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Micronet ADSL Modem setup
by John Marder 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi! I use FC3 at home and I have taken a Touchtel/Airtel DSL Connection. The trouble is that I want to use my Micronet USB ADSL Broadlink SP3302 Modem in Linux. This modem comes with drivers only for Windows. I checked the manufacturer's website. Though they want their products to work with Linux, they donot support Linux(??). I have also checked the eciadsl Linux driver page. No mention of Micronet's products over there either. This modem connects directly to the USB port and does not go through an Ethernet card. Can you help me use this modem in Linux? What do I need to do? Thanx John

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 13:12, Amol Hatwar wrote: > BTW, I have a 80386 board lying somewhere with a AMD CPU and IIT That should be ITI? > Co-prcessor 4MB Ram. Lemme know if anyone is interested :) U will need an isa hdd/fdd controller with separate cable for head and controller. I have a 1994 (afair) 486 -66 working with 16mb. Used to run RH linux 6.0. strictly no X. I dont have an old 200mb disk. The bios cant recognize a larger drive and the 16bit isa card is too slow for a new 2gb drive. But i should be able to make it whiz with some floppy based linux. Also i remember having to do a low level format on the 10MB drives before partitioning. One method was to run debug and jmp to 0x5c ( afair). This would start a low level format. Also have a massive hard drive with a transparent top which lets u see the inside of the drive, platter, filters, head et al. connectors are oxidised tho. Should keep all the junk running. Should be a hearty laugh 30 yrs from now. rgds jtd

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 25, Issue 47
by Puneet Lakhina 24 May '05

24 May '05

> > And about windoze or M$ bashing , i guess the desktop worrld can > > learn from it a lot and anatgonism is never gona be helpful windoze > > does have some good features thats why so many people use it.... > > And like it or not M$ is good at marketing what its got no matter > > how crappy. Moreover MS is the company that over the years has made > > the least amount of bad business decisions. > > Going by the fines they have paid (> $3billion) does not look like > that at all. It is not even good at marketing (wether M$ has it or > not is not even relevant to them), it simply robs other companies > of their ideas and then fights in court until the opponent goes > bankrupt. In lay mans terms it's called bullying. > > > So take the good from > > M$ and Windoze rather than just bash it... I mean Lotus made > > mistakes IBM did .. > > >Lotus did not make mistakes. M$ changed the win APIs and not only > >did not provide it to other vendors (Novell, Lotus, IBM etc) but > >also deliberately introduced bugs to prevent the victims software > >from running. That is what those fines were for. > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint u got to play dirty and fines well the fines have been for anti monoply suites whr M$ which just reinforces the point that they v got power to do what they like wats 3 billion to microsoft nothin much i would say... and wat hapnd to the bundeled IE case against m$ doesnt look like there is much headway and netscape can go on reinventing itself from borrowed code, it aint doin any good

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 13:09, Amol Hatwar wrote: > > Oh dear. You coud not live without pctools. And sidekick. And > > changing some byte to make the prince of persia invincible or to > > jump to level 10. > > Changing a byte? Wasn't it "makinit" :)? No. I edited some byte using de. One byte decided the runlevel and two others energy. Actually traced it out using Borland turbo debugger. That inspite of being able to reach level 10 in about 30 minutes. I must have been seriously retarded then. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Eclispe meet
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

*snip* >Met too, i also attended the first ILUG Bom meeting and the eclispe guy was >amazing. He said he is an open source Evangelist and then the glorious >question came. But i think we should commend the guys who organised it. I >mean the meting fulfilled its purpose at least for me it got me an insight >into the pluggable eclipse architecture . So now its upon us to explore. And >the second part of the session was real cool esp the QnA session brought out >some rela good qs. All said and done, the meet was worth my time. Now only if I could get Eclipse installed... The main download page has a big bold link for Windows while Linux downloads are hidden behind the link 'Other downloads for 3.0.2.' Are these the people that are pushing open source for 'ON DEMAND' business ? What do I download for RHL 8 the GTK2 zip or the MOTIF zip? The OSDL guys were quite forthcoming about the work that they do. Nice work whoever was behind the scenes.. Gishu

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Eclispe meet
by Puneet Lakhina 24 May '05

24 May '05

>>Hi, >>Is it just me or is that Rony really gets slugged a lot everytime he mentions Windows on this list. >>* I attended my first LUG Meet yesterday. There was a demo on Eclipse from some heads from IBM -"Open Source" is the basis of "ON Demand" business, which made absolutely no sense to me. In the QnA that ensued, someone popped a q asking if their pluggable architect. mimics emacs. The IBM guy apparently did not know his Open source that well and he popped the magic question 'Is emacs open source?' (uproar-jeering-chaos for someone who sure is not coming back for an encore). Linux in India lacks general awareness. Met too, i also attended the first ILUG Bom meeting and the eclispe guy was amazing. He said he is an open source Evangelist and then the glorious question came. But i think we should commend the guys who organised it. I mean the meting fulfilled its purpose at least for me it got me an insight into the pluggable eclipse architecture . So now its upon us to explore. And the second part of the session was real cool esp the QnA session brought out some rela good qs. And about windoze or M$ bashing , i guess the desktop worrld can learn from it a lot and anatgonism is never gona be helpful windoze does have some good features thats why so many people use it.... And like it or not M$ is good at marketing what its got no matter how crappy. Moreover MS is the company that over the years has made the least amount of bad business decisions. So take the good from M$ and Windoze rather than just bash it... I mean Lotus made mistakes IBM did .. ciao, pl

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Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by M.R.Anand 24 May '05

24 May '05

Why is it that we keep bringing up the same old topic of windows vs linux from a user's point of view?? I've programmed for/on windows before (dont flame me for this) and would really like to know how linux compares to M$ on the development front. It would be really usefull if someone could throw some light on - dll, COM, windows api equivalents on GNU/Linux. I doubt there exist a common api (for GUI) since there r different options available for different window managers. But then again x server is common. I really have limited knowledge on this front so i may be totally of the mark here. Also i'm aware about python and java which allow the program to be platform independent, but i'm looking at equivalent to M$ technologies here. Since Linux was not designed ground up as a replacement to windows but infact unix (did i get my facts right?) so there is bound to be some difference in the structure or api or whatever its called (i think its called the programming model...??), thats the difference i'm looking to understand. Anand. PS: "users" never learn untill they lose their precious data, so till then let em keep using M$.

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[Fwd: Printfu in India]
by Anurag 24 May '05

24 May '05

[Cross-Posted Again :-) ] Can someone in Mumbai take this up? People would love to get their PDF downloads printed and delivered at door steps. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 14:22, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: > *snip* > > >Missing a minor detail.M$ has patents on large portions of the > > .Net architecture. They have granted a royalty free in perpetuity > > licence to the C# and CLI portion of the technology only. Other > > portions are licenced on different RAND terms. In short pay for > > commercial use. You are courting disaster, particularly with a > > Company as horrendous as M$. > > AFAIK the CLI is the specification submitted to ECMA. > http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.h >tm The CLR (similar to Java VM) is the implementation of CLI, which > is owned by Microsoft. So (a big hypothesis coming up) if I wanted > to write a new implementation of the CLI, would I be required to > pay anything to MS ? Not clear on this. No. Mono is one such FLOSS project trying to implement the dotnet framework. But even they are cluless about any M$ patents that they might be violating. The general feeling is that Miguel & co. are more likely than not to be in violation. The problem is that reading the patents automatically taints you, thus preventing you from doing anything useful. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by Dinesh Joshi 24 May '05

24 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >And to all the nay-sayers that viruses in Windows exist only because it is >popular, read the fine print. Unix-like operating systems have been around >for decades now. The unix environment and architecture is much older that >Windoze offers. So theoretically, there should be more virii and exploits >in >the GNU/Linux world isn't it? The reason why this doesn't happen is because >of something we call "Architecture". Plus, the source code for Linux kernel and GNU apps have been around for atleast a decade. When you have the source code it's easier to write exploits, virii but it just doesn't seem so with GNU/Linux ;) Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

*snip* >Missing a minor detail.M$ has patents on large portions of the .Net >architecture. They have granted a royalty free in perpetuity licence >to the C# and CLI portion of the technology only. Other portions are >licenced on different RAND terms. In short pay for commercial use. >You are courting disaster, particularly with a Company as horrendous >as M$. AFAIK the CLI is the specification submitted to ECMA. http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm The CLR (similar to Java VM) is the implementation of CLI, which is owned by Microsoft. So (a big hypothesis coming up) if I wanted to write a new implementation of the CLI, would I be required to pay anything to MS ? Not clear on this. Thanks, Gishu

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Mohanram Gudipati 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi, I have an AMD64 with Fedora core 2. It works just fine. I tried a Gentoo install, but I kept having problems with my RAID card. Fedora was painless. Hope this helps. Cheers, Mohan "Laziness is an optimisation protocol" ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> To: "'GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India'" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Sent: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:52:09 +0530 Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers- > > bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Joshi > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:07 PM > > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 > > > > >From: "Richard Chang" <richard(a)hinditron.com> > > > > > >Would like to know which FC3 kernel can we load on the AMD Athlon 64 > > 2800+. > > >Is it FC3-x86_64 ot the FC3-i386 kernel. Anyone who is using the above > > >mentioned processor with LINUX ?. > > > > You'll need to use the x86-64 kernel. > > Or if you have the time and inclination you can try installing > Gentoo from Stage 1 > > Regards, > > ah > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers ------- End of Original Message -------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 12:34, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: Satya <ilugbom(a)thesatya.com> > > Dude, you have some major misconception here. Let me clear it up. > > >It compares much better, as I can write useful production code > > without having to pay someone hundreds of dollars. I do this for > > a living, too. Oh, and the code is usually plain text so you can > > hack with a text editor and don't need an IDE-- though you can > > get those, too. > > You don't need to pay microsoft a penny to write code, compile it > on their .NET platform, sell it, distribute or any kind of > commercial activity with *your* software. Missing a minor detail.M$ has patents on large portions of the .Net architecture. They have granted a royalty free in perpetuity licence to the C# and CLI portion of the technology only. Other portions are licenced on different RAND terms. In short pay for commercial use. You are courting disaster, particularly with a Company as horrendous as M$. One reason for .Net was M$ losing a court case to distribute their mangled version of java. So now they can use the patented portions of .net for tying in customers to their products and services while anybody else wanting to develop a similiar service pays royalty. At the same time they can shout that the technology is free and open which it is not. Btw IS NOT is patented by M$ Do post any pointers negating the above. " Beppe, As one of the inventors on that patent as well as the person heading up the standardization efforts for the CLI, I'd like to explain why I've never felt the two are in conflict. The ECMA process requires that all patents held by member companies that are essential for implementing its standards are available under "reasonable and non-discriminatory (RAND) terms" for the purpose of implementing those Standards. This is the normal condition used in all International Standards organizations, including both ECMA and ISO. But Microsoft (and our co-sponsors, Intel and Hewlett-Packard) went further and have agreed that our patents essential to implementing C# and CLI will be available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis for this purpose. Furthermore, our release of the Rotor source code base with a specific license on its use gives wide use to our patents for a particular (non-commercial) purpose, and as we explicitly state we are open to additional licenses for other purposes. " rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Dinesh Joshi 24 May '05

24 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > >Or if you have the time and inclination you can try installing Gentoo from >Stage 1 > What about the bandwidth? I thought you need to download the source for all apps from their site and compile it. Well, it does compile automatically but still... Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 11:35, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 23 May 2005 10:09 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Sob. The good old days. Funny that todays machines do pretty much > > the same thing a lot slower. Oh we do have better games than > > pacman and > > did you used to play parachute - i remember had to turn off the > turbo mode to play Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido games. Any one remember the first virus to strike our shores. I recollect the one which knocked chars off the monitor but dont recollect the name. This was in 86 or 87. Around the same time I wrote to UCLA for BSD 4.3. $150 for 30 floppies + postage came the reply. I never got around to ordering it tho. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by Abhishek Daga 24 May '05

24 May '05

--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido games. I remember changing the character names in digdug using PCTOOLS. and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i remember getting to 49500+ or something. After that I ended up upgrading to a 286 which made the game too fast. Also, Test Drive worked great on the machine. the ferrari though slightly slower than the mclaren had better handling. there used to be a command called Parkdisk to be used while transporting the hard disks. is there something similar nowadays that will prevent damage to HDDs while transporting?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > games. > > I remember changing the character names in digdug using PCTOOLS. Oh dear. You coud not live without pctools. And sidekick. And changing some byte to make the prince of persia invincible or to jump to level 10. > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > remember getting to 49500+ or something. You must be a verry patient guy. > After that I ended up upgrading to a 286 which made the game too > fast. Also, Test Drive worked great on the machine. the ferrari > though slightly slower than the mclaren had better handling. > > there used to be a command called Parkdisk to be used while > transporting the hard disks. is there something similar nowadays > that will prevent damage to HDDs while transporting?? They autopark now. The head gaps are so tiny that it will screw the disk if it does not park before the disk stops spinning. rgds jtd

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[OT] - Saving Private Rony
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi, Is it just me or is that Rony really gets slugged a lot everytime he mentions Windows on this list. * I attended my first LUG Meet yesterday. There was a demo on Eclipse from some heads from IBM -"Open Source" is the basis of "ON Demand" business, which made absolutely no sense to me. In the QnA that ensued, someone popped a q asking if their pluggable architect. mimics emacs. The IBM guy apparently did not know his Open source that well and he popped the magic question 'Is emacs open source?' (uproar-jeering-chaos for someone who sure is not coming back for an encore). Linux in India lacks general awareness. * The PDF Viewer crashed twice right there in the session. So it's not as if Linux apps don't crash. * My windowsXP boots faster than SUSE 9.1. This could be another area for Linux to improve on for laptop users. * Maybe I'm too stupid to use Linux (or MS turned my brain to mush), but I'd prefer a single installation file that works out of the box rather than zips that go "Segmentation fault" when I try to run the app. It does not matter whether I have Linux source, I wouldn't know how to fix it. This is one area where I feel Windows scores in rakin in the people. * There seems to be too much infighting with distros on this side (drivers released for x version for Distro A.. other distro users make yer own. It's open source. OR Buy Linux compatible hardware.) * Virus-wise I still feel it's because no one's interested as of now + a better base-system than MS. As long as stuff is made by humans, there will always be others who can break in. * Linux scores in the 'under the hood' department but is still yet to reach 'prime time' status. If there's some fine print that I missed, 'LUG Members need to be anti-MS zero-tolerance holier-than-thou fanatics', I'll be glad to step out; just let me know. Repeating a favourite quote 'The only reason that I can see this far is because I'm standing on the shoulders of giants'. Instead of bashing windows left and right, recognize the good aspects and take it to the next level. As a user, I don't care as to what goes on/runs underneath.. as long as it does what it supposed to do. no more no less. Finally to end my tirade, as Rocky Balboa said 'Hit me !' Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 10:51, Richard Chang wrote: > Rony Bill [ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk] wrote: > >Some questions: > > > >Why are viruses and trojans not created for linux? When linux > > overtakes windows in client machines, will there be a possibility > > of viruses and trojans being created for linux too? > > > >If a linux user surfs the net without a firewall and with java > > scripting active in his browser, will his system be prone to > > hacking attempts and key logging/password grabbing? Rubbish. > > > >Lets look at the issue in a practical way rather than randomly > > curse all windows users/installers. The OS is selected by the > > user. The installer has to follow market forces. The last sentence needs to add "into the big black hole" > > I totally agree with Rony. May be in future when Linux will rule > the roost, they may have a million more virii and worms than there > currently are on Windoze. Yeah so in the mean time you can enjoy all that s@#$ available on windows totally gratis. > As there will be many more poeple who can see the code freely, > there will be more experts who can exploit the code. And even more who can fix it. While on windows you dont even need the code to create exploits. That is one great plus for ease of (mis) use i humbly concede. > > And anything popular will have its own sworn enemies. Like Windoze > has. What can prevent M$ to exploit the code of Linux and invest in > maligning Man do you live on Europa (yeah it's habitable). M$ spends cold hard cash funding shills (why dont u try for some) to write fud and case studies to malign GNU/Linux. Some idiots are even convinced to not uninstall M$ crap after reading those. And a few find the time to ACTUALLY defend the pile. HA Ha ha. You made my day. > or crashing Linux like all the Windoze haters do right > now. After all it is free for all. ^ That should be fee for all. Windoze haters crashing windows ?. the crap fails to install on my chinese laptop with american cpu and korean ram and singapore hd and indian carrybag. The crashing happens later. But on my desktop I am in awe of windows parapsccho capabilities - my mere prescence makes it crash. Linux fails miserable to shut itself off in the prescence of linux haters. Once more i humbly admit that this feature is absent in GNU/Linux. rgds jtd

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Yesterday's GLUG meet
by Venkatesh Hariharan 23 May '05

23 May '05

Yesterday's GLUG meet on Eclipse attracted around 40 participants in Mumbai + 5 people from the Nagpur remote center of IIT Bombay's Distance Education Center. Zaheer Tavadi of IBM gave an overview of IBM's interest in open source and Ankur Goel of IBM gave an introduction to Eclipse. This was followed by a pleasant surprise. We had Tom Hanrahan, Engineering Director and Sean Madian, HR and Economic Development Director of Open Source Development Labs, home to Linus Torvalds. Tom and Sean are in India to get inputs and feedback on what role OSDL can play in India. Both the sessions were highly interactive with a great deal of audience interaction. I will be travelling next month so I request one of the GLUG list members to take up the btask of coordinating next month's GLUG meet. Venky

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Which Eclipse download for RHL 8 ?
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 23 May '05

23 May '05

I found the Eclipse IDE was pretty good with built in Refactoring and AutoTest support and I reached http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index.php and there a number of zips for Linux. What should I download for RHL 8? Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 23 May '05

23 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 15:06, Abhishek Daga wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > > > games. > > > > > > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > > > remember getting to 49500+ or something. > > > > You must be a verry patient guy. > > While touching wood, I must say that my epson lx 800 bought in 1990 > is still running strong. ofcourse very minor servicing and repairs > were involved, but insignificantly minor. > > Has anyone an older printer still in service? which model? and have > you spent a lot on it servicing? Citoh 132 col purchased 2nd hand in 1990 was last working in 2000. Havent tried it since. I think mfg date was 1987. No service other than oiling the head shaft. And epson fx1170 1994. Very heavy use. Self service for cleaning stationery punchouts and oiling the head shaft. I also have an Epson laptop (no jokes) - z80 with 64k ram and 320 x 128 lcd and 32k plugin rom. It has serial, parallel, micro printer and cpm + basic in rom. 1985 vintage purchased in akhiabara for $400. Will check if it still works today. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by Abhishek Daga 23 May '05

23 May '05

--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > > games. > > > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > > remember getting to 49500+ or something. > > You must be a verry patient guy. more than patience, i just had too much time on my hands. was a school kid so you can imagine the amount of time one can spare. While touching wood, I must say that my epson lx 800 bought in 1990 is still running strong. ofcourse very minor servicing and repairs were involved, but insignificantly minor. Has anyone an older printer still in service? which model? and have you spent a lot on it servicing? Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by Dinesh Joshi 23 May '05

23 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >Why all this finger-pointing? I am an unhappy Windoze user thanks to some >stupid company project; and I have to put up with the suffering everyday. > >As for the Windows support et al. According to what their ads on TV say, >Windows actually helps "start anything"... but mark my words, it also makes >sure that whatever got started stops working. Don't believe me? Learn some >C >and have a look at the stolen code floating around on the Net. Guys why the perpetual Windoze bashing? I am a Linux user hooked to my Linux system(s) 24x7 but I don't think its right to bash Windoze *all* the time. M$ does lie, cheat and extorts money from the users of "genuine" windoze but cut it some slack! It's after all a fool proof OS which IMHO GNU/Linux will never be. GNU/Linux won't ever reach the "ease" of Windoze because it needs intelligent users :) But there *is* something that GNU/Linux must learn from Windoze that when you're targetting the OS for an office/workplace environment then it must work out of the box. The users must not spend hours hacking the kernel to get something working or go through lengthy compilation process just to get a program going. I am very happy to see that most newer distros have shown significant improvement in this regards. >Would you put diesel in a petrol-driven car? You just can't throw hardware >at GNU/Linux and expect things to work. Before you buy that new gizmo, make >sure you have a look at the hardware compatibility lists. GNU/Linux >delivers >what it promises; if there's something it can't deliver, it doesn't >promise. Yeah, it's just that hardware vendors must make a Windoze driver otherwise their hardware wont survive in the market. Just try using an old scanner with windoze xp and see how much trouble you have getting it to work. I have a scanner which has XP drivers and is supposed to work correctly(according to M$'s website) but it doesn't. I have to yet come across a piece of hardware which Linux promises will work and it doesn't. Atleast with GNU/Linux you may be able to modify a newer driver to get it to work with the old scanner but in windoze there is no hope! >Why complain that Windows allows me to do this, and GNU/Linux doesn't allow >me to do it? GNU/Linux and Windows are different; not clones. Besides that >you'd be just complaining "there's no sauce on my burger". GNU/Linux world >is a self-service world; make your own sauce and pour. Hmm...maybe Gandhi or someone influenced it :) GNU/Linux incorporates the principle of Swawalamban (Self service?) >And JTD, get a life; choose a better subject line next time :P Hehe, good one! Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 23 May '05

23 May '05

On Sunday 22 May 2005 13:32, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Sunday 22 May 2005 9:24 am, Trevor Warren wrote: > > What did you run on this baby?. What were the > > applications one used those days. > 1986 - eiko pc, 4.xx mhz, 256 kb ram, one 360 kp floppy disk, green > monitor and hercules graphics card - used to run wordstar, quattro > pro and borland pascal. Wrote an online billing prog for a pub - > prog and data all on the 360 kb floppy Turbo pascal 6.0 and assembly for tsrs. We used that and some ISA boards to test SMPS, modems, interface to digital meters, grab images from line ccds for optical alignment of fax machines. My first home IBM pc was assembled in 85. I got the mobo from Golden Computer Plaza H.K. Pc XT 20Mb, 512+64K, Hercules Graphics 720 x 348 afair The PC turbo xt was a 8 Mhz 640Kb beast. It was the workhorse for the accounts dept. It ran dbase progs for inventory, accounting and payroll. The 286 16Mhz with a maths coprocessor was for the gearheads - myself and a few mech engineers - running autocad, circuitmaker (an excellent pcb layout package written by another bunch of gearheads in mumbai), pal and epld design packages. Our productivity jumped 100x inspite of the fact that you ran a EPLD compile or a Design rules check overnight. The accounts dept. would get all worked up knowing that the gearheads had a very fast machine, particularly when we would let the consultant who wrote the dbase-clipper stuff to run on our 286. I had "networked" the machines via the serial port - 19600bps - to cross backup files with 30 mtrs of cable. And a few months later 2400bps dialup Tarapur mumbai - with 10 disconnects for a single transfer - still beat the office boy with floppies. Oh the joy of the gearheads, accounts and purchase depts. Sob. The good old days. Funny that todays machines do pretty much the same thing a lot slower. Oh we do have better games than pacman and very nice viruses - "good morning joshi" was a bit boring. rgds jtd

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