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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Multiple distros
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Thursday 26 May 2005 23:04, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > On Thu, 26 May 2005, R M wrote: > > add boot settings for new distro in the already > > installed boot loader's config file. > > Can't be done, the OP says he has to have XP on this machine. So > that will hog the mbr. What I suggest is install the bootloader on > the first part of the respective root partitions. Use grub as the boot loader. U dont need to reinstall grub unless u install windows xyz AFTER installing grub. You just need to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst. In the case of lilo u have to reinstall lilo everytime u edit the /etc/lilo.conf. Also grub allows editing of every parameter at boot time. It can also read file systems, provides a shell (grub shell) and has online help. So it's very handy if you are juggling distros, kernels and drives. BIG FAT WARNING: write down what ever u are doing to prevent disaster. Some distros do not create the menu.lst. So get one and copy it to /boot/grub. Grub numbers disks and partitions starting with 0. So hda5 - the first logical partition on the primary ide - is (hd0,4) eg root (hd0,4) Ideally install windoz first. Then the other distros. Also create a mount point for the partition which holds /boot/grub in all the installs, so that u can edit menu.lst easily. In any case u can boot any distro from the grub shell like so > root (hdx,y) > kernel (hdx,y)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-abcd root=/dev/hda10 ide=ata100 dma etc etc append="whatever" note root=/dev/hda10 is the regular linux naming convention.. if u have an initrd > initrd (hdx,y)/initrd/initrd-2.6.11-abcd > boot rgds jtd

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any material on clusters
by Trevor Warren 27 May '05

27 May '05

Morning Luggers, Anyone has some good reading/presentation material on: Software for building and using clusters * High Performance Computing Software (Beowulf/Scyld, OSCAR, OpenMosix...), including special mention of specific groups of projects such as Single System Image systems and Cluster-specific Operating Systems. * High Availability Software (Kimberlite, Heartbeat...). * Load Balancing Software (Linux Virtual Server, Ultra Monkey...). Software used on, and for using, clusters * File Systems (Intermezzo, ClusterNFS, DRBD...). * Installation and Configuration Software (FAI, System Installation Suite...). * Monitoring and Management Software (Ganglia, MOSIXVIEW, Performance Co-Pilot...). * Programming and Execution Environments and Tools (MPI, PVM, spread...). * Miscellaneous (things that don't necessarily fit into other categories well). Please send me the stuff/links. Thanks and take care. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] dunno what the subject was
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Thursday 26 May 2005 20:24, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 26/05/05 16:37 +0500, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > <snip> > > > You really need to read. They have lost 70% of the webserver > > market, > > When did they ever get 70% of the webserver market? You can't lose > what you don't have. You are right. Should have been 'They have been beaten in the race for the webserver market with Apache holding 70% market share.' > > market, > Vendor independence is a good thing(tm). Particularly from something as knotted as M$. rgds jtd

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[ot][commercial] Custom software development: Java application in L inux
by Sharad Aggarwal 27 May '05

27 May '05

Hi, We are looking for someone who can develop a Java application on Linux platform. The application needs to be interact with a voip usb peripheral device and control the same. Complete command set to control the peripheral and sample code is available. We have a week's time to do the application. Please get in touch if you can help in doing the application on a commercial basis. Regards, Sharad. Sharad Aggarwal A Little World Pvt. Ltd. 403 Alpha Hiranandani Business Park Powai Mumbai 400 076 T +91 22 5697 3888 M +91 98673 64664 F +91 22 5697 3899 email: sharad(a)alittleworld.com Web: www.alittleworld.com

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SquidGuard vs DansGuardian
by Komal 27 May '05

27 May '05

Hello, I need some advise or review of SquidGuard and DansGuardian comparison. In my experience, SquidGuard runs very stable in my environment (around 2 years) and "integrated" to Squid, but it seems no more development. I never use DanGuardian that claim better than SquidGuard. Hope you would give me your review of products. Regards, Komal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Multiple distros
by Trevor Warren 27 May '05

27 May '05

We having a distro shootout or what?. Anyways, the most imp like Dr. Shahrukh also mentioned is to be aware of the boot loader config. Keep one main gnu-linux partition as bootable, do not re-write the mbr for any other distro you install. Copy the kernels from all your new installs to the main gnu-linux boot partitions and just keep appending the entries into the /boot/grub.conf file. This way you can manange any amount of operating Systems on one machine. The tricky situation one can get in is with the *BSDs. With careful configuration you can get through on this one too. You could again choose the Gnu-Linux grub boot loader to boot into the system For Sun Solaris 10 x86 i would suggest you get an additional HDD and save you some paracetamols. MS has enough of documentation and hence you should find configuring that a breeze. Who ever said FSF/OS fanatics aren't open minded. Boooooooooooooooooooooting your way around..:D. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[ot][commercial] For other Unix admins....!!!!
by Trevor Warren 27 May '05

27 May '05

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[ot][commercial]Fwd: Requirments At Avaya Pune
by Trevor Warren 27 May '05

27 May '05

Fyi luggers Trevor > > Requirements > > Job Title: OS Support and Maintenance > Engineer > > Job Category: Software Development & Testing > > Payscale Group: STA > > Business Group: Enterprise Communications Group > (ECG) > > City (Non-US): India - Pune > > Country: India > > > > The Application Enablement, Core Services & OS > department in Avaya is > responsible for implementing and maintaining three > key strategic areas > for Avaya - common OS & shared components, next > generation middleware > to communication enable business applications and > SDK for business > partners to build value added applications. > > > > A key aspect of standardizing component across Avaya > is to create a > common operating system base, maintain security > updates and upgrades > for the Linux OS. We are looking for a lead software > engineer 3-5 > years of experience responsible for maintaining a > standardize set of > LINUX Redhat OS with following knowledge and > expertise > > > > Experience on Linux Redhat OS 3.0 and 4.0 > Experience in creating RPMs > Proficiency in either Perl or PHP scripting language > > Proficiency in shell programming(SED, AWK, BASH) > Python knowledge is desirable > You would be required to work effectively in a team > environment > locally and with associates in the United States. > > > > Any experience in enterprise telephony and VOIP or > knowledge of Avaya > VOIP PBX is a big plus. > > > > There will also be ample opportunities in the future > to work on other > new and cutting edge technologies including web > services, intelligent > communication services, and prototype application > for VOIP. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Clement > > Yoganishta Technologi-s Pvt Ltd > > Plot No: 595, Alagirisamy Salai > > K K Nagar, Chennai-600078 > > Phone: +91-44-52616455 |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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FC3 Login Problem: Root logs in fine. 1 user account has trouble
by Abhishek Daga 27 May '05

27 May '05

This problem happened since this morning. Have 2 user accounts (in addition to 1 root) on an FC3 system. Root and 1 user account logs in fine. Another user account displays strange logging behavior. On typing username and password, it does not say authentication failed, but attempts a login and the screen changes with the hour glass appearing for a second or so. Then instead of showing the loading icons, it returns to the authentication page. Have changed password for that account just to be sure but it still persists. And only for this particular account. Any clues? thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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OpenOffice 1.9.104 (moving towards 2.0 ): early review and a query
by Abhishek Daga 26 May '05

26 May '05

Just moved to OO 1.9.104 (2.0 Beta) and must say its a great improvement over 1.4. They finally got the print preview in default and with an intuitive (read: windows type) icon. Works fine on the win boxes. Facing a problem on FC3. even though I ran the GUI integration rpm, and it added the same to the menu, the programs don't seem to come up. I am working on it, but if anyone has faced a similar situation and knows the fix, please pass it on. thanks. abhi Ps: the installation history. May 2004: Installed the current version of OpenOffice and asked staff to transition from the existing MSOffice 97/2000/xp. Nov 2004: Nothing happened. MSOffice used as usual. Mar 2005: upgraded OO to 1.4 but still no transition to it from msoffice. May 2005: Uninstalled all versions of MSOffice, and changed the file extension to .sxw and .sxc via a script. There was whining for exactly 2 days about how difficult the new thing is and how it doesnt do so n so functions (primary complaint being, no print preview button). The new version 1.9.104 shoots down that excuse too and the look n feel is very very pleasant. moral: one only learns swimming in deep water. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Multiple distros
by Ninad Bapat 26 May '05

26 May '05

Hi I have 2 computers. A brand new PC P4 2.4ghz with 256mb RAM 40g HDD CD/DVD combo drive Old IBM branded PC with Celeron 500.(Non Cd boot) CD rom drive 64mb RAM. Unfortunately the new Pc will boot Win Xp as the primary OS as other family members use it. 20Gb has been partitioned for this as C and D I have already tried FC3/Slack and Ubuntu on the remaining space. Now I would like to re install thes distros the following way 1.FC3 2.Debian Sarge 3.Slackware 4.Ubuntu Hoary Each will be allocated 4gb space Will also alocate 512mb as swap space The remaining space will remain empty or may be used in future for LFS or Gentoo. Is the above scheme possible ? by creating extended partitions Will 4 gb suffice for each distro. I intend to install the full distros and then remove unwanted packages. Thanks and Regards Ninad

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] dunno what the subject was
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 May '05

26 May '05

Please put a proper subject line. On Tuesday 24 May 2005 21:15, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint Oh god! how naive of me. I am eternally grateful to recieve this gem of knowledge. Yea! wait till u get shafted by them. Or maybe they have already got you by your paying them for the crap. > u got to play dirty and Yep you wise fella. I am is loving u. Where do i buy that AK47 to knock off competition. That is a bit violent?. How about knocking them off for Rs.5850 + 11750 (winXP prof + office xp prof) and any other of their stuff u find appetising, now that u know what a rotten bunch they are. Now while two wrongs do not a right make, it is much better than waiting to get short changed. And while we are at it you can present the same argument to all and sundry and add a mind numbing dent to the 3 billion hole caused by piracy in Asia (according to their personal slave the BSF singapore). Great guy you are. Suggest you read some books on morals and business ethics before making cockeyed observations. And stick to the right side of the law by recommending a perfectly viable, completely legal, no-bullshit alternative.No not piracy - GNU/Linux.BTW it's also legal (very sorry to spoil your fun). > fines well the fines have been for anti monoply suites whr M$ which > just reinforces the point that they v got power to do what they > like wats 3 billion to microsoft nothin much i would say... > and wat hapnd to the bundeled IE case against m$ doesnt look like > there is much headway and netscape can go on reinventing itself > from borrowed code, it aint doin any good You really need to read. They have lost 70% of the webserver market, 10% of the browser market since firefox hit them, 20% of the desktop market in the last two yrs. Inspite of their illegal practices, money, and fud. But that is not enough. evertime u use or cause others to use M$ products u are rewarding illegal and obnoxious behaviour either in cash or by providing the next set of victims for exploitation. That is the only lesson to be learnt. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] FC3 Login Problem: Root logs in fine. 1 user account has trouble
by Abhishek Daga 26 May '05

26 May '05

--- R M <rhcefrommumbai(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > --- Abhishek Daga <abhishekdaga(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > This problem happened since this morning. > > Have 2 user accounts (in addition to 1 root) on an > > FC3 system. > > > > Root and 1 user account logs in fine. > > > > Another user account displays strange logging > > behavior. On typing username and > > password, it does not say authentication failed, but > > attempts a login and the > > screen changes with the hour glass appearing for a > > second or so. > > What is the shell and home dir of this user? > can u give the line containing this username from > /etc/passwd? > > Bash shell. home directory is /home/user/ This is my home machine. On logging remotely from work it worked fine for root. For user it is logged in but gave this message before taking me in. ls/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/user/.Xauthority no disk space issues. user@localhost] emacs .bashrc X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. Connection lost to X server `localhost:10.0' even now I am logged in remotely as the user. but X startup seems to be giving problems.. still trying to fix it without mass deleting or deleting user account. -abhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 25, Issue 47
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 26 May '05

26 May '05

*snip* > > >Lotus did not make mistakes. M$ changed the win APIs and not only > >did not provide it to other vendors (Novell, Lotus, IBM etc) but > >also deliberately introduced bugs to prevent the victims software > >from running. That is what those fines were for. > >dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint u got to play dirty and fines >well the fines have been for anti monoply suites whr M$ which just *snip* the point i think was that Lotus rested on their laurels instead of pushing forward..

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Dinesh Joshi 26 May '05

26 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > >Yeah it does take quite a lot of bandwidth. But everything runs fast once >you do a custom compile. I had done a kernel compile using ck sources and >multimedia apps ran considerably faster. > >See that's also one of the ideas of having sources available, compile >according to your needs and optimizations :). And you actually end-up >learning quite a lot of how various pieces of software made by different >people fit together. Does Gentoo require only the kernel to be compiled or are all the softwares compiled from source? Regards Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] - Saving Private Rony
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 May '05

26 May '05

On Wednesday 25 May 2005 09:30, Pankaj Dekate wrote: > This is the first time I am hearing that a hardware is developed > for a particular OS. To put it more accurately there is hardware developed keeping a particular os in mind eg. TRON and in the distant past Transputer, Acorn Archimedes and 6809 which fitted the stack based FORTH language and a FORTH os. But nothing prevents other os from being ported to these archs. In the case of pc compatbile hardware there is nothing os specific. It's just that the drivers are not available for non p rop os. > Man if these hardware vendor also provide a driver for their device > ,then this problem wouldn't arise.It is the hackers who write these > drivers either by extending some driver written for some similar > device. Again it's the spec that is more important rather than the driver per se. FLOSS software proliferates in more ways than one can imagine. Having a closed driver blocks filing of niches and is a maintanence nightmare. The life of a closed driver will be at best 2 yrs, before it becomes unusable, taking down a perfectly good piece of hardware with it. In another thread we are on a nostalgia spree. I have a old 486 that cant use a new drive because of the bios. If the bios source was available it could have been easily hacked to use a newer drive. > I didn't have my sound card supported for several years just > because the h/w co didn't want to release their specs.But those > idiots didn't provide the drivers also. > Once the specs came up some one came up with a driver for it and my > device is working fine on it. I have a Creative sound card from 1989. I used it in 2001 under linux as a radio modem. I am sure that it's designers must never have dreamt of such a use. Keeping the specs open results in more markets. But then you need brilliant managers to exploit these niches. Think business models and environments. > >The other options > > are to buy linux compatible hardware. This will increase costs > > which will not be acceptable to the customers when the other > > competitors are willing to do it cheap for them. Rony on the cheap end it's only the internal modem which is not supported. Everything else is. And for the 65536th time do factor in the OS, applications and maintanence before even talking of price. And please dont start a "illegal-is-legal-if-everybody-does-it" arg. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] - Saving Private Rony
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 May '05

26 May '05

On Wednesday 25 May 2005 20:59, Rony Bill wrote: > I hope mandrake 10.1 detects his on > board lan card in his 845 GLVA mobo. He uses cable net and when its > down, he uses dialup. I will post a report in a few days. works with sarge on HIS 845GLVA. Installed one a 2 weeks ago. 8139too is the driver. Get the isp details and network config from the windows machine to save yourself unneccessary hassle. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Eclispe meet
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 May '05

26 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 19:17, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > And about windoze or M$ bashing , i guess the desktop worrld can > learn from it a lot and anatgonism is never gona be helpful windoze > does have some good features thats why so many people use it.... > And like it or not M$ is good at marketing what its got no matter > how crappy. Moreover MS is the company that over the years has made > the least amount of bad business decisions. Going by the fines they have paid (> $3billion) does not look like that at all. It is not even good at marketing (wether M$ has it or not is not even relevant to them), it simply robs other companies of their ideas and then fights in court until the opponent goes bankrupt. In lay mans terms it's called bullying. > So take the good from > M$ and Windoze rather than just bash it... I mean Lotus made > mistakes IBM did .. Lotus did not make mistakes. M$ changed the win APIs and not only did not provide it to other vendors (Novell, Lotus, IBM etc) but also deliberately introduced bugs to prevent the victims software from running. That is what those fines were for. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Fwd: Printfu in India]
by Abhishek Daga 25 May '05

25 May '05

--- Anurag <anurag(a)bsd.miki.eu.org> wrote: > > Using Printfu, you can upload any large pdf at their website, pay some > money and get a binded covered printed manual in a day or two at your > doorstep. Beautiful for those large manuals and tutorials that you keep > downloading and have to read them on screen because they are too large > to print. > > Is a service like printfu something that you would be interested in > using? I would, if the price is right. ;) Are there going to be printers > you know who would be interested in working with prinfu for such work? > The printer can be anywhere in India, but preferably near the metros so > that atleast metro to metro courier prices are reasonable. > Kinkos in the US has a tie up with UPS and they provide a complete print-n-deliver solution. So does NowDocs.com based in san mateo. though i am not sure if they are still in business. but kinkos is. and its not just PDFs. they will print any matter and do all sorts of fancy stuff with it if you desire. Though I am not clear why one should have a problem printing it if they could download it and have the right printer. Also, can take it on a disc to the nearest print center and get it printed on the spot. probably will take lesser time than uploading. maybe I work in a commercial area that has tons of such printers at an arms length, upto a saturation point. There is Fort/Andheri Station/Borivali, to name a few. what would work is if the data or manual is too big to download and instead of uploading it to the printer's site, we could only provide a URL and they do the downloading and printing, then it would be something to consider. these were just my opinions. facts will be posted by the next poster. :) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by Devdas Bhagat 25 May '05

25 May '05

On 24/05/05 12:45 +0530, Amol Hatwar wrote: <snip> > If you (betatesters et al) want Windows to be virus-free like GNU/Linux and > other Unix-ish distros ask Microsoft to implement stuff based on the POSIX > standard. > MS is supposed to be implementing Unix permissions in Win2003. And a usable commandline shell. Devdas Bhagat

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[commercial]: Custom software development: Java application in Linu x
by Sharad Aggarwal 25 May '05

25 May '05

Hi, We are looking for someone who can develop a Java application on Linux platform. The application needs to be interact with a voip usb peripheral device and control the same. Complete command set to control the peripheral and sample code is available. We have a week's time to do the application. Please get in touch if you can help in doing the application on a commercial basis. Regards, Sharad. Sharad Aggarwal A Little World Pvt. Ltd. 403 Alpha Hiranandani Business Park Powai Mumbai 400 076 T +91 22 5697 3888 M +91 98673 64664 F +91 22 5697 3899 email: sharad(a)alittleworld.com Web: www.alittleworld.com Regards, Sharad. Sharad Aggarwal Director PCO NET Limited 403 Alpha Hiranandani Business Park Powai Mumbai 400 076 T +91 22 5697 3888 M +91 98190 46529 F +91 22 5697 3899 email: sharad(a)pconet.net Web: www.pconet.net

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.Net not quite free
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 May '05

25 May '05

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1417 "However, enterprise-class features such as support for multiple processors and fully-featured J2EE servers requires Visual MainWin for J2EE Enterprise Edition, which, according to Mainsoft’s site, has a base price of $5,000 per developer for a two year license." Paying a one time charge is different from seat and time based extortion for a non crippled version, which is what patents and non FLOSS software specialise in. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] - Saving Private Rony
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 May '05

25 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 05:55, Rony Bill wrote: > Technically linux is *the best* but its iterfacing with humans > needs to be simpler. Eg. MTNL has the best technological resources > but their human interface is apalling and causes it to be > unpopular. That comparison is apt when turned on it's head with a minor change. M$ has the most resources but their world interface is apalling and causes it to be unpopular amongst those who know. The resources MTNL garnered by having monopoly status granted by the government. Fits M$ to the T except that they have obtained a monopoly by illegal parctices. And further want to compound the fact by 1) trying to incorporate patented "technology" into standards 2) lobbying for patents 3) Spreading fud using self financed sham studies. 4) Obtaining patents on prior art 5) Illegally usurping technology from small companies 6) Claiming that FLOSS is a destroyer of capitalism and economies 7) Subverting communication standards 9) Failing to adhere to court rulings on protocol disclosures ad nauseum Thus trying to lock out FLOSS by means other than technology or market competence. The op was to draw attention to a possibility of legal action against hardware vendors installing M$ products with known and unplugged security holes not to bash windows users or go thru the flogged to death windows is better than linux. Most Luggers are aware of these issues but some still fail to see the fact that they are active abetters in M$ illegal activity - sort of biting the hand that feeds. > Just stop bashing windows In spite of the above facts? If you dont create sufficient awareness now you could be hauled to court via dmca for disclosing the next vulnerability my friend. Lucky India as yet does not have such a law. Dont wait passively for one to be enacted act now by ditching M$ - you have a more than capable alternative with FLOSS. > or their users. Except on this list - only because they are sufficiently aware of the issues but continue to abet M$. IMO. And for the record the op was not directed to anyone person. rgds jtd

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need revolution os and code movie cd
by Trevor Warren 25 May '05

25 May '05

Morning Luggers, Does someone have the "The Code" and "Revolution OS" movie cds. I have lent my "The Code" movie to a great pal and never got them back. Me offers 2 blanks and a coffee for anyone who can lend me the same pls. Take care and have a great day all. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

For those who still install windos on their client machines and think that worms and viri cause only software on the pc to be damaged. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_22/b3935001_mz001.htm Windose users are actually abetting criminals indirectly. And Installers particularly those on this list are doing so directly by installing the stuff after being fully aware of the problems. And the banks and financial institutions all running windose. We are lucky cause the value of the rupee is 1/47 of the dollar so for the same effort the criminal earns 47 times more targeting US and Eur. rgds jtd

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Micronet ADSL Modem setup
by John Marder 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi! I use FC3 at home and I have taken a Touchtel/Airtel DSL Connection. The trouble is that I want to use my Micronet USB ADSL Broadlink SP3302 Modem in Linux. This modem comes with drivers only for Windows. I checked the manufacturer's website. Though they want their products to work with Linux, they donot support Linux(??). I have also checked the eciadsl Linux driver page. No mention of Micronet's products over there either. This modem connects directly to the USB port and does not go through an Ethernet card. Can you help me use this modem in Linux? What do I need to do? Thanx John

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 13:12, Amol Hatwar wrote: > BTW, I have a 80386 board lying somewhere with a AMD CPU and IIT That should be ITI? > Co-prcessor 4MB Ram. Lemme know if anyone is interested :) U will need an isa hdd/fdd controller with separate cable for head and controller. I have a 1994 (afair) 486 -66 working with 16mb. Used to run RH linux 6.0. strictly no X. I dont have an old 200mb disk. The bios cant recognize a larger drive and the 16bit isa card is too slow for a new 2gb drive. But i should be able to make it whiz with some floppy based linux. Also i remember having to do a low level format on the 10MB drives before partitioning. One method was to run debug and jmp to 0x5c ( afair). This would start a low level format. Also have a massive hard drive with a transparent top which lets u see the inside of the drive, platter, filters, head et al. connectors are oxidised tho. Should keep all the junk running. Should be a hearty laugh 30 yrs from now. rgds jtd

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 25, Issue 47
by Puneet Lakhina 24 May '05

24 May '05

> > And about windoze or M$ bashing , i guess the desktop worrld can > > learn from it a lot and anatgonism is never gona be helpful windoze > > does have some good features thats why so many people use it.... > > And like it or not M$ is good at marketing what its got no matter > > how crappy. Moreover MS is the company that over the years has made > > the least amount of bad business decisions. > > Going by the fines they have paid (> $3billion) does not look like > that at all. It is not even good at marketing (wether M$ has it or > not is not even relevant to them), it simply robs other companies > of their ideas and then fights in court until the opponent goes > bankrupt. In lay mans terms it's called bullying. > > > So take the good from > > M$ and Windoze rather than just bash it... I mean Lotus made > > mistakes IBM did .. > > >Lotus did not make mistakes. M$ changed the win APIs and not only > >did not provide it to other vendors (Novell, Lotus, IBM etc) but > >also deliberately introduced bugs to prevent the victims software > >from running. That is what those fines were for. > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint u got to play dirty and fines well the fines have been for anti monoply suites whr M$ which just reinforces the point that they v got power to do what they like wats 3 billion to microsoft nothin much i would say... and wat hapnd to the bundeled IE case against m$ doesnt look like there is much headway and netscape can go on reinventing itself from borrowed code, it aint doin any good

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 13:09, Amol Hatwar wrote: > > Oh dear. You coud not live without pctools. And sidekick. And > > changing some byte to make the prince of persia invincible or to > > jump to level 10. > > Changing a byte? Wasn't it "makinit" :)? No. I edited some byte using de. One byte decided the runlevel and two others energy. Actually traced it out using Borland turbo debugger. That inspite of being able to reach level 10 in about 30 minutes. I must have been seriously retarded then. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Eclispe meet
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

*snip* >Met too, i also attended the first ILUG Bom meeting and the eclispe guy was >amazing. He said he is an open source Evangelist and then the glorious >question came. But i think we should commend the guys who organised it. I >mean the meting fulfilled its purpose at least for me it got me an insight >into the pluggable eclipse architecture . So now its upon us to explore. And >the second part of the session was real cool esp the QnA session brought out >some rela good qs. All said and done, the meet was worth my time. Now only if I could get Eclipse installed... The main download page has a big bold link for Windows while Linux downloads are hidden behind the link 'Other downloads for 3.0.2.' Are these the people that are pushing open source for 'ON DEMAND' business ? What do I download for RHL 8 the GTK2 zip or the MOTIF zip? The OSDL guys were quite forthcoming about the work that they do. Nice work whoever was behind the scenes.. Gishu

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Eclispe meet
by Puneet Lakhina 24 May '05

24 May '05

>>Hi, >>Is it just me or is that Rony really gets slugged a lot everytime he mentions Windows on this list. >>* I attended my first LUG Meet yesterday. There was a demo on Eclipse from some heads from IBM -"Open Source" is the basis of "ON Demand" business, which made absolutely no sense to me. In the QnA that ensued, someone popped a q asking if their pluggable architect. mimics emacs. The IBM guy apparently did not know his Open source that well and he popped the magic question 'Is emacs open source?' (uproar-jeering-chaos for someone who sure is not coming back for an encore). Linux in India lacks general awareness. Met too, i also attended the first ILUG Bom meeting and the eclispe guy was amazing. He said he is an open source Evangelist and then the glorious question came. But i think we should commend the guys who organised it. I mean the meting fulfilled its purpose at least for me it got me an insight into the pluggable eclipse architecture . So now its upon us to explore. And the second part of the session was real cool esp the QnA session brought out some rela good qs. And about windoze or M$ bashing , i guess the desktop worrld can learn from it a lot and anatgonism is never gona be helpful windoze does have some good features thats why so many people use it.... And like it or not M$ is good at marketing what its got no matter how crappy. Moreover MS is the company that over the years has made the least amount of bad business decisions. So take the good from M$ and Windoze rather than just bash it... I mean Lotus made mistakes IBM did .. ciao, pl

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Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by M.R.Anand 24 May '05

24 May '05

Why is it that we keep bringing up the same old topic of windows vs linux from a user's point of view?? I've programmed for/on windows before (dont flame me for this) and would really like to know how linux compares to M$ on the development front. It would be really usefull if someone could throw some light on - dll, COM, windows api equivalents on GNU/Linux. I doubt there exist a common api (for GUI) since there r different options available for different window managers. But then again x server is common. I really have limited knowledge on this front so i may be totally of the mark here. Also i'm aware about python and java which allow the program to be platform independent, but i'm looking at equivalent to M$ technologies here. Since Linux was not designed ground up as a replacement to windows but infact unix (did i get my facts right?) so there is bound to be some difference in the structure or api or whatever its called (i think its called the programming model...??), thats the difference i'm looking to understand. Anand. PS: "users" never learn untill they lose their precious data, so till then let em keep using M$.

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[Fwd: Printfu in India]
by Anurag 24 May '05

24 May '05

[Cross-Posted Again :-) ] Can someone in Mumbai take this up? People would love to get their PDF downloads printed and delivered at door steps. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 14:22, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: > *snip* > > >Missing a minor detail.M$ has patents on large portions of the > > .Net architecture. They have granted a royalty free in perpetuity > > licence to the C# and CLI portion of the technology only. Other > > portions are licenced on different RAND terms. In short pay for > > commercial use. You are courting disaster, particularly with a > > Company as horrendous as M$. > > AFAIK the CLI is the specification submitted to ECMA. > http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.h >tm The CLR (similar to Java VM) is the implementation of CLI, which > is owned by Microsoft. So (a big hypothesis coming up) if I wanted > to write a new implementation of the CLI, would I be required to > pay anything to MS ? Not clear on this. No. Mono is one such FLOSS project trying to implement the dotnet framework. But even they are cluless about any M$ patents that they might be violating. The general feeling is that Miguel & co. are more likely than not to be in violation. The problem is that reading the patents automatically taints you, thus preventing you from doing anything useful. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by Dinesh Joshi 24 May '05

24 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >And to all the nay-sayers that viruses in Windows exist only because it is >popular, read the fine print. Unix-like operating systems have been around >for decades now. The unix environment and architecture is much older that >Windoze offers. So theoretically, there should be more virii and exploits >in >the GNU/Linux world isn't it? The reason why this doesn't happen is because >of something we call "Architecture". Plus, the source code for Linux kernel and GNU apps have been around for atleast a decade. When you have the source code it's easier to write exploits, virii but it just doesn't seem so with GNU/Linux ;) Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

*snip* >Missing a minor detail.M$ has patents on large portions of the .Net >architecture. They have granted a royalty free in perpetuity licence >to the C# and CLI portion of the technology only. Other portions are >licenced on different RAND terms. In short pay for commercial use. >You are courting disaster, particularly with a Company as horrendous >as M$. AFAIK the CLI is the specification submitted to ECMA. http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm The CLR (similar to Java VM) is the implementation of CLI, which is owned by Microsoft. So (a big hypothesis coming up) if I wanted to write a new implementation of the CLI, would I be required to pay anything to MS ? Not clear on this. Thanks, Gishu

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Mohanram Gudipati 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi, I have an AMD64 with Fedora core 2. It works just fine. I tried a Gentoo install, but I kept having problems with my RAID card. Fedora was painless. Hope this helps. Cheers, Mohan "Laziness is an optimisation protocol" ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> To: "'GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India'" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Sent: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:52:09 +0530 Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers- > > bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Joshi > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:07 PM > > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 > > > > >From: "Richard Chang" <richard(a)hinditron.com> > > > > > >Would like to know which FC3 kernel can we load on the AMD Athlon 64 > > 2800+. > > >Is it FC3-x86_64 ot the FC3-i386 kernel. Anyone who is using the above > > >mentioned processor with LINUX ?. > > > > You'll need to use the x86-64 kernel. > > Or if you have the time and inclination you can try installing > Gentoo from Stage 1 > > Regards, > > ah > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers ------- End of Original Message -------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 12:34, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: Satya <ilugbom(a)thesatya.com> > > Dude, you have some major misconception here. Let me clear it up. > > >It compares much better, as I can write useful production code > > without having to pay someone hundreds of dollars. I do this for > > a living, too. Oh, and the code is usually plain text so you can > > hack with a text editor and don't need an IDE-- though you can > > get those, too. > > You don't need to pay microsoft a penny to write code, compile it > on their .NET platform, sell it, distribute or any kind of > commercial activity with *your* software. Missing a minor detail.M$ has patents on large portions of the .Net architecture. They have granted a royalty free in perpetuity licence to the C# and CLI portion of the technology only. Other portions are licenced on different RAND terms. In short pay for commercial use. You are courting disaster, particularly with a Company as horrendous as M$. One reason for .Net was M$ losing a court case to distribute their mangled version of java. So now they can use the patented portions of .net for tying in customers to their products and services while anybody else wanting to develop a similiar service pays royalty. At the same time they can shout that the technology is free and open which it is not. Btw IS NOT is patented by M$ Do post any pointers negating the above. " Beppe, As one of the inventors on that patent as well as the person heading up the standardization efforts for the CLI, I'd like to explain why I've never felt the two are in conflict. The ECMA process requires that all patents held by member companies that are essential for implementing its standards are available under "reasonable and non-discriminatory (RAND) terms" for the purpose of implementing those Standards. This is the normal condition used in all International Standards organizations, including both ECMA and ISO. But Microsoft (and our co-sponsors, Intel and Hewlett-Packard) went further and have agreed that our patents essential to implementing C# and CLI will be available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis for this purpose. Furthermore, our release of the Rotor source code base with a specific license on its use gives wide use to our patents for a particular (non-commercial) purpose, and as we explicitly state we are open to additional licenses for other purposes. " rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Dinesh Joshi 24 May '05

24 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > >Or if you have the time and inclination you can try installing Gentoo from >Stage 1 > What about the bandwidth? I thought you need to download the source for all apps from their site and compile it. Well, it does compile automatically but still... Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 11:35, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 23 May 2005 10:09 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Sob. The good old days. Funny that todays machines do pretty much > > the same thing a lot slower. Oh we do have better games than > > pacman and > > did you used to play parachute - i remember had to turn off the > turbo mode to play Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido games. Any one remember the first virus to strike our shores. I recollect the one which knocked chars off the monitor but dont recollect the name. This was in 86 or 87. Around the same time I wrote to UCLA for BSD 4.3. $150 for 30 floppies + postage came the reply. I never got around to ordering it tho. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by Abhishek Daga 24 May '05

24 May '05

--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido games. I remember changing the character names in digdug using PCTOOLS. and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i remember getting to 49500+ or something. After that I ended up upgrading to a 286 which made the game too fast. Also, Test Drive worked great on the machine. the ferrari though slightly slower than the mclaren had better handling. there used to be a command called Parkdisk to be used while transporting the hard disks. is there something similar nowadays that will prevent damage to HDDs while transporting?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > games. > > I remember changing the character names in digdug using PCTOOLS. Oh dear. You coud not live without pctools. And sidekick. And changing some byte to make the prince of persia invincible or to jump to level 10. > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > remember getting to 49500+ or something. You must be a verry patient guy. > After that I ended up upgrading to a 286 which made the game too > fast. Also, Test Drive worked great on the machine. the ferrari > though slightly slower than the mclaren had better handling. > > there used to be a command called Parkdisk to be used while > transporting the hard disks. is there something similar nowadays > that will prevent damage to HDDs while transporting?? They autopark now. The head gaps are so tiny that it will screw the disk if it does not park before the disk stops spinning. rgds jtd

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[OT] - Saving Private Rony
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi, Is it just me or is that Rony really gets slugged a lot everytime he mentions Windows on this list. * I attended my first LUG Meet yesterday. There was a demo on Eclipse from some heads from IBM -"Open Source" is the basis of "ON Demand" business, which made absolutely no sense to me. In the QnA that ensued, someone popped a q asking if their pluggable architect. mimics emacs. The IBM guy apparently did not know his Open source that well and he popped the magic question 'Is emacs open source?' (uproar-jeering-chaos for someone who sure is not coming back for an encore). Linux in India lacks general awareness. * The PDF Viewer crashed twice right there in the session. So it's not as if Linux apps don't crash. * My windowsXP boots faster than SUSE 9.1. This could be another area for Linux to improve on for laptop users. * Maybe I'm too stupid to use Linux (or MS turned my brain to mush), but I'd prefer a single installation file that works out of the box rather than zips that go "Segmentation fault" when I try to run the app. It does not matter whether I have Linux source, I wouldn't know how to fix it. This is one area where I feel Windows scores in rakin in the people. * There seems to be too much infighting with distros on this side (drivers released for x version for Distro A.. other distro users make yer own. It's open source. OR Buy Linux compatible hardware.) * Virus-wise I still feel it's because no one's interested as of now + a better base-system than MS. As long as stuff is made by humans, there will always be others who can break in. * Linux scores in the 'under the hood' department but is still yet to reach 'prime time' status. If there's some fine print that I missed, 'LUG Members need to be anti-MS zero-tolerance holier-than-thou fanatics', I'll be glad to step out; just let me know. Repeating a favourite quote 'The only reason that I can see this far is because I'm standing on the shoulders of giants'. Instead of bashing windows left and right, recognize the good aspects and take it to the next level. As a user, I don't care as to what goes on/runs underneath.. as long as it does what it supposed to do. no more no less. Finally to end my tirade, as Rocky Balboa said 'Hit me !' Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 10:51, Richard Chang wrote: > Rony Bill [ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk] wrote: > >Some questions: > > > >Why are viruses and trojans not created for linux? When linux > > overtakes windows in client machines, will there be a possibility > > of viruses and trojans being created for linux too? > > > >If a linux user surfs the net without a firewall and with java > > scripting active in his browser, will his system be prone to > > hacking attempts and key logging/password grabbing? Rubbish. > > > >Lets look at the issue in a practical way rather than randomly > > curse all windows users/installers. The OS is selected by the > > user. The installer has to follow market forces. The last sentence needs to add "into the big black hole" > > I totally agree with Rony. May be in future when Linux will rule > the roost, they may have a million more virii and worms than there > currently are on Windoze. Yeah so in the mean time you can enjoy all that s@#$ available on windows totally gratis. > As there will be many more poeple who can see the code freely, > there will be more experts who can exploit the code. And even more who can fix it. While on windows you dont even need the code to create exploits. That is one great plus for ease of (mis) use i humbly concede. > > And anything popular will have its own sworn enemies. Like Windoze > has. What can prevent M$ to exploit the code of Linux and invest in > maligning Man do you live on Europa (yeah it's habitable). M$ spends cold hard cash funding shills (why dont u try for some) to write fud and case studies to malign GNU/Linux. Some idiots are even convinced to not uninstall M$ crap after reading those. And a few find the time to ACTUALLY defend the pile. HA Ha ha. You made my day. > or crashing Linux like all the Windoze haters do right > now. After all it is free for all. ^ That should be fee for all. Windoze haters crashing windows ?. the crap fails to install on my chinese laptop with american cpu and korean ram and singapore hd and indian carrybag. The crashing happens later. But on my desktop I am in awe of windows parapsccho capabilities - my mere prescence makes it crash. Linux fails miserable to shut itself off in the prescence of linux haters. Once more i humbly admit that this feature is absent in GNU/Linux. rgds jtd

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Yesterday's GLUG meet
by Venkatesh Hariharan 23 May '05

23 May '05

Yesterday's GLUG meet on Eclipse attracted around 40 participants in Mumbai + 5 people from the Nagpur remote center of IIT Bombay's Distance Education Center. Zaheer Tavadi of IBM gave an overview of IBM's interest in open source and Ankur Goel of IBM gave an introduction to Eclipse. This was followed by a pleasant surprise. We had Tom Hanrahan, Engineering Director and Sean Madian, HR and Economic Development Director of Open Source Development Labs, home to Linus Torvalds. Tom and Sean are in India to get inputs and feedback on what role OSDL can play in India. Both the sessions were highly interactive with a great deal of audience interaction. I will be travelling next month so I request one of the GLUG list members to take up the btask of coordinating next month's GLUG meet. Venky

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Which Eclipse download for RHL 8 ?
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 23 May '05

23 May '05

I found the Eclipse IDE was pretty good with built in Refactoring and AutoTest support and I reached http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index.php and there a number of zips for Linux. What should I download for RHL 8? Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 23 May '05

23 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 15:06, Abhishek Daga wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > > > games. > > > > > > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > > > remember getting to 49500+ or something. > > > > You must be a verry patient guy. > > While touching wood, I must say that my epson lx 800 bought in 1990 > is still running strong. ofcourse very minor servicing and repairs > were involved, but insignificantly minor. > > Has anyone an older printer still in service? which model? and have > you spent a lot on it servicing? Citoh 132 col purchased 2nd hand in 1990 was last working in 2000. Havent tried it since. I think mfg date was 1987. No service other than oiling the head shaft. And epson fx1170 1994. Very heavy use. Self service for cleaning stationery punchouts and oiling the head shaft. I also have an Epson laptop (no jokes) - z80 with 64k ram and 320 x 128 lcd and 32k plugin rom. It has serial, parallel, micro printer and cpm + basic in rom. 1985 vintage purchased in akhiabara for $400. Will check if it still works today. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by Abhishek Daga 23 May '05

23 May '05

--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > > games. > > > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > > remember getting to 49500+ or something. > > You must be a verry patient guy. more than patience, i just had too much time on my hands. was a school kid so you can imagine the amount of time one can spare. While touching wood, I must say that my epson lx 800 bought in 1990 is still running strong. ofcourse very minor servicing and repairs were involved, but insignificantly minor. Has anyone an older printer still in service? which model? and have you spent a lot on it servicing? Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by Dinesh Joshi 23 May '05

23 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >Why all this finger-pointing? I am an unhappy Windoze user thanks to some >stupid company project; and I have to put up with the suffering everyday. > >As for the Windows support et al. According to what their ads on TV say, >Windows actually helps "start anything"... but mark my words, it also makes >sure that whatever got started stops working. Don't believe me? Learn some >C >and have a look at the stolen code floating around on the Net. Guys why the perpetual Windoze bashing? I am a Linux user hooked to my Linux system(s) 24x7 but I don't think its right to bash Windoze *all* the time. M$ does lie, cheat and extorts money from the users of "genuine" windoze but cut it some slack! It's after all a fool proof OS which IMHO GNU/Linux will never be. GNU/Linux won't ever reach the "ease" of Windoze because it needs intelligent users :) But there *is* something that GNU/Linux must learn from Windoze that when you're targetting the OS for an office/workplace environment then it must work out of the box. The users must not spend hours hacking the kernel to get something working or go through lengthy compilation process just to get a program going. I am very happy to see that most newer distros have shown significant improvement in this regards. >Would you put diesel in a petrol-driven car? You just can't throw hardware >at GNU/Linux and expect things to work. Before you buy that new gizmo, make >sure you have a look at the hardware compatibility lists. GNU/Linux >delivers >what it promises; if there's something it can't deliver, it doesn't >promise. Yeah, it's just that hardware vendors must make a Windoze driver otherwise their hardware wont survive in the market. Just try using an old scanner with windoze xp and see how much trouble you have getting it to work. I have a scanner which has XP drivers and is supposed to work correctly(according to M$'s website) but it doesn't. I have to yet come across a piece of hardware which Linux promises will work and it doesn't. Atleast with GNU/Linux you may be able to modify a newer driver to get it to work with the old scanner but in windoze there is no hope! >Why complain that Windows allows me to do this, and GNU/Linux doesn't allow >me to do it? GNU/Linux and Windows are different; not clones. Besides that >you'd be just complaining "there's no sauce on my burger". GNU/Linux world >is a self-service world; make your own sauce and pour. Hmm...maybe Gandhi or someone influenced it :) GNU/Linux incorporates the principle of Swawalamban (Self service?) >And JTD, get a life; choose a better subject line next time :P Hehe, good one! Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 23 May '05

23 May '05

On Sunday 22 May 2005 13:32, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Sunday 22 May 2005 9:24 am, Trevor Warren wrote: > > What did you run on this baby?. What were the > > applications one used those days. > 1986 - eiko pc, 4.xx mhz, 256 kb ram, one 360 kp floppy disk, green > monitor and hercules graphics card - used to run wordstar, quattro > pro and borland pascal. Wrote an online billing prog for a pub - > prog and data all on the 360 kb floppy Turbo pascal 6.0 and assembly for tsrs. We used that and some ISA boards to test SMPS, modems, interface to digital meters, grab images from line ccds for optical alignment of fax machines. My first home IBM pc was assembled in 85. I got the mobo from Golden Computer Plaza H.K. Pc XT 20Mb, 512+64K, Hercules Graphics 720 x 348 afair The PC turbo xt was a 8 Mhz 640Kb beast. It was the workhorse for the accounts dept. It ran dbase progs for inventory, accounting and payroll. The 286 16Mhz with a maths coprocessor was for the gearheads - myself and a few mech engineers - running autocad, circuitmaker (an excellent pcb layout package written by another bunch of gearheads in mumbai), pal and epld design packages. Our productivity jumped 100x inspite of the fact that you ran a EPLD compile or a Design rules check overnight. The accounts dept. would get all worked up knowing that the gearheads had a very fast machine, particularly when we would let the consultant who wrote the dbase-clipper stuff to run on our 286. I had "networked" the machines via the serial port - 19600bps - to cross backup files with 30 mtrs of cable. And a few months later 2400bps dialup Tarapur mumbai - with 10 disconnects for a single transfer - still beat the office boy with floppies. Oh the joy of the gearheads, accounts and purchase depts. Sob. The good old days. Funny that todays machines do pretty much the same thing a lot slower. Oh we do have better games than pacman and very nice viruses - "good morning joshi" was a bit boring. rgds jtd

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