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Re: July GLUG meet, and Mumbai Press Club...
by Roshan 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

> While the bandwidth and infrastructure war rages on, > can anybody give > some feedback regarding the propsed (by Anurag) July > GLUG meet to > coincide with the Mumbau Press Club presentation? > Are we having it? I too am curious to know. Are we having it together? Somaiya Vidyavihar has its own campus newspaper, VOICES, and perhaps, this session may seem useful for that. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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[ANN] call for foss student fellows
by Kenneth Gonsalves 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

hi NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC is looking for foss student fellows and mentors. Details here: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/full/AN/ -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org

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[OT] Indian progress after 50 years
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

On 7/10/06, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray <debarshi.ray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well I do not know what was India's condition 50 years back. But I > have often heard my grand father say, that India had enough gold in it > is exchequer to buy England! Coming back to serious business, the Yes, and all that gold was concentrated to a very very small population. Now the situation has slightly improved. Now the moolah is concentrated to a very small population (note that there's one less 'very'). We had close to 90% population which was poor after our independence. The figure has improved after 50 years. We are counted among the more important nations around the world in many respects (defence, commerce, politics). Give it 50 more years and then I think we should be in a position to judge whether we have done well as a nation or not. > current policy of reservations, etc.. would surely make us a 'African' > nation before long. Dr. Kalam's 2020 goal would just remain a distant > dream. :-/ We have "representatives of the common man" in executive power and not visionaries. All reforms are a means to get votes and not for true upliftment. Due to this we have some half baked reforms like reservations. I'm not completely against reservations; they should be implemented in a different manner and at a different level. Reservations in primary schools should be enforced to make sure every child gets atleast the best quality of basic education (upto 12th). Once the playing field levels out there, we can have a fair grounds to judge merit. We are in no position to judge true merit now. Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Siddhesh Poyarekar" <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers@mm.glug-bom.org> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:33:03 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] bandwidth patter
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

> We have come all the way from being like an African nation to what we > are now in just over 50 years. That's a really big achievement. Well I do not know what was India's condition 50 years back. But I have often heard my grand father say, that India had enough gold in it is exchequer to buy England! Coming back to serious business, the current policy of reservations, etc.. would surely make us a 'African' nation before long. Dr. Kalam's 2020 goal would just remain a distant dream. :-/ Regards, Debarshi

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SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10
by Dinesh Joshi 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

JFYI, SuSE is about to release this "vista-killer". http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/47/7150.html Seems to be a great distro and somewhat better than Ubuntu Dapper Drake... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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[ot] bandwidth patterns
by Harsh Busa 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

Hi This is a snip off from a thread abt how sad some isps are monopolistic coz others bill you more etc ... I m just curious how much bandwidth does an average linuxer need each month ? I know it varies from person to person and all sorts of things but just curious. i browse , chat, email , upload photos , update critical upgrades ( whatever they are called ) each month, voip on skype and a few tools ... my appetite is about 700 - 1000 megs monthly. Harsh -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Airtel Broadband In Mumbai
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Dinesh Joshi wrote: ** deleted **** > Read my post carefully. Airtel is the only operator with certain plans > which none of the other operators are offering. Hence a monopoly. > Dinesh, you read carefully first. Making a commercial offer at a lower in price than competitors or different term is not monopoly. Your definition is wrong. Monopoly is like BEST in Mumbai, where no one else is ***allowed*** to ply public use bus services. If 2 cable tv companies, one offering a bundled service while others are offering a per channel cost, does not make the first guy a monopolist. Its a commercial offering, nothing stops others from offering the same, if they are not interested in offering that rate, it also is a commercial decision.....it does not make the other company a monopolist. eg - BSNL offers a student mobile connection at a flat rate of Rs. 100 per month. No other company makes that offer. But that does not make BSNL a monopoly. >> 4. I know the bandwidth and infrastructure prices in India. No player >> can offer decent Internet service without data-throughput caps. If > Excuse me, FLAG and TYCO were acquired by Reliance and TATA > respectively. TYCO alone has like 11000 Gigabits of /unlit/ capacity. > And were you aware the TRAI cut the prices of bandwidth ( leased > lines ) twice? Once it was by ~70%. > TRAI cut the price only because VSNL had monoploy right over the landing station signed 15 years ago. Before that, lease line prices were 20+ times higher than international rates. Besides, the cut was on account of distorted pricing levels between large and small users. The actual cut in rates was done by VSNL while it was still owned by the government. It will still need to come down to 1/4 of what it is today. >> 5. The internet service providers are going to provide services first >> where they can make more money. First they will target corporate >> business, then upmarket housing complex and when that market is > Right. Did you know the ARPU for their mobile operations is ~600INR? > While their potential ARPU for their BB operations can be ~1000INR or > more. Mobile voice arpu is around Rs. 240. It was 600 a long time ago. Worldwide, revenue shifted from voice to value added and data services. But I dont think the arpu for broad band is not Rs. 1000. Most of the connections sold in India are lower. >> 6. The small players can not set up decent infrastructure. Even in so >> called advance markets, there are only very large players in the ***deleted *** > Wait right there. Are you quoting those numbers just like that or do you > have any basis for them? I have done good amount of work in this sector. The figures are based on facts and figures from projects and reports. > Look at my first reply. Leased lines in India > are now costing nearly the same as that of the international markets > No. Anyway, it is not local leased lines, it is international data lines that make the difference. Do you know the cost of providing cable internet services in mumbai ? -You need to buy a bandwidth (Bharti, MNTL, Reliance). at 1:1 and not 1:4 compression -Then you need a local loop operator and pay local loop charges to the locality -Then you need to create and implement an POP (Point of presence) -Then you need to have fiber from the POP to the building -Then you need to local access point in the building to terminate fiber -Finally you will need to take a local wiring to the subscriber's place ***deleted *** > With VoIP being legal in India they are fearing that their Telecom > business will take a hit if they give out broadband connections. Who in > their right minds will pay a telco for a telephone call when he can > make free PC2PC, PC2POTS calls at dirt cheap prices? > PC2POTS calls will need to have a termination charge (see my previous mail). Termination Charge in India (local call) is 30 paisa. Add that to VOIP call cost, well, BPL charges me - Rs. 49 per min. MTNL charges Rs. 1.20 per 3 minute Mumbai to Delhi. VOIP still has a benefit only in International Calls. ****deleted****> > Well that is your usage pattern. But some people do like to contribute > to the legal torrent networks out there. Some people do like to stream > music, videos, have online conferences and like to watch online clips. > Some people actually use the internet for fun. Some people actually > visit youtube.com. Some people actually need to upload large files to > FTP servers for their work. Some people like to download, update their > favorite Linux distros. And some people do use Fedora Core 5 whose > installer / updater is configured by default to use YUM as their back > end and it becomes PAINFULLY slow when one has to wait several hours > for something to download and install. > Such people will therefore need to pay for the additional usage. That is the rule world wide, you pay for what you use. > ****deleted*** > Wake up and smell the coffee! This is not the shell era anymore. The web > is a rich multimedia experience which is hampered only by these slow / > data limited (but fast) connections. I wouldn't mind if these operators > put good amounts of download limits. I mean 40-60GB cap on a 256Kbps > connection is decent... > The connection is available is available, MTNL provides it, but you need to pay for it. 2 mbps, 60GB data limit....... Dont expect to get what you are not willing to pay for. You see, I smell the coffee every day. I work with numbers and with the kind of data you dont have and can only hear about. We use rich cross continent client application in our clients offices, We do voip and video conferencing, we upload and download files which are at times in GB. We work on massive databases and huge graphic imageing files, flash and streaming content files (all ofcourse at our clients offices as it is their work, not mine). Some time back, we did a marketing campaign run for a client where a rich image email was to sent out to 1.8 million registered users of a service. That is huge bandwidth requirement. But in each case, we are willing to pay for the bandwidth, you want to use the same bandwidth but do not want to pay. Regards Saswata

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Airtel Broadband In Mumbai
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Dinesh Joshi wrote: ** deleted **** > Read my post carefully. Airtel is the only operator with certain plans > which none of the other operators are offering. Hence a monopoly. > Dinesh, you read carefully first. Making a commercial offer at a lower in price than competitors or different term is not monopoly. Your definition is wrong. Monopoly is like BEST in Mumbai, where no one else is ***allowed*** to ply public use bus services. If 2 cable tv companies, one offering a bundled service while others are offering a per channel cost, does not make the first guy a monopolist. Its a commercial offering, nothing stops others from offering the same, if they are not interested in offering that rate, it also is a commercial decision.....it does not make the other company a monopolist. eg - BSNL offers a student mobile connection at a flat rate of Rs. 100 per month. No other company makes that offer. But that does not make BSNL a monopoly. >> 4. I know the bandwidth and infrastructure prices in India. No player >> can offer decent Internet service without data-throughput caps. If > Excuse me, FLAG and TYCO were acquired by Reliance and TATA > respectively. TYCO alone has like 11000 Gigabits of /unlit/ capacity. > And were you aware the TRAI cut the prices of bandwidth ( leased > lines ) twice? Once it was by ~70%. > TRAI cut the price only because VSNL had monoploy right over the landing station signed 15 years ago. Before that, lease line prices were 20+ times higher than international rates. Besides, the cut was on account of distorted pricing levels between large and small users. The actual cut in rates was done by VSNL while it was still owned by the government. It will still need to come down to 1/4 of what it is today. >> 5. The internet service providers are going to provide services first >> where they can make more money. First they will target corporate >> business, then upmarket housing complex and when that market is > Right. Did you know the ARPU for their mobile operations is ~600INR? > While their potential ARPU for their BB operations can be ~1000INR or > more. Mobile voice arpu is around Rs. 240. It was 600 a long time ago. Worldwide, revenue shifted from voice to value added and data services. But I dont think the arpu for broad band is not Rs. 1000. Most of the connections sold in India are lower. >> 6. The small players can not set up decent infrastructure. Even in so >> called advance markets, there are only very large players in the ***deleted *** > Wait right there. Are you quoting those numbers just like that or do you > have any basis for them? I have done good amount of work in this sector. The figures are based on facts and figures from projects and reports. > Look at my first reply. Leased lines in India > are now costing nearly the same as that of the international markets > No. Anyway, it is not local leased lines, it is international data lines that make the difference. Do you know the cost of providing cable internet services in mumbai ? -You need to buy a bandwidth (Bharti, MNTL, Reliance). at 1:1 and not 1:4 compression -Then you need a local loop operator and pay local loop charges to the locality -Then you need to create and implement an POP (Point of presence) -Then you need to have fiber from the POP to the building -Then you need to local access point in the building to terminate fiber -Finally you will need to take a local wiring to the subscriber's place ***deleted *** > With VoIP being legal in India they are fearing that their Telecom > business will take a hit if they give out broadband connections. Who in > their right minds will pay a telco for a telephone call when he can > make free PC2PC, PC2POTS calls at dirt cheap prices? > PC2POTS calls will need to have a termination charge (see my previous mail). Termination Charge in India (local call) is 30 paisa. Add that to VOIP call cost, well, BPL charges me - Rs. 49 per min. MTNL charges Rs. 1.20 per 3 minute Mumbai to Delhi. VOIP still has a benefit only in International Calls. ****deleted****> > Well that is your usage pattern. But some people do like to contribute > to the legal torrent networks out there. Some people do like to stream > music, videos, have online conferences and like to watch online clips. > Some people actually use the internet for fun. Some people actually > visit youtube.com. Some people actually need to upload large files to > FTP servers for their work. Some people like to download, update their > favorite Linux distros. And some people do use Fedora Core 5 whose > installer / updater is configured by default to use YUM as their back > end and it becomes PAINFULLY slow when one has to wait several hours > for something to download and install. > Such people will therefore need to pay for the additional usage. That is the rule world wide, you pay for what you use. > ****deleted*** > Wake up and smell the coffee! This is not the shell era anymore. The web > is a rich multimedia experience which is hampered only by these slow / > data limited (but fast) connections. I wouldn't mind if these operators > put good amounts of download limits. I mean 40-60GB cap on a 256Kbps > connection is decent... > The connection is available is available, MTNL provides it, but you need to pay for it. 2 mbps, 60GB data limit....... Dont expect to get what you are not willing to pay for. You see, I smell the coffee every day. I work with numbers and with the kind of data you dont have and can only hear about. We use rich cross continent client application in our clients offices, We do voip and video conferencing, we upload and download files which are at times in GB. We work on massive databases and huge graphic imageing files, flash and streaming content files (all ofcourse at our clients offices as it is their work, not mine). Some time back, we did a marketing campaign run for a client where a rich image email was to sent out to 1.8 million registered users of a service. That is huge bandwidth requirement. But in each case, we are willing to pay for the bandwidth, you want to use the same bandwidth but do not want to pay. Regards Saswata

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] Who's the best police in the world?
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

On 7/9/06, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote: > > Mumbai Police is the second best worldwide, > > who are the best? I think its the Scotland Yard. The Scotland Yard and the Mumbai Police are supposed to be the quickest to respond and have the most efficient and intelligent detectives. Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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Unable to read DVDs in Ubuntu
by bombay news 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

How does one get DVDs to open in Ubuntu? I have a couple of DVDs from Digit magazine to check out. I followed several tips from the websites like installing mc, dvd:rip, etc, but no go. However CDs immediatly create a file on the desktop.... get the following error messages: 91 audio & 204 video codecs Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts. Opening joystick device /dev/input/js0 Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory Can't init input joystick Setting up LIRC support... mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing dvd://1. libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd File not found: '1' Failed to open dvd://1 ------------------- shivkumar@shivkumar-desktop:~$ sudo ln -s /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/cdrom' to `/dev/dvd': File exists pl advise. sk _________________________________________________________________ Fall in Love... Get married! Join FREE! http://www.shaadi.com/ptnr.php?ptnr=msnhottag

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] bandwidth patterns
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

> Well, I have noticed a trend among Winblows users that they use P2P to > download a LOT of pirated software and applications (so called warez) > and a huge amount of movies (read pr0n). If you visit all major Indian > torrent forums, you will see that almost all of them have some type of > broadband connection. > As for me, I do mail (which eats up a lot of traffic), then IRC (which > is also pretty heavy considering the number of channels and servers I am > in) and APT (which is also considerable). That eats up 1 GB each month, > many times even more than that when I dist-upgrade or something. > Well I have been using Linux since the days I did not have an Internet connection..and believe me without an internet connection its pretty difficult to get a Linux box do all the things that a windoze box would do(I am talkin about multimedia capabilities..for office stuff its fine coz OO.o is mostly preinstalled). Also the various dependencies etc take up a lot of downlaod MB's. I have a friend of mine who was actually finding it very difficult to manage all his yum downloads within the 400MB limit in TriBand. I am more fortunate to have unlimited download internet connection. What I wanna say is that average bandwidth usage is actually more in Linux than Windoze(p2p excluded) as the most common software in windoze like Winamp will be readily available from a friend as compared to say xine-libs ,libdvdcss and kaffeine!! (but what the heck..I still like Linux )For my part ...I need around 4-5GB per month for my Linux updates plus music downloads. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Airtel Broadband In Mumbai
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Quoting jtd: > On Sunday 09 July 2006 02:12 am, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > > On Sunday 09 July 2006 01:37, Harsh Busa wrote: > > > I still donot see monopoloy anywhere . i donot understand this . > > > they donot have a billing system in place ... they donot have > > > field staff trained and etc etc hen why would you even go with > > > them even if they gave cheaper than 999 a month ! ... such > > > services wud be called beta and sud be marked free :D > > > > How many players are offering services in the same / similar > > segment? Only one. Thats airtel. Well then it is called monopoly... > > That is a virtual monopoly. There is no restriction on anybody setting > up an Internet service. It is not commercially viable outside limited > pockets to provide "propah" internet services. PC densities are > abysymal and usage patterns even worse. Moreover it is going to stay > that way until voice and voip is unshackled by babudom. At that point > small players will start creating the infrastructure neccessary for a > decent service. > This is an interesting point of view, but I am not sure of its validity. What is implied by 'propah'? The valuation of costs on the basis of downloads in entirely an artefact and bears little or no relation to the actual costs. How much are the other costs (I don't want to know someone's business plans, but merely an idea of the real cost of doing business as an ISP)? I am not sure we have members here who are or represent ISPs, but at least DB used to work for one and can perhaps enlighten us. If commercial organisations do not see value in providing an ethical service, then we need to evolve other models. I find it hard to believe that voip/voice is the only missing element that can make or break a data networking service. I hope I am not repeating something everyone knows (or that I may have posted already) but there will be a conference in Dharamsala in October this year (summit.airjaldi.com) focusing on wireless data naetworking for rural development. Issues of FLOSS will be prominent - I do hope some of you take an interest and sign up to conduct workshops/lectures on practical matters that may help nascent rural network operators understand better how to create viable networks. Or even urban service providers, but so far wifi seems to be the sole preserve of a few fantastically priced hotels and airports. --- Vickram

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Re: OEM, Ubuntu derivatives, FSF India
by Roshan 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

> What do you mean by ``creating'' a Edubuntu > Live CD? When I restarted my computer with Edubuntu CD inside the CD-ROM drive, it showed me Install to Hard Disk Install a workstation among the other common ones. There was no explicit menu for it to function as a LIVE CD. Hence the question! Please let me know, if I am supposed to select the option of Install to Hard disk, which later on, will give an option to select as a LIVE CD or install it. > It's the only > organisation of this type in Asia. Great! >http://gplv3.gnu.org.in/Main/Conference Is there a specific group of target audience ? The webpage states "We need to write about who the conference is meant to reach out to." __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Linux 2.6.17-3 and GF FX5200
by jtd 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Has any one tried 2.6.17-3. 2.6.8.1 (sarge i386) keeps crashing on boot with a GF FX5200se agp card on an i845 mobo (onboard vga disabled). However booting with on board graphics enabled is fine. Strangely running X with Xinerama with both on board and the FX5200 and two monitors works like a charm - except for tvout on the FX5200 Was wondering wether to use 2.6..17-3 or 2.6.16-20. -- Rgds JTD

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[OT] Skype and Debian AMD64
by Kartik Mistry 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Hi, Anyone have Skype+AMD64 working together? (Don't want chroot!) -- ------------------------------------- |Kartik Mistry |kartik.blogspot.com | | 0xD1028C8D |kartik.wordpress.com| -------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SuSe 10.1 issues
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

Well regarding the VCD problem....even in my FC5 box , VCD's dont play in Kaffeine(I tried for the first time yesterday.) But they played perfectly in Mplayer. With the Xine libs and w32 Dlls I could play MPG file extracted from VCD in Kaffeine. So I think its the problem with the new mounting system in SUSE and Fedora.(the one without the fstab entry)..till then use Mplayer. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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OEM, Ubuntu derivatives, FSF India
by Roshan 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

A few questions, few Off-topic, and few others related. 1. What differs in a OEM product and a boxed product? This is in terms of CD-RW / DVD-R/RW drives. I have heard, in OEM drives its core (circuitry) is supplied by the original company, whereas, the casing etc, are assembled by the other. Boxed product include all necessary manuals, software and the drive is manufactured entirely by the company. Can someone confirm this? 2. I have received Ubuntu CD's of 6.06 (Dapper Drake) and 1 CD of Kubuntu, and 1 CD of Edubuntu, I had ordered for. Has anybody tried Edubuntu? Has anyone created a LIVE CD for Edubuntu? 3. From one of the emails in the previous lists, I came across, http://www.gnu.org.in. I didn't know, this portal was up, because, I visited only the internal pages of http://www.gnu.org (Philosophy, why GNU/Linux, etc). But, something that encourages me to be even more enthusiastic about, is that FSF India appears pretty distinguished on the website gnu.org Is it among Asian countries, that, India, is the only country, to have a portal and an active community of FSF? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by bombay news 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

Dear linuxers, The Mumbai Press Club is the latest to join the Linux bandwagon. The Club is providing a platform to demonstrate the benefits of Ubuntu Dapper to journalists in the city. Need volunteers to help break media persons into linux and other open source software like Scribus and GIMP the equivalents to Quark Express and Photoshop that are the main tools of the profession. It should be not take more than an afternoon and evening during a weekend (Friday/Saturday). Those interested may drop in a line at journoshiv (at) gmail.com so that we can work out a schedule. I am sure this would be an ideal opportunity to get more converts for Open Source. Regards Shiv Kumar Special Correspondent The Tribune, Mumbai. _________________________________________________________________ Who will win Bollywoods most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

> Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at > Bombay Press Club > To: linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org > Message-ID: <1152119993.44abf4b93a36b(a)qmail-a.directi.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Quoting Steven Joseph: > > > > > Hmm... techies who are into art and type setting........... > > A rare breed, i must say. > > > > It is also possible... and very desirable... to have a bunch of people into > art > and typesetting here to sharpen their skills on Gimp, Scribus etc. > > Vickram In fact, and probably I am at fault for not asking this before or even googling for it, are there any app user groups within the Indian Linux community? It seems to me this is probably the best way to get some sharp usage of apps and therefore linux based desktops accelerated. Most of the problems posed here on this list appear to be related to desktop or server issues. Someone made a rude ;-) comment about GIMP and scribus in re comparisons with better-known proprietary tools. I have used the former, not the latter, and in many ways it is as convenient as Photoshop. I saw a Scribus presentation at a major trade fair and was really impressed (I have used both Adobe and Quark). Vickram

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LPI certification - prep tutorials
by Arun K. Khan 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

FWIW, LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 prep tutorials by IBM. 1. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/views/linux/libraryview.jsp 2. Topic/Product> Select Certifications 3. Type> Select Tutorials 4. Keyword> enter keywords w/o quotes "lpi exam topic" -- Arun Khan (knura at yahoo dot com) The number of arguments is unimportant unless some of them are correct. -- Ralph Hartley

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Microsoft Sponsored ODF plugin
by Harsh Busa 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2006/07/microsoft_sponsored_odf_plugin.h… <snip> Some very interesting ice thawing out there, and I'm not talking about the arctic tundra (though that's melting too at a rather disturbing rate …). Gerald Bauer, a friend and noted expert in the XUL space twigged my attention to a recently deployed Source Forge project to develop an Open Office ODF plugin for Microsoft Word 2007 (http://odf-converter.sourceforge.net/). While there are a number of participants involved, what I find most interesting is this entry: Microsoft (Funding, Architectural & Technical Guidance and Project co-coordination) While this may be simply a tacit recognition of the writing on the wall, I find it fascinating nonetheless that this is being done 1) as a source-forge project, 2) with both funding and apparent blessing from Microsoft, and 3) that it seems to be a very real effort to reach out to the OSS community in a meaningful way on a technology that could be seen as directly competitive. Watch that space closely - I sense that there are shifts and strains going on at the intermediate management level within Microsoft that may prove to be critical for the evolution of the company in the next several years, and this quiet little project may be simply the vanguard of this approach. </snip> -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Netgear Wireless PCMCIA Card in RHEL 4 WS
by Richard 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

Hi, I have been trying unsuccessfully to get my Netgear MA521 PCMCIA Lancard work under RHEL 4. According to Google, it has a RTL 8180 Chipset and the driver provided in the Realtek website doesn't work with my version of the kernel. Anyone has been successful in getting it worked?. Thanks, Richard

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[Commercial] Cheap Linux, OSS CDs/DVDs
by Raseel Bhagat 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

Hi Everyone, check this link out for Cheap Linux and OSS CDs/DVDs : http://osd.byethost8.com/ Thanks, Raseel. Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

> thats cool but Dr.Nagarjuna's PhD student (forgot her name) gave an > excellent presentation on LaTeX. It'll beat the crap out of any > software. Her name is Ms. Meena Kharatmal. > Do correct me if I am wrong. I did keep away from this thread because I > am neither an expert in Photoshop/Pagemaker/Corel Draw or their > equivalents in Linux. Same here. Cheers, Debarshi

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linux firewall : query
by Vijay Kale 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

Friends, I have one firewall with 4 NIC's , two are connected to ISP's (suppose ISP1 and ISP2) link and other two to 192.168.0.0 and 10.0.1.0 network and have in house mail server 192.168.1.8 running qmail. Current setup is like this: 192.168.0.0-->ISP1 10.0.0.0 --->ISP2 Now my problem is: When ISP1's link goes down i should be able to access mails using ISP2's link. For this to work i have configured two mx entries in my DNS server one IP from ISP1 and other from ISP2.and assigned these two IP's to firewall. i'm able to ping to these IP's from outside. Now when ISP1's link is down, i'm able to ping firewall with IP of other ISP2. but not able to access mails. 1. In this situation How should i configure the firewall to accesss mails in case of link failures. 2. Will i need routing to be configured for this setup to get it working. hope any one answers this query. Regards, Vijay --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on Yahoo! India Click here

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