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getting started on Linux OS
by bhushan naik 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

hi. can the linux and windows both stay on one system? is it easy to use linux like windows on a standalone machine? can i learn to use linux basic by myself if install in on my machine? is there any site which would be helpfull? is it ok to use linux for the internet and everyday use? and where can i get the Linux OS? thank you --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

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InkScape Presentation.
by Komal 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

http://www.wixsonit.com/buggerit/assets/inkscape_klug_presentation.pdf Regards, Kmal

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Re : Inquiry on training institutes on Linux (Manoj Bohara )
by Manoj Bohara 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

Dear Group Members , I thanks to all of you ppl for replying me back , and i also welcome all the feedbacks . I have never joined a mailing list , this is a first one i ever joined so my idea was that if we have group of ppl who know much much more better than me , so there shouldnt be any hesitation on my side to ask such a question . To the ppl who say "learn on your own ": - I sincerely thank all of you ppl for making me remember this old formula which works . I agree to it since some timeback even i was a tutor (Mathematics) . I am a strong believer of "God helps who help themselves" . However there is one more important fact that we have to accept is thatone cannot move ahead unless given the right direction and advice from the ppl who have been through the same process . Others : Friends you ppl have been very encouraging in your response to my question . I thank all of you for providing me the right resources and the right advice . Thanking all of you for all your responses , i accept and take it positvely and would not mind asking any such questions in future since this is the way we learn , isn't it (look smiley ) :- ) ? Best Wishes Manoj Bohara --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online & more. Check it out!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

On Sunday 26 June 2005 15:18, Trevor Warren wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > In fact i have stopped talking price with customers > > (i collect > > the M$ tax u see) and focus on a zillion other > > things which shreds > > everything that billy baba and 2000xp chors can > > throw. > > [snip] > > No worries JTD, as long as we have IIM babus running > commercial organisations like those at redmond such > reports are bound to surface. > > Infact, the report did give me a lot to ponder. You > know terence, managing networks with 500-1000 nodes > with MS can be a real nightmare especially when > patching the machines on a daily basis is more of a > norm. MS has an architecture in place seamless across > distributions to push these patches across the entire > enterprise. How much of this works....you know better. they pretend to have such an architecture in place. On friday a bank had to inaugurate two branches down south. Internet ex plodder would not connect to the central server, although routes and ports were absolutely fine. so check the router, check the nics, call up regional hub at 0230 hrs. reinstall win2k. Finally re-reinstall win2k on about 25 machines with a cd from another branch everything works. The cd that came from the software repository has the latest patches and was supposed to be installed on all machines but was delayed for some reason. U can imagine the catastrophe avoided by shear luck. > > With FLOSS in a network as big as the one consisting > of 1000+ nodes you will realise that management-patch > scheduling-upgrades are the most significant part of > the TCO. snip > Having worked with numerous distros i still feel the > need for ubiquitous patch management mechanisms is a > must. Redhat with RHN comes close and but again isnt > seamless across distros, dpkg and yum are other > options which need to still scale to enterprise > requirements. Thus until this problem continues to > prevail we shall have organisations moving away from a > total migration to FLOSS. But this is a IT managment issue. Standardize the hardware first. Next standardize the distro. And have tight SLAs. Without these even FLOSS cannot generate a golden bullet. But IMO a regional repository is extremely useful in driving down costs. The bottom line is that M$ will eventually come down to a capital cost on par with FLOSS so start focussing now on the things that they simply cannot compete against. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

On Saturday 25 June 2005 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hows this: > http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=61173 Stupid - to put it mildly. More correctly put you would not expect the financier pay to have his pants pulled off in public. Particulary one as disease ridden as m$. The first big hole is that the survey questionaire is not available. Worse the research firm Meta Group Inc who audited the survey instrument and associated cost model, are a known microsoft shill. Threat and vulnerability analysis without source code is as scientific as the daily fortune column in midday - ridiculous to say the least. So please do not post links to a study of M$ vs rest of the world. They are always funded my some M$ shill and the results are full of shit. If somone thinks that his M$ systems are cheap all the best to him while the penguins circle to pick off his business. In fact i have stopped talking price with customers (i collect the M$ tax u see) and focus on a zillion other things which shreds everything that billy baba and 2000xp chors can throw. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (ManojBohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

On Thursday 23 June 2005 21:40, Manoj Bohara wrote: > Dear Members, > My name is Manoj Bohara. Friends i needed > some information regarding linux OS courses . Hi Manoj, There are a few, most prominent being RH and Novell-Suse. > I am deeply > intrested in linux system programming field. The above courses have very little to do with programming for anything, let alone the linux kernel. They're aligned towards system administration. Google to understand the various "flavours" of programming. > Also i needed guidance on how should i go about it . Reading books on systems, oses and programming is one method. Other methods could be story listening and pavlovian conditioning. The last method is in wide spread use as it produces code of a unique quality known as sphagetti. Most "programmers" know this learning and programming environment as Visual xyz, running under an os known as windows. Rumours say windows and associated apps was written by microserfs conditioned to click icons at a furious pace, which by magic produces sphagetti code. > necessary C/C++ in depth to learn such Linux subjects . One other method, in addition to the first, used widely in writing libre software is reading the source code. Both methods are highily recommended. Besides producing code of a very high quality, it is known to produce immunity to pavlovian conditioning and actually winds up teaching the reader to write code. > Thanks in anticipation Oh you are welcome ;-)). rgds jtd

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linux is costly!
by Kenneth Gonsalves 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

hows this: http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=61173 -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.org.in ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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Are they gettitin it?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Not quite.But the IT ministry seems to have crwaled outa the cave. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0,39020384,39205447,00.htm Sonia Gandhi launched distribution of 3.5million cds conatining OO and Firefox. That should deliver a neat whack to internet ex plodder. do mail the link to bank admins that dont support FF. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

On Saturday 25 June 2005 15:24, Rony Bill wrote: > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > hows this: > > http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=61173 > > This may be a dumb question :) but why does linux need to be > patched??? We select a distro based on its success reports and it > is anyway configured to be secure. > > It should not be a problem for free distros to add automatic > updaters in their software to update just like microsoft's updates. Every piece of software suffers from some vulnerability or bug. These may allow the system to be ow3nd by some cracker or reduce the performance of the system. Hence systems need to be patched. Apart from the above improvements in the software also necessitate patches / upgrades. The cost of patching is not the price of the patch but the system downtime and manpower costs. Most distros do have autoupdates. In any case it is easy to setup a cron job to do updates. But in large systems you dont want to do auto anything because large number of other mission critical appps are running and patching one part may cause problems in another. M$ takes the cake for this. So you download the patch check what the heck it is patching in the first place. Decide if it is worthy enough before shoving it up your system. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Has anyone compared Visual Basic/COM programming withequivalents in the Linux world ?
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Hey Sriram, I work on COM too but its not with VB, we use VC. I was looking for a COM eqivalent in linux and CORBA is the closest u can get. I dunno of any ide that helps with CORBA development, besides i think ppl have lost interest in it. Do let me know if u find anything. Anand. -----Original Message----- From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Sriram N Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:07 PM To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Has anyone compared Visual Basic/COM programming withequivalents in the Linux world ? Hi all: I'm an Eclipse platform developer, and I also program in Visual Basic 6 using COM style interface driven development. (Really, I'm a frameworks developer.) Thinking in objects has caused me to shun the conventional data driven development that's typical in Visual Basic 6. My work is MVC based and I've been designing COM components and reusable user interfaces in Visual Basic 6 when required. My questions: 1. Are there other such programmers on this list ? 2. Could any of the programmers on the list tell me if GNOME/KDE programming has an equivalent of Visual Basic so far as a development environment for writing class code is concerned ? I know of the Gnome-Java bindings and of libgnome, but I was just curious to know the general programming trends and preferences of the list members. Also, I know that I can google out this information, and perhaps play with Glade , etc, but I'm more interested in meeting other programmers such as myself. -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux(Manoj Bohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

On Friday 24 June 2005 20:48, Nadeem M. Khan wrote: > But joining a course which > requires extensive hardware (routers, switches) like CCNA is > probably justified. IMO no. All they teach you is syntax for their bash shell. You will learn far more about networking by using a linux box as a router. Look at the qos and queing facilities in linux. Ask any CCNA to setup two queues with specialised qos parameters on a cisco router and see. rgds jtd

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Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (Manoj Bohara)
by Manoj Bohara 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Dear Members, My name is Manoj Bohara. Friends i needed some information regarding linux OS courses . I am deeply intrested in linux system programming field . If anybody knows of any institute in Mumbai which gives the right training and project to work on , i request to him/her to pass this information to me , it will be go great help to me since i am not aware of any institute in Mumbai . Also i needed guidance on how should i go about it . Is it necessary C/C++ in depth to learn such Linux subjects . Thanks in anticipation Best Regards Manoj Bohara --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux(Manoj Bohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

On Friday 24 June 2005 08:22, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > Most of the guys who > propagate this 'learn on your own' crap are guys who have 3-5 years > of formal education in computers, on which basis they are now > capable, to a certain extent, of learning on their own. incidently, > on a personal note heard tell you were going for german classes - > how come you didnt learn german on your own (I did). And 3~5 yrs it does take to learn - in or outside a formal institution. The difference is that inside you will view the world thru the prof's blinkers - and most of those are very colored. IMO learning outside is far better, inspite of the hurdles and occassional hot reception to (ahem) dumb questions. > I would > suggest that unhelpful replies like this be avoided. If a guy asks > for info about courses available, either give the info or refrain > from adding to the noise on the list. The op's (non) question itself shows that the person has probably never even installed linux on his machine leave alone written a line of code for anything at all. It his duty to first aquaint himself with the basics before diving into the deep end. And besides the hot answers there were cool ones too. Kind of nice balance. rgds jtd

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 26, Issue 38
by bhalla.v.k. 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: >Part1.2 > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > 1. RE: User name and password at the booting --how tooverride? (VKB) This is regarding that longish message that got attached with the mail sent through an intranet server. I really do not know what kind of algoritham or to prevent spasam mails the sys admin sent it with my mail. My query remains. Regards. b.v.kumar ----------- Disclaimer: This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressed individual or entity. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. It must not be printed, read, copied, disclosed, forwarded, distributed or used (in whatsoever manner) by any person other than the addressee. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may constitute unlawful act and can possibly attract legal action. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. If you have received this message in error, you should destroy this message and may please notify the sender by e-mail. Thank you. -----------

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ILUG-BOM Wiki
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Hey Anurag, r we getting the wiki ?? Anand.

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Has anyone compared Visual Basic/COM programming with equivalents in the Linux world ?
by Sriram N 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi all: I'm an Eclipse platform developer, and I also program in Visual Basic 6 using COM style interface driven development. (Really, I'm a frameworks developer.) Thinking in objects has caused me to shun the conventional data driven development that's typical in Visual Basic 6. My work is MVC based and I've been designing COM components and reusable user interfaces in Visual Basic 6 when required. My questions: 1. Are there other such programmers on this list ? 2. Could any of the programmers on the list tell me if GNOME/KDE programming has an equivalent of Visual Basic so far as a development environment for writing class code is concerned ? I know of the Gnome-Java bindings and of libgnome, but I was just curious to know the general programming trends and preferences of the list members. Also, I know that I can google out this information, and perhaps play with Glade , etc, but I'm more interested in meeting other programmers such as myself. -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux
by Venkatesh Hariharan 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

For those interested in Red Hat's training programs, the following links will be useful: http://www.in.redhat.com/training/rhce/ A list of Red Hat training centers is available at: http://www.in.redhat.com/training/service/locations.php3 Venky

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upgrading kernel patch
by Karia Amit 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi all, I have solaris 9 with kernel Generic_112233-11 patch i want to enable ssh with ftp in this server ,please guide me as in how should i make kernel compatible so that i can enable ssh with ftp , Also tell me the same procedure in linux would be a great help..

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database of Linux ISP settings for India
by Rai, Vivek BGI UK 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi All, I am working on creating a localized distribution of Linux, and was hoping to add the Provider database for India to the KPPP package. That way, we can have KPPP preconfigured for various Indian ISP's for various locations in India. Linux users in India could be spared from re-inventing the wheel each time they want to connect to an ISP. For this, we need to get details from any connections which work fine. You guys can help me with this - and this will eventually help all of us. Could you guys mail me your $HOME/.kde/share/config/kppprc? (of course with the username / password removed ), and any other valuable experience + setup details that you thing could be helpful to others? Hopefully, we would get all the "correct" setttings included in the next version of KPPP, get the settings verified, and connecting to various Indian ISP's will be smooth in future. Till such time, I can probably sort them by ISP/Locations and keep the file on the internet somewhere. Oh yes, and please also send your ISP and Location with the $HOME/.kde/share/config/kppprc Many Thanks, Vivek email vivek.rai(a)gmail.com

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HSP 56 micromodem (internal modem) driver
by saurabh daptardar 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, Has anybody installed HSP56 micromodem (PCTel) (internal modem) on Fedora Core2 -- 2.6 kernel. If yes, please enlist the steps in detail including the source from where you got the driver. Note: I have tried driver provided at http://<http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/> linmodems.technion.ac.il/*pctel*-linux/<http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/> on various distributions fc1,slackware,redhat9,ubuntu etc. but without much success Regards, Saurabh

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VPN through pptpconfig.
by Rajendra Rait 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, I am trying to configure VPN through RedHat Fedora core 3 using pptpconfig. But land up with this error Using interface ppp0pptpconfig: monitoring interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/2 anon warn[open_inetsock:pptp_callmgr.c:317]: connect: Connection refused anon fatal[callmgr_main:pptp_callmgr.c:123]: Could not open control connection to *****the ip address of the vpn server******* anon fatal[open_callmgr:pptp.c:426]: Call manager exited with error 256 Modem hangup Connection terminated. pptpconfig: pppd process terminated by signal 16 (failed) pptpconfig: SIGUSR1 Is it that i can only connect pptpconfig using an dialup or adsl connection, what i am trying is to connect the VPN using my local LAN, is that possible or i am just wasting my time. If this is the case any other software through which i can achive my goal. Also i forgot to mention the VPN server i am trying to connect is a Windows box. I have done the VPN configuration using the sorgeforge url for fedora 3. I simply followed the steps from the URL but it didn't work. Please help me. Thankyou in advance. Regards, Rajendra Rait.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutesregarding Linux(Manoj Bohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

On Friday 24 June 2005 10:50, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Friday 24 Jun 2005 10:22 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > And 3~5 yrs it does take to learn - in or outside a formal > > institution. The difference is that inside you will view the > > world thru the prof's blinkers - and most of those are very > > colored. IMO learning outside is far better, inspite of the > > hurdles and occassional hot reception to (ahem) dumb questions. > > the point i am making is the concept of 'the best learn by > themselves' which is simply not true. Self help, as i have already > mentioned, is a crucial component of learning - but only one > component. > Tiger woods is the best golfer in the world - but has a > coach, so for Anand. Maria Sharopova's father flew to florida with > $700 in his pocket - why didnt he stick in siberia and encourage > his daughter to learn by herself? Sania Mizra's biggest weakness is > fitness and is running from pillar to post trying to find a fitness > coach - surely she could learn to keep fit on her own by reading > books, watching TV and googling? In fact the only guys who > subscribe to this self-taught crap is the indian hockey federation > - and they are wallowing in deep kaka. You are mixing unrelated learning processes. Sports is a mix of several discliplines - kineselogy, physiology, psychology, material sciences etc. which you could ofcourse aquire by googling. But you cannot implement it on yourself cause it involves observing yourself while traning. Besides doubling the time to train this requires experience to discern cause and effect - not very observable outside a very well equipped lab. Hence you require a mentor - coach - not formal education although that helps. ( Self glorification - trained in the distant past in swimming and water polo for 8 yrs and continue to practice karate under Shihan Pervez B. Mistry from 77 to 83 and 2000 till date). And the hockey team needs to get rid of pompous IHF officials more than anything else. > > formal training imparts certain fundamental skills and discipline > which can only be appreciated by ppl unfortunate enough not to have > the benefits of the same. It also, to a great extent, prevents one > from reinventing the wheel - i just spent 20 hours on debugging an > app due to an error so simple that it has never been mentioned in > any HOWTO or tutorial as it was considered too elementary to be > worth mention. Believe me that happens with everyone :--( That is why you need peer review and debuggers and ofcourse access to the source. > > There is only one area where self taught is best - where you are > breaking new ground and venturing where no man has been before. And > this does not apply to the instant case. And that happens to be the case with computing and programming. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (Manoj Bohara)
by Raseel Bhagat 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 Manoj Bohara wrote : >Dear Members, > My name is Manoj Bohara. Friends i needed some information regarding linux OS courses . I am deeply intrested in linux system programming field . If anybody knows of any institute in Mumbai which gives the right training and project to work on , i request to him/her to pass this information to me , it will be go great help to me since i am not aware of any institute in Mumbai . > Hi Manoj, Concept Systems conduct Linux Device Driver and Linux Internals course in Pune and I think they have started classes in Bombay too. I remember getting their mail once announcing the same. But I advise you to mail/phone them and ensure. www.conceptssys.com >Also i needed guidance on how should i go about it . Is it necessary C/C++ in depth to learn such Linux subjects . You HAVE TO know C atleast at the intermediate level to venture into Linux systems Programming. You can make do without C++, but its always better to know it too. Also you should know basic shell scripting. And as everyine keeps repeating do things on your own as much as possible. Start visint the umpteen sites on Linux Internals, start browsing the code.. and THEN join a course with basic understanding of OS concepts. It'll much easier and effective for you then. I myself have been trying to get into the internals for quite some time, but the learning curve is becoming longer for me. There is so many fascinating things to know, implement and redesign that it takes quite a bit of time to get REALLY well-versed. Have Patience and determination. Raseel. Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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User name and password at the booting --how to override?
by bhalla.v.k. 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

Hi, Friends! I have a dual boot operating system which boots in Mandrake ver 9.1 Linux as a default if i do not select Window option. Linux is demanding to a local host user name and a password, i have forgotten these . What step i have to take ? I am absolute beginner. Pl. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rm me either through list reply or at the email address : vkbhalla(a)npcil.co.in : Attention B.V.Kumar Thanks. B.V. Kumar ----------- Disclaimer: This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressed individual or entity. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. It must not be printed, read, copied, disclosed, forwarded, distributed or used (in whatsoever manner) by any person other than the addressee. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may constitute unlawful act and can possibly attract legal action. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. If you have received this message in error, you should destroy this message and may please notify the sender by e-mail. Thank you. -----------

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linux packet drops
by Sonali Gupta 22 Jun '05

22 Jun '05

Hi, We are using Snort on Linux in the binary packet capture mode (capture and log in tcpdump format). We find packet drops even at 5 Mbps bandwidth which we feel is very low for the hardware we are using. We would be grateful if you can provide any suggestions on the issue. Hardware used: HP Proliant DL 140 G2. Dual processor, processor speed 2.8 GHz with 512MB RAM and 72 GB SATA HDD, Gigabit network card. Operating system: Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES Version 3. Snort version: Snort 2.3.0 The OS is a default installation. We are not running any software other than snort on the system. Observations: We find that the drop is related to HDD writes. If there are no hard disk writes, then there is no drop even at 80 Mbps. We tested this by using a rule in snort which rarely matches, so that snort hardly logs any packets. We also found that the drop increases when the I/O is high, irrespective of whether it is being done by the same process (snort) or a totally unrelated one. We created a high I/O scenario by doing copy of a huge file (3GB) periodically while snort is running. Even this triggered packet drops. So, to summarize, we see packet drops in sniffing whenever there is disk I/O happening. We do not suspect the HDD of the machine, as we were able to simulate the problem in two other totally different systems also. Regards, Sonali

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