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Re: July GLUG meet, and Mumbai Press Club...
by Roshan 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

> While the bandwidth and infrastructure war rages on, > can anybody give > some feedback regarding the propsed (by Anurag) July > GLUG meet to > coincide with the Mumbau Press Club presentation? > Are we having it? I too am curious to know. Are we having it together? Somaiya Vidyavihar has its own campus newspaper, VOICES, and perhaps, this session may seem useful for that. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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[ANN] call for foss student fellows
by Kenneth Gonsalves 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

hi NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC is looking for foss student fellows and mentors. Details here: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/full/AN/ -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org

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[OT] Indian progress after 50 years
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

On 7/10/06, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray <debarshi.ray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well I do not know what was India's condition 50 years back. But I > have often heard my grand father say, that India had enough gold in it > is exchequer to buy England! Coming back to serious business, the Yes, and all that gold was concentrated to a very very small population. Now the situation has slightly improved. Now the moolah is concentrated to a very small population (note that there's one less 'very'). We had close to 90% population which was poor after our independence. The figure has improved after 50 years. We are counted among the more important nations around the world in many respects (defence, commerce, politics). Give it 50 more years and then I think we should be in a position to judge whether we have done well as a nation or not. > current policy of reservations, etc.. would surely make us a 'African' > nation before long. Dr. Kalam's 2020 goal would just remain a distant > dream. :-/ We have "representatives of the common man" in executive power and not visionaries. All reforms are a means to get votes and not for true upliftment. Due to this we have some half baked reforms like reservations. I'm not completely against reservations; they should be implemented in a different manner and at a different level. Reservations in primary schools should be enforced to make sure every child gets atleast the best quality of basic education (upto 12th). Once the playing field levels out there, we can have a fair grounds to judge merit. We are in no position to judge true merit now. Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Siddhesh Poyarekar" <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers@mm.glug-bom.org> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:33:03 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] bandwidth patter
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

> We have come all the way from being like an African nation to what we > are now in just over 50 years. That's a really big achievement. Well I do not know what was India's condition 50 years back. But I have often heard my grand father say, that India had enough gold in it is exchequer to buy England! Coming back to serious business, the current policy of reservations, etc.. would surely make us a 'African' nation before long. Dr. Kalam's 2020 goal would just remain a distant dream. :-/ Regards, Debarshi

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SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10
by Dinesh Joshi 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

JFYI, SuSE is about to release this "vista-killer". http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/47/7150.html Seems to be a great distro and somewhat better than Ubuntu Dapper Drake... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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[ot] bandwidth patterns
by Harsh Busa 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

Hi This is a snip off from a thread abt how sad some isps are monopolistic coz others bill you more etc ... I m just curious how much bandwidth does an average linuxer need each month ? I know it varies from person to person and all sorts of things but just curious. i browse , chat, email , upload photos , update critical upgrades ( whatever they are called ) each month, voip on skype and a few tools ... my appetite is about 700 - 1000 megs monthly. Harsh -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Airtel Broadband In Mumbai
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Dinesh Joshi wrote: ** deleted **** > Read my post carefully. Airtel is the only operator with certain plans > which none of the other operators are offering. Hence a monopoly. > Dinesh, you read carefully first. Making a commercial offer at a lower in price than competitors or different term is not monopoly. Your definition is wrong. Monopoly is like BEST in Mumbai, where no one else is ***allowed*** to ply public use bus services. If 2 cable tv companies, one offering a bundled service while others are offering a per channel cost, does not make the first guy a monopolist. Its a commercial offering, nothing stops others from offering the same, if they are not interested in offering that rate, it also is a commercial decision.....it does not make the other company a monopolist. eg - BSNL offers a student mobile connection at a flat rate of Rs. 100 per month. No other company makes that offer. But that does not make BSNL a monopoly. >> 4. I know the bandwidth and infrastructure prices in India. No player >> can offer decent Internet service without data-throughput caps. If > Excuse me, FLAG and TYCO were acquired by Reliance and TATA > respectively. TYCO alone has like 11000 Gigabits of /unlit/ capacity. > And were you aware the TRAI cut the prices of bandwidth ( leased > lines ) twice? Once it was by ~70%. > TRAI cut the price only because VSNL had monoploy right over the landing station signed 15 years ago. Before that, lease line prices were 20+ times higher than international rates. Besides, the cut was on account of distorted pricing levels between large and small users. The actual cut in rates was done by VSNL while it was still owned by the government. It will still need to come down to 1/4 of what it is today. >> 5. The internet service providers are going to provide services first >> where they can make more money. First they will target corporate >> business, then upmarket housing complex and when that market is > Right. Did you know the ARPU for their mobile operations is ~600INR? > While their potential ARPU for their BB operations can be ~1000INR or > more. Mobile voice arpu is around Rs. 240. It was 600 a long time ago. Worldwide, revenue shifted from voice to value added and data services. But I dont think the arpu for broad band is not Rs. 1000. Most of the connections sold in India are lower. >> 6. The small players can not set up decent infrastructure. Even in so >> called advance markets, there are only very large players in the ***deleted *** > Wait right there. Are you quoting those numbers just like that or do you > have any basis for them? I have done good amount of work in this sector. The figures are based on facts and figures from projects and reports. > Look at my first reply. Leased lines in India > are now costing nearly the same as that of the international markets > No. Anyway, it is not local leased lines, it is international data lines that make the difference. Do you know the cost of providing cable internet services in mumbai ? -You need to buy a bandwidth (Bharti, MNTL, Reliance). at 1:1 and not 1:4 compression -Then you need a local loop operator and pay local loop charges to the locality -Then you need to create and implement an POP (Point of presence) -Then you need to have fiber from the POP to the building -Then you need to local access point in the building to terminate fiber -Finally you will need to take a local wiring to the subscriber's place ***deleted *** > With VoIP being legal in India they are fearing that their Telecom > business will take a hit if they give out broadband connections. Who in > their right minds will pay a telco for a telephone call when he can > make free PC2PC, PC2POTS calls at dirt cheap prices? > PC2POTS calls will need to have a termination charge (see my previous mail). Termination Charge in India (local call) is 30 paisa. Add that to VOIP call cost, well, BPL charges me - Rs. 49 per min. MTNL charges Rs. 1.20 per 3 minute Mumbai to Delhi. VOIP still has a benefit only in International Calls. ****deleted****> > Well that is your usage pattern. But some people do like to contribute > to the legal torrent networks out there. Some people do like to stream > music, videos, have online conferences and like to watch online clips. > Some people actually use the internet for fun. Some people actually > visit youtube.com. Some people actually need to upload large files to > FTP servers for their work. Some people like to download, update their > favorite Linux distros. And some people do use Fedora Core 5 whose > installer / updater is configured by default to use YUM as their back > end and it becomes PAINFULLY slow when one has to wait several hours > for something to download and install. > Such people will therefore need to pay for the additional usage. That is the rule world wide, you pay for what you use. > ****deleted*** > Wake up and smell the coffee! This is not the shell era anymore. The web > is a rich multimedia experience which is hampered only by these slow / > data limited (but fast) connections. I wouldn't mind if these operators > put good amounts of download limits. I mean 40-60GB cap on a 256Kbps > connection is decent... > The connection is available is available, MTNL provides it, but you need to pay for it. 2 mbps, 60GB data limit....... Dont expect to get what you are not willing to pay for. You see, I smell the coffee every day. I work with numbers and with the kind of data you dont have and can only hear about. We use rich cross continent client application in our clients offices, We do voip and video conferencing, we upload and download files which are at times in GB. We work on massive databases and huge graphic imageing files, flash and streaming content files (all ofcourse at our clients offices as it is their work, not mine). Some time back, we did a marketing campaign run for a client where a rich image email was to sent out to 1.8 million registered users of a service. That is huge bandwidth requirement. But in each case, we are willing to pay for the bandwidth, you want to use the same bandwidth but do not want to pay. Regards Saswata

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Airtel Broadband In Mumbai
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Dinesh Joshi wrote: ** deleted **** > Read my post carefully. Airtel is the only operator with certain plans > which none of the other operators are offering. Hence a monopoly. > Dinesh, you read carefully first. Making a commercial offer at a lower in price than competitors or different term is not monopoly. Your definition is wrong. Monopoly is like BEST in Mumbai, where no one else is ***allowed*** to ply public use bus services. If 2 cable tv companies, one offering a bundled service while others are offering a per channel cost, does not make the first guy a monopolist. Its a commercial offering, nothing stops others from offering the same, if they are not interested in offering that rate, it also is a commercial decision.....it does not make the other company a monopolist. eg - BSNL offers a student mobile connection at a flat rate of Rs. 100 per month. No other company makes that offer. But that does not make BSNL a monopoly. >> 4. I know the bandwidth and infrastructure prices in India. No player >> can offer decent Internet service without data-throughput caps. If > Excuse me, FLAG and TYCO were acquired by Reliance and TATA > respectively. TYCO alone has like 11000 Gigabits of /unlit/ capacity. > And were you aware the TRAI cut the prices of bandwidth ( leased > lines ) twice? Once it was by ~70%. > TRAI cut the price only because VSNL had monoploy right over the landing station signed 15 years ago. Before that, lease line prices were 20+ times higher than international rates. Besides, the cut was on account of distorted pricing levels between large and small users. The actual cut in rates was done by VSNL while it was still owned by the government. It will still need to come down to 1/4 of what it is today. >> 5. The internet service providers are going to provide services first >> where they can make more money. First they will target corporate >> business, then upmarket housing complex and when that market is > Right. Did you know the ARPU for their mobile operations is ~600INR? > While their potential ARPU for their BB operations can be ~1000INR or > more. Mobile voice arpu is around Rs. 240. It was 600 a long time ago. Worldwide, revenue shifted from voice to value added and data services. But I dont think the arpu for broad band is not Rs. 1000. Most of the connections sold in India are lower. >> 6. The small players can not set up decent infrastructure. Even in so >> called advance markets, there are only very large players in the ***deleted *** > Wait right there. Are you quoting those numbers just like that or do you > have any basis for them? I have done good amount of work in this sector. The figures are based on facts and figures from projects and reports. > Look at my first reply. Leased lines in India > are now costing nearly the same as that of the international markets > No. Anyway, it is not local leased lines, it is international data lines that make the difference. Do you know the cost of providing cable internet services in mumbai ? -You need to buy a bandwidth (Bharti, MNTL, Reliance). at 1:1 and not 1:4 compression -Then you need a local loop operator and pay local loop charges to the locality -Then you need to create and implement an POP (Point of presence) -Then you need to have fiber from the POP to the building -Then you need to local access point in the building to terminate fiber -Finally you will need to take a local wiring to the subscriber's place ***deleted *** > With VoIP being legal in India they are fearing that their Telecom > business will take a hit if they give out broadband connections. Who in > their right minds will pay a telco for a telephone call when he can > make free PC2PC, PC2POTS calls at dirt cheap prices? > PC2POTS calls will need to have a termination charge (see my previous mail). Termination Charge in India (local call) is 30 paisa. Add that to VOIP call cost, well, BPL charges me - Rs. 49 per min. MTNL charges Rs. 1.20 per 3 minute Mumbai to Delhi. VOIP still has a benefit only in International Calls. ****deleted****> > Well that is your usage pattern. But some people do like to contribute > to the legal torrent networks out there. Some people do like to stream > music, videos, have online conferences and like to watch online clips. > Some people actually use the internet for fun. Some people actually > visit youtube.com. Some people actually need to upload large files to > FTP servers for their work. Some people like to download, update their > favorite Linux distros. And some people do use Fedora Core 5 whose > installer / updater is configured by default to use YUM as their back > end and it becomes PAINFULLY slow when one has to wait several hours > for something to download and install. > Such people will therefore need to pay for the additional usage. That is the rule world wide, you pay for what you use. > ****deleted*** > Wake up and smell the coffee! This is not the shell era anymore. The web > is a rich multimedia experience which is hampered only by these slow / > data limited (but fast) connections. I wouldn't mind if these operators > put good amounts of download limits. I mean 40-60GB cap on a 256Kbps > connection is decent... > The connection is available is available, MTNL provides it, but you need to pay for it. 2 mbps, 60GB data limit....... Dont expect to get what you are not willing to pay for. You see, I smell the coffee every day. I work with numbers and with the kind of data you dont have and can only hear about. We use rich cross continent client application in our clients offices, We do voip and video conferencing, we upload and download files which are at times in GB. We work on massive databases and huge graphic imageing files, flash and streaming content files (all ofcourse at our clients offices as it is their work, not mine). Some time back, we did a marketing campaign run for a client where a rich image email was to sent out to 1.8 million registered users of a service. That is huge bandwidth requirement. But in each case, we are willing to pay for the bandwidth, you want to use the same bandwidth but do not want to pay. Regards Saswata

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] Who's the best police in the world?
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

On 7/9/06, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote: > > Mumbai Police is the second best worldwide, > > who are the best? I think its the Scotland Yard. The Scotland Yard and the Mumbai Police are supposed to be the quickest to respond and have the most efficient and intelligent detectives. Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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Unable to read DVDs in Ubuntu
by bombay news 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

How does one get DVDs to open in Ubuntu? I have a couple of DVDs from Digit magazine to check out. I followed several tips from the websites like installing mc, dvd:rip, etc, but no go. However CDs immediatly create a file on the desktop.... get the following error messages: 91 audio & 204 video codecs Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts. Opening joystick device /dev/input/js0 Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory Can't init input joystick Setting up LIRC support... mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing dvd://1. libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd File not found: '1' Failed to open dvd://1 ------------------- shivkumar@shivkumar-desktop:~$ sudo ln -s /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/cdrom' to `/dev/dvd': File exists pl advise. sk _________________________________________________________________ Fall in Love... Get married! Join FREE! http://www.shaadi.com/ptnr.php?ptnr=msnhottag

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] bandwidth patterns
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

> Well, I have noticed a trend among Winblows users that they use P2P to > download a LOT of pirated software and applications (so called warez) > and a huge amount of movies (read pr0n). If you visit all major Indian > torrent forums, you will see that almost all of them have some type of > broadband connection. > As for me, I do mail (which eats up a lot of traffic), then IRC (which > is also pretty heavy considering the number of channels and servers I am > in) and APT (which is also considerable). That eats up 1 GB each month, > many times even more than that when I dist-upgrade or something. > Well I have been using Linux since the days I did not have an Internet connection..and believe me without an internet connection its pretty difficult to get a Linux box do all the things that a windoze box would do(I am talkin about multimedia capabilities..for office stuff its fine coz OO.o is mostly preinstalled). Also the various dependencies etc take up a lot of downlaod MB's. I have a friend of mine who was actually finding it very difficult to manage all his yum downloads within the 400MB limit in TriBand. I am more fortunate to have unlimited download internet connection. What I wanna say is that average bandwidth usage is actually more in Linux than Windoze(p2p excluded) as the most common software in windoze like Winamp will be readily available from a friend as compared to say xine-libs ,libdvdcss and kaffeine!! (but what the heck..I still like Linux )For my part ...I need around 4-5GB per month for my Linux updates plus music downloads. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Airtel Broadband In Mumbai
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Quoting jtd: > On Sunday 09 July 2006 02:12 am, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > > On Sunday 09 July 2006 01:37, Harsh Busa wrote: > > > I still donot see monopoloy anywhere . i donot understand this . > > > they donot have a billing system in place ... they donot have > > > field staff trained and etc etc hen why would you even go with > > > them even if they gave cheaper than 999 a month ! ... such > > > services wud be called beta and sud be marked free :D > > > > How many players are offering services in the same / similar > > segment? Only one. Thats airtel. Well then it is called monopoly... > > That is a virtual monopoly. There is no restriction on anybody setting > up an Internet service. It is not commercially viable outside limited > pockets to provide "propah" internet services. PC densities are > abysymal and usage patterns even worse. Moreover it is going to stay > that way until voice and voip is unshackled by babudom. At that point > small players will start creating the infrastructure neccessary for a > decent service. > This is an interesting point of view, but I am not sure of its validity. What is implied by 'propah'? The valuation of costs on the basis of downloads in entirely an artefact and bears little or no relation to the actual costs. How much are the other costs (I don't want to know someone's business plans, but merely an idea of the real cost of doing business as an ISP)? I am not sure we have members here who are or represent ISPs, but at least DB used to work for one and can perhaps enlighten us. If commercial organisations do not see value in providing an ethical service, then we need to evolve other models. I find it hard to believe that voip/voice is the only missing element that can make or break a data networking service. I hope I am not repeating something everyone knows (or that I may have posted already) but there will be a conference in Dharamsala in October this year (summit.airjaldi.com) focusing on wireless data naetworking for rural development. Issues of FLOSS will be prominent - I do hope some of you take an interest and sign up to conduct workshops/lectures on practical matters that may help nascent rural network operators understand better how to create viable networks. Or even urban service providers, but so far wifi seems to be the sole preserve of a few fantastically priced hotels and airports. --- Vickram

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Re: OEM, Ubuntu derivatives, FSF India
by Roshan 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

> What do you mean by ``creating'' a Edubuntu > Live CD? When I restarted my computer with Edubuntu CD inside the CD-ROM drive, it showed me Install to Hard Disk Install a workstation among the other common ones. There was no explicit menu for it to function as a LIVE CD. Hence the question! Please let me know, if I am supposed to select the option of Install to Hard disk, which later on, will give an option to select as a LIVE CD or install it. > It's the only > organisation of this type in Asia. Great! >http://gplv3.gnu.org.in/Main/Conference Is there a specific group of target audience ? The webpage states "We need to write about who the conference is meant to reach out to." __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Linux 2.6.17-3 and GF FX5200
by jtd 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Has any one tried 2.6.17-3. 2.6.8.1 (sarge i386) keeps crashing on boot with a GF FX5200se agp card on an i845 mobo (onboard vga disabled). However booting with on board graphics enabled is fine. Strangely running X with Xinerama with both on board and the FX5200 and two monitors works like a charm - except for tvout on the FX5200 Was wondering wether to use 2.6..17-3 or 2.6.16-20. -- Rgds JTD

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[OT] Skype and Debian AMD64
by Kartik Mistry 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Hi, Anyone have Skype+AMD64 working together? (Don't want chroot!) -- ------------------------------------- |Kartik Mistry |kartik.blogspot.com | | 0xD1028C8D |kartik.wordpress.com| -------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SuSe 10.1 issues
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

Well regarding the VCD problem....even in my FC5 box , VCD's dont play in Kaffeine(I tried for the first time yesterday.) But they played perfectly in Mplayer. With the Xine libs and w32 Dlls I could play MPG file extracted from VCD in Kaffeine. So I think its the problem with the new mounting system in SUSE and Fedora.(the one without the fstab entry)..till then use Mplayer. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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OEM, Ubuntu derivatives, FSF India
by Roshan 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

A few questions, few Off-topic, and few others related. 1. What differs in a OEM product and a boxed product? This is in terms of CD-RW / DVD-R/RW drives. I have heard, in OEM drives its core (circuitry) is supplied by the original company, whereas, the casing etc, are assembled by the other. Boxed product include all necessary manuals, software and the drive is manufactured entirely by the company. Can someone confirm this? 2. I have received Ubuntu CD's of 6.06 (Dapper Drake) and 1 CD of Kubuntu, and 1 CD of Edubuntu, I had ordered for. Has anybody tried Edubuntu? Has anyone created a LIVE CD for Edubuntu? 3. From one of the emails in the previous lists, I came across, http://www.gnu.org.in. I didn't know, this portal was up, because, I visited only the internal pages of http://www.gnu.org (Philosophy, why GNU/Linux, etc). But, something that encourages me to be even more enthusiastic about, is that FSF India appears pretty distinguished on the website gnu.org Is it among Asian countries, that, India, is the only country, to have a portal and an active community of FSF? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by bombay news 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

Dear linuxers, The Mumbai Press Club is the latest to join the Linux bandwagon. The Club is providing a platform to demonstrate the benefits of Ubuntu Dapper to journalists in the city. Need volunteers to help break media persons into linux and other open source software like Scribus and GIMP the equivalents to Quark Express and Photoshop that are the main tools of the profession. It should be not take more than an afternoon and evening during a weekend (Friday/Saturday). Those interested may drop in a line at journoshiv (at) gmail.com so that we can work out a schedule. I am sure this would be an ideal opportunity to get more converts for Open Source. Regards Shiv Kumar Special Correspondent The Tribune, Mumbai. _________________________________________________________________ Who will win Bollywoods most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

> Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at > Bombay Press Club > To: linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org > Message-ID: <1152119993.44abf4b93a36b(a)qmail-a.directi.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Quoting Steven Joseph: > > > > > Hmm... techies who are into art and type setting........... > > A rare breed, i must say. > > > > It is also possible... and very desirable... to have a bunch of people into > art > and typesetting here to sharpen their skills on Gimp, Scribus etc. > > Vickram In fact, and probably I am at fault for not asking this before or even googling for it, are there any app user groups within the Indian Linux community? It seems to me this is probably the best way to get some sharp usage of apps and therefore linux based desktops accelerated. Most of the problems posed here on this list appear to be related to desktop or server issues. Someone made a rude ;-) comment about GIMP and scribus in re comparisons with better-known proprietary tools. I have used the former, not the latter, and in many ways it is as convenient as Photoshop. I saw a Scribus presentation at a major trade fair and was really impressed (I have used both Adobe and Quark). Vickram

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LPI certification - prep tutorials
by Arun K. Khan 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

FWIW, LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 prep tutorials by IBM. 1. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/views/linux/libraryview.jsp 2. Topic/Product> Select Certifications 3. Type> Select Tutorials 4. Keyword> enter keywords w/o quotes "lpi exam topic" -- Arun Khan (knura at yahoo dot com) The number of arguments is unimportant unless some of them are correct. -- Ralph Hartley

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Microsoft Sponsored ODF plugin
by Harsh Busa 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2006/07/microsoft_sponsored_odf_plugin.h… <snip> Some very interesting ice thawing out there, and I'm not talking about the arctic tundra (though that's melting too at a rather disturbing rate …). Gerald Bauer, a friend and noted expert in the XUL space twigged my attention to a recently deployed Source Forge project to develop an Open Office ODF plugin for Microsoft Word 2007 (http://odf-converter.sourceforge.net/). While there are a number of participants involved, what I find most interesting is this entry: Microsoft (Funding, Architectural & Technical Guidance and Project co-coordination) While this may be simply a tacit recognition of the writing on the wall, I find it fascinating nonetheless that this is being done 1) as a source-forge project, 2) with both funding and apparent blessing from Microsoft, and 3) that it seems to be a very real effort to reach out to the OSS community in a meaningful way on a technology that could be seen as directly competitive. Watch that space closely - I sense that there are shifts and strains going on at the intermediate management level within Microsoft that may prove to be critical for the evolution of the company in the next several years, and this quiet little project may be simply the vanguard of this approach. </snip> -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Netgear Wireless PCMCIA Card in RHEL 4 WS
by Richard 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

Hi, I have been trying unsuccessfully to get my Netgear MA521 PCMCIA Lancard work under RHEL 4. According to Google, it has a RTL 8180 Chipset and the driver provided in the Realtek website doesn't work with my version of the kernel. Anyone has been successful in getting it worked?. Thanks, Richard

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[Commercial] Cheap Linux, OSS CDs/DVDs
by Raseel Bhagat 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

Hi Everyone, check this link out for Cheap Linux and OSS CDs/DVDs : http://osd.byethost8.com/ Thanks, Raseel. Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

> thats cool but Dr.Nagarjuna's PhD student (forgot her name) gave an > excellent presentation on LaTeX. It'll beat the crap out of any > software. Her name is Ms. Meena Kharatmal. > Do correct me if I am wrong. I did keep away from this thread because I > am neither an expert in Photoshop/Pagemaker/Corel Draw or their > equivalents in Linux. Same here. Cheers, Debarshi

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linux firewall : query
by Vijay Kale 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

Friends, I have one firewall with 4 NIC's , two are connected to ISP's (suppose ISP1 and ISP2) link and other two to 192.168.0.0 and 10.0.1.0 network and have in house mail server 192.168.1.8 running qmail. Current setup is like this: 192.168.0.0-->ISP1 10.0.0.0 --->ISP2 Now my problem is: When ISP1's link goes down i should be able to access mails using ISP2's link. For this to work i have configured two mx entries in my DNS server one IP from ISP1 and other from ISP2.and assigned these two IP's to firewall. i'm able to ping to these IP's from outside. Now when ISP1's link is down, i'm able to ping firewall with IP of other ISP2. but not able to access mails. 1. In this situation How should i configure the firewall to accesss mails in case of link failures. 2. Will i need routing to be configured for this setup to get it working. hope any one answers this query. Regards, Vijay --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on Yahoo! India Click here

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] LPI 101 & 102 exam material
by Amish Munshi 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

> Hi guys! > > > Can anyone suggest some good links for LPI 101 /102 exam material? , or download for test exam, > There is enough material for LPI 1, very little material is available for LPI 2. Get a book, study try getting hands on exp with the topics. Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SuSe 10.1 issues.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

>> Can you please point to a resource or explain how WMV9 can be made to >> work? Yes, it is illegal, but only if you don't own a copy of M$. > I would, if I had access to my desktop. You see, ssh is disabled and > currently the keyboard isn't working and more importantly I cannot get > out of bed. Doctors orders :( And yet you typed this reply. Regards, Debarshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SuSe 10.1 issues
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

RonyBill wrote... > In my xine in suse 10.1, there is no VCD button, only dvb and dvd. I > feel its a scaled down version. When I was compiling the xine-lib from > the tar file, it did have entries for vcds. But the problem is that I > cannot remove the installed rpm as it gives dependency errors of other > players. Totem too does not work. > > In my FC5 there is no xine as the rpm -q does not show any xine entry. > The command 'xine' too does not work indicating there's no xine > installed. However there is totem as well as noatun. They are supposed > to be xine guis. Totem can list my vcd in its file menu but it cannot > run it as it gives an error of 'cannot find path'. (in both oses) > > I have observed that the new linux OSes don't have entries for cd drives > in fstab. Are the new kernels using some virtual method of mounting cds? > They don't show up in the mount command either. > > Could you give an exact list of steps you took to load FC5 and get xine > working? If anyone else can give the same steps for Suse 10.1 then that > would be great. > Well rony ...I use FC5 and xine works perfect for me. Here's what I did... 1] Enable freshrpms repo in yum/yumex (I prefer yumex) 2] do yum install xine-lib kaffeine (its not 'xine' ..its 'xine-lib') 3] Have all the win32 dll files in /usr/lib/win32/ 4]this will play all your vcd's and most avi files. 5] If you want all media capabilities, do 'yum install mplayer mencoder ' This is also from the freshrpms repo.Mplayer simply rocks. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

Quoting Steven Joseph: > > Hmm... techies who are into art and type setting........... > A rare breed, i must say. > It is also possible... and very desirable... to have a bunch of people into art and typesetting here to sharpen their skills on Gimp, Scribus etc. Vickram

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SuSe 10.1 issues.
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

Hello All, I tried out suse 10.1 on my system. Installation was smooth and the variety of softwares was great. The video and sound was properly detected and network is working properly too. There are some issues though that have taken a full day of mine but no result still. This time I did not use the shortcut method of installing VLC for playing vcds. The win32 dll rpm was installed and xine 1.1.1 is already in my system. Still I am getting errors while opening vcds in kaffeine. The xine website shows no extra lib file to be installed and the Yast auto updater was one big PIA that only drained out my limitted triband Mbs. The packman site link taken from google does not open. There is also a minor issue about mounting CDs. There is no entry for cd drives in the fstab but the system shows up the cd in 'My Computer' of suse and creates a virtual mount point in the /media folder of the same name as the cd title. Even then the mount command does not show any optical drives. I am able to see files and folders in the cds. Are these 2 issues connected? Though I must add that a avseq01.dat file in my hdd still did not play in kaffeine. In the case of the cd drive if I select 'Open VCD' in the kaff. options, it throws an error 'could not locate drive' and asks for the path. When I give the path /dev/hdb, it closes and gives a bug report type error. The same directly happens if I select the .dat file directly on the hdd. Normally what do you guys do with xine just after a fresh OS installation? Can you give the steps? I even successfully installed xine-lib-1.1.1 from source using make install, only to realise that it was already installed as an rpm. So using make uninstall, it was removed. However before it was removed, I could play a vcd once but could not repeat the process. Any help on this will be appreciated. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail � Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press > Club
by bombay news 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

In a way, I agree with Kenneth about the disadvantages of convincing fellow journos abt the benefits of open source. Most still confuse high price with quality. But then the open source community is quite insular and has never really tried to reach out to the larger public. I hope I am able to make a small difference. Hopefully colleagues in the desk who work daily on Quark Express and Photoshop see the benefits of open source and convince cost-conscious managements to make a switch. Shiv Kumar >From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> >Reply-To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> >To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at >BombayPress Club >Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 06:09:25 +0530 > > >and although i hate to rain on the parade, it is going to be a hell of a >job convincing journalists that gimp, inkscape, scribus are the >'equivalent' of _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? Its cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in

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Re: Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by Vic Cris 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

Know your audience: --- Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On 05-Jul-06, at 1:47 AM, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > > > On 05/07/06 01:07 +0530, Steven Joseph wrote: > >> Hi , > >> > >> I'd be more than happy to volunteer for this, I > have not used > >> these tools but > >> i have sound knowledge of the ubuntu system. > >> > > Please stop top posting. I suspect though that > someone with more > > experience in those tools would be better in this > particular case. > > A Scribus/GIMP expert would be more suited to > answer questions than an > > Ubuntu expert (since this is going to be a rather > distro independent > > issue). > > and although i hate to rain on the parade, it is > going to be a hell > of a job convincing journalists that gimp, inkscape, > scribus are the > 'equivalent' of quark express, corel draw, adobe > illustrator ... > What makes you think that the journalists who show up for the meeting will have any knowledge of any of these apps? Either the proprietary or OSS ones? What is needed for this demo is a few slides or how-tos that show that you can do straightforward cut/paste on pictures in Gimp, and text/graphic placement in Scribus (plus create a document of up to about 150 pages), with accompanying style sheets/templates. This will take a little preparatory work, but it is in a good cause, right? Actually, since it is raining quite hard in any case, let me add my own dampening comments: the journos who show up are not going to be decision-makers on technology in their own outfits. Focus on showing them that non-proprietary and not-so-well known apps actually do work, that's all. If you can prepare some screenshots in advance, hand them out on CD so the journos will hopefully use them in their stories (ie, I hope this exercise results in stories). And carry a wooden leg: the bar at the Press Club is really very reasonably priced. Vickram ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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If the Beatles were hackers.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 04 Jul '06

04 Jul '06

Eleanor Rigby (with apologies to the Beatles) Eleanor Rigby Sits at the keyboard and waits for a line on the screen Lives in a dream Waits for a signal Writing some code that will make the machine do some more Who is it for? All these lonely users, where do they all come from All these lonely users, where do they all belong Hacker Mackenzy Writing the code for a program that no one will run Its nearly done. Look at him working. Fixing the bugs late at night when there's nobody there nobody cares. All these lonely users, where do they all come from All these lonely users, where do they all belong Ahhhh.... look at all those lonely users... Ahhhh.... look at all those lonely users...

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Re: big indian banks dont allow firefox
by Roshan 04 Jul '06

04 Jul '06

> also with tables, you dont get ie problems What does this mean ? Apparently, this discussion thread can be renamed as "Browser/HTML/CSS thread" Anyways it is interesting to read each reply to this thread. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: big indian banks dont allow firefox
by Roshan 03 Jul '06

03 Jul '06

> HTML standards compliance is absolutely unheard of > in colleges Oh! I thought, syllabi in engineering degree courses were better off as compared to the ones in UGC/university. There are a few websites of airlines like Air Deccan and Go Air, who haven't developed compliant websites. I had to use Internet Explorer for their websites! But I wonder, is it really a browser war or the rendering engine war (Trident, Gecko, Presto) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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[OT] MTNL Invalid User ID Problem
by Sameer Bagwe 03 Jul '06

03 Jul '06

Hi everybody. I work in Pune and come home to Mumbai on weekends..I wanted to check my account daytime balance and I entered my telephone no. as the user id as usual and correct password and it says Invalid User ID .. My connection is ON all bills cleared then what the heck is wrong. Also the same username/password is used on the ADSL router (PPPOE) to authenticate to the server and only then you can surf.so I guess there is a problem on their webserver. any1else with the same problem?? I know they have changed the timings for checking your account information @ register.mtnl.net.in.but I was checking when the service was available. Regards.

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[Commercial] System Engineer - Mumbai
by Animesh Singh 03 Jul '06

03 Jul '06

Mumabi - LUG, There is opening for System Engineers ( full time ) at GTL Limited. Job Skill: 1. Strong in designing and coding modules in c & c++. 2. Good knowledge and hand on BPF programming. 3. Strong in Socket programming. 4. Good in perl/shell/awk/sed scripting/programming. 5. Experience in writing linux kernel module programming. 6. Good knowledge of Linux kernel Internal ( adv. other *nix kernel ). 7. Good knowledge of Linux Device Driver Programming. Interested candidate please send e-mails on follwoing e-mail IDs: 1. mamtas(a)gtllimited.com 2. asingh(a)gtllimited.com Regards, Animesh. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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Darwin and the further evolution of FOSS
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 02 Jul '06

02 Jul '06

Darwin (4) Here is the crucial point. The principles of FOSS and scientific inquiry converge. In practical terms, how else can you know is what happening in your experiments? Free and open source software, open standards, best promote the scientific endeavor by mirroring its method, but also they assure that the work is accessible to the public. Freedom and openness are crucial to understanding, and foundational to the scientific endeavor, and they should not be compromised. There are a few examples of exceptions, but clearly, this matter will find further debate in the appropriate forums. We should not quell debate because a few people are offended or complaining. - From a scientific perspective that would be incorrect. On that last point, I would suggest that Apple get on the right side of the debate, and they will make tremendous headway. Now is the time. Some people will find this message annoying and divisive, and the delete button is ready at hand for them, but other people will find it interesting and engaging. All as you like. Let us not quell discussion because a few people are annoyed. Some will call this a troll, but I hope that folks will see through such name-calling. Trolls are mythological creatures, so don't believe in them. Everyone has a right to have their opinion heard, even if those opinions are divisive or unpopular. It is clear that the idea of trolls is being used to attack freedom of expression. In fact, freedom of expression demands that we listen to the so-called-trolls sometimes, and if you are civil, it helps, so don't resort to name-calling. On cross-posting; when there are matters of urgent importance that affect a broad range of subscriber lists, courtesy must sometimes take a back seat, and cross-posting is an example of that. Cross-posting is to be encouraged when the subject of the post is on topic. Each of the various lists will respond in the way that seems appropriate to the people in that forum, and the threads on the various lists will diverge accordingly. As the threads diverge, the cross-posting addresses should be removed as needed. Relevance to all people is an unattainable goal, but messages of the broadest applicability should have the broadest reach, and discussion should not be stymied because some find it irrelevant. I have given this method due consideration; it is not trolling, not spam, not off-topic, and cross-posting is an example of something that is sometimes required according to the felt importance and relevance of a given subject matter. In summary, Freedom and openness are now the bedrock of our civilization and public welfare depends on these values, so that we should actively engage ourselves in preserving and making them happen. In keeping with these principles it is crucial to note that there are exceptions to etiquette, otherwise free expression will be overly channeled, damped, and ultimately suppressed in our forums. This notion of courtesy will certainly receive additional consideration, but meanwhile, let us together get to work on the activism now. Duly, I am amenable to valid criticism and able to respond, but please reply with kindness. Obviously, feel free to write back, copy, or send these comments along to anyone else as you see fit. Regards, Michael L. Love Ph.D Department of Biophysics and Biophysical Chemistry School of Medicine Johns Hopkins University 725 N. Wolfe Street Room 608B WBSB Baltimore MD 21205-2185 Interoffice Mail: 608B WBSB, SoM office: 410-614-2267 lab: 410-614-3179 fax: 410-502-6910 cell: 443-824-3451 http://www.gnu-darwin.org/

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Darwin and the further evolution of FOSS
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 02 Jul '06

02 Jul '06

Darwin (3) Here is the essence of the current problem with Darwin OS. Apple replaced working boot code with the following proprietary drivers, which are required for the system to boot. Darwin-7: AppleAPIC.kext/ Applei386genericplatform.kext/ Darwin-8: AppleACPIplatform In addition the kernel (xnu) has been taken proprietary in the recent revisions. We are not asking for Apple to give away such things, but rather to continue maintaining Darwin OS as FOSS, which it already was. After repeated attempts by many FOSS developers to get this situation remedied, nothing has happened. It is now time for us to better use the measures at our disposal in order to assure that Darwin OS remains free and open. If you are unhappy that xnu and the boot drivers have not been released, I would encourage you to spread your dissatisfaction to other forums, so that Apple will take notice and commit to a workable free and open Darwin OS from now on. Moving on to coalition strategy now, some of you may not know that GNU/Linux system administration is one of my day jobs. I manage a wide range of systems. Here is a screen-shot of my work desktop, so that you can see I use the same tools at work that I use at home at night on GNU-Darwin. (weekends too, so please read I am your friend) http://proclus.gnu-darwin.org/debian.html The only time that I ever use proprietary software is when I am trying to help other users learn free and open source free software. I'm a long time Apple and GNU/Linux user, and here is the old proof doc ;-}. http://proclus.tripod.com/indulge.html Now, it is embarrassing but, I want you to have a look at my cv. http://biophysics.med.jhmi.edu/love/thesis/cv6.html In all my years I have never used Microsoft Windows. There are only two exceptions to this statement, where I was helping Windows users to access our servers at Hopkins. Clearly, you can get a few things done without it ;-}. One of the primary reasons for founding GNU-Darwin was to help people to put Microsoft behind them, and it is definitely possible to do it now. You have many resources at your disposal to help you leave Microsoft behind. Look at the link below to see what you can do with free software. Apple, GNU-Darwin, GNU.org, and GNU/Linux will all help, and we are largely all helping together, because we have a shared foundation of free software. http://www.gnu-darwin.org/gdc/ Microsoft is only one example. That is why we are so insistent that Apple keep true to free and open source software principles. We should ultimately try to leave all proprietary software behind us, so that we can participate fully in the freedom and openness of the internet culture and public domain. What more do we need, when we have such a rich store of information and so many capable people at our sides? Finally, as a scientist, it is obvious to me that this situation is relevant current and ongoing discussion in the scientific community, and as such, it is also clear that many members of the various lists would be interested in the current state of Darwin with respect to FOSS and with respect to science.

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Darwin and the further evolution of FOSS
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 02 Jul '06

02 Jul '06

Darwin (2) It is clear that scientific tools must be demonstrably and penetratingly understood, or else our claims will likely be skewed and called into question. Free and open source software is a great example of how to make your science verifiable to the public. Establishing prior art against future patents is another good one, which is precisely analogous in method, making the result explicit to the public, free and open to all. Thank goodness for the free and open software movement, which gave us such a great example of how to serve the public in this manner. I am willing to grant that there are particular exceptions to these rules of freedom and openness, and such exceptions may be relatively harmless; however, let us posit the opposite, that freedom and openness are _not_ crucial to understanding. Think of the implications. When people are compelled to learn, they do not receive the intended message. It is not understood correctly or completely. When crucial facts are withheld from the people you are trying to teach they become paranoid, possibly unteachable. Freedom and openness are obviously the best approach to understanding. This is not a metaphor for the pursuit of science, but a fact. We are learning from nature, and it is ultimately required that our tools be demonstrably and penetratingly understood, or else we will receive incorrect lessons from nature. Clearly this requires public access to the source code and more. This is why many of us are pressing for public access to scientific publications. Moreover FOSS tools are becoming ever more important to the pursuit of the scientific endeavor itself. In our biophysics department we are obsolescing proprietary hardware and software in favor of open standards and free software, which is a widespread phenomenon in the science sector, and sure to continue. We build most of the workstations ourselves with commodity hardware, but we also have some clusters running Debian and FedoraCore. Some of you will know that I am the lead developer for the GNU-Darwin distribution. GNU-Darwin has a FOSS operating system, which is getting alot of press these days. Here is an example How Apple and Microsoft are advancing desktop Linux http://www.desktopLinux.com/news/ns7294331817.html I see the article as counter-productive against building a FOSS coalition that includes democracy, freedom, and public access activists, Apple, GNU-Darwin, GNU, and GNU/Linux all linked together in spectrum. It is important to alert the whole FOSS community that Darwin cannot be classified as a free or open source operation system as of the Darwin-8 revision, because AppleACPIplatform-39 which is required to boot the system is proprietary. It is notable that only the current version of Darwin from Apple is a non-free OS. GNU-Darwin has a free version, an earlier revision that includes the source code. It is FOSS, and we call upon Apple to maintain Darwin as such, as it has been in the past. We hope that the current situation with the kernel and ACPI driver will soon be remedied so that Darwin will continue as a FOSS OS. We are asking for free software developers to please write to the *nix core of Darwin, which is the core OS for both Mac OS X and GNU-Darwin OS. Darwin OS, which underlies both systems, comprises parts from GNU, the BSD's, mach, plus Apple's substantial contributions to the free software community. Be consistent with your philosophy and avoid linkage to proprietary binaries, such as OpenGL and CoreAudio, except when it is imperatively required in order to lead users to the values of software freedom. Under that principle, another reason to maintain compatibility with the *nix core, is so that your code will be readily portable to new platforms and usable by free-software-only aficionados too. GNU-Darwin OS is not an obsolete implementation of Darwin OS, or to be superseded by Mac OS X. We are trying to lead users to freedom, not away from it. By maintaining Darwin core compatibility your code will remain valuable as the marketplace and industry continues to evolve (trust me here), particularly as DRM-related problems continue to come forward. Of course, that means releasing your source code under a FOSS license, such as APSL. Darwin OS is a free and open source operating system that is not going away, so try to focus your coding towards supporting that standard instead of proprietary software.

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Darwin and the further evolution of FOSS
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 02 Jul '06

02 Jul '06

Thought some of you might enjoy reading this well presented argument from Darwin (it's a bit long, so I have divided it in four parts, each numbered at the top of the post). Darwin (1) The values of freedom and openness are crucial to understanding itself, so that civilization and public welfare now depend on them, as I argue below. These values may find their best expression in the free and open source software (FOSS) movement, and the foresightful example of FOSS developers should now be beneficially applied to many other disciplines in the context of a global and public Internet. It is crucial that we occasionally take time to discuss the reasons _why_ we release our source code, and this is one of those occasions. There are good reasons for the freedom and openness which are characteristics of FOSS development, reasons which should receive wider attention now that they can be readily communicated to other arenas. The consequences of doing otherwise are often catastrophic. For example, it incomprehensible that Genentech could consider withdrawing a cheap cure for blindness (ARMD) from the market. http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/random-bits/2006-june/001374.html The mechanism of this drug is public knowledge. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=14183567&forum_id=60… This abhorrent situation is a great example of the kind of thing that will happen if people don't get behind the values of freedom and openness that we are espousing. Please let Genentech know that you find what they are doing offensive. Publicize the mechanism so that new compounds can be obtained as replacements. For the future, continued vociferous public activism is required to prevent such outrages from occurring in the future. It becomes clear that the compounds which come from common roots, fruits, and vegetables are a shared human heritage and the free and open source of the future. Tannins are another interesting case in point, because as molecules, and as anti-oxidents, they are similar to resveratrol (resV), and that molecular mechanism has been anchored to the public domain via a prior art declaration. It is a so-called CR-memetic, which may increase healthy human longevity by many decades. Here are some links about it. Resveratrol mechanism posts from GNU-Darwin list http://proclus.gnu-darwin.org/gdposts.html CR protocol for human bodies http://proclus.gnu-darwin.org/bootstrap.html Here is some important recent news about it. http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&act=print&client=printer&f=237&t=… It is exciting to suppose that people can get off the pharmaceuticals that they are taking with calorie restriction or CR-memetics. I personally am trying to get off the cholesterol drug Pravachol, a statin compound, starting a few of weeks ago. Write me, and I'll let you know how it turns out. From the article... "Fontana says ... evidence of "younger" hearts in people on calorie restriction, suggest that humans on CR have the same adaptive responses as did animals whose rates of aging were slowed by CR." I think that it is time to look at the tannins in tobacco leaves. There may be other treasures lurking there too. As you may be aware there is ample public research into any possible beneficial compounds that may be obtained from tobacco leaves. The mechanisms are there waiting to be discovered. If you want to post them, just reply to me and I'd be delighted to host them. The public establishment of prior art is a time-honed method of entering inventions into the public domain. We now have other methods at our disposal as well. If you are planning to establish prior art against future CR-memetic related patents, you might want to have a look at www.creativecommons.org. Perhaps it goes without saying at this point that you should please choose a license that provides for free and broad public access to your memetic. In that way you will assure that the public health is served by anchoring them to the public common, where they cannot be exploited by those who would withhold them for their own profit. The DRM situation is precisely analogous to this. Can you imagine doing science in a world where your ability to read and write your data is filtered through secret protocols that are hidden from you? I recommend the Defective By Design campaign to fight the outrage of DRM, which is incompatible with the scientific pursuit. http://www.defectivebydesign.org/

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Creative - or, uncommonly, licensed by M$
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 02 Jul '06

02 Jul '06

Lessig needs no introduction: a very well-reasoned and productive argument. The following was posted by Lawrence Lessig on June 21, 2006. http://www.lessig.org/blog/ Just got off the plane to Rio where we're holding the second iCommons iSummit, so this is a bit delayed. But today, Microsoft has released a free Office plug-in that enables you to mark Office documents (Word, Excel and PowerPoint) with Creative Commons licenses. This has been in the works for a while, and is an extremely cool development. The plug-in will modify the FILE menu, adding an item "Creative Commons" and then when selected, link the user out to the CC site to select a license to be inserted into the license. The first document licensed with the tool is a speech by Brazil's Culture Minister and supercool musician, Gilberto Gil, about tropicalism. (en) (pt). Before I got on the plane yesterday, I was on some press calls about the announcement. Many were surprised CC and Microsoft would work together. Ever the naive law professor, that surprise surprises me. Office is a tool for creating. Giving the creator more control over that creativity is a way to make the Office platform more valuable to creators. And by incorporating CC licenses, more valuable to the public. "But isn't it strange for MSFT and Lessig to team-up?" I was asked. Well, I have yet gotten the team jersey, but no, it isn't. Microsoft has been on the right side of a number of important issues spectrum, net neutrality, identity and I'm very glad they're on the right side of this issue too. Giving creators the tools to mark their creativity with the freedoms they intend it to carry is a fantastically good thing to do. "But it's just for the Windows platform, isn't it?" True enough. Now we need some enterprising sort to make a plug-in for Office on the Mac, as well as Garageband, OpenOffice, and many others. Let the competition begin.

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Ext4 Filesystem Development
by Sameer Bagwe 02 Jul '06

02 Jul '06

Proposal and plan for ext2/3 future development work Source: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/6/28/454

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] big indian banks dont allow firefox
by Roshan 01 Jul '06

01 Jul '06

> A tip to all webdevs who apply for a job. If you > have a crappy website, > don't put it on your resume. How does one define a crappy website? Just curious to know, what an employer looks for when he's hiring a web developer. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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FW: Judge voids most of SCO claims
by Arun K. Khan 01 Jul '06

01 Jul '06

Some of you may have read about the 28/Jun/06 SCO v/s IBM hearing. For those who have not, here is a summary: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060630152635501 -- Arun Khan Linux is like a wigwam - no gates, no windows, apache inside

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help with CGI
by ryan coelho 01 Jul '06

01 Jul '06

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote : > >On 28-Jun-06, at 11:03 AM, ryan coelho wrote: > >>I have been wanting to configure cgi-bin with apache. I have done it before and now I am having no luck. >> I want to do this on Red Hat 9. > >afaik it is configured out of the box - what are you trying to do? > > >-- regards > >Kenneth Gonsalves Hi Kenneth / All, Thanks for your instant support. What I am trying to do is simply run the Linux O.S. commands using CGI + Apache. This is so I can run simple scripts and show output through HTML. So far I have done the following. a) In httpd.conf ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/ b) Started Perl /usr/bin/perl -w & Now I am not exactly Knowing What to do . If someone can give me in simple steps a simple configuration and sample CGI script + I will be reading the links sent by you guys Regards Ryan Coelho >Associate, NRC-FOSS >lawgon(a)au-kbc.org > > > > >-- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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[ANN] Drupal Internship by Drupal/CivicSpace/OpenNGO
by Warren Noronha 01 Jul '06

01 Jul '06

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FW: [ILUG-BOM] big indian banks dont allow firefox (fwd)
by Philip Tellis 30 Jun '06

30 Jun '06

Got this response from someone at IDBI. email address and disclaimer removed before forwarding. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vishal Kapoor Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:54 PM Dear Sir We got a google alert for the discussion you were having on gnowledge.org. I have read through the whole thing. I wanted to reply to this there itself but could not find a way of doing it. And your mail ID was decipherable. It would be great if you could tell the people on the discussion that we are fully aware of the issue and are working to rectify it. The fact is that the development of the site started quite a while back. At that time Firefox was not so widely used. We are currently testing the site and it will soon be available on Firefox too. Regret the inconvenience. Thanking in anticipation. Warm regards Vishal Kapoor Manager-Marketing IDBI Capital Market Services Limited www.idbipaisabuilder.in

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Re: [OT] MTNL Triband Nu Users Beware - Part Of Your Downloads During Nu Hours May Be Charged To Your Non-nu Quota Of 1gb/mo.
by Amish Mehta 30 Jun '06

30 Jun '06

Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >On Monday 26 June 2006 13:55, Rony wrote: >> In case anyone is using 2 cards in their net access machine, then its >> better to keep the cable connection in the PCI card and LAN in the >> on-board one. A PCI card is more easy to replace. > >Doesnt matter. A lightning will kill your board no matter whether its a >PCI or an onboard card... Nope. 3yrs back lightening took away my PCI card but comp worked. Then just 4days back one of my customers "on board" card blew because of lightening. But comp and LAN (PCI card) worked. So its not necessary that lightening will take away mother board. Amish.

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installing macromedia flash in ubuntu
by bombay news 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

Dear all, am trying to install macromedia flash in ubuntu to be shared by firefox and opera. now having downloaded the package on the desktop, i cannot install it. I am getting the following error message: Proceed with the installation? (y/n/q): y cp: cannot stat `/home/shivkumar/Desktop/libflashplayer.so': No such file or directory cp: cannot stat `/home/shivkumar/Desktop/flashplayer.xpt': No such file or directory cp: cannot stat `/home/shivkumar/Desktop/libflashplayer.so': No such file or directory NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser. chmod: cannot access `/home/shivkumar/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so': No such file or directory chmod: cannot access `/home/shivkumar/.mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt': No such file or directory chmod: cannot access `/home/shivkumar/.opera/plugins/libflashplayer.so': No such file or directory Installation complete. Perform another installation? (y/n): pl. tell me what to do. shiv kumar _________________________________________________________________ Who will win Bollywoods most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp

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