Linuxers November 2002

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LINK: Wanted contacts in embedded software
by Frederick Noronha 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

A friend from Japan, Sandor Markon <markon(a)rd.fujitec.co.jp> is a manager of a Japanese manufacturer and is involved with introducing GNU/Linux to the firm. The firm is considering to start outsourcing software projects in India, and is doing an initial survey here. He will be attending LinuxBangalore2002 from Dec 3-5 in Bangalore. "Seeing how active you are on the Indian Linux scene, I wonder if you might want to help me with the initial inquiries, perhaps by introducing me to some people or companies that you know," he writes. If you are working in the field and are interested, please get in touch. He is interested in getting in touch with embedded systems development capacities, software engineering tools, development environment customization etc., "but of course also in more general software capabilities, too". Contact details as below: Sandor Markon FUJITEC Co.Ltd. World HQ, 28-10, Shoh 1-chome, Ibaraki, Osaka, JAPAN Tel: 0726-22-8148 Fax: 0726-22-8274 email: markon(a)rd.fujitec.co.jp -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.2409490/2409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com fred at bytesforall dot org * Mobile 9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference ... on what makes *the* difference "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history... with the possible exception of handguns and tequila." - Anon.

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PPTP on Linux
by Devendra Parulekar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hi I have been trying to make my Linux kernel MPPE and PPTP aware. Tried downloading the i386.rpms (for pptp and mppe) from pptpclient.sourceforge.net and proceeded as per the James Cameron's howto (for Psyche - RH 8.0). http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-redhat-80.phtml But, after proceeding through the entire cycle of rebuilding kernel modules et al, I still get a message (from pptp-command) that kernel is not supporting pptp. a) pppd daemon does not start...same excuse. Kernel release version 2.4.18-14 b) On further investigation (modprobe -v pptp or mppe); it shows up an error in a file called ppp_generic.o saying 'uresolved symbol' at various lines of code. c) # kernel-modules/kmodinst.sh kernel-modules/new-2.4.18-14/ When i perform this action ...module dependencies command returns some errors. Has anyone had any success in the same? Pls help...as I need to connect to my Cable ISP's VPN box (thru ethernet) to access email. Regards Deven PS - A lot of RTFM has already happened, so lemme pre-empt that reply. ;-) ______________________________________________________________________ The information contained in this communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. Ernst & Young is neither liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt.

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Mail signatures and Egos :)
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

well well...somebody's ego trip just doesnt end. Philip for your sake i'll make sure the signal to noise ratio is in control. And its ok if you don't read the content of my mail its never intended for you.Don't trouble yourself so much over diclaimer's and the like, just let them be. Sorry if any more egos were hurt because of my mails. :) rgds, kiran ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " I'd rather regret things I've done than regret things I never got to do." Leti G. --- Texas This goes for anything in your life. I like to live by this quote. To me, it means that I need to do things I want to do, when I want to do them. I'm not going to get to live my life over again! Sure, sometimes there'll be consequences, but I'd rather say I got to do them. When I grow old and am telling my grand children and great-grand children about my life, I don't want to be wishing I'd done more! ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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plz help me
by vamsi krishna 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hi i am vamsi ,project associate from iiit allahabad,india. i have a Dlink DMI-128ESU ISDN (External) TA, which i want to configure it on linux.can u tell me the way out to do this.i have to enable mlppp and not ppp for which the init string is AT%A2=6 ,i have use this AT command for configuring the modem.please kindly tell me a solution. vamsi __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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"Linux 7.1"
by Satya 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

I'm a member of another LUG. On the LUG mailing list, someone made the mistake of referring to "Linux 7.1". Here is Eric Ortega's reply: On Nov 28, 2002 at 13:18, Eric Ortega wrote: >You actually, unless you have a time machine, do not have a copy of Linux >7.1. You have a copy of Redhat 7.1, which is a completely different ball >of wax than just the Linux kernel. Note that Debian is around version 2 or >something, Mandrake is at 9 or thereabouts, and the kernel hackers are >banging around on Linux 2.5. > >Confusing the kernel with the rest of the distribution is an easy mistake >to make in the beginning but it's like dragging your fingernails down >a chalkboard to people who know a little bit more. It's in your best >interest to clarify the difference in your own mind if you hope to present >yourself as anything more than a wholly helpless (and therefore not worth >the effort) newbie. Once you square that small thing away will you have >already opened up many more avenues for help. :) He also requests that the last sentence be changed to: Once you square that small thing away you will have already opened up many more avenues for help. :) But I can't do that. :-P -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf Cap'n! Cap'n! the UART's will'nae take the speed!

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Re: PPTP on Linux
by Ashish Kulkarni 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Ninad: hello? you send a 500kb attachment to a mailing list? assuming there are 200 people on this list, that's a bandwidth of 100MB wasted!! Do you like wasting resources this way? If you ever post to a mailing list, you post URLs to a uploaded file, or send it directly to person involved. Even a attachment of more than ~10kb is generally frowned upon in mailing lists. I sincerely hope you brush up on your netiquette. - Ashish.

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Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-lunacy
by Trevor Warren 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:33:02 +0530 "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> wrote: > > > > Hello Luggers.... > > > > http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/showwho.php > > > > 17pple and calling for more.... > > > Roll me in! [snip] Pls sign up dear. The url is as stated above. Just remove the showwho.php. Also...call all of those to-be lugger who wanna have fun and learn too..:) Bye for now. Trevor > > Amol Hatwar -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: computer books for sale !!
by akshaysalkar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

well i can assure u mister that u cant get the books for above a 20% discount at computer book shops. any ways ... just selling some books off my shelf. adios. -- linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: akshaysalkar writes: > Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 20%-25% >approx. off the normal price) What do you mean by "normal" price? If you mean the printed price then this is a joke indeed. You get 20%-25% discount on the MRP directly on cash payments at shops like Compter Bookshops - on NEW books. > Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. huh? quasi _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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mailing strategies by Tom Christiansen on clpm
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

This used to posted frequently on comp.lang.per.misc for obvious reasons - The following message will be posted periodically until observed clue-levels in these parts improve, or until the heat death of the Universe arrives. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: To send better messages, please trim and summarize what you're replying to, and integrate your quoted text with the body of your message. Don't just put everything at the end. This isn't Jeopardy. People expect question-and-answer, not answer-and-question responses. LONG STORY: Wouldn't you like to make your messages easier for others to read and understand? If so, I have some news posting tips for you. If not, just ignore this. (Of course, if you don't want your messages easier to read and understand, it's not clear why you bother to send them in the first place. :-) I'm going to take a bit of time to explain this, because newcomers to Usenet often lack the cultural background were I to send a superbrief message. Here's the issue: you appear to have quoted the entire message to which you were replying. Worst of all, you have done so by merely appending the complete message at the bottom. Folks are used to reading the original material first, then the follow-up. That's why it's called a "follow-up", you know. :-) If all you want to do is forward a copy of the message, that's one thing, but here you seem to have just blindly pasted the complete old message at the end without providing any content. This is neither a proper public followup nor even a decent private reply. Here's why. First of all, this is massive overkill -- you're supposed to trim your quoted text to only what you're replying to. Otherwise you'll probably violate the netiquette target quoting percentage of 50%. See below. This isn't really an issue of space (I know that a few bytes here and there mean less today than 20 years go), so much as it is of integrating your comments with the old material for continuity. Second, putting everything at the bottom does little good. It doesn't provide the proper context. It's far too late. When you reply to someone's content, the reason you quote the previous message is so that you can provide some degree of contextual continuity. The best way to do this is to interleave what you're quoting with your responses to that particular piece. That means that you should provide a quoted portion, then address what the points therein, then another quoted section, etc. For example, here's how followup replies *should* look if you'd like them to be more effective. > Joe said we should eat noodles. But I don't like noodles. They are a pain to prepare -- remember that what started this thread was how to cook using only a microwave, not real cooking -- and they provide you with very little sustenance in the long run. It's like eating cardboard, nutritionally speaking. > He also suggests adding anchovies. What is this fish fetish? Not all of us like the little minnows with the lingering briny taste swimming around our mouths for the next few hours or days. Can you imagine this on a date? Iccccch! Notice how in the text above, alternate quoted passages are interleaved with new response text. Notice also that the new text far exceeds the old text. This is the way it should be. Here's an excerpt from RFC 1855, which explains why this is bad. You can read the whole RCS at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! If you are receiving this message in response to a news posting, please understand that all modern newsreaders provide a mechanism to fetch the parent article, so it is seldom necessary to quote the whole thing. Sometimes even mail readers provide this, depending on the mail headers and the list archival mechanism on your own system. Here's a section from the essential netiquette guide, "A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community", which is available in news.announce.newusers. Perhaps your service provider neglected to point you at this newsgroup before you got swallowed up by all of Usenet. It's not only a good read; it's critical to understanding the culture you're now moving in. Summarize What You are Following Up. When you are following up someone's article, please summarize the parts of the article to which you are responding. This allows readers to appreciate your comments rather than trying to remember what the original article said. It is also possible for your response to get to some sites before the original article. Summarization is best done by including appropriate quotes from the original article. Do not include the entire article since it will irritate the people who have already seen it. Even if you are responding to the entire article, summarize only the major points you are discussing. It's even more annoying when people needlessly quote the original's automatic trailing matter, like signatures, adverts, or disclaimers. Please don't do that. I'm honestly not trying to annoy you! I'm just trying to give tips about what works well in electronic messages, and what doesn't. This used to be standard fare before one got a Usenet account, but now something seems to be lost. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For there are moments when one can neither think nor feel. And if one can neither think nor feel, she thought, where is one? -- Virginia Woolf, "To the Lighthouse" [Quoted in "VMS Internals and Data Structures", V4.4, when referring to powerfail recovery.]

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Re: pptp vpn
by Ninad Purohit 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

hi i had the same problem the ppp-mppe module u r trying to install doesnot work with this kernel(compiled with gcc 3.2 on rh 8.0) instead search for this srpm ppp-2.4.1-demand_script-0.4-3mppe.src.rpm i have this srpm and i had infact mailed it on this list but my mail got caught in red-tape do rpmbuild --rebuild ppp-2.4.1-demand_script-0.4-3mppe.src.rpm then install the rpm created in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ then install pptpd then install pptp-linux edit /etc/ppp/pap-secrets add this line <your username> * <your password> * save the file then edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and change the gateway field to 0.0.0.0 or if it doesnot exist add the line GATEWAY='0.0.0.0' save it restart network then save this command as a script in ur /bin directory /sbin/modprobe -v ppp pptp 172.16.9.1 debug noauth user <username> +pap noauth mppe-40 mppe-128 mppe-stateless defaultroute give ifconfig u should see ip addresses for pp0,eth0 and lo if so u r done enjoy the net ===== ninad purohit have a nice day :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com

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