets. Conference registration > continues to be free, but do consider sending donations. You may also > consider becoming taking fellowship (http://www.gnu.org.in/fellowship). Apart from that, if every member of this list donates Rs. 50 each, the problem will be suitably resolved. After all what is Rs. 50 for the future of the license which has been the cornerstone of FOSS for so many years. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Commercial: NGO is looking for Open Software solution
by Mika Jokivuori 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

Hi all, I am representative of NGO and we are looking for open software (LAMP) solution for our needs. 1) First we are creating web base solution to manage our child sponsorship system. More info about child sponsorship, please visit Plan International (http://www.plan-international.org/) or World Vision (http://www.wvi.org/). 2) Secondly we are looking for web base solution to manage our bulleting board, document archives and calendar. If your organisation is ready to help us to get our "dreams" to reality, please send an email to me. We are not a commercial company, but grass-root level organisation that is working for uplifting underprivileged people so we may not be able to pay great amount. Yours, Mr. Mika Jokivuori, Regional Co-ordinator, Fida International Email: mika.jokivuori(a)fida.in

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Coreutils version 6.0 has been released.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

Following is a mail announcing the release of GNU Coreutils 6.00 from the info-gnu list (http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnu). It seems that this version has fixed a segmentation fault related problem while using 'shred' on Gentoo systems. I though some Gentoo lover would find this useful. Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:27:40 +0200 From: Jim Meyering <jim(a)meyering.net> Subject: coreutils-6.0 released To: info-gnu(a)gnu.org, coreutils-announce(a)gnu.org Cc: translation(a)iro.umontreal.ca, bug-coreutils(a)gnu.org Message-ID: <873bbyggsz.fsf(a)rho.meyering.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Coreutils version 6.0 has been released. If you haven't heard about the GNU coreutils, the FAQ is a good place to start: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/faq/ Coreutils development branched after the stable 5.92 release. Since then, there have been five releases from the stable branch: 5.93 through 5.97. I hope to make no more releases from that branch. Coreutils 6.0 is the first release off the trunk since 5.92, and considering the number and scope of the changes, I've labeled it "unstable". However, many of the changes have been for improved robustness and portability, and even the bug fixes usually address unlikely failure scenarios. That said, the changes are numerous enough and invasive enough that there are probably a few new bugs. There is a new, implicit build requirement: To build the coreutils from source, you should have a C99-conforming compiler, due to the use of declarations after non-declaration statements in remove.c. There is code in configure to find and, if possible, enable an appropriate compiler. However, if configure doesn't find a C99 compiler, it continues nonetheless, and your build will fail. If that happens, simply patch remove.c with the following command, and run make again: cd src && patch remove.c c99-to-c89.diff Here are some highlights from the NEWS below: There are six new programs: base64: base64 encoding and decoding (RFC 3548) functionality by Simon Josefsson sha224sum: print or check a SHA224 (224-bit) checksum sha256sum: print or check a SHA256 (256-bit) checksum sha384sum: print or check a SHA384 (384-bit) checksum sha512sum: print or check a SHA512 (512-bit) checksum by David Madore (based on work by Ulrich Drepper and Scott Miller) shuf: shuffle lines of text by Paul Eggert We've finally added some often-requested functionality for ls, with its new option: --group-directories-first, by Francesco Montorsi. rm has a new -I option, added by Eric Blake: rm now accepts the -I (--interactive=once) option. This new option prompts once if rm is invoked recursively or if more than three files are being deleted, which is less intrusive than -i prompting for every file, but provides almost the same level of protection against mistakes. For the complete summary of changes, see the NEWS section below. Special thanks to Paul Eggert for his many contributions. Thanks to everyone else who contributed changes (attributions are in the ChangeLog files), reported problems, and helped by fielding questions on the mailing list. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The GNU coreutils package contains the following programs: [ base64 basename cat chgrp chmod chown chroot cksum comm cp csplit cut date dd df dir dircolors dirname du echo env expand expr factor false fmt fold ginstall groups head hostid hostname id join kill link ln logname ls md5sum mkdir mkfifo mknod mv nice nl nohup od paste pathchk pinky pr printenv printf ptx pwd readlink rm rmdir seq sha1sum sha224sum sha256sum sha384sum sha512sum shred shuf sleep sort split stat stty su sum sync tac tail tee test touch tr true tsort tty uname unexpand uniq unlink uptime users vdir wc who whoami yes Here are the compressed sources: ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/coreutils-6.0.tar.gz (7.9MB) ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/coreutils-6.0.tar.bz2 (5.1MB) Here are the xdelta-style diffs: ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/coreutils-5.92-6.0.xdelta (1.9MB) <snip> shred --remove FILE no longer segfaults on Gentoo systems sort would fail for large inputs (~50MB) on systems with a buggy mkstemp function. sort and tac now use the replacement mkstemp function, and hence are no longer subject to limitations (of 26 or 32, on the maximum number of files from a given template) on HP-UX 10.20, SunOS 4.1.4, Solaris 2.5.1 and OSF1/Tru64 V4.0F&V5.1. tail -f once again works on a file with the append-only attribute (affects at least Linux ext2, ext3, xfs file systems) NB: I removed part of the original post since I was afraid that it was too long to be blocked by the lists. Neither could I give a link since the post has not yet been archived. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

> true - i started using linux in 1996, and the first time i heard > about RMS was around 2002. And so far i havent read a single thing he > has written - although i have read almost everything ESR has written. Not even the GNU GPL? So you know about 'The Cathedral and The Bazaar', while not having read the GNU GPL? I do not have words to describe this. >> it's about the whole society. No matter how many ``Linux'' users are >> there in this world or how many companies support ``Open Source'', the >> whole Free Software revolution will remain a failure as long as we >> don't understand what Freedom is. > i beg to differ - it will remain a failure in India at least until > people stopped sounding off and started writing code Write code for Microsoft or Apple? Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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When and Where is RMS coming
by PenguinPuPPy 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Hello LUG. Well i was just scanning by and learnt that RMS is coming to Mumbai could anybody please let me know when and where is he coming ? secondly when is the next meet scheduled anybody who can help. Thanks -- To Love The Penguin(aka TUX) You Need To Be As Faithful As A Puppy

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Re: RMS in Mumbai
by Roshan 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

> RMS (Richard M. Stallman) will be in Mumbai on 27th. > The purpose of > this email is to know if we could organize a public > lecture on 27th. > Please let me know your ideas: like your > organization or college would > like to host him and the lecture etc. Isn't the GLUG-August meet likely to be scheduled for the 27th of this month too? Perhaps, could the public lecture be merged with the meet? > Can we have a talk in some place like IIT? We can > then publicise the event > in colleges and organizations. HBCSE was _likely_ to be the location for the meet. So could be for the lecture? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [Commercial] Jobs
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

> Forwarded without prejudice. Please contact Ajay directly. > > ----- Forwarded message from Ajay Narasimhan <ajay.narasimhan(a)stpdomain.com> ----- > > From: Ajay Narasimhan <ajay.narasimhan(a)stpdomain.com> > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:11:50 +0530 > To: linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org > Subject: [Commercial] > X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 > > We are a software product company (www.stpdomain.com) looking for > specialized skill-sets in Linux / Java / J2EE / Web Services... Do they want people specialized in Linux to work on Winblows? :P Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

>> actually it is a good, relevant question. Who is RMS? A person well >> known in the 20th century who has outlived his time Enough is enough. Few days back you were bashing up Gaurav P. Chaturvedi, and now it is RMS. Is something wrong with you? > hmm, sounds like great idea. We should also dismiss all the efforts > put in by Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru and others for freedom of India in > 20th century. > If we as human beings don't know where we came from, > what is the difference between us and mindless zombies then? Hehehe... Kenneth a mindless zombie.... ROTFLMAO You know if we follow the principle of 'do unto others as you would do unto you' then Kenneth Gonsalves would have been kicked/banned from this list. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Configuring mtnl broadband ...
by Navin Daund 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

Hi, I am new to Linux and MM-LIUG. I have installed Red Hat 9.0 and have mtnl broadband on UTSTAR UT300R2U Modem. It is connected with Ethernet connectivity and nic card is automatically detected by Linux. Please lemme know the step-by-step procedure to configure internet and email on my system. Thanks and regards, Navin.

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FW: [Commercial] Jobs
by Devdas Bhagat 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

Forwarded without prejudice. Please contact Ajay directly. Regards Devdas Bhagat ----- Forwarded message from Ajay Narasimhan <ajay.narasimhan(a)stpdomain.com> ----- From: Ajay Narasimhan <ajay.narasimhan(a)stpdomain.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:11:50 +0530 To: linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org Subject: [Commercial] X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 We are a software product company (www.stpdomain.com) looking for specialized skill-sets in Linux / Java / J2EE / Web Services... Interested candidates based out of *Mumbai* may please respond with their detailed CV at jobs(a)stpdomain.com Thanks. Ajay Narasimhan Mobile: + 91 - 98198 22830 ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

> ok...I understood tidbits... Thats a lot, you know, since I would not have understood a bit of what I myself wrote. :p > but now my question is, what exactly is > yahoo's official client doing that gaim cannot, yet? ( if you have > explained this earlier please point me to the post ). Yahoo!'s official is doing black magic one can say. (Just joking.) One just needs to key in the proxy IP and port and it simply works. Works, you know! No tweaking nothing. > Can we reproduce what yahoo's doing by using free tools? I do not know any such free tool. At this point you might like to read http://mm.glug-bom.org/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060807/053186.html Just the 3rd, 4th and 5th paragraphs would be enough. > Generally, firewalls dont block ssl connections Is it so? I have limited knowledge, but I remember seeing the Webmin interface, where the admin just clicked and opened all 'SSL_Ports' and 'Safe_Ports'. I asked him to give me the configuration file, but he somehow managed to give me the wrong one. Should I get it again ? > so i think u can setup an SSL tunnel into an outside > ( unfirewalled proxy ) PC and then connect to the yahoo service. Yes I think thats a possible solution. Thanks, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] What is a flame?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

> He was then flamed to death and... Well does anybody know the origin of the word 'flame war'? I found the following in my /usr/share/games/fortune/humorix-stories: Brief History Of Linux (#5) English Flame War The idea behind Slashdot-style discussions is not new; it dates back to London in 1699. A newspaper that regularly printed Letters To The Editor sparked a heated debate over the question, "When would the 18th Century actually begin, 1700 or 1701?" The controversy quickly became a matter of pride; learned aristocrats argued for the correct date, 1701, while others maintained that it was really 1700. Another sizable third of participants asked, "Who cares?" Ordinarily such a trivial matter would have died down, except that one 1700er, fed up with the snobbest 1701 rhetoric of the educated class, tracked down one letter-writer and hurled a flaming log into his manor house in spite. The resulting fire was quickly doused, but the practice known as the "flame war" had been born. More flames were exchanged between other 1700ers and 1701ers for several days, until the Monarch sent out royal troops to end the flamage. Happy flaming, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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The dangers of patents in standards
by jtd 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2006081312303… Nokia files a suit against qualcomm, since Qualcom's FRAND terms are allegedly unreasonable and discriminatory. This is about implementing standards approved by ISO / ETSI not about purchasing tech. If Nokia finds it so difficult wonder how libre software developers will implement patent encumbered standards. -- Rgds JTD

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

>> What do you mean? See it is very easy to sit there and pass comments. >> I just fervently pray that you do not get trapped behind such a >> draconian firewall. > umm...dumb question but did you try an http tunnel? Not so dumb as you think. The situation is like this... Even after allowing all SSL_ports and Safe_ports (this was done using Webmin, so I did not see the /etc/squid.conf, we are unable to use IRC on ports 6667, 8000. Irssi says "temporary failure in name resolution", while GAIM says "proxy connection error 503". However Yahoo! and Jabber are working using GAIM AFTER opening the ports in Squid. Jabber on the usual 5222, while Yahoo! on 8001. At this point I have a feeling that the IRC ports are blocked in the firewall too, because I had heard our sysadmin (when the network was set-up) remark that all IRC activity will be blocked. He made no remark about Jabber or Yahoo!. I do use a HTTP tunneller, corkscrew, to do ssh into public servers. Regarding ssh, one needs BOTH corkscrew and the opened ports in Squid to do anything at all. In a scenario where only the Squid acls are relaxed but tunneling not done, ssh also says "Temporary failure in name resolution". At this point I have a feeling that one needs to tunnel GAIM like ssh. But following the instructions in http://www.http-tunnel.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=1227&, I get "proxy connection error 503" for IRC and "Couldn't connect to host" for Jabber (GTalk). Please note that this was done with the Squid acls relaxed, whereby Jabber and Yahoo were connecting without tunneling, but IRC was not. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FC5 Installation
by bimal pandit 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

Dear Vinayakam, On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 Vinayakam Murugan wrote : >I did install FC5 on a Toshiba A105-S4094 with a 120GB SATA HDD . It worked >fine. I am still trying to configure my display (getting 800x600 only) but >that's another story. > >On 8/5/06, Jagdish Chhailkar <cjagdish69(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>I have compaq Pressario with ATI Radeon Xpress200 display card,160GB SATA >>HDD,256 MB DDR2,AMI Bios V3.07,CD-R/RW/DVD Read. >> >>I have successfully installed Win-XP and now trying to install FC5. While >>installation it is displaying 'installing sata_sil driver' and the >>installation continues. But at the time of partitioning it shows "No Hard >>Drive Found". >> >> >>Instead of which if i go for FC4 or Mandriva Linux 2006 , the installation >>goes cool. >> >>I have received DVD's of FC4 & FC5 with LFY's MAY-06 issue. >> >>What will be the reason & how can I solve this problem to install FC5 ?. >> >>-- >>Jagdish R.Chhailkar as a root on a root terminal use "system-config-display" to get a tool to configure your display while most preferred and better way is to edit "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" see the line which contains ... Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection hope this will help. regards, Bimal Pandit

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

>> What do you mean? This is nerve wracking! I never got a working >> solution. In my experience (which is not huge) I have never seen >> anybody get in trouble because of Meebo. Get me some evidence, or a >> solution. Or just let me try to develop a solution. > great way to take support dude. What do you mean? See it is very easy to sit there and pass comments. I just fervently pray that you do not get trapped behind such a draconian firewall. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

>> That someone was me. If you really want it, then we can have a nice >> debate on this, and I can clearly explain to you why it was at all >> needed. > Umm... there is no need. I remember all the 'security risks' and > 'identity thefts' that were covered the last time :P What do you mean? This is nerve wracking! I never got a working solution. In my experience (which is not huge) I have never seen anybody get in trouble because of Meebo. Get me some evidence, or a solution. Or just let me try to develop a solution. > Some services ( sms.ac, hi5, ringo, some > IQ testing services and spammers ) misuse your id and people should How do you know? I am curious. >> And yes Kenneth, I think you are going way over board. Who are you to >> decide to boot the chap? Sure he has made a mistake. But then I don't >> think that has been repeated by him. Who are you to single handedly >> force the point that people need to be booted without any warning? I >> mean I thought this mailing list's code of conduct was drafted by >> some knowledgeable person in a reasonably democratic way. Ok >> Hyderabad does it, Chennai does, so what? So what man? You are taking >> this issue to such an extent as to start another deluge of OT posts. > Please calm down. Even I was with him on this one. My apologies. You want me to bark at you too? Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Commercial Offer
by Arun 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

We are looking to setting up a team of Linux Network administrators. Persons with knowledge of Asterisk PBX, Microtik router and generally good networking experience will be wonderful. We could work on a consultancy basis or on a fixed employment basis. Please email us on arun1(a)esoftech.com if you are interested. Thanks.

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re: interested in linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

> Actually installing and using GNU/linux is quite simple, but people > being made of 26 chromosomes and gadzillion genes behave > unpredictably hence the requirements. Amazing. I am adding this to /usr/share/games/fortune/linux. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

> Rishi...stop it. You're making a fool of yourself. I request you again, > just calm down. AFAIK you were the ones getting worked up and asking for the fellow's head and saying moderation is evil and not enough. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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FC5 Installation
by Jagdish Chhailkar 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

I have compaq Pressario with ATI Radeon Xpress200 display card,160GB SATA HDD,256 MB DDR2,AMI Bios V3.07,CD-R/RW/DVD Read. I have successfully installed Win-XP and now trying to install FC5. While installation it is displaying 'installing sata_sil driver' and the installation continues. But at the time of partitioning it shows "No Hard Drive Found". Instead of which if i go for FC4 or Mandriva Linux 2006 , the installation goes cool. I have received DVD's of FC4 & FC5 with LFY's MAY-06 issue. What will be the reason & how can I solve this problem to install FC5 ?. -- Jagdish R.Chhailkar

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Request help for setting up Hp AIO 1315 on Turbolinux
by Jiten Prajapati 11 Aug '06

11 Aug '06

Dear All, Hi, I am a new member of this group and require your help. I have a Compaq Prasario S6060IL (Celeron 2.5 Ghz, 128Mb, 40GB HDD) which came bundled with Turbolinux 10D. I am trying to set up my HP all-in-one printer AIO-1315. I downloaded the hplip-1.6.6a.tar.gz from sourceforge for installing. I ran ./configure, which did not show any error messages. Then I ran "make", but it gives an error msg. as given below: make Making all in . make[1]: Entering directory `/home/jitenap/hplip/hplip-1.6.6a' if g++ -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"HP\ Linux\ Imaging\ and\ Printing\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\" hplip\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"1.6.6a\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"HP\ Linux\ Imaging\ and\ Printing\ 1.6.6a\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"1.6.6a.4\" -DPACKAGE=\"hplip\" -DVERSI ON=\"1.6.6a\" -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_S TDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES _H=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1 -DHAVE_LIBPTHREAD=1 -D HAVE_LIBCRYPTO=1 -DHAVE_LIBUSB=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_CUPS_CUPS_H=1 -DHAVE_NE T_SNMP_NET_SNMP_CONFIG_H=1 -DHAVE_PPORT=1 -DHAVE_LIBSNMP=1 -I. -I. -Iprnt/hpijs -Iip -g -O2 -MT device.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/device.Tpo" -c -o device.o `test -f 'io/hpiod/device.cpp' || echo './'`io/hpiod/device.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/device.Tpo" ".deps/device.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/device.Tpo"; exit 1; fi io/hpiod/device.cpp: In member function `int Device::IsUri(usb_device*, char*)': io/hpiod/device.cpp:665: error: `usb_get_string_simple' undeclared (first use th is function) io/hpiod/device.cpp:665: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only onc e for each function it appears in.) make[1]: *** [device.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jitenap/hplip/hplip-1.6.6a' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 I tried a google search but was not successful. Any help will be highly appreciated as I am not a programmer. Thanks and regards, Jiten

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Libyahoo2
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 11 Aug '06

11 Aug '06

Note: the change in subject. ;-) > Yahoo!'s firewall with no proxy option connects to Yahoo! by wrapping > the YMSG protocol inside HTTP. Gaim currently doesn't support doing > this. Does libyahoo2 support it? Why the split between the two? IMHO it would be much better to have a single free implementation of the protocol. So many different implementations with some feature here and some there is heavily self-defeating for the community. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Roshan 11 Aug '06

11 Aug '06

The subject line indicates something, that might have been discussed in the past, over several forums/mailing lists/boards etc. But, I intend to initiate this thread after reading an article in Business Today,which concludes Open Office, is ready for acceptance among many and Mozilla Firefox, seems to replace Internet Explorer for a few Windows users. It also speaks about GNU/Linux and below is the excerpt It states "Why has Linux never taken off? Simple; it's terribly easy to set up if you have a BSc or BTech degree ...." Also "there is no _one_ Linux anymore" (You have Windows XP) "...15 major releases (distros) and many of them don't work with each other.." So does this mean it GNU/Linux is only for Geeks? What exactly stops a Windows User to migrate to any GNU/Linux? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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[Commercial] Red Hat is looking for a Program Manager
by Venkatesh Hariharan 11 Aug '06

11 Aug '06

Red Hat's Open Source Affairs team needs a high-caliber Program Manager experienced in working with government, academia and industry. Over the last five years, Red Hat has established itself as a key player in the Indian IT infrastructure space. The role of the Program Manager will be to work with the Head – Open Source Affairs and the Red Hat team to drive specific, targeted programs that grow the open source ecosystem in government, academia and industry. The role offers tremendous growth potential for self-motivated, driven individuals with the ability to take end-to-end responsibility for conceptualizing and implementing Red Hat's outreach programs. We are seeking a proactive and organized team player with relevant experience to join our growing team. Requirements: * Three to five years of experience in managing large outreach programs targeting government, academia and industry. * Demonstrated experience in working with broad cross-functional teams. * Excellent project management skills and attention to details. * Excellent written and oral communication skills. * Keen interest in the latest technology trends. A passion for open source would be a plus. * Minimum of a BA/BS Computer Science or related technical degree required. MBA or MCA is a plus. * Demonstrated ability to complete multiple tasks concurrently and deliver results under pressure in a fast-paced environment. * A career-minded individual with the desire to grow with the organization. Those interested are requested to send their resume to venkyh(a)gmail.com with the subject: OSA Program Manager. Regards, Venky

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gaurav.p.chaturvedi@gmail.com wants to 3D IM w/ you on IMVU
by Guest_gaurav2004 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Hi, I just signed up at IMVU.com. I'd like you to come join me! Basic membership is free, and it takes about a minute to create your own avatar. --Guest_gaurav2004 Your buddy Guest_gaurav2004 has invited you to chat in 3D! IMVU is the worlds greatest 3D instant messenger! Get IMVU now! You are receiving this email because someone who knows you sent you an invitation to join them on imvu.com.  If you want to prevent any future e-mail from IMVU, you can remove yourself from by pointing your web browser to http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_nonregisteredoptout.php.  Your opt-out confirmation code is 9ce15c.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] gaurav.p.chaturvedi@gmail.com wants to 3D IM w/ you on IMVU
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> why are you taking this personaly? I am not. > What i am emphasising is that the concept of moderation is > inherently evil as it sets up one person in judgement over others. > Which is alien to the philosophy of freedom we support here. We are > not china, with 30,0000 big brothers looking after our behaviour and > habits. Ah. Moderation is evil, because it sets up one person in judgement over the others? So are you indicating that kicking/banning requires NO judgement. I find this funny. > anyone stupid enough, careless enough to get his mail account > infected by such viruses is a menace to the community and deserves to > be booted. You dont blame the birds that get flu - you just cull them So next time you get infected by a fever, malaria, or any infectious disease be prepared to get KILLED, and NOT CURED. > law and democracy have nothing to do with mailing lists. Admin is the > boss - if he boots you are booted. Wonderful. I am impressed. But going by your previous argument "moderation is inherently evil as it sets up one person in judgement over others", don't you think this is self-contradictory? > please distinguish between mere breaches of etiquette - not trimming > posts, top posting, getting OT, being longwinded, using smsspeak - > with behaviour that damages the list. The first requires peer > pressure to rectify, but the second can only be cured with the boot. > And i think anything personal you may have against me could be taken > offlist. Nonsense. You mean to say that ONE spam is going to destroy the list, while HUNDREDs of OTs and other nuisances are mere breaches of etiquette. What if I say that the spam was another OT post missing the appropriate tag? I mean I am simply unable to distinguish. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

>> unusual. But I think you have not got the whole picture. I did not >> make Meebo, they dont pay me. All I want is a solution. A workable >> solution. You have said these same things last time this whole >> discussion cropped up. But where is the alternative? I stop using >> Meebo. Fine. So how do I IM. > I've already built a partial solution for you to use. It's up to you to > take it forward. I've been looking for new developers for over two > years, and no one has stepped forward. > If you're interested, try http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ I am very much interested. I am already on the libyahoo mailing list, but I joined 1.5 years back when I was still a n00b. I recently heard from Dr. Nagarjuna that you had authored libyahoo, and had heard about Freehoo and Freetalk independently while browsing the Web many that same 1.5 years back. Could you just give me a pointer as what the issue exactly is? I mean what is the difference between the Windoze and the Free client? I heard that the Windows client keeps scanning the ports and picks one which is available. Is this the 'magic'? Looking forward to the libyahoo project page... Happy hacking, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> I work behind a very restrictive firewall too, and we (people in my org) > realized that the communication in all the clients is happening over http. > The clients "tunnel" their protocols over http and hence it works. > If you use gaim, you may want to go to advanced settings and try giving port > numbers as 20, 23 and 80 to see if yahoo, gtalk and MSN start working. Thanks for the interest. But I had tried this in the past and I tried it just now. Does not work. GMail (on GAIM) simpy said 'port x tunneling not allowed', while Yahoo (on GAIM) gave a 'write error' for port 80. Other messages were the same for GTalk. GAIM would start working out of the box, if the ports are opened. I know this since the ports were opened temporarily and they just worked. Let me tell this list, that in the period when GAIM was working people (including most Windoze users) became a huge fan of GAIM. GAIM was preferred over and above the GTalk and Yahoo! Messenger clients. > I have not tried it, hence can't comment. But this has been tried in our > organization. With what results? Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Want the linux setup....
by Amey Salvi 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

hi all i want to shift to linux ...... from where can i download the setup plz guide me and give me the links thanks to all

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Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> Remember the hulla ballo that was created when someone > suggested using meebo? :O That someone was me. If you really want it, then we can have a nice debate on this, and I can clearly explain to you why it was at all needed. Why blame meebo? Because its the new kid on the block, and not as big as Yahoo! MSN, or Google? How do you know that the big names are not giving out your ID to some unwanted place? And yes Kenneth, I think you are going way over board. Who are you to decide to boot the chap? Sure he has made a mistake. But then I don't think that has been repeated by him. Who are you to single handedly force the point that people need to be booted without any warning? I mean I thought this mailing list's code of conduct was drafted by some knowledgeable person in a reasonably democratic way. Ok Hyderabad does it, Chennai does, so what? So what man? You are taking this issue to such an extent as to start another deluge of OT posts. Tell me onething everybody. What happens if your mail account gets infected by viruses of the sort that keep sending mails to all the addresses in our address book. Its theoretically all right to talk about how one should not give around his ID, blah, blah.... But in such a case you are realy the victim and not the transgressor. This one spam is NOTHING compared to the deluge of OT threads, which got the whole list a very bad name. (Read ilug-cal archives.) Dont make this fellow a scapegoat. Regards, Debarshi -- Dinesh A. Joshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Free Linux from the makers of Lindows (Linspire)
by kunal gangar 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Hello, This is a new open source linux called the Freespire. Short Introduction: Freespire is a community-driven, Linux-based operating system that combines the best that free, open source software has to offer (community driven, freely distributed, open source code, etc.), but also provides users the choice of including proprietary codecs, drivers and applications<http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Summary_of_Proprietary_Components>as they see fit. With Freespire, the choice is yours as to what software is installed on your computer, with no limitations or restrictions placed on that choice. How you choose to maximize the performance of your computer is entirely up to you. Well, please reply back if you try this. And is it better than SLED? www.freespire.org -- Kunal Gangar. Editor, Tech Ticker http://www.techtickerblog.com

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NRC-FOSS is looking for project scientists
by Kenneth Gonsalves 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

hi, no apologies for not tagging this as [commercial][OT] because it is not. NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC, MIT campus, Anna University Chennai is a project funded by the DIT for the pupose of development of FOSS in India. In addition to propagation of FOSS, we are now trying to build a world standard academic and research programme centred round FOSS. Backed by proven expertise of the AU-KBC centre in the fields of mathematics, cryptography, pattern recognition, life-sciences, wireless and bio-informatics, we are building certificate, diploma and postgraduate programmes centred around FOSS on one side and building and releasing FOSS applications in these fields on the other side. We invite interested people to join us. Details of the posts are at: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/full/12/AN/ No, we dont offer multinational salaries. Yes, we believe in academic freedom, a relaxed atmosphere, 24/7 working labs and offices, no dress code, intellectual stimulation. (And, yes, again, this *is* happening in a Govt of India Project). Our goal is to produce FOSS code and train people to do this - and enjoy doing this. Our motto is 'Foss is Fun'. Join the fun. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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OpenSSL License revoked
by Mohan Krishnan 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

An interesting development. OpenSSL lincense has been revoked (later rescinded to "suspended" status ). Pl. read http://www.itworldcanada.com/a/Daily-News/b6cfd84f-8646-4318-b231-1e80ca29e… - Mohan Krishnan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> You know what? those internet access restrictions are there so that > you spend your time in your work/studies. Not really. They just encourage more and more people to fall in love with Winblows, and leave me to waste my study-time in finding a solution. :-| /me runs after Anurag. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] repairs. toshiba tecra. lamington road?
by Abhishek Daga 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

My tecra laptop screen cannot stay up if the angle if it is tilted more than 90 degrees. is there any recommended place on lamington road or vicinity that will "tighten the screws" on that? thanks. abhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Roshan 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> > is there any lug meet happening anytime soon ? > > > Would 27th of August be fine with all? Though the thread has gone a bit off topic (geeks to meet ;) no problem) , 27th August would be fine (hopefully) for me. But it seems to be very late. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Sorry that my previous post had an unnecessary forwarded suffix. > Please note that this is about giving your Yahoo/MSN info to third > party. There's nothing wrong in giving Yahoo/MSN's login/passwd to > Yahoo/MSN itself, no matter if its a new kid around the block or an > old heavy weight. What Yahoo/MSN will do with your info is clearly > mentioned in their TOS. I am tired of listening to things that I already knew much much before. Arey where is the solution? How do I chat? Dont we use third party IM clients? God knows what they are doing with our passwords. It might take some time before a back door is discovered, and thats equally bad. What about the alternate email IDs these people ask for. Yahoo! might not abuse its own ID but might do so with a GMail ID. I am not accusing, but I am just curious. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> Ok, I'll tell you what. You give me all your passwords, and I'll agree > that there's nothing wrong with using meebo. If you're not willing to > give me your passwords, then don't tell others to give out theirs. I did not understand. > Note, (and I hope you read this very very carefully), this is NOT about > giving out your email address. I already have that. This is about > passwords. What if there is a back door in the latest version of GAIM, Kopete, Freetalk, etc.. Sure one will notice it and plug the hole, but before thats done many people would have gone down the hole. > One last question for you. How many people have you seen who have lost > their Yahoo! account? I've seen thousands. Ah. Interesting. You work in Yahoo! don't you? So thats nothing unusual. But I think you have not got the whole picture. I did not make Meebo, they dont pay me. All I want is a solution. A workable solution. You have said these same things last time this whole discussion cropped up. But where is the alternative? I stop using Meebo. Fine. So how do I IM. Let me tell you that this IMing issue is one of the main reasons why people don't shift to a Free OS completly. And if they DO Meebo is their only saviour. Atleast the only one I know of. Cheers, Debarshi -- For animals, the entire universe has been neatly divided into things to (a) mate with, (b) eat, (c) run away from, and (d) rocks. (Equal Rites) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:41:31 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo Sometime on Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 02:44:51AM +0530, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray said: > >Remember the hulla ballo that was created when someone > >suggested using meebo? :O > > That someone was me. If you really want it, then we can have a nice > debate on this, and I can clearly explain to you why it was at all > needed. > > Why blame meebo? Because its the new kid on the block, and not as big > as Yahoo! MSN, or Google? How do you know that the big names are not > giving out your ID to some unwanted place? Please note that this is about giving your Yahoo/MSN info to third party. There's nothing wrong in giving Yahoo/MSN's login/passwd to Yahoo/MSN itself, no matter if its a new kid around the block or an old heavy weight. What Yahoo/MSN will do with your info is clearly mentioned in their TOS. > Tell me onething everybody. What happens if your mail account gets > infected by viruses of the sort that keep sending mails to all the > addresses in our address book. Its theoretically all right to talk That is the precise reason why this list does not allow emails larger than 7KB and strips out all the attachments. Most of these kinds of nematodes spread via attachments. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix. -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] gaurav.p.chaturvedi@gmail.com wants to 3D IM w/ you on IMVU
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

>> then the veterans of the group can take turns every week or fortnight >> to moderate. > that opens a fresh can of worms - who decides who is fit to moderate? > Boot is much simpler. Ah. Wonderful my dear friend Kenneth. I though you were a lawyer. So does the law permit you to execute a person if you can not give him a fair trial? For whatever reasons that be. I know this is getting a bit personal, but I strongly disagree with such browbeating attitude. The problem caused by this single piece of unwanted mail is NOTHING compared to the huge amount of OT discussions we have. Such threads are often extended by so called 'experienced' members of the list. So why not kick them out first? Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] AntiDialer (Sify Broadband Dialer) v0.2 released
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Hi guys, AntiDialer v0.2 has been released. Those interested may know more about it at: http://siddhesh.phpnet.us/antidialer.php Regards, Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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