Linuxers May 2005

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Italian, Venezulean voices favoue freeing knowledge
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 28 May '05

28 May '05

On Saturday 28 May 2005 15:35, Frederick Noronha wrote: > Free Software Foundation of India director Prof G Nagarjuna > stressed how India was able to fight-back attempts to make software > a patentable item. He said help for this endeavour had come from > enlightened politicians, the peoples' science movement, media and > others. Three cheers to Dr. Nag and the Enlightened politicians. Are we not safe for the time being from the IS NOT patent?. The EU directors are falling over themselves trying to permit software patents with a ridiculous condition known as "Technical effect" the said effect being produced when the software is run on a computing platform. Is there another platform on which software runs? All this inspite of stiff opposition from members and citizens. The last attempt to push the law thru was at a meeting of Fisheries and Agriculture (or some such), i am still trying to make the connection between fish and software. Probably only a fish would accept such red herring laws. rgds jtd

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Italian, Venezulean voices favoue freeing knowledge
by Frederick Noronha 28 May '05

28 May '05

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, May 28: Publicly-funded content must be openly available, and sharing knowledge only enhances its richness, Italian senator Fiorello Cortiana told a four-nation international conference held in the Kerala capital this morning. Eminent economist and former Venezuela minister for planning and development Dr Filipe Perez-Marti agreed, and stressed that participation, solidarity and wisdom would be the key three words that characterise a new global situation. Amidst praise for Kerala for organising this first ever south-to-south contact in the world of free software and free knowledge, speakers from Latin America (Venezuela, and Brazil), Italy and India explored ways of understanding their respective situations and possibilities for collaboration across the oceans. The Latin Americans were keen to hear about Kerala's attempts to look at take Free Software solutions to schools, through their IT@School project which aims to train about 200 master trainers, who will then train at least one teacher from each school in the state in the use of free software. Free Software Foundation of India director Prof G Nagarjuna stressed how India was able to fight-back attempts to make software a patentable item. He said help for this endeavour had come from enlightened politicians, the peoples' science movement, media and others. Latin American delegates spoke of how their firms including the Venezualan oil giant had opted for free software, both for more control over their work and avoid possibilities of sabotage in a crucial sector of the economy. Government of Brazil special advisor in the ministry of communications Antonio Bezerra de Albquerque Neto said Brazil was keen to build links with countries like India and China, and stressed that Free Software is a key means of in building a fairer society. SPACE executive secretary Satish Babu called this a fairly unique event and said Kerala had a good chance of building itself as a global destination of Free Software. SPACE chairperson Prof K R Srivathsan termed Free Software a natural way for the scientific community to play around with. Former musician turned Free Software activist Juan Carlos Gentile said he hoped this first-ever meet of its kind would lead to many things to come. Kerala IT secretary PH Kurian said ideas of sharing knowledge were not alien to India, and cited the case of Gautam Buddha who used the people's language to spread his message. Kerala began this four-nation meet on Saturday morning, and it aims to take the ideas of free software to different realms of society, which can gain from the power of sharing knowledge and culture. SPACE, the Thiruvananthapuram-based Society for the Promotion of Alternative Computing and Environment, is co-organiser of this event with the global NGO Hipatia (www.hipatia.net) and the Free Software Foundation-India (www.fsf.org.in). Organisers say that the international free software movement has shown a new way of knowledge creation and social ownership. They're keen to explore how the free software model can be applied to fields as diverse as governance, digital inclusion, development and culture. (ENDS) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Indigo not so open as .NET Framework?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 28 May '05

28 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 20:37, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > > May M$ burn in hell >:( Sometime ago there was a thread on advantages of Mono (was it Amol Hatwar). Not everyone on the list was convinced about it's advantages. I personally felt that a broader eco system would not be bad, especially since M$ was shouting from the roof top that .Net was free and open. On checking I found out that most of .Net is patent encumbered. Seems that unless i am willing to pay per seat + time limited protection money i am really digging my self into a hole. However the Mono project might still be of use if only to highlight the dangers of flirting with the vampire. My bet is that we would be seeing a Novell - M$ spat and Novell will have to abandon gpld mono but will continue using a closed version. Thus putting he poor souls who use Mono in a hole. see. If M$ says it's open be assured it's as open as a bear trap. Use .Net and Mono with very great caution. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 28 May '05

28 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 20:34, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> > > > > > Maruti or M$. While 15 yrs is like 15 light yrs in the > > > computing world, > > > >Umm, years and light years are different. A year is a measure of > > time while a light year is a measure of distance. > > hehe....i can't stop laughing! You got him good! :lol: YA ;-). But i'll duck under an artistic licence. rgds jtd

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Indigo not so open as .NET Framework?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/ndigo_mono_no_no/ "A Novell-backed project seeking to create an open source version of web services technology in future versions of Windows could hit an IP hurdle from Microsoft. Evaluation has begun on an open source version of Indigo, the web services communications layer due in Longhorn and updates to Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. But Microsoft suggests there could be issues over licensing of its intellectual property (IP) used in Indigo - even though previous elements of Mono have been developed by the community-" rgds jtd

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Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 00:16, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > hi there sherlock, My name is J. T. D'souza, as the sig says jtd. > > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint > Thats where the problem lies in this world, emotions. First of all > cool it!!!! i may not have read all the books that u prob have , > but i bet one of them has keepin ur cool as its what shall i say > KEY POINTS. Never loose my ambient temp which is always kinda high - keeps one fit. > And while we are at business ethics my dear nice fella > again excuse me for me not havin read all those books that u > probably stack up , i just know one business ethic or moral or > watever customer, and repeat customer, and more customers and if u > havent made it out just yet il give u a hint its CUSTOMERS. Thanks for the confirmation about the books but do read up before all those customers wisen up to illegal business practices and get u. > And > that M$ has more than any of our redhats or whatever hats. Funny how M$ keeps loosing them INSPITE of a their lack of scruples. > But please allow me to make it clear that m not a M$ evangalist. who cares even if you are. Just don't make illogical observations about business ethics without understanding the legalities and wider ranifications. > I > just believe that u gotta acknowldege that foss cant match > microsoft in every segment. Now u might say that the windows market > share in desktop secotor is dropping but its somewhat like maruti u > know itl drop but still they will have more than half of the market > for atleast 10-15 years from now. Maruti or M$. While 15 yrs is like 15 light yrs in the computing world, let's say we look in 3 yrs time and see where M$ will be (assuming that they continue their current behavior). > > And morals and ethics that went out of the window long time back > not just from business but from our world in geenral. The FLOSS methodology of development can indeed address broader issues, but shall we stick to computers and FLOSS rather than world politics, global warming, green philosphy and life on other (SETI should help u) worlds. > > Now one thing more, the reason i have joined this mailing list is > because i personally like using Linux and the community process > asssociated with it and moreover i would like to get good at > it..And i support the idea that people should have a choice. But i > dont believe that a complete disregard for what a rival is doing > will do any good to my cause. Weren't we focussing attention on an ethically challenged company who restricts choice by illegal activities and by using the naive in it's scheme? > So dude chill, take it easy. And ya > piracy where did i mention my likin of piracy? And thanks for the > info which i was diein to get from a learned person like you about > GNU/Linux. Thanks a lot. Hope u got it. By justifying illegal behavior u are doing a definite disservice to FLOSS. FLOSS relies on legal and ethical behaviour to proliferate and progress. rgds jtd

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Re: LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 (Shreyas Phadnis)
by Roshan 27 May '05

27 May '05

1. Re: LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 (Shreyas Phadnis) From: Shreyas Phadnis <linuxace(a)gmail.com> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:35:03 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 > On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 09:39 +0530, Richard Chang > wrote: > > I plan to upgrade my current system currently Cel > 1.2 ghz. Planning for the > > AMD/Asus combo. > > If you plan to go for AMD then avoid ASUS mobos. Coz > Asus boards have > poor support for linux. Google it, u`ll know. Still > if are sure you want > to buy ASUS, then go for the ones with NVIDIA > chipsets.The ASUS mobos > with SiS chipsets suck! > > Regards, > Shreyas Phadnis. I have an ASUS mobo and it does have SiS....however, I am using Redhat Linux 9.0 and things work fine. I recently tried installing sound card driver and messed up my kernel. Now it loads some modules forcibly.. I feel; by default, ASUS for linux is not bad..but if linux is tweaked or tampered then may be it wud become bad. RH9 did detect my SiS chipsets and things are working almost normal (except the sound ....) Even then, I would recommed you to go "INTEL Motherbords and Processors"...but it also depends on the budget you have and the kind of work to be done. However, if its more of work in graphics and stuff...and linux.... then I would recommend going only for INTEL instead of AMD. All the best! _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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securetty
by Karia Amit 27 May '05

27 May '05

Hi all, I want to disallow both root and normal users to login to tty3 .Root login is disable but normal users are still able to login to terminal. What other modification i need to make to that file here is content my /etc/securetty file vc/1 vc/2 vc/3 vc/4 vc/5 vc/6 vc/7 vc/8 vc/9 vc/10 vc/11 tty1 tty2 ttyS3 tty4 tty5 tty6 tty7 tty8 tty9 tty10 tty11 "Difference Between Good And Great Is That Good Performs Well And Great Performs Well Consistently" Regs, Amit Karia

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] securetty
by Nadiem 27 May '05

27 May '05

--- Karia Amit <amit_karia99(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > I want to disallow both root and normal users to > login to tty3 > .Root login is disable but normal users are still > able to login to terminal. What other modification i > need to make to that file > here is content my /etc/securetty file > vc/1 > vc/2 > vc/3 > vc/4 > vc/5 > vc/6 > vc/7 > vc/8 > vc/9 > vc/10 > vc/11 > tty1 > tty2 > ttyS3 > tty4 > tty5 > tty6 > tty7 > tty8 > tty9 > tty10 > tty11 /etc/securtty is concerned with root logins only. It does not authenticate non-root logins. For that purpose, you need to edit the /etc/security/access.conf file. Add this to /etc/security/access.conf : -:ALL:tty3 Make sure your /etc/pam.d/login has this line: account required pam_access.so If it doesn't, you not only need to add the line, but also add it at the correct _sequence_. Just put it below any existing "account" line and you should be fine. HTH, Nadiem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Morals and Ethics
by Kenneth Gonsalves 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 1:49 pm, Amol Hatwār wrote: > nor would I say that all MS software > is good. could you give a few examples of good M$ software? -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.sourceforge.net ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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