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Re: [ILUG-BOM] KDE 3.3.0 Final Included with yoper 2 distro anybody tried yet
by Sameer Niphadkar 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 Rohit Baisakhiya wrot= e : >Hello Luggers, > >Just downloaded and insta= lled yoper V 2.0.Has anybody else tried yoper before.The only thing i liked= very much about X/kde works very fast.Boots GUI mode very fast.The Yoper O= fficial website states : > >"The "fastest out o= f the box" OS, YOPER Linux V series, continues its global climb with t= he next stable release of V2 tagged 2.1.0, a powerful OS built upon the pro= ven speed technologies that have made its predecessors famous. = Yoper is in the most upcoming top 10 linux distros of the world. I'm cur= rently downloading v 2.0, thanks for your positive reviews it seems my down= loading time wouln't be a waste after all. rgds <= BR> Sameer > >Rgds, > >Rohit Baisakhi= ya. >http://linux.kiraninfotech.com > > &g= t;-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers = [1] [a=] References 1. 3D"http://clients.rediff.com=/

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Recipe for a successful GNU/Linux User Group
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Linux_PR/newlug.html Recipe for a Successful Linux User Group by Rick Moen <rick(a)linuxmafia.com> 1. You need a Web page. 2. Your Web page needs a reasonable URL. 3. You need a regular meeting location. 4. You need a regular meeting time. 5. You need to avoid meeting-time conflicts. 6. You need to make sure that meetings /happen/ as advertised, without fail. 7. You need a core of several Linux enthusiasts. 8. Your core volunteers need out-of-band methods of communication. 9. You need to get on the main lists of LUGs, and keep your entries accurate. 10. You must have login access to maintain your Web pages, as needed. 11. Design your Web page to be forgiving of deferred maintenance. 12. Always include the day of the week, when you cite event dates. 13. Place time-sensitive and key information prominently near the top of your main Web page. 14. Include maps and directions to your events. 15. Emphasise on your main page that your meeting will be free of charge and open to the public (if it is). 16. You'll want to include an RSVP "mailto" hyperlink, on some events. 17. Use referral pages. 18. Make sure every page has a revision date and maintainer link. 19. Check all links, at intervals. 20. You may want to consider establishing a LUG mailing list. 21. You don't need to be in the Internet Service Provider business. 22. Don't go into any other business, either. 23. Walk the walk. It's painfully grotesque to see so-called Linux user groups mailing out announcements using MS-Outlook, Eudora, or Netscape Messenger for MS-Windows (or MacOS), or other proprietary mailers for legacy operating systems -- and visibly maintaining their Web sites using MS Front Page, Adobe Page Mill, or other junkware -- /and/ hosting their LUG mailing lists on eGroups / Yahoo Groups. Fortunately, these groups are in the minority, but they convey the message of Linux being suitable in neither desktop nor server roles. Don't volunteer to look like losers in public: As the saying goes, a LUG needs to "eat its own dog food". ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick Noronha (FN) Near Convent, SALIGAO 403511 GOA India http://www.ilug-goa.tk (GNULinux Users Group Goa)

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Macromedia Dreamweaver for Linux
by Rishi 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Hi I know Google is my friend, but is there any alternative for Macromedia Dreamweaver for Linux or do I have to use Wine / CrossOverOffice? Has anyone had success with running these applications in GNU/Linux? If yes, what distro did you use and what was the hardware specs of the computer? Regards Rishi

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Compiler specific flags
by Shrikant Vishwanathan 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Hi, I am aware that there exists something called as compiler specific flags. For example, i will require that if my source code is different for different gcc versions. But i am not able trace out that information. Any idea, where can i find those. Thanks for the time. Regards, Shrikant _________________________________________________________________ Claim your Citibank Ready Cash today. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/54177.asp Its fast, easy and affordable.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] running programs
by ganesh iyer 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

sorry philip know so= mething about the envoirinment of te editors coz the warnings given by gcc = and turbo c++ compilers for the same hello world program is different. = [1] [ad=] References 1. 3D"http://clients.rediff.=/

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[OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never ask
by Nikhil Joshi 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hi! I have compiled a list of TOP 10 questions Newbies should NEVER ask on a glug list. Additions welcome ;) 1. Who is RMS ?? And who is ESR ??? Why do these people have weird names? 2. OK I've got the Linux CD's. But heck, I can't find any setup.exe on it. 3. Where can I find CD-key for Linux?? 4. Thank God Bill Gates invented email. How can I configure hotmail in kmail, evolution ? 5. Where can I get Outlook Express,Office 2000 for Linux? 6. You mean there is no VB for Linux? How do people write software then ?? 7. Yuck, what a stupid name for a programming language.. Python :( What they will come up with next? Anaconda ?? 8. I use Incredimail, Outlook. What the hell is top posting everyone here is paranoid about ?? 9. Does anyone have keygen/crack for Opera,vmware ?? 10. I like Windows XP. Well KDE and XP have no comparison man. Right? -- Sometimes one should just look at things and think about things without doing things. -- Calvin

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to export shared library functions in linux
by Shrikant Vishwanathan 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hi, You can get help from here http://www.nedprod.com/programs/gccvisibility.html Thanks and Regards, Shrikant >From: Binulal Narayanan <kutoos(a)spymac.com> >Reply-To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" ><linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to export shared library functions in linux >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:22:27 +0530 > >Hi > >Thanks > >Could you please elaborate or give some links or references? > >Binulal Narayanan > >> >>In the header file of the library, you add the following attribute against >>the function which you wish to hide >>__attribute__ ((visibility("hidden"))) > > >>Shrikant >> > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Get the best deals. Electronics, Mobiles, Jewellery..! http://go.msnserver.com/IN/54178.asp Click Here!

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will it fit in one PC.
by anthony fernandes 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

here is a question, thanks for answering in advance. i need a linux server to be installed. i have 10-12 windows clients. on the server i want file sharing print server backup (automatic) firewall proxy server. i have fedora core1 and samba. i will get webmin also. can u tell me wht else would i need. and what type of configuration would the machine need. one more thing, three machines have tally on them. now the solution i have thought about is to have the data of the tally saved on the linux server. the clients will receive it from there and the tally will read the data. tell me if this is possible and sugest how because i have not tried the tally part. thanks again. Vinod. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now.

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Linux Next
by Iqbal Dehlvi 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Dear Linux group, Linux has some inherent advantages as stability, cost less, and has hundreds of free software options. moreover no piracy issues. It is best when it comes to security and more or less immune to virus threats. Following is the list of the Disappointments with linux as of today.. May be in future it (linux) will over come. But it disappoints when it comes to deal with multimedia apps. It plays VCD but cant play DVD. Cant play OGG without using plugin. A/V chats clients are disappointing. Nero allows multi-session CD to burnt in windows which does not work in linux. Also unclosed multisession cd cant be read with out the CD writer in linux. And finally the least does anyone has tested beside knoppix the other live CD of Suse 9.1 pro, MandrakeMove 9.2 Unite to build an OS which handles everthing for everyone. Regards ID

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Linux based browser
by Dhananjay Kansara 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

Hi Seniors, I gotto know, in which linux based browser am i been able to save web pages in .mht format? Linux Rules WholE WorlD is A FamilY

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How to patch a kernel?
by komal 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

Hello I have PCQLinux 2004 kernel 2.6.2-1.160. This month LFY has patch file patch 2.6.7. It is possible to patch PCQLinux 2004 with the given patch in LFY? When I tried to patch the kernel it gave lots of warning. thank you komal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] will it fit in one PC.
by Chirag Wazir 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

Hi Vinod, >> i have 10-12 windows clients. on the server i want >> file sharing >> print server >> backup (automatic) >> firewall >> proxy server. >> what type of configuration would the machine need. Hardware wise there isn't a problem putting all this on one machine. I have 8 clients running fine off a Celeron 600MHz with 256Mb doing file/print (samba), IM server (jabber) & backup (rsync). However from the security point of view, it may be better to put your firewall & file server on separate machines. Personally I feel an OpenBSD firewall & and a Linux file server give a good blend of security & convenience. If you do go ahead with FC1 as an all-in-one server, make very sure you secure it properly. >> .... is to have the data of the tally saved on the linux server. >> the clients will receive it from there and the tally will read >> the data. tell me if this is possible and sugest how because >> i have not tried the tally part. It certainly works with Tally 5.4. You just put the tally data directory on the server & modify your tally.ini file on the clients to point to that directory. I presume the same will also work on newer versions of Tally. Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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can this fit on a machine.
by anthony fernandes 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

here is a question, thanks for answering in advance. i need a linux server to be installed. i have 10-12 windows clients. on the server i want file sharing print server backup (automatic) firewall proxy server. i have fedora core1 and samba. i will get webmin also. can u tell me wht else would i need. and what type of configuration would the machine need. one more thing, three machines have tally on them. now the solution i have thought about is to have the data of the tally saved on the linux server. the clients will receive it from there and the tally will read the data. tell me if this is possible and sugest how because i have not tried the tally part. thanks again. Vinod. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now.

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How to export shared library functions in linux
by Shrikant Vishwanathan 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

Hi, Few days back i posed this query. I found the answer and since i didnt get the solution from this group, i thought i will give it to u as well. In the header file of the library, you add the following attribute against the function which you wish to hide __attribute__ ((visibility("hidden"))) Thanks for all the help Regards, Shrikant _________________________________________________________________ NRIs ! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/icicibank/june/icicinri_tol_tl.htm Access to over 6,00,000 ATMs.

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can this fit on one machine
by anthony fernandes 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

here is a question, thanks for answering in advance. i need a linux server to be installed. i have 10-12 windows clients. on the server i want file sharing print server backup (automatic) firewall proxy server. i have fedora core1 and samba. i will get webmin also. can u tell me wht else would i need. and what type of configuration would the machine need. one more thing, three machines have tally on them. now the solution i have thought about is to have the data of the tally saved on the linux server. the clients will receive it from there and the tally will read the data. tell me if this is possible and sugest how because i have not tried the tally part. thanks again. Vinod. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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can this fit in one machine
by anthony fernandes 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

here is a question, thanks for answering in advance. i need a linux server to be installed. i have 10-12 windows clients. on the server i want file sharing print server backup (automatic) firewall proxy server. i have fedora core1 and samba. i will get webmin also. can u tell me wht else would i need. and what type of configuration would the machine need. one more thing, three machines have tally on them. now the solution i have thought about is to have the data of the tally saved on the linux server. the clients will receive it from there and the tally will read the data. tell me if this is possible and sugest how because i have not tried the tally part. thanks again. Vinod. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.

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help: GPRS / IrDA nokia 6610
by Erle Pereira 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

need to connect my cell (nokia 6610) to a toshiba laptop (satellite 2590cdt) got all the docs... gnokii, gprs scripts.. blah.. blah .. blah... && read thru all the docs... got the driver loaded "donauboe" (toshibsa) irDA.. detected irDA, irattach connect ircomm (as stated in syslog) problem... i get no discover... How do i know if my hardware itself is working (and Please do not suggest i test under wiNz... b/c I WONT!) also... has anyone used the usb / serial cable connection for nokia under GNU /Linux ? and if so .. does it work.. if it doesnt... what are the error messages.. can something be patched together.. though thru' to google says all ok and ya... running kernel 2.6.7 C'ya Erle

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Dotnet and Mono at Web Application
by Sachin Rase 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

Hi , Has anybody ran a web application written in dotnet ASP.net on windows machine to run on GNU\Linux server with "mono' ? If it is possilbe can u please explain me details about your expirece ? MONO @ http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html Any links /pointer/suggestion /feedback are welcome . Regards -- Sachin Rase GNU\Linux enthusiast 91-9819246569

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About Knoppix mailing list
by komal 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

Hello Is there anybody from our mailing list subscriber of Knoppix mailing list? Can you post the messages to knoppix mailing list? Thank you Komal

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re: [ILUG-BOM] YABS
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

There should be a "OT" in the subject line regards saswata Shreyas Phadnis <acewin_sp(a)phreaker.net> wrote: __________ >At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the >computer industry with the auto industry and stated,"If GM had kept up >with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be >driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." > >In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release >stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be >driving cars with the following characteristics: > >1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day. > >2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to >buy >a new car. > >3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You >would >have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, >shut >off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could >continue. >For some reason you would simply accept this. > >4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause >your >car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to >reinstall the engine. > >5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, >five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only >five >percent of the roads. > >6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all >be >replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" >Warning >light. > >7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying. > >8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out >and >refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, >turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna. > >9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn >how >to drive all over again, because none of the controls would operate in >the >same manner as the old car. > >10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to stop the car. > > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Now I have 10 compiled lesson for you
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

quasi <quasiabhi(a)softhome.net> wrote: __________ > >On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Anand Sharma spake thusly: > >> Thanks for your valuable comment I will defiantly take in to >> deliberation. > >Welcome. > >> What wrong if I am telling people not to make fun of newbies. >> Do you think newbie will join GLUG list if they will get such >> welcome. > >People will join this list if they want to know about GNU/Linux and >share some time with people of similar tastes /regardless of other >things/. Just to put things in perspective, I had asked who is RMS and got very angry answers. I would have been happy to have read the 10 questions Faq. Btw, I had also asked if there was any substitute to vb in linux and got properly flame. Someone in the list did come to my resque, though and did support me for asking. Regards saswata > >> This is not a fun place, this is a place to share and explore >> knowledge > >This *is* (at least supposedly but not anymore I guess) a fun place. >What is knowledge which you cannot enjoy ? For serious academic >study, meditation, retrospection and sleep, there are class rooms. > >The community shares and explores more when fun is a key ingredient. > >Which explains why we have a "grouchy old man" for an admin and we >share and explore so much. > >-- >quasi > >Utopia Unlimited! > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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running programs
by ganesh iyer 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

i have installed debian on my system.can any one help m= e to find the way to run the programs in c,c++ or java.many people say it h= as to be done through vi editor,but i dont know to work with the vi editor. please do mail me at gangzee007(a)rediffmail.com [1] [adstream_nx.cgi=] = References 1. 3D"http://clients.rediff.com/signature/tra

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Knoppix 3.6 is out?
by Rishi 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hi Is Knoppix 3.6 out? Anyone have a copy? I've heard it has KDE 3.3. Apparently KDE 3.3 is not yet available when I do apt-get install kde. Anyone had any luck getting KDE 3.3 on their debian systems? Rishi

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PXEand PRL on LTSP
by komal 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hi I have one Novell Netware Server and three diskless node with RPL based bootrom LAN card. It is possible to use RPL based LAN can used in LTSP ? What is a difference between RPL bootrom based LAN card and PXE bootrom based LAN card? How to go about purchasing bootrom for LAN card ? I have Digi Link digi 5500 tx LAN card(davicom chipset) without bootrom. Which bootrom i shuould purchase for PXE booting? Thank you Komal

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[Commercial] Linux Device Driver Course
by Concepts 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hello Everybody, We are starting a new batch of �Linux Device Drivers & kernel Programming � from 5th Sep. 2004. The course provides substantial practice with the key steps in developing Linux device drivers. At the end of the course, a group of students will be given a problem statement for the project. This project is aimed at making you proficient at writing Linux device drivers and solving real world problem. Syllabus is available at http://www.conceptsinc.s5.com/LDDCourse.htm Trainer Details: The course will be conducted by a hard-core systems developer with experience of developing WinFS file systems for Linux. He has a sound understanding of Linux Kernel Internals and currently working on OGFS distributed file system. Starting Date & Timings: 5th Sep. 2004 Weekend batch Approximate Duration: 2 mths excluding project. Know more about us from existing students! Directly talk to students of the current batch�. For more details/queries call on 9890454586 Or mail us at conceptsinc(a)yahoo.com. Concepts. Learn From Engineers / Industry Professionals. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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rootTelnet limit in Fedora 2
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hi I installed FC2 on my PC and added "pts/0, pts/1" into the file /etc/securetty. I also changed disable=Yes option to disable=No in /etc/xinetd.d/telnet. It will let me login as "root" remotely upto 2 sessions. I discovered that the 1st root login as pts/0. After I logout this session, I relogin as root and it is pts/1 session. After the 2nd time login as root remotely, I can't login as root remotely. I also ensured the closed session by typing "last" on command prompt it shows all telnet session are already closed. I can login remotely with other users name. But terminal session keeps on increasing by 1 (i.e pts/3, pts/4, pts/5 etc.) and will not be reset to pts/0 or pts/1 except reboot the system. Does anyone face on this problem before? Regards, Bilal Ahmed Mazhar

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YABS
by Shreyas Phadnis 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated,"If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics: 1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day. 2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car. 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this. 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine. 5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only five percent of the roads. 6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" Warning light. 7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying. 8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna. 9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again, because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car. 10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to stop the car.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Now I have 10 compiled lesson for you
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hum..... A flame in response to a flame ! Start of a flame war I hope !!! And yes, I know it is top-posted, but it makes sense top-posted in this case. Regards saswata quasi <quasiabhi(a)softhome.net> wrote: __________ >On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Anand Sharma spake thusly: > >> >> Dear Mr. Joshi, >> >> What are you trying to demonstrate by compiling such questions; it >> seems you dont like Newbies though you was also a Newbie once >> upon a time. Such attitude may give bad impression to the students >> and users who are new to GNU/linux or planning to migrate from other >> technology to Free Software. GLUGs mailing list is formed with >> the aim to promote GNU/Linux and to help Newbies but not to make fun >> of Newbies. > >I think making fun of the Newbie was one of the unstated goals. That >is why I made fun of myself when I first joined. > >If you feel hurt, go someplace and stop feeling hurt. Then grow up a >bit. Then when you feel mature 'nuff to start to wanna talk about >GNU/Linux, come here. You'll be welcome. > > >-- >quasi > >Utopia Unlimited! > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Debian X woes.
by lists＠pavri.net 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

I have installed debian base systemand then installed the x-windows-system and fluxbox packages online. The problem is that startx is not present on the system. After running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, the xserver starts up but crashes almost immediately. There are no obviuos errors in /var/log/Xfree.log. Where should I look for some clues ? I really would like to get debian working on this machine. regards, Sharukh. I have spent almost the whole of sunday on this andam really at the end of my tether. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/

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[OT] Peace
by Nikhil Joshi 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

Hi! I think that the thread which I started was taken in completely wrong vein. I was trying to rationalize the prevalence of the other operating system in the Curriculum. I may have been judgmental and prejudiced. Nobody is perfect. The views did not reflect my love for Linux. Peace. -- My life needs a rewind/erase button. -- Calvin

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Now I have 10 compiled lesson for you
by Anand Sharma 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

> ATTACHMENT part 3.10 message/rfc822 > From: Nikhil Joshi <nikhil_joshi(a)gmx.net> > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never ask > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:57:20 +0530 (IST) > To: glug <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Hi! > > I have compiled a list of TOP 10 questions Newbies should NEVER ask > on a > glug list. Additions welcome ;) > > 1. Who is RMS ?? And who is ESR ??? Why do these people have weird > names? > > 2. OK I've got the Linux CD's. But heck, I can't find any setup.exe > on it. > > 3. Where can I find CD-key for Linux?? > > 4. Thank God Bill Gates invented email. How can I configure hotmail > in > kmail, evolution ? > > 5. Where can I get Outlook Express,Office 2000 for Linux? > > 6. You mean there is no VB for Linux? How do people write software > then ?? > > 7. Yuck, what a stupid name for a programming language.. Python :( > What > they will come up with next? Anaconda ?? > > 8. I use Incredimail, Outlook. What the hell is top posting > everyone > here is paranoid about ?? > > 9. Does anyone have keygen/crack for Opera,vmware ?? > > 10. I like Windows XP. Well KDE and XP have no comparison man. > Right? > --------------------------------------- Dear Mr. Joshi, What are you trying to demonstrate by compiling such questions; it seems you don�t like Newbies though you was also a Newbie once upon a time. Such attitude may give bad impression to the students and users who are new to GNU/linux or planning to migrate from other technology to Free Software. GLUG�s mailing list is formed with the aim to promote GNU/Linux and to help Newbies but not to make fun of Newbies. Now I have 10 compiled lessons for you 1. You don�t seem to be a true GNU/Linux Professional, 2. You are highly inspired by Proprietary companies like M$ etc. 3. You must be very selfish. (you forgot you was also a Newbie) 4. GLUG bombay was started with couple of member today it has near about 1000 members (Its all because of Newbies not because of you) 5. Do you think you are a technology master? (You are a peanuts comparing to Newbies, they just need a platform which for you a topic of fun) 6. You are a shame for your teachers, they never made joke for your questions whenever you asked. 7. GLUG list doesn�t require people like you, who believe in criticize rather helping. (Seriously tell me how many newbies you helped till today, who was the fool asked a question to a fool) 8. Next time don�t try to show your intelligence on GLUG. Find some other place to perform such important task. 9. Newbies are the future of GNU/Linux and GLUG list so don�t so don�t mess with them. 10. You should say sorry to all Newbies who are members with GLUG list for your abusing mail. ===== ================================================== ( ) \\/^^\// Anand Sharma /|oo \ anand(a)member.fsf.org (_| /_) 9821843567 `@/ ================================================== FSF (Free Software Foundation) mission to preserve, protect and promote the freedom to use, study,copy, modify and redistribute computer software, and to defend the rights of Free Software users. ================================================= _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never ask
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

exactly . >3-4 years ago when I started using Linux, I hoped I will see widespread >use of Linux in Desktop environment, but alas, Linux has still remained in >the domain of enthusiasts.The present if is indicative of future, I >beleive Linux will continue to dominate the Server environment and Windows >the Desktop environment. Microsoft doesn't agree with your thinking. They have already accepted that they may no longer control desktop. So dotnet stresses browser centric software. They want to control servers, database and webservers and let users access the software with what ever browsers they want. They have already started moves to get larger share of server market, at cost of unix, but lots of linux servers have also moved to windows. Ofcourse, the spate of security holes and virus has prompted return flow back to linux for many and also earned fresh converts. Regards saswata > >-- > Why do we drink cow's milk? Who was the first guy who first looked at a cow >and said "I think I'll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze >'em!"? -- Calvin > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never
by Anand Sharma 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

> ATTACHMENT part 3.6 message/rfc822 > From: Nikhil Joshi <nikhil_joshi(a)gmx.net> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never > ask > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:42:46 +0530 (IST) > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" > <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > > > Well, if you remove the enforced Windows requirements from > courses, then > > *some* people may be motivated to move to Linux/BSD/Unix. > > > > As per my personal experience, development on Linux is far more > tougher > than in Windows. I recently worked on a live mini-ERP project and I > was > quite fascinated by the ease of development provided by Visual > Basic. > It was the first time I was working on VB and before I knew I was > writing > VB modules! Many of Open Source developers despise VB just because > it is > a Microsoft product.But I still feel that in real world situations > where > Managers are paranoid about ROI ( Return Of Investment ) and expect > > software to be delivered as fast as possible; Visual Studio comes > to the > rescue. Also given the emergence of .NET technology I beleive > Visual > Studio is going to be a dominant development environment. J2EE I > feel is > certainly going to face some competition. > Given this scenario I feel the people who design the curriculum are > > obliged to include more of Windows content than Linux > > > > > > Respect? Most of the software developers are in it for the money, > not > > respect. And money comes to those who can support Windows and > develop > > for it faster than those who develop for Linux (state of the > market). > > > > > exactly . > 3-4 years ago when I started using Linux, I hoped I will see > widespread > use of Linux in Desktop environment, but alas, Linux has still > remained in > the domain of enthusiasts.The present if is indicative of future, I > > beleive Linux will continue to dominate the Server environment and > Windows > the Desktop environment. > What nonsense you are talking about using VB & .NET makes ease of development. Man you are still in a tinny pond, come out of it and see the world where its moving. Today easiest, fastest, and of course cost effective method is GNU/Linux and free software. I have many examples which you may not even dream of possible only with GNU/Linux & free software. ===== ================================================== ( ) \\/^^\// Anand Sharma /|oo \ anand(a)member.fsf.org (_| /_) 9821843567 `@/ ================================================== FSF (Free Software Foundation) mission to preserve, protect and promote the freedom to use, study,copy, modify and redistribute computer software, and to defend the rights of Free Software users. ================================================= _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

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Admin: OC/QC filtering
by quasi 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

Hey grouchy old man, If it is possible, can we block emails which have a beyond-one-limit Original/Quoted ratio ? I have seen mails which have 3-5 lines of original content and literally 2-6 /levels/ of irrelevant quoted contend. -- quasi Utopia Unlimited!

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Fw: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never ask
by Devdas Bhagat 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

I believe that this should have gone to the list. Forwarded as recieved. Devdas Bhagat ----- Forwarded message from Tushar Gohil <tushargohil(a)rediffmail.com> ----- From: "Tushar Gohil" <tushargohil(a)rediffmail.com> Date: 25 Aug 2004 18:24:14 -0000 To: "Devdas Bhagat" <devdas(a)dvb.homelinux.org> Subject: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never ask Reply-To: "Tushar Gohil" <tushargohil(a)rediffmail.com> Dear Friends Hello I am Tushar Gohil from Surat (Gujarat). Today I was looking for few Linux related help... And I found Bombay GNU/Linux users group(Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India) ... in google results and I sign up..... Very first mail I got from Devdas Bhagat I know of very few people in India who share knowledge. Even knowledge is treated as something secret, sharing which will reduce your market value. > Where people share the knowledge with others who never > got a chance to? 5> I have found that most people I meet need to be "taught" how to use Linux and administer it. There is no quick way of learning to administer a UNIX system. You either learn on the job, from someone who will walk you through it (this *will* take years), or you experiment around and teach yourself. The third easy choice is not to do this at all. I have one suggestion for a u guy is it possible to make one ircd server and we start online chat... Like irc.freenode.net ##Linux º great source for help... coz I use to chat in #Linux dalnet (nick Tushaar) ircd I can sponsor .. with giga bandwidth support Tushar Gohil MCP,CCNA.RHCT.SCSA (But no job) On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 Devdas Bhagat wrote : >On 25/08/04 18:10 +0530, Binulal Narayanan wrote: > > Quasi: > > > > > >this shows: > > >#1 Apathy towards GNU/Linux in the education system > > >#2 Complete ignorance of current state of affairs *in his own subject* > > > by the student. > > > > > > > Dear Friends: > > This is the case with 99% of the technical student community in > > India. :-( . Well, this will be more clear if you count the number of > >In accordance with Sturgeon's law, that should be 90%. > > > GNU/Linux users in your class. I don't know what happens in Premier > > institutes; but u can see people (who are going to be the mighty > > engineers and scientists who's supposed to shape our nations future) > > using pirated software everywhere. The computer dealers who assemble > >Well, if you remove the enforced Windows requirements from courses, then >*some* people may be motivated to move to Linux/BSD/Unix. > >Here, in my opinion, are the factors hindering Linux usage/adoption: > >1> The prevalance of cheap, low quality hardware (eg, internal modems). >2> The lack of support for Linux from most assemblers/hardware vendors. > This is a major issue when it comes to diagnosing hardware >trouble. Given the very wide variety of hardware available for the x86 >platform, support is far more complicated than for a simpler platform >like the Mac. > > > PCs give pirated software. And most of our students BUY assembed PCs - > >3> Because they /want/ support. What we really need is a Walmart >equivalent offering cheap Linux desktops for 10K or less. Unlike the >developed world, where 1K USD is a relatively small amount, the >equivalent for an Indian is high. > >4> Linux GUIs are not familiar to the end user. If you say >KDE/Gnome, they need to run as fast as Windows in 128 MB RAM, which >simply isn't happening. > >5> I have found that most people I meet need to be "taught" how to use >Linux and administer it. > There is no quick way of learning to administer a Unix system. >You either learn on the job, from someone who will walk you through it >(this *will* take years), or you experiment around and teach yourself. >The third easy choice is not to do this at all. > > > instead of assembling one. When projects come, they take it from Open > > Source or BUY it from PROJECT GUIDANCE AGENCIES. If you ask our > > "TECHNICALLY POWERED GRADUATE" such questions, s/he'll say it's out of > > syllabus. Nobody is ready to take the pain. If technical Students ignore > > technology so much, what about others. (Anyway they live better lives.) > >Life? whats that? > > > So how long will we have to wait for the culture to evolve, > > where we use softwares giving the right RESPECT to its > > developers? > >Respect? Most of the software developers are in it for the money, not >respect. And money comes to those who can support Windows and develop >for it faster than those who develop for Linux (state of the market). > > > where people put back something to the ocean of > > knowledge, from which they nourished ? > >I know of very few people in India who share knowledge. Even knowledge >is treated as something secret, sharing which will reduce your market >value. > > > where people share the knowledge with others who never > > got a chance to? > >A chance to do what? Learn? Most of the people on this list who share >knowledge have joined much earlier. They know enough to search for >information on Google first. Given that they learnt at a time when the >TLDP was young, Internet connections were expensive, and Google just >didn't have the volume of information it does today, I would say that >they have made enough contributions back in terms of the sheer volume of >documentation. > >So, when do the newbies on the list start posting answers? It doesn't >matter if you aren't really clear on the topic, try helping and reading >documentation to help out. You will learn far more that way. > >Devdas Bhagat > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers ----- End forwarded message -----

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Query on shared libraries
by Shrikant Vishwanathan 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Hi all, I know that you can export functions in a DLL in Windows. This does not seem to be the case in shared libraries in linux. Or is there an equivalent in linux as well. thanx for the time. Regards, Shrikant _________________________________________________________________ Dreaming of building your very own house? http://citibank.mediaturf.net/carcash2/landing/key_landing.jsp?referrer=HMt… Get Citibank Home Loan.

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Peer-Peer Networking in Linux
by Nikhil Joshi 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Hi! Is there any way to implement peer-peer networking in Linux just like in Windows? e.g. I have 4 PCs at home,one for each family member. Security is not a major concern as we trust each other. I want anyone to share anything on this small network. On Windows 98, I can simply enable file-sharing on each PC and the respective users will share their resources either: Read-only Full Access Password-Protected Read-only or Full Access Being a system admin for few months, I feel this is a simple and very fast way of implementing a small network. I have wondered whether the similar kind of network can be set using Linux Desktops. Any ideas ? ( Should I be using Samba ? ) Thanks, Nikhil Joshi P.S. One may argue that what's the use of a network if it is not secure, vulnerable to worms, viruses, etc.? But then I feel if there were no worms, viruses, security threats, crashes, etc. there would not have been any System Admins ;) But to be fair enough IMHO Windows makes a System/Network Admin's life easier. -- "The inside of my head was exploding with fireworks. Fortunately, my last thought turned out the lights when it left." --- Calvin

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Gentoo 2004.2 CD's needed.
by Yashesh Bhatia 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Hi, Does anyone have Gentoo 2004.2 for x86 on CD's or anyone know where I can pick it up in Mumbai. I've tried http://www.seascope.co.in but no luck. Thx. Yashesh Bhatia.

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MySQL and ODBC
by komal 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

HI Here is my query. I am thinking to develop application on Linux platform with MySQL. My question is it is possible to access MySQL database on Linux platform from Windows machine using MySQL ODBC driver. Thank you, Komal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Query on shared libraries
by Shrikant Vishwanathan 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Hi, But using dlopen, the problem of accessilbiilty still persists. The program using the library, will have access to all functions in the library. I would like to have selective exporting of the library functions to the application. Something that will be the equivalent of dllexport and dllimport in Windows. libtool, from what i read, does not address this issue. thanx for the time. Regards, Shrikant >> >>I know that you can export functions in a DLL in Windows. This does not >>seem to be the case in shared libraries in linux. > >heard of .so files? > >read up on dlopen and libtool. > _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss out on jobs that are not advertised. http://www.naukri.com/msn/index.php?source=hottag Post your CV on naukri.com today.

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Interisting Problem
by derwynd 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

I have a off line modem. The idea is that voice mails and faxes go and sit in the modem when the computer is off and modem is on. Modem is a MultiTech modem To see my fax I use windows software called Phone Tools from BVPD software. I do not want to use windows anymore. I tried mounting it through wine to it did not work.... Anyone any idea of what I should use to access faxes when I switch my comp on. How do I access my faxes. Thanks Derwyn Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] List of bugs fixed in XP SP2
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

quasi <quasiabhi(a)softhome.net> wrote: __________ >On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Harsh Busa spake thusly: > >> Microsoft has published the complete list of bugs fixed in Service >> Pack 2. >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;811113 >> >> There are 810 of them fixed ! . one wud rather rewrite the os :) > >810 would seem like a small number considering their code size? Do not forget that this is SP2. Many problems were fixed in SP1. Besides, they fixed errors that are public, god knows how many more are stil there waiting for crackers to exploit. Regards saswata > > >-- >quasi > >Utopia Unlimited! > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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{ot} List of bugs fixed in XP SP2
by Harsh Busa 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Microsoft has published the complete list of bugs fixed in Service Pack 2. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;811113 There are 810 of them fixed ! . one wud rather rewrite the os :) -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Microsoft Patents sudo
by Harsh Busa 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

Jimmy O Regan writes "Justin Mason (of SpamAssassin fame) has this blog entry[http://taint.org/2004/08/20/024522a.html]: US Patent 6,775,781[], filed by Microsoft, is a patent on the concept of 'a process configured to run under an administrative privilege level' which, based on authorization information 'in a data store', may perform actions at administrative privilege on behalf of a 'user process'." -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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netware and samba
by komal 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

How does Samba compare with NetWare in terms of efficiency in its file and print server? Komal

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HP PSC 1210 not detected on FC2
by Philip Tellis 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

I have a HP PSC 1210 printer. It used to work perfectly on Fedora Core 1 (kernel 2.4.x). I had to put the default printer and scanner drivers into the /etc/hotplug/blacklist file so that the hpoj driver could handle the same. After upgrading to FC2, the printer is no longer detected. The module names have changed to usblp and usbscanner I think, so I blacklisted those, but it makes no difference. printer doesn't get detected. Any ideas? Philip

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virus scanners for email gateways
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

I know I can always google for virus scanners available for linux based email gateways, but what I want to know is people's experience with them. How easy / difficult is it to set them up for a large organisation? How effective are they? How frequently can you update them? Is there an auto-learning phase involved? What are the pro's and cons of such auto-learning scanners? Sameer. -- Research Scholar, KReSIT, IIT Bombay http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/

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Re: [Humor] SCOpe for a laugh
by Vickram Crishna 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

Actually Google is very high on humor, which shows to me that they are not just commercial cold-blooded types - you probably know that they have one of the world's highest concentration of PhDs in a commercial organisation. The simple web page, on which they often reflect global events through fun modifications of their logo (right now, every day is a new Olympic event) I think shows a good attitude. Can you imagine a Microsoft or Sun playing with the logo on their main site? There are many other examples of irony (even anti-Bush administration jokes, and anti-MS) they make through Easter eggs planted in the I'm Feeling Lucky option - but I don't think this is the forum for exchanging all of them. In fact, since these jokes are not taken down, it is clear the Google management tacitly approves, so they aren't really classic Easter eggs, though the jokes themselves are classic. Against this, I am afraid I find many commercial Linux distro companies totally short on humor of any kind. If anyone would care to correct me, most welcome. -- Vickram

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FC2 booting up w/ a readonly fs
by lists＠pavri.net 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

I have an IBM laptop. I have upgraded the hdd to a 20g from a 6g hdd. I have (had ?) FC2 on hda2 w/ home on hda6. hda5 is swap. I then loaded debian testing froma netisntall CD and then I loaded x-windows and some other software online. Partitioning of the disk was done previoulsy using tomsrtbt. Grub of FC2 is on hda2 and grub of debian os on hda3. hda2 is the active partition. After installing debian testing, I am unable to boot into FC2. I get the following errors and things come to a standstill. ---------------------------------------------- Updtaing /etc/fstab: Unable to open /etc/fstab for writing: Read only file system. touch: cannot touch '/var/lock/subsys/kudzu': Read only file system touch: cannot touch '/var/lock/subsys/iptables': Read only file system Starting system logger: ----------------------------------------------- the system just waits here and goes no further. regards, Sharukh. ps.: see my other mail for my debian woes :( pps.: I am using the web interface for this email so please excuse me if the lines don't wrap. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Humor] SCOpe for a laugh
by Vivek J.Patankar 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

On Sat Aug 21 22:43 , Rishi <rishigangoly(a)gmail.com> sent: >So this means google did something to make it happen? >Which means they can and are in control of what website should be >ranked first? Scary ;-) Ofcourse they did. it's obvious that the ppl who made it can manipulate it. >Is Google going to be another Microsoft that we all have begun to hate so much? I don't think so. Google uses open source software. Probably it's just their way of expressing what they feel about the entire SCO issue. >Points to ponder huh! ---- Introducing Spymac MailPro: http://www.spymac.com/mailpro/

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