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RE: is this foss?
by Vimal Joseph 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >an interesting discussion took place on IRC today regarding this: >http://www.space-kerala.org/downloads/foss.pdf sorry to head into this discussion a bit late. >The question was, with regard to #2 on the list - software developed >by keltron, is it foss or not? First, this book focus on the successful projects based on Free Software, implemented by the government/public sector organizations in Kerala. It is to show case the fact that FOSS is not just in theory, but successfully used by many organizations, especially in govt. sector. So It will help convince decision makers to go for Free Software. It also include an article by FSF India, to educate them why we should use Free Software. >My contention is that the tools used >are irrelevant. The software was paid for by the government, and >developed by the government, all using our tax rupees. I also agree with you completely. The draft IT Policy of Kerala Govt. says exactly the same. (http://itforum.kerala.gov.in/) <quote> 8.4 The Government is of the view that knowledge generated through public funding should be freely available to the public. Facilities will be developed to ensure the same. </quote> So we hope that in future all govt./public enterprises in Kerala will follow it. >But there is >no indication whether the source for the application is open or not, >available to the users or not, modifiable, downloadable or >redistributable or not. Therefore this is not f/oss as it goes >against the fundamental notion that software should be freely >available, downloadable, modifiable and redistributable with or >without modifications. All software mentioned in the book are custom made software for specific purpose of the different govt./public sector organizations. There is not much need to make those software distributable or made available to public. As those software are not public utility software. But all software mentioned in the book are made with Free Software and will work on a Free Software platform. So the organizations using those software need not go for proprietary platform to run the software. <quote> Richard M. Stallman (http://fsfeurope.org/documents/rms-fs-2006-03-09.en.html) Please note that the majority of software, nearly all software, is neither free nor proprietary, it is custom software developed for one particular user. If that one particular user has all these freedoms, say, if that user has the full rights to the software, then you might say in a trivial sense that it's Free Software. There's only one user and that user is free. No user has been subjugated; no one is being mistreated in this way. Of course there are always other ethical issues that might enter the situation. There are many ethical issues in life, but in this one particular ethical issue, at least in that case, nothing wrong is being done. </quote> >I was further of the opinion that the authors >of the PDF in question have tried to give an impression that free >software is flourishing in the state. It is a universal truth that Free Software is flourishing in Kerala. No one can Deny the fact. In Kerala, most of the population have some idea what Free Software (swathantra software) is. Here all Govt./Aided high schools use "Free Software", Most of the teachers and students know the evil of proprietary softwares. Also Govt. of Kerala with its IT Policy (http://itforum.kerala.gov.in) gave full support to Free Software. >However the free software guru with whom I was debating >seemed to thing that this did not fall under the definition of >proprietary software. Opinions anyone? As I quoted before, from a speech of RMS, the software mentioned in this book are neither proprietary nor free software, they are all custom software made using Free Software tools. The book is released before the Kerala Govt. published its draft of IT Policy. And in the policy it is clearly stated that all knowledge generated through public funding should be freely available to the public. So I hope in near future, all the software mentioned in the book may change its status from custom software to Free Software. And other states and countries will follow the model set by Kerala. regards, ~vimal

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Fwd: [foss.in] Open Source Camp Mumbai
by Roshan 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

-- vineetag_1999 wrote: > Date: 15 Mar 2007 20:24:19 -0700 > To: foss-in(a)yahoogroups.com > From: "vineetag_1999" <vineet(a)value-one.com> > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:26:08 -0000 > Subject: [foss.in] Open Source Camp Mumbai > > Hi All > > Open Source UnConference (BarCamp) is being > organized in Mumbai on 24 > March 2007. Come over for intense sessions on open > source and great > networking opportunity. No marketing talks, only > hardcore techie stuff!!! > > If you are going to be speaker or participating add > your name on the > wiki at http://barcamp.org/OssBarCampMumbai > > Regards > > Vineet Agrawal > http://www.osscube.com -- FSF of India Associate Fellow http://www.gnu.org.in GNU/Linux is an operating system, alternative to Windows __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help:LPI examination
by Sameer Niphadkar 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 laxxi25 wrote : > >Hi, > >I want to give the LPI exams.Could anyone please tell me how do i go about giving this exam.Where are the exam centers in Mumbai.How do i prepare for the exams etc.. > LPI is a vendor independant exam, testing core linux sys-admin and networking skills. It has 3 levels junior, senior and expert with 2 tests per level. So u need to give 6 tests to be an expert, nevertheless the 1st 4 tests are equivalent to a RHCE. I hardly know anyone who has given all the 6 tests. In Mumbai there are few training centers at Andheri which offer LPI prep, the best way to get in touch with them is to contact Onward Novell at MIDC where these exams are conducted. You may google for more info of LPI and its prep material - and if you have some prior experience with Linux you can very well prepare on your own. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Automate_Linux_and_UNIX_using_shells_and_scripti… The above link may be a good place to start. All the best rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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KDE Google Summer of Code
by Pradeepto Bhattacharya 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

Hi folks, I am sure Google Summer of Code is nothing new to most of you people. So we have GSoC '07 even. And like previous years, even this year The KDE Project will be an mentor organisation. Some of you might have seen the dot[1] news. So I would really urge the students on the list who are familiar with C++ and Qt/KDE development to take part in SoC. So send in your proposals. Its a great way to learn new stuff and become a part of a FOSS project. Here are a few pointers [2] and [3]. Please note that [3] is a list of ideas that various mentors have put in. They are not the only ideas. You can come up with your own - say for your favourite KDE application - and recommend the same to the maintainer/author of that application. See what he/she says and work on the idea and put forth an proposal to google. If the mentors like your proposal and it gets selected nothing better than that. Go ahead and do some cool stuff. Now here's some simple points that I have realised from my last year's experience : While putting forth an proposal, don't be lazy and just cut/copy/paste what the mentor has already posted on [3]. Be original and explain what exactly you would like to do, how etc. Now if there are students on this list who think that they are not good in C++/Qt yet, especially the ones in 1st and 2nd year, fret not. You have an year or two to learn the same and work on it. And most importantly getting involved in FOSS - in this case Qt/KDE development doesnot need a SoC even. Just fix a bug or whatever - I am sure you know the drill or have heard it countless times. There is loads of source lying around, pick it up and get going. And trust me, your chances increase manifold if you already are an contributor. Because the mentors know that you can do stuff. Although that means nothing, last year I saw many students who were new and did an awesome job and some of them kept going on and are now actually contributing to various KDE projects. Good luck to all of you. [1]http://dot.kde.org/1173949256/ [2]http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Summer_of_Code/2007/Participation [3]http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Summer_of_Code/2007/Ideas [4]http://code.google.com/soc/student_step1.html Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://in.kde.org Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Python Queries
by Sameer Niphadkar 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 Sameer Niphadkar wrote : >On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 Nikhil Marathe wrote : > >> > >>1) How does one get the exact value of an element down a tree like say : > >> <abc><xyz><pqr>100</pqr></xyz></abc> > >> > >> So in the above case say the value 100, though it could be a >>string >>as well. We require the exact value, not its representation >>in XML or >>ASCII value as explained by you in some books. > > > > > >You could get the node's value and pass it to python's eval >function. Since eval returns the parsed python expression it will >give a logical return value like 100 as an int and abcd as a string > > >Rigth now we are importing minidom lib and trying to parse it by element names like : > > reflist = xmldoc.getElementsByTagName("pqr") #For the case above > ref = reflist[0] > >Just as u mentioned..the node value. So do we need to pass reflist[0] i.e the 1st child here to the eval function ? Also could you please elaborate on this function. Actually this is what we were looking fwd to : #This is also true of re.split: >>> splitter = re.compile('<.>') >> splitter.split('hi<a>there<b>from<c>python') ['hi', 'there', 'from', 'python'] 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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suggestions/improvements on script maintaining persistent net connection
by Rohit V Bhute 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

Hello. I've put together a few commands in a Perl script that does two things: 1. Tries to maintain a steady net connection (using PPPoE) 2. Resumes a download if it was interrupted because of a break in the net connection. I am attaching the script here; any suggestions to make it more robust and generalized would be helpful. The wrapping makes it harder to read though. <script> #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; # variables my $ppp0 = ''; my $pppd = ''; my $wget = ''; my $url = "http://ftp.science.nus.edu.sg/linux/ubuntu-ISO/edgy/ubuntu-6.10-alternate-a…"; my $iso = "/home/rohit/download/iso/ubuntu-6.10-alternate-amd64.iso"; while (1) { # check for ppp0 $ppp0 = `/sbin/ifconfig | /bin/grep ppp0`; if ($ppp0 =~ /^ppp0/) { # Connection exists. # if ppp0 was down earlier, maybe our download got interrupted? $wget = `/bin/ps cax | /bin/grep wget`; unless ($wget =~ /wget/) { system("/usr/bin/wget -q -c $url -O $iso &"); } next; } # check for pppd $pppd = `/bin/ps cax | /bin/grep pppd`; if ($pppd =~ /pppd/) { next; # pppd is trying to get ppp0 up!! } # uh oh! we need to kill pppd # and launch the connection again system ("/usr/bin/killall -9 pppd"); system ("/usr/bin/pon dsl-provider"); #print "\a"; # remove this if the script works!! system ("sleep 60"); # Wait for 60 seconds } # end of script </script> Feedback appreciated. -- Rohit V. Bhute http://blog.rvbhute.org

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Linux survey for Dell notebooks and desktops
by Arun K. Khan 14 Mar '07

14 Mar '07

FWIW, Linux survey for Dell notebooks and desktops http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey -- Arun K. Khan <knura(a)yahoo.com>

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Python Queries
by Sameer Niphadkar 14 Mar '07

14 Mar '07

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 Nikhil Marathe wrote : >> >>1) How does one get the exact value of an element down a tree like say : >> <abc><xyz><pqr>100</pqr></xyz></abc> >> >> So in the above case say the value 100, though it could be a >>string >>as well. We require the exact value, not its representation >>in XML or >>ASCII value as explained by you in some books. > > >You could get the node's value and pass it to python's eval >function. Since eval returns the parsed python expression it will >give a logical return value like 100 as an int and abcd as a string > Rigth now we are importing minidom lib and trying to parse it by element names like : reflist = xmldoc.getElementsByTagName("pqr") #For the case above ref = reflist[0] Just as u mentioned..the node value. So do we need to pass reflist[0] i.e the 1st child here to the eval function ? Also could you please elaborate on this function. >>3) Is there any way in which one can change the tag names or >>incorporate new elements ? > > >I am not that familiar with minidom but you can always copy all the >nodes attributes and children and remove the node and add another. >You should check the python library reference for the >xml.dom.minidompackage. Thnx, yes we are going thru the mindom, but is there a method available in this case ? >4) We are thinking about using QT for creating our frontend, how does >>python integrate with it ? If you could suggest any other GUI >>Designer for python then it would be great. > > >Qt and Python have very good interoperability due to the PyQt >bindings. In addition the pyuic tool can convert the .ui files >generated by Qt Designer to Python code.Sorry I couldn't provide >links, but I am really sleepy right now :D > > Np, but we just need to bind our script with QT, so I guess we may only need PyQT..am I right ? Thnks a lot for all the pointers though. rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Python Queries
by Sameer Niphadkar 14 Mar '07

14 Mar '07

Hi ppl, We are developing an open source project for fun as well as a for learning. To give you a brief idea of our project - its a client server application installer on XML as the repository and python is used for parsing and searching for elements. You may find the details here : http://code.google.com/p/ulair Now, though I went through the working and parsing of XML in various Python ref material, but I just had a few queries like : 1) How does one get the exact value of an element down a tree like say : <abc><xyz><pqr>100</pqr></xyz></abc> So in the above case say the value 100, though it could be a string as well. We require the exact value, not its representation in XML or ASCII value as explained by you in some books. 2) Is there any efficient way of searching for elements in a huge XML tree in python ? 3) Is there any way in which one can change the tag names or incorporate new elements ? 4) We are thinking about using QT for creating our frontend, how does python integrate with it ? If you could suggest any other GUI Designer for python then it would be great. I know some of these questions are ignorant. However it would be a great help if you could give us some insight by answering them or pointing us to some other refrences. If you would like to know anything more about our project then please do let me know. Thank you so much once again. rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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[OT] Need Info on Web Hosting Service Provider
by Joel A Divekar 14 Mar '07

14 Mar '07

Hi AllI have a perl application which is actively being developed and managed by me since 2001.This application is used many shipping firms and I sell this software at very nominal one time cost. I provide free update / upgrade and support for this software. I am doing this to give back to the shipping community, which at one point helped me to stand back on my feets.I am currently working for a software firm and have to travel extensively in India and outside India and it become difficult for me to provide onsite / telephonic support. To resolve this problem I am thinking of making this a webbased application.Here I need help on following queriesa) Can anybody guide me with reliable gnu/linux based web hosting service provider who can support     perl / php / ruby / python and template engine like Catalyst / Smarty / Ruby on Rail / Cheetah.     With DB like postgresql. Also note I have very limited budget to work with.   b) Can anybody suggest programming language & templating engine for faster development    and easy maintainancePlease I dont want this to be a flame war or something. And please do not provide damaging information about any service provider. I would like this thread to be very informative to me aswell as gnu/linux community Thanks.RegardsJoel+91 9867572484

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