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PPPOE related issues
by Devranjan Das 05 Apr '08

05 Apr '08

Hi I use PPPOE (default implementation that came with Ubuntu 7.04) to connect to my ISP. Everything was fine for last two years. But from last three days, I am not able use Internet. I tried using Windows where everything works fine with the same settings. On "ifconfig -a", it shows the ppp adapter. But when I enter the URL in the browser it says "looking for google.co.in". I am not able to ping the DNS server. I think that its not getting DNS response. When I run the pppoe configuration utility, it fetches the DNS server address from the ISP. My friend who uses the same ISP has also reported the same problem with Ubuntu 7.04. Can anybody help. -- Dev Ranjan Das Scientific Officer 'C' Laser and Plasma Technology Division Bhabha Atomic Research Centre Trombay, Mumbai - 400085 Phone: Office: 022-25595697 e-mail: devranjandas(a)gmail.com 513,Nilgiri, Anushaktinagar, Mumbai- 400094, Phone: 022-25572003 http://vision-2020.blogspot.com

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[Cross Posting] How the corrupt ones manipulate things
by Sudhir Gandotra 04 Apr '08

04 Apr '08

It is clear that they have manipulated and won an important round. Now, the only way is to make some Government/s appeal in the matter within 60 days, otherwise, the corrupt one wins this game. It may be worth trying an effort (in the form of a strong-focused campaign) wherein Linux users come together (virtually, to begin with) and educate various Governments. It will be a worthy cause to make this effort and also we test the strength of the community (with a view to improve it further as a result of this test). We need our world to be ours and we need to take it away from the corrupt ones. Shall we begin? ==================================================== Microsoft wins battle for OOXML approval http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39378350,00.htm The International Organization for Standardization has officially approved Microsoft's OOXML specification as a standard. The news confirms documents leaked on Tuesday were genuine. Three-quarters of the "Principal Countries" involved in the vote gave their approval (at least two-thirds were needed) and just 14 percent of participating members of ISO and the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) disapproved (under a quarter was needed). According to ISO's Wednesday statement: "Subject to there being no formal appeals from ISO/IEC national bodies in the next two months, the International Standard will accordingly proceed to publication." Although there have been allegations of voting irregularities within some of the national standards bodies that in turn participated in the ISO vote, no national body has yet made a formal appeal to ISO. One prominent example had been an objection from Steve Pepper, the chairman of Standard Norge's joint technical committee, which he faxed directly to the ISO. In the letter, he claimed that 80 percent of the committee had been against the OOXML standard being passed — Norway officially recorded a vote of approval. However, a spokesperson for Standard Norge told ZDNet.co.uk on Wednesday that the organisation had not made a formal appeal to ISO, and did not intend to do so. "One of the committee members sent a fax to ISO about this matter, but he did that directly and not through us," the spokesperson said. A spokesperson for ISO confirmed on Wednesday that it had not yet received any formal objections to the OOXML voting process, and refused to comment on the reports of voting irregularities within national bodies. --- With best wishes for Unity in thinking, feeling and action. Sudhir Gandotra. 98-101-20918 You don't need violence to shake the world Treat Others As You Would Have Them Treat You www.humanistmovement.org

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and now is the time for hero worship
by Kenneth Gonsalves 04 Apr '08

04 Apr '08

http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/default.mspx -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/

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Intro...
by Anshul Khandelwal 04 Apr '08

04 Apr '08

Hey there! I am new to this list, group and city so I thought I did just pop in and say hi! I am a slackware user... and I have been one since quite some time. I was looking through the website and either it hasn't been updated or this group hasn't met for quite some time or I missed something obvious. :) Is there a meeting planned anytime soon? Cheers, Anshul -- Anshul Khandelwal, Informm, Valuepitch, Bombay. www.informm.in http://valuepitch.com Home Page/openid: http://anshul.baboonlogic.com/ Blog: http://baboonlogic.com -- अंशुल खंडेलवाल

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Mention of Manoj Srivastav in `fortune'
by Mohan Nayaka 04 Apr '08

04 Apr '08

Hi, Just saw this when I ran `fortune': frodo@laptop-zion:~$ fortune Techical solutions are not a matter of voting. Two legislations in the US states almost decided that the value of Pi be 3.14, exactly. Popular vote does not make for a correct solution. -- Manoj Srivastava Regards, Mohan S N -- Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. -- Gandalf the Grey [J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"]

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by Prashant Shah 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

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MS PR at work? --> Re: How the corrupt ones manipulate things
by Ravindra Jaju 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

Rediff had a _very_ short-lived front-page news item on ISO approval of OOXML. It immediately started attracting anti-OOXML comments, and they promptly relegated it to their backside... (no pun intended) (Devil's advocate) - MS PR managers at work? http://in.rediff.com/money/2008/apr/03ms.htm Given the quality of rediff news items, and those of comments on them, it's hard to convince oneself that moving this important news item away had nothing more to it. -- jaju

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] How can I put the Source RPM file in installation disk of Fedora?
by Debarshi Ray 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

> Soruce RPM installed content into /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS directory. I want to > change that to /root's home directory, can I do that ? if yes then how can > i do that? One way to do that is to set custom values for %_topdir, %_sourcedir, %_specdir, %_srcrpmdir, %_builddir, and %_rpmdir in your ~/.rpmmacros file. eg., I use the following line: %_topdir /home/rishi/devel/redhat Ref: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-rpm2/ Cheers, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe

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How the corrupt ones manipulate things
by Venkatesh Hariharan 02 Apr '08

02 Apr '08

> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:09:07 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Cross Posting] How the corrupt ones manipulate > things - are we going to allow them to win ? Should we just keep quiet or > begin a global protest ? > On Saturday 29 March 2008 10:53 am, Sudhir Gandotra wrote: > > > The statement goes on to say that Danish Standards is changing its > > vote because "the 168 Danish comments have been adopted as changes > > to ISO/IEC DIS 29500 OOXML". > > What they did not tell you is that abstain = yes. And that email votes > count. Only that many of the abstainers never recieved any intimation > stating that abstain = yes. > > So in the bizzare M$ universe no with comments become yes, if the ecma > makes a comment - any comment - on your comment and abstain = yes and > you can change a no to yes BUT you turncoats cant change a yes to no. > > Get it. NO? aha that's what happens if you dont use M$. > The standard operating process of Microsoft has been: a) Stuff the committee with supporters (as happened in Pakistan and other countries) b) If that doesn't work and the committee says NO to OOXML then c) Complain to the ministries under which the committee works, threaten to withdraw investment, get proxies to file complaints etc. In India, I hear that they raised the issue with the Prime Minister's Office and the PM called for a meeting on this issue on Thursday. Apparently, the head of one of the software export houses (a VERY respected person) also sent a fax supporting OOXML *after* the committee had given its decision, trying to overturn India's NO vote. Someone should ask whether these companies represent India's interests on the BIS committee or are they protecting their dollar revenues? Venky

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How can I put the Source RPM file in installation disk of Fedora?
by Neelesh Gurjar 01 Apr '08

01 Apr '08

I have created Source RPM file and I want to put that in Fedora Installation Disk so that when I install Fedora it will install that file. How can I put that into installation disk of Fedora? Soruce RPM installed content into /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS directory. I want to change that to /root's home directory, can I do that ? if yes then how can i do that? -- Regards NeeleshG LINUX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity

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[Cross Post] Are you a Debian user?
by Kartik Mistry 01 Apr '08

01 Apr '08

Hi, Please give your feedback as a Debian user after reading this mail, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/03/msg02475.html Thanks! -- Cheers, Kartik Mistry | 0xD1028C8D | IRC: kart_ Blogs: {ftbfs,kartikm}.wordpress.com

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Issue in RHEL Clustering in Failover Domain
by Neelesh Gurjar 31 Mar '08

31 Mar '08

Hi, I have setup Redhat cluster and Failover Domains. 1. How can I setup Apache as a Failover service ? 2. In that do I have to create one unique Virtual IP on both servers and share that IP as resource ? or Redhat Cluster suit will create that IP virtually ? So from outside that IP will get http request. -- Regards NeeleshG LINUX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity

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Testing
by Rony 31 Mar '08

31 Mar '08

Hello Hello Hello Mike Testing 1 2 3 4 5 Hello Hello. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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[Cross Posting] How the corrupt ones manipulate things - are we going to allow them to win ? Should we just keep quiet or begin a global protest ?
by Sudhir Gandotra 31 Mar '08

31 Mar '08

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39375179,00.htm Denmark changes OOXML vote to 'yes' Denmark has decided to back Microsoft's Office Open XML document format, reversing its previous disapproval and bringing the format closer to fast-track approval by the International Organization for Standardization. According to a Friday statement on the website of Danish Standards (the Danish equivalent of the British Standards Institution, or BSI), the country's previous vote of "disapproval with comments" on the original draft of the OOXML standard has now been changed to a vote of "approval". The statement goes on to say that Danish Standards is changing its vote because "the 168 Danish comments have been adopted as changes to ISO/IEC DIS 29500 OOXML". Denmark's change of vote enables OOXML to pass one of two criteria to becoming a standard — that fewer than 25 percent of the large group of bodies "observing" the process disapprove. However, OOXML is still three short of the positive votes required amongst the 32 standards bodies "participating" in the process. Some of these are wavering, however. It is known that the technical committee advising Britain's BSI has changed its recommendation, meaning Britain may also change its vote from "no" to "yes". However, BSI has refused to say whether its policy group will adopt a "yes" position, until after the deadline of midnight on Saturday. --- With best wishes for Unity in thinking, feeling and action. Sudhir Gandotra. 98-101-20918 IIPL: B-220/2, 2nd Fl., Savitri Nagar, Malviya Nagar, New Delhi 110017, India Phone : +91-11-26014670, 71, 72. Fax : +91-11-26014672 OpenLX Linux OS, Linux Training, Support, Services, Product Development Affordable Business Desktop @ Just Rs. 500/- : http://kalculate.com/piracy.php http://www.openlx.com/openlx.html - FOSS award 2008 winner Linux from India http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/24867/news.htm http://openlx.com/features.html - OpenLX Linux features You don't need violence to shake the world Treat Others As You Would Have Them Treat You www.humanistmovement.org

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ldconfig: Cannot lstat .....libmysqlclient.so.15.0.0: Permission denied
by Agnello George 29 Mar '08

29 Mar '08

I am tring to install LAMP on fedora core 7 i have installed mysql ( mysql-5.0.45 ) ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql --localstatedir=/usr/local/mysql/data --disable-maintainer-mode --with-mysqld-user=mysql --enable-large-files-without-debug make && make install and every thing went fine inorder to tell the system where ro find the dynamic libraries i added echo "/usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql" >> /etc/ld.so.conf when i ran the following command it gave me the this error # ldconfig [root@v3 bin]# ldconfig -v ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.15: Permission denied/usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql: ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so: Permission denied ldconfig: Cannot lstat /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.15.0.0: Permission denied the permission in this direcory is as follows : [root@v3 bin]# ll /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql/ total 2384 -rw-r--r-- 1 root mysql 12376 2008-03-29 20:18 libdbug.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root mysql 48896 2008-03-29 20:18 libheap.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root mysql 369964 2008-03-29 20:18 libmyisam.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root mysql 27578 2008-03-29 20:18 libmyisammrg.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root mysql 641264 2008-03-29 20:18 libmysqlclient.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mysql 875 2008-03-29 20:18 libmysqlclient.la lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2008-03-29 20:18 libmysqlclient.so -> libmysqlclient.so.15.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2008-03-29 20:18 libmysqlclient.so.15 -> libmysqlclient.so.15.0.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mysql 530840 2008-03-29 20:18 libmysqlclient.so.15.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root mysql 289666 2008-03-29 20:18 libmystrings.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root mysql 315422 2008-03-29 20:18 libmysys.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root mysql 7582 2008-03-29 20:18 libvio.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root mysql 89036 2008-03-29 20:18 libz.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mysql 761 2008-03-29 20:18 libz.la can some one help me out why i am getting this Premission denied error Thanks a million!! -- Regards Agnello Dsouza www.linux-vashi.blogspot.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
by Debarshi Ray 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

>> We work around it but is the BIOS not the culprit in such cases? I am >> not saying that GNU won't load on these machines. > GNU will not load on *any* machine - you need a kernel for that As a matter of fact, GNU *does* load, and I happen to use a couple of such machines. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] BIS committee votes against ooxml
by Arun Khan 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

How have the other countries', equivalent BIS organization, voted? -- Arun Khan

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Multimedia and Bluetooth in Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy)
by Rony Bill 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

Hello All, Till Kubuntu 7.04, multimedia support for audio and video was added post installation by simply installing the package 'libxine-extracodecs' and 'libdvdcss'. Now in Kubuntu 7.10 gutsy, the package libxine-extracodecs is no longer present. The website https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/RC/Kubuntumentions a package called 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' to be installed for multimedia support. I had already installed 'libdvdcss' and 'w32codecs' but Kaffeine would not play avi and mp4 files. VLC player was playing these files but I could not control brightness and contrast in VLC. After installing the package 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' via apt, I am able to play these files in Kaffeine too. For bluetooth in Kubuntu 7.10, nothing has to be installed. simply run 'sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth start' and it will start the service and place the bluetooth icon in the system tray. The bluetooth adapter was the 'Enter' one which I had bought recently. I tried a nokia N82 phone. I double-clicked on the bluetooth icon in the taskbar and Konqueror opened up with an icon of a wired telephone handset and n82 as its label. To enter this I had to set a password in the mobile and in the popup window on computer. Then on clicking 'OBEX File Transfer' I got 2 folders C and E. C was the mobile's memory and E was the external 2 GB memory. Every time I tried to enter a folder, the phone would ask whether to accept the connection or not. To eliminate that, the computer was 'authorised' in the phone's settings. Connection speed is 45 to 50 Kbytes/sec only but this may be a limitation of the phone's hardware. I haven't tried it in windows. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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should I use ubuntu 64 bit with a t5500 core2 intel processor?
by krishnakant Mane 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

hello, this is not really directly related to accessibility but perhaps may be a problem as such. I have a machine with intel core2 duo (sentrino ) t5500 processor with 1.6 ghz/2 specification. is this a genuan 64 bit processor? should I use ubuntu 64 bit with all t5500 core2 processors for optimul performance?

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FLOSS in schools... a syllabi for the Third Standard (eight/nine-year-old) student from India
by Frederick Noronha [फ़र ेदरिक नोर ोनया] 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

Free software in schools. Download this from here http://www.divshare.com/download/4053521-61e >From Farida Umrani <mailtofarida(a)gmail.com> I am working with Prof. Sridhar Iyer at Dept of Computer Science, IIT Bombay on content development for school computer science based on Edubuntu . We will have the content for elementary class ready in 2008. I am sending you a draft of a textbook for class I (the file is bulky; hence split and send in two mails). [DOWNLOAD FROM URL ABOVE] At present, I am implementing this curriculum in one of the pilot schools. We have included Scratch as a programming language for students in Grade 3 & 4. Currently we are focusing on elementary classes and plan to scale it up in the next academic year. We are facing difficulties in getting the teachers familiar with open source. Most schools do not have a system administrator or even a regular Internet connection to get the regular updates and prefer an installable CD that gives them everything. But to a windows user, this does not appear intuitive and hence they are put off by it. I wanted to know about your experience with Goa schools? I have read that GCSP trained engineering students and teachers. Did these students help the local schools? We announced a training program for school teachers, but got poor response and therefore deferred it. Did you face similar problems? How did you deal with them? I myself have a Psychology background... and it has taken me several hours of work and reading up the forums to understand the installation and getting all the dependencies right. However, what is encouraging is that students have received the open source applications very well. I hope to learn from your experience at Goa. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Ym/Gmailtalk: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | fred(a)bytesforall.org Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9970157402 ----------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] BIS committee votes against ooxml
by Arun Khan 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

> Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:18:07 +0530 > From: "Nishit Dave" <stargazer.dave(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] BIS committee votes against ooxml > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, krishnakant Mane > <researchbase(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > I went through the editorial. > > one more point which struck me was that it creates an impression > > that this is a "proxy for product war " > > which means all those who supported odf also had some selfish > > marketing gains. > > here we should note that people like Dr. Nagarjun have helped this > > cause due to no "marketing of product " aim. > > secondly the tone of the editorial also talks about the licensing > > cost issue and has not really emphasised on the "freedom aspect " > > which implies freedom to encript and decript the data by any one > > who wishes to do so. > > it uses words like "negociations for license costs ", correct me if > > I am remembering wrong but although my quoting might not be word to > > word correct, the tone of the article is towards saying that odf is > > for those who care about the cost of licensing and it talks nothing > > much about freedom. > > Yes, I forgot to mention that. One more reason to believe they are > reading out of Microsoft's PR briefs. Can we work upon drafting a > letter to the editor as the GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai? Please take the lead. IMO, the commentaries here are good **but** the Business Standard (BS) editors and readership do *not see* them unless it is posted on the BS site. Pls. register and post your comments there. The more the better. -- Arun Khan

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BIS committee votes against ooxml
by Nagarjuna G. 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

India's BIS votes against ooxml. out of 19 members, five of them did not attend the meeting, one of them abstained, five voted in favor of ooxml, and the rest voted against. -- Nagarjuna G. http://www.gnowledge.org/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
by Arun Khan 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

On Wednesday 19 Mar 2008, linuxers-request(a)mm.glug-bom.org wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:25:36 +0530 > From: "Dinesh Joshi" <dinesh.a.joshi(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > If anyone of you is planning to buy a system or a new motherboard > > then avoid Intel original ones like plague. They take more than a > > month to simply pick up boards in warranty and their communication > > channels are pathetic. My colleagues and I have some warranty > > boards lying with us for more than a month and they have yet to be > > picked up by Intel. Their service is too bad. > > Well, atleast Intel has a service. For GNU/Linux users, AMD Boards > should be ideally avoided like plague ;) Anyway, must be a temporary > thing. It wasn't that bad about a year ago... Any particular brand mobos for the AMD cpus? The OP identified Intel manufactured mobos, not all manufacturers of mobos for the Intel family. -- Arun Khan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] BIS committee votes against ooxml
by Arun Khan 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

> Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:58:17 +0530 > From: "Ravindra Jaju" <ravindra.jaju(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] BIS committee votes against ooxml .... snip ... > If someone drafts a letter to BS (wow! it indeed did write BS, no?), > please post here and count me as one of the supporters when you send! > I have posted my comment on the site <http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?tab=r&autono=31779…> Unless you send in *your own comments* directly to BS no one there will know about your views on their editorial. -- Arun Khan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] BIS committee votes against ooxml
by Arun Khan 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

> Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:06:49 +0530 > From: "Nishit Dave" <stargazer.dave(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] BIS committee votes against ooxml ... snip ... > > The editorial in Business Standard today again seems to speak from > Microsoft's point of view, and calls OOXML an already existing > standard!! As an interested group, we should write to them (and > other newspapers) and strongly represent our point of view. > > Any takers? Such declarations in an editorial column is unprofessional. Pls. give link to the online version (if possible) and the email address "letter to the editor", and let's all write to editor. -- Arun Khan

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ps -ef | grep nobody ???
by Pradnyesh Sawant 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

Hello, today I noticed heavy disk utilization. I did top to find this:- ********************************************************************** nobody 10204 10203 6 10:06 ? 00:00:05 /usr/bin/find / -ignore_readdir_race ( -fstype NFS -o -fstype nfs -o -fstype nfs4 -o -fstype ********************************************************************** can somebody kindly throw some light on this _nobody_ and what is he doing on my m/c? thanks a lot in advance :) -- warm regards, Pradnyesh Sawant -- In a day, when you don't come across any problems -- you can be sure that you are travelling in a wrong path. --Swami Vivekananda

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by Prashant Shah 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

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Out of the box drivers (Was [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards)
by Arun Khan 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

On Friday 21 Mar 2008, jtd wrote: > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:22:50 +0530 > From: jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards > > On Friday 21 March 2008 11:58 am, Arun Khan wrote: > > On Thursday 20 Mar 2008, linuxers-request(a)mm.glug-bom.org wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:18:11 +0530 > > > From: jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> > > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards > > > > ...... snip ..... > > > > > AMD is any day a better bet as far as drivers go. They have > > > opened the specs to the cpu, chipset and the 3d graphics engine > > > as well. Only a matter of time before you have full 3d support on > > > all AMD chipsets. ... snip ... > > About 18 months ago, when I was researching Linux compatibility for > > a notebook purchase. Intel chipset based models were the best bet. > > > > All major Linux distros - everything worked out of the box (WiFi, > > 3D graphics). > > Afaik the intel chipsets have relatively pathetic 3d. Maybe for the power user *but* for the average desktop user, the out of the box compiz-fusion 3D experience is plenty. I have not seen any discernable difference compared to ATI or NVidia (prop. drivers). Other posts have similar comments. > > Whereas on a HP AMD Turion notebook of same vintage (ATI chipset), > > even today I have to opt for downloading prop. drivers to get full > > 3D. > > A dell laptop with AMD turion worked out of the box with etch about 8 > months ago. 2D or 3D? Which ATI chipset? In my case, it is ATI Radeon Express 200M. I have no issues with 2D. Indeed, most Linux distros install on it. To the best of my knowledge, even today I have to download ATI prop. drivers to get 3D support. It is the only way to get compiz-fusion working on it :) ... snip ... > > The specs for the older chipsets have not been released (for reasons > best known to AMD). But specs for the newer chipsets have been The reason is on their web site <http://ati.amd.com/products/catalyst/linux.html#4> > released. One would have to check which chipsets before buying. Most Linux'ers do check for compatibility but one cannot expect the average end user to break their head on such issues. For clients (office desktops), I suggest hardware that has the most "out of box" drivers in the current Linux distros, not something that will have support in the future. IMO, Intel chipsets have an edge over AMD. > Afaik only newer mobos not yet available in India (for desktops) have > these chipsets. But then who needs 3d on a server. Great, the latest GPUs from AMD will have "out of box" 3D drivers (full functionality compared to windows drivers) in the Linux distros released in the future but the poor souls who have earlier ATI/AMD GPUs still have to deal with prop. drivers. Perhaps this is OK for a onezy or twozy desktops but to support several desktops this could be a nightmare. Agree, don't need 3d on servers (even for MS Windows server edition) but it is the mobo manufacturers who are putting it - maybe the incremental cost between a generic and a 3d chipset is marginal at their volumes. > While everyone would like 3D now, it would be a little longer with X, Now - yes, absolutely. For Linux to grow on the desktop segment, this is a must. I have demo'd compiz-fusion @ colleges, to fellow passengers on flights and trains and they have been wowed. At least, those individuals are now aware of a Linux desktop. > given that this is the first time that 3d engine specs have been > released at all. First time by AMD - their competitor has an edge on this. Case history - 2 months ago a friend bought a high end Sony VAIO notebook (intel chip set) - installed Debian and everything worked out of the box (3D, Webcam, WiFi, card reader, bluetooth) - he is a happy camper. His earlier notebook (mobo crashed) was AMD64 with SiS chipset (no 3d support at all) and he had to use ndiswrapper to get his WiFi working. For the new purchase, the competitive notebooks with AMD Turion either had ATI or NVidia GPUs requiring prop. drivers for 3D. I evaluate the best "out of box" driver support be it AMD or Intel and go with it. -- Arun Khan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
by Arun Khan 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

On Thursday 20 Mar 2008, linuxers-request(a)mm.glug-bom.org wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:18:11 +0530 > From: jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards ...... snip ..... > > AMD is any day a better bet as far as drivers go. They have opened > the specs to the cpu, chipset and the 3d graphics engine as well. > Only a matter of time before you have full 3d support on all AMD > chipsets. ...... snip ..... It has been about a year+ (?) since AMD acquired ATI, and we still have "prop." drivers for the ATI chips. About 18 months ago, when I was researching Linux compatibility for a notebook purchase. Intel chipset based models were the best bet. All major Linux distros - everything worked out of the box (WiFi, 3D graphics). Whereas on a HP AMD Turion notebook of same vintage (ATI chipset), even today I have to opt for downloading prop. drivers to get full 3D. For the majority of end users (open to embrace Linux) should we tell them to wait or get something that works today? -- Arun Khan

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Your Industry profile
by agnello george 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

Hi, I started your industry profile on Orglex by adding you as my contact and joined Management Consulting, Commercial Banks, Mobile Operators, Magazines, Social Networking, Software Testing Hubs. Orglex delivers relevant news, information, networking and jobs within your Industry Hubs. The more industry contacts and influence you have, the better your access to industry recruiters, jobs and business opportunities. Click on the below link to accept my Invitation and increase both your Industry connections and influence. [1]http://www.orglex.com/joinhubs/3508f0afb5c384e39f0f/ Thanks References 1. http://www.orglex.com/joinhubs/3508f0afb5c384e39f0f/

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[ Cross Post ] Google Summer of Code '08
by Pradeepto Bhattacharya 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Hi, Its time for Google Summer of Code '08. Many of you are already following it. But just a reminder and a friendly poke incase you forgot all about it. Of course, KDE will be there like previous years. Check [1] for more details. As a student, all you need is some enthusiasm, willingness to contribute to KDE and Free Software in general. Knowledge of C++ is almost taken for granted in KDE GSoC. Knowledge of Qt/KDE/PyQt framework and programming is a definite ( huge ) plus. If you are already a contributing code to some KDE application, firstly you r0ck, nextly you did yourself a huge favour and have HUGE PLUS-PLUS :). It also works if you have been sending in patches regularly. So if you are one of them, DO submit a proposal. There is a nice *idea* page on the KDE techbase page [2]. Feel free to browse through that and find something that you like or you might be able to pull off. *Strong recommendation* - Please be creative and write your own project proposal. Nothing impresses mentors more than your own enthusiasm to do something uber cool for the project. It is million times better if you write your own project proposal - may be even your own idea that is not there in the idea page which you think might be a cool feature / addition to KDE - instead of copying something from the idea page. Its a idea page after all and not a proposal template page ;). Please read [3] about certain instructions of participations in KDE GSoC. I repeat, please read [3] before applying. It is very detailed and will mostly answer a lot of your questions and will help you frame your proposal in much better way. Last year KDE GSoC participation [4] [5] was really wonderful. It got 40 projects sanctioned by Google which probably was the largest allocation among all the participating projects. There were 213 proposals submitted to Google and 40 were allocated. 3 of those 40 students were Indians, you have ask them about their experiences. I am very sure that they have good things to talk about the same. Since I have met Piyush and Sharan many times in recent past after the SoC '07, I know for sure that they ( and Anirrudh, the third guy ) loved the whole experience and had a blast. Looking forward to your proposal. Good luck. [1]http://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/about.html [2]http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/Summer_of_Code/2008/Ideas [3]http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/Summer_of_Code/2008/Part… [4]http://dot.kde.org/1176336589/ [5]http://code.google.com/soc/2007/kde/about.html Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://in.kde.org Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india

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[OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
by Rony 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Hello All, If anyone of you is planning to buy a system or a new motherboard then avoid Intel original ones like plague. They take more than a month to simply pick up boards in warranty and their communication channels are pathetic. My colleagues and I have some warranty boards lying with us for more than a month and they have yet to be picked up by Intel. Their service is too bad. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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FLOSS in schools... a syllabi for the Third Standard (eight/nine-year-old) student from India
by Frederick Noronha [फ़र ेदरिक नोर ोनया] 18 Mar '08

18 Mar '08

Free software in schools. Download this from here http://www.divshare.com/download/4053521-61e From Farida Umrani <mailtofarida(a)gmail.com> I am working with Prof. Sridhar Iyer at Dept of Computer Science, IIT Bombay on content development for school computer science based on Edubuntu . We will have the content for elementary class ready in 2008. I am sending you a draft of a textbook for class I (the file is bulky; hence split and send in two mails). [DOWNLOAD FROM URL ABOVE] At present, I am implementing this curriculum in one of the pilot schools. We have included Scratch as a programming language for students in Grade 3 & 4. Currently we are focusing on elementary classes and plan to scale it up in the next academic year. We are facing difficulties in getting the teachers familiar with open source. Most schools do not have a system administrator or even a regular Internet connection to get the regular updates and prefer an installable CD that gives them everything. But to a windows user, this does not appear intuitive and hence they are put off by it. I wanted to know about your experience with Goa schools? I have read that GCSP trained engineering students and teachers. Did these students help the local schools? We announced a training program for school teachers, but got poor response and therefore deferred it. Did you face similar problems? How did you deal with them? I myself have a Psychology background... and it has taken me several hours of work and reading up the forums to understand the installation and getting all the dependencies right. However, what is encouraging is that students have received the open source applications very well. I hope to learn from your experience at Goa. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Ym/Gmailtalk: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | fred(a)bytesforall.org Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9970157402 ----------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LIG] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality
by Debarshi Ray 18 Mar '08

18 Mar '08

> As for using Ubuntu on a server, I concur with other posts. Ditto for > the "community" versions sponsored by the commercial linux distros. Leaving aside Ubuntu, what other distributions are you (that can be anyone on this list) referring to? Specific bug reports, Bugzilla or GNATS entries? Cheers, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LIG] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality
by Arun Khan 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

On Monday 17 Mar 2008, linuxers-request(a)mm.glug-bom.org wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:05:30 +0530 > From: Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LIG] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality .... snip ... > I have used Ubuntu's many versions, from 5.10 onwards and they do > whats expected of them. I hardly update them and if so, just after > the installation, when the system is still fresh and not customized. > Another way is to keep the net running so the latest packages get > installed during the main installation itself. After that the door is > closed for further updates. I never upgrade a distro. I prefer to > clean install a newer version if necessary. .... snip ... The above philosophy may work for a desktop setup in a "closed" LAN. For a server visible on the 'Net this is not an option. If it is running a service that needs to be patched with a security fix - it needs to be patched. Otherwise face the consequences of a compromised box. As for using Ubuntu on a server, I concur with other posts. Ditto for the "community" versions sponsored by the commercial linux distros. -- Arun Khan

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[COMMERCIAL][JOB] JAVA / Perl Engineers, Programmers
by Krupa 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

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[LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality Control
by Raj Mathur 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

First thing yesterday morning: urgent IM message from Suresh Ramasubramanian (hoster of this mailing list): Mailman is down, can you help? OK, so we start investigating his box. He has upgraded Python2.4 to Python2.5, and applied a Mailman security patch package. However, whenever we try to access the page, the server barfs. On to server logs -- syntax error in one of the Mailman support files. Right, I can understand an upgrade causing logical errors, but a SYNTAX ERROR!??!? Nah, I must be missing something, so I look all over the 2 upgrades. Switch back to Python2.4 from Python2.5, no joy. Recompile all the Mailman files from scratch, no joy. Recompile the Ubuntu Mailman package from source and reinstall it, no joy. Bang head against wall, no joy. Finally, desperate, I start comparing Mailman files on Suresh' server against Mailman installed on other servers. While they are different versions of Mailman, I do notice one anomaly: where one file has: mlist.subject_prefix = Utils.canonstr( val, mlist.preferred_language) <- *** Note this line *** elif property == 'info': Suresh' server has: mlist.subject_prefix = Utils.canonstr( elif property == 'info': Saying, `no, no, it can't be!' I insert the missing line into the file on the broken machine, cross fingers, eyes, legs, etc and restart Mailman. It works! [Shift to today] Ubuntu issues a security notice that says, in effect, ``We screwed up with the previous Mailman patch, so here's the latest and greatest version of Mailman, and this one really, Really, REALLY works! Believe us!''. I don't believe them. In the past 6 months Ubuntu has issues 80 new security advisories. For those 80 advisories, they have issued no less than SEVEN regressions (a regression is a patch to fix a broken patch). A near-10% regression rate sends only one message to me -- we can't be bothered with doing any quality control before we release packages. Before Ubuntu came onto the scene, I didn't even /know/ what a regression was. Today it's a common word in my lexicon, because of Ubuntu's pathetic testing and quality control process (or lack of process, more likely). An operating system vendor who issues a package with a syntax error (so that the package doesn't even start up, leave alone do something wrong), is a pure crap snake oil vendor in my book. So, the question: will I trust Ubuntu on an Internet-connected system? Nah. Will I trust Ubuntu on a server? Er, please excuse me while I finishing laughing hysterically! Use Debian or CentOS or any of those reasonably tested other distributions for your boxes, and when someone asks you to use Ubuntu, in the immortal words of Fancy Raygun, ``Just Say No!''. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology & Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves

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script to start process automatically
by Agnello George 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

i am trying to write a script on my *test machine *to check if the process are running , and if they are not need to start them any idea why this is not working ?? #!/bin/sh -x SERVICES= `ls -la /etc/init.d/ |awk '{print $9 }' |sed -e 's/[^[:alnum:]]//g'` for i in $SERVICES do if [ $(ps -aux|grep -v grep |grep $i |wc -l) != 0 ]; then . /etc/init.d/$i start else echo " the service $i is running " fi done -- Regards Agnello Dsouza

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LIG] [ilugd] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality Control
by Raj Mathur 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

On Sunday 16 Mar 2008, Justin Moore wrote: > Why are you using Ubuntu for production servers? Look how many major > releases they have had vs. Debian, or RHEL. They push out the latest > version of the software as fast as possible because that is what > their user base wants. That's why I use Ubuntu on my desktops. But > they can't possibly keep the same quality control on such a release > cyle. For production servers I use Debian, except when a client > requires enterprise support, then I use RHEL. I suggest the same. It's possible that Ubuntu isn't meant to be a server distribution (but in that case they shouldn't have a Ubuntu server version). Regardless, it is completely irresponsible to make a package available for download that did not get even one command's worth of testing after packaging. A simple /etc/init.d/mailman restart after installing the new package would have shown that mailman wasn't working. Please note that this is not some error condition that only surfaces under some weird combination of environments or events. Whatever your hardware or software configuration, whatever applications you are running, whatever network connectivity (or lack) you have, merely starting up the newly-installed mailman would have failed. Whether desktop or server, a distribution that permits the release of an Internet-service package without even that one, basic command is broken beyond repair IMNSHO. Ubuntu needs to make a package testing and release policy real quick. The next time it could be a security patch to Firefox that gets messed up, and then we'll have millions of cracked Ubuntu systems merrily spamming away. Before something like that happens, it would be better if Ubuntu just withdrew gracefully from the list of Linux distributions. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology & Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves

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GSoC GNU project
by Nagarjuna G. 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

GNU is participating again in the GSoC project. we encourage free software hackers to consider contributing and spending this summer mentoring or joining this event this summer. project ideas are listed at: http://www.gnu.org/software/soc-projects/ideas.html -- Nagarjuna G. http://www.gnowledge.org/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] .. Re: .. linux boot process query
by jtd 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

On Friday 14 March 2008 11:56 pm, Agnello George wrote: > > Grub is almost an os with a shell and fs reader. once stage2 is > > loaded it can recognise partitions and most filesystems. > > So let me guess when we install linux we have the follow in the > partition table > > in hd0 > we have > / > /boot > swap > > and hd1 > we have > / > /boot > swap > > and in hd0 we have the grub.conf file located in > /boot/grub/grub.conf > > and in hd1 we have the grub.conf file located in > /boot/grub/grub.conf > > so ultimately which conf file is read ?? only the grub.conf from the grub root partition you specified when installing grub, which is different from your distro root partition. eg. at the grub shell you do root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) this will setup grub in hd0 mbr and read menu.lst (the default grub menu file) from hd0,0/boot/grub/menu.lst, in which you will have entries like root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 yak yak #kernel from /dev/hda1 boot root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 yak yak # kernel from /dev/hda2/ boot root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-latest root=/dev/hda2 #kernel from /dev/hda1 with root file system from hda2. u better have all modules compiled in or a copy of (/dev/hda1)/lib/2.xx.yy/ in (/dev/hda2)/lib And ofcourse you can boot any combo of disks n partitions from the grub shell -- Rgds JTD

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[OT] Vista Simplified
by Rony 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

Hello All, Read the interesting article on Vista. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=TOIM&login=default&… Click on broadband and navigate to page 25 -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] .. linux boot process query
by jtd 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

On Friday 14 March 2008 07:15 pm, Agnello George wrote: > > now suppose i have Two OS install -- debian Etch and the centos > ...and grub is the default boot loader ( and grub file is located > in /etc/grub.conf ..which has instruction / menu screen for booting > the various OS ) but i don't seem to understand one thing - How is > /etc/grub.conf made available to the boot loader even before a OS > is selected ( explanation not very clear in the article ) Grub is almost an os with a shell and fs reader. once stage2 is loaded it can recognise partitions and most filesystems. > > -- > Regards > Agnello Dsouza > www.linux-vashi.blogspot.com -- Rgds JTD

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linux boot process query
by Agnello George 14 Mar '08

14 Mar '08

Hi I was just Reading the article from http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/linux_hlbootproc.html in the article before the system can boot the BIOS detect the first available IDE device, on this device is the MBR which contain the boot loader and partition tables now suppose i have Two OS install -- debian Etch and the centos ...and grub is the default boot loader ( and grub file is located in /etc/grub.conf ..which has instruction / menu screen for booting the various OS ) but i don't seem to understand one thing - How is /etc/grub.conf made available to the boot loader even before a OS is selected ( explanation not very clear in the article ) -- Regards Agnello Dsouza www.linux-vashi.blogspot.com

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[OT] Vista Simplified
by Rony 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

Hello All, Read the interesting article on Vista. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=TOIM&login=default&… -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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unknow ip addresses in squid.log
by Agnello George 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

I have configured a squid server that allows a IP range of 192.168.0.XX to surf the internet , but in the logs i see a lot of public IP address, how is this possibly happening ???? Bellow is the logs !!! ##################################################################################### 1205406926.776 255 192.168.0.101 TCP_MISS/200 438 GET http://mail.google.com/mail/images/cleardot.gif? - DIRECT/209.85.153.83 image/gif 1205406926.780 6 219.254.32.113 TCP_DENIED/403 4197 CONNECT 203.141.160.33:25 - NONE/- text/html 1205406926.812 1680 124.115.0.175 TCP_MISS/200 21162 GET http://www.soso.com/q? - DIRECT/60.28.232.146 text/html 1205406926.900 575 89.149.242.226 TCP_MISS/200 894 POST http://www.glookle.com/usr/proxy/checker5/check.php - DIRECT/89.149.242.226 text/html 1205406927.017 852 71.228.204.50 TCP_MISS/999 5104 GET http://n2.login.scd.yahoo.com/config/pwtoken_get? - DIRECT/209.73.168.34 text/html 1205406927.063 868 84.187.189.180 TCP_MISS/302 381 HEAD http://cl-erotic.com/members/ - DIRECT/78.108.179.136 text/html 1205406927.075 0 222.233.52.156 TCP_DENIED/403 4197 CONNECT 65.54.244.40:25 - NONE/- text/html 1205406927.079 3783 217.126.54.234 TCP_MISS/200 279 CONNECT login.icq.com:443 - DIRECT/64.12.200.89 - 1205406927.093 18 221.139.1.162 TCP_DENIED/403 4197 CONNECT 202.108.5.253:25 - NONE/- text/html 1205406927.128 314 192.168.0.101 TCP_MISS/200 353 POST http://mail.google.com/mail/? - DIRECT/209.85.153.83 text/html 1205406927.169 17 221.139.1.162 TCP_DENIED/403 4197 CONNECT 202.18.170.10:25 - NONE/- text/html 1205406927.196 575 192.168.0.170 TCP_MISS/200 462 GET http://livehelp.qualispace.com/pull/requests.php? - DIRECT/67.15.197.19 text/html 1205406927.249 572 192.168.0.73 TCP_MISS/200 367 GET http://livehelp.qualispace.com/image_tracker.php? - DIRECT/67.15.197.19 image/gif ############################################################################################## can some one help me with this Agnello

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[OT]: Old Hardware recycling
by Roshan 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

All, I have an old CD-ROM and a non-functional CD-Writer, which fails invariably and tends to freeze my system randomly. Are there locations in Mumbai, which recycle this ? Or could it be put to some other good use (the motor for rotating the wheels of a robot car?) Similarly, I have a few CDs which cannot be used any longer. (few old Ubuntu CDs). How can they be recycled, if they can be at all. A few months ago, I did search for a few on justdial dot com and queried them over email (since they listed it). However, I haven't got any response from anyone, hence the query to the list. This has nothing to do with FOSS, but I hope, I haven't digressed too far.

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squid : unable to browse few sites
by Agnello George 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

HI I have a squid server at my work place which i maintain, i really have not issues with it except withe following few sites. I try to access these sites through the maxthon or IE browser but i am unable to browse . There is no error on the sqid server logs. Do i need to flush the cache to resolve this issue . All other sites i am able to browse. http://90.supersite.myorderbox.com http://90.partnersite.myorderbox.com http://95.partnersite.myorderbox.com http://95.supersite.myorderbox.com does any one have any idea why ? <http://www.dotster.com/> thanks !! :-) -- Regards Agnello Dsouza www.linux-vashi.blogspot.com www.bible-study-india.blogspot.com

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[Cross post] custom Ubuntu for Dell notebooks
by Arun Khan 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

FWIW, custom Ubuntu iso for Dell notebooks. http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.10 -- Arun Khan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linuxers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 4
by Fitzerald sylvester 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

hi guys, any web promotion tricks using free software gnu/linux ? warm regards F.J.Sylvester -- F.J.Sylvester ---------------------------------------------------- Connect Computer Service Cellular Phone : 9860165647 Use GNU / Linux System ---------------------------------------------------------

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