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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 45, Issue 109
by C.E. Hariharan 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rony <ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:49:50 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora Core 6, Core 2 Duo with DG965RYCK > motherboard > C.E. Hariharan wrote: > > Hi, > > Digressing from the topic,I would like to ask as to the difference > between > > Core2Duo processor with corresponding motherboard and PentiumD 2.80 Ghz > > Dual > > Core processor with Intel D101GGC motherboard in terms of computing > power > > and speed?Like, I asked the reseller for a core2 duo but he got confused > > and > > gave me the above processor.I am in a dilemma whether I should ask him > to > > exchange because one of my friends told me there's hardly any > > difference.Isthat true?What's your opinion? > > > > > > Core2 Duo that comes in 1.8 and 2.13 GHz. speeds with Intel original 965 > RYCK mobo is much more expensive than Dual Core with 102 GGC mobo. BTY, > did the dealer give you 101 or 102 GGC? 101 was phased out since six > months or maybe more. My Intel Express Installer Driver CD shows D101GGC.Is it that D102GGC also uses the same driver installer CD?

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 45, Issue 108
by C.E. Hariharan 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Dilip Khanolkar" <khanolkardilip(a)gmail.com> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:20:38 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora Core 6, Core 2 Duo with DG965RYCK > motherboard > On 1/22/07, C.E. Hariharan <easwarno1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Digressing from the topic,I would like to ask as to the difference > between > > Core2Duo processor with corresponding motherboard and PentiumD 2.80 Ghz > > Dual > > Core processor with Intel D101GGC motherboard in terms of computing > power > > and speed?Like, I asked the reseller for a core2 duo but he got confused > > and > > gave me the above processor.I am in a dilemma whether I should ask him > to > > exchange because one of my friends told me there's hardly any > > difference.Isthat true?What's your opinion? > > > do get it exchanged core2 duo is really good than pentium d well you as > per > my knowledge you will also need to change the mobo for that Ya,that's true,but what is the price difference for the board + Core 2 Duo v/s pentium D+D101GGC board?I have a friendly reseller coz i contacted him through a cousin who's a regular customer and bought an entire new PC from him!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Seek advice to quit Windows
by Debarshi Ray 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

You can try OpenSolaris too. Sun is going to release it under the GNU GPLv3, so alongwith GNU/Linux and *BSD, it is another free operating system. Cheerio, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora Core 6, Core 2 Duo with DG965RYCK motherboard
by C.E. Hariharan 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

Hi, Digressing from the topic,I would like to ask as to the difference between Core2Duo processor with corresponding motherboard and PentiumD 2.80 Ghz Dual Core processor with Intel D101GGC motherboard in terms of computing power and speed?Like, I asked the reseller for a core2 duo but he got confused and gave me the above processor.I am in a dilemma whether I should ask him to exchange because one of my friends told me there's hardly any difference.Isthat true?What's your opinion? Regards Easwar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Seek advice to quit Windows
by Debarshi Ray 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

> 1. I and other normal MIDDLE CLASS students did NOT have access to the > internet. > > 2. There were NO competent faculties around to guide us. > > 3. We had to use whatever WE HAD. Do not just crib about the above points. It was mostly the same with me too. > FYKI I got a decent access to the internet only about 5 years > ago. What is decent? How is it defined. If you are talking about a broadband connection, then I do not have one yet. > You might've been on the internet ever since its inception but we > mere mortals have not. One more presumption on your part. >> These are not clever hacks by any stretch of the imagination. I have >> not had the privilege to look at the code written by any of these >> companies, but I have never across such things in any project worth >> its name. K&R is quite categorical about discouraging such usages. > Yes, but it is the REQUIREMENT of the times. *sigh* > I have not come across a single place where YPK stresses the importance of using > such kind of constructs. All he shows the student is that IT IS POSSIBLE to do > such stuff with C. When you do not explicitly inform the reader that this particular technique is not good practice and compiler dependent, you are implicitly encouraging him/her to repeat and believe in such practice. Even Turbo C/C++ clearly documents which component of the C/C++ libraries are portable and ANSI compliant to what extent. > Buddy, you might've had CSE gurus all around you but most average #include <stdio.h> int main(void){ while(1) printf("presumptions\n"); return 0; } > So we have to go by what we can find and YPK's LUC is the > most visible book around. Few people have heard about K&R's books. Well > thats how the ground reality is. My goodness. You know about C. Not only that, you are so inclined to learn it that you go looking for books. However you never heard about the souls who wrote it. Even if that is true, it does not change the fact LUC leaves a lot to be desired. > And dont even get me started about what kind of students we have. They > cant even learn using books by themselves There is no need to get started. Not every one is capable of doing everything, and they should concentrate on doing what they can do best. > The 'normal' student doesnt understand how a compiler works. 99.9999% of > our engineers dont know what a compiler is written in. There is no > question of misleading anybody. The rest 0.0001% students are smart > enough to find the right way! Nonsense. Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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LUG Wiki availability
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

Hi, I've been facing problems with access to the Wiki recently. I normally try both domains - glug-bom.org and ilug-bom.org.in since often one of them opens and the other times out. Is anyone else facing the same problem as well? Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Seek advice to quit Windows
by Debarshi Ray 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

> I had bought it only to learn about DOS > routines for the mouse. Interrupt 33h I think There are other places where you can learn about interrupt 0x33, 8-bit colors, playing WAVs and displaying BMPs in TurboC, etc.. One of them is the Internet. > is a good one for beginners. And the reason YPK has "stressed" on those > notations i++ + ++i etc... is because any standard aptitude test paper > of any company will have these "clever" hacks in them which confuses the > normal student. These are not clever hacks by any stretch of the imagination. I have not had the privilege to look at the code written by any of these companies, but I have never across such things in any project worth its name. K&R is quite categorical about discouraging such usages. > Besides such examples help _normal_ students understand how exactly > these operators work. No they do not. The way these operators work is compiler dependent. eg., it is often said ++i is more efficient than i++ when one simply has to increment i. But there is no guarantee that it will be so in every compiler under the sun. Therefore they are simply misleading the 'normal' students. >> I started with Gottfried's book, and when I finally came to Let Us C, >> I found it sick. > No need for name calling. If you didn't like LUC, just state it. > Absolutely no need for name calling. Thats just what I did. Regards, Debarshi - After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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Re: Linux Asia 07 ?
by Vivek R 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

shouldnt it be "GNU/LINUX" Asia 07 ? i mean where is the credit to the community who developed the major portion of the entire thing ? ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

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Fedora Core 6, Core 2 Duo with DG965RYCK motherboard
by Dinesh Joshi 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

Hi, Today I installed Fedora Core 6 ( Respin ) on my Core 2 Duo system. The system's specs are: - Core 2 Duo E6400 Processor - DG965RYCK mobo - 512MB DDR2 @ 533MHz ( It should've been 1024MB but the other sticks not working ) - 80GB Seagate HDD No add on cards at all. Initial impressions: The system boots up really fast. The board is quite new so requires a bit of tweaking and playing around. The default FC6 kernel doesnt support the onboard PATA controller ( JMicron ). The problem: Since the kernel doesn't have the driver built in for the JMicron chip, the kernel boots from the CD but it doesn't find the installation media and asks for a driver disk or alternative installation methods. Solution: There are two solutions to this problem: - You can use a SATA or USB CD/DVD drive instead of a PATA - You can pass the following kernel parameters to get it going: pci=nommconfig irqpoll all-generic-ide For the first option to work correctly you should be installing on a SATA HDD. You also need to change some BIOS settings: Advanced -> Drive Settings -> SATA -> AHCI ( by default its IDE ) This should get the installer started normally. Install process: FC6 has a very intuitive installer. I selected several packages according to my needs: - GNOME - KDE - Development tools / libraries etc.. etc.. The complete install size was around 3.1GB. The system took about 15 mins flat to install everything and it was up. But one word of caution, Fedora Core's installer, Anaconda, will add only pci=nommconfig kernel option in grub.conf. You need to manually edit it and add all three options ( see above ) to get your system booting properly. After thoughts: You can try playing around with the options to suit your need. My installation was done on a PATA drive. If you have a SATA drive then it will be much easier since the kernel already has the driver for the SATA controller hence it wont complain plus it will boot up without the all-generic-ide option. If your install is on a SATA drive and you dont see your PATA CD/DVD/RW/ROM them you need to pass the all-generic-ide option. The drives will show up properly. One more problem that was evident after the install was random lockups with the default kernel. FC6 ( respin ) shipped with the 2.6.18 kernel. I simply upgraded it to the latest, 2.6.19 i believe, and the random lock ups went away. Even in this kernel I had to pass all three options for the system to work normally. For some, removing the irqpoll option may work. For me it didnt work. Xorg would come up but for some reason it kept on restarting. I had to reboot the system and manually add the irqpoll option after which the system was stable. I used the respin with the hopes that the updated installer kernel would not need any tweaking to get it started the steps remain the same for the official Fedora Core 6 release. The user experience on this is amazing. I used GNOME ( yes, I was a BIG KDE fan a while ago but now I am not ) with Compiz enabled ( System -> Preferences -> Desktop Effects -> Enable ). It rocks! I then installed beryl ( yum install beryl-gnome ) and its even slicker than compiz. For intel users its no problem but those with NVidia or ATI will need to get their proprietary drivers installed and configured first. It worked out of the box for me. Some stats: - GNOME with Beryl enabled with the system working as a http, ftp, mysql, etc.. etc.. server it consumed about 250MBs of RAM. - Install takes around 15 minutes to complete ( All 5 CDs required ) - Boot up hardly takes 15 seconds - System shows a bogomips of approximately 8400 ( both processors combined ) Hope this helps someone out there who is struggling to get Fedora Core installed on his/her Core 2 Duo system :P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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Re: LUG Wiki availability
by C.E. Hariharan 21 Jan '07

21 Jan '07

> > "Dilip Khanolkar" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I've been facing problems with access to the Wiki recently. I normally > > try both domains - glug-bom.org and ilug-bom.org.in since often one of > > them opens and the other times out. Is anyone else facing the same > > problem as well? > > > >i am also facing the same problem none of the sites are opening > Same here as well as from Mohan SN. >

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