Linuxers May 2006

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Re: COMING SOON! The Code Breakers - A BBC World Documentary on Free/Open Source Software and Development
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 09 May '06

09 May '06

> According to Jonathan Murray of Microsoft "The Open Source > community stimulates innovation in software, it's something > that frankly we feel very good about and it's something that > we absolutely see as being a partnership with Microsoft." Can anybody verify that Jonathan Murray did say that beyond any doubt? Not that I doubt it, but I have a friend who works in Microsoft and I can not wait to tell him about this. Regards, Debarshi

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[Fw: Important : RMS mistreated during ATI protest]
by Anurag 09 May '06

09 May '06

Forwarding mail from Vihan in verbatim.. Anurag Subject: Important : RMS mistreated during ATI protest Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:43:16 +0530 From: "Vihan Pandey" <vihanpandey(a)gmail.com> Return-path: <vihanpandey(a)gmail.com> To: "Anurag Patel" <anurag(a)gnu.org.in> Hi Anurag! Long time how have you been ? i wanted a favour. i wanted to send a mail on the ilug-bom mailing list but it got rejected because it was too big. It's an important mail if you could please send it across i would be very grateful. Regards, - vihan The mail : Hello everyone, i know its been a VERY long time since i last mailed, but here i am now - back again. This news is little over a month old and there may be those of you who may already know. However for those who don't please read this link : http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html ATI has consistently disregarded making their drivers and other software Free Software. Releasing a GNU/Linux driver for some video cards that too under proprietary terms is NOT the solution. This incident clearly proves that if we don't start taking our freedom seriously, Huxley's "Brave New World" is right around the corner. It also shows that it takes courage to d= o the right thing, stand up for what you believe in fight injustice in every way possible. i know this sounds clich=E9 but let's face it the way things = are going - companies(especially hardware one's) are becoming more and more restrictive regarding their products, as technology becomes more complex it will become harder and harder for hackers to figure out. There's no doubt that people will find walk around's or even break any restrictions imposed. But prevention IS better than cure, we have to take this issue at a social level and treat it seriously. The Free Software movement has been a beacon of inspiration in this light where other's have chosen to stay silent or less vocal. Nagrajuna's mail "OSS Philosophy Explained" makes absolute sense in this context. i saw the responses to it by the OSS community. Russ Nelson wrote that "Richard appeals to intellectuals by advocating for the concept of freedom. Intellectuals constitute a minority, say 10% of the population. We appeal to the majority by advocating for the value of freedom. The other 90% of the population whom Richard cannot reach will be convinced by the experience of freedom rather than the concept of freedom."(see : http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060424/025576.ht= ml). However understanding a concept is the 1st step actually realizing a truth. If you mearly "experience" without knowing or acknowledging you simply take things for granted and that is something what the majority of people actually do. The folly is when this happens, people don't care about that concept(in this case the concept being FREEDOM) and are happy in their "experience". However when the "experience" is lost or threatened by "Big Brother" they feel the pinch and thus it becomes important to educate and talk about it. Which is EXACTLY what the Free Software movement proactively does. Isn't it therefore prudent to start acknowledging the concept NOW rather than until its too late ? Michael Tiemann very eloquently wrote "The OSI chose to create a tent larger than the free software tent. We accepted non-free licenses because we wanted to give voice to people writing software and sharing source code who did so for reasons other than moral freedom. Is it wrong to accept works that strive for technical excellence independent of social agendas? As a scientist and an engineer (BS CSE, University of Pennsylvania 1986) I have to say no:the scientific method is, and must be independent from all moral frameworks. Does this make science immoral or amoral? Certainly there are those who apply or ignore science in immoral ways. But science itself is concerned with evidence and falsification, not morals. Open Source allows for software to be independent from freedom, while at the same time offering the kind of freedom that comes from independence" (see: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060424/025= 560.html ). True people do share code for reasons other moral ones, however the problem arises when society at large follows this trend then we tend to ignore the value of morals themselves - and the resulting society becomes a living embodiment of cayoss. i agree with the scientific method and approach of "evidence and falsification" but scientific method is a function of scientific conduct and more importantly of scientific ethics. These "moral" grounds are VERY clearly defined for study, research, experiment and process. Therefore are morals not a part of science altogether and wouldn't following them be consistent with scientific method ? Don't get me wrong, i have a lot of respect for many people in the Open Source community i also acknowledge they have given us a lot of great software and licensed it GPL. They have even brought GNU/Linux to a number of places, however i do not agree with their philosophy that ignorin= g the value system of freedom and morals for the sake of "catering to the masses" or "increasing user base" is the way to go. Going back to the original topic i think we ought send ATI a piece of our mind. i suggest each person send a mail to their Public Relations department. Its located here : http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/contact/index.html Goto the "Media Inquires" link. A basic truth about life is that if you want the right to be free you have to be willing to pay the price for it - what ever costs. History has taught us that. History has also taught us what happens when we forget about freedom, morals, ethics and their value systems. WE are responsible for the society we live in, therefore we also have to acknowledge the consequences of our actions when we choose to ignore something. If we want to live in a society that is free we have to respect that ideal. "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN(17th January, 1706 - 17th April, 1790)* *Regards, - vihan -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Re: BarCamp Mumbai
by Roshan 09 May '06

09 May '06

> BarCamp Mumbai is happening this Saturday at KReSIT > in IIT Mumbai. It's > a simple gathering of geeks to talk about geeky > stuff. Not restricted > to linux or foss, but I hope there's a good > representation from this > camp. The only prerequisite is that you don't sit > quietly in a corner. My university Exams are going on ...:(... But I have a three day break from 13 - 15th of May...wohoo! > BarCamp is about participation. Everyone needs to > either give a talk or > participate in a discussion. Just show up and write > down on the > whiteboard what you'd like to talk about/discuss. I am not pretty sure about my participation, but I think I can make an attempt to join! Can I speak something about CRM, using a PPT slide? Is a student allowed to do so? --------------------------------- If you don't know something, its always better to learn it and then experiment with components! PLAN THINGS BEFORE EXECUTION! Visit http://www.somaiya.edu You have the ability to change things so that they, not only benefit you but others as well, but you might resist to...think about it! The different distros of GNU/Linux pretty much resemble the different cultures of indians all having the same foundation (the kernel) Use OpenOffice.orgDownload it for windows from http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.0/ "Intentions are written with pencil.Commitments are carved on Stones!" - CLINT A. D'SOUZA __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com

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Coming soon! *The Code Breakers* (BBC)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 09 May '06

09 May '06

From: "Christine" <christine(a)apdip.net> Date: Mon May 8, 2006 3:49pm Subject: COMING SOON! The Code Breakers - A BBC World Documentary on Free/Open Source Software and Development COMING SOON! "The Code Breakers" A BBC World Documentary on Free/Open Source Software and Development http://www.apdip.net/news/fossdoc ========================================================================== The famous digital divide is getting wider. A two-part documentary, "The Code Breakers," to be aired on BBC World starting 10 May 2006 examines whether free/open source software (FOSS) might be the bridge? FOSS contains 'source code' that can be used, copied, studied, modified and redistributed without restriction. It has been around for over 20 years but most PC owners are not aware that the Internet search engines and many computer applications run on FOSS. "It's not that FOSS has had a bad press, it has had no press because there is no company that 'owns' it," says executive producer Robert Lamb. "But we found that in the computer industry and among the afficionados, it is well known and its virtues well understood." The crew of the independent producers who made the film went to nearly a dozen countries around the world to see how the adoption of FOSS presents opportunities for industry and capacity development, software piracy reduction, and localization and customization for diverse cultural and development needs. Stories from "The Code Breakers" include computer and Internet access for school children in Africa, reaching the poor in Brazil, tortoise breeding programmes in the Galapagos, connecting villages in Spain, and disaster management in Sri Lanka. The documentary also includes interviews from key figures around the world. Intel, IBM, Sun and Microsoft all seem to agree that FOSS is a welcome presence in computer software. According to Jonathan Murray of Microsoft "The Open Source community stimulates innovation in software, it's something that frankly we feel very good about and it's something that we absolutely see as being a partnership with Microsoft." BBC World will air the two-part documentary at the following times: Episode One Wednesday 10 May 19:30 GMT Thursday 11 May 09:30 GMT Friday 12 May 16:30 GMT Monday 15 May 01:30 and 07:30 GMT Episode Two Wednesday 17 May 19:30 GMT Thursday 18 May 09:30 GMT Friday 19 May 16:30 GMT Monday 22 May 01:30 and 07:30 GMT For local times, please lookup your country in the TV Listings on BBC World's website http://www.bbcworld.com/content/template_tvlistings.asp?pageid=668. The International Open Source Network (IOSN), UNDP Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme (UNDP-APDIP), International Development Research Centre of Canada and UNESCO have participated in the production of this documentary. Christine Apikul UNDP-APDIP

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[announce] BarCamp Mumbai
by Philip Tellis 08 May '06

08 May '06

BarCamp Mumbai is happening this Saturday at KReSIT in IIT Mumbai. It's a simple gathering of geeks to talk about geeky stuff. Not restricted to linux or foss, but I hope there's a good representation from this camp. The only prerequisite is that you don't sit quietly in a corner. BarCamp is about participation. Everyone needs to either give a talk or participate in a discussion. Just show up and write down on the whiteboard what you'd like to talk about/discuss. More details here: http://barcamp.org/BarCampMumbai See you there. Philip -- If they can make penicillin out of moldy bread, they can sure make something out of you. -- Muhammad Ali

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Reply to :- Hi, Has anyone succeeded in setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu or fedora?
by PenguinPuPPy 08 May '06

08 May '06

Well first of all I must tell you something about pacent if your friend has just gone for a new connection.Pacenet is one of the worst Companies (forget that its an ISP) i have ever seen in terms of Customer Service and can u believe that the situation was so frustrating that I actually had to meet the managing Director to solve my regular disconnection problems, even then the problem still persists.Well the list is actually very long and trust me the day MTNL starts giving an unlimited download for 24 hours ill rush to the nearest exchange.Now coming to your question well 1.) First of all you will need to call up pacenet and ask them for a Linux account(which initially they will not agree, and if they deny then please post it )well after that you should also ask for the DNS addresses cause they are required 2.) Now you will need to install Rpppoe RPM i.e (Roaring penguin point to point over ethernet) that's the protocol that ISP's use to give you a account. 3.) Now on the konsole type "adsl-setup" to setup your account 4.) Now to connect type "adsl-connect" and bingo open up firefox and enjoy !!!!!! -- To Love The Penguin(aka TUX) You Need To Be As Faithful As A Puppy

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Setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu
by Philip Tellis 08 May '06

08 May '06

Hi, Has anyone succeeded in setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu or fedora? A friend has pacenet set up on windows and she needs it set up on linux. She's not too familiar with the setup on windows or how to set it up on linux, but if anyone has ideas, I could explain it to her. This is in Andheri East if it helps. Philip -- It would seem that evil retreats when forcibly confronted. -- Yarnek of Excalbia, "The Savage Curtain", stardate 5906.5

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 37, Issue 14
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 08 May '06

08 May '06

>The PCQ Linux 2006 :-P linux distro has a version of 'wine' that runs >windows softwares directly from the fat32 partition instead of running >them within linux. > > >The advantage is that all the windows system files are available in the >windows folder. > >So if the user is using a dual boot system then she can get wine setup >to run the pacenet dialler on the mounted partition in linux. Never >tried it though. If it works, the same dialer and account can be used in >win and lin. Well wine wont help here because Pacenet dialer uses "rasdial" command in windows in its backend. This is not available in linux as far I know. So the dialer gave some weird registry errors last time I tried in wine. The only way to get online with Pacenet in linux is to get an "@linuxuser" account and use rp-pppoe. I have been using it for more than a year and it works flawlessly. Also I wanted to know one thing...24Online client uses pppoe or what? I mean do you get a global IP address when you connect from 24Online clients or is it LAN based like Sify.

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2 virtual hosts in apache2
by Arun K. Khan 08 May '06

08 May '06

Using SuSE 10.0, Apache 2.0.54. Looked through the Apache online manual on setting up virtual hosts and created a vhosts.conf file - mostly copy/paste from a template (see listing below). I have also set up bind on my LAN to resolve both "genesis" (IN A 192.168.1.65) and "linux-install" (IN CNAME genesis). I restarted apache and bind daemons after changes to their respective files. http://genesis works fine and shows index.html in "/home/www/html" but ... http://linux-install shows the same index.html as above instead of the directory listing of the Linux distribution tree I have installed @ /mnt/C. I have tried replacing * with IP# but same result. Defining "linux-install" as A record - same result. Any ideas/suggestions on could be missing in my setup? ================== begin vhosts.conf ================== NameVirtualHost *:80 <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName genesis.silverarc.biz ServerAdmin root@localhost DocumentRoot /home/www/html/ ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/genesis-error_log CustomLog /var/log/apache2/genesis-access_log combined HostnameLookups Off UseCanonicalName Off ServerSignature On <Directory "/home/www/html/"> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName linux-install.silverarc.biz ServerAdmin root@localhost DocumentRoot /mnt/C ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/linux-install-error_log CustomLog /var/log/apache2/linux-install-access_log combined HostnameLookups Off UseCanonicalName Off ServerSignature On <Directory "/mnt/C"> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> </VirtualHost> ================== end vhosts.conf ================== Thanks. -- Arun Khan Linux is like a wigwam - no gates, no windows, apache inside

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[off-topic]Openings - Riyadh
by mifthas haris 08 May '06

08 May '06

Hi We have a requirement for 3 exceptional candidates with the following qualification/skill sets. 1. MS/M Tech degree In Mechanical Engineering (Fluid Mechanics and Thermal Science) (2 nos.) 2. Programmers (C, C++ and fortran) (2 nos.) Compensation based on experience and skill. The positions available are in Riyadh, at a regional operation centre (ROC) viz., satellite earth station. Those interested may send their CV to mifthas(a)gulfxpert.com, not to the list. regards Mifthas Haris <mifthas(a)gulfxpert.com>

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