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Re: [ILUG-BOM] List usage guidelines
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

On Wednesday 29 June 2005 07:38, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 9:11 pm, Rony Bill wrote: > > The word 'anyways' is so glaringly wrong that everytime anyone > > uses it anywhere, I feel like yelling, "No No its not anyways its > > anyway anyway man !!". > > sorry to burst your bubble - anyways is now correct english. > Anythang in fairly widespread use becomes a correct thingie in > english - that is one of the beauties of english. > Arrey yaar get with it man That is Hinglish. You should read some Chinglish on other mailing lists. Or Italinglish or Frenglish. The english on this list would please the queen. Also the writers of the above dialects gradually improve their english writing skills, so i am all for gramatically correct written english. rgds jtd

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List usage guidelines
by Linuxers Admin 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

Please comment on this list usage guidelines. We had a discussion on this topic before. http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/listguidelines It has also been reported that some list members are unable to post messages/replies to the list. Please notify the list admin offline about your problem. -- List Admin

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GTK+ & C on winblows...
by Dinesh Joshi 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Hi guys, Due to unfortunate circumstances beyond my control I have been unwillingly forced to use GTK+ on the winblows platform. Now I miss my ol' RPMs, gcc etc... and I have reached a dead end!! I don't know what to install and where! I have downloaded the following things: 1. DevC++ (latest with mingw32) 2. glib-runtime 3. glib-devel 4. gtk+ runtime 5. gtk+ devel 6. atk runtime 7. atk devel 8. gettext runtime 9. gettext tools 10. libiconv 11. pango 12. pkgconfig All(except devc++) from this site: http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/downloads.html Now I asked uncle ol' google but he wouldn't give me a guide to install and get gtk+ apps compiling on windoze with devc++. So luggers please help me out here ... Thanks, Dinesh. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Spamassassin
by raj patil 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Hi, I am facing big problem in configuring spamassin for more virtual servers. Can any one give me best solution for same . Thax. --------------------------------- Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messages Only in Yahoo! Mail: http://in.mail.yahoo.com

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POP / IMAP Proxies
by Manish Kathuria 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Can someone suggest me some tested and stable POP / IMAP Proxy Servers for Linux ? - Manish Kathuria

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] List usage guidelines
by Arun Khan 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

> From: Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:08:47 +0530 (IST) > I'd just like that the static content we present to the world be > correct. In the same vein, I would like to suggest min. usage of Short Message Service (SMS) language on the list. While "Plz. think 2ice b4 u wud jmp off d cliff. Not bcoz sum1 told u 2 jmp." may look cute on the mobile phone displays; it may not be comprehensible to many, especially people from other culture(s) who see such messages through Google search. If acceptable, this may addressed in item 10. on the guidelines. -- Arun Khan <arunkha(a)gmail.com>

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SQUID Configuration....
by Vasudeo P Kelkar 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] POP / IMAP Proxies
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

>Can someone suggest me some tested and stable POP / IMAP Proxy Servers >for Linux ? Try Cryrus and Exim Anand.

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Running software ... off your thumb drive
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

This is from the "i.t." magazine, and an article written by Nimesh Dubey nimishdubey(a)yahoo.com -- which I found rather interesting. Some of it is Free/Libre and Open Source Software-related. -FN - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Can you install an operating system be installed on a thumb drive? This is not possible at the moment with a Windows or Mac OS. But GNU/Linux is very much of an option. See Flash Linux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/flashlinux Includes hardware detection, auto configuration and a Gnome 2.8 desktop. Also comes bundled with an office suite, a browser and some other basic applications. You'll need a 256 MB thumb drive to install all of this. Windows CE works on a thumb drive, using the Windows CD Device Emulator. It works only with a Windows PC. See more at http://blogs.msdn.com/smakofsky/archive/2004/12/20/328001.aspx Office suites: OpenOffice is your best, and so far only, option. You'll need plenty of space (about 90MB) if you wish to avail of all its features. You can download it from http://johnhaller.com/jh/useful_stuff/portable_openoffice/ The OpenOffice website states that you will need at least 256MB capacity to be able to run OpenOffice on it. But the author says you'd probably need a 512MB one if you wish to save documents as well as install and use other applications on it. AbiWord is being supported with some tweaking by Craigweb -- http://craigweb.net/abiwordftd/ You can download AbiWorld from http://sourceforge.net/projects/abiwordftd Mozilla's Portable Thunderbird is a runaway winner in the category of thumbdrive-based email clients, says Dubey. Download from http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_thunderbird/ Mozilla rules supreme in the browser category too. Download from http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_firefox/ Want an organiser/planner? EssentialPIM allows you to access your daily schedule as well as phone numbers and addresses from any computer, without even going online. http://www.essentialpim.com Mozilla also has a calendar application called Portable Sunbird, but it is much more basic in nature, and suitable only for scheduling and reviewing appointments. See http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_sunbird/ Music players anyone? XM Player is http://www.un4seen.com/download.cgi?xmplay32 -- it's just 300KB! Hope you find this useful. FN

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] stop software patents!
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

-----Original Message----- From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Shakthi Kannan Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:58 PM To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] stop software patents! Hi, --- Svaksh <svaksh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Cant say how much impact it will have on India Software patents have been banned in India because of the good work by FSF-India. Sk -- proudly anti-micro$oft I not sure that they r banned completely, though certain clauses were removed from the final draft which was dud to the FSF's (india chapter) efforts. Hey btw this is not a M$ haters list (just curious about ur signature) its a FLOSS believers list.

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Linux Tuitorial
by Gokul Kannan Jeyapaul 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Hello guyz, First of thanks to one and all for helping me getting connected to internet using Red Hat Linux.. I appreciate the groups a lot.. As i already mentioned i do have personal passion towards Linux...Now i wanna start my study of linux..Pls guide me through this..Where shud i start from???Any resource pointers??PDF's...Thanks in advance Also i wud keep bugging u guys then n there with all my silly and unworthy doubts so plsssss bear with me... Regds, Gokul

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] FOSS Essay
by Sameer Niphadkar 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

> > This is the essay paper > > http://www.geocities.com/sniphadkar/FOSS.pdf > >i would love to respond to this, but i find it very difficult to >comment on a pdf document - could you put up an stx or html version >so readers can snip and comment? >-- Sure ! would upload in xml very soon. We had to present the paper in pdf format by default, hence the problem. Anyways thanks for your interest. rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by Vickram Crishna 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

At 12:37 AM +0530 6/27/05, Trevor Warren wrote: >--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > >> In fact i have stopped talking price with customers >> (i collect >> the M$ tax u see) and focus on a zillion other >> things which shreds >> everything that billy baba and 2000xp chors can >> throw. >[snip] > > No worries JTD, as long as we have IIM babus running commercial >organisations like those at redmond such reports are bound to >surface. Actually, it also has a sprinkling of IIT walas. Just a few, here and there. No lack of ability. Just good old organisational dynamics at work. > Infact, the report did give me a lot to ponder. You know terence, >managing networks with 500-1000 nodes with MS can be a real >nightmare especially when patching the machines on a daily basis is >more of a norm. MS has an architecture in place seamless across >distributions to push these patches across the entire enterprise. >How much of this works....you know better. Don't ever confuse working 'better' with 'perception of deliverables'. This is what kept IBM afloat in the years before MS became a standard in the industry. It's what has kept Apple from dominating the desktop. Question is, just how 'big' is the market for networks of 1000+ nodes, and how big is it for much lesser numbers of nodes? > With FLOSS in a network as big as the one consisting of 1000+ >nodes you will realise that management-patch scheduling-upgrades are >the most significant part of the TCO. This in effect drives the need >to acquire systems that the average "techie" can deal with. I tend to think that if someone studies it honestly, the results will show that applications that deliver business solutions across networks are the key - one of which may well be the ability to deploy patches remotely and securely, but let's not fool ourselves: such apps are only appreciated by techies/sysads. If you want to win hearts and minds, you have to deliver to the foot soldiers, but whether you do that or not, the big bucks get sanctioned by the big bosses. The paradigm of centralised apps, from ye olde mainframe days, is returning with web based applications becoming more powerful (in terms of deliverables). The tech issues are moving from those managed by maintenance techies to problems of security and speed. However, this is not yet obvious to senior management, which fears the lack of security, but does not understand yet how the issue of security itself has morphed. With many large organisations (and therefore, in good old copycat or 'safe' mode, most smaller ones too) still favouring MS platforms for application serving, it will take more time for FLOSS to reach the business sector. What is painful and painfully obvious too, is the fact that too many non-business sector organisations also favour the safety of numbers. I suspect this is an opportunity that too many of our listmembers are ignoring. But more on this separately. -- Vickram

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Connecting Sify Broadband Red Hat Linux 9
by Gokul Kannan Jeyapaul 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Hello Friends, Im new to Linux..To be frank im a beginneer..without much knowledge on linux.But yes i do have a personal passion and love for linux I want to configure my Red hat linux 9 to sify broadband...Im having a ethernet card..I want to know how to configure it to connect to Sify Broadband and also i need to know the url from where i can download sify client for linux to connect.. Any resource pointers(url) or any kind of help is apprecianble...Thanks in advance..hope this group makes a linux beginner a pro soon :-) Thanks in Advance. regds, Gokul

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: getting started with linux OS
by Roshan 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

> Sometime Today, R cobbled together some glyphs to > say: Sir, what do the above lines mean? > > >can the linux and windows both stay on one > system? > > > > Yes. They both can stay on one system but not on > one partition > > See WinLinux. Oh wow!...I did not know, that such a thing was existing!...Superb!..The only thing I think that it is not as popular as the others because, most people have switched from Windows 98 to 2000/NT/XP... And I have Windows 2003 (180 day trial) so, wont be able to try WinLinux (co-incidently) 2003! Thankyou for this piece of vital Information!... _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 _______________________________________________________ Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! http://in.mail.yahoo.com

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Re: getting started with linux OS
by Roshan 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

hi. >can the linux and windows both stay on one system? Yes. They both can stay on one system but not on one partition >is it easy to use linux like windows on a standalone machine? It would be a bit time consuming using it at the initial stages as you would expect things to be as it in windows (which is not the case) >can i learn to use linux basic by myself if install in on my machine? Yes, if you wish to and you are determined that you can learn it. You can also install it on your machine on you own. However, there are distros (if you are a bit paranoid) which can be run directly through the CD's. is there any site which would be helpfull? There a lot ....You cannot number them....However, http://www.tldp.org http://www.linuxquestions.org http://fedora.redhat.com and many more.... is it ok to use linux for the internet and everyday use? Yes surely...and u need not install third party utilities as *many* distros (forgot, different distributions of linux are called distros) come with good bunch of applications. No worrying about Viruses worms etc.... and where can i get the Linux OS? many places.... Digit Magazine was one where I obtained Three CD's of Redhat Linux 9.0 However, if you have a good internet connection (>64 Kbps) you can download from http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html (Linux disto that can Run from CD) http://fedora.redhat.com (Most widely used in Indian offices (Redhat based linux) , which, u have to install... and there are just many more... However, I wud recommend to start with Knoppix. After you download the ISO of Knoppix, you have to burn the image (I hope you know the options in NERO) and use it. Then u change your first bootable device in BIOS to CD-ROM/Writer and put the CD in the corresponding drive before your OS boots. thank you Always welcome ;) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends n family photos for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. http://in.photos.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Tuitorial
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

> As i already mentioned i do have personal passion towards Linux...Now >i wanna start my study of linux..Pls guide me through this..Where shud >i start from???Any resource pointers??PDF's...Thanks in advance Personally I have yet to come across a good book on Linux. Authors bounce off topics after just touching the surface. It's just too big and too many distros. But a book will help you get your installation up. Then you need access to internet => google / mailing lists. After that it's running into things, posting, fixing, learning, rinse and repeat > Also i wud keep bugging u guys then n there with all my silly and >unworthy doubts so plsssss bear with me... Don't worry u will get flamed if it falls in that category 8-). Ignore em and move right ahead... Gishu

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stop software patents!
by Svaksh 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

hi, on 6th of July, the European Parliament will vote on "software patents" and if approved will codify US-style Software Patents in the EU. http://noepatents.eu.org/index.php/NO_Software_Patents and http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/ Cant say how much impact it will have on India (i think it will) but we can definitely protest so if any list members who have websites are interested they can participate in the "web strike" or put up banners until the vote. here is the link : <http://noepatents.eu.org/index.php/Web_Demo_Against_Software_Patents> -- svaksh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] VPN through pptpconfig.
by Rajendra Rait 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Hi Amitay, Thankyou for your email. Which other client should i use, i am just aware of pptpconfig, from a windows box it connects well, i have problem configuring it from fedora 3. Rajendra Rait. Amitay Isaacs wrote: > On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 12:48 +0000, Rajendra Rait wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to configure VPN through RedHat Fedora core 3 using > > pptpconfig. > > > > But land up with this error > > > > Using interface ppp0pptpconfig: monitoring interface ppp0 > > > > Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/2 > > anon warn[open_inetsock:pptp_callmgr.c:317]: connect: Connection > > refused > > anon fatal[callmgr_main:pptp_callmgr.c:123]: Could not open control > > connection to *****the ip address of the vpn server******* > > anon fatal[open_callmgr:pptp.c:426]: Call manager exited with error > > 256 > > Modem hangup > > Connection terminated. > > pptpconfig: pppd process terminated by signal 16 (failed) > > pptpconfig: SIGUSR1 > > > > Is it that i can only connect pptpconfig using an dialup or adsl > > connection, what i am trying is to connect the VPN using my local LAN, > > is that possible or i am just wasting my time. > > > > If this is the case any other software through which i can achive my > > goal. > > > > Also i forgot to mention the VPN server i am trying to connect is a > > Windows box. > > > > I have done the VPN configuration using the sorgeforge url for fedora > > 3. I simply followed the steps from the URL but it didn't work. > > >From the logs it appears that your windows box is refusing incoming > VPN connections. Make sure that you can connect to your windows box > using any other client. > > Make sure you have proper password configured in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets. > Also ensure that the kernel module for MPPE compression is loaded > before you start your PPTP client. > > Amitay. > -- > The body is 97% water. The rest keeps it from drowning. > > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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COMMERCIAL: Part time :Linux teaching
by SN Embedded 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Dear Luggers, We require people to teach Linux Basics on part time basis. Please send in your resumes to snembedded47(a)rediffmail.com. Thanx Regards, SN Embedded (Staff)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] getting started on Linux OS
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

On Sunday 26 June 2005 18:20, bhushan naik wrote: > and where can i get the Linux OS? Linux is not an os. It is the kernel for an os. The os you would be interested is GNU/Linux. First try knoppix. It is a bootable live GNU/Linux cd. The cd allows you to run gnu/linux without installing anything to your hard drive. If you have a dvd drive i could give you PCQuest Debian sarge dvd Price Rs.70 + courier charges. Alternately could some list member offer him Sarge on cds? rgds jtd

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Fwd: [Indix Developers' Workshop]
by Nagarjuna G. 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

----- Forwarded message from "Alka S. Irani" <alka(a)sarathi.ncst.ernet.in> ----- > Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:56:18 +0530 (IST) > From: "Alka S. Irani" <alka(a)sarathi.ncst.ernet.in> > Subject: Indix Developers' Workshop > Hello everybody, > > Will appreciate if you can nominate a person for this workshop. > It is free for deserving students/FOSS enthusiasts! > > Regards, > > > > -- alka > > (also available on http://staf.ncst.ernet.in/alka/workshop.pdf) > > IndiX Developer's Workshop 27 June - 1st July 2005 > Call for Participation > > What is this workshop? > > X11 is the dominant Graphical User Interface on Unix and GNU Linux > workstations. Developed twenty years ago at MIT, X11 has a network-transparent > client server architecture with multiple applications running on > client machines anywhere on the network. The X11 Server running on the > workstation controls the display and input hardware and provides > the X11 services including text and graphics to the user. > > Initially X11 could display only Latin (English) text. With Internationalization > several attempts were made to enable X11 to handle other scripts. > For complex text like Indic scripts, most of the attempts aimed at > enhancing the X11 client to cook the Indic text and present the > almost fully cooked text to the X11 Server. > > IndiX rebelled against this apartheid. If the X11 server handles the > fonts and converts Latin text characters to glyphs on the window screen, > it should do the same for Indic scripts. > > IndiX has analysed text processing in Latin and Indic scripts and > abstracted the basic interfaces required for text input, editing and > display. IndiX bases its characters to glyphs processing on the > ISO\/IEC 10646 model. So, for example, all the characters of an Indic > syllable are treated as an indivisible unit like a single Latin > character and presented for conversion to glyph at the lowermost > level of the font. It is the font that has to form conjuncts > and other shapes and place them appropriately. In IndiX these > operations are not carried out at the higher levels as a text layout > operation. The first figure shows how X11 handles Latin text for > simple display. The second shows how IndiX enhanced X11 displays > Indic text. > > X11 is a large, complex and working software. The IndiX development team > wishes to share with other developers, > its experience with enhancing the text processing components > of X11. > > > Outline of the workshop > > X11 architecture, and text processing. > Indic text processing. > Building X11 system. Source tree, Configuration, Imake and Make. > Debugging X11 modifications. > Enhancement of X11 Server. > UTF-8 to UCS-2 conversion. > Script based selection of font. > Formation of conjuncts (Substitutions). > Positioning. > Enhancement of X11 Client. > Interaction between Page and Text layout with XDrawText. > Syllable handling. > > > The participants will be grouped into teams of two. Each > team will be given a bare X11 environment without any > Indic support. A test program to display Indic text > will be run and it will show blank boxes. The participants > will then carry out the stepwise enhancements, the Indic characters > will start appearing crudely at first. Finally, by the end of the > week the display should be befitting Indic scripts. > > The workshop will be conducted by Sandeep Rao and Vinod Kumar, > developers of the IndiX Project. > > Who should attend? > This workshop is not for users of X11 or IndiX. It is for > developers who maintain, and enhance X11, specifically its > text processing sytem. The emphasis is on Indic text processing > under the X11 architecture and not on Indic text processing per se. > We seek to limit the number of participants to less than ten. > Developers who have already enhanced or modified and recompiled X11 > would be welcome and we as well as other participants would > like to benefit from these experienced developers. In that way, > the workshop hopes to bring together and foster X11 development > experience in India. > > Schedule and Venue > Mon, June 27, 2005 to Fri, July 1, 2005 > Lecture Theatre, > C-DAC Mumbai > Gulmohar Cross Road No 9 > Juhu VileParle > Mumbai 400 049 > > Phone: 022 26201606 > email: indix(a)ncst.ernet.in > > > > No fees for deserving Students and Open source volnteers > Workshop fee: Rs 5000/= > > > How to apply? > Please send an email to indix(a)ncst.ernet.in by 26 June 2005. > We shall confirm your registration on 26 June 2005. > Your email should be with the following details. > > Name, Organization and Responsibility > Prior development experience with X11. > What do you expect to gain from this workshop? > Any suggestions on restructuring or refocussing the workshop. > > On confirmation please send your cheques of aforementioned amount, > drawn in favour of "C-DAC, Mumbai" and send it to our office address. > > IndiX Developer's Workshop > C-DAC Mumbai > Gulmohar Cross Road No 9 > Juhu VileParle > Mumbai 400 049 > > > Dr Alka Irani, > Sr Research Scientist, > C-DAC (Mumbai) > (formely National Centre for Software > Technology, Mumbai, India) > Tel: 91-022-2620 1606 > 91-022-2202 4641 > > > ----- End forwarded message -----

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FOSS Essay
by Sameer Niphadkar 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Hi, This is the essay paper http://www.geocities.com/sniphadkar/FOSS.pdf which I submited to the Department of Informatics, School of Economics and Commercial Law, Göteborg University, Sweden. (I had taken up a research course there which deals with the political impact of open source software) Hope to get some feedbacks from you guys as it deals with the "Impact of FOSS on Modern Standards" rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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swap partitions
by Komal 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

What are the maximum number and size of swap partitions in Linux kernel 2.6 and 2.4? Thank you Regards Komal

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bind / named error
by saurabh daptardar 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Hi, I am trying to set up DNS server (bind) on fedora core 2 (kernel 2.6) I got the following error: code: t@localhost nag2]# named -g Jun 26 22:00:47.841 starting BIND 9.2.3 -g Jun 26 22:00:47.842 using 1 CPU Jun 26 22:00:47.845 loading configuration from '/etc/named.conf' Jun 26 22:00:47.846 listening on IPv4 interface lo, 127.0.0.1#53 Jun 26 22:00:47.848 command channel listening on 127.0.0.1#953 Jun 26 22:00:47.849 ignoring config file logging statement due to -g option Jun 26 22:00:47.849 couldn't open pid file '/var/run/named/named.pid': Permission denied Jun 26 22:00:47.849 exiting (due to early fatal error) I have chmod named.pid to 777 and running 'named' as root Please help me out. Regards, Saurabh

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getting started on Linux OS
by bhushan naik 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

hi. can the linux and windows both stay on one system? is it easy to use linux like windows on a standalone machine? can i learn to use linux basic by myself if install in on my machine? is there any site which would be helpfull? is it ok to use linux for the internet and everyday use? and where can i get the Linux OS? thank you --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

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InkScape Presentation.
by Komal 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

http://www.wixsonit.com/buggerit/assets/inkscape_klug_presentation.pdf Regards, Kmal

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Re : Inquiry on training institutes on Linux (Manoj Bohara )
by Manoj Bohara 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

Dear Group Members , I thanks to all of you ppl for replying me back , and i also welcome all the feedbacks . I have never joined a mailing list , this is a first one i ever joined so my idea was that if we have group of ppl who know much much more better than me , so there shouldnt be any hesitation on my side to ask such a question . To the ppl who say "learn on your own ": - I sincerely thank all of you ppl for making me remember this old formula which works . I agree to it since some timeback even i was a tutor (Mathematics) . I am a strong believer of "God helps who help themselves" . However there is one more important fact that we have to accept is thatone cannot move ahead unless given the right direction and advice from the ppl who have been through the same process . Others : Friends you ppl have been very encouraging in your response to my question . I thank all of you for providing me the right resources and the right advice . Thanking all of you for all your responses , i accept and take it positvely and would not mind asking any such questions in future since this is the way we learn , isn't it (look smiley ) :- ) ? Best Wishes Manoj Bohara --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online & more. Check it out!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

On Sunday 26 June 2005 15:18, Trevor Warren wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > In fact i have stopped talking price with customers > > (i collect > > the M$ tax u see) and focus on a zillion other > > things which shreds > > everything that billy baba and 2000xp chors can > > throw. > > [snip] > > No worries JTD, as long as we have IIM babus running > commercial organisations like those at redmond such > reports are bound to surface. > > Infact, the report did give me a lot to ponder. You > know terence, managing networks with 500-1000 nodes > with MS can be a real nightmare especially when > patching the machines on a daily basis is more of a > norm. MS has an architecture in place seamless across > distributions to push these patches across the entire > enterprise. How much of this works....you know better. they pretend to have such an architecture in place. On friday a bank had to inaugurate two branches down south. Internet ex plodder would not connect to the central server, although routes and ports were absolutely fine. so check the router, check the nics, call up regional hub at 0230 hrs. reinstall win2k. Finally re-reinstall win2k on about 25 machines with a cd from another branch everything works. The cd that came from the software repository has the latest patches and was supposed to be installed on all machines but was delayed for some reason. U can imagine the catastrophe avoided by shear luck. > > With FLOSS in a network as big as the one consisting > of 1000+ nodes you will realise that management-patch > scheduling-upgrades are the most significant part of > the TCO. snip > Having worked with numerous distros i still feel the > need for ubiquitous patch management mechanisms is a > must. Redhat with RHN comes close and but again isnt > seamless across distros, dpkg and yum are other > options which need to still scale to enterprise > requirements. Thus until this problem continues to > prevail we shall have organisations moving away from a > total migration to FLOSS. But this is a IT managment issue. Standardize the hardware first. Next standardize the distro. And have tight SLAs. Without these even FLOSS cannot generate a golden bullet. But IMO a regional repository is extremely useful in driving down costs. The bottom line is that M$ will eventually come down to a capital cost on par with FLOSS so start focussing now on the things that they simply cannot compete against. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

On Saturday 25 June 2005 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hows this: > http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=61173 Stupid - to put it mildly. More correctly put you would not expect the financier pay to have his pants pulled off in public. Particulary one as disease ridden as m$. The first big hole is that the survey questionaire is not available. Worse the research firm Meta Group Inc who audited the survey instrument and associated cost model, are a known microsoft shill. Threat and vulnerability analysis without source code is as scientific as the daily fortune column in midday - ridiculous to say the least. So please do not post links to a study of M$ vs rest of the world. They are always funded my some M$ shill and the results are full of shit. If somone thinks that his M$ systems are cheap all the best to him while the penguins circle to pick off his business. In fact i have stopped talking price with customers (i collect the M$ tax u see) and focus on a zillion other things which shreds everything that billy baba and 2000xp chors can throw. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (ManojBohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

On Thursday 23 June 2005 21:40, Manoj Bohara wrote: > Dear Members, > My name is Manoj Bohara. Friends i needed > some information regarding linux OS courses . Hi Manoj, There are a few, most prominent being RH and Novell-Suse. > I am deeply > intrested in linux system programming field. The above courses have very little to do with programming for anything, let alone the linux kernel. They're aligned towards system administration. Google to understand the various "flavours" of programming. > Also i needed guidance on how should i go about it . Reading books on systems, oses and programming is one method. Other methods could be story listening and pavlovian conditioning. The last method is in wide spread use as it produces code of a unique quality known as sphagetti. Most "programmers" know this learning and programming environment as Visual xyz, running under an os known as windows. Rumours say windows and associated apps was written by microserfs conditioned to click icons at a furious pace, which by magic produces sphagetti code. > necessary C/C++ in depth to learn such Linux subjects . One other method, in addition to the first, used widely in writing libre software is reading the source code. Both methods are highily recommended. Besides producing code of a very high quality, it is known to produce immunity to pavlovian conditioning and actually winds up teaching the reader to write code. > Thanks in anticipation Oh you are welcome ;-)). rgds jtd

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linux is costly!
by Kenneth Gonsalves 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

hows this: http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=61173 -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.org.in ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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Are they gettitin it?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Not quite.But the IT ministry seems to have crwaled outa the cave. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0,39020384,39205447,00.htm Sonia Gandhi launched distribution of 3.5million cds conatining OO and Firefox. That should deliver a neat whack to internet ex plodder. do mail the link to bank admins that dont support FF. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] linux is costly!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

On Saturday 25 June 2005 15:24, Rony Bill wrote: > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > hows this: > > http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=61173 > > This may be a dumb question :) but why does linux need to be > patched??? We select a distro based on its success reports and it > is anyway configured to be secure. > > It should not be a problem for free distros to add automatic > updaters in their software to update just like microsoft's updates. Every piece of software suffers from some vulnerability or bug. These may allow the system to be ow3nd by some cracker or reduce the performance of the system. Hence systems need to be patched. Apart from the above improvements in the software also necessitate patches / upgrades. The cost of patching is not the price of the patch but the system downtime and manpower costs. Most distros do have autoupdates. In any case it is easy to setup a cron job to do updates. But in large systems you dont want to do auto anything because large number of other mission critical appps are running and patching one part may cause problems in another. M$ takes the cake for this. So you download the patch check what the heck it is patching in the first place. Decide if it is worthy enough before shoving it up your system. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Has anyone compared Visual Basic/COM programming withequivalents in the Linux world ?
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Hey Sriram, I work on COM too but its not with VB, we use VC. I was looking for a COM eqivalent in linux and CORBA is the closest u can get. I dunno of any ide that helps with CORBA development, besides i think ppl have lost interest in it. Do let me know if u find anything. Anand. -----Original Message----- From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Sriram N Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:07 PM To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Has anyone compared Visual Basic/COM programming withequivalents in the Linux world ? Hi all: I'm an Eclipse platform developer, and I also program in Visual Basic 6 using COM style interface driven development. (Really, I'm a frameworks developer.) Thinking in objects has caused me to shun the conventional data driven development that's typical in Visual Basic 6. My work is MVC based and I've been designing COM components and reusable user interfaces in Visual Basic 6 when required. My questions: 1. Are there other such programmers on this list ? 2. Could any of the programmers on the list tell me if GNOME/KDE programming has an equivalent of Visual Basic so far as a development environment for writing class code is concerned ? I know of the Gnome-Java bindings and of libgnome, but I was just curious to know the general programming trends and preferences of the list members. Also, I know that I can google out this information, and perhaps play with Glade , etc, but I'm more interested in meeting other programmers such as myself. -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux(Manoj Bohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

On Friday 24 June 2005 20:48, Nadeem M. Khan wrote: > But joining a course which > requires extensive hardware (routers, switches) like CCNA is > probably justified. IMO no. All they teach you is syntax for their bash shell. You will learn far more about networking by using a linux box as a router. Look at the qos and queing facilities in linux. Ask any CCNA to setup two queues with specialised qos parameters on a cisco router and see. rgds jtd

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Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (Manoj Bohara)
by Manoj Bohara 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Dear Members, My name is Manoj Bohara. Friends i needed some information regarding linux OS courses . I am deeply intrested in linux system programming field . If anybody knows of any institute in Mumbai which gives the right training and project to work on , i request to him/her to pass this information to me , it will be go great help to me since i am not aware of any institute in Mumbai . Also i needed guidance on how should i go about it . Is it necessary C/C++ in depth to learn such Linux subjects . Thanks in anticipation Best Regards Manoj Bohara --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux(Manoj Bohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

On Friday 24 June 2005 08:22, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > Most of the guys who > propagate this 'learn on your own' crap are guys who have 3-5 years > of formal education in computers, on which basis they are now > capable, to a certain extent, of learning on their own. incidently, > on a personal note heard tell you were going for german classes - > how come you didnt learn german on your own (I did). And 3~5 yrs it does take to learn - in or outside a formal institution. The difference is that inside you will view the world thru the prof's blinkers - and most of those are very colored. IMO learning outside is far better, inspite of the hurdles and occassional hot reception to (ahem) dumb questions. > I would > suggest that unhelpful replies like this be avoided. If a guy asks > for info about courses available, either give the info or refrain > from adding to the noise on the list. The op's (non) question itself shows that the person has probably never even installed linux on his machine leave alone written a line of code for anything at all. It his duty to first aquaint himself with the basics before diving into the deep end. And besides the hot answers there were cool ones too. Kind of nice balance. rgds jtd

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 26, Issue 38
by bhalla.v.k. 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: >Part1.2 > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > 1. RE: User name and password at the booting --how tooverride? (VKB) This is regarding that longish message that got attached with the mail sent through an intranet server. I really do not know what kind of algoritham or to prevent spasam mails the sys admin sent it with my mail. My query remains. Regards. b.v.kumar ----------- Disclaimer: This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressed individual or entity. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. It must not be printed, read, copied, disclosed, forwarded, distributed or used (in whatsoever manner) by any person other than the addressee. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may constitute unlawful act and can possibly attract legal action. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. If you have received this message in error, you should destroy this message and may please notify the sender by e-mail. Thank you. -----------

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ILUG-BOM Wiki
by Anand, M.R. (GE Energy) 25 Jun '05

25 Jun '05

Hey Anurag, r we getting the wiki ?? Anand.

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Has anyone compared Visual Basic/COM programming with equivalents in the Linux world ?
by Sriram N 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi all: I'm an Eclipse platform developer, and I also program in Visual Basic 6 using COM style interface driven development. (Really, I'm a frameworks developer.) Thinking in objects has caused me to shun the conventional data driven development that's typical in Visual Basic 6. My work is MVC based and I've been designing COM components and reusable user interfaces in Visual Basic 6 when required. My questions: 1. Are there other such programmers on this list ? 2. Could any of the programmers on the list tell me if GNOME/KDE programming has an equivalent of Visual Basic so far as a development environment for writing class code is concerned ? I know of the Gnome-Java bindings and of libgnome, but I was just curious to know the general programming trends and preferences of the list members. Also, I know that I can google out this information, and perhaps play with Glade , etc, but I'm more interested in meeting other programmers such as myself. -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux
by Venkatesh Hariharan 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

For those interested in Red Hat's training programs, the following links will be useful: http://www.in.redhat.com/training/rhce/ A list of Red Hat training centers is available at: http://www.in.redhat.com/training/service/locations.php3 Venky

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upgrading kernel patch
by Karia Amit 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi all, I have solaris 9 with kernel Generic_112233-11 patch i want to enable ssh with ftp in this server ,please guide me as in how should i make kernel compatible so that i can enable ssh with ftp , Also tell me the same procedure in linux would be a great help..

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database of Linux ISP settings for India
by Rai, Vivek BGI UK 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi All, I am working on creating a localized distribution of Linux, and was hoping to add the Provider database for India to the KPPP package. That way, we can have KPPP preconfigured for various Indian ISP's for various locations in India. Linux users in India could be spared from re-inventing the wheel each time they want to connect to an ISP. For this, we need to get details from any connections which work fine. You guys can help me with this - and this will eventually help all of us. Could you guys mail me your $HOME/.kde/share/config/kppprc? (of course with the username / password removed ), and any other valuable experience + setup details that you thing could be helpful to others? Hopefully, we would get all the "correct" setttings included in the next version of KPPP, get the settings verified, and connecting to various Indian ISP's will be smooth in future. Till such time, I can probably sort them by ISP/Locations and keep the file on the internet somewhere. Oh yes, and please also send your ISP and Location with the $HOME/.kde/share/config/kppprc Many Thanks, Vivek email vivek.rai(a)gmail.com

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HSP 56 micromodem (internal modem) driver
by saurabh daptardar 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, Has anybody installed HSP56 micromodem (PCTel) (internal modem) on Fedora Core2 -- 2.6 kernel. If yes, please enlist the steps in detail including the source from where you got the driver. Note: I have tried driver provided at http://<http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/> linmodems.technion.ac.il/*pctel*-linux/<http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/> on various distributions fc1,slackware,redhat9,ubuntu etc. but without much success Regards, Saurabh

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VPN through pptpconfig.
by Rajendra Rait 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, I am trying to configure VPN through RedHat Fedora core 3 using pptpconfig. But land up with this error Using interface ppp0pptpconfig: monitoring interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/2 anon warn[open_inetsock:pptp_callmgr.c:317]: connect: Connection refused anon fatal[callmgr_main:pptp_callmgr.c:123]: Could not open control connection to *****the ip address of the vpn server******* anon fatal[open_callmgr:pptp.c:426]: Call manager exited with error 256 Modem hangup Connection terminated. pptpconfig: pppd process terminated by signal 16 (failed) pptpconfig: SIGUSR1 Is it that i can only connect pptpconfig using an dialup or adsl connection, what i am trying is to connect the VPN using my local LAN, is that possible or i am just wasting my time. If this is the case any other software through which i can achive my goal. Also i forgot to mention the VPN server i am trying to connect is a Windows box. I have done the VPN configuration using the sorgeforge url for fedora 3. I simply followed the steps from the URL but it didn't work. Please help me. Thankyou in advance. Regards, Rajendra Rait.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutesregarding Linux(Manoj Bohara)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

On Friday 24 June 2005 10:50, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Friday 24 Jun 2005 10:22 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > And 3~5 yrs it does take to learn - in or outside a formal > > institution. The difference is that inside you will view the > > world thru the prof's blinkers - and most of those are very > > colored. IMO learning outside is far better, inspite of the > > hurdles and occassional hot reception to (ahem) dumb questions. > > the point i am making is the concept of 'the best learn by > themselves' which is simply not true. Self help, as i have already > mentioned, is a crucial component of learning - but only one > component. > Tiger woods is the best golfer in the world - but has a > coach, so for Anand. Maria Sharopova's father flew to florida with > $700 in his pocket - why didnt he stick in siberia and encourage > his daughter to learn by herself? Sania Mizra's biggest weakness is > fitness and is running from pillar to post trying to find a fitness > coach - surely she could learn to keep fit on her own by reading > books, watching TV and googling? In fact the only guys who > subscribe to this self-taught crap is the indian hockey federation > - and they are wallowing in deep kaka. You are mixing unrelated learning processes. Sports is a mix of several discliplines - kineselogy, physiology, psychology, material sciences etc. which you could ofcourse aquire by googling. But you cannot implement it on yourself cause it involves observing yourself while traning. Besides doubling the time to train this requires experience to discern cause and effect - not very observable outside a very well equipped lab. Hence you require a mentor - coach - not formal education although that helps. ( Self glorification - trained in the distant past in swimming and water polo for 8 yrs and continue to practice karate under Shihan Pervez B. Mistry from 77 to 83 and 2000 till date). And the hockey team needs to get rid of pompous IHF officials more than anything else. > > formal training imparts certain fundamental skills and discipline > which can only be appreciated by ppl unfortunate enough not to have > the benefits of the same. It also, to a great extent, prevents one > from reinventing the wheel - i just spent 20 hours on debugging an > app due to an error so simple that it has never been mentioned in > any HOWTO or tutorial as it was considered too elementary to be > worth mention. Believe me that happens with everyone :--( That is why you need peer review and debuggers and ofcourse access to the source. > > There is only one area where self taught is best - where you are > breaking new ground and venturing where no man has been before. And > this does not apply to the instant case. And that happens to be the case with computing and programming. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Inquiry about training institutes regarding Linux (Manoj Bohara)
by Raseel Bhagat 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 Manoj Bohara wrote : >Dear Members, > My name is Manoj Bohara. Friends i needed some information regarding linux OS courses . I am deeply intrested in linux system programming field . If anybody knows of any institute in Mumbai which gives the right training and project to work on , i request to him/her to pass this information to me , it will be go great help to me since i am not aware of any institute in Mumbai . > Hi Manoj, Concept Systems conduct Linux Device Driver and Linux Internals course in Pune and I think they have started classes in Bombay too. I remember getting their mail once announcing the same. But I advise you to mail/phone them and ensure. www.conceptssys.com >Also i needed guidance on how should i go about it . Is it necessary C/C++ in depth to learn such Linux subjects . You HAVE TO know C atleast at the intermediate level to venture into Linux systems Programming. You can make do without C++, but its always better to know it too. Also you should know basic shell scripting. And as everyine keeps repeating do things on your own as much as possible. Start visint the umpteen sites on Linux Internals, start browsing the code.. and THEN join a course with basic understanding of OS concepts. It'll much easier and effective for you then. I myself have been trying to get into the internals for quite some time, but the learning curve is becoming longer for me. There is so many fascinating things to know, implement and redesign that it takes quite a bit of time to get REALLY well-versed. Have Patience and determination. Raseel. Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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User name and password at the booting --how to override?
by bhalla.v.k. 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

Hi, Friends! I have a dual boot operating system which boots in Mandrake ver 9.1 Linux as a default if i do not select Window option. Linux is demanding to a local host user name and a password, i have forgotten these . What step i have to take ? I am absolute beginner. Pl. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rm me either through list reply or at the email address : vkbhalla(a)npcil.co.in : Attention B.V.Kumar Thanks. B.V. Kumar ----------- Disclaimer: This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressed individual or entity. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. It must not be printed, read, copied, disclosed, forwarded, distributed or used (in whatsoever manner) by any person other than the addressee. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may constitute unlawful act and can possibly attract legal action. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. If you have received this message in error, you should destroy this message and may please notify the sender by e-mail. Thank you. -----------

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linux packet drops
by Sonali Gupta 22 Jun '05

22 Jun '05

Hi, We are using Snort on Linux in the binary packet capture mode (capture and log in tcpdump format). We find packet drops even at 5 Mbps bandwidth which we feel is very low for the hardware we are using. We would be grateful if you can provide any suggestions on the issue. Hardware used: HP Proliant DL 140 G2. Dual processor, processor speed 2.8 GHz with 512MB RAM and 72 GB SATA HDD, Gigabit network card. Operating system: Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES Version 3. Snort version: Snort 2.3.0 The OS is a default installation. We are not running any software other than snort on the system. Observations: We find that the drop is related to HDD writes. If there are no hard disk writes, then there is no drop even at 80 Mbps. We tested this by using a rule in snort which rarely matches, so that snort hardly logs any packets. We also found that the drop increases when the I/O is high, irrespective of whether it is being done by the same process (snort) or a totally unrelated one. We created a high I/O scenario by doing copy of a huge file (3GB) periodically while snort is running. Even this triggered packet drops. So, to summarize, we see packet drops in sniffing whenever there is disk I/O happening. We do not suspect the HDD of the machine, as we were able to simulate the problem in two other totally different systems also. Regards, Sonali

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