Linuxers August 2004

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[Commercial] Linux Device Driver Course
by Concepts 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hello Everybody, We are starting a new batch of �Linux Device Drivers & kernel Programming � from 5th Sep. 2004. The course provides substantial practice with the key steps in developing Linux device drivers. At the end of the course, a group of students will be given a problem statement for the project. This project is aimed at making you proficient at writing Linux device drivers and solving real world problem. Syllabus is available at http://www.conceptsinc.s5.com/LDDCourse.htm Trainer Details: The course will be conducted by a hard-core systems developer with experience of developing WinFS file systems for Linux. He has a sound understanding of Linux Kernel Internals and currently working on OGFS distributed file system. Starting Date & Timings: 5th Sep. 2004 Weekend batch Approximate Duration: 2 mths excluding project. Know more about us from existing students! Directly talk to students of the current batch�. For more details/queries call on 9890454586 Or mail us at conceptsinc(a)yahoo.com. Concepts. Learn From Engineers / Industry Professionals. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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rootTelnet limit in Fedora 2
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hi I installed FC2 on my PC and added "pts/0, pts/1" into the file /etc/securetty. I also changed disable=Yes option to disable=No in /etc/xinetd.d/telnet. It will let me login as "root" remotely upto 2 sessions. I discovered that the 1st root login as pts/0. After I logout this session, I relogin as root and it is pts/1 session. After the 2nd time login as root remotely, I can't login as root remotely. I also ensured the closed session by typing "last" on command prompt it shows all telnet session are already closed. I can login remotely with other users name. But terminal session keeps on increasing by 1 (i.e pts/3, pts/4, pts/5 etc.) and will not be reset to pts/0 or pts/1 except reboot the system. Does anyone face on this problem before? Regards, Bilal Ahmed Mazhar

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YABS
by Shreyas Phadnis 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated,"If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics: 1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day. 2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car. 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this. 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine. 5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only five percent of the roads. 6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" Warning light. 7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying. 8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna. 9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again, because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car. 10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to stop the car.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Now I have 10 compiled lesson for you
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hum..... A flame in response to a flame ! Start of a flame war I hope !!! And yes, I know it is top-posted, but it makes sense top-posted in this case. Regards saswata quasi <quasiabhi(a)softhome.net> wrote: __________ >On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Anand Sharma spake thusly: > >> >> Dear Mr. Joshi, >> >> What are you trying to demonstrate by compiling such questions; it >> seems you dont like Newbies though you was also a Newbie once >> upon a time. Such attitude may give bad impression to the students >> and users who are new to GNU/linux or planning to migrate from other >> technology to Free Software. GLUGs mailing list is formed with >> the aim to promote GNU/Linux and to help Newbies but not to make fun >> of Newbies. > >I think making fun of the Newbie was one of the unstated goals. That >is why I made fun of myself when I first joined. > >If you feel hurt, go someplace and stop feeling hurt. Then grow up a >bit. Then when you feel mature 'nuff to start to wanna talk about >GNU/Linux, come here. You'll be welcome. > > >-- >quasi > >Utopia Unlimited! > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Debian X woes.
by lists＠pavri.net 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

I have installed debian base systemand then installed the x-windows-system and fluxbox packages online. The problem is that startx is not present on the system. After running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, the xserver starts up but crashes almost immediately. There are no obviuos errors in /var/log/Xfree.log. Where should I look for some clues ? I really would like to get debian working on this machine. regards, Sharukh. I have spent almost the whole of sunday on this andam really at the end of my tether. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/

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[OT] Peace
by Nikhil Joshi 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

Hi! I think that the thread which I started was taken in completely wrong vein. I was trying to rationalize the prevalence of the other operating system in the Curriculum. I may have been judgmental and prejudiced. Nobody is perfect. The views did not reflect my love for Linux. Peace. -- My life needs a rewind/erase button. -- Calvin

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Now I have 10 compiled lesson for you
by Anand Sharma 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

> ATTACHMENT part 3.10 message/rfc822 > From: Nikhil Joshi <nikhil_joshi(a)gmx.net> > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never ask > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:57:20 +0530 (IST) > To: glug <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Hi! > > I have compiled a list of TOP 10 questions Newbies should NEVER ask > on a > glug list. Additions welcome ;) > > 1. Who is RMS ?? And who is ESR ??? Why do these people have weird > names? > > 2. OK I've got the Linux CD's. But heck, I can't find any setup.exe > on it. > > 3. Where can I find CD-key for Linux?? > > 4. Thank God Bill Gates invented email. How can I configure hotmail > in > kmail, evolution ? > > 5. Where can I get Outlook Express,Office 2000 for Linux? > > 6. You mean there is no VB for Linux? How do people write software > then ?? > > 7. Yuck, what a stupid name for a programming language.. Python :( > What > they will come up with next? Anaconda ?? > > 8. I use Incredimail, Outlook. What the hell is top posting > everyone > here is paranoid about ?? > > 9. Does anyone have keygen/crack for Opera,vmware ?? > > 10. I like Windows XP. Well KDE and XP have no comparison man. > Right? > --------------------------------------- Dear Mr. Joshi, What are you trying to demonstrate by compiling such questions; it seems you don�t like Newbies though you was also a Newbie once upon a time. Such attitude may give bad impression to the students and users who are new to GNU/linux or planning to migrate from other technology to Free Software. GLUG�s mailing list is formed with the aim to promote GNU/Linux and to help Newbies but not to make fun of Newbies. Now I have 10 compiled lessons for you 1. You don�t seem to be a true GNU/Linux Professional, 2. You are highly inspired by Proprietary companies like M$ etc. 3. You must be very selfish. (you forgot you was also a Newbie) 4. GLUG bombay was started with couple of member today it has near about 1000 members (Its all because of Newbies not because of you) 5. Do you think you are a technology master? (You are a peanuts comparing to Newbies, they just need a platform which for you a topic of fun) 6. You are a shame for your teachers, they never made joke for your questions whenever you asked. 7. GLUG list doesn�t require people like you, who believe in criticize rather helping. (Seriously tell me how many newbies you helped till today, who was the fool asked a question to a fool) 8. Next time don�t try to show your intelligence on GLUG. Find some other place to perform such important task. 9. Newbies are the future of GNU/Linux and GLUG list so don�t so don�t mess with them. 10. You should say sorry to all Newbies who are members with GLUG list for your abusing mail. ===== ================================================== ( ) \\/^^\// Anand Sharma /|oo \ anand(a)member.fsf.org (_| /_) 9821843567 `@/ ================================================== FSF (Free Software Foundation) mission to preserve, protect and promote the freedom to use, study,copy, modify and redistribute computer software, and to defend the rights of Free Software users. ================================================= _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never ask
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

exactly . >3-4 years ago when I started using Linux, I hoped I will see widespread >use of Linux in Desktop environment, but alas, Linux has still remained in >the domain of enthusiasts.The present if is indicative of future, I >beleive Linux will continue to dominate the Server environment and Windows >the Desktop environment. Microsoft doesn't agree with your thinking. They have already accepted that they may no longer control desktop. So dotnet stresses browser centric software. They want to control servers, database and webservers and let users access the software with what ever browsers they want. They have already started moves to get larger share of server market, at cost of unix, but lots of linux servers have also moved to windows. Ofcourse, the spate of security holes and virus has prompted return flow back to linux for many and also earned fresh converts. Regards saswata > >-- > Why do we drink cow's milk? Who was the first guy who first looked at a cow >and said "I think I'll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze >'em!"? -- Calvin > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never
by Anand Sharma 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

> ATTACHMENT part 3.6 message/rfc822 > From: Nikhil Joshi <nikhil_joshi(a)gmx.net> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Top 10 questions Newbies should never > ask > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:42:46 +0530 (IST) > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" > <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > > > Well, if you remove the enforced Windows requirements from > courses, then > > *some* people may be motivated to move to Linux/BSD/Unix. > > > > As per my personal experience, development on Linux is far more > tougher > than in Windows. I recently worked on a live mini-ERP project and I > was > quite fascinated by the ease of development provided by Visual > Basic. > It was the first time I was working on VB and before I knew I was > writing > VB modules! Many of Open Source developers despise VB just because > it is > a Microsoft product.But I still feel that in real world situations > where > Managers are paranoid about ROI ( Return Of Investment ) and expect > > software to be delivered as fast as possible; Visual Studio comes > to the > rescue. Also given the emergence of .NET technology I beleive > Visual > Studio is going to be a dominant development environment. J2EE I > feel is > certainly going to face some competition. > Given this scenario I feel the people who design the curriculum are > > obliged to include more of Windows content than Linux > > > > > > Respect? Most of the software developers are in it for the money, > not > > respect. And money comes to those who can support Windows and > develop > > for it faster than those who develop for Linux (state of the > market). > > > > > exactly . > 3-4 years ago when I started using Linux, I hoped I will see > widespread > use of Linux in Desktop environment, but alas, Linux has still > remained in > the domain of enthusiasts.The present if is indicative of future, I > > beleive Linux will continue to dominate the Server environment and > Windows > the Desktop environment. > What nonsense you are talking about using VB & .NET makes ease of development. Man you are still in a tinny pond, come out of it and see the world where its moving. Today easiest, fastest, and of course cost effective method is GNU/Linux and free software. I have many examples which you may not even dream of possible only with GNU/Linux & free software. ===== ================================================== ( ) \\/^^\// Anand Sharma /|oo \ anand(a)member.fsf.org (_| /_) 9821843567 `@/ ================================================== FSF (Free Software Foundation) mission to preserve, protect and promote the freedom to use, study,copy, modify and redistribute computer software, and to defend the rights of Free Software users. ================================================= _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

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Admin: OC/QC filtering
by quasi 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

Hey grouchy old man, If it is possible, can we block emails which have a beyond-one-limit Original/Quoted ratio ? I have seen mails which have 3-5 lines of original content and literally 2-6 /levels/ of irrelevant quoted contend. -- quasi Utopia Unlimited!

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