30 Oct
2009
30 Oct
'09
7:23 p.m.
Hi,
Ayttm 0.6.1 is out. You can get the sources for the latest release here:
http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/files.php
What is ayttm? Find out here:
http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/
Report bugs:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=77614&atid=550744
Request Features:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=77614&atid=550747
Submit patches:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=77614&atid=550746
Rant about what you want to have by the next release:
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ayttm-users
This release brings in a number of bug fixes along with a few features:
* Fix a number of MSN related crashes
* Personal status messages support for MSN
* Fix a Yahoo authentication bug
* Yahoo File Transfer
* MSN Invisible login preference finally works again
* Fix the "Check new release" button
* Fix date/time bugs in the tool tips
* Notifications in chat windows
* Autotranslate is fixed. Uses Google Translate now
* SMTP and Livejournal should be working again
See the complete Changelog here:
http://ayttm.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ayttm/ayttm;a=blob;f=Chan…
There is a lot more coming up. If you have any ideas you want to
share, do get in touch with us in any of the ways stated above.
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Siddhesh Poyarekar
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31 Oct
31 Oct
5:25 a.m.
On Friday 30 Oct 2009 7:23:21 pm Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
Ayttm 0.6.1 is out. You can get the sources for the
latest release here:
http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/files.php
What is ayttm? Find out here:
http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/
in the .po file I find the word 'P_rofile' - how does one translate this? or is
it a typo? btw, standard practice is to have your i18n stuff in a directory
called locale with the following layout:
say you have german and tamil:
~/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/ayttm.po
~/locale/ta/LC_MESSAGES/ayttm.po
etc.
I also see a lot of words beginning with '_'. Is this meant to happen?
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regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
8:51 a.m.
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
in the .po file I find the word 'P_rofile' -
how does one translate this? or is
it a typo?
_ means shortcut key. for P_rofile, Alt+r will be key for that
menu/item. Translator will translate it as પ્રોફાઈલ (_r). However,
some efforts like translating shortcut in l10n has started but I'm
unsure about it!
btw, standard practice is to have your i18n stuff in a
directory
called locale with the following layout:
say you have german and tamil:
~/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/ayttm.po
~/locale/ta/LC_MESSAGES/ayttm.po
Yes, this is correct.
I also see a lot of words beginning with '_'.
Is this meant to happen?
Same as 1st explanation when first character is used for shortcut.
Example: _File.
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9:04 a.m.
On Saturday 31 Oct 2009 8:51:17 am Kartik Mistry wrote:
thanks - that cleared some doubts. But I think the whole .po file should be
manually reviewed. For example one string offered for translation is:
<font color=xyz>
imagine what would happen if someone translated 'color'.
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regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
I also see a
lot of words beginning with '_'. Is this meant to happen?
Same as 1st explanation when first character is used for shortcut.
Example: _File.
11:45 a.m.
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
On Saturday 31 Oct 2009 8:51:17 am Kartik Mistry
wrote:
thanks - that cleared some doubts. But I think the whole .po file should be
manually reviewed. For example one string offered for translation is:
<font color=xyz>
imagine what would happen if someone translated 'color'.
Strings that should not be translated can be appropriately marked in
the file. This practice prevents stuff like - String, Float etc from
being translated.
--
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/>
Sent from Pune, MH, India
I also
see a lot of words beginning with '_'. Is this meant to happen?
Same as 1st explanation when first character is used for shortcut.
Example: _File.
11:55 a.m.
On Saturday 31 Oct 2009 11:45:00 am sankarshan wrote:
that is what I mean by manual review of the file. There are strings there that
should not be translated - also strings that have been broken up and hence are
untranslatable as the word order differs in Indian languages.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
thanks - that
cleared some doubts. But I think the whole .po file should
be manually reviewed. For example one string offered for translation is:
<font color=xyz>
imagine what would happen if someone translated 'color'.
Strings that should not be translated can be appropriately marked in
the file. This practice prevents stuff like - String, Float etc from
being translated.
12:05 p.m.
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
that is what I mean by manual review of the file.
There are strings there that
should not be translated - also strings that have been broken up and hence are
untranslatable as the word order differs in Indian languages.
I apologize for the somewhat cryptic previous reply. Developers, when
they are generating the .pot file, have the option of doing such
marking. Doing a manual review, although feasible, becomes cumbersome
with each release and, increase in number of strings for the file etc.
In a similar manner, if certain terms are Trademarks etc, they can
also be mentioned as a comment which makes the process of translation
easy. So, even if someone does a rough cut translation via automated
tools and, then decides to polish it up, the comments help a lot.
--
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/>
Sent from Pune, MH, India
12:17 p.m.
On Saturday 31 Oct 2009 12:05:30 pm sankarshan wrote:
actually most Indian developers add i18n later, very few i18n their code by
default. When 'bolting' i18n into their code, errors creep in which are only
noticed by the translator. Once the coders get into the habit, then these
problems will not occur. In this case, a manual audit by someone familiar with
the code base is needed. We have a lot of duplicate strings: 'icq error', and
'ICQ error' for example. As well as the things I pointed out before. And I
notice a hell of a lot of '<br>'s at the end of strings. It is a real pain
to
change the language and type those out. Poedit barfs if they are not included.
<br> within a string is acceptable I suppose, but at the end of a string?
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon(a)au-kbc.org>
wrote:
that is what I
mean by manual review of the file. There are strings there
that should not be translated - also strings that have been broken up and
hence are untranslatable as the word order differs in Indian languages.
I apologize for the somewhat cryptic previous reply. Developers, when
they are generating the .pot file, have the option of doing such
marking. Doing a manual review, although feasible, becomes cumbersome
with each release and, increase in number of strings for the file etc.
In a similar manner, if certain terms are Trademarks etc, they can
also be mentioned as a comment which makes the process of translation
easy. So, even if someone does a rough cut translation via automated
tools and, then decides to polish it up, the comments help a lot.
12:59 p.m.
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
[snip]
'ICQ error' for example. As well as the things
I pointed out before. And I
notice a hell of a lot of '<br>'s at the end of strings. It is a real pain
to
change the language and type those out. Poedit barfs if they are not included.
<br> within a string is acceptable I suppose, but at the end of a string?
You can copy the source english string across (there are shortcuts
allowing that to happen in KBabel/lokalize) and, then replace the
english within <br> with your local language translation. For me, that
works out faster than switching inputs/languages to type the tags.
--
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/>
Sent from Pune, MH, India
1:03 p.m.
On Saturday 31 Oct 2009 12:59:42 pm sankarshan wrote:
I tried localize, but could not find where to switch off automatic spellcheck -
with automatic spellcheck, it is impossible to see what one is typing in
indic. Poedit is cool - does spellcheck on english but not on indic. But you
need ctrl-C and ctrl-V to cut and paste - that only works if the keyboard is
english. But my point is simply this: why are <br>s at the end of strings put
in the .po file? They should not be there.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
'ICQ
error' for example. As well as the things I pointed out before. And
I notice a hell of a lot of '<br>'s at the end of strings. It is a real
pain to change the language and type those out. Poedit barfs if they are
not included. <br> within a string is acceptable I suppose, but at the
end of a string?
You can copy the source english string across (there are shortcuts
allowing that to happen in KBabel/lokalize) and, then replace the
english within <br> with your local language translation. For me, that
works out faster than switching inputs/languages to type the tags.
16 Nov
16 Nov
1:23 p.m.
2009/10/30 Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org>rg>:
actually most Indian developers add i18n later, very
few i18n their code by
default. When 'bolting' i18n into their code, errors creep in which are only
noticed by the translator. Once the coders get into the habit, then these
FWIW, i18n was added into Everybuddy about 3 years after it was first
developed and Ayttm inherited that code. The code then moved from
developer to developer, not all of whom understand everything (or
anything) about i18n. For the most part the project has always had
1-1.5 developers working on it unlike some larger projects that have
6-8 full time developers and tens of part time contributors. Given
this, a manual review has always been impossible. One just takes what
one gets and hopes someone sends in a patch or explains the problems
clearly.
17 Nov
17 Nov
7:42 a.m.
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 1:23:55 pm Philip Tellis wrote:
I understand the constraints you are working under - but my own mantra is that
a coder who does not i18n'ise his code while he is writing it is unfit to write
code. (this has been true for the last 5-6 years at least). Yet if I took a
poll on this list - or on the Chennai LUG list where they claim to be more
passionate about language, I would warrant that very few coders would put
their hands up (if any at all). That said I appreciate the huge amount of
headache adding i18n to an older app - I have done it a couple of times, and
would hate to do it again.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
actually most
Indian developers add i18n later, very few i18n their code
by default. When 'bolting' i18n into their code, errors creep in which
are only noticed by the translator. Once the coders get into the habit,
then these
FWIW, i18n was added into Everybuddy about 3 years after it was first
developed and Ayttm inherited that code. The code then moved from
developer to developer, not all of whom understand everything (or
anything) about i18n. For the most part the project has always had
1-1.5 developers working on it unlike some larger projects that have
6-8 full time developers and tens of part time contributors. Given
this, a manual review has always been impossible. One just takes what
one gets and hopes someone sends in a patch or explains the problems
clearly.
31 Oct
31 Oct
5:35 a.m.
On Friday 30 Oct 2009 7:23:21 pm Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
Ayttm 0.6.1 is out. You can get the sources for the
latest release here:
http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/files.php
What is ayttm? Find out here:
http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/
what is 'Aycryption - status' is that meant to be Encryption - status?
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regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
8:47 a.m.
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
what is 'Aycryption - status' is that meant to
be Encryption - status?
"Aycryption" is "Ayttm Encryption", the
name of a module. It's like "Torvalds Unix" and "Tux".
From: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=229928
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Debian GNU/Linux Developer | Identica: @kartikm
Blogs: {ftbfs, kartikm}.wordpress.com
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