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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Old hardware...
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Jul '05

09 Jul '05

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 22:04, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > Hey dudes, > Actually, the BIOS on the board died. I got a new EEPROM IC (exact > specs), the BIOS image but unfortunately I dont have the programmer > to flash the BIOS. Your college lab should have one. Or get it flashed at Lamington Rd. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux based Time & attendance system
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Jul '05

09 Jul '05

On Friday 08 July 2005 08:18, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > at 1.2 million downloads, wxPython is the second highest ranked gui > toolkit on sourceforge. Highest ranking is wxWidgets at 2.2 million > downloads. Even if we assume 50% success ratio - this means that at > least 6,00,000 ppl have installed wxPython without breaking > anything. Afaik, the only deb i know of is gtk, (and not even > gtk2), which comes by default on most distros. The wxpython install > docs also give a detailed howto on how to install it in a private > place to avoid breaking other installs and debs - in fact the > install docs *recommend* this procedure. Really?. so how about posting a howto on how to install wxWidgets and wxPython and providing all deps in one place. BTW downloaded wxWidgets-2.6.1.tar.bz2 twice.The damned thing wont unzip. bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors While a dozen other downloaded tarballs work correctly. After installing libwxbase2.4 libwxgtk2.4 libwxgtk2.4-python avsap still throws upOn Friday 08 July 2005 08:18, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > at 1.2 million downloads, wxPython is the second highest ranked gui > toolkit on sourceforge. Highest ranking is wxWidgets at 2.2 million > downloads. Even if we assume 50% success ratio - this means that at > least 6,00,000 ppl have installed wxPython without breaking > anything. Afaik, the only deb i know of is gtk, (and not even > gtk2), which comes by default on most distros. The wxpython install > docs also give a detailed howto on how to install it in a private > place to avoid breaking other installs and debs - in fact the > install docs *recommend* this procedure. So how about posting a howto on how to install wxWidgets and wxPython and providing all deps in one place. Most testers may be deterred trying to get it running imo. Particularly since we would need C.As for doing a good job. BTW downloaded wxWidgets-2.6.1.tar.bz2 twice.The damned thing wont unzip. bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors While a dozen other downloaded tarballs work correctly. Anyways under extreme coercion by one Mr. K.G.i am forced to move my ass and get his app running on my box ;-). rgds jtd

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Commercial - Looking for Linux Consultant
by Deepak Palande 09 Jul '05

09 Jul '05

Dear All, We are looking for Linux Consultant, preferably RHCT/RHCE / LPI Certified urgently. Please call to Mr. Deepak Palande - 09324611858 / 39511322 OR Mr. Vaibhav Parikh - 09820432368 / 39511322 It is very urgent.... Regards.....Deepak

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[Commercial] Linux Kernel Programming Training
by Concepts 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

Hello All, LDD Training is one of flagship training solutions offered by Concepts Systems. This training has become special one due to Concepts faculties having experience in File Systems, NFS, Storage Space. Next weekend batch of Linux Kernel programming is starting from Saturday, 16th July 2005. Course Highlights: -Intel x86 Fundamentals -Operating Systems Basics -Character loopback device driver -Mouse Device Driver -Slab Cache -System Call hooking -Kernel Compilation -Kernel Threading and synchronization -Simple File System Detail syllabus is available at http://www.conceptssys.com/SyllabusPdf/LDD.pdf Duration: Approximately 40+ Hrs (1.5 months) Venue: Concepts Systems, 3rd Floor, Nirmal Complex, Paud rd., Kothrud, Pune 411038. If you have any queries feel free to call us on 020-25381126 Or mail us at training(a)conceptssys.com Thanks & Regards, Concepts Systems, http://www.conceptssys.com training(a)conceptssys.com Ph.: +91 020 25381126 (O) ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux based Time & attendance system
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 10:05, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 06 Jul 2005 9:07 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > We do. Proximity card based multidoor solutions. 5000++ users > > individual door ACL. Files for loading into windowze based > > HR/salary packages. Backend postgres. Frontend browser based. > > So your client can continue to suffer M$. Of course we > > strongly recommend using gnu/linux (we take no responsibility > > for any issues with the windows machine). > > for details contact me off list. > > wtg jtd - *this* is what openource is about - real world solutions > in linux. Is the software you use open source stuff - or some > proprietory solution of your own? The backend and frontend is customised as per the clients requirement and is open. Though i doubt it will be useful to anybody since it depends on the access control hardware we make. The hardware includes fingerprint readers, proximity card readers, PIN readers, doorlocks, sensors, framegrabbing, alarms etc. across multiple locations. And this is the simpler stuff. > > btw, if you can do *all* this - how come you are unable to install > wxPython? Trust u to ask embarrassing questions. Actually just plain tied up with voip stuff, which has plenty of hardware and is very interesting. Also my wife Punit writes all the software. And my machine runs woody + some backports installing the latest wxPython libs requires several deps to be installed which will break my other stuff. Jeez am i lazy. There is ample scope for business solutions on GNU/linux. Which is what i keep cribing about everytime someone say M$ or wonderful new licence. Also try doing a fraction of the above using M$. Infact just try keeping a system with a closed app like the above running for a few days. rgds jtd

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Virtualisation
by Rony Bill 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

Hello All, A few months back there was a discussion here on running 2 OSes in one machine and I had put forth a concept of having multiple OSes in one machine and simulate multiple computers in one machine to reduce hardware costs. I had suggested a system of having a motherboard that has a bios which will create seperate hardware quotas for each OS. In the July 2005 issue of Chip, there is an elaborate article on virtualisation and some of those concepts along with much more information have been discussed in it. :) Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] reliance pcmcia wireless card ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

On Thursday 07 July 2005 12:58, Rony Bill wrote: > > > It would be interesting to know if 2 LG LSI 110 phones can be > connected together on one machine to give a download speed of 230 > Kbytes per second. :) > Yes. U can chain several to get slightly less than the sum of all. Enable EQL option in your kernel. rgds jtd

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reliance pcmcia wireless card ?
by Erle Pereira 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

any one has any idea on how good the reliance pcmcia wireless cdma card is ? And How is the connection ? More imp... has anyone worked it with linux.. and if so... any issues with it ? regards Erle

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Debian 3.1 DVD
by pradeep chandiramani 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

Anyone knows where to buy Debian 3.1 DVD from? Who sells it in Mumbai? I found 1 website www.buylinuxdvd.com selling Debian 3.1 dvd, are they good? Has any one ordered from them? Thanks in advance for your reply.

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Mysql Help
by Karia Amit 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

Hi, I Have lost root password for mysql , I have got mysql daemon started in my machine , I have tried to login to mysql using the following command mysqladmin -u root -p <password> it just doesnt Allow me to login, Please let me know how do i change the root password for mysql regards Amit

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>>Forwarding 80 to 443<<
by BIJU KRISHNAN 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

Dear Luggers, Please help me with a appropriate sol'n for the following case: SRS Client ------> RH9 Proxy ------->SRS Server Port 80 443 SRS is a SUN Client for monitoring, it communicates with the SRS Server and sends stats and traps. Any suggestions for implementing the proxy. The client would connect to port 80 of the proxy and subsequent traffic would be diverted via port 443 to the SRS Server. Its SSL proxy that i intend to implement, can anybody point me to NOWTO or reply with a few easy steps to help me implement the solution quickly. Thanks and Regards Biju ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] getting started on Linux OS - reply
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 23:38, bhushan naik wrote: > hello > thanks for offering the linux cd > but i dont have a dvd drive . > my friend has a dvd drive and a cd writer. > so can the dvd linux cd be copied and then be burned on couple of > normal cds which then could be used by me. Pleas post all queries to the list. You cant do that. Each cd/dvd has a list of files. You will have to create that list and save it with each cd. Maybe someone else will be able to give you sarge cds. Or wait a while i will be downloading them. rgds jtd

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Old hardware...
by Dinesh Joshi 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

Hey dudes, I am looking out for a working Pentium I motherboard. I have the rest of the stuff cpu, memory etc... If someone has a P I motherboard and would like to help a poor college kid (^^) then please email me on or off the list. I know many of you must be wondering why am I posting this on a LUG mailing list. Well, I was in the middle of building a Linux router when the motherboard died. Actually, the BIOS on the board died. I got a new EEPROM IC (exact specs), the BIOS image but unfortunately I dont have the programmer to flash the BIOS. So I am on the look out for another board in working condition. I got to the part of installing Redhat 9 on my old 1.2GB seagate harddisk when this happened :( Please dont brush away this thread as trivial. If you can seriously help me out in whatever way you can then please email me. I may pay you whatever little I can. I already have quite a large outstanding bill with my vendor :P Thanks!!! Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 27, Issue 7
by Sachin 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

Hi All >Do you actually type this entire line everytime you want to connect. No sir. Its a script. >Your external modem will be /dev/ttyS0 if connected to com1 or /dev/ttyS1 if connected to com2. In kppp you may have to add this line as the optional command in the after connect text box of kppp setup.. 'route add default ppp0' without the quotes. Thanks for the suggestion i will try out, I connect through a reliance LG-LSI-110 Cordless phone. Made a symbolic link from /dev/input/ttyACM0 -> /dev/modem. The problem is pcquest linux 2004 and enterpise linux version 3 work easy and there icons don't freeze when i connect. Also when i uninstalled iptables those errors where gone, But the freeze was still there. I am using Sarge (Testing) from PCQUEST dvd. Any other Debian users here who connect through Relaince cordless phone. -- Sachin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux based Time & attendance system
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

On Tuesday 05 July 2005 14:51, VKB wrote: > Friends, > > I need to advise a client on > which "time & attendance" system to acquire, > to replace an ailing/legacy DOS based one. > > If any of you are aware of (Mumbai) vendors/integrators > offering a GNU/Linux based time and attendance system > for a 50-100 person organisation, > please oblige by providing contact info > OR just pointers where I could look for such vendor(s). We do. Proximity card based multidoor solutions. 5000++ users individual door ACL. Files for loading into windowze based HR/salary packages. Backend postgres. Frontend browser based. So your client can continue to suffer M$. Of course we strongly recommend using gnu/linux (we take no responsibility for any issues with the windows machine). for details contact me off list. > > I am keen to review/recommend a (open standards) solution > rather than propietary (read M$) based quotes received todate. > > If it helps clariy, > I seek your help to locate 'vendor/integrator' > as against googling for 'software/tools'. > > Thanks in advance for your time and help on this. > > Vydya rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux based Time & attendance system
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 12:23, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 06 Jul 2005 11:25 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > depends on the access control hardware we make. The hardware > > includes fingerprint readers, proximity card readers, PIN > > readers, doorlocks, sensors, framegrabbing, alarms etc. across > > multiple locations. > > wow - are you into barcode writers/readers and stuff? No. RFID. Infact that is what u should be looking at longterm. > i am doing > some work on this for POS for avsap, if you have the know how, i > can avoid reinventing the wheel Barcode readers have serial (usb) interfaces. Should be trivial to read.There is already an app to write barcodes - kbarcode. And linbar to read. Freesoftware coders have already done 90% of the work for almost everything. It's the last mile and the business plan that u have to provide :-). Should u need any help on the hardware i will help. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux based Time & attendance system
by Sameer Niphadkar 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

>I need to advise a client on >which "time & attendance" system to acquire, >to replace an ailing/legacy DOS based one. > >I am keen to review/recommend a (open standards) solution >rather than propietary (read M$) based quotes received todate. > I am sorry for being little naive here, but is it a NTP based system which you are currently seeking ? Or is it something else ? rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] VPN through pptpconfig.
by Rajendra Rait 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

Hi Amitay, Here is the log, you had asked for. pptpconfig: debug information dump begins WARNING: security sensitive information follows pptpconfig 1.2 2004/06/19 08:57:15 # pppd --version pppd version 2.4.2 # uname -a Linux amb21 2.6.9-1.667 #1 Tue Nov 2 14:41:25 EST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux # grep mppe /proc/modules # modinfo ppp_mppe filename: /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_mppe.ko license: Dual BSD/GPL vermagic: 2.6.9-1.667 686 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-3.4 depends: ppp_generic Array ( [name] => Test VPN [server] => IP address of the server [domain] => [username] => Username [password] => (hidden by pptpconfig) [pppd-options] => [pptp-options] => [resolv] => [dns-options] => [routing] => routing_client_to_lan [usepeerdns] => 1 [require-mppe] => 1 [nomppe-40] => [nomppe-128] => [refuse-eap] => 1 [mppe-stateful] => [autostart] => [iconify] => [persist] => [debug] => 1 [client-to-lan] => a:0:{} ) # route -n (before pppd) Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.20.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.20.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 pptpconfig: debug information dump ends, starting pppd pppd options in effect: debug # (from /etc/ppp/peers/Test%20VPN) updetach # (from command line) logfd 1 # (from command line) linkname Test%20VPN # (from /etc/ppp/peers/Test%20VPN) dump # (from /etc/ppp/peers/Test%20VPN) noauth # (from /etc/ppp/options.pptp) refuse-eap # (from /etc/ppp/options.pptp) name Test # (from /etc/ppp/peers/Test%20VPN) remotename Test%20VPN # (from /etc/ppp/peers/Test%20VPN) # (from /etc/ppp/options.pptp) pty pptp **ipaddress** --nolaunchpppd # (from /etc/ppp/peers/Test%20VPN) ipparam Test%20VPN # (from /etc/ppp/peers/Test%20VPN) usepeerdns # (from /etc/ppp/peers/Test%20VPN) nobsdcomp # (from /etc/ppp/options.pptp) nodeflate # (from /etc/ppp/options.pptp) require-mppe # (from /etc/ppp/peers/Test%20VPN) require-mppe-128 # (from /etc/ppp/options.pptp) using channel 7 Using interface ppp0pptpconfig: monitoring interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/2 sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa488dc24> <pcomp> <accomp>] LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Connection terminated. Waiting for 1 child processes... script pptp **ipaddress** --nolaunchpppd , pid 4145 Script pptp **ipaddress** --nolaunchpppd finished (pid 4145), status = 0x0 # route -n (after pppd exit) Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.20.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.20.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 pptpconfig: pppd process terminated by signal 10 (failed) pptpconfig: SIGUSR1 # route -n (after completion) Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.20.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.20.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 Regards, Rajendra Rait.

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glibc error with jdk
by Karthik kiruba 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

Hi all, we were using jdk1.2.2 , further for testing tomcat - got installed jdk1.5 version , where we found some applets doesn't seem to work. In reverting back to jdk1.2.2 , i am getting the following error with java : Can't load library "/usr/local/jdk1.2.2/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so", because /usr/local/jdk1.2.2/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so: symbol __libc_wait, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference Could not create the Java virtual machine. How could i rectify the problem. Regards, Karthik.k ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

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Routing woes: Netgear port forwarding to RH9 & FreeBSD fails.
by Abhishek Daga 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

Machine 1: FreeBSD 4.9 Machine 2: RH9 (with mtnl dialup) Machine 3: FC3 All 3 are also connected via a Netgear MR814v2 (router/firewall) <---> Dlink DSL Router provided by TataIndicom. Machine 2 is connected to MTNL ALSO. Problem: Port Forwarding(80) in our netgear router to FreeBSD and RH9 fails whereas same works for the FC3 machine. Firewall rules on FC3 and RH9 are the same. By fail i mean, the setting takes place but when trying to connect, it fails. When trying to connect directly to the RH9 machine via the MTNL dynamic IP, it works fine. both SSH and HTTP. SSH (port 22) also fails similarly for RH9 and FreeBSD but works fine with the FC3 machine. As remote management is ON, we can connect to the router from outside. There is an option to make a server the DMZ server. Even when the RH9 and FREEBSD machines are made the default DMZ, it does not accept connections. Any clues? Seems a bit bizarre frankly. But then again, most things seemingly are. thanks abhi Ignorance is Strength. What you don't know cannot hurt you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Linux based Time & attendance system
by VKB 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

Friends, I need to advise a client on which "time & attendance" system to acquire, to replace an ailing/legacy DOS based one. If any of you are aware of (Mumbai) vendors/integrators offering a GNU/Linux based time and attendance system for a 50-100 person organisation, please oblige by providing contact info OR just pointers where I could look for such vendor(s). I am keen to review/recommend a (open standards) solution rather than propietary (read M$) based quotes received todate. If it helps clariy, I seek your help to locate 'vendor/integrator' as against googling for 'software/tools'. Thanks in advance for your time and help on this. Vydya

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SpamAssassin
by raj patil 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

Hi, I installed SpamAssassin on sendmail. But I am facing problem to configure it for virtual domains. Can u please guide me for this. So can anyone help me How to configure SpamAssassin for virtual domains. Regards Raj Patil _______________________________________________________ Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! http://in.mail.yahoo.com

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e: [ILUG-BOM] important poll - please make your voice HURD
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

On Tuesday 05 July 2005 07:41, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > http://www.danaquarium.com/pollbooth.php?qid=os_marriage&aid=-1 This is the problem with the world. Diluting the blood-lines of royal Nix inheritors with virus infected low life. While it maybe acceptable to keep a few zombie machines in the outhouse to interact with the low life, cohabitation is strictly taboo. Oh and do hide the partition hoarding your sinful deeds on the darkside. For the worm infested and terminally ill who wish to gain salvation, they have to install GNU/Linux and join this list and ask stupid questions and get flamed and then rescued by the royal knights of the list, before cowering down in a corner while the royals rail about nothing in particular, and generally try to define proper behaviour and etiquette. Ofcourse sainthood is possible only to those who suffer the penance of the HURD with Emacs..

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[Commercial] Device Driver faculty
by SN Embedded 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

Hello Luggers, Thanx for the earlier response. We also have a requirement : PART TIME Faculty for Linux Device Driver. Should have experience/ proficient in the said area. Others having knowledge of device driver could also send in their biodata. Should be able to provide a practical example of Writing a Device Driver Examples of devices could be: USB PCI Mouse K/B Please send in your resume with salary expectations. Classes would be held on Saturday/Sunday . We are located in Mumbai. Rgds, SN Staff

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important poll - please make your voice heard
by Kenneth Gonsalves 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

head over here to vote: http://www.danaquarium.com/pollbooth.php?qid=os_marriage&aid=-1 -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.org.in ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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New to Linux need help
by hitesh tulsani 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

Hi, I am a fresher BE Electronics....form Thadomal Shahani Engineering College.... I am a new-comer to Linux...so need help like where to start from and how to code on linux platform.... FYI i am using knoppix 3.3 just to get aqcuainted with linux but need to know more about it... Thanks and Regards Hitesh Tulsani

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Running Java Applets in GNU/Linux
by Kenneth Gonsalves 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

On Monday 04 Jul 2005 4:26 pm, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > > are you going to give a prize to the mailing list that gives you > > the best answer? > > thats not my intension.. I want to get my doubt clarified, for > which I think GNU/Linux mailing lists are discussing actively.. Its > for clarifying the doubts of newbies.. If a person knows the answer > he can reply.. and does nt want to pass circastic comments like > this... These lists are *not* for clarifying doubts of newbies - they are a community effort with both give and take. Posting to several lists at the same time deprives list members from the benefits of the discussion. Look up 'cross posting' to see why you shouldnt do it - and dont reply off-list to list mail -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.org.in ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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Running Java Applets in GNU/Linux
by Senthil Kumaran 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

Am using gcj for compiling my Java code and gij for interpreting the class files. I would like to know how to run Java Applets in GNU/Linux (not by creating a html file to run that applet). Is there any package available for that (something similar to appletviewer) Am using Debian sarge testing. Is there any package available in that... --sen-- Be a man of Deeds Don't be a man of Needs... Blog: http://stylesen.blogspot.com

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[OT] HW - Looking for a mobo - PIII 1.0Ghz
by Arun Khan 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

I am looking for a mobo for a PIII 1.0 Ghz cpu, with - 3 DIMMs (max. 1.0 GB) - 4/5 PCI slots - 1/2 ISA slots OK - PS/2 Mouse/Keyboard ports Prefer name brand (Asus, Microstar, Gigabyte) but will consider other brands. If you have one to spare pls. contact me off (mailto:knura@yahoo.com) the list with details and your price. TIA, -- Arun Khan (knura at yahoo dot com) You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today.

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Concept of Copy/Paste.
by Rony Bill 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

Hello All, What is the concept of copy paste in linux as compared to windows? In windows I can save highlighted text or links in the clipboard and close the source program or editor. In linux, if the source program/editor is closed, it does not highlight the 'paste' option in the destination program or editor. Case: As a safety measure links from emails are never clicked directly, instead they are copied and then pasted in the addres bar of the browser. In this process if the email client is closed, the 'paste' option is not highlighted. Same thing happens when saving parts of a web page text from a browser to a text editor. So in linux is the concept of copy based on the an active link only as compared to windows, where a seperate memory pad is used to store the text? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com

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Re: When connected icons freeze.
by Sachin 03 Jul '05

03 Jul '05

Hi > Can you describe the actual method and programs that > you use to connect > to the net, from the time you log into your desktop > as a user? I have > used debian sarge with firestarter 0.9 and it worked > well. I used kppp > on my desktop. You _may_ have to add gksu - kppp in > your shortcut > properties to be able to use it as a user. It will > ask you for the root > password. I connect using this pppd /dev/modem 115200 debug usepeerdns defaultroute noauth connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v "" at+crm=1 OK "atdt#777" CONNECT' 8030935906 8030935906. Everything goes fine but when i am online the desktops icons just vanish. I got a pcq on the other partition and it runs gracefully. -- Sachin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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opening attachments with pine
by Philip Tellis 03 Jul '05

03 Jul '05

I've recently upgraded from FC2 to FC3 and am now having trouble opening attachments through pine. This is the flow of events after asking pine to display an attachment: 1. pine saves attachment to /tmp 2. pine spawns attachment viewer 3. pine deletes attachment from /tmp 4. attachment viewer finally shows up and cannot find the attachment Current version of pine - 4.63. A lot of articles on the net talking about opening attachments in pine, but none of them address this issue. Ideas on what I can try? My current solution is to have a shell script copy the file out of /tmp and then spawn the attachment viewer with the new filename. Philip

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Connected Online Icons freeze.
by Sachin 03 Jul '05

03 Jul '05

Hi All I am working on Debian sarge 2.6.11,When I connent to internet, through my Reliance Landline Connection, all the desktop shortcuts stop responding whereas the task bar Icons respond mostly though sometimes they to turn obstinate. Initially i thought it could be because of the Firestarter as when i tried to log in through Terminal 1 or any other tty i get characters like this running that i cannot run any command. IN=PP0 OUT= MAC= SRC=220.226.9.18 DST=220.226.6.188 LEN=48 TOS=0X00 TTL=45 ID=41026 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=265 1 DPT=445 WINDOW=16384 As soon as i killl pppd after sometime the system may work. I neither see any heavy disk activity during all this. Tried google but could not locate the same error somebody facing too. Any help would be appreci -ated. -- Sachin ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

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A project idea
by Nikhil Marathe 03 Jul '05

03 Jul '05

This is a quite simple and basic idea i had today. Some of you may have noticed that when oss developers are releasing it they have to put in a lot of time to design a proper website for it. So if we could have a bunch of php scripts together that would do the following things(more if you have suggestions): - Automatically generate common links like Screenshots, About, Features, Download, Help. - The developer just has to put download files in a directory called downloads or something and then the install script will parse the directory contents and generate links for download. Overtime it could be modified to recognise extensions such as deb & rpm & tar.gz and put 'source', or 'debian woody' - The install script will generate html files so that the developer can add more program specific html - It will be modular using include() - Other directories like faq or help or screenshots will also be passed Please tell me what you think about it. Nikhil -- ******************************************** * do u want to learn web programming? * * Visit http://pagetutor.superihost.com * ********************************************

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Re: Concept of Copy/Paste.
by Roshan 03 Jul '05

03 Jul '05

Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Concept of Copy/Paste. Hello All, What is the concept of copy paste in linux as compared to windows? In windows I can save highlighted text or links in the clipboard and close the source program or editor. In linux, if the source program/editor is closed, it does not highlight the 'paste' option in the destination program or editor. Case: As a safety measure links from emails are never clicked directly, instead they are copied and then pasted in the addres bar of the browser. In this process if the email client is closed, the 'paste' option is not highlighted. Same thing happens when saving parts of a web page text from a browser to a text editor. So in linux is the concept of copy based on the an active link only as compared to windows, where a seperate memory pad is used to store the text? Regards, Rony. I am not sure of the concept. But the incident experienced here is applicable to windows XP specifically. (as far as I have experienced!) Secondly, I use, KDE 3.1-10 as my desktop environment under Redhat Linux 9.0 and I have a utility called Klipper This is a good utility which store the previous copied text and enables a number of entries (which can be customized). Also, hopefully, it even store after closing the source program/editor. Sir, Can I know which distro are u using? This question is also applicable to people who would like to state it! _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 --------------------------------- Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! http://in.mail.yahoo.com

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Connected Online Icons freeze
by Sachin 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

Hi > >From this log it appears that someone is bombarding > your machine > with MS directory server queries. Are you running > samba on your > machine? Also try enabling firewall to block all > incoming > connections. NO samba on this machine, Firestarter is up. The same connection works clean on the pcq 2004 version on the other partition. -- Sachin ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

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Floppy Linux
by Rony Bill 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

Came across some links for linux in a floppy or two. http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/ http://users.sunet.com.au/~tsn/floppy_linux.html Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com

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Fwd: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (Manoj Bohara)
by Svaksh 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Manoj Bohara <manoj_boharaforever(a)yahoo.co.in> Date: Jul 2, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (Manoj Bohara) To: Svaksh <svaksh(a)gmail.com> Dear Svakashji , I thanks for the personal reply u send to me other than on the mailing list . Your email has been very informative to me . I have studied linux how to operate it and simple things . I want to study it more not because of an alternative to windows since i dont have a machine at my home , :-) . I want to study to work on it . I liked that in the end u said " comeback with linux related questions or anything specific like "i have this os and i want to dual-boot it with linux", etc.. . " the kind u enthusiasm and pain u took to reply me back was to its peak . With such an enthu i would definitely mail u back if any queries . I am working in wipro BPO for Dell Computers as tech support agent so if i can be any assistance to plz free to mail be back , :-) . Best wishes Manoj ************** ********* did you mean to send this to the list ? if not please send all questions to the mailing list so that everyone can benefit. also i dont have all the answers so this is where others with more knowledge can help and the raison d'entre for the existence of this and other mailing-lists. -- svaksh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux kernel not starting
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

On Saturday 02 July 2005 19:27, Guntupalli Karunakar wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:37:50 +0500 > > sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > the machine is a 486 with 40MB ram, 4.3GB HDD. (dos/windows too > > > are unable to start up apart from the initial messages.) > > > just curious typically which part of hardware could have gone > > > wrong? > > > > 4.3GB?? afaik these machines cant detect a harddisk > 2gb. > > this one had a pci bus & LBA thing so could take the 4.3GB. Doubt that. You can sling a pci bus onto almost anything. The 2GB limit is because of the bios. Once you boot with a floppy linux will work with any disk. Also memtest will fail if the bios settings are not suitable for the ram. Afaik linux will not interfere with the mem timings. The old rams do not have a serial eeprom for timing params and the mobos do not have an i2c bus to read the params. > i will try that. > well just planning to take a new machine, but dont want to junk > this out completely, but seeing if i can still get it working, the > old beast can still do a lot!! :-). rgds jtd

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Link on Live CD Creation Resources
by Sriram N 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

All: A resouce link on creating Live CDs http://www.livecdlist.com/wiki/index.php/LiveCD_Creation_Resources -- Sriram ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] at last some sense on the horizon!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

On Saturday 02 July 2005 15:50, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > its here: > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/30/esr_interview.html While the superiority of the development process guarantees a superior product, that in itself does not guarantee a future. It is a rather naive assumption that just because some socio-technical process works well there no need for using the law to protect it. Just yesterday M$ paid up $775+75 million for illegal monopolistic behaviour. Everybody knows that monopolies are bad and eventually fail. But in the intervening period the law breaker is a pain in the ass for everybody else. The law ensures that everbody else gets a chance to be a pain in their ass. Infact inspite of the gpl u have companies like google who do not contribute back derived gpld code. GPL v 3 will ensure that using forked closed gpld code to deliver services will be very difficult. rgds jtd

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Review of System Rescue CDs at Linux.com
by Sriram N 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

All: http://applications.linux.com/applications/05/06/22/1941252.shtml?tid=129&t… -- Sriram ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux kernel not starting
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

Hi all, > > any idea what a message like this means, this is just when the > kernel is loaded from floppy, uncompresses and the below message > comes repeated in screenfull. > > Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address > 00000000 > > the machine is a 486 with 40MB ram, 4.3GB HDD. (dos/windows too are > unable to start up apart from the initial messages.) > just curious typically which part of hardware could have gone > wrong? 4.3GB?? afaik these machines cant detect a harddisk > 2gb. Check the bios setup. Insert maximum wait states to slow down ram access. Replace the ram if you can find some of those ancient pieces. Or try a floppy distro. since these use very little ram it might just work. rgds jtd

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linux kernel not starting
by Guntupalli Karunakar 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

Hi all, any idea what a message like this means, this is just when the kernel is loaded from floppy, uncompresses and the below message comes repeated in screenfull. Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000 the machine is a 486 with 40MB ram, 4.3GB HDD. (dos/windows too are unable to start up apart from the initial messages.) just curious typically which part of hardware could have gone wrong? Karunakar -- ************************************* * Work: http://www.indlinux.org * * Blog: http://cartoonsoft.com/blog * *************************************

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at last some sense on the horizon!
by Kenneth Gonsalves 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

its here: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/30/esr_interview.html -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.org.in ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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Reliance-HOWTO : Reliance LG LSP 340 Series WLL Modem Setup HOWTO
by Komal 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/text/Reliance-HOWTO Regards, Komal

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Patch Kernel 2.6.11
by Rajen M. Parekh 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Hi, I am using Slackware 10.1. The default kernel is 2.6.10. Slackware gives the unmodified kernel source along with the Source CDs. I installed kernel source 2.6.10. Then I downloaded the patch for kernel 2.6.11 from kernel.org and successfully applied it. After that I apply patch 2.6.11.1 which also got applied, but after that patch 2.6.11.2 gives me error. I tried it many times and checked that I am not making any mistakes, but every time 2.6.11.2 gives me error. When trying to apply patch-2.6.11.2, I get the following error. (I have tried with both the patch kernel script, as well as using the patch command directly, both with same result), root@localhost:~/linux-2.6.10# ./scripts/patch-kernel . . patch-2.6.11.2.bz2 Current kernel version is 2.6.11.1 (Woozy Numbat) Applying patch-2.6.11.2 (bzip2)... 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Makefile.rej Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Skipping patch. 3 out of 3 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file drivers/input/serio/i8042-x86ia64io.h.rej Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Skipping patch. 1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file drivers/md/raid6altivec.uc.rej failed. Clean up yourself. Now as per the message if this file contains patch file "2.6.11.2" has contents which are already applied then the next file "patch 2.6.11.3 " should at least successfully apply. I tried to jump to 2.6.11.3, but of course that also gives me error. After applying patch 2.6.11.1 the top level Makefile in the source directory says, VERSION = 2 PATCHLEVEL = 6 SUBLEVEL = 11 EXTRAVERSION = .1 NAME=Woozy Numbat Now if we have look at the patch file 2.6.11.2, then it says, diff -Nru a/Makefile b/Makefile --- a/Makefile 2005-03-12 21:16:32 -08:00 +++ b/Makefile 2005-03-12 21:16:32 -08:00 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ VERSION = 2 PATCHLEVEL = 6 SUBLEVEL = 11 -EXTRAVERSION = +EXTRAVERSION = .2 NAME=Woozy Numbat <snip> Now shouldn't the " -EXTRAVERSION" say ".1" ? In fact, none of the patch file in 2.6.11.x says "-EXTRAVERSION=x". All of them are empty. But the subsequent "+EXTRAVERSION=x" is present in all patch files. I am really confused. What I did next was delete the whole source directory. Re-copied the source directory, applied the 2.6.11 patch (which gets applied successfully, in any case). Then instead of applying any other 2.6.11.x patches, I directly tried to apply 2.6.12 patch and it got applied without any errors on the screen. Now I am not sure whether I have done the correct thing or not. Secondly, I still can't figure out why am I not able to apply any patch in the 2.6.11.x series subsequent to 2.6.11.1 ? What am I doing wrong ? The Documentation directory along with the source does not contain any instruction/suggestions to apply extraversion level patches. I hope I have been able to explain things correctly. Regards, Rajen. -- ... God must love the Common Man; He made so many of them.

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Ubuntu - KDE Cds
by Vinayakam Murugan 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

Hello Does anyone have Ubuntu - KDE (kubuntu) installer CD? -- Warm Regards ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vinayak

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] List usage guidelines
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

>The word 'anyways' is so glaringly wrong that everytime anyone uses it >anywhere, I feel like yelling, "No No its not anyways its anyway anyway >man !!". :D Google says -- Results 1 - 10 of about 3,520,000 for "anyways" Suppress your urge to yodel... or You're going to be speechless. IF you absolutely have to yell you might as well do it right.. http://www.geocities.com/viennaonline/ai/yodel.html?200529 Does it really matter as long as the poster's point comes across ? Anyways this thread is going nowhere. Oops.. make that 3,520,001 Gishu ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] List usage guidelines
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

>>Does it really matter as long as the poster's point comes across ? >>Anyways this thread is going nowhere. Oops.. make that 3,520,001 >Yes, it damn well matters. If it's too incoherent to read, I won't >bother reading it. Lots of posts here and elsewhere are like that. If saying anyways instead of anyway makes it incoherent. Then so be it. There are far too many things wrong with people that I don't have time to change and i don't think this rule will last/work. But then that's just me being myself. I am against using sms lingo though.. in any case, posting an indecipherable question almost guarantees NO answer. so it's the poster's loss and he will learn. ^^^^ Don't burden the moderators or whoever has to scan thru.. with rules like this. Like Rony said, last post.. enough said. Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] List usage guidelines
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

On Wednesday 29 June 2005 07:38, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 9:11 pm, Rony Bill wrote: > > The word 'anyways' is so glaringly wrong that everytime anyone > > uses it anywhere, I feel like yelling, "No No its not anyways its > > anyway anyway man !!". > > sorry to burst your bubble - anyways is now correct english. > Anythang in fairly widespread use becomes a correct thingie in > english - that is one of the beauties of english. > Arrey yaar get with it man That is Hinglish. You should read some Chinglish on other mailing lists. Or Italinglish or Frenglish. The english on this list would please the queen. Also the writers of the above dialects gradually improve their english writing skills, so i am all for gramatically correct written english. rgds jtd

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List usage guidelines
by Linuxers Admin 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

Please comment on this list usage guidelines. We had a discussion on this topic before. http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/listguidelines It has also been reported that some list members are unable to post messages/replies to the list. Please notify the list admin offline about your problem. -- List Admin

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GTK+ & C on winblows...
by Dinesh Joshi 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Hi guys, Due to unfortunate circumstances beyond my control I have been unwillingly forced to use GTK+ on the winblows platform. Now I miss my ol' RPMs, gcc etc... and I have reached a dead end!! I don't know what to install and where! I have downloaded the following things: 1. DevC++ (latest with mingw32) 2. glib-runtime 3. glib-devel 4. gtk+ runtime 5. gtk+ devel 6. atk runtime 7. atk devel 8. gettext runtime 9. gettext tools 10. libiconv 11. pango 12. pkgconfig All(except devc++) from this site: http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/downloads.html Now I asked uncle ol' google but he wouldn't give me a guide to install and get gtk+ apps compiling on windoze with devc++. So luggers please help me out here ... Thanks, Dinesh. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Spamassassin
by raj patil 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Hi, I am facing big problem in configuring spamassin for more virtual servers. Can any one give me best solution for same . Thax. --------------------------------- Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messages Only in Yahoo! Mail: http://in.mail.yahoo.com

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POP / IMAP Proxies
by Manish Kathuria 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Can someone suggest me some tested and stable POP / IMAP Proxy Servers for Linux ? - Manish Kathuria

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] List usage guidelines
by Arun Khan 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

> From: Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:08:47 +0530 (IST) > I'd just like that the static content we present to the world be > correct. In the same vein, I would like to suggest min. usage of Short Message Service (SMS) language on the list. While "Plz. think 2ice b4 u wud jmp off d cliff. Not bcoz sum1 told u 2 jmp." may look cute on the mobile phone displays; it may not be comprehensible to many, especially people from other culture(s) who see such messages through Google search. If acceptable, this may addressed in item 10. on the guidelines. -- Arun Khan <arunkha(a)gmail.com>

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SQUID Configuration....
by Vasudeo P Kelkar 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Can some one send me squid.conf file ======================================================================= Godrej is now just a call away. Dial our 24 hour toll free number, 1600225511* for all your queries about our products, prices, dealers and service. We will be glad to be of assistance to you. * Toll free number available in Mumbai, Pune, Delhi, Chennai and Kolkata. " Visit our website - http://www.godrej.com " =======================================================================

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] POP / IMAP Proxies
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

>Can someone suggest me some tested and stable POP / IMAP Proxy Servers >for Linux ? Try Cryrus and Exim Anand.

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Running software ... off your thumb drive
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

This is from the "i.t." magazine, and an article written by Nimesh Dubey nimishdubey(a)yahoo.com -- which I found rather interesting. Some of it is Free/Libre and Open Source Software-related. -FN - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Can you install an operating system be installed on a thumb drive? This is not possible at the moment with a Windows or Mac OS. But GNU/Linux is very much of an option. See Flash Linux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/flashlinux Includes hardware detection, auto configuration and a Gnome 2.8 desktop. Also comes bundled with an office suite, a browser and some other basic applications. You'll need a 256 MB thumb drive to install all of this. Windows CE works on a thumb drive, using the Windows CD Device Emulator. It works only with a Windows PC. See more at http://blogs.msdn.com/smakofsky/archive/2004/12/20/328001.aspx Office suites: OpenOffice is your best, and so far only, option. You'll need plenty of space (about 90MB) if you wish to avail of all its features. You can download it from http://johnhaller.com/jh/useful_stuff/portable_openoffice/ The OpenOffice website states that you will need at least 256MB capacity to be able to run OpenOffice on it. But the author says you'd probably need a 512MB one if you wish to save documents as well as install and use other applications on it. AbiWord is being supported with some tweaking by Craigweb -- http://craigweb.net/abiwordftd/ You can download AbiWorld from http://sourceforge.net/projects/abiwordftd Mozilla's Portable Thunderbird is a runaway winner in the category of thumbdrive-based email clients, says Dubey. Download from http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_thunderbird/ Mozilla rules supreme in the browser category too. Download from http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_firefox/ Want an organiser/planner? EssentialPIM allows you to access your daily schedule as well as phone numbers and addresses from any computer, without even going online. http://www.essentialpim.com Mozilla also has a calendar application called Portable Sunbird, but it is much more basic in nature, and suitable only for scheduling and reviewing appointments. See http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_sunbird/ Music players anyone? XM Player is http://www.un4seen.com/download.cgi?xmplay32 -- it's just 300KB! Hope you find this useful. FN

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] stop software patents!
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

-----Original Message----- From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Shakthi Kannan Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:58 PM To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] stop software patents! Hi, --- Svaksh <svaksh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Cant say how much impact it will have on India Software patents have been banned in India because of the good work by FSF-India. Sk -- proudly anti-micro$oft I not sure that they r banned completely, though certain clauses were removed from the final draft which was dud to the FSF's (india chapter) efforts. Hey btw this is not a M$ haters list (just curious about ur signature) its a FLOSS believers list.

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Linux Tuitorial
by Gokul Kannan Jeyapaul 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Hello guyz, First of thanks to one and all for helping me getting connected to internet using Red Hat Linux.. I appreciate the groups a lot.. As i already mentioned i do have personal passion towards Linux...Now i wanna start my study of linux..Pls guide me through this..Where shud i start from???Any resource pointers??PDF's...Thanks in advance Also i wud keep bugging u guys then n there with all my silly and unworthy doubts so plsssss bear with me... Regds, Gokul

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] FOSS Essay
by Sameer Niphadkar 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

> > This is the essay paper > > http://www.geocities.com/sniphadkar/FOSS.pdf > >i would love to respond to this, but i find it very difficult to >comment on a pdf document - could you put up an stx or html version >so readers can snip and comment? >-- Sure ! would upload in xml very soon. We had to present the paper in pdf format by default, hence the problem. Anyways thanks for your interest. rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by Vickram Crishna 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

At 12:37 AM +0530 6/27/05, Trevor Warren wrote: >--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > >> In fact i have stopped talking price with customers >> (i collect >> the M$ tax u see) and focus on a zillion other >> things which shreds >> everything that billy baba and 2000xp chors can >> throw. >[snip] > > No worries JTD, as long as we have IIM babus running commercial >organisations like those at redmond such reports are bound to >surface. Actually, it also has a sprinkling of IIT walas. Just a few, here and there. No lack of ability. Just good old organisational dynamics at work. > Infact, the report did give me a lot to ponder. You know terence, >managing networks with 500-1000 nodes with MS can be a real >nightmare especially when patching the machines on a daily basis is >more of a norm. MS has an architecture in place seamless across >distributions to push these patches across the entire enterprise. >How much of this works....you know better. Don't ever confuse working 'better' with 'perception of deliverables'. This is what kept IBM afloat in the years before MS became a standard in the industry. It's what has kept Apple from dominating the desktop. Question is, just how 'big' is the market for networks of 1000+ nodes, and how big is it for much lesser numbers of nodes? > With FLOSS in a network as big as the one consisting of 1000+ >nodes you will realise that management-patch scheduling-upgrades are >the most significant part of the TCO. This in effect drives the need >to acquire systems that the average "techie" can deal with. I tend to think that if someone studies it honestly, the results will show that applications that deliver business solutions across networks are the key - one of which may well be the ability to deploy patches remotely and securely, but let's not fool ourselves: such apps are only appreciated by techies/sysads. If you want to win hearts and minds, you have to deliver to the foot soldiers, but whether you do that or not, the big bucks get sanctioned by the big bosses. The paradigm of centralised apps, from ye olde mainframe days, is returning with web based applications becoming more powerful (in terms of deliverables). The tech issues are moving from those managed by maintenance techies to problems of security and speed. However, this is not yet obvious to senior management, which fears the lack of security, but does not understand yet how the issue of security itself has morphed. With many large organisations (and therefore, in good old copycat or 'safe' mode, most smaller ones too) still favouring MS platforms for application serving, it will take more time for FLOSS to reach the business sector. What is painful and painfully obvious too, is the fact that too many non-business sector organisations also favour the safety of numbers. I suspect this is an opportunity that too many of our listmembers are ignoring. But more on this separately. -- Vickram

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Connecting Sify Broadband Red Hat Linux 9
by Gokul Kannan Jeyapaul 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Hello Friends, Im new to Linux..To be frank im a beginneer..without much knowledge on linux.But yes i do have a personal passion and love for linux I want to configure my Red hat linux 9 to sify broadband...Im having a ethernet card..I want to know how to configure it to connect to Sify Broadband and also i need to know the url from where i can download sify client for linux to connect.. Any resource pointers(url) or any kind of help is apprecianble...Thanks in advance..hope this group makes a linux beginner a pro soon :-) Thanks in Advance. regds, Gokul

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: getting started with linux OS
by Roshan 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

> Sometime Today, R cobbled together some glyphs to > say: Sir, what do the above lines mean? > > >can the linux and windows both stay on one > system? > > > > Yes. They both can stay on one system but not on > one partition > > See WinLinux. Oh wow!...I did not know, that such a thing was existing!...Superb!..The only thing I think that it is not as popular as the others because, most people have switched from Windows 98 to 2000/NT/XP... And I have Windows 2003 (180 day trial) so, wont be able to try WinLinux (co-incidently) 2003! Thankyou for this piece of vital Information!... _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 _______________________________________________________ Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! http://in.mail.yahoo.com

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Re: getting started with linux OS
by Roshan 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

hi. >can the linux and windows both stay on one system? Yes. They both can stay on one system but not on one partition >is it easy to use linux like windows on a standalone machine? It would be a bit time consuming using it at the initial stages as you would expect things to be as it in windows (which is not the case) >can i learn to use linux basic by myself if install in on my machine? Yes, if you wish to and you are determined that you can learn it. You can also install it on your machine on you own. However, there are distros (if you are a bit paranoid) which can be run directly through the CD's. is there any site which would be helpfull? There a lot ....You cannot number them....However, http://www.tldp.org http://www.linuxquestions.org http://fedora.redhat.com and many more.... is it ok to use linux for the internet and everyday use? Yes surely...and u need not install third party utilities as *many* distros (forgot, different distributions of linux are called distros) come with good bunch of applications. No worrying about Viruses worms etc.... and where can i get the Linux OS? many places.... Digit Magazine was one where I obtained Three CD's of Redhat Linux 9.0 However, if you have a good internet connection (>64 Kbps) you can download from http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html (Linux disto that can Run from CD) http://fedora.redhat.com (Most widely used in Indian offices (Redhat based linux) , which, u have to install... and there are just many more... However, I wud recommend to start with Knoppix. After you download the ISO of Knoppix, you have to burn the image (I hope you know the options in NERO) and use it. Then u change your first bootable device in BIOS to CD-ROM/Writer and put the CD in the corresponding drive before your OS boots. thank you Always welcome ;) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends n family photos for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. http://in.photos.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Tuitorial
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

> As i already mentioned i do have personal passion towards Linux...Now >i wanna start my study of linux..Pls guide me through this..Where shud >i start from???Any resource pointers??PDF's...Thanks in advance Personally I have yet to come across a good book on Linux. Authors bounce off topics after just touching the surface. It's just too big and too many distros. But a book will help you get your installation up. Then you need access to internet => google / mailing lists. After that it's running into things, posting, fixing, learning, rinse and repeat > Also i wud keep bugging u guys then n there with all my silly and >unworthy doubts so plsssss bear with me... Don't worry u will get flamed if it falls in that category 8-). Ignore em and move right ahead... Gishu

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stop software patents!
by Svaksh 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

hi, on 6th of July, the European Parliament will vote on "software patents" and if approved will codify US-style Software Patents in the EU. http://noepatents.eu.org/index.php/NO_Software_Patents and http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/ Cant say how much impact it will have on India (i think it will) but we can definitely protest so if any list members who have websites are interested they can participate in the "web strike" or put up banners until the vote. here is the link : <http://noepatents.eu.org/index.php/Web_Demo_Against_Software_Patents> -- svaksh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] VPN through pptpconfig.
by Rajendra Rait 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Hi Amitay, Thankyou for your email. Which other client should i use, i am just aware of pptpconfig, from a windows box it connects well, i have problem configuring it from fedora 3. Rajendra Rait. Amitay Isaacs wrote: > On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 12:48 +0000, Rajendra Rait wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to configure VPN through RedHat Fedora core 3 using > > pptpconfig. > > > > But land up with this error > > > > Using interface ppp0pptpconfig: monitoring interface ppp0 > > > > Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/2 > > anon warn[open_inetsock:pptp_callmgr.c:317]: connect: Connection > > refused > > anon fatal[callmgr_main:pptp_callmgr.c:123]: Could not open control > > connection to *****the ip address of the vpn server******* > > anon fatal[open_callmgr:pptp.c:426]: Call manager exited with error > > 256 > > Modem hangup > > Connection terminated. > > pptpconfig: pppd process terminated by signal 16 (failed) > > pptpconfig: SIGUSR1 > > > > Is it that i can only connect pptpconfig using an dialup or adsl > > connection, what i am trying is to connect the VPN using my local LAN, > > is that possible or i am just wasting my time. > > > > If this is the case any other software through which i can achive my > > goal. > > > > Also i forgot to mention the VPN server i am trying to connect is a > > Windows box. > > > > I have done the VPN configuration using the sorgeforge url for fedora > > 3. I simply followed the steps from the URL but it didn't work. > > >From the logs it appears that your windows box is refusing incoming > VPN connections. Make sure that you can connect to your windows box > using any other client. > > Make sure you have proper password configured in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets. > Also ensure that the kernel module for MPPE compression is loaded > before you start your PPTP client. > > Amitay. > -- > The body is 97% water. The rest keeps it from drowning. > > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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COMMERCIAL: Part time :Linux teaching
by SN Embedded 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Dear Luggers, We require people to teach Linux Basics on part time basis. Please send in your resumes to snembedded47(a)rediffmail.com. Thanx Regards, SN Embedded (Staff)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] getting started on Linux OS
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

On Sunday 26 June 2005 18:20, bhushan naik wrote: > and where can i get the Linux OS? Linux is not an os. It is the kernel for an os. The os you would be interested is GNU/Linux. First try knoppix. It is a bootable live GNU/Linux cd. The cd allows you to run gnu/linux without installing anything to your hard drive. If you have a dvd drive i could give you PCQuest Debian sarge dvd Price Rs.70 + courier charges. Alternately could some list member offer him Sarge on cds? rgds jtd

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Fwd: [Indix Developers' Workshop]
by Nagarjuna G. 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

----- Forwarded message from "Alka S. Irani" <alka(a)sarathi.ncst.ernet.in> ----- > Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:56:18 +0530 (IST) > From: "Alka S. Irani" <alka(a)sarathi.ncst.ernet.in> > Subject: Indix Developers' Workshop > Hello everybody, > > Will appreciate if you can nominate a person for this workshop. > It is free for deserving students/FOSS enthusiasts! > > Regards, > > > > -- alka > > (also available on http://staf.ncst.ernet.in/alka/workshop.pdf) > > IndiX Developer's Workshop 27 June - 1st July 2005 > Call for Participation > > What is this workshop? > > X11 is the dominant Graphical User Interface on Unix and GNU Linux > workstations. Developed twenty years ago at MIT, X11 has a network-transparent > client server architecture with multiple applications running on > client machines anywhere on the network. The X11 Server running on the > workstation controls the display and input hardware and provides > the X11 services including text and graphics to the user. > > Initially X11 could display only Latin (English) text. With Internationalization > several attempts were made to enable X11 to handle other scripts. > For complex text like Indic scripts, most of the attempts aimed at > enhancing the X11 client to cook the Indic text and present the > almost fully cooked text to the X11 Server. > > IndiX rebelled against this apartheid. If the X11 server handles the > fonts and converts Latin text characters to glyphs on the window screen, > it should do the same for Indic scripts. > > IndiX has analysed text processing in Latin and Indic scripts and > abstracted the basic interfaces required for text input, editing and > display. IndiX bases its characters to glyphs processing on the > ISO\/IEC 10646 model. So, for example, all the characters of an Indic > syllable are treated as an indivisible unit like a single Latin > character and presented for conversion to glyph at the lowermost > level of the font. It is the font that has to form conjuncts > and other shapes and place them appropriately. In IndiX these > operations are not carried out at the higher levels as a text layout > operation. The first figure shows how X11 handles Latin text for > simple display. The second shows how IndiX enhanced X11 displays > Indic text. > > X11 is a large, complex and working software. The IndiX development team > wishes to share with other developers, > its experience with enhancing the text processing components > of X11. > > > Outline of the workshop > > X11 architecture, and text processing. > Indic text processing. > Building X11 system. Source tree, Configuration, Imake and Make. > Debugging X11 modifications. > Enhancement of X11 Server. > UTF-8 to UCS-2 conversion. > Script based selection of font. > Formation of conjuncts (Substitutions). > Positioning. > Enhancement of X11 Client. > Interaction between Page and Text layout with XDrawText. > Syllable handling. > > > The participants will be grouped into teams of two. Each > team will be given a bare X11 environment without any > Indic support. A test program to display Indic text > will be run and it will show blank boxes. The participants > will then carry out the stepwise enhancements, the Indic characters > will start appearing crudely at first. Finally, by the end of the > week the display should be befitting Indic scripts. > > The workshop will be conducted by Sandeep Rao and Vinod Kumar, > developers of the IndiX Project. > > Who should attend? > This workshop is not for users of X11 or IndiX. It is for > developers who maintain, and enhance X11, specifically its > text processing sytem. The emphasis is on Indic text processing > under the X11 architecture and not on Indic text processing per se. > We seek to limit the number of participants to less than ten. > Developers who have already enhanced or modified and recompiled X11 > would be welcome and we as well as other participants would > like to benefit from these experienced developers. In that way, > the workshop hopes to bring together and foster X11 development > experience in India. > > Schedule and Venue > Mon, June 27, 2005 to Fri, July 1, 2005 > Lecture Theatre, > C-DAC Mumbai > Gulmohar Cross Road No 9 > Juhu VileParle > Mumbai 400 049 > > Phone: 022 26201606 > email: indix(a)ncst.ernet.in > > > > No fees for deserving Students and Open source volnteers > Workshop fee: Rs 5000/= > > > How to apply? > Please send an email to indix(a)ncst.ernet.in by 26 June 2005. > We shall confirm your registration on 26 June 2005. > Your email should be with the following details. > > Name, Organization and Responsibility > Prior development experience with X11. > What do you expect to gain from this workshop? > Any suggestions on restructuring or refocussing the workshop. > > On confirmation please send your cheques of aforementioned amount, > drawn in favour of "C-DAC, Mumbai" and send it to our office address. > > IndiX Developer's Workshop > C-DAC Mumbai > Gulmohar Cross Road No 9 > Juhu VileParle > Mumbai 400 049 > > > Dr Alka Irani, > Sr Research Scientist, > C-DAC (Mumbai) > (formely National Centre for Software > Technology, Mumbai, India) > Tel: 91-022-2620 1606 > 91-022-2202 4641 > > > ----- End forwarded message -----

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FOSS Essay
by Sameer Niphadkar 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Hi, This is the essay paper http://www.geocities.com/sniphadkar/FOSS.pdf which I submited to the Department of Informatics, School of Economics and Commercial Law, Göteborg University, Sweden. (I had taken up a research course there which deals with the political impact of open source software) Hope to get some feedbacks from you guys as it deals with the "Impact of FOSS on Modern Standards" rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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swap partitions
by Komal 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

What are the maximum number and size of swap partitions in Linux kernel 2.6 and 2.4? Thank you Regards Komal

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bind / named error
by saurabh daptardar 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

Hi, I am trying to set up DNS server (bind) on fedora core 2 (kernel 2.6) I got the following error: code: t@localhost nag2]# named -g Jun 26 22:00:47.841 starting BIND 9.2.3 -g Jun 26 22:00:47.842 using 1 CPU Jun 26 22:00:47.845 loading configuration from '/etc/named.conf' Jun 26 22:00:47.846 listening on IPv4 interface lo, 127.0.0.1#53 Jun 26 22:00:47.848 command channel listening on 127.0.0.1#953 Jun 26 22:00:47.849 ignoring config file logging statement due to -g option Jun 26 22:00:47.849 couldn't open pid file '/var/run/named/named.pid': Permission denied Jun 26 22:00:47.849 exiting (due to early fatal error) I have chmod named.pid to 777 and running 'named' as root Please help me out. Regards, Saurabh

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getting started on Linux OS
by bhushan naik 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

hi. can the linux and windows both stay on one system? is it easy to use linux like windows on a standalone machine? can i learn to use linux basic by myself if install in on my machine? is there any site which would be helpfull? is it ok to use linux for the internet and everyday use? and where can i get the Linux OS? thank you --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

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InkScape Presentation.
by Komal 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

http://www.wixsonit.com/buggerit/assets/inkscape_klug_presentation.pdf Regards, Kmal

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Re : Inquiry on training institutes on Linux (Manoj Bohara )
by Manoj Bohara 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

Dear Group Members , I thanks to all of you ppl for replying me back , and i also welcome all the feedbacks . I have never joined a mailing list , this is a first one i ever joined so my idea was that if we have group of ppl who know much much more better than me , so there shouldnt be any hesitation on my side to ask such a question . To the ppl who say "learn on your own ": - I sincerely thank all of you ppl for making me remember this old formula which works . I agree to it since some timeback even i was a tutor (Mathematics) . I am a strong believer of "God helps who help themselves" . However there is one more important fact that we have to accept is thatone cannot move ahead unless given the right direction and advice from the ppl who have been through the same process . Others : Friends you ppl have been very encouraging in your response to my question . I thank all of you for providing me the right resources and the right advice . Thanking all of you for all your responses , i accept and take it positvely and would not mind asking any such questions in future since this is the way we learn , isn't it (look smiley ) :- ) ? Best Wishes Manoj Bohara --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online & more. Check it out!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

On Sunday 26 June 2005 15:18, Trevor Warren wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > In fact i have stopped talking price with customers > > (i collect > > the M$ tax u see) and focus on a zillion other > > things which shreds > > everything that billy baba and 2000xp chors can > > throw. > > [snip] > > No worries JTD, as long as we have IIM babus running > commercial organisations like those at redmond such > reports are bound to surface. > > Infact, the report did give me a lot to ponder. You > know terence, managing networks with 500-1000 nodes > with MS can be a real nightmare especially when > patching the machines on a daily basis is more of a > norm. MS has an architecture in place seamless across > distributions to push these patches across the entire > enterprise. How much of this works....you know better. they pretend to have such an architecture in place. On friday a bank had to inaugurate two branches down south. Internet ex plodder would not connect to the central server, although routes and ports were absolutely fine. so check the router, check the nics, call up regional hub at 0230 hrs. reinstall win2k. Finally re-reinstall win2k on about 25 machines with a cd from another branch everything works. The cd that came from the software repository has the latest patches and was supposed to be installed on all machines but was delayed for some reason. U can imagine the catastrophe avoided by shear luck. > > With FLOSS in a network as big as the one consisting > of 1000+ nodes you will realise that management-patch > scheduling-upgrades are the most significant part of > the TCO. snip > Having worked with numerous distros i still feel the > need for ubiquitous patch management mechanisms is a > must. Redhat with RHN comes close and but again isnt > seamless across distros, dpkg and yum are other > options which need to still scale to enterprise > requirements. Thus until this problem continues to > prevail we shall have organisations moving away from a > total migration to FLOSS. But this is a IT managment issue. Standardize the hardware first. Next standardize the distro. And have tight SLAs. Without these even FLOSS cannot generate a golden bullet. But IMO a regional repository is extremely useful in driving down costs. The bottom line is that M$ will eventually come down to a capital cost on par with FLOSS so start focussing now on the things that they simply cannot compete against. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

On Saturday 25 June 2005 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hows this: > http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=61173 Stupid - to put it mildly. More correctly put you would not expect the financier pay to have his pants pulled off in public. Particulary one as disease ridden as m$. The first big hole is that the survey questionaire is not available. Worse the research firm Meta Group Inc who audited the survey instrument and associated cost model, are a known microsoft shill. Threat and vulnerability analysis without source code is as scientific as the daily fortune column in midday - ridiculous to say the least. So please do not post links to a study of M$ vs rest of the world. They are always funded my some M$ shill and the results are full of shit. If somone thinks that his M$ systems are cheap all the best to him while the penguins circle to pick off his business. In fact i have stopped talking price with customers (i collect the M$ tax u see) and focus on a zillion other things which shreds everything that billy baba and 2000xp chors can throw. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (ManojBohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

On Thursday 23 June 2005 21:40, Manoj Bohara wrote: > Dear Members, > My name is Manoj Bohara. Friends i needed > some information regarding linux OS courses . Hi Manoj, There are a few, most prominent being RH and Novell-Suse. > I am deeply > intrested in linux system programming field. The above courses have very little to do with programming for anything, let alone the linux kernel. They're aligned towards system administration. Google to understand the various "flavours" of programming. > Also i needed guidance on how should i go about it . Reading books on systems, oses and programming is one method. Other methods could be story listening and pavlovian conditioning. The last method is in wide spread use as it produces code of a unique quality known as sphagetti. Most "programmers" know this learning and programming environment as Visual xyz, running under an os known as windows. Rumours say windows and associated apps was written by microserfs conditioned to click icons at a furious pace, which by magic produces sphagetti code. > necessary C/C++ in depth to learn such Linux subjects . One other method, in addition to the first, used widely in writing libre software is reading the source code. Both methods are highily recommended. Besides producing code of a very high quality, it is known to produce immunity to pavlovian conditioning and actually winds up teaching the reader to write code. > Thanks in anticipation Oh you are welcome ;-)). rgds jtd

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linux is costly!
by Kenneth Gonsalves 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

hows this: http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=61173 -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.org.in ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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Are they gettitin it?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Not quite.But the IT ministry seems to have crwaled outa the cave. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0,39020384,39205447,00.htm Sonia Gandhi launched distribution of 3.5million cds conatining OO and Firefox. That should deliver a neat whack to internet ex plodder. do mail the link to bank admins that dont support FF. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

On Saturday 25 June 2005 15:24, Rony Bill wrote: > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > hows this: > > http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=61173 > > This may be a dumb question :) but why does linux need to be > patched??? We select a distro based on its success reports and it > is anyway configured to be secure. > > It should not be a problem for free distros to add automatic > updaters in their software to update just like microsoft's updates. Every piece of software suffers from some vulnerability or bug. These may allow the system to be ow3nd by some cracker or reduce the performance of the system. Hence systems need to be patched. Apart from the above improvements in the software also necessitate patches / upgrades. The cost of patching is not the price of the patch but the system downtime and manpower costs. Most distros do have autoupdates. In any case it is easy to setup a cron job to do updates. But in large systems you dont want to do auto anything because large number of other mission critical appps are running and patching one part may cause problems in another. M$ takes the cake for this. So you download the patch check what the heck it is patching in the first place. Decide if it is worthy enough before shoving it up your system. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Has anyone compared Visual Basic/COM programming withequivalents in the Linux world ?
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Hey Sriram, I work on COM too but its not with VB, we use VC. I was looking for a COM eqivalent in linux and CORBA is the closest u can get. I dunno of any ide that helps with CORBA development, besides i think ppl have lost interest in it. Do let me know if u find anything. Anand. -----Original Message----- From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Sriram N Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:07 PM To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Has anyone compared Visual Basic/COM programming withequivalents in the Linux world ? Hi all: I'm an Eclipse platform developer, and I also program in Visual Basic 6 using COM style interface driven development. (Really, I'm a frameworks developer.) Thinking in objects has caused me to shun the conventional data driven development that's typical in Visual Basic 6. My work is MVC based and I've been designing COM components and reusable user interfaces in Visual Basic 6 when required. My questions: 1. Are there other such programmers on this list ? 2. Could any of the programmers on the list tell me if GNOME/KDE programming has an equivalent of Visual Basic so far as a development environment for writing class code is concerned ? I know of the Gnome-Java bindings and of libgnome, but I was just curious to know the general programming trends and preferences of the list members. Also, I know that I can google out this information, and perhaps play with Glade , etc, but I'm more interested in meeting other programmers such as myself. -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux(Manoj Bohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

On Friday 24 June 2005 20:48, Nadeem M. Khan wrote: > But joining a course which > requires extensive hardware (routers, switches) like CCNA is > probably justified. IMO no. All they teach you is syntax for their bash shell. You will learn far more about networking by using a linux box as a router. Look at the qos and queing facilities in linux. Ask any CCNA to setup two queues with specialised qos parameters on a cisco router and see. rgds jtd

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Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (Manoj Bohara)
by Manoj Bohara 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Dear Members, My name is Manoj Bohara. Friends i needed some information regarding linux OS courses . I am deeply intrested in linux system programming field . If anybody knows of any institute in Mumbai which gives the right training and project to work on , i request to him/her to pass this information to me , it will be go great help to me since i am not aware of any institute in Mumbai . Also i needed guidance on how should i go about it . Is it necessary C/C++ in depth to learn such Linux subjects . Thanks in anticipation Best Regards Manoj Bohara --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux(Manoj Bohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

On Friday 24 June 2005 08:22, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > Most of the guys who > propagate this 'learn on your own' crap are guys who have 3-5 years > of formal education in computers, on which basis they are now > capable, to a certain extent, of learning on their own. incidently, > on a personal note heard tell you were going for german classes - > how come you didnt learn german on your own (I did). And 3~5 yrs it does take to learn - in or outside a formal institution. The difference is that inside you will view the world thru the prof's blinkers - and most of those are very colored. IMO learning outside is far better, inspite of the hurdles and occassional hot reception to (ahem) dumb questions. > I would > suggest that unhelpful replies like this be avoided. If a guy asks > for info about courses available, either give the info or refrain > from adding to the noise on the list. The op's (non) question itself shows that the person has probably never even installed linux on his machine leave alone written a line of code for anything at all. It his duty to first aquaint himself with the basics before diving into the deep end. And besides the hot answers there were cool ones too. Kind of nice balance. rgds jtd

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 26, Issue 38
by bhalla.v.k. 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: >Part1.2 > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > 1. RE: User name and password at the booting --how tooverride? (VKB) This is regarding that longish message that got attached with the mail sent through an intranet server. I really do not know what kind of algoritham or to prevent spasam mails the sys admin sent it with my mail. My query remains. Regards. b.v.kumar ----------- Disclaimer: This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressed individual or entity. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. It must not be printed, read, copied, disclosed, forwarded, distributed or used (in whatsoever manner) by any person other than the addressee. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may constitute unlawful act and can possibly attract legal action. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. If you have received this message in error, you should destroy this message and may please notify the sender by e-mail. Thank you. -----------

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ILUG-BOM Wiki
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Hey Anurag, r we getting the wiki ?? Anand.

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Has anyone compared Visual Basic/COM programming with equivalents in the Linux world ?
by Sriram N 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi all: I'm an Eclipse platform developer, and I also program in Visual Basic 6 using COM style interface driven development. (Really, I'm a frameworks developer.) Thinking in objects has caused me to shun the conventional data driven development that's typical in Visual Basic 6. My work is MVC based and I've been designing COM components and reusable user interfaces in Visual Basic 6 when required. My questions: 1. Are there other such programmers on this list ? 2. Could any of the programmers on the list tell me if GNOME/KDE programming has an equivalent of Visual Basic so far as a development environment for writing class code is concerned ? I know of the Gnome-Java bindings and of libgnome, but I was just curious to know the general programming trends and preferences of the list members. Also, I know that I can google out this information, and perhaps play with Glade , etc, but I'm more interested in meeting other programmers such as myself. -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux
by Venkatesh Hariharan 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

For those interested in Red Hat's training programs, the following links will be useful: http://www.in.redhat.com/training/rhce/ A list of Red Hat training centers is available at: http://www.in.redhat.com/training/service/locations.php3 Venky

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upgrading kernel patch
by Karia Amit 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi all, I have solaris 9 with kernel Generic_112233-11 patch i want to enable ssh with ftp in this server ,please guide me as in how should i make kernel compatible so that i can enable ssh with ftp , Also tell me the same procedure in linux would be a great help..

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database of Linux ISP settings for India
by Rai, Vivek BGI UK 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi All, I am working on creating a localized distribution of Linux, and was hoping to add the Provider database for India to the KPPP package. That way, we can have KPPP preconfigured for various Indian ISP's for various locations in India. Linux users in India could be spared from re-inventing the wheel each time they want to connect to an ISP. For this, we need to get details from any connections which work fine. You guys can help me with this - and this will eventually help all of us. Could you guys mail me your $HOME/.kde/share/config/kppprc? (of course with the username / password removed ), and any other valuable experience + setup details that you thing could be helpful to others? Hopefully, we would get all the "correct" setttings included in the next version of KPPP, get the settings verified, and connecting to various Indian ISP's will be smooth in future. Till such time, I can probably sort them by ISP/Locations and keep the file on the internet somewhere. Oh yes, and please also send your ISP and Location with the $HOME/.kde/share/config/kppprc Many Thanks, Vivek email vivek.rai(a)gmail.com

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HSP 56 micromodem (internal modem) driver
by saurabh daptardar 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, Has anybody installed HSP56 micromodem (PCTel) (internal modem) on Fedora Core2 -- 2.6 kernel. If yes, please enlist the steps in detail including the source from where you got the driver. Note: I have tried driver provided at http://<http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/> linmodems.technion.ac.il/*pctel*-linux/<http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/> on various distributions fc1,slackware,redhat9,ubuntu etc. but without much success Regards, Saurabh

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VPN through pptpconfig.
by Rajendra Rait 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, I am trying to configure VPN through RedHat Fedora core 3 using pptpconfig. But land up with this error Using interface ppp0pptpconfig: monitoring interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/2 anon warn[open_inetsock:pptp_callmgr.c:317]: connect: Connection refused anon fatal[callmgr_main:pptp_callmgr.c:123]: Could not open control connection to *****the ip address of the vpn server******* anon fatal[open_callmgr:pptp.c:426]: Call manager exited with error 256 Modem hangup Connection terminated. pptpconfig: pppd process terminated by signal 16 (failed) pptpconfig: SIGUSR1 Is it that i can only connect pptpconfig using an dialup or adsl connection, what i am trying is to connect the VPN using my local LAN, is that possible or i am just wasting my time. If this is the case any other software through which i can achive my goal. Also i forgot to mention the VPN server i am trying to connect is a Windows box. I have done the VPN configuration using the sorgeforge url for fedora 3. I simply followed the steps from the URL but it didn't work. Please help me. Thankyou in advance. Regards, Rajendra Rait.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutesregarding Linux(Manoj Bohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

On Friday 24 June 2005 10:50, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Friday 24 Jun 2005 10:22 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > And 3~5 yrs it does take to learn - in or outside a formal > > institution. The difference is that inside you will view the > > world thru the prof's blinkers - and most of those are very > > colored. IMO learning outside is far better, inspite of the > > hurdles and occassional hot reception to (ahem) dumb questions. > > the point i am making is the concept of 'the best learn by > themselves' which is simply not true. Self help, as i have already > mentioned, is a crucial component of learning - but only one > component. > Tiger woods is the best golfer in the world - but has a > coach, so for Anand. Maria Sharopova's father flew to florida with > $700 in his pocket - why didnt he stick in siberia and encourage > his daughter to learn by herself? Sania Mizra's biggest weakness is > fitness and is running from pillar to post trying to find a fitness > coach - surely she could learn to keep fit on her own by reading > books, watching TV and googling? In fact the only guys who > subscribe to this self-taught crap is the indian hockey federation > - and they are wallowing in deep kaka. You are mixing unrelated learning processes. Sports is a mix of several discliplines - kineselogy, physiology, psychology, material sciences etc. which you could ofcourse aquire by googling. But you cannot implement it on yourself cause it involves observing yourself while traning. Besides doubling the time to train this requires experience to discern cause and effect - not very observable outside a very well equipped lab. Hence you require a mentor - coach - not formal education although that helps. ( Self glorification - trained in the distant past in swimming and water polo for 8 yrs and continue to practice karate under Shihan Pervez B. Mistry from 77 to 83 and 2000 till date). And the hockey team needs to get rid of pompous IHF officials more than anything else. > > formal training imparts certain fundamental skills and discipline > which can only be appreciated by ppl unfortunate enough not to have > the benefits of the same. It also, to a great extent, prevents one > from reinventing the wheel - i just spent 20 hours on debugging an > app due to an error so simple that it has never been mentioned in > any HOWTO or tutorial as it was considered too elementary to be > worth mention. Believe me that happens with everyone :--( That is why you need peer review and debuggers and ofcourse access to the source. > > There is only one area where self taught is best - where you are > breaking new ground and venturing where no man has been before. And > this does not apply to the instant case. And that happens to be the case with computing and programming. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (Manoj Bohara)
by Raseel Bhagat 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 Manoj Bohara wrote : >Dear Members, > My name is Manoj Bohara. Friends i needed some information regarding linux OS courses . I am deeply intrested in linux system programming field . If anybody knows of any institute in Mumbai which gives the right training and project to work on , i request to him/her to pass this information to me , it will be go great help to me since i am not aware of any institute in Mumbai . > Hi Manoj, Concept Systems conduct Linux Device Driver and Linux Internals course in Pune and I think they have started classes in Bombay too. I remember getting their mail once announcing the same. But I advise you to mail/phone them and ensure. www.conceptssys.com >Also i needed guidance on how should i go about it . Is it necessary C/C++ in depth to learn such Linux subjects . You HAVE TO know C atleast at the intermediate level to venture into Linux systems Programming. You can make do without C++, but its always better to know it too. Also you should know basic shell scripting. And as everyine keeps repeating do things on your own as much as possible. Start visint the umpteen sites on Linux Internals, start browsing the code.. and THEN join a course with basic understanding of OS concepts. It'll much easier and effective for you then. I myself have been trying to get into the internals for quite some time, but the learning curve is becoming longer for me. There is so many fascinating things to know, implement and redesign that it takes quite a bit of time to get REALLY well-versed. Have Patience and determination. Raseel. Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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User name and password at the booting --how to override?
by bhalla.v.k. 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

Hi, Friends! I have a dual boot operating system which boots in Mandrake ver 9.1 Linux as a default if i do not select Window option. Linux is demanding to a local host user name and a password, i have forgotten these . What step i have to take ? I am absolute beginner. Pl. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rm me either through list reply or at the email address : vkbhalla(a)npcil.co.in : Attention B.V.Kumar Thanks. B.V. Kumar ----------- Disclaimer: This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressed individual or entity. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. It must not be printed, read, copied, disclosed, forwarded, distributed or used (in whatsoever manner) by any person other than the addressee. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may constitute unlawful act and can possibly attract legal action. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. If you have received this message in error, you should destroy this message and may please notify the sender by e-mail. Thank you. -----------

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linux packet drops
by Sonali Gupta 22 Jun '05

22 Jun '05

Hi, We are using Snort on Linux in the binary packet capture mode (capture and log in tcpdump format). We find packet drops even at 5 Mbps bandwidth which we feel is very low for the hardware we are using. We would be grateful if you can provide any suggestions on the issue. Hardware used: HP Proliant DL 140 G2. Dual processor, processor speed 2.8 GHz with 512MB RAM and 72 GB SATA HDD, Gigabit network card. Operating system: Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES Version 3. Snort version: Snort 2.3.0 The OS is a default installation. We are not running any software other than snort on the system. Observations: We find that the drop is related to HDD writes. If there are no hard disk writes, then there is no drop even at 80 Mbps. We tested this by using a rule in snort which rarely matches, so that snort hardly logs any packets. We also found that the drop increases when the I/O is high, irrespective of whether it is being done by the same process (snort) or a totally unrelated one. We created a high I/O scenario by doing copy of a huge file (3GB) periodically while snort is running. Even this triggered packet drops. So, to summarize, we see packet drops in sniffing whenever there is disk I/O happening. We do not suspect the HDD of the machine, as we were able to simulate the problem in two other totally different systems also. Regards, Sonali

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