Linuxers May 2005

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SIS/ASUS Update
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Monday 30 May 2005 18:46, Sachin wrote: > hi > > UPDATE* Now recently the display freezes, i mean the > monitor turns off. Disable power saving in the bios and kernel. Or u may have forgot to set the "any key" in bios. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Way to go for Linux !!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Monday 30 May 2005 20:23, Erle Pereira wrote: > Richard Chang wrote: Ya Richard you got it finally (i hope) way to go. But the author apparently prefers to wear Horse blinkers. > > Here it is why > > > > http://www.linux-mag.com/content/view/1974/2303/ > > the author of that article has got a rather one-sided view And from the wrong end too. He's never heard about PDF. PDF is one of the standards in which to exchange documents. You do it by clicking an icon in openoffice. Do search for that feature in M$office. Will solve all problems of document exchange. Also the size of an Oo .sxw or sxc file is almost 1/3 of an M$ file. So why don't the bums in M$ spend some time to make their format similar to Oo. Besides it would become standards compliant. http://www.linuxworld.com/read/88713.htm > > my reply in short ... ever tried to hit a moving target? Trying to > make open-office write properly to a closed source format is > definetly not very high on the list of things to do (and _should_ > not be) while on the subject perhaps Richard will care to point out a source for M$ doc file format and M$office APIs. To get an idea of what we are blabbing about visit the url. http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList I do agree it's a different path from Richard's avowed noble goal of using without knowing how to. But nonetheless. He might also want to read (and inform the author too) http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-overview.html It will acquaint both with the goals and objectives of the Oo team. > { ...please lets not turn this thread into another philosophy > debate.. i only replied b/c i felt a few imp. details were left out > in the article. End this thread _here_ small correction Erle the most important points were left out in that article. This author has been publishing fud according to the folks on Groklaw. He had in the past published more balanced articles but seems to be going to the darkside. Perhaps a simple matter of Caviar and Champagne v/s freedom (yawn). Or maybe using without knowing as some love to say. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Way to go for Linux !!
by M.R.Anand 30 May '05

30 May '05

Well Interoperability is a problem, but its not cos of Linux or openoffice in particular. Can openoffice help it if M$ hasn't released the specs of the .doc format (atleast i couldnt find it even after extensive search on google, if any has then please let me know), besides openoffice atleast publishes the format it uses unlike M$ who like to "lock in" their customers. Interoperability will always be an issue as long as people are seeing to it that it is.Atleast with linux, its "open" about all formats and implementations. Even if others r not keen to reveal their implementation atleast the format should be revealed. What if the company were no longer in business, what happens to all the stuff thats "locked" now. This topic was touched my Dr. Nagarjuna also at the GLUG meet before this one (the one in which we had the HURD demo) The same argument applies to almost all (probably all) M$ products. So as long as you choose a closes solution u cannot complain about interoperability (according to me). Anand

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SIS651 chipset story
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 30 May '05

30 May '05

On Sunday 29 May 2005 21:34, Sachin wrote: > http://mayuripalharya.tripod.com/questionairre.html > > Hi All > Read a thread on ASUS/SIS and here is my story. Firstly it seems to be linux compatible. http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_ab-t2301.html > A year and 2 months before i bought a compaq s5030il > which has sis651 chipset 128 ram and p42.6ghz pre > loaded with turbo linux.In the first week it started > with sudden hangup. What kernel. Kernels below 2.4.19 could be a source of problems under very specific combination of conditions (but unlikely). After how much time does it stop. Run the board with some heavy load like kernel compile. If it hangs earlier u have a thermal problem. Use in a chilled room. Try a faster ram. or a slower cpu. Memtest should also help in identifying problems. also check for a bios update. Although linux does not use the bios it is possible that some device like the supervisory sensors could be causing a problem. also try disabling the onboard graphics and using a graphics card. If nothing else works write to the vendor pointing out that it does not work under windows and linux from the beginning and ask for a refund or better still credit for a new mobo. rgds jtd

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SIS651 chipset story
by Sachin 30 May '05

30 May '05

http://mayuripalharya.tripod.com/questionairre.html Hi All Read a thread on ASUS/SIS and here is my story. A year and 2 months before i bought a compaq s5030il which has sis651 chipset 128 ram and p42.6ghz pre loaded with turbo linux.In the first week it started with sudden hangup. Believe me Redington replaced the motherboard three times and the fourth time i took it to there office and i don't know what they did but it started working fine for a month and again now the same problem but i am left with no warranty on the system. The vendor even said it was because linux. There is no error at syslog, kernel log. Windows xp gives system error(102) and when error submitted states a Hardware failure. A reboot and the system may be fine for hours or sometimes in 20 to 30 minutes it will hang again. Can somebody help me with what could be the possibilty. Device manager shows everything fine. Is there any software like pc-doctor which can diagnose this problem which is a freeware in linux.Or can somebody guide me on this. I don't want to call redington guys because the maximum they would do is again replace the motherboard which they have done before. Can anybody assume what could be going wrong here or a way where the OS can exactly state which is the failing hardware. -- Sachin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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SIS/ASUS Update
by Sachin 30 May '05

30 May '05

hi UPDATE* Now recently the display freezes, i mean the monitor turns off. >What kernel. Kernels below 2.4.19 could be a source >of problems under very specific combination of >conditions (but unlikely). Kernel 2.6.11.6 >After how much time does it stop. Nothing specific may be half hour, some at startup and sometimes 3 to 4 hours. >Run the board with some heavy load like kernel compile.If it hangs earlier u have a thermal problem. Under normal temperature did 4 kernel compile and it had one hang. >Try a faster ram. or a slower cpu. Would try that >Memtest should also help in identifying problems. also check for a bios update. Although linux does not use the bios it is possible that some device like the supervisory sensors could be causing a problem. Would do that. And thanks for the advice. Sachin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: SIS651 chipset story
by Vickram Crishna 30 May '05

30 May '05

At 1:45 PM +0530 5/30/05, sherlock wrote: >On Sunday 29 May 2005 21:34, Sachin wrote: >> http://mayuripalharya.tripod.com/questionairre.html >> >> Hi All >> Read a thread on ASUS/SIS and here is my story. > >Firstly it seems to be linux compatible. >http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_ab-t2301.html > >> A year and 2 months before i bought a compaq s5030il >> which has sis651 chipset 128 ram and p42.6ghz pre >> loaded with turbo linux.In the first week it started >> with sudden hangup. > >What kernel. Kernels below 2.4.19 could be a source of problems under >very specific combination of conditions (but unlikely). >After how much time does it stop. >Run the board with some heavy load like kernel compile. >If it hangs earlier u have a thermal problem. Use in a chilled room. I've been having a similar peculiar problem, but the need for frequent rebooting has pointed me to the possible reason for failure: one hard disk (which just happens to be my system disk, with both Win98 and RH) keeps going off. On opening the box I find this disk is quite hot. My guess is it's heading towards failure. I plan to mirror it onto another disk at some point and save my data. It is definitely not an OS problem. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MySQL Migration Toolkit 1.0.7 beta Released
by Devdas Bhagat 30 May '05

30 May '05

On 29/05/05 17:58 +0530, Amol Hatwâr wrote: > > Oracle to mysql seems good. MySQL seems to be developing more n more day > > by day. > > > > Great going mysql !! > > > It's good to have features and all. But don't you think MySQL is killing > it's own competitive edge? > > Developers chose MySQL over others because it was lightweight; it was in > version 3.xx like a swiss-army knife. It is on it's way to becoming > elephantware. And I always thought it was because it was installed on webhosts and because PHP supported MySQL better than other databases. Lets see: relational integrity, stored procedures, triggers, acid compliance are just necessary features. Missing in MySQL 3.x. Does MySQL handle 30th February correctly? Devdas Bhagat

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Ruby vs Perl
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 30 May '05

30 May '05

Hi, Just ran into a prog lang that I didn't know.. Ruby - "the object oriented scripting language". Has anyone got to grips with this language. I just bought a book for Perl.. Is Ruby better than Perl or are they in two completely different worlds.. http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/20020101.html Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 30 May '05

30 May '05

On Sunday 29 May 2005 12:35, Trevor Warren wrote: > --- Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com> wrote: > > keep it on list - i for one am enjoying it > > [snip] > > No offence meant. But just cause we do not see eye > to eye on an issue however frivilous it may be we > choose to take it offline. > > In days when as a group we learnt.....we did toy > around with a lot more frivlous issues and that too > with no [ot] tags. > > Come on boys...rock and troll....oopsy..roll. Puneet and I agreed to disagree with two mails (offlist) of I-said-u -said and closed the thread. And actually GNU/Linux is becoming a bit too reliable (boring?). All my systems continue to roll without touching them. Hardly any tech issues. However the future is fraught with extreme danger due to proprietary companies - particularly M$ - lobbying for laws assigning themselves rights which usurp rights of the commons or fences off large areas of technology simply because somebody else got to filing patents first. Even worse fencing of technology which could be used for illegal acts in spite of the fact that such users are a microscopic subset of legit users, and the affected parties are big companies on a death spiral. They are equating knowledge with limited + non replicable resource - property. In reality the value of knowledge lies in it's non expendability and replicability. The original patent laws were created to benefit individuals by providing them a time limited period of monopoly, so that society and the creator could benefit from the IMPLEMENTATION of knowledge AND that knowledge become public. Patent law required that the patent be described in detail and with specificity. Over a period of time the whole system was turned on it's head so that companies became it's primary beneficiary and the patent paper itself was anything but detailed and specific. This bad situation was further twisted to patent business processes, software and algorithms (knowledge) thus trying to interfere with ones thought process. You can't think an alternate algo producing the same result. If you think this is idiotic be assured it IS NOT there are case against two doctors for discussing Hormone Replacement Therapy, which is patented by some company (HRT that is ). The excuse made by companies is that it costs a lot of money to create knowledge - which is directly contradicted by the evidence in the case of software. In the case of other knowledge like pharmaceuticals it could be shown that the major cost of identifying promising directions of research are borne by public bodies like universities. It's only the commercialization which is expensive, again much of that expense is marketing, distribution and legal costs - nothing to do with knowledge creation. The evidence is low cost drug mfgs in baruch / ankleshwar area often as low as 1/20th the cost of a branded equiv. The fight by the commons relies in the main on taking the moral high ground. Compromise this by condoning or justifying illegal behaviour and you will be delivering yourself a k.o. . In essence it's a slow slide to the Feudal age where a tyrant king and his overlords simply annexed large parts of the commons and made it private property and you paid a tithe to farm, or became a serf. Their power derived from wealth largely obtained by plundering peaceful wealthy communities. Sounds familiar?. rgds jtd

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Linuxers May 2005