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Debian Etch DVD's request
by Roshan 31 Mar '07

31 Mar '07

Hello List, If someone can help nukeu666 with Debian Etch DVD's, please do so. http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/CDs_Wanted -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in S K Somaiya College of ASC - http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Debian Etch DVD's request
by Roshan 31 Mar '07

31 Mar '07

Hello List, If someone can help nukeu666 with Debian Etch DVD's, please do so. http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/CDs_Wanted -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in S K Somaiya College of ASC - http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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OFFTOPIC: Konkani Wikipedia (under incubation) needs your help!
by Frederick Noronha 31 Mar '07

31 Mar '07

What you can do to help the Konkani Wikipedia: * Translate articles of relevance to Goa, and to generally building the body of knowledge in Konkani. There are tonnes of copyright-free articles which you can translate into Konkani at http://en.wikipedia.org This is specially suited for people with linguistic and translation skills (whatever script). * Play around with the Wikipedia and see how it works. It's not complex. The starting point is to create a login for yourself. Then, everything follows. This is specially suited for tech people. But don't believe it's a complicated tech job! * Build awareness about the attempt to build the Konkani Wikipedia, and tell others about it. It will only work if there is enough "critical mass" and interest around it. * Above all, promote the language of your choice (any script!) using this tool of the 21st century. It's a powerful tool, so let's make use of it. Starting points: * http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/kok (Konkani Wikipedia/incubator) * http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/kok/contributors List yourself as a contributor * http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wp/kok (See Deepak's tutorial on Devanagari) The best thing here is: you can promote any script you want via the Konkani Wikipedia. Romi, Devanagari, Kannada (and I guess even Malayalam or Perso-Arabic). So instead of clashing swords, let's sharpen our pens, and increase the amount of sharable Konkani information in cyberspace. The Wikipedia (for a number of reasons) is a great place to do it. And all this knowledge becomes sharable. A special thanks to Deepak D'Souza for his persistence, Sangeeta Naik (SangeetaDiwar) for persistently working on it, Isidore Dantas for his meticulous Konkani translations from Mumbai, and Equinox for signing up as one of the early contributors. FN -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Konkani Wikipedia (under incubation) needs your help! http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/kok

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows Vista restricts GNU GCC apps to 32 MB
by Vickram Crishna 31 Mar '07

31 Mar '07

--- Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On 31-Mar-07, at 1:28 PM, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > > >> pro or anti is irrelevant - since doze is not > open source, we cant > >> do anything about defects. So why waste our time > complaining about > >> it? If you have paid for vista and cant compile > something this > >> list is not the place to complain ... > > > > It is clearly a matter of concern if free software > like firefox, > > openoffice, GIMP, inkscape, blender etc are > compiled for Vista, and > > if they don't take full advantage of the system > due to restriction > > of the OS. User's will assume that free software > works less > > efficiently, without understanding that the cause > is due to their > > digital restrictions management. Let us remember > that most of free > > software today is inter operable, except of course > the kernel Linux. > > agreed - so what can this list do about it? > Especialy as probably > vista was designed with this idea in mind. As i said > originally - > dont worry, just migrate to linux. I trust your remark is rhetorical. There is PLENTY a list like this can do, being vibrant and full of aware people as well as people who lurk to learn. You can work with the cybercafe initiative (which is a brilliant and practical idea, and having watched it emerge from the discussions over the past couple of weeks, I really applaud the consensual method) to create a working distro that addresses the needs of tomorrow's computer users, unlike the bloatware that is increasingly irrelevant and inherently expensive to use, and that never succeeds in emerging productively from the morass of contraditictions that is the DRM world. You can work with each other (all of us) to create better installers, that deliver not just simpler install routines but also address the mix of h/w and peripherals in the real world. You can help put together a visual platform (qua Aqua) that will deliver designs that match anything that comes from the Mac world (the only competition, as far as this aspect is concerned, IMHO Vista is so far behind, you wonder - well, I wonder - whether they even know what visual delight means). And then there's work pending on a FOSS mobile interface to deliver the announced features of the iPhone for an Indian audience (localised, the works) - that will run on any Linux-enabled mobile box. In the legal playing field, the FOSS movement in India doesn't have the kind of groundswell 'critical mass' to pursue court battles against restrictive practices such as the unsigned pamphlet the Bombay Police put out for cybercafes. We need to identify the root causes of this apathy (ie, it is awareness? is it funding?) and address them in a structured manner. As we all know, there are many more restrictive practices in place that make it difficult for ordinary users to switch comfortably. We need to find a way of placing people in key organisations in the civil society movement (many of these organisations pay quite well, actually, and prefer persons who have an all-round approach to work, rather than tightly focused on, say, being a sysad 24/7). Such people will play a key role in bring such organisations directly into the FOSS movement. We also need to make visible persons who work in medium and large commercial organsations to come and talk - at LUG meets, for instance - on the use of FOSS in their operations. Just some food for thought. If some or all of these things begin to happen, you can be sure that the developers in the 'doze world will think twice about letting restrictive software out into the real world. I just saw Nagarjuna's post about being at HBSCE all of today, and must say, talk about communication gap, I didn't notice ANY post from anyone saying the venue would be available all day. I could easily have been there earlier, but am now committed to only getting there in the evening. Vickram ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: LUG Meet btwn 4/2 and 4/9
by Easwar Hariharan 30 Mar '07

30 Mar '07

> > As the subject line says, Prof. CN Krishnan of NRCFOSS, Chennai is also to > be > in Mumbai on the 5th of April. Can we have a meet in the evening on 5th? > But > it'll need to be after around 6 pm. > If it's on 4/8 after 5:30 pm,I might be able to attend my first LUG meet.Pleaaase! :)And BTW,what is the location? Regards, Easwar

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French Parliament will switch from Microsoft to Ubuntu
by Vihan Pandey 30 Mar '07

30 Mar '07

Good Stuff! http://news.softpedia.com/news/French-Parliament-Will-Switch-from-Microsoft… Regards, - vihan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] bash proxy settings
by Koustubha Kale 30 Mar '07

30 Mar '07

>On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:20:02 +0530, "____________ (Anand M R)" ><libld.so(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I tried the above but now when i try to ping www.google.com > ping: unknown host www.google.com is what i get. > >The problem lies in the DNS. > >When you set the proxy, http requests go through the proxy.. including >the url.. so if the proxy server machine has a DNS resolver IP >configured, the proxy will be able to resolve the IP and thus will be >able to get the data. > >But when you ping from your machine, it does not know how to reach the >pinged machine as you niether have it in /etc/hosts nor have you >configured a DNS resolver IP on your machine. > >So you have to configure a DNS resolver IP on your machine if you want >to be able to ping. > >-- >Laxminarayan G Kamath A >laxminarayan(a)deeproot.co.in Not only that, a machine behind a proxy probabely wont have access to an external DNS server. Unless there is a firewall which is allowing outgoing DNS queries on port 53. Best way is to configure a caching DNS server on the proxy itself. And use that as the DNS server LAN wide. It would also speed up things a bit. With warm regards Koustubha Kale ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html

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bash proxy settings
by आनंद (Anand M R) 30 Mar '07

30 Mar '07

Could someone tell me how to configure proxy setting in bash. I found some links that mention the http_proxy variable to be set, but over there the proxy is of the format http://proxy.abc.com:80 now the proxy i'm using dosn't have the http:// in the begining :( Anand

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Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
by Frederick Noronha 29 Mar '07

29 Mar '07

Have just learnt that under the recently announced licensing scheme for the cyber cafes in Mumbai, the Mumbai police under its list of requirement vide point no 14 insists on a copy of Microsoft Open License. This license fee is apparently prohibitive and apparently still unclear on the licensing term for public use, and, restrains cyber cafe operators from choosing any other alternative operating systems. I would like to hear from others who have more details. Specially someone in Mumbai. --FN -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com What bloggers are saying about Goa: http://planet.goa-india.org/

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Dell promises Linux on notebooks and desktops
by Praveen A 29 Mar '07

29 Mar '07

Hi, Another complaint about GNU/Linux going to die -- It is hard to install, well you don't have to install if you go for Dell !! http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=582207207&eid=-50 Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ്‍ അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില്‍ Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] help needed for making hdfcsec.com work onfirefox/opera
by bombay news 29 Mar '07

29 Mar '07

>From: "Chetan S" <cshring(a)gmail.com> >Reply-To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> >To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] help needed for making hdfcsec.com work >onfirefox/opera >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:30:35 +0530 >On 3/23/07, Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> wrote: >>Chetan S wrote: >> > On 3/23/07, bombay news <bombaynews(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone on this list traded on hdfcsec.com using firefox? If so >> >> what kind >> >> of tweaking is required to make firefox operational for this site. >> > >> > Please try faking the useragent to IE Windows, with this firefox >> > plugin - "User Agent Switcher" and check. >> >>Please don't do that, and don't tell people to do that. Every time a >>firefox user fakes his user agent, it gets logged as an IE user. The >>result is that their logs show an IE request. No reason for them to >>support ffx then. > >Umm. Other than suggest to not use hdfcsec, I would rather go with >using user agent switch AND log a bug/problem with hdfc IT support. > >On the brighter side the browser checks are often embedded in login >routines only :D > >I often write to site admins pointing out bugs in the rendering under >FF in Linux. That helps too. > >regards, >C > > writing to hdfcsec.com doesn't work. they revert back saying: please use windows with IE installed!!! enabling user switcher agent smartens up the login page, but the frame that enables one to trade doesn't load. I get the following message when I check the frame source: html> <head> <script language="javascript"> history.forward(); function checkKeys() { if (event.ctrlKey && event.keyCode==78) { event.keyCode=0; return false; } if(event.keyCode == 116) { alert("This function has been disabled"); event.keyCode = 0; event.returnValue = false; } } </script> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" leftmargin=0 topmargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 onKeyDown="checkKeys();"> </body> </html> ---rgds Shiv Kumar _________________________________________________________________ Palate teasers: Straight from Master Chef Sanjeev Kapoor http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Moreonlifestyle/LifestylePT_101106_1530.…

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Info :- Open Source Router.
by bimal pandit 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Dear All, recently, I found a great Linux Based Router and hence thought to share it with all of you... just look "Vyatta: Open-Source Networking" at http://www.vyatta.com/ regards, Bimal Pandit

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[Commercial] Fwd: Job opening :: Programmer Analyst
by Mrugesh Karnik 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Job opening :: Programmer Analyst Date: Monday 26 Mar 2007 From: "Arun K. Khan" <knura(a)yahoo.com> To: Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik(a)gmail.com> Mrugesh, We have an opening for a Programmer Analyst. Reqs. are as follows: * 3-4 years of experience in developing web applications using best practice in software development methodologies. Must have had a significant role in 2-3 projects (enterprise applications). * Experience with Rapid Application Development (RAD) framework a plus. * Langs: PHP, Python, Java (helpful) * Database: MySQL, PostgreSQL - install, configure, and design/create schema for application under development. Knowledge of the SQL language for resp. DB engine. Familiarity with data replication a plus. * Application Server (a plus): Tomcat, JBoss, Websphere (community version) * Proficient with basic Sys. Admin tasks - installing Linux distros, installing and configuring the required services, tools and other packages necessary for developing and testing the application. * Proficient in English - must not be averse to documenting architecture, design, and test suites. Good presentation skills a plus. * Hardware: Knowledge of the PC components and basic hardware diagnosis a plus. * On the personal/soft skills side: A strong TEAM player, be able to lead junior programmers, resourceful, self reliant, responsible, dependable, takes pride in his/her work, an independent thinker with a penchant to analyze and solve problems rather than doing things blindly. * Salary: commensurate with experience and skill set. * Relocation: None. If you know of anyone who might be interested in above, please have them send their CV to me @ arun.khan(a)silverarc.biz. There is some flexibility in the reqs. if the candidate comes across as having the potential to take on the job. Thanks, -- Arun K. Khan <knura(a)yahoo.com> ------------------------------------------------------- -- ---------------------------------------- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net ----------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

>> I am curious to know what are the M$ things users demand. I have not >> been to a cyber cafe for a long time, and hence have lost touch with >> the current state of things. > didnt you read mrugesh's post in this same thread? Sure I did. That is why I asked, because according to him the information was a few years old. In any case, I think the learning curve of GIMP and Blender will never be as steep as keeping a Windows machine virus free. Why? This is because the latter is close to impossible. Moreover customers do not appreciate going to a cyber cafe just to plug in their floppy or pendrive and have a virus remove all their precious data. Secondly a cyber cafe is a place people primarily for browsing the Web using a Web browser. I am not sure how many cyber cafe's have the necessary bandwidth to allow _all_ their users to _simultaneously_ engage in voice chat or video chat. Therefore a viable alternative is to earmark a few machines which are only going to be used only for browsing (and some text based IM) to be converted into GNU/Linux or *BSD or any other free operating system. Moreover it would be nice to have the cyber cafe association issue a press release expressing their preference towards free software wherever feasible. It would be an excellant oppurtunity to let the comman man taste free software. Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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help needed for making hdfcsec.com work on firefox/opera
by bombay news 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

Has anyone on this list traded on hdfcsec.com using firefox? If so what kind of tweaking is required to make firefox operational for this site. there is an IEs4linux 'alternative' available, but I am worried abt security. Shiv Kumar _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? Its cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

> Here is one small example: > In Feb 2007, M$ with the help of local police started raiding on different > places in West Bengal for pirated windows. > As they came to Durgapur (Dist Burdwan), the local cybercafe owners were too > tensed , some of them closed their shops until those people went back. But > some others chose GNU/Linux right away. Our LUG members installed GNU/Linux > in few of the cafes , where in some they installed themselves. And they are > happy with it, they don't want to go back to windows any more. Great job! Keep it up. > That means it can be done in a larger scale. For that you need people who have the ability to dream, instead of laughing at them. :-) Happy hacking, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

> http://www.in.redhat.com/AppComparisonList.php3 This one says there is a Corel Draw for GNU/Linux too. 'Pirated' copies of it might be unavailable, but then using unauthorised copies is just another problem waiting to catch up with the cyber cafes. Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 47, Issue 53
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

> for a person who hasnt visited a cybercafe You are misquoting. I said I have not visited one for a long time. >> Moreover customers do not >> appreciate going to a cyber cafe just to plug in their floppy or >> pendrive and have a virus remove all their precious data. > doesnt happen What does not happen? >> Secondly a cyber cafe is a place people primarily for browsing the Web >> using a Web browser. > how do you know this? That was how things were last time I paid a visit. >> I am not sure how many cyber cafe's have the >> necessary bandwidth to allow _all_ their users to _simultaneously_ >> engage in voice chat or video chat. > if you are not sure, why post on it? <OT> /me remembers those days when someone with no idea of the GPL and the BSD license would argue how one is good and the other is bad </OT> > even if they have *one* doze machine they have to pay the full > licensing fee So what is the problem? Let them pay it then, if it is indeed 'impossible' to try any other alternative, and fight the directive in court or wherever applicable. >> I do not have a cyber cafe anywhere with 4km of where I have been >> living for the past 4 years. > if you want to post on this thread, travel and study first So are you the maintainer of this thread or the new ListAdmin of this mailing list? > how much does your institute charge per hour for the use? Less than 20 paise per hour. > Are you serious in comparing engineering college students with the average > cybercafe user Yes, why not? If you think the average Turbo C++/Windows loving Indian engineering student is any different than the average cyber cafe user, then you are badly misguided. > > Want some proof? Here it is: > > http://glug-nith.org/~spectre/?article=20070129-0108-NITH-Takeover > i dont see any proof You are either blind or a liar. Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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Localization Usability Workshop for Gujarati
by Rahulkrishna Gupta 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

Hi, Novell is working on a localization project for the GNOME desktop environment. We have done localization in 5 Indian Languages Bengali Hindi Gujarati Marathi Tamil We are planning Localization Usability workshop for Gujarati whereby we are inviting people to test the Gujarati localization and provide their feedback. We will compile this feedback and use it for improving the Gujarati localization status. The schedule and venue are mentioned below: Language: Gujarati Venue: Mumbai (Novell Office) Date: March 31, 2007 We are looking for 10 volunteers for this Usability Workshop. Volunteers should either be regulars user of desktop with a Gujarati interface or should be able to read, write and speak Gujarati well. In case you are interested in contributing towards this effort, please contact me either on the list. Let me know if you want to communicate off-list. Thanks. Regards, RahulKrishna Gupta Novell India Pvt. Ltd. (O) +91-22-28342244

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

>> In any case, I think the learning curve of GIMP and Blender will never >> be as steep as keeping a Windows machine virus free. Why? This is >> because the latter is close to impossible. Moreover customers do not >> appreciate going to a cyber cafe just to plug in their floppy or > pendrive and have a virus remove all their precious data. > Oh give me a break and be practical for once. Bad joke. > I've not had a single virus or > spyware on my Windows box for over 3 years. We've had Rony on the list who > had to reinstalled Windows after a considerable amount of time. If you use it > properly, its pretty manageable. Yeah every customer in the cafe might not, Out of the whole crowd of Windows users, how many qualify into the category you are talking about? > but then in the cafe I converted, the owner would run anti-spyware and > anti-virus scans thoroughly every night before he left. He hadn't had a > problem even once. > Dream on. I've seen that happening. A couple of the people having webcam > sessions and a few others playing Counter Strike online simultaneously on a > 512K line. Then again, the cafe soon switched to a very affordable 1M > connection. How many is 'a couple and few others'? > You'll lose even more users rather than gaining them if you try this. Trying > to pull out people from their comfort zone is a bad idea if tried > aggressively. Have patience and go gradually. Asking people to use Firefox is pulling them out of their comfort zone? And who asked you to try aggressively? And who did not have patience? You would do well to read a mail properly before replying. > And seriously, NO ONE is interested in freedom. They aren't > interested in learning about it either. Is it? Then why don't they pay the tax or fee and get on with it? Freedom is not about understanding patent and copyright laws, it is about knowing that you can legally copy and distribute the software. > Seriously, get out of your self spunfreedom cocoon and be practical. *sigh* >> Moreover it would be nice to have the cyber cafe association issue a >> press release expressing their preference towards free software >> wherever feasible. It would be an excellant oppurtunity to let the >> comman man taste free software. > LMAO! You might end up laughing with a naked arse. > P.S. And btw, next time you reply to this thread, try to make sure that you've > actually done something about this issue. I do not have a cyber cafe anywhere with 4km of where I have been living for the past 4 years. The only place that is mainly used for Internet and Web browsing is my institute's computer centre, where every machine runs Ubuntu. The centre has always been haunted by first year guys who do not have a computer of their own, and there has been no decrease in this trend. Not a single soul had to be trained to use Firefox on Ubuntu. Want some proof? Here it is: http://glug-nith.org/~spectre/?article=20070129-0108-NITH-Takeover God save you, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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modem reboot script for GLB-502T
by Rohit V Bhute 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Got my Triband working today :-)) . Did a little googling for rebooting the modem. From 1. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expect> and 2. <http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-programming-scripting/63702-can-you-…> I think this little script for rebooting a GLB-502T can be scheduled with cron. Its bound to work for other modems too; with some modifications. <script> #!/usr/bin/expect spawn telnet 192.168.1.1 expect "BusyBox on localhost login: " send "root\r" expect "Password: " send "password\r" expect "# " send "reboot\r" expect "%" send "exit\r" expect eof </script> Is surely better than timers and such. Regards. -- Rohit V. Bhute http://blog.rvbhute.org

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OO.o Summer of Code 2007
by Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [Apologies for the wide circulation through the cross post] This page is here to collect the suitable suggestions. So - if you have a task that is challenging enough, and are willing to mentor the task, feel free to add it below. coordinate with the project lead and make sure you apply as a mentor. Each entry should contain the task description, required skills, project mailing list for discussion and personal contact. Links to the To-Dos are appreciated provided that the task is well described there ;-) http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2007 - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGBDUHXQZpNTcrCzMRAusdAJwIQuFXp4RX2g9DobotF+++lyJHTQCgpFil j3xayD6snEZ0JoNkStMAIy4= =A4xy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

> The cafe owners would n't be much interested in terms like FOSS and free > software, whichwould be difficult for them to digest. Not really. It is true that they won't bother about _all_ the freedoms, but when you tell them you can freely copy the thing and distribute (for price or no price) among fellow cafe owners and oher people, they would surely be interested. After all they are already feeling the heat due ti the licensing fees isn't it. > It would be beneficial to concentrate > on cost ( free as in inexpensive or phukat in Marathi :) ) . So , if any > of the members on the list are aware of the cost of the pricing ( licensing > and others if any ) , it can be shown how much money they can saved by > the cafe owners. I am sure that in the money saved they will be able to buy > atleast one more computer. True. > correct - stick to converting the server. Nothing else will work. I am curious to know what are the M$ things users demand. I have not been to a cyber cafe for a long time, and hence have lost touch with the current state of things. Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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YET another reason to use Emacs :-)
by Vihan Pandey 24 Mar '07

24 Mar '07

Hello, Hard core emacs users probably know this, but those who don't here goes : Emacs has a tetris buffer !!! :-) In an open window do : M-x tetris and play Tetris :-) As it is an Emacs buffer just kill it with C-x k Enjoy :-) And thanks to Chaitanya ``C.G" Gupta for telling me this :-) Regards, - vihan

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A Stallman article - circa 1986
by Vihan Pandey 24 Mar '07

24 Mar '07

Hello, This is an interesting article written around 1986 by Stallman - around the epoch of the GNU project. Enjoy!!! http://www.donhopkins.com/drupal/node/109?dupe=with_honor Thanks Chaitanya for telling me about this :-) Regards, - vihan

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