Linuxers August 2004

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Tolerance Levels
by yayati singh 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Quoting from Linux Advocacy-HOWTO http://www.datasync.com/~rogerspl/Advocacy-HOWTO-5.html Try to respond to one ``newbie'' posting each week. Seek out the tough questions, you may be the only one to respond and you may learn something in the process. However, if you aren't confident that you can respond with the correct answer, find someone that can. Regards Yayati.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Using Google Groups 2 for ILUG Mailing List?
by Vickram Crishna 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

>Amish Munshi <amish_munshi(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: >__________ > >On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 12:01 +0530, Rishi wrote: > >> I know Google Groups 2 is in beta right now... but would you >guys (moderators) > > > >I know that my reason is not practical, but on paper this stays true. >>""""Why should all of us user servers located in US to send and receive >>mails? If we have a mailing list mail server located in India, we live >>in India, and our personal mail servers (hopefully) are in India. Why > >should we waste international bandwidth on this?""" >> >More important, even if you have indian servers and an indian ISP, >you use international bandwidth. Last I checked a month ago, no ISP >in india provided interconnect to each other. So, you use siffy at >home to connect to vsnl email accounts at bom4 server in mumbai, >your data goes through some gateway in USA bcause vsnl and siffy >refuse to interconnect. > >I don't know whose fault it is, but I have been told govt is >planning to force large ISPs to interconnect here. This is discussed extensively on another list (exchinnet at yahoogroups). Several interested independent persons campaigned strongly for an 'exchange' (the facility that handles such a task - google for 'IX' if you would like to learn about this) and to the total dismay of all, the ISPs complicitly handed over the job to GoI, which later set up NIXI in Delhi and Mumbai. Unfortunately, NIXI is almost completely underutilised, mainly because its terms and conditions for interconnection are perverse and unrealistic. The result is the major ISPs, several of whom have created their own international bandwidth, do not use NIXI, and it is too expensive and too much hard work for the small ISPs (assuming there are any left), because a little professional networking skill is needed for their admins, who mostly don't exist at any real level of competence. I cannot see any reason why the government should 'force' anyone to do anything these days. It has consistently hogged tasks that it had no business to get into over the years, probably because when they succeed (and even when they don't: who looks once the ribbon cutting is over?) the politicians look good and the bureaucrats are given shiny awards for their dedicated years of spouting Sanskrit slokas. If the exchange is run on a professional basis then not only mail but even mirrors will come up fast here, saving uncountable millions of bucks in international bandwidth now being wasted on pointless shuttling up and down of packets that need never have hit those circuits. What the government needs to do is ensure that the playing fields are as level as possible for all kinds of participants, not only MNCs or conglomerates with cross interests in a number of media plays. Sadly, even the smaller ISPs have not acted to rectify this situation, because (and this is my opinion, Devdas - who also was active on exchinnet - is in a far better position to comment) the best thing to do was set up an alternative to NIXI. They didn't do it two years ago, and I doubt they will now, when they are even more squeezed on revenues. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Using Google Groups 2 for ILUG Mailing List?
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Amish Munshi <amish_munshi(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: __________ >On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 12:01 +0530, Rishi wrote: >> Hi Guys (Moderators) >> >> I know Google Groups 2 is in beta right now... but would you guys (moderators) >> consider moving this ILUG Mailing list from your site to Google Groups when >> it is officially release it bug free? > >I know that my reason is not practical, but on paper this stays true. >""""Why should all of us user servers located in US to send and receive >mails? If we have a mailing list mail server located in India, we live >in India, and our personal mail servers (hopefully) are in India. Why >should we waste international bandwidth on this?""" > ha ! Here is the catch and joke. First indian servers are expensive. Due to high local bandwidth costs, servers in india cost 3 times of that in USA. More important, even if you have indian servers and an indian ISP, you use international bandwidth. Last I checked a month ago, no ISP in india provided interconnect to each other. So, you use siffy at home to connect to vsnl email accounts at bom4 server in mumbai, your data goes through some gateway in USA bcause vsnl and siffy refuse to interconnect. I don't know whose fault it is, but I have been told govt is planning to force large ISPs to interconnect here. Regards saswata

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Post Installation Probs about RH9.0
by Vinayak Hegde 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:16:55 +0530, Ivan Bayross <ivanbayross(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > Hi Vinayak, > > Just thought I'd add my two paise, I use RH extensively, if all else fails I'd be glad to have you across (or perhaps to come across) to help, if you are close by 9i.e. not too far away). My office is at Vile Parle (East) and I stay at Santacruz (West). RH 9 is a great product and I've been using it for quite a while. RH9 is a good product no doubt. Unfortunately I no longer live in Mumbai.( I am based in Bangalore). > Could I have some generic info: > Processor used, Maximum RAM, HDD size, Type of sound card, built in on the M'board or a separate plugin card? I have used RH9 and other distros on a variety of hardware, the only two notable hardware /chipsets which gave problems were a Winmodem(s/w based modems) and the infamous SiS 6215 card. (I know many Linuxers have not so fond memories of both of these :D). > Regarding, The cablewala, what windows based s/w are you currently using ? If I've an idea then I could make an ntelligent guess on what could be used on RH9 Mention the cable internet provider and the windows based software they use. There are many people on this list who have got it working without any problems. They should be able to help you. > If you like visit my web site www<dot>ivanbayross<dot>com I have a downloads section in which there is a whole lot of doucmentation on how to connect a dialup to the NET via Linux. I would like to find out it you found it to be useful. > Ivan If you have written any documentation on your own consider submitting it to tldp.org (howtos/guides) and or linuxgazette.net so a lot other people can benefit from it. Last but not the least I did not ask the question but answered it. So you replied to the wrong mail. :D > > Absolutely NEW to Linux, I recently installed RH9.0 I also couldnt configure the Internet access wizard 4 dial-up access. > > If I wish access Internet thru Cable system how do I configure it coz our Cableman doesnt seem to know about it. All help shall be highly appreciated. Thx in advn. > -------------------- > > RH9 did not ship with mp3 plugin due to patent concerns. get the plugin here. > http://havardk.xmms.org/dist/xmms-1.2.7-rh8-rh9-rpm/ > > > You can use kppp to configure dial up access.

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Re: Using Google Groups 2 for ILUG Mailing List?
by Rajesh Rajani 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hi Rishi, >I know Google Groups 2 is in beta right now... but would you guys >(moderators) >consider moving this ILUG Mailing list from your site to Google Groups when >it is officially release it bug free? Do you know if it has the same facilities as this "MAILING" list. It is very convenient to write mails from my mail client rather than online on some website. Regards, Rajesh

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Microsoft says Linux, hmm, I need to worry!
by Amish Munshi 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Greetings, Are we now wasting time thinking about what Microsoft thinks about GNU/Linux, is it time for us to ignore Microsoft? Or is it still a little early still? Find out here: Some business intelligence about Microsoft and Linux from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5614334/ or http://www.forbes.com/businesstech/2004/08/05/cx_js_0805msft.html I have high lighted some information on MS opinion and Novell related info for you how like to get the essence of this. Also see how Microsoft message about Linux has changed: http://forbes.com/2004/08/04/cx_js_microsoftslide.html? Amish.

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Needed Qmail for Redhat linux 9.0
by Anand Pandurang Shelake 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hi, Can anybody help me with Qmail and its installation, configuration for Redhat Linux 9.0. As i searched the google but not able to download qmail. Regds, Anand Shelake

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Using Google Groups 2 for ILUG Mailing List?
by Rishi 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hi Guys (Moderators) I know Google Groups 2 is in beta right now... but would you guys (moderators) consider moving this ILUG Mailing list from your site to Google Groups when it is officially release it bug free? Or do you feel since they have not licensed their software with the GNU GPL like MailMan, you would not? Regards Rishi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mono VGA Monitor under Linux
by Chirag Wazir 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hi Ajit, > Under Linux with those same settings we get a screen > that leaves an empty area on the top and bottom i.e. > screen display is not full screen. ..... > Can we do the some settings (software / hardware / cable) > to get fullscreen under Linux with a Mono VGA monitor.... Most distros include a utility called xvidtune. Start up X and run this - it allows you to change the monitor timings that affect the size and position of the display area. Once you have adjusted things to satisfaction, xvidtune can save the settings to your X config file so that they are used the next time you start X. Note that the program has a warning that fiddling can damage your monitor, but as long as you change one setting at a time in small increments you should be fine - I've used it plenty of times & it's never blown up a monitor for me yet :-) Always keep in mind that you can kill an X session and get back to the prompt in an emergency by pressing ctrl-alt-backspace. Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: trevors mail - tolerance levels
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

quasi <quasiabhi(a)softhome.net> wrote: __________ >Saswata spake thusly: > >> The mail was marked as commercial. It was written commercial in >> brackets, but at end of mail instead of the begining. I think a >> private warning would have made more sense here as far as that point >> goes. > >I agree think location should not matter -- but the square brackets >and the caps should be preserved. This is for the sake of those who >filter. Even though I wonder who filters. All I am trying to say is that it was probably an honest mistake that he didn't realise he put round in place of square brackets. regarda saswata > >-- >quasi > >Utopia Unlimited! > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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