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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 45, Issue 109
by C.E. Hariharan 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rony <ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:49:50 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora Core 6, Core 2 Duo with DG965RYCK > motherboard > C.E. Hariharan wrote: > > Hi, > > Digressing from the topic,I would like to ask as to the difference > between > > Core2Duo processor with corresponding motherboard and PentiumD 2.80 Ghz > > Dual > > Core processor with Intel D101GGC motherboard in terms of computing > power > > and speed?Like, I asked the reseller for a core2 duo but he got confused > > and > > gave me the above processor.I am in a dilemma whether I should ask him > to > > exchange because one of my friends told me there's hardly any > > difference.Isthat true?What's your opinion? > > > > > > Core2 Duo that comes in 1.8 and 2.13 GHz. speeds with Intel original 965 > RYCK mobo is much more expensive than Dual Core with 102 GGC mobo. BTY, > did the dealer give you 101 or 102 GGC? 101 was phased out since six > months or maybe more. My Intel Express Installer Driver CD shows D101GGC.Is it that D102GGC also uses the same driver installer CD?

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 45, Issue 108
by C.E. Hariharan 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Dilip Khanolkar" <khanolkardilip(a)gmail.com> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:20:38 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora Core 6, Core 2 Duo with DG965RYCK > motherboard > On 1/22/07, C.E. Hariharan <easwarno1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Digressing from the topic,I would like to ask as to the difference > between > > Core2Duo processor with corresponding motherboard and PentiumD 2.80 Ghz > > Dual > > Core processor with Intel D101GGC motherboard in terms of computing > power > > and speed?Like, I asked the reseller for a core2 duo but he got confused > > and > > gave me the above processor.I am in a dilemma whether I should ask him > to > > exchange because one of my friends told me there's hardly any > > difference.Isthat true?What's your opinion? > > > do get it exchanged core2 duo is really good than pentium d well you as > per > my knowledge you will also need to change the mobo for that Ya,that's true,but what is the price difference for the board + Core 2 Duo v/s pentium D+D101GGC board?I have a friendly reseller coz i contacted him through a cousin who's a regular customer and bought an entire new PC from him!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Seek advice to quit Windows
by Debarshi Ray 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

You can try OpenSolaris too. Sun is going to release it under the GNU GPLv3, so alongwith GNU/Linux and *BSD, it is another free operating system. Cheerio, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora Core 6, Core 2 Duo with DG965RYCK motherboard
by C.E. Hariharan 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

Hi, Digressing from the topic,I would like to ask as to the difference between Core2Duo processor with corresponding motherboard and PentiumD 2.80 Ghz Dual Core processor with Intel D101GGC motherboard in terms of computing power and speed?Like, I asked the reseller for a core2 duo but he got confused and gave me the above processor.I am in a dilemma whether I should ask him to exchange because one of my friends told me there's hardly any difference.Isthat true?What's your opinion? Regards Easwar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Seek advice to quit Windows
by Debarshi Ray 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

> 1. I and other normal MIDDLE CLASS students did NOT have access to the > internet. > > 2. There were NO competent faculties around to guide us. > > 3. We had to use whatever WE HAD. Do not just crib about the above points. It was mostly the same with me too. > FYKI I got a decent access to the internet only about 5 years > ago. What is decent? How is it defined. If you are talking about a broadband connection, then I do not have one yet. > You might've been on the internet ever since its inception but we > mere mortals have not. One more presumption on your part. >> These are not clever hacks by any stretch of the imagination. I have >> not had the privilege to look at the code written by any of these >> companies, but I have never across such things in any project worth >> its name. K&R is quite categorical about discouraging such usages. > Yes, but it is the REQUIREMENT of the times. *sigh* > I have not come across a single place where YPK stresses the importance of using > such kind of constructs. All he shows the student is that IT IS POSSIBLE to do > such stuff with C. When you do not explicitly inform the reader that this particular technique is not good practice and compiler dependent, you are implicitly encouraging him/her to repeat and believe in such practice. Even Turbo C/C++ clearly documents which component of the C/C++ libraries are portable and ANSI compliant to what extent. > Buddy, you might've had CSE gurus all around you but most average #include <stdio.h> int main(void){ while(1) printf("presumptions\n"); return 0; } > So we have to go by what we can find and YPK's LUC is the > most visible book around. Few people have heard about K&R's books. Well > thats how the ground reality is. My goodness. You know about C. Not only that, you are so inclined to learn it that you go looking for books. However you never heard about the souls who wrote it. Even if that is true, it does not change the fact LUC leaves a lot to be desired. > And dont even get me started about what kind of students we have. They > cant even learn using books by themselves There is no need to get started. Not every one is capable of doing everything, and they should concentrate on doing what they can do best. > The 'normal' student doesnt understand how a compiler works. 99.9999% of > our engineers dont know what a compiler is written in. There is no > question of misleading anybody. The rest 0.0001% students are smart > enough to find the right way! Nonsense. Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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LUG Wiki availability
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

Hi, I've been facing problems with access to the Wiki recently. I normally try both domains - glug-bom.org and ilug-bom.org.in since often one of them opens and the other times out. Is anyone else facing the same problem as well? Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Seek advice to quit Windows
by Debarshi Ray 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

> I had bought it only to learn about DOS > routines for the mouse. Interrupt 33h I think There are other places where you can learn about interrupt 0x33, 8-bit colors, playing WAVs and displaying BMPs in TurboC, etc.. One of them is the Internet. > is a good one for beginners. And the reason YPK has "stressed" on those > notations i++ + ++i etc... is because any standard aptitude test paper > of any company will have these "clever" hacks in them which confuses the > normal student. These are not clever hacks by any stretch of the imagination. I have not had the privilege to look at the code written by any of these companies, but I have never across such things in any project worth its name. K&R is quite categorical about discouraging such usages. > Besides such examples help _normal_ students understand how exactly > these operators work. No they do not. The way these operators work is compiler dependent. eg., it is often said ++i is more efficient than i++ when one simply has to increment i. But there is no guarantee that it will be so in every compiler under the sun. Therefore they are simply misleading the 'normal' students. >> I started with Gottfried's book, and when I finally came to Let Us C, >> I found it sick. > No need for name calling. If you didn't like LUC, just state it. > Absolutely no need for name calling. Thats just what I did. Regards, Debarshi - After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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Re: Linux Asia 07 ?
by Vivek R 22 Jan '07

22 Jan '07

shouldnt it be "GNU/LINUX" Asia 07 ? i mean where is the credit to the community who developed the major portion of the entire thing ? ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

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Fedora Core 6, Core 2 Duo with DG965RYCK motherboard
by Dinesh Joshi 21 Jan '07

21 Jan '07

Hi, Today I installed Fedora Core 6 ( Respin ) on my Core 2 Duo system. The system's specs are: - Core 2 Duo E6400 Processor - DG965RYCK mobo - 512MB DDR2 @ 533MHz ( It should've been 1024MB but the other sticks not working ) - 80GB Seagate HDD No add on cards at all. Initial impressions: The system boots up really fast. The board is quite new so requires a bit of tweaking and playing around. The default FC6 kernel doesnt support the onboard PATA controller ( JMicron ). The problem: Since the kernel doesn't have the driver built in for the JMicron chip, the kernel boots from the CD but it doesn't find the installation media and asks for a driver disk or alternative installation methods. Solution: There are two solutions to this problem: - You can use a SATA or USB CD/DVD drive instead of a PATA - You can pass the following kernel parameters to get it going: pci=nommconfig irqpoll all-generic-ide For the first option to work correctly you should be installing on a SATA HDD. You also need to change some BIOS settings: Advanced -> Drive Settings -> SATA -> AHCI ( by default its IDE ) This should get the installer started normally. Install process: FC6 has a very intuitive installer. I selected several packages according to my needs: - GNOME - KDE - Development tools / libraries etc.. etc.. The complete install size was around 3.1GB. The system took about 15 mins flat to install everything and it was up. But one word of caution, Fedora Core's installer, Anaconda, will add only pci=nommconfig kernel option in grub.conf. You need to manually edit it and add all three options ( see above ) to get your system booting properly. After thoughts: You can try playing around with the options to suit your need. My installation was done on a PATA drive. If you have a SATA drive then it will be much easier since the kernel already has the driver for the SATA controller hence it wont complain plus it will boot up without the all-generic-ide option. If your install is on a SATA drive and you dont see your PATA CD/DVD/RW/ROM them you need to pass the all-generic-ide option. The drives will show up properly. One more problem that was evident after the install was random lockups with the default kernel. FC6 ( respin ) shipped with the 2.6.18 kernel. I simply upgraded it to the latest, 2.6.19 i believe, and the random lock ups went away. Even in this kernel I had to pass all three options for the system to work normally. For some, removing the irqpoll option may work. For me it didnt work. Xorg would come up but for some reason it kept on restarting. I had to reboot the system and manually add the irqpoll option after which the system was stable. I used the respin with the hopes that the updated installer kernel would not need any tweaking to get it started the steps remain the same for the official Fedora Core 6 release. The user experience on this is amazing. I used GNOME ( yes, I was a BIG KDE fan a while ago but now I am not ) with Compiz enabled ( System -> Preferences -> Desktop Effects -> Enable ). It rocks! I then installed beryl ( yum install beryl-gnome ) and its even slicker than compiz. For intel users its no problem but those with NVidia or ATI will need to get their proprietary drivers installed and configured first. It worked out of the box for me. Some stats: - GNOME with Beryl enabled with the system working as a http, ftp, mysql, etc.. etc.. server it consumed about 250MBs of RAM. - Install takes around 15 minutes to complete ( All 5 CDs required ) - Boot up hardly takes 15 seconds - System shows a bogomips of approximately 8400 ( both processors combined ) Hope this helps someone out there who is struggling to get Fedora Core installed on his/her Core 2 Duo system :P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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Re: LUG Wiki availability
by C.E. Hariharan 21 Jan '07

21 Jan '07

> > "Dilip Khanolkar" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I've been facing problems with access to the Wiki recently. I normally > > try both domains - glug-bom.org and ilug-bom.org.in since often one of > > them opens and the other times out. Is anyone else facing the same > > problem as well? > > > >i am also facing the same problem none of the sites are opening > Same here as well as from Mohan SN. >

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Re:[ILUG-BOM]Seek advice to quit Windows
by C.E. Hariharan 21 Jan '07

21 Jan '07

Well,this discussion has been useful to me since I am in SEM-II Engg. and they are teaching us C++. >please read Stroustrup after learning a bit. I would like to ask Pradeepto what does he mean by a bit.Exactly how much is a bit? Thanks for the recommendation of books.If the library doesn't have them,as our's usually doesn't,where can we get the books?Are there online subs available?

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Data recovery on a crashed drive with Linux FS
by Dinesh Joshi 21 Jan '07

21 Jan '07

Hi peeps, My Samsung SP1213C ( 120GB ) SATA disk has crashed. Its making horrible clicking sounds. The disk is not reading much. Though GRUB does come up and the kernel does start booting up but it finally panics after not being able to find initrd ( Yes, I use Fedora Core 2 :P ). I had some important family pictures and stuff in there. I tried booting to Windows and using the EXT2FS reader but its of no use. It cant read anything. It gives a bunch of read errors. I spoke to my vendor and he said that none of the recovery guys he knows can recover a disk with a Linux FS. Also, if I give it to some third party who opens up the drive, my drives warranty will be void. Samsung is of no help. They're pathetic :( I mean they'll just replace the drive. They wont take any responsibility for the data! But I guess thats normal, right? I'm not sure what I should do at this point. Can anybody help out?? Any suggestions??? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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RE:Recommend a linux distro
by C.E. Hariharan 21 Jan '07

21 Jan '07

my hardware: Intel Pentium D 2.80 Ghz(dual core) Intel D101GGC motherboard 80 GB samsung HDD 1.44 MB 3andhalf inch FDD Combo drive(CDRW/DVD-R)(TSSTCorp CDW/DVD SH-M522C) Samsung monitor SyncMaster 594 MG Easy Internet keyboard from logitech logitech scroll mouse(optical mouse) 2 buttons,1 wheel Creative speakers SBS240 D-Link GLB502T router for MTNL broadband

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[Commercial]Hurry up 150 Free Passes Left for LinuxAsia 07
by Niraj Sahay 20 Jan '07

20 Jan '07

Dear Members of the community, India Habitat Centre (New Delhi) will be the hot spot for every Linux enthusiast from 31st Jan to 2nd Feb. And the reason is - LinuxAsia 2007 - India's premier Linux and open source event. We would like to ensure that the Linux/OSS community is fully engaged with the event. What all is happening at LinuxAsia this year? ********************************************* The main track - 'technology.innovation(a)oss.in', which will go on for 3 days from 31st January till 2nd February 2007 at the India Habitat Centre, New Delhi. The second track - CXOSummit - is a one-day event being held at Hotel Taj Mahal, Man Singh, New Delhi on the 1st of February 2007. Besides that, there will be an IOSN summit, ODF India Chapter summit, technical workshops, sessions by LUGs, and last but not the least, the Expo. What are the entry charges? *************************** FIRST 500 FREE!!! ***Just 150 Free Pass Left*** Ok, this is best news - the first 500 (out of which, only 150 are left now) registrants can get the COMMUNITY PASS, which allows them entry to the 'technology.innovation(a)oss.in' track for FREE (subject to availability of vacant seats in the main hall and on a first-cum-first-served basis)! Though there is an element of organisers' checking your details and approving the serious cases only, but then, if you're serious about attending International-level Linux/OSS events - then REGISTER NOW at http://www.linuxasia.net. "Hurry up Just 150 Passes Left" DELEGATE PASSES FOR SERIOUS PROFESSIONALS For the serious professionals who want 'guaranteed seating' at LinuxAsia 2007, we have the DELEGATE PASS. There is an 'early bird' offer till 25th Jan 07 (subject to availability of seats). Simply opt for 'more info on the Delegate Pass' while registering for LinuxAsia 2007, and our team will get back to you immediately. Plus, there are special discounts on the DELEGATE PASSES for subscribers of EFY Publications, and students! Who all are going to speak at LinuxAsia 2007? ********************************************* Klaus Knopper (Knoppix), Brian Behlendorf (Apache and CollabNet), Dr Negroponte (one-laptop-per-child programme), are some of the international technology Gurus who have confirmed. We expect 3-4 more global luminaries to be there--their confirmation is in progress. Any facilities for out-station delegates? ***************************************** We have tied up with 'hospitality partners' who can assist you in getting best deals for travel and stay. If you need this support, simply select that option while registering. What is LinuxAsia trying to achieve this year? ********************************************** The goals that have been laid down for LinuxAsia 07 are: Goal #1: Promote open source driven innovation so that India can showcase a minimum of 20 globally recognised OSS projects at LinuxAsia 2008. Goal #2: Accelerate the adoption of Linux and open source software by highlighting their advantages, sharing success stories, and discussing strategies on how CXOs can gain advantage from both "open source" and "proprietary" worlds. Goal #3: To provide a platform where other organisations with OSS-related agendas can hold their own sub-events and network with the entire community. So, we request you to register, participate, and let us know how we fared in achieving those goals. Best Wishes! Niraj Sahay Community Manager Team, LinuxAsia 07

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Seek advice to quit Windows
by Debarshi Ray 20 Jan '07

20 Jan '07

> "Let Us C", nevertheless, a good > book. It is a horrible book. I strongly oppose the idea that one needs to begin with it. Just consider the fact that Yashwant Kanitkar teaches you the difference of: i++ + ++i + i++ and i++ + i++ + i++, which is simply undefined in the C standard and yet Kanitkar stresses on this, instead of telling the reader to avoid writing such code. > Ok. I don't want to shock many people here. And before I say > something, I must say, I did read LUC as my first C book (I think) and > found it good as well. The point is many people who start new with C ( > maybe without any programming exp ) find it easy to start with - > that's the reason its good - other wise its not. I started with Gottfried's book, and when I finally came to Let Us C, I found it sick. > But honestly, one needs to have a copy of K&R if you are into C. Very true. > And if you are doing C++, please read Stroustoup after you Robert Lafore's book is also nice although he does not use GCC in it. Bye, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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Open SUSE 10.2 Disks Required
by Amol Kshirsagar 20 Jan '07

20 Jan '07

Dear All, Can anyone arrange one set of OpenSUSE 10.2 Distribution CD's? I need it for testing purpose. I am ready to swap the blank cd's and pickup the set from any location within Mumbai/ New Mumbai. I shall be thankful to the person who can help. Thanks, Amol K.

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Huge New Study On Free/Open Software
by Frederick Noronha 20 Jan '07

20 Jan '07

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/01/huge_new_study_.html Wednesday, 17 January 2007 Huge New Study On Free/Open Software Topic: software There's an interesting, albeit rather long, new study available from an international, interdisciplinary team of researchers that documents Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS) and its economic influences on the EU. The full text of the 287 page report, entitled "Economic impact of open source software on innovation and the competitiveness of the Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) sector in the EU," is available online (PDF). The report provides the most thorough and comprehensive look at the contributions of the FLOSS community that I've ever seen. While most of the statics and numbers are geared toward the EU and European nations in general (the lead contractor of the study was UNU-MERIT from the Netherlands), the study nevertheless provides a fascinating look at free software and its impact on the world at large. Particularly stunning is the estimated time to reproduce this software in proprietary format (131,000 person years) and the estimated amount of donated programming effort in monetary terms (800 million Euros per year). Here's some more highlights pulled straight from the text (emphasis mine): * Almost two-thirds of FLOSS software is still written by individuals; firms contribute about 15% and other institutions another 20%. * Europe is the leading region in terms of globally collaborating FLOSS software developers, and leads in terms of global project leaders, followed closely by North America (interestingly, more in the East Coast than the West). Asia and Latin America. * The existing base of quality FLOSS applications with reasonable quality control and distribution would cost firms almost Euro 12 billion to reproduce internally. This code base has been doubling every 18-24 months over the past eight years, and this growth is projected to continue for several more years. * This existing base of FLOSS software represents a lower bound of about 131 000 real person-years of effort that has been devoted exclusively by programmers. As this is mostly by individuals not directly paid for development, it represents a significant gap in national accounts of productivity. Annualised and adjusted for growth this represents at least Euro 800 million in voluntary contribution from programmers alone each year, of which nearly half are based in Europe. * Firms have invested an estimated Euro 1.2 billion in developing FLOSS software that is made freely available. Such firms represent in total at least 565 000 jobs and Euro 263 billion in annual revenue. Contributing firms are from several non-IT (but often ICT intensive) sectors, and tend to have much higher revenues than non-contributing firms. * Defined broadly, FLOSS-related services could reach a 32% share of all IT services by 2010, and the FLOSS-related share of the economy could reach 4% of European GDP by 2010. * Proprietary packaged software firms account for well below 10% of employment of software developers in the U.S., and "IT user" firm -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com

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India moves to launch Creative Commons at Mumbai function in coming week
by Frederick Noronha 19 Jan '07

19 Jan '07

India moves to launch Creative Commons at Mumbai function in coming week FN Premier technological institute IIT Bombay is to launch the Indian chapter of Creative Commons during its annual Technology Festival of India, shortly. The Creative Commons (CC) is a global non-profit working to expand the range of creative work available for others "legally to build upon and share." It allows people to issue creative works under a license that allows more flexibility than the default "all rights reserved" of copyright law. >From its modest cyberhome at cc-india.org, the Indian branch of the global movement is spreading the ideas that there are options to copyright, when it comes to building creativity and sharing knowledge widely. Creative Commons enables copyright holders to grant some or all of their rights to the public, while retaining others, through a variety of licensing and contract schemes. The intention is to avoid the problems current copyright laws create for the sharing of information. In a world where digital-content rules, sharing of knowledge and creative products has become far easier. Some globally successful volunteer projects -- like the Wikipedia, among the top 20 most visited sites -- have scaled up phenomenally by basing themselves on parallel easier-to-share licenses. Creative Commons-India project lead Shishir K. Jha, assistant professor at the IIT's Shailesh J. Mehta School of Management, said that the project planned to focus on three specific areas in India. These are, centres of higher education like the seven IITs, regional IITs, managements and other institutions. He said: "These are increasingly taking recourse to creating video and web-based courses such as the NPTEL (National Programme for Technology Enhanced Learning) and distance education courses such as C-DEEP (www.cdeep.iitb.ac.in) and eGURU (ekalavya.it.iitb.ac.in/eguruHome.do) (and all would benefit from keeping content sharable)." Creative Commons-India also plans to focus on non-profit and non-governmental organizations and corporates keen on adopting easier-to-share licenses for the dissemination of their documents. Lastly, he said, there are many independent creative artists working with film, documentary, music and text who would like to explore the possibilities of reaching out to a wider audience with the use of creative commons licenses. This festival is being held on January 26-27 and some big names are visiting India for the Creative Commons launch. Creative Commons chairman Joichi Ito and its global coordinator Dr. Catharina Maracke will join in. Two will be held on the topics 'Do We Need Remix?' and 'Sharing Is Creating'. Joichi Ito is a Japanese-born and American-educated businessman who runs the World of Warcraft guild of venture capitalists, and is general manager of international operations for such prominent web-based ventures like Technorati, chairman of Six Apart Japan, and board-member of ICANN Mozilla Foundation, the Open Source Initiative and others. This two-day event will see a mini-panel on "Creative Commons: Is India ready for flexible approach to copyrighting". In particular, this session will look at how Creative Commons can be used to increase knowledge and information sharing among sectors like higher education, telecommunications, music, films and publishing. Creative Commons licenses came after the Open Publication License and the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). The GFDL is seen as being responsible for the phenomenal success of the Free Software movement globally, it is also used by non-software projects such as influential, citizen-crafted Wikipedia. -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com

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broadband problems
by Dilip Khanolkar 19 Jan '07

19 Jan '07

is there any customer of pacenet from goregaon on this list there are heavy problems faced in this area from pacenet for the last 15 days & mr saiyad from pacenet says that 7 days have been credited to every user as compensation while TRAI regulations say that "Faults Pending for > 7 working days and < 15 working days: rebate equivalent to 15 days of minimum monthly charge or equivalent usage allowance" well the customers dont get perfect speeds the network is congested while DNS pings are normally above 130 ms on 64 bytes. I have a 72kbps line the speeds are mostly below 56.2 kbps on an average not more than 64 kbps

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sun Ultra SPARC T1
by Debarshi Ray 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

>> So OpenSolaris is dead and useless. JTD and Vihan do not bother >> proving otherwise, because certain class of people will never >> listen. The Sun UltraSPARC T1 certainly is not. So check out the >> above link. > It was almost dead. But gpl anything and they rise from the ashes. > there are more brains in the rest of the world than in the place u > happen to be. Yes. This is the more important fact, than arguing whether it was dead or alive. > KG is not completely wrong. As I said, this dead or alive discussion is useless. What is important is we get to look at more code, and learn from it. Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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would luv to work on Linux
by rohan k 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

Hi felas, this is Rohan Kaluskar (yet to meet Krishnakant Mane...well km m busy hunting a linux development job).felas m currently a BE fresher n would luv to work on my fav operating sys as a programmer.m also quite proficient with C,Java.would prefer to work in mumbai,also pursuing an embedded sys course from idemi,sion.if u do have an interesting job opportunity,do contact me at 32406312

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[OT] Root partition mouting read-only frequently
by Rohit V Bhute 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

My partitioning is as follows: /dev/hda1 / /dev/hda5 /home /dev/hda6 swap /dev/hda7 /data All are ext3. The / partition is mounting read-only very frequently, in spite of clean shutdowns. As a result, the only apps I can use are Firefox and Thunderbird. Anything else (even those two if have to download something) requiring access to / (specially /tmp) doesn't work. For e.g., running "man" on any command gives "man: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system". I looked through the output of dmesg and found the following piece interesting. <cut> [17180032.820000] hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } [17180032.820000] hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=23677870, sector=23677863 [17180032.820000] ide: failed opcode was: unknown [17180032.820000] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 23677863 [17180032.820000] Buffer I/O error on device hda1, logical block 2959725 [17180032.824000] EXT3-fs error (device hda1): ext3_readdir: directory #1470023 contains a hole at offset 0 [17180032.824000] Remounting filesystem read-only <cut> The full dmesg output is here <http://rvbhute.org/full_dmesg_error.txt> Is my disk failing or is it case of partitioning/formatting gone wrong? Regards. -- Rohit V. Bhute http://blog.rvbhute.org

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[Commercial] Openings @ TechnoInfotech
by sanjay＠technoinfosys.com 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

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BangPycon 2007 - Call for Participation
by Anush Shetty 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

Hi, The BangPypers invite you to submit a proposal to present a technical paper or tutorial, or to host a meeting or BOF session at the conference. There are no fixed guidelines except for the below. 1) The talk has to be on a Pythonic Topic 2) It will be restricted to 45 mts with buffer for Q& A -10 mts 3) Though not mandatory, preference will be given to relevance of the topic with the agenda of the conference being "to promote Python" Though currently the plans of having a separate tutorial section is not on, we still want to hear from you, and we can see whether something can be fitted in... There might be just 10 talks split into 2 tracks. So please hurry up and send in your proposals. Your Proposal should be mailed conference AT bangpypers.org. -- Cheers. Anush Shetty BangPycon First Indian Python Conference, March 3rd 2007, St Josephs PG College, Bangalore, India. Email: conference(a)bangpypers.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bangpypers http://bangpypers.org

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Free Software for NGOs
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

Hi, I was just wondering; do NGOs in India look at FOSS as an alternative for cost-cutting at all? Has anyone on-list succeeded in introducing FOSS in any NGO-aided school or vocational training centre? Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk

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Seek advice to quit Windows
by Varadarajan V 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

Hi, Let me first introduce myself. I have been a silent observer of this list for the past 1-2 years. Though I havent contributed anything to this list, I very much like the concept of Linux and Free Software. Unfortunately, for me I learnt about this long after I went for the microsoft certification which helped me to get a job. I work as a windows system admin (3 years) for living. After observing and readin a lot in this community and a little bit of personal experience with linux I wish to move into linux administration and personally I hate microsoft's way of working. To work in windows I need to keep myself trained in windows and for that i have to use windows. That goes into a vicious circle. I find myself locked I am sure I would be considered as a newbie (I am one) in the linux world and I see jobs are mostly for the experienced in the linux administration. What should I do to make the switch? I need your suggestions. I wish to quit windows..now -- True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing. And in knowing that you know nothing, that makes you the smartest of all. -Socrates Regards, Raj

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Learn few apps in Linux based distros (or GNU/Linux) free
by Roshan 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

Hello List, Newbies, might find this helpful. http://www.beginlinux.org/ is a website that would help you to learn using few apps. -- FSF-India Fellow Associate http://www.gnu.org.in __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Offline Installation of Sun Java on Edubuntu Server
by Chirag 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

>Why don't you use a live cd of ubuntu and download and save the apt >packages into your hdd. Then burn them into a CD in windows after >removing the live cd. Transfer from the cd to the server machine. >To mount your hdd in the live CD, use the following commands:- >sudo mkdir /windows >sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /windows ( hda5 means partition 5 in >primary master disk, most probably your D-drive ) >Regards, >Rony. Thanks Rony Your suggestions will help me Sorry for late reply Anyway thanks again Bye for now CSJakharia Subscribe to bermudaEmail: [input] [input] Browse Archives at groups.google.com --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

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Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
by Sachin G Nambiar 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

Hi, Am going to work in a small manufacturing unit with a T.O. of around 9cr. Currently they do have a few desktops(un-networked) with pirated copies(based on discussions i doubt they know the difference and i want to change that) of Windows XP installed. By their roadmap and current projects in hand they see a very easy jump into a sub 20cr and perhaps more, category. I propose to install opensource software in this company, mostly to avoid licensing issues as soon as they are spotted on MS's radar as they grow larger. It's business not ideology. Requirements: Tally software Autocad/Studioworks or any other as good opensource/linux variant. Spreadsheet Email etc These are the basic requirements and currently they dont even have a website mostly because their business is not web centric or even remotely close to it. I know there are other engineering based software variants to autocad out there, but are they as good? and what about Tally. As far as i know they can definitely afford a licensed version of engineering/accounting software. But they really need to avoid software costs in the future. People i assume are not very software oriented apart from basic usage. Please note that software has to be scalable as the business is going to grow! So i would also need some miniature BI tool(even if it's just a spread sheet in it's simplest form) if possible in the future. What are the possible chinks in going ahead with this model of using opensource? Regards, Sachin -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

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Recommend a Linux distro
by Dinesh Joshi 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

Hi list, A friend of mine is a network admin. Recently, I had a talk with him and convinced him to use GNU/Linux to control the internet access to all the client PCs in his organization. His requirements are pretty simple and can be satisfied by using Squid. But the problem is that his knowledge of GNU/Linux is nill, zero! Now I would really like to know if there is some distro that can meet his requirements ( Proxy, NAT, DNS Cache, Firewall easy to setup and web based administration of the server ). You know something that would need him to only pop in the CD on a fresh machine - install automatically without creating too much fuss about partitioning scheme, the packages that he wants etc.. etc.. and would give him a simple web based interface ( something like we have on cheap routers or similar to webmin ). All suggestions are welcome. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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[GLUG-BOM Wiki]: Software Reviews page
by Roshan 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

Hello List, Used a different Office suite? Liked a compiler? Friend recommended a application and you tried it? Want it to recommend to others? The GLUG-BOM Wiki now has a Reviews page. http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Reviews Feel free to add your reviews on applications. Currently, there's no structure on how the application is rated. However, the one that currently exists, could be considered template. Later, there could be ratings in terms of stars. (Psst.. I know, I'm not good at advertising. May be I'll learn in the long run ;) ) -- FSF-India Fellow Associate http://www.gnu.org.in __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promotional Article
by Vickram Crishna 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

--- Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: > Is it possible that we write an article about > GNU/Linux on desktop and > get it published in some of the famous newspapers > like Times of India, > DNA, Hindustan Times, etc? It will have to be done > by some notable > people since it should be accepted by these papers. > > The theme could be that of a myth breaker, showing > how Linux is not > difficult to install, better looking, etc. Linux > power on servers > should get no more than a mention as the aim is to > get desktop users > to use it. A great suggestion. I volunteer to help 'placing' such an article (but don't have the time right now to actually write it, plus with the brochure nearly ready why should the wheel be reinvented?), countering the HT new year article about laptops, all 5 of the top list not even mentioning Linux. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Sqlite3 linking problem
by neelam 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Hi all, I have used sqlite3 database engine for my C appln . my C program (first.c )simply opens database , creates tables and closes database. I have confirmed the presence of sqlite3 librarries on my system at /usr/lib/ my compliation option is : gcc first.c -lsqlite3 and then i get a compln error as path to sqlite3 lib - could not read symbols :Invalid operation ld returned with exit status 1 Can any one help me to sort out this ? it will b of great help to me ......... Thanx ..... --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Brl-Cad Initial Impressions
by Debarshi Ray 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

> Just for the record, am going to check out > qcad(http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html) along with > gnuplot(http://www.gnuplot.info/) next so that i can give him a choice. Would you mind adding Varkon (http://www.tech.oru.se/cad/varkon/) to the list? Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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[Commercial]IT Admins' Day-out @ LinuxAsia 07 (2nd Feb 07)
by Niraj Sahay 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Dear friends and colleagues, You know this better than anybody else--Implementing IT infrastructure is both an art and a science. And, in the Linux/Open Source world, where you have umpteen options for any given challenge, the more you master this combination of art and science, the more rewarding it gets for you. To help you learn some new tips and tricks from the best IT Implementers from India and abroad, LinuxAsia 07 features a complete day dedicated to topics related to 'IT implementation and IT infrastructure management'--2nd Feb 07. Plus, you'll get insights into the latest technologies and tool-sets available for IT implementers and managers from the Linux/OSS world. Klaus Knopper (Knoppix), Brian Behlendorf (Apache), Dr Negroponte (one-laptop-per-child), Uma Shankar (ELCOT) and many other leading speakers from Google, IBM, Novell etc are expected to speak at LinuxAsia 07. There are EARLY BIRD discounts on the DELEGATE pass. The benefits of the Delegate Pass include guaranteed seating and 5-star quality food at the 'Networking lunch' where you get to rub shoulders with the who's who of the Linux/OSS industry. You also have the option of registering for the FREE 'Community Pass', where the seating will be subject to availability, on a first-come-first-serve basis. To register yourself, do visit http://www.linuxasia.net/la07/users/delegate.php You can opt for 'more info about the delegate pass' wherein our support team will contact you and explain the benefits of the Delegate pass in detail, and help you through the payment process. Your presence will help build LinuxAsia 07 into Asia's top Linux and Open Source Conference. Hoping to get your support in making India reach yet another milestone! Best Wishes! Niraj Sahay Community Manager Team, LinuxAsia 07

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Should we start an internet radio service
by jtd 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

To publicise important issues about computing, foss etc. The software is available. One of them is http://www.campware.org/ The content creators are on the list. And have a lot to say, but keep preaching to the pulpit. -- Rgds JTD

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[Commercial] Unix Test Engineer openings with Symantec, Pune
by Sharninder 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Greetings Linuxers, My team is looking for Test/QA engineers with 0-4 years of experience on unix/linux. The work would involve filesystem and volume manager testing. Freshers with good unix/linux knowledge may also apply. Please send me your resumes offlist. Regards, Sharninder ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

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SCO ties up with Guj Govt.!!!!
by jtd 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Of all the idiotic things governments do, this should take the cake. http://www.crn-india.com/breakingnews/stories/69504.html -- Rgds JTD

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Software Wars
by Vihan Pandey 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Hello, This was posted on fsf-friends, i thought i'll share it with all of you :-) The war goes on : http://mshiltonj.com/software_wars/archive/20060129/ Previous battles : http://mshiltonj.com/software_wars/ Regards, - vihan

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Fwd: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
by Aseem Rane 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

Forwarding my bigger mail after ruthlessly trimming it ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Aseem Rane Date: Jan 14, 2007 4:34 AM i am basically building upon the millions(possibly) spent by the creator in > developing, market research for usability and marketing. In FOSS world you need not spend millions developing a software. The community participation builds on the software. Even when companies like Trolltech or MySQL started out as non-free software, down the line they decided to release it as GPL under dual licensing. They might have spent millions on the development but still releasing their software under GPL made perfect sense to them. Probably you can use these examples as case studies. But saying that he should release as distributable is infringing upon his > moral right!(this is indirectly implied when you dub his software as not > free (as in freedom)) FSF people believes in a certain philosophy and they preach it. If you are not convinced they do not adopt any illegal or immoral ways to make you go their way. If you are not convinced they will repeatedly try to convince you. In my opinion there is no "infringing upon his moral right!" here. whether to release your software under GPL solely depends on you. If you do not agree with FSF find a license suitable for your requirements or roll on your own. but just because FOSS philosophy says > that freedom software should be distributable free of charge does not mean > > that it's right. The FOSS philosophy DOES NOT say that you should distribute the software free of charge. Remember Free as in Beer Vs Free as in Freedom??

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
by Debarshi Ray 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

> He has already evaluated brl cad and qcad. What about Varkon? Regards, Debarshi -- Rgds JTD -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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[Commercial]LinuxAsia 2007 - Call for Speakers (dates corrected)
by Niraj Sahay 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

Dear friends, Please excuse me for posting this again with corrected dates. This year, LinuxAsia's main goal is to promote open source innovations from India. Hence, the organising committee (FOSII) invites 'technologists' and 'innovators' from all over India to speak at LinuxAsia 07. The speaker registration page is available at http://www.linuxasia.net/la07/speakers1/speaker.php The broad genre of talks that are invited include: a) Presentations on innovative open source projects developed in India or by Indians. b) Presentations on latest developments in key open source technologies and tools (ex; Eclipse, MySQL, Mono, etc) c) Presentations on initiatives to promote open source innovations in India (ex: Apache) The three-day event has been divided into following broad technology-verticals: First day (31st Jan 07): Trends and innovations in overall open source technologies and desktop technologies Second day (1st Feb 07): Technology trends and innovations w.r.t. software development and databases Third day (2nd Feb 07): Technology trends and innovations w.r.t. tools for IT implementation and network management Please note, that the speaker registration will end on 19th January 2007, and all speaker presentations will be finalised by 22nd January 2007 (evening). Looking forward to your support in taking open source innovations from India to the next level. Best Wishes! Niraj Sahay Team, LinuxAsia 07

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[Commercial]LinuxAsia 2007 - Call for Speakers
by Niraj Sahay 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

Dear friends, This year, LinuxAsia's main goal is to promote open source innovations from India. Hence, the organising committee (FOSII) invites 'technologists' and 'innovators' from all over India to speak at LinuxAsia 07. The speaker registration page is available at http://www.linuxasia.net/la07/speakers1/speaker.php The broad genre of talks that are invited include: a) Presentations on innovative open source projects developed in India or by Indians. b) Presentations on latest developments in key open source technologies and tools (ex; Eclipse, MySQL, Mono, etc) c) Presentations on initiatives to promote open source innovations in India (ex: Apache) The three-day event has been divided into following broad technology-verticals: First day (31st Jan 07): Trends and innovations in overall open source technologies and desktop technologies Second day (1st Jan 07): Technology trends and innovations w.r.t. software development and databases Third day (2nd Jan 07): Technology trends and innovations w.r.t. tools for IT implementation and network management Please note, that the speaker registration will end on 19th January 2007, and all speaker presentations will be finalised by 22nd January 2007 (evening). Looking forward to your support in taking open source innovations from India to the next level. Best Wishes! Niraj Sahay Team, LinuxAsia 07

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MTNL Triband - SSH
by Hozefa Motiwala 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

Hi ! I have a Linux box connected to MTNL triband by D-Link Dsl 502 router. The triband connection also has a Live ip. my query is: 1.) I have opened the iptables for ssh port 22, on the linux box but still cannot get to thru from outside. I have connected the router in bridge mode. Please suggest changes required in the router to enable SSH. Thanks Hozefa.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
by Parthan 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

Sachin G Nambiar wrote: > > Because by doing so, > > he is infringing on the record labels copyright. Thats what copyrights & > > patents are for! To prevent misuse and to protect the > > originator/creator.[point 2] That's why we have been saying patents are *not good*. A song is a way of expressing your feelings, its not a property or an innovation, its a feeling and you want to convey your feelings to others. If you dont want it to be distributable, why you ever release it as a music album ? Ya, I agree you want to make money out of it, but its also true that people think that you ask more money than what they feel its all worth of and hence piracy. > > When i buy a software i have a right to use it in any way i wish. But > > when i distribute it as if it were my own(even with modifications), iam > > basically building upon the millions(possibly) spent by the creator in > > developing, market research for usability and marketing. This is were you are terribly mistaken the whole idea, even a practically proven fact! When you give your software to some one, 1. he uses it 2. If he feels it good in doing his job, a. he suggests the same to his friends. But, his friends also wish to test is themselves so he needs to *distribute*. b. he thinks he can help you in improving the software still better, so he contributes 3. He find some bugs in the software and if he is skilled, gets you some patches so your software becomes less buggy. Hence, when he shares/distributes the software with his friends, more eyes are looking into the software and hence more bugs get *solved* and your software improves. 4. So, its not the only user you gave your software to, but its 10 and 100s of others who voluntarily involve themselves in improving *your* software, just because they like it and think it is useful than others. You need not spend *millions* in this manner to make your software reach high quality, feature richness or get a huge user base. And, a developer who has the skill to create software, and if he is indeed really interested in helping the community with good quality software, will indeed follow the FOSS philosophy we all stand for and not the one which you have misunderstood. The creator has > > every right to stop me from distributing the software because as a > > creator he/she has every right to control who gets the software and who > > does not! Please understand the following 1. Software is knowledge, and hence should be characterized with free-flow, i.e. nothing should prevent it from reaching a user. 2. Software is just a idea made into action. Every person on this earth can have the same idea and find a means of making it do what it is intended to. Nobody owns knowledge or an idea, its all damn stupid if you say *I own an idea*. 3. If you say only the *creator* has the right to give the software to some one and he controls who gets the software and who do not, then that *creator* is going to mess himself to his own end. > > The creator likes the society as a whole to be benefited thats why he > > made the software, but not at his expense! If he does not it's a different > > matter. But saying that he should release as distributable is infringing > > upon his moral right!(this is indirectly implied when you dub his > > software as not free (as in freedom)) If he has truly written something for the benefit of the community then why say 'he decides who uses the *thing* and who doesn't'. If he is really society conscious then its the *society* that should decide whether to use his *thing* or not. And this will occur when the society is free enough to share and test your *thing*. > > If FOSS philosphy says explicitly that every software should be freely > > distributable, then it is infringing upon the fundamental right of the > > creator. If the software is not freely distributable, then its *useless*. If the farmer says he only can determine who eats the rice grown in his field, all his grains are going to rot! If the creator wishes it to be distributed then it's fine. But > > he should have his say. I can choose to modify a particular software > > and sell it under a different license. Selling is not a problem at all, sharing/distribution is the question you are raising against! Yes, i agree who writes the software has the right to do whatever he wants with it, but he has no right to prevent distribution of the software and still want it to call it as *free software*, let him call it as proprietary software, we have nothing against him then. It's a fundamental moral infringement upon the > > creators right. You being able to use a distributable software is your > > privilege not your right! > > LOL! Moral being will share their resources with one another and help for improvement and betterment of one another. Not prevent the freedom of free knowledge just because he losses an additional $$. If you call something as *free software* then free distribution becomes a right. It actually causes the software to reach more users, get more contribution, see much more improvement in quality and hence reach higher heights! If you do not understand or go along with our ideologies of sharing software as knowledge, then our mailing list is not the place to express your ideologies which can not be accepted by us. We agree to the human's right to make money, but we can not accept it or implement it in our way of life. -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com

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Creative Commons India launch on Jan 26th @ IIT Bombay
by Venkatesh Hariharan 14 Jan '07

14 Jan '07

Conference Announcement Creative Commons, India Launch Creative Commons, India [cc-india.org] will be launched on January 26th [4:00 pm to 6:00 pm] at F.C. Kohli auditorium, KReSIT at IIT Bombay, Mumbai. See IIT B Map for directions: www.iitb.ac.in/campus/howto/iitblayout.html [Building No. 37] Confirmed speakers at the launch event: Mr. Joichi Ito [Chairman, Creative Commons] Dr. Catharina Maracke [Creative Commons, Global Coordinator] Dr. Shuddhabrata Sengupta [SARAI-CSDS, New Delhi] - To be confirmed Mr. Nandu Pradhan [President and Managing Director, Red Hat, India] Prof. Deepak Phatak [KReSIT, IIT Bombay] Lawrence Liang [Legal Lead, Creative Commons, India] Brief on Mr. Joichi Ito Mr. Joichi Ito is a Japanese-born and American-educated businessman who has many areas of interest and expertise. He was recently been appointed the Chairman of Creative Commons. He is also the Chairman of iCommons [the international Creative Commons]. He runs the World of Warcraft guild, which is composed of several venture capitalists, CEOs and other influential members of the Internet economy. He also wears many other hats. He is, among other things, general manager of international operations for Technorati, chairman of Six Apart Japan, founder and chief executive of venture capital firm Neoteny, and a board member of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers [ICANN], Mozilla Foundation and the Open Source Initiative. He is is also the founder of Digital Garage, PSINet, Japan and Infoseek, Japan. Mr. Ito will speak about the importance of Creative Commons for a growing global digital culture in light of the launch of the Indian creative commons jurisdiction on January 26th. The intimate interaction between technology, law and culture in digital products is creating new challenges for enterprises, individuals and other organizations. How is the digital landscape getting altered with the emergence of licenses such as creative commons? Can new models be envisaged which will seriously accommodate the sharing ethos of the common individual? These and many more issues will be addressed by Mr. Joi Ito. << Other Events: Two parallel workshops on Creative Commons: January 26th - 27th 1. Do We Need Remix? [ www.techfest.org/workshops/remix/ ] 2. Sharing Is Creating [ www.techfest.org/workshops/sic/ ] Please contact Shishir K. Jha, Project Lead, CC-India for further details: Shailesh J. Mehta School of Management IIT Bombay Powai Mumbai, 400 076 E-mail: skjha[at]iitb.ac.in Tel: 022-25767845

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Offline Installation of Sun Java on Edubuntu Server
by Chirag 13 Jan '07

13 Jan '07

Chirag wrote: >> I require to install Sun Java on Edubuntu Server offline >> >> The problem is that I don't have Internet on the Linux Machine and so need to download the Sun Java for the Linux version and get the things and also need Postgresql and MySQL as the database for the same. >> >> You could use synaptec or adept in another machine to install java .deb packages and then copy them from the /var/cache/apt/archives/ folder in the source machine to the target machine's apt cache folder with the same path. In the source machine, just after the download is over and the screen shows installation start, you can hit 'cancel' to avoid unnecessary installation in the source machine. Then you can apt-get install without the net in the target machine. Regards, Rony. ---------------------------------------------- I am downloading from the Windows and so Synaptic Package manager can't work. I am a little newbie type in the Linux and therefore asking the way to download the Java Thanks in advance CSJakharia Subscribe to bermudaEmail: [input] [input] Browse Archives at groups.google.com --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.

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Ubuntu Edgy CDs are now available
by Baishampayan Ghose 13 Jan '07

13 Jan '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Friends, The Ubuntu-India team is delighted to announce that we have got a shipment of the Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft CDs. We are willing to share this with the LUGs around us and have created a Wiki page with respect to this. You can include your requirements there. What we have in hand are Ubuntu Edgy Desktop CDs (and its variants Kubuntu and Edubuntu for both 32 bit and 64 bit architectures), which are Live CDs with a GUI installer along with it. If you need to install on computers with less than 192 MB of RAM or need to upgrade from an earlier version of Ubuntu, 6.06 LTS ``Dapper Drake'', then we suggest you to download the `Alternate CD' from the Ubuntu Mirror sites. The Wiki link is below http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/EdgyCdRequests We will try our best to meet your requirements depending upon the overall requests from other LUGs as well. Thanking You, Ubuntu-India Team - -- Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose(a)ubuntu.com> Ubuntu -- Linux for Human Beings http://www.ubuntu.com/ 1024D/86361B74 BB2C E244 15AD 05C5 523A 90E7 4249 3494 8636 1B74 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFqM8kQkk0lIY2G3QRAoKsAKC+HJ+jzSYiWwf8BjoKAgCrrHwnnACdFw52 2QLEqWeq21gXg+VLIsSFQIE= =wsb6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Science, Education and Learning in Freedom, and gnowledge portal launch
by Nagarjuna G. 13 Jan '07

13 Jan '07

Conference Announcement A one day conference on "Science, Education and Learning in Freedom (SELF)" is being organized by Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR on 2nd February 2007, at Homi Bhabha Auditorium, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Colaba, Mumbai, India. At this conference distinguished speakers from around the world will talk about free software, free knowledge and open standards, specifically in the context of science and education. On the same occasion, a multilingual community portal (gnowledge.org) of free knowledge for education, developed by the computer laboratory of HBCSE, TIFR will also be launched. A snapshop version of the portal will be distributed on a DVD at the conferencee, which includes offline content of wikipedia.org. The conference will take place from 9am till 6pm, and will have four main sessions. * Inauguration and Launching of the community portal: http://gnowledge.org * Introduction to "SELF: Science, Education and Learning in Freedom" European Commission Project, http://selfproject.eu * CopyLeft in Science, Education and Culture * Protecting Knowledge: Open Standards and Copyleft The conference is open for registration. Please read the full announcement, list of speakers, schedule, venue, registration details etc. at http://self.gnowledge.org/. Please circulate this information to your friends, put it up on your notice boards. Thanks -- SELF Conference Team Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education Tata Institute of Fundamental Research

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[OT?] Is there a TCS LUG?
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 12 Jan '07

12 Jan '07

Hi, Is there anyone from TCS (Tata Consultancy Services) on this list and do you guys know of a TCS LUG? When I was recruited into TCS I was told that there's a Linux User Group in TCS as well. But I couldn't find anything through the TCS employee portal. My search has been even more difficult since I work in client office. Apologies to all others on list but I couldn't even find much of a mention on the internet and saw this as a last resort. Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk

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